February 24th, 2014

WATCH: Harman Refuses to Say PIE Affiliation was a Mistake

Well Harriet Harman’s clear-the-air, kill the story interview with Newsnight went well then. Time and time again Laura Kuenssberg asked Harman if she would say that the National Council of Civil Liberites’ decision to affiliate with the Paedophile Information Exchange was a mistake. Time and time again Harman, almost inexplicably, refused. Guaranteeing the story will keep going for a while at least…


  1. 1
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    So presumably Harpic would have been OK if a group had joined that wanted to legalise r@pe?

  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    Why doesn’t she sue?

  3. 3
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    I said Harpic would choose Newsnight, it was a soft interview by a woman who is known to have left wing sympathies.

    Why didn’t Harpic do a live interview with journalists from the Mail present?

  4. 4
    Silence isn't an option says:

    Were can one find a list of all those other groups affiliated to NCCL at the time?

  5. 5
    Beeboid says:

    We will shut down this story tomorrow

  6. 6
    Mr Ned says:

    Because the allegations are 100% true and supported by detailed documentation and she knows it.

  7. 7
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Just look at the Labour Party.

  8. 8
    Mr Ned says:

    Try a thing called the internet.

  9. 9
    Dave will be laughing says:

  10. 10
    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    Scum, get the fuck out of politics you mad nonce supporter.

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    What would Mrs Bone say? says:

  12. 12
    Dave has his revenge served cold says:

  13. 13
    Maimed Cadger says:

    Unless some one else has been watching… Child Porn…

  14. 14
    whippet says:

    DM headline for tomorrow:

    BBC paper review ignores the evidence of the draft legislation lowering age of consent and moves swiftly on.

  15. 15
    Owen Jones says:

    Guilty as fuck

  16. 16
    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    Her uncle had a hardon for Myra Hindley as well, madness runs in the family it seems.

  17. 17
    Anonymous says:

    Keep in mind that in the 1970’s a substantial portion of the population would have regarded homosexuality as a perversion. From that standpoint why would the same human rights organisations that promoted gay rights not also support the rights of other ‘perverts’. That equivalence does not exist today in the public mind, but it did back then.

    I suspect that the changing moral landscape is now taking its toll of some who when young were rashly ideological about human rights and are now paying the price.

  18. 18
    cheche says:

    I wonder if Jim will fix it for her

  19. 19
    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    Hattie Hattie Hattie… best form of defence is attack? Attack the Daily Mail? hahahahahaha :)

  20. 20
    Anonymous says:

    “Keep in mind that in the 1970′s a substantial portion of the population would have regarded homosexuality as a perversion.”

    Still is a pervertion….

  21. 21
    RomaBob.... working hard for you! says:

    ‘….rashly ideological about human rights and are now paying the price.’

    Hopefully :)

  22. 22
    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    Come on Ed do the right thing. There’s no comeback from this for them, cut the dead weight out of the party don’t be another sad act like Gordon Brown, look cool to the public like first term Tony Blair.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    So the BBC only take up this story to allow Labour to try to rebutt it. They didn’t mention it when the story first broke of course. The usual bias we have all come to expect.

    Harman and Hewitt have been very lucky in fact with this, that due to Labour’s media friends, that this didn’t break whilst they were or before they were in the the previous government.

    This has hit at the end of their careers, when really, they should never have been allowed near the upper end of government.

    And I suspect that because the main culprits in this are women, that this was ignored for so long. Can’t imagine a male politician could have swept this under the carpet for so long (Dromey is small fry and new to parliament).

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    moderation in all things, even cannabilism says:

    harriet can’t say that baby love is a crime because harriet doesn’t know what it is to be alive.

  26. 26
    Politically correct labour councillors says:

    It wasn’t soft though, was it?
    Hattie got a bit of Paxoing.

  27. 27
    Astounded of Lowestoft says:

    Odd to see Zoe Williams on Newsnight wearing her Telegraph hat. She talks a lot more sense wearing that than when she puts on the Guardian cap. Must admit I never realised that she was capable of sane reasonable debate.

  28. 28
    Ever-loving Priapus says:

    Fuck the fraud for now. That can be dealt with in due course. We are talking here of the deputy leader of the Labour party effectively supporting a noncing group.

  29. 29
    GRewq says:

    Behind their paywall. What’s he done?

  30. 30
    Myers Cough says:

    The moral equivalent of a Foreign Minister shutting down a public enquiry into same.

  31. 31
    Ever-loving Priapus says:

    Dromey is a woman. Let’s be honest here.

  32. 32
    My Question says:

    So why wasn’t she asked why she thinks children as young as 10 should be allowed to be fucked by anyone at all?

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  34. 34
    Robbo says:

    What the actual fuck is wrong with these people? She’s playing the man and not the ball by attacking the Daily Mail…. or in this case the boy

  35. 35
    owen jimjams says:


  36. 36
    Reader says:

    Oooooh look over there.

    No, I don’t want to read a stoty behind a paywall. Piss off.

  37. 37
    Paxo says:

    Not really. She wasn’t asked why she thinks the age of consent should be 10.

  38. 38
    David Dimbelboid says:

    Last week on Question Time the Reeves clone said “there have never been all women shortlists in the labour party”

    Surprised Guido didn’t pick up on it.

  39. 39
    Bye Harriet says:

    Train wreck of an interview. Her career is hanging by a thread at this point. If anything else comes out, she’s gone and Miliband is wounded for backing her.

  40. 40
    Telegraph and Mail I reckon says:

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    Ippikin says:

    Does this perhaps go some way to explain Mr. Harman’s apparent love of all things big, black and cylindrical?

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    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    It’s because of her *cough* r o y a l *cough* family connections, same as how long it took nonce Savile and nonce Harris OBE’s to come out. It’s all damaging to the very top of this countries food chain via association with these freaks.

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    Ippikin says:

    Bonios for all the dogs!

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    Ippikin says:

    Soft interview or not, Harman managed to make a complete arse of herself.

  46. 46
    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    * nonce Savile and nonce harris OBE’s allegations to come out

  47. 47
    Bye Harriet says:

    Antonio Gramsci, the father of the modern activist left, taught that homosexuality and paedophilia should be encouraged to break down society’s morals. The left tried to normalise both not out of sympathy but for political reasons. They happened to far more success with one than the other because one is defensible on the grounds of liberty for consenting adults, while the other is clearly not.

  48. 48
    Ippikin says:

    Makes you wonder who is dishing the dirt!

  49. 49
    Only chavs shop at Tesco says:

    Along with hypocrisy over her wealth and upper middle class family background, her posing as a woman of the people, her failure to accept criticism for a criminal (motoring) offence and the fact that she’s as thick as Eric Pickles’ neck! She’s living, breathing proof that brains are not needed to pass solicitors’ exams.

  50. 50
    Táxpáyér says:

    Because the Express has been courting them for ages.

  51. 51
    Jack Dromey says:

    How can anyone think I could support perversion?


  52. 52
    A Right Fucking Bastard says:


    She said “PIE”.

    That’s the give-away.

    Why use that acronym if she knew nowt?

    And that “there were lots of loose affiliates of whom we knew nothing apart from the fact they gave us some money” is bollocks too.

    They knew.

    She knew.

  53. 53
    DtP says:

    Cheers Guido. That was the freakiest thing – ‘Tory women problem, yeah’ …..

  54. 54
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Harriet need a friend to help her out Where’s Sally ***innocent face***

  55. 55
    Táxpáyér says:

    Should we not rename her as HarmBoy?

  56. 56
    Ippikin says:

    No Ed, hang on in there boy (and I say boy deliberately) stick by all three of them.
    I almost pissed myself with pleasure to hear you on College Green this afternoon. Your staunch defence of the indefensible is a joy to behold.

  57. 57
    Ippikin says:

    Are you referring to Mrs. Harman oerchance?

  58. 58
    Táxpáyér says:

    There’s pictures too. Masses of stuff online. Some of it looked fantasy, but now I think “it might be true and their in shit up to their vertex-cranium

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    moderation in all things, even cannabilism says:

    I say keep going after these bints – why can’t they distance themselves from these paedo’s? No man could launch their lame defense for the stuff they are associated with- We are supposed to give them a let because they are socialists, “who care for the pipple.” Ftsacnts.

  60. 60
    Ippikin says:

    Surely that can’t mean what I think it does – and him being so short.

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    Just a thought says:

    Interesting that there is a current government investigation into the possibility that the Labour government of the late 70’s, may have directed public money towards PIE!!! Perhaps certain names may get linked to this as lobbying for this?

  62. 62
    Cost-of-Labour-crisis says:


  63. 63
    Ippikin says:

    Dealing with the ‘cast off green leather and Speakers Whiskey’ of course . .

  64. 64
    Roger Dewhurst says:

    What a poisonous creature

  65. 65
    Podiceps says:

    The dead weight in the party includes Ed. It takes rare humility to sack yourself because you are no good.

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    Keep the Faith says:

    Rather stupidly in her Newsnight interview Harman equivocated over whether or not it was a mistake for NCCL to have PIE as an affiliated group. She was asked time and again and refused to say it was. Why? Because to admit it was a mistake would give credence to the whole of the Daily Mail campaign of the last few days. No-one can seriously believe Ms Harman in any way supported the aims/aspirations of PIE – even if she actually fully understood what these vile people actually did with children. However, many people at the time who received their literature WERE completely clear about PIE’s aims, one only had to read Private Eye to see what they were about. The wonder is WHY Harman & Co were backwards in condemning PIE, and the truth has to be that PIE cleverly attached itself to the human rights of gay men – and if you criticised PIE members, it was could be construed as attacking homosexuals. Harman & Co really need to be more frank about their inability to do anything about PIE. If they had evidence that they had tried to actively have PIE thrown out of NCCL – and there was a papertrail that support their actions – it would be useful to see it. The fact is that this little troupe at NCCL were ‘right-on’ lefties seeking to make their way, eventually, in the world of Labour politics and they were not about stoking -up any fires of criticism that might backfire on them individually. One ought not to be surprised that Harman was politically ambitious – her uncle was a very well known Labour Peer. Lord Longford. Whoever is advising Harman on her PR is going the wrong way about it. The big question is why the Mail is going overboard on the story? Is it sitting on something ‘hot’ – waiting to launch a nuclear missile? Don’t bet against it.

  67. 67
    Ever-loving Priapus says:

    That’s the one! The woman with the bald head.

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    Ever-loving Priapus says:


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    Lard Pressclott of Beams, Bellies, Banjos, Bulimia, two bog seats, two Jags & Shags. says:

    Who ate all the PIEs ?

    Who would have thunk that Harridan and Jacqueline had ?

  70. 70
    Anonymous says:

    Squirm Bitch!

  71. 71
    Podiceps says:

    It has been courting them since long before UKIP existed. I well remember its jubilation when De Gaulle refused to let us into the vile organisation in 1963.

  72. 72
    Harridan Harmanhater says:

    Ed Balls told me to blink a lot and that that is a sign of probity and honesty.

  73. 73
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    It’s about time we had all women shortlists for the Trades Union leaders.

    Vile Trades Union dinosaurs like McCluskey,Crow and Serwotka should step down in favour of women elected on an all women shortlist.

    Or is it do as i say and not as i do for Labour’s paymasters!

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    Silence isn't an option says:

    Miliband is toast if he has that vile creature sitting alongside him at PMQs this week.

  75. 75
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    Is this a new thread, dear?

  76. 76
    Ever-loving Priapus says:

    And why now, of all times, I wonder?

    Nope. Can’t think of anything…

  77. 77
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Not really, Elsie. Just let Steve type the bollocks I pay him to type.

  78. 78
    Ever-loving Priapus says:

    Didn’t you see those NCCL photocoPIEs?

  79. 79
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    It’s not funny, clever or interesting, though, dear.

  80. 80
    Guido Fawkes says:

    You’re telling ME? It gives him a daily ‘project.’

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    Nat King C​​о​l​e Pоrter says:

    They are all just mouthPIEces.

  82. 82
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    It’s drivel, dear. Can the man not find gainful employment?

  83. 83
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    It’s all drivél, dear. Can the man not find gainful employment?

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    Guido Fawkes says:

    Unfortunately, no. I’m stuck with the moron.

  85. 85
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Drivél ‘R’ us, if you like. Why do we need to go to character map to spell ‘drivél’, I wonder?

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    Scouse View says:

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    whippet says:

    Could you be more specific? ‘Vile creature’ describes most of the shadow cabinet.

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    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    Maybe it’s because the ‘moron’ feels insecure about the drivél he writes, dear.

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    Precisely says:

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    Podiceps says:

    If she is one of the good ones, God save us from the bad ones.

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    Guido Fawkes says:

    Probably. He feels it’s his right to post reams of shite all over my blog and moderate anything that unfloats his boat, Elsie.
    It’s a hangover from the Compuserve era when people gave a shit about these matters.

  92. 92
    Daily Mail reader says:

    Harpee needs a rope and a lampost.

  93. 93
    Pies Morgan says:

    Got some spare Tarmac left over, love. Do you want your dríve resurfaced?

  94. 94
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    That was fifteen years ago, dear.

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    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    Funny how nothing is said about the guardian making the same reports or “smears”.

    Must be strange when your worldview is completely delusional in comparison to reality.

  96. 96
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Indeed, Elsie. Some people never move on, though.

  97. 97
    Gerry McCunt says:

    I hope the Daily Mail doesn’t get too comfortable exposing crimes against children.

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    Cazual Observer 8 says:

    Harriet is trying to make the claim that this is a politically motivated attack by the Mail.

    That is simply incredible.

    Something has upset the Mail, and it must be something serious.

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    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated? says:

    But will she or is she scared of the evidence people can read with their own eyes coming out, can’t exacatly pull the smear card on a judge when your siggy is on PIE documentation.

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    Tim Yeo-yo says:

    FFS, this little girl gives Owen jones a run for his money in the mongtard stakes.

  101. 101
    P. Dant says:

    Up a bit late aren’t you? Make sure at school tomorrow, that your English teacher tells you when to use absolute and when to use absolutely.

  102. 102
    Cazual Observer 8 says:

    Jasmin has a lot to learn and I think she will regret that tweet.

  103. 103
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    It’s so, fucking, sad, dear.

  104. 104
    Hugh Guv says:

    No doubt a future Murkeyside MP.

  105. 105
    Guido Fawkes says:

    Indeed. It gives him a ‘life’, though.

  106. 106
    Pies Morgan says:

    Give over! Me and Blowing Whistles are the new moderators here. £2.50 an hour and free beer up to one pint a day. I’m drinking the pint today.

  107. 107
    Corporal Jones says:

    They don’t like it up ‘em, sir, do they? They don’t like it up ‘em.

    Harman & co are getting the just the same trial by media as Jimmy Saville, Roache, Travis, Starr and all the others.

    When it’s a personality, allegations become “facts”. When it’s a politician, allegations are “political smears”.

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    PD says:

    There is more to come.

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    Guido Fawkes says:

    Piss off my blog, Stevie. You’re not quite at retirement age yet so get off your fat arse and find a real job, you workshy, gum-chewing, spazmo.
    Me and Elsie can Google the facts from now on, can’t we Else?

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    Hattie says:

    I see nothing incredible about it. The best form of defence is attack.

  111. 111
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    Well, yes. I do spend Tuesdays and Fridays ironing, dear.

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    C.O.Jones says:

    That remains unresolved and still needs to be answered. Not brushed under the carpet but answered fully. Who authorised payment and when.

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    Handypara says:

    “ideological about human rights”? But fuck the kids and their rights!

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    WorthSayingAgain says:

    Yes, Keep the Faith, Harman did advocate on behalf of PIE. Take a look at the documents now in the public domain. One paper she authored advocates legalising photographs of children as young as 14 in sexual situations.

    Harman is pro-pedophilia. Get used to it.

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    Guido Fawkes says:

    Oh, fuck this shite. I’m hitting the hay, ffs. Do your aubergine and gold trick one more time, Else. Thanks.

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    Acoustic Village says:

    The NCLL sounds a strange organisation. Anyone could join for a tenner? First off, that is a lie. The NCCL would not allow racist groups to join, or groups advocating capital punishment, or groups advocating that homosexuals be jailed.

    The NCCL actively promoted the inclusion of any group that was seen to be “progressive” and “libertarian”, and it took their money gratefully, no questions asked.

    There must have been some perceived advantage to be had by being able to say that you were “affiliated” to the NCCL.

    If Harman could just have acknowledged that they were all a bit loony left in those days, that we have all grown up, and that with hindsight it is awful to think that PIE could have been part of a civil liberties group and a huge mistake – then that would be forgiveable.

    Harman could also have listed some of the other equally loony affilates and reassured us all that that was then and we are all so much more caring and aware now.

    Harman has completely arsed it up for herself. Now people are concerned less about the PIE stuff than they are about her arrogance and Millibland’s beige support for her.

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    WorthSayingAgain says:

    Wakey, wakey, Keep the Faith, PIE were gay men. They were gay men who abused boys.

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    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

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    OH says:

    Old Holborn ‏@OHwinsAgain

    Attack free speech and I guarantee it will attack you back.

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    Owen Jones's Shirt Tail says:

    PIE were invited to affiliate and their members were invited to NCCL meetings. In some of the documents PIE are listed as one if only half a dozen affiliates. They did not ‘infiltrate’ the NCCL, they were encouraged to join. They were part of the Gay Rights movement.

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    C.O.Jones says:

    Yes, seems she missed a golden opportunity here. When you are in a hole – stop digging.

  122. 122
    Roger the Butler says:

    Scottish Independence: Plan B to keep using pound


    Hattie is a pervert.

    Vote UKIP.

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    Handypara says:

    “PIE cleverly attached itself to the human rights of gay men – and if you criticised PIE members, it was could be construed as attacking homosexuals”
    If it was that simple, surely any decent homosexuals would have loudly and robustly dissociated themselves from the attachment at the time?

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    We've all got one in bits in the garage says:

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    Guido Fawkes says:

    You’re on the wrong blog, OH. We’re shit-scared of free speech on here.

  126. 126
    Diane Abbot says:

    Now we know whay, despite her feminist posturing, Harman refused to stand for the Laboiur Leadership and I had to stand as the joke “female/black” combined token candidate

  127. 127
    Handypara says:

    Pathetic child! She must get her news only from the BBC and Jones.

  128. 128
    R says:

    What about “fat/thick/hypocritical/ludicrous/ugly” token candidates? Someone has to be stand for them too.

  129. 129
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Is this the Labour munchkin who was planted in a QT audience to impersonate a member of the public?

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    Goggle says:

    Very strange that she refused to say that it was a mistake.

    I recall though at the time there were many on the left who thought that paedophile rights and gay rights were synonymous.

  131. 131
    Eight Pints says:

    The Foreign Secretary forbade it. Laud knows why.

  132. 132
    Goggle says:

    Nothing else will come out. This has been known for 30 years and has been bought up a couple of times.

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    All socialists are scum says:

    This filthy bitch needs a meat hook through the jaw and then being suspended over flames.

  134. 134
    Handypara says:

    No such equivalence was considered even back then! While both perversions were viewed with disgust, even then it was generally recognised that homosexuality was largely a victimless perversion unlike the evil of sex with children.

  135. 135
    Alan Turing says:

    Who is this fat сunt on a motorbike?

  136. 136

    Ok so the Daily Hitler publishes pervy photos of little girls, but they have always drawn the line at groups which support civil liberties.

  137. 137
    Charlie says:

    Homosexual men have travelled to N Africa, Sri Lanka, Thailand and Cambodia to have sex with boys below the age of 16 for years. Why did so many famous homosexual writers have homes in N Africa?

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    The ghost of the 1st victim of Marxism says:

    You have, in some ways, to admire the fact that her loyalty to the North London Death Cult of
    ( Marxism) is such that she will defend it even in public. This despite the damage done to her politically and personally.

    The picture of Miliband, a full blooded Member and Prophet of the North London Death Cult, supporting her is remarkable. Yes the Milibands have a long history of supporting the killings rapes and tortures of the Death Cult. (They even attended the funeral of Professor Eric Hobsbawm). This however is showing a foolishness not seen since the 1930s and is endangering the Labour Party it’s self.

    Marxism is anti-family. We all should know this. The promotion of the anti-family agenda is part of the Marxist strategy to undermine Western and Christian values and society. Therfore the support of pedophiles is par for the course. BUT… doing so so openly.

    I never expected them to do that

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    The great majority says:

    We laughed at that bullshit when Harman implied the same on Newsnight and we’re still laughing.

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    FrankField's Buttplug says:

    I was saying to my friend Iain yesterday,while I was unclogging his sink, I think there is something a bit kinky about Mr. Harriet – didn’t he Twitter a link to a website with big butch black men doing naughty things last year?. Harriet’s another example of why we shouldn’t have women in our show cheeky cat. Mind you, ducks getting married has it’s compositions and stops the rumours. I might propose to that Eagle woman, now I think about it

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    FrankField's Buttplug says:

    Ooh get the madam!. Live and let live duckie, or I’ll scratch your eyes out. I haven’t come all the way from Great Portland Street to be insulted

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    Cardinal Seán Brady says:

    Whatever the Daily Hitler publishes is allowed by law. If they overstep the mark you can go to the police.

    What Harriet Harman was arguing for (after she joined the NCCL in 1978) is prohibited by law. For the entire time that she worked there, PIE was affiliated to the NCCL.

    What is so difficult for you to understand?

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    Von Rumpoy killed our giraffe. says:

    6am BBC 5Live News top story.
    Harriet Harman is a victim.

  144. 144
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Ed Miliband is defending Harriet Harman.

    She’s doomed.

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    ancientpopeye says:

    Anyone married to a male (sic) that wears a skirt on a woman’s shortlist to get elected has to be a trifle strange, yes?

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    Fishy says:

    And at 6am. Plus PIE were one of many different organisations who could affiliate to NCCL. How was poor Hattie to know what they were into?

    The BBC never reported her submission to Govt though, reflecting PIE’s aims.

    The BBC are also quiet about their own activities at the time, they themselves giving PIE a platform.

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    Wild Life first and people second says:

    Why have Mr and Mrs Harman been allowed to have and keep their children?

    What were Social services doing?

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    The British Press are bloody useless says:

    Does the Daily Mail have evidence of criminal activity by Harman Harman and Hewit ?

    Has any evidence been passed over to the Police?

    If evidence exists when did it come to the attention of the Daily Mail and how did they acquire that evidence ?

    It is hardly rocket science is it?

  149. 149
    Von Rumpoy killed our giraffe. says:

    Because they don’t live in Rotherham and vote UKIP

  150. 150
    UKIP UKIP UKIP says:

    Hitler was a green socialist Jimmy.

    Hitler was a green socialist Jimmy.

    Hitler was a green socialist Jimmy.

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    M102 says:

    I want all smears dead etc etc

  152. 152
    Harbottle says:

    Distraction tactics-direct from Labour HQ.

  153. 153
    Von Rumpoy killed our giraffe. says:

    Who’s Harman Upset ?
    BBC News Dept, Kevin Maguire and Nicky Campbell all sticking the Gucci loafer in.

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    Sally Bercow says:

    Wonder if Guido Fawkes would like to see me Twerk……..?!! x

  155. 155
    Vlad the Loudhailer says:

    Being run by Pattie Hewitt.

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    Loopy Lou says:

    Milliband (D) never rated her .

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    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Told you lot that the BBC would spin this story for Harpic. Poor Hattie, no doubt she’ll be on TV soon in tears and the BBC will be there to attack the Mail.

  158. 158
    Beeboid circling the wagons says:

    The Harman rebuttal now on BBC main page, BBC UK page, BBC politics page with top billing. Couple of days ago they had never heard of the story and someone had forgotten to buy the Daily Mail on their way in for the paper review as it never appeared once.

    However, On the 100,000 Bone story this is also on all three pages ans was so before the Times newspaper print was even dry. If true the guy needs to go to jail but the speed at which the BBC got this front and centre was breathtaking.

  159. 159
    Harbottle says:

    And a vegetarian.

  160. 160
    Anonymous says:

    Its a Labour safe house

  161. 161
    Anonymous says:

    You know when anyone calls the Mail the Daily Hitler then you know they have lost the argument.
    By the way chaps Hitler was a socialist , the clue is in the name of the party

  162. 162
    Peter and Michael says:


  163. 163
    johnpreid says:

    A quick look on the net,pre 2011 When Saville was still a Tory supporter, and Guido Fawkes page was pro Tory, sows Order-order having photos of their Tory heroes,surrounded by Saville,
    So criticising Harman for guilt by association, of facilitation, you ought to get your won act together, unless the web links are wrong

  164. 164
  165. 165
    cornwall storms says:

    Oh a weepy interview. Well piersmorgan is free now so the beeb can employ him to do it.

  166. 166
    Ex pat ex higher rate taxpayer says:

    Thirty odd years ago I took a job for a company with a few dodgy clients.

    I took the job because I had no money, a wife and a mortgage, and needed the experience to get on.

    I had little or nothing to do with the dodgy clients and as far as I am aware did nothing illegal.

    Fast forward to the present day, if I was being vilified for what happened then because it is now deemed politically correct, I would not apologize .

  167. 167
    cornwall storms says:

    So hattyharpic issues a rebuttal that does not address the allegations the mail made and the beeb who has ignored the story for weeks is now all over hattyharpic’s weasel words. #nausea

  168. 168
    Anonymous says:

    5 times.5 failures.

  169. 169
    Malcolm Muggeridge says:

    The correct course of action would have been to stay unemployed and continue seeking a job which was both morally acceptable and politically correct.

    You Sir are clearly guilty today (as evidenced buy your willingness to post ) and have no more integrity than those correctly being fingered by the Daily Mail.

  170. 170
    JH945894343432945 says:

    To be fair, Laura Kuenssberg went after her like a Terrier. It was a car crash for Harman, and will cause her nightmares in to the election.

    When the report started, I thought it would be one of those state-the-allegations-through-gritted-teeth-then-grant-a-soft-soap-interview-to-deny-it-then-move-on reports, just to head off allegations that they were deafeningly quiet about it.

    Harman looked slippery as hell. She can’t just say it was a mistake because she knows there are documents showing she directly supported that organisation.

    Course she did. Do do otherwise could be seen as ‘anti-gay’, the Götterdämmerung of thought crimes for the progressive.

  171. 171
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Watch out, watch out, there is a Libel lawyer about.

  172. 172
    Time for some judicial action says:

    The Court of Public Opinion finds Harmskids, her dodgy husbandwoman, and that Hewitt monster guilty as fùcking sin

  173. 173
    MIKE OXHARD says:


    “Do they have kids” ?

  174. 174
    bubble says:

    “No-one can seriously believe Ms Harman in any way supported the aims/aspirations of PIE”

    The radical feminist element within the Left back in the 70s and early 80s was seriously cracked in the head.

  175. 175
    Morals and standards says:

    If that job involved me advocating that children of the age of four could be abused by adults, I’m afraid I’d have gone to the police and registered a complaint..latter telling them to shove their disgusting job.

  176. 176
    FrankFisher says:

    No one is alleging criminal activity, just unpleasant stupidity.

  177. 177
    Morals and standards says:



  178. 178
    bubble says:

    “There must have been some perceived advantage to be had by being able to say that you were “affiliated” to the NCCL.”

    It was used to get their foot in the door as government advisers on child sexuality.

  179. 179
    Cinna says:

    Used to have a beard too.

  180. 180
    Network of scum says:

    I wonder if Savile had connections to PIE indirectly?

  181. 181
    bubble says:

    guilt by association?

  182. 182
    Cinna says:

    Guilty in the Court of Public Opinion.

  183. 183
    bubble says:

    advocating for != being in same organisation as

  184. 184
    Contra mundes says:

    Decent homosexuals? Surely an oxymoron if ever there was one.

  185. 185

    But guilt none the less.

  186. 186
    jgm2 says:

    Ha ha ha. Genius.

  187. 187
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    Even Maguire said she had questions to answer and there was no reason not to on Sky press preview

  188. 188
    Socialist Broadcasting Virtual Monopoly says:

    We are not looking to question the aligations but promote the idea of a smear campaign by our rival the grubby Mail.

  189. 189
    Cast Iron Dave says:

    I’ve just dipped into my bag of promises and one came out saying that I won’t form a coalition in 2015. Vote Dave in 2015.

  190. 190
    Dave Likes a Big One Up the Arse says:

    You need to be bummed until you love it and then marry your man. I’ve made it all possible for you!

  191. 191
    Ah! but says:

    All companies / employers especially government and the Church of England have dodgy clients.

    For your penance please say a prayer and donate some unpaid taxes to the government.

  192. 192
    everyone says:

    this is undoubtedly a shocker for labour, but part of me wonders if the Elm Guest House and associated investigations are getting close to Senior Tories and this is handy distraction. Various reports of Mi5 and Special Branch getting ‘involved’ in the investigation, the state looking to cover up again



  193. 193
    Oak Shed says:

    Are you now or have you ever been in a job that makes decisions on or for the lives of millions of people, if not, then you pathetic little apology for your hypocritical mendacious idols is worthless.

  194. 194
    Owen Jones says:

    No boyfriend, no problem.

  195. 195
    jgm2 says:

    Harriet refused to stand because it would have meant freeing up the position of deputy leader.

    Since she had no hope of winning and every chance of then losing her well polished deputy-leader’s job (and salary) then, even for her, it was a no-brainer.

  196. 196
    ex Tory Voter says:

    It really was all right because they took money from anyone, no questions asked.


  197. 197
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    “a very big part of my life is trying to give pleasure to Mrs Bone”.

  198. 198
    Nigel Double-Garage says:

    Mine’s a pint

  199. 199
    Ben Gummer says:

    I’ve just had a couple of mad cow burgers to prepare me for my speech today in the House of Troughers. One third of my brain is still functioning so should be okay.

  200. 200
    UKIP or bust says:

    If it was such a fair interview, why wasn’t it live?

    It was edited to pieces, no doubt with a libore team on hand.

  201. 201
    jgm2 says:

    She’s bang to rights on this and, knowing this, Original Jimmy would have kept well away from expressing an opinion.

  202. 202
    jgm2 says:

    That seals it. Because Miliband (D) is as thick as bull’s beef himself.

  203. 203
    Drop a Daisy cutter on the BBC says:

    Of course it was edited. Harpic wouldn’t have done the interview otherwise.

  204. 204
    No more state broadcaster says:

    So the BBC clearly knew all about the story but only paid any attention to it once Harriden was prepared for an interview.
    Time to get rid of the telly tax, the BBC are a disgrace.

  205. 205
    The Public says:

    So Miliband backs Harman – says all you need to know about his integrity. Disgusting.

  206. 206
    Mr Woy says:

    No, he’s a c_unt.

  207. 207
    Anonymous says:

    Great.Bring it on.

  208. 208
    Where are Tony Blair's Expenses says:

    in 1978 the NCCL opposed the new Child Abuse Legislation; in a letter to the Home Office, written by Harman, the NCCL argued that child pornography should not be banned as indecent unless it could be shown that the child depicted had been harmed.

    How sick do you have to be to draft a letter like this and completely at odds with what she said on NewsNight.

    The Daily Mail and Guido must keep going on this; with a bit of luck Militwat will get stuck with guilt by association after his stunt with 25 MP stooges yesterday.

  209. 209
    cured lefty says:

    Absolute self serving bitch dragged) Kicking & whingeing to a statement of regret even then by issued by fu)ing lackey total bastard!

  210. 210
    jgm2 says:

    I’m reminded of that gag doing the rounds when Francois Hollande was caught shagging his mistress.

    ‘Mr Hollande, would you like to talk about the allegations surrounding your relationship with zis woman’?

    ‘No. It is not your business.’

    ‘Very well, would you like to talk about the economy?’

    ‘Yes, I was having an affair’.

    Same for Hatty

    ‘So, Mrs Harman, what is this business about you supporting PIE back in the day’.

    ‘I have nothing to say.’

    ‘Okay, would you like to talk about Labour’s economic record while in office’?

    ‘We were all for having sex with 10 year old kids back then..’

  211. 211
    Cinna says:

    I’ve got money on that. However, a piece of advice to her, stop trying to hard. This is the kind of stuff that comes back to bite ya in later life. As Hattie has just found out.

  212. 212
    john mackie says:

    What this car crash interview shows is that HH would rather do back flips and pirouettes rather and admit to the slightest error in her past.

    She obviously has a messiah complex. Capable of no wrong.

    Revolting, hateful woman.

  213. 213
    2014 and 2015 voters get your own back says:

    I’ve just dipped in my bag of promises and it came out saying that I will be voting for UKIP in 2015, we have to break the ring of lies and corruption and deceit sometime, so screw the LibLabCon artists.

  214. 214
    jgm2 says:

    written by Harman, the NCCL argued that child pornography should not be ba*n*n*ed as indecent unless it could be shown that the child depicted had been harmed.

    Yet today she’s playing the ‘wimmin’ card by trying to get Page 3′ ba*n*n*ed. Does she have evidence that these women are being harmed?

  215. 215
    M says:

    Could harman debate the merit of the affiliations with PIE of the NCCL , with the MaCanns & may be a follow up dabate of her views on press regulation & why there should be more

  216. 216
    Round the Bend says:

    They will not admit about PIE as to do so would be an admission that both of them are STUPID. And as you know Socialists are never wrong, as McMental has always told us.

  217. 217
    Cinna says:

    It’s a thought. Perhaps that’s why the BBC were so keen to sit on this story.

  218. 218
    Cinna says:

    And the Leftie penchant for espousing trendy causes that the majority of people would find repugnant.

  219. 219
    The Last Quango in Paris says:

    wow – that went well then!

    let the story run for three days and then pile in and stir it up.

    well done Harriet.

    PS – Where’s Patricia?

  220. 220
    Alexsandr says:

    sorry. this is quite simple. If they knew about the NCCL -PIE link, and knew what the PIE were about, then they should have raised concerns with the directors of NCCL, and if necessary resigned from NCCL.
    But it was clearly more important to keep their jobs and important CV fodder than to raise these concerns.
    To me that just shows total lack of judgement, in in the case of Harpic, from someone who aspires to be home secretary.

  221. 221
    Jingle bells says:

    Liebour and integrity does not compute, 404

  222. 222
    Just askin says:

    Commenting about car crashes, how did she get on with that car crash she was so important that she walked away from, did that get a dose of whitewash or did it come up in court then was given a dose of whitewash

  223. 223
    Windypops says:

    Uncle Len won’t let him cut the apron strings (which should be round his neck rather than his waist).

  224. 224
    Alexsandr says:

    you mean she may have a smear test?

  225. 225
    Cinna says:

    Like all wimmin Lefties she’s nothing but a hypocrite. It’s OK for a nonce to get his rocks off looking at child porn, but normal males looking at normal, attractive women (i.e. of age) are beyond the pale. (Insert your own jokes about Mr Harperson here).

  226. 226
    jgm2 says:

    In fairness to the BBC (Did I just say that?)

    Here are how they’re reporting Hatties performance…

    ‘Appearing on BBC Two’s Newsnight programme on Monday, she repeatedly sidestepped questions about whether it had been a mistake to allow the paedophile campaign to be affiliated to the civil liberties group’

  227. 227
    jgm2 says:

    In fairness to the BBC (Did I just say that?)

    Here are how they’re reporting Hatties performance…

    ‘Appearing on BBC Two’s Newsnight programme on Monday, she repeatedly sidestepped questions about whether it had been a mistake to allow the p*a*e*d*o*p*h*i*l*e campaign to be affiliated to the civil liberties group’

  228. 228
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    I knew Hattie Harperson had been legal officer of Liberty’s predecessor but I didn’t realise Dromedary was there as well. Maybe that explains why union branches of unions such as NALGO (the old Local Gov union) were getting NCCL’s literature and PIE’s propaganda as well.

  229. 229
    Bucklebury John says:

    I remember a TV interview by Harman. It is seared into my brain and so has remained there from the late 70s/early 80s. She gave full support to much of what PIE wanted, lowering the age of consent and adult to child sexual love. If the video tape exists she is in deep trouble

  230. 230
    confused! says:

    What gets me is that people in the party must have known about this somewhat dodgy history yet they were still allowed to rise to higher echelons of the party.

    That might explain why Ed is still backing her, to cover for past misjudgements.

  231. 231
    Windypops says:

    In the 1960s, Kenneth Williams had a nice little pad in Tangier. Must have been because of the lovely view, the food and balmy breezes.

  232. 232
    Hugh Manatee says:

    I agree, but I have already got rid of the telly tax – I just do not pay it. If everybody else did the same, we would be free of these lefty lying parasites.

  233. 233
    Windypops says:

    This female know-nothing twit was not even a twinkle in her daddy’s eye when all this was going on, so why doesn’t she just STFU and stop illustrating her stupidity to the world?

  234. 234
    MIKE OXHARD says:

    The BBC are on a search and destroy mission of their archive as we speak

    lets hope they do turn up

  235. 235
    jgm2 says:

    Perhaps a request to the BBC to see if they can uncover such a tape might yield fruit.

    They did spend 100m quid attempting to archive their stuff. I’d have thought that, even though the retrieval system didn’t work they’d have had to at least tag every tape/recording/DVD with who was in it. Possibly even the subject content.

    A quick database search would find it in about 5 seconds.

    They’d do it if it was a Tory who was in such a spot of bother.

    The c*u*n*t*s.

  236. 236
    Windypops says:

    Exactly – and she also knew it would be completely impossible to clean up the Gorgon’s 10 year run of utter fukups – so completely understandable why she stood to one side and let other idiots fight over the position.

  237. 237
    walking into darkness says:

    precisely the point, wtf was she possibly thinking. It’s impossible for just about even the most retarded individual when they see a group like the PIE to not ask yourself what it is they are up to.
    What it would suggest is that this was entirely deliberate and the connections used for future blackmailing when you need someone to be a fall guy for something else or to do a little bit of dirty work on the QT

  238. 238
    Tim Yeo-yo says:

    Jimmy has never, ever won an argument. He’s to thick and bigoted, like most labour supporters.

  239. 239
    JH945894343432945 says:

    She knows such material exists.

    That’s why she keeps wriggling out of admitting that she supported a movement dedicated to giving gay men a green light to abuse young boys.

    Even your young modern lefty would pause for a moment to let their ingrained victimhood poker software run before passing judgement on that one.

    “If I condemn that, am I being homophobic?”.

    Minefield. You have to feel for them.

  240. 240
    Cinna says:

    Labour rebuttal tam working late last night I see.

  241. 241
    Anonymous says:

    Because the Daily Mail have printed nothing that is untrue. There is no Libel.

  242. 242
    Gerbil 7 says:

    This from 1 hour ago:


    Nobody is asking you to apologise to the Daily Mail dear….

  243. 243
    lojolondon says:

    So far from the truth?? Hattie signed documents which requested parliament to reduce the age of sexual consent. All the documents are included in the DM article. Looks like the truth to me. Full marks to Laura for a good interview.

    To compare printing pictures of actresses on holiday in their bikinis with campaigning to lower the age of consent for sex with children and to enable hardcore pornography is outrageous.

    Read the articles, one of them states that a girl can have an orgasm from the age of four months, it is truly shocking and these dirty people all need to go!!

  244. 244
    Cinna says:

    FFS! Lack of judgement.

  245. 245
    Cinna says:

    It’s in her nature. Can’t help it. She’s comes over as desperate.

  246. 246
    Johnny Norfolk says:

    Let off the hook, imagine if it had been UKIP or the Tories What would the BBC have been like over it. Totaly different without a doubt.

  247. 247
    Sunny Jim says:

    Good point, well made, whippet

  248. 248
    Rob says:

    The Left are so idiotically tribal that they defend their own even if it means getting as filthy as this. Hilarious. Absolutely no sense of right or wrong, completely amoral.

  249. 249
    Nice Time says:

    Didn’t that old feminist GG lust after young boys ? Suppose that’s ok.

  250. 250
    DSK says:

    When the Socialist is a woman there are usually ways to return favors.

  251. 251
    Lance Corporal Bill Bloggs (retired) says:

    If she has done nothing wrong then what exactly is she apologizing for now?

    Are the Daily Mail going to say everything is alright so let us move the headlines or what ?

    The whole thing is bordering on the ridiculous .

    If WW3 breaks out I have a good idea though who I do not want on my side.

  252. 252
    A little person says:

    Aged 62, so probably getting State pension plus salary plus parliamentary expenses.

    Gets extra too for holding a shadow post.

  253. 253
    A Chinaman says:

    Aged 63 should she not be standing down at the next election ?

  254. 254
    A Chinaman says:

    For signing documents which would have given immunity to older people to have sex with younger children she should hang her head in shame and resign.

  255. 255
    I dislike socialists intensely says:

    Why has Harman not sued the Daily Mail ? She is a very wealthy woman
    so the cost is no excuse.

  256. 256
    Happy Gooner says:

    More an indictment of the Graun than UKIP Voters surely?

  257. 257
    Anonymous says:

    Watching the interview I was expecting the Question, would you have let the NF be a member then. Surprise surprise it was not asked by the BBC

  258. 258
    Fisherman's friend says:

    I have worms that wriggle less on the hook than Harriet Harman.
    Could she believe that PIE stood for children’s bakery products?
    Why not go to court if she believes she and her wife are right?

  259. 259
    Pdubya says:


  260. 260
    Just Saying. says:

    BBC didn’t succeed and will not while we have a “free” press.
    Pity nothing on Venezuela or even Thailand.
    BBC knickers in a twist over Uganda as now they cannot send 60% of their “journalists” to that country so will use stringers as they do in war zones due to elf and safty.

  261. 261
    Chris Smith says:

    Most peedos are quire.

    It is another gigantic lie to say that they are not.

  262. 262
    The Last Quango in Paris says:

    OMG just seen her tweet re the Daily Mail and Courtney Stodden – IT”S WAR !!!

  263. 263
    Ivan Agenda says:

    Gee! Attacking his mother in law to shut him up?

  264. 264
    Just Saying says:

    Simply shows their total lack of wisdom, methinks?

  265. 265
    Archie says:

    Full marks to Laura Kuenssberg. It’s such a breath of fresh air to see a left-wing politician being given a hard time on a BBC programme.

  266. 266
    Libertie(s) says:


  267. 267
    Just Saying says:

    But did you notice his attack dog minder on his right shoulder?
    Is he somewhat fearful of supporting such people as Harperson?

  268. 268
    Just Saying says:

    As many have said this story has been around for some time; so why does Harman deny knowing simple facts like how much PIE paid and how many other undesirables were affiliated?
    Once you start lying there is never an end to it until it is fully exposed, as it will be in this case. You would think that MP’s would know this, but lessons appear never to be learnt in Westminster, and especially with Labour grandees’

  269. 269
    EyeSee says:

    It’s a half way house. She won’t apologise for something she believes in, then as now, but equally she won’t admit it. In no way did she or does she support this vile organisation or its objectives. And writing a letter, deploring the suggestion that possession of pornographic images of a child should be a crime, in no way changes that. Labour is a dangerous crew of cultural Marxists and people are supposed to think they are socialists, representing the people!

  270. 270
    Anon. says:

  271. 271

    If it wasn’t a mistake then affiliation of the NCCL with these perverts was done with the full knowledge and endorsement of all concerned.
    They can’t have it both ways!

  272. 272
    GlisteningLabia says:

    Sorry…I missed out on how this is a Daily Mail story….didn’t Rod Liddle have a piece on it in this weekend’s Sunday Times? Or am I reading stuff in the wrong order & getting my timeline mixed up?

  273. 273

    Look, these allegations go back a long way ,clearly mistakes were made on all sides , Harriet Harman is still a highly respected politician ,with the full confidence of the party leadership.
    Miss Harman would like to apologise unreservedly for any misunderstandings ,lessons will have been learned ,it’s time to move on from this unfortunate episode and confront the real issues that the country is facing, such as climate change and the ongoing cost of living crisis.

  274. 274
    Polly Toynbee ate my hamster says:

    Hardly surprising.

    Almost no one reads the Guardian.

    It’s sold for wiping your @rse on.

  275. 275
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Hattie now says she regrets something or other. Could it be that she’s had the nod from AlJabeeba that its OK as we’ve found the aforementioned tape and rendered it “harmless”.

  276. 276
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Agreed, Laura did well but she must do her homework a little better. It was PIE which affiliated to NCCL and not the other way round. She could also have asked about a white supremacist organisation being allowed to affiliate to NCCL if they took affiliations from anybody as Hattie claimed.

  277. 277
    Anonymous says:

    So yesterday on the Daily Politics we had a hairdresser and today a comedian, says it all. Jo Coburn must go.

  278. 278
    The Critic says:

    Let me make sure I have go this straight; Harriet was not revolted by the notion of making 10 year old shagging legal but rationalises this by thinking anyone who is is politically motivated. What fecking planet is she on?

  279. 279
    Anonymous says:

    Someone should ask Harriet what is wrong with “titivating” photographs.

  280. 280
    eHarmany says:

    Harman can’t say that NCCL’s involvement with PIE was a huge mistake because the follow-up question would be “so why did you do it?”. She would then have to choose between defending PIE and defending the left’s willingness to make common cause with almost anybody who is against mainstream British society. Either answer would be an admission that it was a product of left-wing revolutionary politics and not really a mistake at all.

  281. 281
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    I have NEVER paid the TV tax, but then I have NEVER owned a TV, so now you know why I read this blog: the real world passes through every day.

  282. 282
    The Central Scrutinizer says:

    This kind of garbage came from the fraudulent Kinsey report on sex in the 1940’s. They got up to all sorts of stuff in trying to make deviancy appear normal. The people they interviewed and based their findings on we’re often ex-con perverts.

  283. 283
    Hahaha Harmen says:

    She must resign!

  284. 284
    (Rarely) Dangerous Brian says:

    You would have had money on this one (and a few others) coming out of the woodwork to defend this hypocritical bunch of communist slimeballs.
    Ms Beckett, another Labour hypocritical gobsh*te in the making.

  285. 285
    (Rarely) Dangerous Brian says:

    She forgot to include her full resume.

  286. 286
  287. 287
    Anonymous says:

    She’s pathologically incapable of admitting she’s done anything wrong. Ever.

    I think it’s known as ‘Brown’s syndrome’.

  288. 288
    Anonymous says:

    See what happens when you try to be a clever dick?

  289. 289
    Another Labour scandal lingers on says:

    This is worse than Hodge/Oppenheimer not revealing the tax status of Stemcor or her family’s interests in it. Still rumbling on….

    Fact is NCCL promoted decriminalisation of incest and evidence of “harm” to bring about child abuse charges (ie the abuse alone is not a crime). These Labour social engineers who think they can inject liberality into lives of working class people make me sick. They have a theoretical view of everything they say which is why you end up with all women shortlists and the like – incidentally Jack Dromey circumvented this to get elected. Harman has made this worse with her interview, it wasn’t me guv, they were pushed away but still managed to remain affiliated members for 5/6years. FFS they were called the Paedophile Information Exchange, the only way it could be worse was if they were called fuck little kids up the arse….this woman was the deputy prime minister of this country – thick fucks voted for her in droves.

  290. 290
    olden1936 says:

    This seems to be the latest of a seedy selection of official forgiveness of sins.
    Lately more and more frequently we hear the Law cry “There will be no proscecution through lack of evidence” I suspect that had Jimmy Saville not died we’d have heard the same cry; but I hope I’m wrong.

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