August 4th, 2013

Read Guido’s Column in The Sun Today

Politics for the many, not the few, all for just 60p in today’s Sun. In Guido’s column:

  • Just how much does it cost to become a Lord?
  • How a half-cocked Tory slogan was bungled by the PM
  • Following Lord Howell’s “desolate” gaffe, surely no Labour MPs would use that word to describe the North?
  • Unison’s day at the races
  • Tom Watson has time on his hands
  • How the Tories are milking lobbyists
  • Denis MacShane’s career goes out with a hum

Guido is off to the seaside for the next few weeks so the column will be back in time for party conference season…


355 Comments

  1. 1
    Ah Monika reformed says:

    Don’t get sun burnt.

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    • 5
      Factor 200 says:

      Seaside = Somewhere in the Caribbean on Rupert’s shekel so there’s a very high chance of that.

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      • 87
        Heir Apparent says:

        Who takes over when Guido is away?

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        • 122
          Schrodinger's Cat / Twp Dogs / Fifty Seveth Earl etc says:

          What will I do for the summer if there is no blogging on here.

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          • TooTallTim says:

            You could fuck off and die!

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          • Classic Cuntish Cat says:

            I guess you could travel around Europe

            http://order-order.com/2013/02/03/read-guido-in-the-sun-today/#comment-1579849

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          • Classic Cuntish Cat says:

            Sometimes it is obvious when Schrodinger’s Cat is being faked, sometimes it is difficult to tell, but this one was clearly original. Nobody else could dream up being such a Hunt. Thank you “Classic Huntish Cat” – you made me laugh.

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          • There are Cunts, there are Big Cunts and there is You says:

            @Classic Cuпtish Cat

            Don’t tell me that you would pay a charge that wasn’t necessary under the law.

            That would make you an even bigger Cuпt than the Cuпt you already are!

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          • The Fifty Seventh Earl of Perineum says:

            Sock puppets all of you! Have you nothing better to do than troll SC on here? Why don’t you all fuck off and leave this blog to proper commentators? It is just not funny.

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          • Ailurophile says:

            Litera scripta manet, eh, Felix?

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          • If you know your law you can avoid being a Cunt says:

            Spain is imposing unlawful crossing restrictions at the Gibraltar border and are considering introducing a €50 per person fee to cross it.

            European discrimination law

            From the beginning, the Treaty of Rome addressed discrimination in relation to nationality and gender. Initially this stemmed from concerns that market integration would be undermined if free movement of labour was limited by discrimination based on nationality between citizens of member states.

            Article 6 of the Treaty of Rome (now Article 12 EC) prohibited any discrimination on the grounds of nationality of a Member State. To supplement this, a Regulation was made in 1968 (Regulation 1612/68). This made detailed provision in relation to all aspects of discrimination against Member States’ nationals (and their families) when exercising their rights to move freely around the EU in order to work. Article 119 of the Treaty of Rome (the precursor to Article 141 EC) gave women and men
            the right to equal pay for work of equal value.

            Now let us find out who are Cuпts…

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            @Ailurophile

            Stylus fortior gladio!

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          • Your Super Soaraway Sun says:

            Gibraltar isn’t in the EU, however.

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            If the Sun says that, then it is wrong.

            Gibraltar joined under the Single European Act 1972, with certain exemptions (e.g. they have no coal.)

            From 2004, Gibraltarians have been able to vote in European elections.

            Make no mistake, they are entitled to the same rights under the Treaty of Rome (and all the other Treaties) as you are.

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          • Ailurophile says:

            @TDoE

            Aelurus fortior troglodytarum!

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            @Ailurophile

            Troglodytae nunquam vincere!

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          • Ippikin says:

            Maybe we should talk amongst ourselves.

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          • Lucinda The Troll says:

            You could go back to the campsite and your young, full-nippled companion.

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            Which one?

            I have so many.

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          • Batty buoy says:

            Look at it this way S.C.; at least there’ll be time to read all the back issues, I can only find time to read about one in three or four of the articles hereabouts as it is!

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    • 10
      the return of tat - for one day only says:

      STFU bitch.

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      • 13
        PCbbc says:

        New Doctor Who arrives in blue box. She’s old, fat, black and gay.

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        • 20
          DPAC says:

          I hope she’s so fat she can’t walk.

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          • EHRC says:

            Sorry but being black trumps being disabled or fat.

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          • V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

            From the benefits perspective it probably does. I’m feeling massively enriched in my super diverse multi-cultural UK cesspit and eagerly await another 20 million sponging immigrants.

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        • 28
          Fishy says:

          These Daleks are always trying to divide and rule

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        • 41
          Casting Director says:

          Fartbot qualifies on 3 out of 4 of those criteria. She’ll do.

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        • 91
          Davros says:

          “New Doctor Who arrives in blue box. She’s old, fat, black and gay.”

          Dianne is Gay?

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          • Malcolm Tucker says:

            Oh fucking Daleks. Just what we fuckingwell need. Just as I am arranging for fucking Gordon fucking Brown to be installed as Lord High fucking saviour of this fucking planetary system.

            OK. Who the fuck fucked up and let the wankers in? Who let those fucking cu.nts into the fucking galaxy? If some cu.nt can fuck something up that cu.nt will pick the worst fucking time to fucking fuck up because that cu.nt’s a cu.nt!. And this fucking sonic screwdriver is as useful as a useless fucking prop from a fucking kids sci fi show. It doesn’t fucking work.

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    • 77
      Ed Miliband says:

      Has anyone seen any of my front benchers? We decided to have a game of hide-and-seek a year or two back and I haven’t managed to find any of them since then.

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      • 130
        Ed Twelvety Balls says:

        You muppet, Miliband! I’m not coming out of hiding until after you’ve lost the next election, there’s no way I want to be associated with that. Then I can launch another leadership bid in 2015…

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    • 124

      More illegitimate fracking…hope it helps pay for the olympics.

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  2. 2
    Anonymous says:

    Holiday, you capitalist bounder…..

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  3. 3
    Another Goy says:

    NO!

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  4. 4
    Ah Monika reformed says:

    oops Sun :)

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  5. 6
    David Cameron says:

    Chillaxing

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  6. 7
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Hitchens on searing form today, too:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2384272/PETER-HITCHENS-Dont-blame-immigrants–arent-ones-wrecking-Britain.html

    Happy Hols, Fawkes – don’t forget the buckets and… spades (as you probably can’t say in Tower Hamlets).

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    • 9
      Party of Dave still letting in 515,000 immigrants per year says:

      “The Government’s pretence of being resolute and decisive on immigration is a lie. It is almost as bad as New Labour’s secret decision to transform the country with migrants”

      Well said.

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    • 22
      Daily Mail says:

      We’ve turned the comments off. Dont want UKIP getting too much support.

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    • 23
      Bit late now but better late than never says:

      Shame Hitchens didn’t open his big gob when Labour were in power. Typical feckin weasel.

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      • 32
        In Fairness says:

        I think you’ll find he did.

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        • 154
          Hitchens failed to says:

          Yeah but very quietly

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          • Anonymous says:

            People spoke out clearly. It was not the fashion to listen.

            I was outside the country for the Labour years, and never heard the propaganda that converted this country into mindless couch potatoes. That left me as one of the minority that could hear. The rest where not able to see past the greed and dishonesty that entertained them.

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    • 35
      albacore says:

      How much longer will the real English folks
      Let Parliament treat them as nowt but jokes?
      If politics was sod all but pure shit
      The essence of diarrhoea in it
      Would be the treacherous LibLabCon scum
      That hoodwinked us under the E U thumb
      And with unrestricted immigration
      Seeks to complete our final damnation
      While, Fawkes, you play with your bucket and spade
      You might consider that old renegade
      Whose name you adopted for this column
      Had the right idea to free us from ‘em

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    • 72
      Bus Poster says:

      A good analysis.
      A foolish solution.

      Vote UKIP. Get Labour.

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    • 80
      Jimmy says:

      Ah yes, Hitchens Minor: the James Belushi of political commentary.

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  7. 8
    Eric Pickles ( no less ) says:

    The drive at Windsor Great Park will be opened for off-road parking.

    Resident to make a fortune.

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  8. 11
    Daily Fail says:

    Meanwhile we continue our fight against internet p0rn.
    “Lindsay Lohan goes topless… as she strips off in new leaked images from The Canyons”

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    • 15
      the return of tat - for one day only says:

      “Lindsay Lohan isn’t pissed and wears a top!”

      Now THAT’S news.

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  9. 12
    Bright Idea T-Shirts says:

    Click on my breasts.
    Don’t lick on them.

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  10. 16
    Living in 97.223% white Merseyside says:

    My local newsagent had no copies of the Current Bun this morning.

    Had he sold out – doubtful.
    Keeps them under the counter – maybe.
    Didn’t order any in the first place – highly likely.

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  11. 17
    An Impartial Observer says:

    Awful lot of posts have vanished in past 24 hours. Google cache is (was) instructive.

    Do appear to be a few posters targeted, not all on the usual suspect subject.

    Apparently Verboten (and across historical threads – have noticed retrospective deletions):

    Imminent COMEX D’fault
    B’rnard Lewis + !slamic Fundamentalism + UK !ntelligence / US F’Policy
    Anything to do with the Levant
    38 D’grees + Lewisham Hospital + C’mmon Purpose !nternational
    Matters technical on content filtering
    T’rrorism Alerts
    Ob’ma + B’nghazi

    Good to know, and to avoid for time being.

    Such removals are likely not reflecting the editorial choices of the site owner per se, but the owner may not be able to / is not required to reveal why certain postings are moderated.

    All content submitted becomes property of the site owner who can do with this whatever they wish.

    Happy holidays and stay safe ;-)

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    • 40
      Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

      ΗЅBC is not good to try either.

      I said it once but think I got away with it… :-D

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    • 50
      David Ward MP says:

      You left out the J*ews

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    • 54
      The modern English dream in Walthamstow says:

      Some of the removals were silly and the comments censored had already received responses

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      • 65
        Universal Hiss says:

        Don’t I know it!

        One post was modbotted & then arrived. Then one or two vanished overnight in reply to Tech,so it now looks if I’m talking gibberish.

        Alright you lot at the back.I know I talk gibberish sometimes.

        Very strange modding.

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    • 104
      The Official National Security Censor Assigned To This Website says:

      Silence! I kill you!

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    • 345
      An Impartial Response says:

      “Moderation” means the site is taking responsibility for everything that appears on it. That’s good for all users. Free speech doesn’t mean you can say anything you want to. The Law says so. You can’t falsely shout “fire!” in a crowded theatre with the intention of causing dangerous panic.

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  12. 18
    Living in 97.223% white Merseyside says:

    If I spot you in New Brighton Mr Fawkes, I’ll say Hi!

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  13. 33
    nellnewman says:

    Have a great holiday. May the weather be with you . Cornwall always nice this time of year – good beaches for the kids – just mind the jellyfish.

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  14. 38
    Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

    Je vous souhaite de bonnes vacances!

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  15. 39
    BBC says:

    As a clue to the masses that cannot wait until this evening, the inside of the Doctor Who time machine will be in the form of a mo sque. The new Doctor Who will sport a long black beard and will be a caliph.
    Rumours that the top of the machine will be in the shape of a minaret are purely speculative.

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    • 42
      Dr Who fanboy says:

      How many wives we’ll he have?

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    • 45
      Heel Patch says:

      Couldn’t resist:

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      • 48
        EHRC says:

        Wacist!!!

        You can expect a visit from Trevor Phillips and the NBPA in the early hours.

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      • 115
        BBC Executive says:

        We’ve decided not to put out any of his series on DVD, other than a short single DVD of politically suitable excerpts because we don’t understand the humour: it doesn’t seem to involve attacks on right wingers.

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    • 84
      Jimmy says:

      Apparently Jeremy (unt has announced that due to cuts no vacant doctor posts are to be filled. Threatened planets will be referred to a website instead.

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      • 98
        Maq­boul says:

        Of course, during Labour’s time in office, there were three or four Doctor Whos when only one would have sufficed.

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        • 119
          Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

          Quantitative Reprising?

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          • Doctor Who says:

            If only we could go back in time to 1997 and vote for anyone but Labour.

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            Que?

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          • Jimmy says:

            I think we are gong back in time.

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            Not very progressive, Jimmy.

            But we ended habeas corpus in the UK in 2005 so regressed to the early 14th century at least.

            Now, remind me, who was in power at the time?

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          • art imitates life says:

            If I remember rightly things went downhill for a while after our first socialist Dr Who, Sylvester McCoy.

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          • Jimmy says:

            “But we ended habeas corpus in the UK in 2005″

            Ok, Im bored enough to bite. What do you think that sentence means?

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          • With the introduction of the 2005 Terrorism Act, the ban on detention without charge, aka habeas corpus came to an end. The previous Labour government under Tony Blair attempted to pass a law allowing detention without charge for up to 90 days, it was the first commons defeat for New Labour, with a compromise reached at 28 days. Not sure about the situation for foreign nationals, but UK citizens have the protection of habeas corpus through our constitution, it is not within the power of parliament to remove that protection.

            Habeas corpus (Latin meaning “you are to hold the body” i.e. “you should arrest”, the conventional incipit of medieval arrest warrants in England) is a writ, or legal action, through which a prisoner can be released from unlawful detention. The remedy can be sought by the prisoner or by another person coming to his aid. Habeas corpus originated in the English legal system, but it is now available in many nations. It has historically been an important legal instrument safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary state action.

            Habeas corpus has certain limitations. It is technically only a procedural remedy; it is a guarantee against any detention that is forbidden by law, but it does not necessarily protect other rights, such as the entitlement to a fair trial. So if an imposition such as internment without trial is permitted by the law then habeas corpus may not be a useful remedy. The right to petition for a writ of habeas corpus has nonetheless long been celebrated as the most efficient safeguard of the liberty of the subject.

            http://www.theonehundredthmonkey.co.uk/categories/law-order/rights-liberties/

            You might need this one day, so bookmark.

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          • Jimmy says:

            You mean you got this pearl of wisdom off a tinfoil hat blog?

            Imagine my surprise.

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          • All the considerable scorn you have the undoubted ability to muster does not alter in the slightest way that the underlying truth is most inconvenient to the Labour party.

            Any of us here, you and I included, could fall foul of this radical legislative retrogression and you know it.

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          • Jimmy says:

            And if it weren’t for you pesky kids we’d have got away with it. Whatever it was.

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          • You are the one, Jimmy, who is trying in vain to defend a dogmatic party position, not me.

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        • 156
          BBC says:

          We timewarp our politics from 1947.

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      • 184
        JH78567567567467 says:

        Yay!

        Being generous with other people’s money!

        Yaaaay!

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    • 231
      Malcolm Tucker says:

      Oh fu.cking Daleks. Just what we fuckingwell need. Just as I am arranging for fu.cking Flash Gordoom fu.cking Broon to be installed as Lord High fu.cking saviour of this fu.cking planetary system.

      OK. Who the fu.ck fu.cked up and let the wankers in? Who let those fu.cking cu.nts into the fu.cking galaxy? If some cu.nt can fu.ck something up that cu.nt will pick the worst fu.cking time to fu.cking fuck up because that cu.nt’s a cu.nt!. And this fu.cking sonic screwdriver is as useful as a useless fu.cking prop from a fu.cking kids sci fi show. It doesn’t fu.cking work….like this fu.cing modbot.

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  16. 44
    Peter Hitchens says:

    The Government’s pretence of being resolute and decisive on immigration is a lie. It is almost as bad as New Labour’s secret decision to transform the country with migrants.

    Do they really think that hiring a couple of stupid publicity vans, fraudulently claiming that illegal migrants are in serious danger of arrest and deportation, will fool anybody? Alas, they do.

    Will you be fooled? I beg you not to be. I beg you, instead, to be angry and vengeful, and to make that revenge hurt, to vote UKIP as often as you can, to destroy the wretched ‘Conservative’ Party which so insults your intelligence.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2384272/PETER-HITCHENS-Dont-blame-immigrants–arent-ones-wrecking-Britain.html

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    • 106
      Anonymous says:

      Hes a Weasel
      Left wing activist who said nothing while Labour imported them

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      • 131
        It was all downhill from 1st may 1997 says:

        Agreed. Nobody in the media raised any complaint when New Labour was flooding the country by uncontrolled immigration just so they could all have cheap nannies and cheap wages and denigrating anybody who raised concerns as racist. But we have only ourselves to blame. We elected Labour and Blair 3 times and believed all the lies.

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        • 142
          Village Idiot says:

          ……I didn’t?

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          • Handycock from his villa in Spain (bought for him by his boys) says:

            I did even though I was a Libdem. Anyway send all the immigrants to Portsmouth. I will fix up the planning permissions for my boys who will build the blocks of flats to house them and we will all get even richer. Boaz.

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        • 245
          Living in 97.223% white Merseyside says:

          He seemed such a nice person after what we had to put up with when the Nasty Party were in power.

          And don’t forget the Boom Years (1997-2007).

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  17. 49
    Bazinga! says:

    I see the feminists are up in arms over the plan to lay a paving stone in every town and village for a WW1 solider who won the VC.

    Apparently this is unfair as no woman has ever won one and so there is now a campaign to ensure that women are represented.

    So 50% of the paving slabs will be awarded to heroic women, like Jane Austen, Polly Toynbee, Yasmin Alabi Brown, Harriet Harmen and Victoria (well she’s called Victoria) Derbyshire.

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  18. 51
    A man who has to live amongst these folk many of whom do not like old England at all. says:

    What is it about these fellows and their breeders that the political classes and the metro elite’s like? I just don’t get it.

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    • 60
      One Man One Vote says:

      They are cheap and don’t believe in the meritocracy that at one time Thatcher threatened to bring in

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    • 69
      Liberal Elites says:

      Divide and rule dear boy, well that and tax slaves to pay for the baby-boomers who couldn’t be bothered having enough children.

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  19. 52
    Bazinga! says:

    Fuck off with the modding.

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  20. 58
    Meanwhile... says:

    How do they get their robes so white?

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  21. 67
    A Reader says:

    Enjoy your holiday Guido. Come back refreshed.

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  22. 78
    Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

    Being a lover of abbey sites for their architectural and historical significance, I visited the grounds of Fort Augustus Abbey School, in the holiday period some years back, to look at the buildings.

    The monastic buildings were only begun in 1876 were completed in 1880, so they were hardly historical but I had already completed all older such sites in the British Isles and the abbey was well built at great expense and stand in a lovely setting. They became a school last century.

    Therefore, I did not linger on account of this reason, but also because I am aware of the problems of child abuse. It has today come to my notice that the danger did not come from older men coming to view the architecture from outside but from the monks within the school itself.

    It is interesting that the BBC is gleefully reporting this, as we all know, they have never had any hand in aiding and abetting child abuse.

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    • 96
      UKIP or bust says:

      Notwithstanding the Beeboid’s and other assorted churchmen.

      I don’t wonder if the moral panic over p deao ism, hasn’t rendered many well meaning men shit scared of intervening in children’s lives whom otherwise they might not only benefit but in some extreme cases might even prevent the loss of their life.

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      • 107
        Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

        Agree wholeheartedly.

        I can cite my dear departed father telling me, not long before he died at the age of 97, that he was with a group of young children after church, one of whom, a girl had sat on his lap and he suddenly noticed that his hand was on the top of her leg as an absent minded gesture of affirmation and support. I remember him telling me that he suddenly thought in horror, What if someone mistakes me for being a paedophile? He not only removed his hand but gently got her to stand up.

        My memory of this was being struck at how much as a society we were prepared to lose in order to protect against a comparatively small number of examples of real abuse. Any sense of balance appears to be irretrievably lost – for the worst.

        This is one example but I have been told by various people of dozens of similar instances.

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      • 108
        Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

        Agree wholeheartedly.

        I can cite my dear departed father telling me, not long before he died at the age of 97, that he was with a group of young children after church, one of whom, a girl had sat on his lap and he suddenly noticed that his hand was on the top of her leg as an absent minded gesture of affirmation and support. I remember him telling me that he suddenly thought in horror, What if someone mistakes me for being a pаedophile? He not only removed his hand but gently got her to stand up.

        My memory of this was being struck at how much as a society we were prepared to lose in order to protect against a comparatively small number of examples of real abuse. Any sense of balance appears to be irretrievably lost – for the worst.

        This is one example but I have been told by various people of dozens of similar instances.

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        • 175
          Anonymous says:

          The media stereotype seems to be any male and any child means danger.

          But the real ingredient is isolation. It does not matter the gender of either party. The only common factor is that it happens in a place where there is safety for the perpetrator.

          The isolation comes from society turning their back by allowing the separation of the victim from their peers.

          If we stopped concentrating on the people, and focused on never letting the vulnerable, of any type, be unmonitored we would not have a problem. The fear needs to be reversed.

          It is the organization of these institutions that facilitate the crimes. They are the actual criminals. The rest are just mentally sick and need isolation from society.

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            If you are stating that isolation gives the opportunity to those who already harbour bad intentions, then I agree.

            However, if you are stating that isolation necessarily brings about such events, regardless of the character of the adult, then I most strongly disagree.

            There are less than 1% who fall into the first category. The system treats the other 99% as if they were of the first category.

            That has only succeeded in increasing fear, limiting real kindness based on love and diminishing the value and pleasure in all our lives. It is the remorseless and pernicious effect of the PC state and I loathe it.

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          • No Excuses says:

            Let’s not give paedophiles the excuse that they are mentally ill.
            If they are mentally ill they cannot be held accountable for their crimes.
            They choose their jobs/ professions/ organizations/ institutions, carefully.

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      • 158
        Sir William Waid says:

        It’s always been the case at male boarding schools that most of the masters liked the boys too little, while the others liked them too much.

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        • 174
          Anonymous says:

          Any all male school.

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          • Old Boy says:

            That being known, the issue is, why the headmaster/board of governors don’t make a special effort to stop things getting out of hand. Why do they cover up?

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          • Roger Boyes, MA (Headmaster) says:

            And spoil the party?

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          • David Miliband says:

            Its a pity they didn’t pick me. Again.

            I am finding international rescue is a bit dull, especially after being upstaged by Parker Farage all the time.

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          • Whistleblower says:

            Old boy asks “Why do they cover up?”
            Colleagues tend to close ranks and try to protect the organisation. Think of recent scandals in government, church, banks, press, NHS, police etc.
            That’s why we need whistle blowers.

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    • 145
      Universal Hiss says:

      Have you seen what they have done to it?

      http://www.highlandclubdirect.com/index.php

      I know it’s in the Highlands but does every other hotel have to have tartan carpets & curtains? It’s so naff. I bet you can buy the whole interiors by the yard from an interior design company.

      I’ve not looked at the prices but I bet it’s not cheap & the place will be stuffed with Americans & Chinese.They like that sort of thing.

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      • 157
        Gordon McFuckwit-Bust says:

        I find it quite soothing

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      • 160
        Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

        I do not have the problem with that which I would have if they did it to, say, Fountains or Rievaulx Abbeys. For that matter Melrose, Dryburgh or even Lindores in Fife!

        The problem is that there is a large cost of upkeep and too little interest in the historical or architectural aspects of these places. Not saying I like it but I feel that our heritage is worth saving and that is one area where I do not mind the state being involved. That it brings the types you mention must help our economy considerably. It is all a matter of balance.

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  23. 79
    nellnewman says:

    Guido says he’s going on hols and the trolls have come out big time .

    What a laugh! They are utterly obsessed with rubbish – why don’t they get out and about around our beautiful coast and countryside and realise what a wonderful place we live in?!

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    • 89
      Universal Hiss says:

      If I lived any closer to the sea I’d be wet!

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    • 114
      Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

      They are either on holiday from school or can’t go away because their benefits have been stopped. So they sit on someone else’s computer and post all this muck that we are seeing.

      It is pathetic, obsessive and pointless.

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  24. 83
    Your Super Soaraway Sun says:

    Prolefeed! Get your prolefeed!

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  25. 93
    Casual Observer says:

    @TwoDogs: Are the BBC mentioning their direct link with Fort A, or just the monks angle ?

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/jimmy-savile-regular-visitor-catholic-2111397

    Just for balance.

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    • 116
      Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

      Very well spotted, CO!

      Hat tip, sir!

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    • 161
      Sir William Waid says:

      Pope Gregory VII introduced priestly celibacy in order to increase his power over the secular clergy* and reduce the influence of the monastic orders. It was a power-grab. There was never any scriptural basis for it.

      *priests who are not monks or friars.

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        Cod and chips friars says:

        What about us

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      • 170
        Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

        Politics in the Catholic church. The effect is evil.

        I could write a whole book about Saul of Tarsus…

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        • 186
          Tay King-dePisse says:

          Watch out you aren’t struck by lightning, though.
          Oh, hold on…
          Carry on– just ignore that last bit of advice.
          The chap in question did, and all seemed to work out well for him in the long run, it must be said.

          (Just as an aside, I have always wondered if Sir Leslie and Der Bingel ever seriously considered doing a biblical-epic parody called The Road To Damascus.)

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            You or I get struck by lightning and its Goodnight Vienna.

            That c*nt goes and fucks up what might have been a half decent religion.

            *Pedant’s note: Der Bingle*

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          • Tay King-dePisse says:

            Regardless of the spelling of H. Lillis Crosby’s cognomen, DID Messrs Hope and Crosby ever consider doing a mediaeval spoof called The Road To Serfdom? Or were they afraid it might mislead filmgoers into thinking it was about Waikiki Beach?

            On a related note, how many people went to see The Road To Perdition, with Tom Hanks, thinking IT was a comedy? Hey, not like TH has ever been a stranger to that sort of film…

            It’s the way I tell ‘em! I’m here all week, folks– take care, and be sure to get home safely!

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          Sir William Waid says:

          You’d have to study the subject first.

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          • Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

            You have to chose your dispute even before that.

            Was Constantine the Great great, battlefield aside? What price did he exact off Saul? Was Gibbon’s summation correct? What exactly did Saul mean by pistis?

            I could fill a book just with the questions.

            Not a fan of his, you may notice.

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          • Sir William Waid says:

            1. It depends what criteria you choose.

            2. 100,000 denarii – I have the receipt in my library.

            3. Gibbon was just a ranter, basically.

            4. Wrong question. That sort of ‘analytical’ theology is barking up the wrong tree. Bloody Germans.

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          • I have so much respect for you, Sir William. But sometimes, alas, even one’s heroes let one down.

            The receipt in my library. I would be prepared to sell it but do not expect a great deal, it will cost.

            How anyone can claim that pistis is not important is just not with the zeitgeist.

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          Saint Paul says:

          Or you could go to Amazon and choose from dozens.

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        Agnostic says:

        It was also a money grab. To stop the Church’s wealth going to the children of married clergy. In the earliest years of the church, the “clergy” were largely married men. Today, it’s the Western rite of the Roman Catholic Church that demands celibacy for Priests. The Eastern rite does not, providing they marry before becoming priests. Even in the Western rite married convert clergy can be priests. The Catholic Church says celibacy is a “discipline” not a doctrine. The sooner they get rid of that discipline the better.

        But most paedophiles are not celibate.
        You are much more likely to be abused by someone in your own family circle than by a priest.

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    Anonymous says:

    UKIP, I think you need to get Mary Portas as a member. She looks like she has been used badly by Cameron’s lot.

    First Pickles wants to block up all traffic to the town centres by allowing parking in the high street at any time and constantly.

    Then Boles wants to sell off all the shops as houses.

    No reduction in business rates for small shops. Whereas supermarkets can have large areas of their shop floor designated as non-sales areas. Even though they use the areas for entrances, cafe, trolleys, advertising, sales etc.

    New out of town shopping centres being forced through.

    Cameron, why not just call it the Tesco party! You have to start somewhere on a road to honesty.

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      Very old Cvnt says:

      Back to the 1950’s with UKIP!

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        A poor lawless place with bags of servants says:

        Back to the 1850’s with the liblabcons.

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      • 148
        Village Idiot says:

        …..50’s, before Windrush,before the EU, before 13yrs of labour and unfettered immigration,sounds like a dream,yes please,UKIP,get ready!!!!

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      • 159
        Anonymous says:

        Imagine a real country in 2025. One that has got past the “clone” marketing of mass produced overseas goods. A country where a dress, or suit, actually fits the person. Where every product is specific, and unique, for the individual. Products without the “fit all ability” of lycra and its inherent in-built obsolescence.

        We see the infancy of this concept in 3D printing and individualized covers for electronic products. We see it in take-aways and fast food. But the quality is missing. It is comical in its current tacky nature. It requires a whole world of automation and individualisation.

        But then again we could just wait in traffic queues, checkout queues and phone queues, wasting our lives in the need to have identical looks and products of our TV idols, based on product placement and propaganda. Some really need those items to be the clones they strive to be.

        For individualism, and instant supply, we need a human scale local centre in every area.

        We needs a place to meet.

        When will we ever converse in public with strangers again, attend social gatherings and interact others, discuss ideas, or should we continue down the inevitable slope of hiding behind the keypads of the future, safe in our boxes, prescribed by these unsocial misfit people who set these policies.

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        • 172
          Stella Creasy says:

          Come and live in Walthamstow. Ignore the bad bits. People live reasonably well here and they really do talk to each other and eat cake.

          (Of course, there would be more room for incomers if the place wasn’t packed out already. 14 arrests was a pathetic haul the other day. UKBA weren’t really looking).

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      The battle for town centre shopping is lost.You are flogging a dead horse. It died 10 years ago says:

      The problem is of course also parking charges…my local council has just raised parking charges (again). There is nothing in town centre worth making the journey for..let alone paying especially when another town 5 miles away has free parking and there is also two large out of town retail parks and finally do you really want to come into town to just visit charity shops or ones with boarded up windows

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        V1le Labour trashed my Country says:

        I have not used a town centre shopping area for 25 years in protest at extortionate parking charges.

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  27. 95
    0 out of 10 Anjem. The correct answer begins with a J says:

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  28. 132
    Dave Nice But Dim says:

    A nice little dispute/war with Spain over Gibraltar should be good for a few more votes to add to the immigrant van votes.

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  29. 133
    Ole Biscuit-Barrel says:

    Ok so Spain wants to charge anyone crossing the Gibralter border 50 euros and are indicating they are going to close their airspace to flights to and from Gibralter. No doubt the EU will haul the Spanish up in front of them and fine them like they did to the French when they blockaded our lamb. Oh wait a minute I believe I am mistaken.

    Well fine fill your boots Spain but keep in mind any single Spanish citizen that so much as farts on any part of British territory anywhere will be charged 50 euro.
    In addition there will be no Spanish aircraft in any British Airspace anywhere.

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      Maq­boul says:

      The Spanish have two “Gibraltars” across the water in Morocco namely Ceuta and Melilla.

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        Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

        Exactly. Have been there. They keep very quiet about them!

        In the 80s I wanted to go to Gib so took the ferry from Algeciras to Ceuta, drove to Tangiers, took the ferry to Gib and stayed for a week, then did the reverse of the above.

        It was part of my fuck you, if you want to make things difficult for us, I will still do it, whatever mentality.

        The feeble trolls on here do not even know where they are starting from.

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    • 173
      Pam Plona says:

      The Spanish government are just using it as a distraction from their corruption and economic failures.

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        Don't cry for me argentiana says:

        You would never catch us doing that

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        Jabba Le Chat says:

        Caught a snippet of the news on the English service of Spanish external broadcasting last night, where they were discussing the corruption scandal involving the Spanish prime minister, €250k being the sum involved there, and then mentioning the several hundred other corruption scandals involving politicians and government officials currently under investigation the length and breath of Spain, and under threat of closure through five year statute of limitation laws and other attempts by politicians, including the Spanish prime minister, to legislate the ongoing prosecution threats away. Then one of the journalists quite calmly threw into the conversation, that compared to the sums involved, and the scale of political corruption rampant in the UK, Spain’s problems in this area were fairly minor…

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          Matilda says:

          Sounds like you have been watching/listening to Dateline London again. Tut tut!

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          • Mon, an' ting! says:

            I like the stroppy Froggy Michelin Man on Dateline London! Never slow to get a dig in at the UK, he’s funnier than Polly Toynbee……………..or Jasmine Alibhai-Brown!!

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  30. 135
    Diane HippoBottomus says:

    I think it’s time for another tweet to stir up racial tension and imply whites are all are racists.

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      The Duke of Hoxton says:

      Tell me, Diane, what would you do with yourself if everybody was just getting along fine and black boys weren’t killing other black boys?

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      • 187
        JH78567567567467 says:

        Black on black violence does not seem to register with Abbopotamus, it’s just background radiation to Diane.

        Unless there is way to blame the honk*ys for it, don’t expect a peep from her.

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        Black boys are not prejudiced. They will kill people of any coloured skin in broad daylight on our streets.

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        fatbotts says:

        I and other black mamas would go to the wall and get shot for our black boys.

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      Immigrants are the most anti white,we don’t move into another Country and try to take over the Status Quo,we abide by their rules the word ‘racist’ has now run out of steam whomever coined it to take advantage of it politically has lost the arguement nobody is against immigrants ,its when they collectively threaten the very existence of our culture a problem arises – how many MP’s have an immigrant as a neighbour I rest my case

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        Where are Tony Blair's expenses says:

        How many LabLib MPs let poor immigrants stay in their spare rooms or park their caravans on the drive !! Thought not. They just ship them off to the northern wastes as part of their benefits for votes program.

        Just had a few days with my mum in the North West and a Rumanian family have just moved into the street. A question – how does a family get all the way from Bucharest to Bolton and get a free house and benefits.

        P.S. I have heard all the jokes about Bolton before and yes it does look like a third world town.

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      • 338
        Chinese minister for Tibetan affairs says:

        People objecting to ethnic replacement are so r@cist.

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  31. 136
    Ed Twelvety Balls says:

    Nine, eleventeen, six, threeteen, five.

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      Stephanie Flounders, BBC, Newsnight says:

      The (adorable ) Shadow Chancellor, Ed Balls, put the Tories on the back foot with a searing commentary on Chancellor Osborne’s handling of the economy.

      Speaking today on the influential GF Blog, (let me nibble your ears) Ed said, ‘Nine, eleventeen, six, threeteen, five.’

      This analysis by (big boy) Balls, one of the world’s leading economic brains, puts Osborne and Cameron under considerable pressure

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  32. 139
    Bazinga! says:

    What a shock, we have another bunch of corrupt Sp**s trying to divert attention from their disastrous economy by picking on an island full of people who’ve never harmed anyone.

    We should send a task force. I know let’s send all those feminists off Twatter.

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    • 149
      BBC news between gritted teeth says:

      More consumers think the UK economy will improve next year than those who think it will get worse, a survey has suggested. In total, 36% of people questioned by consumer group Which? believe the economy will improve in the next 12 months.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

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  34. 144
    The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

    New script for BBC Comedy: ‘Heaven on Earth’ leaked.

    Light sitcom suitable for broadcast in the 8:30 PM slot / BBC1

    Opening scene: Mixed r@ce couple, guy wearing Buddy Holly style glasses, looking like typical public sector middle income types sat on couch watching TV – a BBC news channel.

    Guy: Hey – I hate Thatcher.
    ** Laughs **
    Woman (Grinning and looking conspiratorial): You know, I was speaking with Shanza today, and apparently she died.
    ** Guy looks gob smacked – sound of audience gasping **
    Guy: Well that’s awesome !
    ** Laughs **
    (Side wall slides and Gary Gl!tter appears with band and child choir, song playing: Ding dong the which is dead. Guy / Woman have stood up and are dancing erotically, smiling. Various cuts to plastic dancing plants and mounted fish etc. Neighbours walk in, greet. Same sexes kiss, opposite sexes hug. Band withdraws behind side wall)

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    • 191
      Fat (also short for "Fatuous") Bastard MP says:

      “Mixed r@ce couple, guy wearing Buddy Holly style glasses, looking like typical public sector middle income types…”

      Now that I’m no longer wearing my “Labour Party Campaign Co-ordinator” hat, I’ll need to be seen doing SOMETHING, to prove I’m still relevant and can actually accomplish anything.

      Diane does, too, after all those ridiculous tweets of hers which have absolutely zip to do with her portfolio.

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    BROKEN BRITISH POLITICS – COLLECTIVITY
    The bigger the Lie the more believable – Goebells .A Lie will travel the World before the truth has got its pants on – Churchill .Each one of us is an Individual,with Individual thoughts,tastes and opinions we affiliate with like minded groups because our basic instinct is to group together for a better chance of Survival or Defence.Politics have created a divide instead of cohesion between the classes,over the last 30 years Lies ,Deceit and corruption have become more apparent within Politics and the working class ‘voice’ has become less heard .Why ? Because the majority of the Public are too fearful to admit the truth that we do not live in a Democracy and that all is not as portrayed by Politicians and the controlled Media. At present there is a D notice on what the Media can tell us,so they fill us with even more BS to feed our appetite for ‘news’ .
    Welfare Reform was instigated under Thatcher ,negotiated further by Blair and implemented by Cameron,that is researchable fact.The Draconian Atos Assements,the Bedroom Tax ,the new Working Regulations ,the illegal Unums finger in many Government pies have all led to individual cases of immoral at times illegal at others and death in some instances just for a Minority to get further control over us.
    Since the Coalition there have sprung up thousands of action & support groups but only a few are successful and on a limited front,why? Because we the Public are too busy arguing amongst ourselves who is right and who is wrong and missing the basic point altogether.
    Like it or not we now live in a Police state whereby corrupt deceitful Politicians hide behind it, it was only last year the Police wanted the right to go on strike .Off duty they have the same basic values as us but working collectively they have their job to do to maintain Public Order.Anyone could be arrested and held for 28 days and on the 28th day taken to a Closed Court and be dealt with without anyone knowing.
    That is where we the Public should learn a lesson from ,maintain your individuality and ask yourself what has Politics done for me or my family.Collectively they have done the same to the majority of us and that is the only way to let our true feelings be known – collectively. http://brokenbritishpolitics.simplesite.com

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    And dd the Conservatives stand for marriage between homosexuals? says:

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    Anonymous says:

    Will Owen Jones be the new Dr Who? He’s been quiet on twitter today.

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  38. 193
    Chuka I like to suck bug cocks Umunna says:

    When is the gutter press going to write about Chuka’s frequenting of gay saunas in London and Manchester? That boy’s had more cock up him than a children’s home inmate. And he goes looking for it – looking forward to the photos of him falling out of a bush George Michael style on Hampstead Heath

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    a non says:

    Happy holidays big G.
    Nothing like a seaside holiday.
    Hoping the least of your worries is sand in all the wrong bits.
    Not sure about UK or Ireland now with the hotter weather but sea urchins [usually found abroad] are something to be avoided. Spent many a holiday sucking the barbs out of my daughter’s feet with the excuse that kisses from Daddies always makes them better.

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  40. 207
    Zoe Ball says:

    Join me tonight on BBC 1 at 7pm in which the next actor to play Dr Who is revealed!
    Female, black, gay or disabled you can be sure s/he will be a life long labour party supporter and red to the core!

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    • 292
      You could do with a doctor says:

      Except it turned out to be a white male over 50. Don’t you right wing loons get tired of your monotonous and feverishly paranoid rants about gay black disabled etc etc? Just like you all said there was no way the bbc would allow Bradley Wiggins to win Sports Personality and that they’d rig it to go to black lesbian disabled immigrant. In the end, it went to Bradley Wiggins. You only serve to make yourselves look insane.

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  41. 211
    Mong Watch says:

    I do wish the mongs who are tweeting death threats all over would stop.

    Wait until the IPO is over, and then let folk know so they can short the hell out of Twitter.

    If people are going to post abuse, they should at least profit from it.

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  42. 213
    WORST TORY PARTY EVER says:

    I see the Spanish are revolting ! over Gibraltar
    Quick Dave send over the Nimrods to keep an eye on the greasy bastards !
    Oh i forgot you scrapped them
    Never mind send over a few Harriers that should make them think again
    Oh i forgot you scrapped them
    Right , well send an Aircraft carrier and anchor it of the coast that will show them
    Oh i forgot you scrapped them
    Well never mind send a couple of battalions of soldiers to strengthen the garrison
    Oh i forgot you made them all redundant
    Well OK send our last two troops over in a rowing boat , they can sail around the harbour waving pointy sticks at them , that’ll show em

    I say chaps the solution is easy !, I’ll offer them all peerages , that usually gets one out of a spot What !

    God help us if the other Spanish speaking lot decide to invade the Falklands

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  43. 219
    Don't Vote Labour says:

    Another unintended consequence of mass immigration:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-23568236

    How is this linked ?

    With the additional burden of those who have been needlessly added, this probably caused the delays and extra ‘busy’ conditions which led to the confrontation and death.

    With the numbers let in, it is credible to suggest that without those extra bodies, the car park would have been less busy and the whole experience less stressful for the elderly pair involved.

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    • 241
      WORST TORY PARTY EVER says:

      We not only have to deal with our “Eastern European , Asian , Arab ,African Chinese , and god knows what else that is already here
      On Saturday i was at a car wash where the washers were Ecuadorian nationals not a one of which could speak one word of English

      I think it’s time to privatize the UK border agency and pay them on commission

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    • 253
      A shopping trolley says:

      That is a very tenuous theory

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  44. 222
    The Pork Sword of Justice says:

    The best thing this weekend is that Brian “the Tw*t” Levenson is revealed as the craven tool of the Establishment that most of us suspected he is.

    Hey brian you useless cnut- the legal firms are much worse than Murdoch’s lot but you turned a blind eye to it.

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      nellnewman says:

      The one good thing to come out of these Inquiries is that both Leveson and Hutton are left permanently discredited and tainted by having held these whitewash inquiries.

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  45. 223
    Comment is Free But There Are Limits says:

    So the Grauniad/Observer have deleted all comments on their article “Tony Blair sees growing grounds for even greater personal profit in the Middle East”, which seemed to be equally and almost unanimously condemnatory from both left and right.

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    • 225
      The Pork Sword of Justice says:

      Yes – you have to wonder whether the grinning con artist has got photos of Polly Pot honking off Rusbridger

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      nellnewman says:

      bliar = the one man to have made £millions out of a tragic war.

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  46. 238
    Anonymous says:

    Boles has had his removed.

    ‘The more redundant barns that can be converted into homes for young families, the more we can protect green fields from development.’

    Converting barns is the biggest loss of the greenbelt currently. As soon as they are complete they build a new barn. There are no redundant barns. They are just unused, as the farm land is not being farmed. As soon as they are converted a new barn and mandatory stable is built only to be converted again in due course.

    Most of the barns are for car collections or other hobbies. There are only 2 out of 10 new ones around here used for agriculture.

    The biggest help to young families in the area would be to stop multiple houses being knocked into one big house. Most of the old farms are now single dwellings and form second homes. Now that most are up for sale, they are beyond the cost of young families.

    The best help would be to allow conversion of these back to their original cottages without permission. 5 Cottages in one row are now one large house. Each barn conversion surrounds itself with a “garden”. Conversion of fields to gardens is not being enforced against. So the once farming area is now a set of gardens separated by green fields. There is no need for young families as there is no work. The farms are simply toys for the wealthy. (or not so wealthy looking at the number of repossessions)

    But these changes are not about young families are they?

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    • 243
      Anonymous says:

      The conversion cost of a barn are so high that it would not be an affordable house for a young family. This policy is a fake. Obviously he has a friend with a conversion appeal.

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        The Prince of Darkness says:

        Boles is the sort of closeted woofter that gives homosexuality a bad name – he’s basically a Tory version of “Underpants” Bryant.

        If Cameron wasn’t such a nancy boy people like Boles would be restricted to washing elephants

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    The dangers of positive feedback loops with negative propaganda says:

    As a casual observer there certainly seems to be an awful lot of shall we say, negative sentiment being expressed. This is not just here, but generally.

    The tweeting activities of certain MPs has at best been provocative. As have certain recent peerage reviews, lack of action on a whole raft of issues, and some enlightened PR campaigns involving vans.

    It is good to get vitriol out.

    It is also good to be aware that a large amount of this negative feeling is being deliberately fomented at present by the media in the population, and at the individual level.

    The state needs an excuse to take action against the people. This is needed in order to cover up its own mistakes, move its own agenda forward and recapture command of public opinion.

    As the soft methods continue to fail, stronger coercion will be required: An excuse will be needed to enable this and peoples sense of personal doubt / guilt will disarm them on the doorstep when that happens.

    This is not preaching against anyone’s right to freedom of expression, or a comment on anyone making comments online or otherwise. The suppression of debate on certain issues has created a lot of tension / pressure among people which is at that point where it requires release.

    Controlling this release on an individual level is a very wise move, and everyone should do this: Within the law, and without causing actual physical harm to anyone. It is a personal thing, unbelievably powerful, and your individual responsibility.

    Remember that negative feelings to those of differing cultures / appearance is very natural and normal: It is an evolved part of human nature which stems from the tribal instinct. This is hardwired deep in the basal ganglia, and there is not much one can do about it except recognize it and learn to control it.

    Managing this instinct is important when others wish to exploit it for their own ends. This is a personal issue which cannot be generalized.

    All individuals should be free to manage this aspect of human nature without sense of shame or guilt, and also without resorting to direct harm against those we naturally feel adverse to. They should also be free to express these feelings and discuss with anyone without fear of recrimination.

    Using higher negative emotions to keep this base instinct in check will ultimately fail as the base instinct has a much stronger hold on the individual.

    Denying this way the expression of these deeper feelings leads directly to depressive disorders, up to and including suicide. It is an unstable strategy as it is avoiding management and should be avoided.

    Channeling the negative energy at those who created this situation, being constructive about this – ie. Replacing them and changing the prevailing status quo democratically and humanely, is a smart solution. As is each individual expelling the flawed model for management and self identifying and dealing with their true inner self.

    The genoc!de in Rw@nda should be kept in mind.

    How did that happen ?

    A positive feedback loop of a negative propaganda campaign orchestrated through the media, playing on the base instincts of man caused that: Transformed regular folk from simple villagers into a fairly effective, lethal and decisive killing machine, which afterwards was left feeling guilty and not really understanding what had just happened.

    This could happen in the UK very easily, as it could anywhere else.

    Those who are trying to do this now in the UK should be publicly identified, held under the spotlight, and through official channels have their credible media platforms removed, and be removed from public life.

    This is not meant to be a rant against free speech or advocating censorship, but is an observation relating to the psychological operation which appears to be underway in the UK at present, and an attempt to pinpoint some of the flaws of the ‘PC’ model that has been foolishly pushed on people.

    It also reflects a period of personal reflection after having myself had some fairly negative feelings stimulated by the press over the past few weeks.

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      Living in 97.223% white Merseyside says:

      I read this today in The Star!

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      Anonymous says:

      Do you mean they are being brainwashed. They do not know it is happening and when they realise it has occurred they will be “lost”. Their faith in that others are protecting them while they concentrate on their work will have vanished.

      In China there was the Great Leap Forward. It was a wealth by a different route idea. A majority of the people believed and did what was asked of them. Yet more than 20 Million people died.

      That left a terrible mark on those people and the generation that followed.

      Do not be a believer in government. Question everything. They are incompetent and dishonest, and have be proven so, many times.

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        It doesn't matter if a cat is black or white, if you are the rat being chased says:

        The GLF led to the cultural revolution, an event which really does have parallels with Rwanda.

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      Springbok says:

      I really enjoyed your post. I have been back home now for five years and the one thing that is killing me is the negativity. Fighting it is hard. When you are a free spirit, being here is like being crushed, trapped, it is so hard to fight, day after day of the Government are doing this and the Government are doing that. Like a thumb on your head.

      Very soon I will be of again, I would rather live on my wits and motivate myself, rather than being told what is going on in my life by the BBC and the flaming Government. I was born a free spirit and I will die a free spirit.

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    nellnewman says:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/44c77ec6-fb97-11e2-8650-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2b2ARnSZ0

    I see labour’s summer ‘plan’ , whilst militwit is in hiding is to attack the fall in living standards.

    ++++Laugh++++

    labour = the keystone cops of uk politics!

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    • 258
      Sleazo Paines says:

      So let’s see. We have;

      Labour – Keystone Kops
      Boris Johnson – Cabbage Patch doll
      Parker Farage – Thunderbirds puppet
      David Cameron – Lord Snooty
      Gobby Gove – Plug
      Lord Cashbox of DeSleaze – Ernst Blofeld

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      I can't remember a time when the Labour party stood for anything honest says:

      Not quite. The Keystone Cops had no malicious intent.

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    Anonymous says:

    I see that Guido has missed the best story of the week. Guido visited a proctologist only to be asked by the good doctor which end he was expected to examine.

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    • 256
      The English Patient says:

      No-one has been properly examined on the NHS for years. The doctors simply don’t care about check-ups and preventative medicine.

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      • 260
        Anonymous says:

        That is a cruel and shocking allegation to make. Guido would never sink to mixing with the revolting masses and using the NHS.

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  50. 262
    Mong Frankie Boyle says:

    Interesting that no one noticed my Daily Mirror style retarded joke about UKIP

    But that would raise the question of why a pro “wealth creator” paper would have an anti-Semitic far left “comedian” write articles for it?

    Unless of course I am a “wealth creator” and, like all other rich people, only create wealth for myself

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    The dangers of positive feedback loops with negative propaganda says:

    @Anonymous: Some are trying to brainwash us, and to create a reaction.

    Some facts about us humans:

    i) We are the dominant primary apex predator on this planet
    ii) We are social and have a strong herding instinct
    iii) We for sure are the most lethal
    iv) Generally we do not like taking lives of others: This is the primary challenge of military training and conditioning. Even with that, many ex-service who have seen active duty are not the same afterwards.
    v) We are a product of evolution, and will under the right circumstances revert to instinctive behavior and thinking without exception.

    So – To your point on terrible mark after such an event: Absolutely.

    When the herd gets going in this way, it is pretty much impossible to stop.

    As regards brainwashing: Yes – of sorts.

    To put a population into this state is very easy if that population is susceptible.

    A susceptible population is one which is unaware of what is really happening and finds their subconscious / instinctive side manipulated into a certain state.

    That manipulation is simple with mass media, and the right types of suggestion / propaganda.

    The only way to counter this form of manipulation is to be aware of it, and to be in control of yourself and that involves truly understanding yourself. Even then you should recognize that you will remain susceptible as our default mode of behavior is very much instinctive.

    The biggest danger facing UK society at present, with the high level of immigration, is that political correctness has bottled some fairly dangerous feelings in the native population, and the introduced population has not been educated about this side of their nature.

    You should be able to see precisely what could happen if the right buttons are pressed, and those buttons are being tickled at present.

    It is of primary importance to have those who are doing this identified and removed from their positions of influence, and for people to become aware of what is going on so as individuals can understand their feelings without shame and recognize when they are being manipulated.

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      Casandra says:

      Er, the most important thing is to stop any more immigration. If it carries on at this rate there will be a human tragedy on an epic scale.

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        Fuck the LibLabCon says:

        I agree but they won’t, their collective cowardice and arrogance will not let them change direction. So I say let ‘em get on with it, because it’ll be those very politicos swinging from the lamp posts first.

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          Casandra says:

          All very well, and possibly even a desirable side effect, but this is an island. If shit hits the fan, people will have nowhere to run to. It will be ghastly.

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  52. 265
    Hoot's! It's Clown says:

    Nurse was wrong, my poo tastes delicious. Why won’t they untie me?

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  53. 271
    Guy News Room says:

    We can confirm that Owen Jones definitely i’nt the new Doctor Who. Sorry to disappoint loves.

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  54. 278
    Lucinda The Troll says:

    Whist Mr, Fawkes is away, where will Mr. Cole be? Couldn’t he provide the lifeblood for a week or two?

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    The dangers of positive feedback loops with negative propaganda says:

    @Casandra: Agreed: But that needs to be done within a positive constructive framework. So far everything has been very negative.

    This framework should be put together very quickly, incidentally. It should be considered to be a high priority for Government, and those with concerns should be on at their MPs about this 24×7.

    eg. Reason to change policy on immigration: The UK has enough people with skills required for its economy, and is lose to the limits of what public services can provide for.

    – This is credible, honest, and should not be spun to any other reason.

    Further:

    Reason for dealing with illegal immigrants: These people are essentially outside the UK state. It is irresponsible for society to allow them to continue here. As they are not formally registered with the state, the state cannot extend regular protection to them as the state has no formal knowledge of them. As a result they will be easy targets for victimization and exploitation.

    They should be dealt with compassionately, and if found to be unable to economically support themselves here be deported.

    – This is not one of the ‘isms’ and the state cannot fix this problem immediately due to its nature. Breaking down the fear factor felt by the illegals is a good idea, which is the primary reason why the van stunt is actually somewhat bad.

    The biggest problem is not today, but tomorrow. The demographic timebomb which is now ticking is unstoppable, and looking ten to fifteen years ahead it is difficult to see a positive outcome.

    On that basis as well the current immigration policy does need to be changed immediately, in order to avoid the excess of a real tragedy as you speculate about. Your speculation is not hyperbole.

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      No Amnesty says:

      “Reason for dealing with illegal immigrants: These people are essentially outside the UK state. It is irresponsible for society to allow them to continue here. As they are not formally registered with the state, the state cannot extend regular protection to them as the state has no formal knowledge of them. As a result they will be easy targets for victimization and exploitation.

      They should be dealt with compassionately, and if found to be unable to economically support themselves here be deported.”

      Er, They are criminals, breaking the law. If they will one law, they will break others. They must be removed as they are a threat to the social fabric. They also contribute nothing to the common good, pay no taxes but are a drain on over-stretched social and health resources and housing stock. Illegal immigrants, whether they support themselves or not, drive up rents and drive down wages.

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  56. 281
    Is Claire going to ruin Geedo's Holiday? says:

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    • 283
      Is Claire going to ruin Geedo's Holiday? says:

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        Black and Blue says:

        At least Ed Mili will be pleased. Tory MP takes right wing blogger to law for exposing pornographic material on her hacked web site.

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      • 290
        Don't Worry says:

        Idle threats from a silly bitch who understands very little.

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    • 291
      The Public says:

      Why don’t we have a right of recall? This woman is too stupid to be allowed to pass laws.

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      I can remember a time when the Conservative party stood for something honest says:

      Difficult to know which is the more useless as an MP – Claire Perry or Maria Miller.

      What we’ve got is a ‘Conservative’ party largely made up of a bunch of lickspittles who know next to nothing about the subjects they mouth off about.
      That sounds like Common Purpose strategy to me.
      The sooner the whole bloody lot get locked up the better.

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  57. 288
    Dr Who says:

    This is my fucking Tardis and don’t you fucking forget it.

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  58. 294
    person of colour--creamy pinkish fawn really says:

    Charge all spaniards a daily charge for working in the UK, stuff EU rules, there are plenty of others to serve paella when they quickly leave.

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  59. 297
    Fishy says:

    Now we have the new rules on trolling and internet abuse of wimmin and I don’t want to spend the rest of my life in one of Harriet Harman’s castration and re-education facilities….I’m not allowed to comment on the dopey bint (whoever she is) doing the paper review on Sky.

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    • 299
      A Blogger says:

      Oddly enough I have had immense fun on the internet without ever feeling the need to threaten to rape or kill anyone.

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    • 302
      Ying and Yang says:

      She’s the Claire Perry of the left.

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        person of colour--creamy pinkish fawn really says:

        Classic comment from a well regarded old Tory MP, Sir…, “everything she touches turns to dust.” Memorable.

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    Umunna the Union Man says:

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    A retweet by Perry. As suspected she is actually saying Pornography is the cause of child abuse. says:

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    • 312
      Anon says:

      Sadly, as we have seen today and in many recent cases, child abuse has been going on long before the internet age.

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        Anonymous says:

        +1

        Perry’s message is so confused because Perry is so confused about what she is trying to achieve. She does realise that child abuse is illegal as are the web sites that show it?

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  62. 305
    Dweeb says:

    Interesting one from TrendingCentral. Labour is selling Ramadan greetings cards with come-on messages on the back including the boastful “Labour created the first state funded Muslim faith school”.

    Could this be the same Labour that is obsessed with abolishing faith schools?

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    • 309
      person of colour--creamy pinkish fawn really says:

      What about madrassa indoctrination centres, down to them as well?

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    End Impunity says:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/soca-chief-and-senior-met-police-officer-misled-mps-overbluechip-hacking-saga-8745581.html

    I wondered what SOCA was for. It seems that they were spending their time covering up organized crime on an industrial scale.

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  64. 308
    person of colour--creamy pinkish fawn really says:

    Why does the weatherperson on the BBC always tell you to go online for the details. You tell me FFS, you lazy Hunt.

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    Unlucky for some. says:

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    On the matter of the matter.... says:

    There was no hyperlink published on the article: There was a picture which included an image of a url.

    No hyperlink was ‘hosted’ on this site. An image was.

    Wayback machine cached that url, so it was publicly available that day:

    h**p://web.archive.org/web/*/h**p://cla!reperry.org.uk/*

    (Adjust url to locate)

    Wayback machine reveals two files available on the 24th:

    calls/image_manager.php
    and
    calls/image-manager.php

    These were not found previously, the ‘goatse’ image was.

    The wayback machine has captured a rough timeline of what was changed and when if the hosting company are unable to provide detail.

    PoliticsWeb is proprietary to Liberty Tech, who provide bespoke software on an application service provider basis. ie. Liberty Tech host the site and the software. The software itself is closed source, and clearly php.

    h**p://www.politicsweb.co.uk/home

    Liberty Tech, who CP will have the contract with, should be able to disclose the logs with IP details and what was happening on their server.

    Have not confirmed the remote OS of Liberty Tech’s hosting server.

    Would guess a standard LAMP configuration, so there should be plenty of evidence in their log files.

    There is an interesting URL captured in Wayback machine on 25 July:

    h**p://www.cla!reperry.org.uk/%E2%80%8E

    This strongly suggests that PoliticsWeb is WordPress based, and the odd url (which causes error) happens when you copy paste title from MS Word.

    Common error:

    h**p://stackoverflow.com/questions/10342012/wordpress-putting-e2808e-at-the-end-of-my-url-howcome

    They do appear to be running Apache server for hosting, and their software appears to be otherwise closed source (despite WordPress hint).

    NB: All of the information above was determined without accessing the affected site directly, and using Google / publicly accessible information as indicated.

    Confirmation of home page to identify PoliticsWeb was via Google Cache copy.

    curl -I run against a separate page determined remote server type.

    Remote IP for the PoltiicsWeb hosting is: 84.18.210.114

    The original blog article here is still available on this blog.

    The service provider should review their security surface / implementation and close the gap(s) which allowed this compromise.

    Hope this is of help.

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    On the matter of the matter.... says:

    Oh – and hat tip to PoliticsWeb for the following function call on CP’s page:

    showStupidEUcookieLawMessage();

    Perhaps they should augment to :

    showReasonToVoteUKIPEUcookieLawMessage()

    LOL :-D

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    • 327
      Tachybaptus says:

      Hmm, looking at the PoliticsWeb top page, I saw this claim: ‘We combine outstanding design with our unique content management system which allows you to manage and update your own website at any time.’ Since this system is designed to be used by politicians, most of whom are completely without technical skill, it sounds as if you could hack any of their sites merely by using an eavesdropped or guessed password.

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        have you noticed how the Islamic for Allah looks like the Loch Ness monster ? says:

        did you know that you can break a fiber optic cable read the data as it comes along and weld it back together ?

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        • 329
          have you noticed how the Islamic for Allah looks like the Loch Ness monster ? says:

          a friend of mine was a private eye, I used to go sit in his office and hear tales of subterfuge, there is no point enquiring spooks because he is now dead.
          but he did tell me some funny stories. I think licensing those guys is a mistake, characters who will put 2 fingers up to authority need to be encouraged in my opinion.

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          • have you noticed how the Islamic for Allah looks like the Loch Ness monster ? says:

            I remember now the spooks actually visited his office looking for tips

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          One of Cameron's Cabinet ministers says:

          All you have to do is tie a knot in the cable when you’re finished.

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          • have you noticed how the Islamic for Allah looks like the Loch Ness monster ? says:

            a few years ago the electricity people were busy hanging a cable all along the middle of the pylons.
            “What is that you are doing ? ” I ask
            “Oh that is the transatlantic cable”

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  68. 332
    Ed Eleventy Balls says:

    Socialist Man cannot live by lasagne alone.

    In spite of what you may have heard, I am very partial to Dim Sum.

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    On the matter of the matter... says:

    @Tachybaptus: I would agree with you, and disagree with the claims about outstanding design. Am fairly certain this is just a WordPress clone. and it is using a fairly old version of jQuery.

    The upload module which is likely installed to allow the user to put image content and documents to their pages could be compromised in this manner – by password attack. Password likely does not have fail out – ie. can be tried infinite times, which would be easy to beat using dictionary lookups as CP is likely to have a weak password.

    (CP: If you read this – a good strategy for strong password: Pick an easy non personal word, and 4 digits, not your pin, birth date or address. Combine together and switch some characters in the word to non-alpha / caps. Eg.: Word = shouty Number=3425 Strong password = Sh0uty!3425 or 3425$H0uty! : If your password was done this would protect you long term. For strong passwords moving forward, change your digits or the word, and then just associate one of each with the purpose. Don’t use the password shown here.)

    Usual error with upload scripts is malformed url susceptibility. If the server handler is not written correctly it is relatively easy for the attacker to upload to anywhere on the file system.

    The cardinal sin @ PoliticsWeb could be this + they are likely running their Apache as root in non chrooted environment. That would be a sloppy config, and even the lesser serious but weak variations on this would generally leave your file system wide open to the weak script.

    Looking at the Wayback log it looks like the malicious script was uploaded and then switched to part of the file system which should not have been accessible directly. The folder it was placed in was likely created for the purpose as well.

    CP’s claims of ‘Ghosting’ do not hold any water as that clearly did not happen: There would have been a lot more reported in the Wayback log in that event.

    Apache logs at PoliticsWeb should show the source IP, and if that was the access method the exact detail will be in the WordPress audit logs, assuming they have these switched on and the attacker did not use the same weakness to delete them.

    Checking the upload script to make sure that any move / copy / rename / directory manipulation methods are also suitably secured is required. The classic error is to allow relative paths: They should be prevented server side, as well as client side.

    Second level of security is restricting size of file, types of file and location to where files can be uploaded. Sanity checking the request headers is also a smart move to prevent buffer overflow attacks.

    Third level alludes to Apache / file system configs.

    Given this weakness, the database may have been similarly compromised through SQL injection. Anyone using Politicsweb would be well advised to change their password, and demand that their service provider detail what has been done.

    RSA SecureID dongles are fairly cheap these days, and would provide an effective solution.

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      Two Dogs of Empiricism says:

      For CP, if she is reading. Good advice above. To make it even harder to crack, use curly brackets, square brackets, parenthesis thus:

      }{ ][ )(

      and other such punctuation symbols. Note that I have not used them in the conventional order. Indeed, you do not have to use them in pairs at all but may intersperse at will.

      There are some characters you cannot use but, hey, you are the expert, aren’t you? I surely don’t have to tell you that. You should know all this stuff anyway. If you don’t, then maybe you are not in a position where you should be advising…

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    gramma says:

    Missing Guido already, especially with the site comments [ however intelligent] starting to resemble Hi Tech Computer World’s IT Security Tips for Beginners.
    Fortunately going to Hi Tech Computer World [ that well know site for 'tittle tattle, gossip and political rumours] they are reporting that Ms Perry has deleted a couple of her libellous tweets aimed at Guido.
    What is the world coming too?

    Same old same old- Dont let debuggers get you down. :)

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  71. 340
    Owen Jones says:

    “Take me down to the paradise city where the girls are green and the grass is pretty”

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    From the camp site on the Adriatic says:

    From the camp site yesterday. Marta sends her regards to all windowlickers at order-order.com:

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    +++++++++++????+++?++++++=:,..,,,,~=::==+=~+=~~~~~~~~~~~~
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    ++++++++??????+?????++++++~,:...,,:~~:=,+~~~+~~~~~~~~~~~~
    +++++++++????????????+++++~,,,,,..::,~::=~~==~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ++++++++??????????????++?+:,,::~.,,,,.,:~=+?+~~~~~~~~~~~~
    +++++++++????????????++?+=:,~,::,,,:::::==+II~~~~~~~~~~~~
    ++++++++????????????????+=::,:.,:~=====+===?II~~~~~~~~~~~
    +++++++?????????????????++:,:~~==+++???+=+=+?7~~~~~~~~~~~
    ++++++++???????????????+:,:~+++++??I???=~==+?I~~~~~~~~~~~
    +++++++????????????????::,:~==++?IIII?=::~=+?I~~~~~~~~~~~
    ++++++++????????+?+,,::::,,:~=+??III?+=,:~=+?7~~~~~~~~~~~
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    ++++++++++++??????????,::::::=++???+=====::~+I7~~~~~::::~
    ++++++++++++??????????,,::::~=+????=++====::+II~~~~:::::~
    

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  73. 343
    Mumms net- Holiday tips for surviving foreign sparkling whines. says:

    What is it about Brits abroad that makes holidaying a matter of more death than life.
    1 Look left then right before crossing a road , but watch out for the motorbike using the pavement.
    2 Safety harnesses should be worn when viewing the panorama from your apartment balcony.
    3 Car foot pedals invites a false sense of security when the stick shift and stearing wheel have been positioned on the wrong bl**dy side of the car.
    4 Forget indicators when driving.Continual use of hazard lights more effective than attempting hand signals and punching your front seat passenger [usually the wife or girlfriend hiding behind the street map is not condusive to getting there in the end..
    5 Macho Policemen in calf boots and figure hugging strides are just as nasty as the fat plod at home.
    6 Drinking Water from plastic bottles damages your health. Think endocrine disruptor.
    7 A chaser, before or after a foreign beer is not an adequate contraceptive and has only limited effects at protection from an STD [ except for those who can't then get it up.]
    8 Ice blocks in drinks usually come from the local water supply. Broad spectrum antibiotics a great benefit here especially for those succeeding at point 7.
    9 Slip on flip-flops and beach sandels are no protection for lower limbs when fellow tourists rarely in charge of a loaded supermarket trolley are present in abundance.
    10 Local cannabis is often just a crushed oxo cube with provencal herb smell for effect. For those smoking resynthesised camel dung- good luck.
    Make it a safe one, but have a nice holiday.

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    thought for the day says:

    Will we be getting a Monday morning cartoon now that Guido has taken his youthful cartoonistas away on holiday?

    Should Rich be an actual person and indeed offer us one of his extravaganzas, with the lack of news in the world I am guessing a cobbled up political Dr Who theme.

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You know where the animals are looking through the Farmhouse window?

My TV screen was that window at lunch-time today.

Be careful, the sudden self-congratulatory tone, the slightly pudgy outline of indulgence and you become exactly what you should despise.

The jolly face of the Quisling Cameron poses for your camera has mesmerised and deceived you, you who were once not so deceived.

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