July 17th, 2013

Change in Paywall Linking Policy

With the coming of Sun+ next month, where readers will be charged to read the paper online, four national newspaper websites will now be behind a paywall. As of August the Times, FT, Telegraph and Sun will be asking readers to pay for content. Even if the “Digital First” Telegraph’s attempt at keeping out cheapskates is amusingly easy to dodge by going incognito, this means that four of the papers Guido is most likely to link to are now paywall protected. So it is time for a change of linking policy. Guido has previously tended not to link to paywall sites on Seen Elsewhere, using a ‘£’ sign on the rare occasions that links are given. Since so many papers have now succumbed to a paywall this no longer makes sense. So links will now be given to paywall sites as they would non-paywall sites, without a ‘£’ sign. If you are unable to remember if a website is behind a paywall, that is your problem.

Incidentally, it is still Guido’s view that websites without unique content won’t make a success of charging for that content online. The audience is still out on that one…


103 Comments

  1. 1
    Lord Stansted says:

    Will not make a shred of difference. That newspapers think they can make money by means of a paywall indicates just how much they do not understand the Internet.

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    • 10
      Lord Sir Domly Dom says:

      I still have not bought a subscription to any online news site. I can get most of their content free elsewhere, and any opinion page, is read by so few people anyway to make no real difference to policy at all. They will be read by even fewer people behind a firewall and so that renders whatever they contain, worthless information as it will have no influence whatsoever on policy or public opinion.

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      • 12
        Lord Stansted says:

        +1

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      • 75
        Englishman says:

        It’s quite convenient really, stops me spending too much time on the web just browsing the papers. A quick look at the first few lines on the articles on the Times page for example tell one all one really needs to know.

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      • 89
        Mrs Havisham says:

        If all newspapers retreat behind a paywall I doubt if I would return to buying them, except for my local paper. Newspapers are poor value in my opinion because most of a newspaper remains unread. Personally, for example, I never read the sports pages, or property pages. Then in our newspaper purchasing days my OH had to take trip to the council tip to dispose of piles of old newspapers. I do think that good journalists deserve to be paid. I have taken out a subscription to a political magazine, which I think produces well researched in depth articles. . However newspaper journalism in my opinion is simply shallow shouty propaganda, from one side or another.

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    • 11
      Four Square Man says:

      That is glib horseshit. What else are they supposed to do? Don’t tell me…”but news is free on the internet.” let’s see how much non-BBC news you get for free in ten years

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      • 13
        Bazinga! says:

        Well the more news sites that go behind the paywall the more those who don’t can influence public opinion.

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      • 21
        Lord Stansted says:

        They should get out of the newpapers business – it’s dead. You have to ask yourself what is news for. If it’s *real* information you want, which I define as money sensitive then you need to be in the market, not reading a newpaper. If it’s gossip you want then go down to the pub or join the WI.

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      • 29
        Fart In My Whitbread says:

        Are you wearing brown lipstick or are you just talking shit? People will not pay for online news, old man Rupert found out when he launched that “Daily” thing for the iPad, that went well for old bollock head didn’t it? Any one with any sense who wanted to read a Sun exclusive, say, for example that the singer from Coldplay was bumming some old spunker from America they would simply use Twitter to find out. Yeah it’s a bit shit for real journalists but they are a fucking rare breed these days anyway, so either they adapt or let them fucking starve I say.

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      • 65
        David Cameron Is A Cunt says:

        BBC News is NOT free, we still pay for it via the Licence Fee and other Government subsidy. Just like that other lefty shibboleth, the NHS, it is free at the point of delivery to people who already pay through the nose for it in other ways.

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        • 81
          Anonymous says:

          Would not call ITV News totally free – still have to put up with mind-rotting ads. Go compare!

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        • 85
          Enouch says:

          It’s also free at the point of delivery to people who don’t pay in other ways.

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          • End of Part One says:

            Read somewhere that ITV promised it would not let adverts interrupt its’ shows – so it cut them into parts. It’s legal, but is it right?

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        • 100
          Leonid McCluski says:

          Morning Star – now there’s a good newspaper. Where else can you find up-to-date tractor stats?

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    • 18
      PC Dixon says:

      As long as The Mail is free whats the problem – and its by far the best newspaper site online. – still plenty of other options and of course theres always GUIDO for the real news.

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      • 36
        Stefan Dennis says:

        Jesus H fucking Christ on a bike, what sort of c’u’nt are you? You must be a real pig to that fucking thick. The Mail? The best? Please do not breed.

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        • 39
          fruitcake says:

          I think it’s about to be renamed either the Daily Kardashian or Daily WAG….well it should be

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        • 66
          David Cameron Is A Cunt says:

          Whether or not the Mail’s site is the “Best” is a purely subjective matter and just ‘cos you don’t like it that doesn’t make PC Dixon’s assertion wrong.

          What is absolutely unarguable however is that the Mail online is the most visited news website in the entire world so they are at least doing something that people do actually want.

          Shame that it is so much more left wing than the print edition though.

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        • 86
          Enouch says:

          It most certainly is the best newspaper website. Not a great paper, but their website is way ahead of all the competition.

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      • 82
        Anonymous says:

        Since when did the words “GUIDO” and “real news” have anything in common?

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    • 87
      Robin Friday says:

      What is this £ sign you speak of? I’ve never encountered such a symbol on “seem elsewhere” ever.

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  2. 2
    Gidiots Housing Bubble says:

    standard of journalism would have to increase by a massive factor. Not many will pay for Press Release rehashing and VI propaganda. Can get that for free from the BBC.

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  3. 3
    Johan Hari says:

    Incidentally, it is still my view that websites without unique content won’t make a success of charging for that content online.

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  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    just say your paid by the sun and you have to agree

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    • 9
      Anonymous says:

      That would be either you are or you’re paid by “The Sun”. As in you’re another victim of the appalling standards fostered by the National Union of Teachers and their ilk.

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    • 38
      Stefan Dennis says:

      People like you should be shot in the clunge, point blank, and left in the street to die.

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  5. 5
    Paniagua v5 says:

    Bollox – I cannot remember the last time I saw a £ sign on ‘seen elsewhere’ for paywall links

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  6. 6

    When did you ever use a pound sign? Have not seen one here ever.

    I follow every link but simply do not bother with the paysites as their content is not reliable enough IMO.

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    • 7
      Paniagua v5 says:

      Exactly, just shows how out of touch Guido is with his operation these days.

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      • 19

        Clearly neither of us had seen each other’s post beforehand so it makes our case pretty conclusive.

        For some years now, I have read every link and I used to go to the listing page when I would be out of touch for any time upon my return. I suggested that he restore the link to the list page and got a response to say he would consider but it never materialised.

        Is it the news editor’s or the main man’s decision, I wonder?

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        • 24
          Paniagua v5 says:

          “Clearly neither of us had seen each other’s post beforehand so it makes our case pretty conclusive.”

          Not unless we are one and the same sc !

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          • fruitcake says:

            You might be, but I’m not either of you, and I can’t recall seeing a pound sign.

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          • Universal Hiss says:

            I’ve never seen a £ either.

            I’m sure I saw someone asking for that ages ago(which I thought was a good idea as not everyone is obsessed by publications offering news or opinion). Guido told them to get lost.

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          • None of us can change the past but, if you are going to be me at any time in the future, I would be most grateful were you to give me prior notice.

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        • 49
          Puzzled says:

          Cat,why is Robinson called toenails?

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          • As I understand it, and I am no authority on such things, Robinson was called toenails because he was so far up Labour’s ass that he was addressed by the only remaining visible parts.

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      • 43
        Pippa Middletontonton says:

        He is busy noshing off the fresh meat that arrives daily at Victoria station. When all those burly Bulgarians get here next year old fat boy Guido is gonna have an arsehole like a fresh bullet wound.

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      • 92
        Enouch touching me! says:

        Guido does seem to be losing it recently.
        Probably the drink.

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    • 8
      Q says:

      There goes Guido again listening to his SpAz ;)

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      • 68
        Old Blind Pugh says:

        That depends on which Guido the elder or the younger, the older one seems to have diappeared

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        • 69

          Indeed. Tweet today:

          Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes 1h

          @cameronpenny Pаul doesn’t write everything on the blog.

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          • Ruprecht says:

            I thought people knew, I often write for my own publications usually as ‘staff writer’ or sometimes under another name.

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          • Dr Samuel Johnson says:

            That Pa(u)laeo Guido writes on this blog, is akin to women preaching or dogs walking upon their hind legs– the question is not whether it is done well; the wonder is, that it is done at all.

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  7. 14
    FaggEd Milibandit- The Fag End Of Politics. says:

    We hope by attacking Crosby
    we will deflect the media’s
    attention away from the 13000
    manslaughters under Labour’s
    mismanagement of nhs. Clever.
    BBC attack Gob is hard at it!
    heehee

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    • 52
      Len McCluskey says:

      And no mention of me, Falkirk or Unite on the BBC for a full 48 hours! Who need Lynton Crosby anyway.

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  8. 15
    Chris says:

    Why are you telling people how to dodge paywalls? Paper’s have enough issues in staying in business without arseholes telling readers, how to get round it.

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  9. 16
    TomTom says:

    Americans tried it with the World Wide Web and we all know where that finished up… the loss of advertising coverage will I am sure be significant and from that. income revenue, as long as the BBC and World News is readily available on the Net, who needs paid for News.

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    • 77
      BBC man says:

      Yes, it’s another triumph for socialism. All the running dog capitalists take their coverage behind paywalls and the only news you will get is OURS in all its well known unbiassed perfection. The masses already lap it up unthinkingly, and soon EVERYONE will. We won, with your money!!!!

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  10. 17
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Sun+ !

    Digital! Perks! Goals! BIGGER TITS!

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    • 20
      Gordon Brown says:

      It just doesn’t add up.

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    • 72
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      Guido the elder tried a sort of restricted access thing, at a guess the number of hits must have plummeted because he reverted to a free for all access after a short time.

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  11. 22
    Sue Doughty says:

    If their writing is not good enough for advertisers to pay for it is not good enough for me to read.

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  12. 25
    TomTom says:

    If Guido is not in front of the People, then he is behind.

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    • 48
      Pippa Middletontonton says:

      On his knees giving them one of his famous Guido rimmings. For a fat lad he is very energetic with that tongue.

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    • 73
      Old Blind Pugh says:

      I would rather keep him in front so I can see what he is doing

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  13. 28
    Grauniad says:

    We will always be free. Well apart from the broadband tax we are lobbying for to be applied to every UK internet user that is.

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  14. 35
    FaggEd Milibandit- The Fag End Of Politics. says:

    I am supporting Ed United this year.

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    • 41
      Ed "Cardboard Cutout" Milliband says:

      As I always say “Two Eds are better than one”

      Was that OK Mr McCluskey?

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  15. 40
    Smoketons Crosby says:

    Shaaaddup! I am smoking a faaaaaaag while watchin’ Neighbours.

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  16. 42
    Another Engineer says:

    It might work if the BBC is forced to take its news site offline. I don’t believe it was ever part of a broadcasting charter, so it shouldn’t be cross-subsidised by the licence fee.

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    • 45
      Another Engineer says:

      “It” being charging for content.

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    • 46
      Bazinga! says:

      Spot on, the BBC is very dangerous, it will kill off any real competition. The BBC should be forced to take down its online news or scale it back or sell it off.

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  17. 44
    Bazinga! says:

    The dead tree press is finished. I haven’t paid for a newspaper in probably 7 years now, nor would I. I’ve used Calibre to get free content to my KIndle but I don’t even bother with that now.

    The real problem is the BBC, so long as it continues to grow its online content it will have an underserved and dangerous control over public opinion.

    Perhaps the solution is for newspapers to band together to run a combined news site for free and pool resources, after all the press is always telling politicians to get their house in order.

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    • 71
      jax says:

      Guido could easily just link to the bbc. Its an excellent service stop with your extremist drivel

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  18. 47
    Larry The Downing Street Cat says:

    There is only one Daily Mail website; despite the BBCs lame attempt to copy and paste stories.

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  19. 50
    Granny says it will all be alright if we don't panic says:

    As dear old Grandad would have said, “you can’t wrap chips in a fookin’ paywall!”

    Bless.

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  20. 53
    Sad but true says:

    fewer people reading non-BBC/Guardian type news.
    Might increase the /mailonline hits though:-)

    The Left-wing media will just increase their domination of news dissemination even more

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  21. 54
    Alex Taylor says:

    now that would not be because you now write for the Sun?

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  22. 58
    Anonymous says:

    If its not unique content what the fuck are you doing linking to it in the first place?

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  23. 60
    Spank, The Bishop says:

    Won’t pay.

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  24. 70
    jax says:

    Cant stop laughing st this idiot

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  25. 79
    Old Grumpy says:

    While the idea f paying for a news service is not unthinkable, would YOU trust an out of control Press Agency with YOUR Bank Details?

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  26. 84
    WayneWoonee says:

    Does that mean I will have to pay to access my ‘ Sun dream team’ on-line?

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  28. 94
    Taxfodder says:

    I am always interested news………. NOT half arsed biased cherry picked to suit an argument comment from lazy reporters trying to please their boss.

    In any case If I want half arsed I can read this blog, Indeed I can even comment on Order Order any load of old bollocks myself…for nothing!

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    wishing_I_was_drunk says:

    “If you are unable to remember if a website is behind a paywall, that is your problem”

    Like the quote, you getting PR tips from RyanAir? Just wondering….

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  30. 97
    Anonymous says:

    Wouldn’t pay to wipe my arse with the Sun.

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  31. 98
    dogleg says:

    Telegraph currently allows 20 free articles before asking for payment; presumably that’s coming to an end?

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  32. 99
    Anna says:

    “Even if the “Digital First” Telegraph’s attempt at keeping out cheapskates is amusingly easy to dodge by going incognito,”

    It is so trivially easy to bypass the Telegraph’s post 20 free articles per month paywall, and not just with Chrome which I don’t use, that one has to wonder whether it wants to charge only the more digitally challenged. Surely its web designer can’t be *that* stupid?? Having said that, while I’ve hitherto kept very quiet about my easy access, it is now so widely publicised that those “me, me, me, aren’t I clever, I can bypass the paywall” idiots have probably shot themselves in their collective foot.

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  33. 101
    Long time Telegraph reader says:

    Oh well, when the Telegraph goes behind the paywall, I’ll just simply stop reading it. There are others to read – perhaps not quite as good – but the difference is not worth the money.

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  34. 103
    jari65 says:

    Reblogged this on Jari65 Blog.

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