October 12th, 2012

Telegraph Throw Down Mitchell Gauntlet

There is a fairly incredible editorial in this morning’s Telegraph that challenges the Prime Minister to fire his Chief Whip:

“It is, of course, unfair that a successful ministerial career should end thanks to an intemperate outburst. Certainly, Mr Mitchell is entitled to feel aggrieved at the role played by the Police Federation. Whether or not its officers were complicit in the row first becoming public, they have done everything possible to stoke it since, as part of a wider campaign against the Government’s police reforms. Yet that – like the question of what was actually said that day – is almost beside the point. In the end, it is not so much a matter of principle as of politics. If he stays, Mr Mitchell can do little good, and much damage. For the sake of his party, he should do the decent thing and stand down.”

Guido suspects such demands from the press might stiffen the Prime Minister’s resolve. If Mitchell does go this afternoon, questions are likely to be asked about who is really running the show…


110 Comments

  1. 1
    Captain Oates says:

    I am going for a walk and I may be some time .

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    • 5
      sekwaf odiug says:

      Are you taking Mad Mitch with you George?

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      • 15
        Archer Karcher says:

        “Who is really running the show” ?

        Clue: It’s not the errand boys and messengers in westminster. They are just window dressing.

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        • 24
          sekwaf odiug says:

          “Who is really running the show” ?
          I think there are different factions in the Tory party pulling in opposite directions, before long the voters will be asking that question, especially those in marginal constituencies, you know the ones that actually decide who rules the UK.

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          • V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

            We know who’s running the show, it’s the unelected Euro scumbags.

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          • misterneddy says:

            “you know the ones that actually decide who rules the UK.!

            The EU rules the UK. The tories and labour are subservient to the EU and BOTH parties will do the EU’s bidding, regardless of whatever invented differences they spout for public consumption.

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          • sekwaf odiug says:

            In that case why are we paying Dave and chums and the rest of the rabble so much money for

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        • 65
          The Golem says:

          The most expensive figleaf known to man.

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    • 32
      M says:

      If someone mouths off at police they are prepared to hound you through the courts for eternity with immediate effect .
      You abuse children for decades and an institution covers it up for decades , the police do nothing .
      Perhaps police priorities are a set a political party agenda rather than public protection issues

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      • 50
        misterneddy says:

        +1

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      • 53
        misterneddy says:

        Additionally, a tory MP insults a police officer and the BBC hounds him. He apologises more than once and they continue to hound him. Sorry is not enough, they want him out of his job…

        A number of senior BBC employees repeatedly abuse loads of kids for decades on BBC time and on BBC premises and these sick crimes are covered up by the BBC executives… and they seem to think issuing a prime time apology on BBC1 will suffice?

        Heads must roll AND there should be prosecutions of senior BBC executives.

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        • 105
          Jimmy Mack says:

          Spot on Sir! As we all know the police do not lie!!! Hillsborough,Jimmy Saville etc,were all mistakes!! There is an agenda at work here backed by the Laour party for obvious reasons, I think Mitchell should call the coppers bluff and take it to a court of law and let a jury decide, the way things are going he’s on his bike-so nothing to loose really.Get some bollocks man! go down fighting.

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          • opening popcorn says:

            Whether or not he goes (& he probably should) , the Met should clear out every officer from the security post at No 10 and reassign them.

            There are reports that people there leaked the story to the Sun; leaked the police logs to the Telegraph, and that the officers have taken to wearing ‘Plebs – Toffs’ cuff links. If the reports are true, discipline has clearly broken down and, given the sensitivity of the place, a stand-off between the police and the politicians is a dangerous failure of duty.

            Those in command need to account for their actions and explain; perhaps the parliamentary committee intending to call Mr Mitchell might also call the officers on duty as well, in the interests of balance.

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      • 57
        Mornington Crescent says:

        +1000

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        • 68
          Check facts first says:

          The hypocrisy of the media knows no bounds. There are plenty of journalists, producers etc who have a real fruity language at times and are very aggressive towards others. At the recent Police Federation conference a number of officers brought disrespect on the police service by their outrageous conduct. The actual detail of this spate is getting more questionable as time goes on. Why has not one solitary member of the public come forward to back to give their version of what took place? It`s one of the most photographed places in London but not one photo, mobile phone footage etc has surfaced. If the Police Federation was so intent in embarrassing the government why didn`t they leak the CCTV footage. Far better than a few verbals. Or was the spate not as serious as it was made out to be? I.E. officers covering their backs. The media has played right into the hands of Mr Leveson – again.

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      • 72
        The Golem says:

        The Police Federation like the ACPO is a union, they know their duty to the common purpose.

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      • 108
        Devil's Dumplings says:

        Furthermore, fat lard-arse Prescot thumps somebody in full view of the press, its shown all over the world…..and nothing’s done! It’s just “John being John”. Now if that had been a Conservative MP – let alone alone a Minister – can you imagine the BBC’s reaction??????

        Ye Gods, I’ve just reminded myself that Prescot was a Minister. Can you Adam and Eve it? Have you ever met the man? Jeez, what an embarassment.

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  2. 2
    Patrick Power says:

    I can’t hold the 5/6 odds that “Thrasher” will be gone by the end of this month for much longer.

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  3. 3
    sekwaf odiug says:

    “might stiffen the Prime Minister’s resolve” don’t be silly Guido

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    • 20
      Colonel Blimp says:

      Whatever the Prime Minister is trying to stiffen up this most certainly is no way to run a country .

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  4. 4
    Gordon Brown says:

    “questions are likely to be asked about about who is really running the show”……..Well it’s me folks !

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  5. 6
    EdMilibandwagon says:

    What he hath done is wong. There should be a full investigation. No stone should be left unturned. Thir Jimmy Thaville should be stripped of his knighthood.
    Wunathun

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  6. 8
    Synic says:

    Dave — tell the plods to fxxk off and get on with shooting innocent plebs as normal

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  8. 10
    Anonymous says:

    “demands from the press might stiffen the Prime Minister’s resolve”

    Yeah?

    So if the press demanded even more immigrants in Britain would ‘Cast Iron Dave’ round up the fuckers and send them home?

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    • 25
      The Countess of Wythenshawe says:

      No but he has got us out of the EU even though we still have a membership card .

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    • 26
      Archer Karcher says:

      The words Cameron and resolve are mutually exclusive. He’ll do whatever he is told to by his handlers, no if, but or maybe.

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      • 31
        nadine says:

        David Cameron is his own man .

        He will say absolutely anything if he thinks it will make him popular for the next 24 hours .

        Did you know he used to work in PR ?

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        • 41
          Lou Scannon says:

          I’ve heard this rumour about Dave having worked in PR before but could find no evidence. I can only think that he proved to be spectacularly bad at the job and moved on. Sadly, he chose to move into politics and demonstrate his PR skills to us all.

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        • 61
          When I was a boy the poor were skinny says:

          Dave knows that if you spout enough shit…

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  9. 13

    British Gas Confirms Big Bill Rises

    Now where are all those people who are voting for more expensive power, windmills and the like?

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    • 30
      Archer Karcher says:

      I recall all three parties voted for expensive energy and all agree on the need to make energy a luxury item only the rich and wealthy can afford.

      Of course none of them have the balls to admit to such and are frantically thrashing around looking to blame others for their collectivist ‘progressive’ mendacity, now that the pigeons are coming home to roost.

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  10. 14
    Mrs Saville says:

    I blame Jimmy Saville!

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  11. 16
    Loopy Lou says:

    If it was not for the Telegraph Mr Cameron would not know what to do .

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  12. 17
    david says:

    This really is a silly storm in a teacup.
    -How did the police record get into the public domain? Is this a true record? Are all Police records open to public scrutiny or only some where it suits the protagonists?
    -Can the Met Police be relied on in this case? There have been many instances where there has been a ‘mistake’ in taking ‘evidence’
    -Mitchell is quite right not to make a statement on the events. There would be a he said/she said situation otherwise.
    -What is wrong with being a Plebeian? We cannot all be Patricians.

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    • 38
      Aunty Matter says:

      The Met police are liars we know that. This is a non story except the BBC keep making it one. You’d think allegations that they funded a child molester and quite possibly even knew he was one would be the top story. But no, the BBC as usual go after the Tories.

      Can you imagine if all this kiddie fiddling had gone on with a Tory MP ? The BBC wouldn’t shut up about it.

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    • 52
      sekwaf odiug says:

      Well Dave, Julius Caesar, you might have heard of him, was a member of the Pelbeian Party

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  13. 21
    Terrible But True says:

    Control the pre-pro, control the edit: control the medium.
    Control the medium, control the message.
    Control the message and in sound-bite, twitter-span world you control opinion.
    Control opinion and you control policy.
    ’twas ever thus.
    And they’re all at it.
    Some of course more able than others.
    And £4Bpa on pervasive, sugar-coated 24/7 propaganda, backed by censorship (from internal omission to aggressive modding to ‘expediting’ complaints), buys a lot of control.
    And it’s over the poor saps who are also required to fund it via compulsion.
    With zero choice in the matter, via wallet or ballot.
    Now that’s how you get to run the show… albeit ‘uniquely’.

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  14. 23
    Quiet Bat Person says:

    Camerons appalling judgement is the real question here.

    How many more damaged individuals is he going to cling onto in his inner circle?

    And apart from Gove, is there anyone remotely normal & representative of real British people in the cabinet – excluding of course those fucking Lib Dem alien nutters?

    Cameron is fucked if he carrys on this course. He is a social democrat, & nothing he has in the bag will bring people like me back from UKIP now.

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  15. 29
    Aunty Matter says:

    I can tell you who is running the show, it’s the BBC an the Guardian.

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    • 36
      Screwed taxpayer says:

      Alas, the show has been fxxked up for a generation by the caring PC luvvies in Islingtonia that have never done, and cannot do, a proper day’s work in their lives. Useless parasitical bxstards.

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  16. 33
    Aunty Matter says:

    Lot’s of paper stories stating that BBC management knew Savile was a child molester and they did nothing.

    Not reported on the BBC of course

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    • 39
      Synic says:

      Because the BBC is crawling with similar ponces scared shitless that they are about to be exposed instead of exposing themselves for once. Shut up and keep paying your licence fee like a good pleb.

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    • 46
      JH says:

      Abuses like this will happen at any institution that regards itself as simply too good to be bad, the ideal cover for nonces.

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    • 64
      When I was a boy the poor were skinny says:

      ‘Vicarious responsibility’ cost the Catholic Church £billions

      ‘Vicarious Responsibility’ will cost the licence fee payer £ millions

      Oops. Do we want to take this further?

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      • 90
        Living in 98 percent white Merseyside says:

        I remember a colleague back in the 1960’s or 70’s (yes, we had jobs then) saying how he had heard a programme about JS (I,m pretty certain it was him) and how, on occasion, he had had people beaten up who had said things about him he didn’t like.

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  17. 35
    Wayne and Wynetta says:

    Civil service apology to Justine Greening over West Coast franchise fiasco
    The top civil servant at the Department of Transport has apologised to the former Transport Secretary Justine Greening over errors that led to the abandonment of the West Coast rail franchise.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9603530/Civil-service-apology-to-Justine-Greening-over-West-Coast-franchise-fiasco.html

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    • 69
      misterneddy says:

      ” Philip Rutnam said the bungled bidding process was “clearly the responsibility of officials and not ministers”, according to newspaper reports.

      Mr Rutnam added: “Both you and Theresa Villiers [then a transport minister] were assured by officials in this department that the process was robust and sound”. That was “manifestly not the case”. ”

      The tories should have begun a massive clear out of the civil service as soon as they came to power. Blair filled the civil service with obedient labour stooges and left them behind in the civil service to act as land-mines for any right wing policies.

      Blair politicised the civil service and turned it into a labour party machine… Now it acts as sleeper cell.

      The very first few things Cameron should have done as PM was take on the civil service and the BBC and arrange an in or out referendum on EU membership, before they had a chance to undermine the new PM.

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      • 95
        Anonymous says:

        “Blair filled the civil service with obedient labour stooges”

        Don’t be silly. Blair’s a tory.

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      • 109
        Marion the cat says:

        plus 1,000,000 oh so very true – what has restrained Cameron – he MUST have his hands in someone’s pockets.

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    • 71
      Pat-a-cake,pat-a-cake says:

      How may seconds will the beeb give to this after slaughtering Greening on their bulletins?

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  18. 40
    gramma says:

    Twas ever thus. Yappy dogs with a bone.
    Newspaper or visual media regurgitating triviality fed to them by corrupt sources to deflect responsibility for their own miserable failings. Jumping on potential band-wagons is nothing new in journalism, yet todays “scoops” seldom seem to have any meat on the bone.
    I hope Dave has the cojones to ignore it. It will not be the last time in this present parliament that the opposition will attempt to grasp at straws

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  19. 45
    Dave "Butch" Cameron says:

    I have put the “fun” in “dysfunctional” !!!

    Can’t wait for Friday caption competition.

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  21. 51
    Religion: The Original Sin says:

    Reducing the risk of extinction for threatened species and establishing protected areas for nature will cost the world over $76bn dollars annually.

    Dave’ll fix-it.

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  22. 54
    When I was a boy the poor were skinny says:

    Police say “OPEN THE GATES”

    “If Mitchell does go this afternoon,……..”

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  23. 56
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t think the John Peel revelation in today’s Mail falls into the Savile class.

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  24. 58
    Jon Luisada says:

    Regards
    Jon Luisada

    MyFirstServer Ltd.

    0783 460 7932

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  25. 60
    The PRick Posing as PM says:

    I’m useless too – but I’m staying.

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  26. 62
    When I was a boy the poor were skinny says:

    I’ve lost my imagination..please help

    ” Jimmy Savile and Hitler ( both Catholics ) are standing at the Gates before St. Peter.

    St Peter says ??

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  27. 67
    Anonymous says:

    Need more Samuel L Jackson types!

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  28. 70
    Check facts first says:

    Mitchell is meeting with the Police Federation who don`t want to know, who will walk out to a waiting BBC team wearing Pc Pleb T Shirts. You can just see it now.
    The BBC are wetting themselves already. I just wish the government would release the cctv footage and put an end to this saga once and for all.

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    • 74
      Pat-a-cake,pat-a-cake says:

      Key point is several police pocket note books show contemporaneous entries verbatim as to what was said. Mitchel denies saying these words and so calls into question the honesty/integrity of the officers. They cannot both be right and as the Police Federation points out, if the PM accepts Mitcheel’s version of the account, defence lawyers will have a field day in regard to officer’s evidence at court. Not a member of the Police but someone who would not appreciate beind told to ‘know your place’ by some chinless wonder. Both parties reputation have been put at stake by the glorious seekers of justice….

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      • 96
        Anonymous says:

        We can all rest assured as to the “honesty/integrity of the officers”. After all, they are police people so we totally trust all of them with our lives.

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        • 97
          pat-a-cake,pat-a-cake says:

          yes 99% have integrity and are honest. I for one am grateful when I have called on their help. I wish people would get their heads out ouf their backsides and make statements based on their own experiences and not by vacarious means. Not having a go at you but it seems to me that the posters here comment according to which way the wind is blowing. Should call all of them all Lance!

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      • 101
        Check facts first says:

        You mean made up together in the same room with the door shut. This evidence has not been showing the Court of Public Opinion has far as I know. All we have is a copy of a log leaked to The Sun, verballing Mitchell up. The real evidence is the cctv footage which the Police federation has yet to disclose to the Court of Public Opinion. Failure to disclose evidence has led to many convictions being quashed on appeal, particularly by the Met.

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        • 103
          pat-a-cake,pat-a-cake says:

          For fucks sake. Do you really think the Police Federation have any control over the disclosure of CCTV at Downing street? They are not a UNION. They have no bite whatsoever. You need a shit release biopsy mate. The Home Office will have control over that so you should be looking at them to release it. Oh sorry, that does not fit in with your anti Police agenda. Think, think, think again and realise 99% of the police are a-political. They serve the general public. YOU. And in my experience they do a damn fine job. 20+ years ago when a bobby took a youth home to be admonished by his/her parent for minor crime, only to be met with ‘my boy/daughter is innocent fuck off….,.’ you get the Police service you deserve. 20 years and counting, back your police before ANY political party and things may just start to re-balance.

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  29. 73
    R1cardoC says:

    I’m sure that Mr Mitchell – now that he has taken soundings – will have a conversation with his wife, this Sunday perhaps, and realise the benefits to his marriage of spending more time at home.

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    • 76
      mrs Duffy from Rochdale says:

      I trust no decision will be made until he has consulted thoroughly with his Spad .

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    • 77
      Anonymous says:

      WILLIAM HILL ODDS – on Oct10 Andrew Mitchell to be ex-Chief Whip before end of the month – 3/1 – it’s Now 5/6. not looking good Andrew ! !

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  30. 75
    Corrie L'Anus says:

    An interesting political conundrum for Spreadable Privilege Boy:
    1. If he he sacks Plebmeister his original judgement looks poor made worse by the delay.

    2. If Plebmeister resigns he has to find a reason

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    • 79
      Corrie L'Anus says:

      I shall try and finish my point….this time without spilling weetabix on my PC (other cereals are available!!)

      An interesting political conundrum for Spreadable Privilege Boy:
      1. If he he sacks ‘Plebmeister’ his original judgement looks poor, made worse by the delay.
      2. The PM still looks like he is calling plod liars
      3. The blue rinsers and loyalists are taking the mick out of Plebmeister so something has to give
      4. If Plebmeister resigns he has to find a reason that doesn’t compromise his boss’s judgement
      5. The replacement Whip will be at best second choice

      Frankly, the damage is done…it is not about the cops nor the nedia it is about the perception of arrogance…so whatever happens it matters not a toss.

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  31. 78
    Non PC Pleb says:

    Mitchell was an arse but the way the Police Federation has stoked this up is political and I for one thought the Fed remained out of politics but it seems they want to be like Crow and other Union megaphones.
    The Federation should stay clear of politics now.

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  32. 80
    Bully Boys in Blue says:

    If Mitchell goes then the police Union has won. That imho opinion would be a long term disaster.

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    • 82
      Non PC Pleb says:

      Yep. Many Bobbies have no time for these tea supping, arse sitting pilgrims who get very well paid for doing……not a lot. This is the first time I’ve seen them speak so loudly and long. I wonder if they had lessons from Bob Crow and the brothers. The Fed should now shut up before they harm the police.

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    • 83
      Police Federation Statement says:

      Our members are the best police in the world. Best pay. Best pensions. Best canteens. Best shiny cars to pose in. Best at forging statements. Best at operating speed cameras. It’s just not true that we are a bunch of jobsworth murdering cnuts.

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      • 86
        Non PC Pleb says:

        I really think many South American and African countries with Police Forces who shoot up to 100 people a week with bonus on top for making over 100 without filling in one form have the best.

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  33. 81
    Tory voter says:

    Michell is toast.

    So is Shapps.

    Fortunately there are other Cabinet members and senior Tories who are of good character and, indeed, capable.

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    • 85
      Corrie L'Anus says:

      Leave Michell out of this she is lovely, and may soon be seeking a new home!! Now, Dear Boy, I am studying a list of Cabinet Members this very minute and await your encouraging advice on the ‘capable’ and of ‘good character’…there is that chap at Defence…over to thee lad….(chin scratching now)

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  34. 84
    An Antipodean Newspaper Proprietor says:

    Gor strewth blue hasn’t that pile of dingo doings sloped off yet. Any leader with a bit of sense would’ve got shot weeks ago. Which in no way means I would presume to tell a politician what to do.

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  35. 89
    Jimmy says:

    “questions are likely to be asked about who is really running the show…”

    You think there’s someone in charge? It’s a theory I suppose.

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  36. 98
    Check facts first says:

    Best laugh of the day goes to the Police Federation Rep who appeared on the Daily Politics Show. “We are not indulging in politics over this. It`s not political.” Even Ms Cockburn laughed at that silly suggestion. Basically if Mitchell does not admit today to the Federation Pilgrims what the police officers allege he said word for word then they are going to tell DC to sack him. Nice to see the police federation now think they run the government. These silly pilgrims ought to go back to pounding the beat but I don`t think that`s going to happen either. The station cat goes out more than they do.

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    • 104
      pat-a-cake,pat-a-cake says:

      Sorry not related to your post but posted earlier about 7 posts up. Important so we do not forget the job our police do. Should we now start on against our armed service personnel for the slightest misdemenour. ‘For fucks sake. Do you really think the Police Federation have any control over the disclosure of CCTV at Downing street? They are not a UNION. They have no bite whatsoever. You need a shit release biopsy mate. The Home Office will have control over that so you should be looking at them to release it. Oh sorry, that does not fit in with your anti Police agenda. Think, think, think again and realise 99% of the police are a-political. They serve the general public. YOU. And in my experience they do a damn fine job. 20+ years ago when a bobby took a youth home to be admonished by his/her parent for minor crime, only to be met with ‘my boy/daughter is innocent fuck off….,.’ you get the Police service you deserve. 20 years and counting, back your police before ANY political party and things may just start to re-balance.

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  37. 102
    robbie says:

    Mitchell should have made clear what he had said in the exchange and challenged police to contradict- its his own fault if he has to go. But Cameron needs to limit the damage and then make sure the Police Federation get a further good kicking.

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  38. 107
    fred says:

    How utterly disgraceful that anyone should doubt the word of a serving police officer or dare to suggest that the police account of an event might be a fabrication. Surely, only the people of Liverpool would even think such a thing?

    And 23-years on…..

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