December 9th, 2011

Lobbyists’ Umbrella Group Splits

We have in the past covered the lobbying world’s attempts at self-regulation. The most ardent opponent of a statutory register was Francis Ingham of the widely discredited PRCA trade body, he was instrumental in getting rival lobbying and spin trade bodies CIPR and APPC to join up under the UK Public Affairs Council banner to voluntarily produce a joint register of lobbyists. Guido suggested it might be simpler to just require lobbyists to wear leper’s bells.

Ingham has now performed a volte-face and come down on the side of a statutory register.  His email to Elizabeth France, the first and probably last Chairman of the UK Public Affairs Council landed in Guido’s inbox this morning:

From: Francis Ingham

Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:44:04
To: Liz

Subject: RE:

As it happens Liz, I was about to email you the text below. Happy to talk if you’d like:

Dear Liz

It is with regret that I write to inform you that we are resigning with immediate effect from UKPAC.

I understand that this will be unwelcome news, and I apologize for that fact.

My Board has concluded that a statutory register is the correct public policy choice for the Government to make. It has also concluded that on the basis of UKPAC’s performance over the past year, UKPAC simply is not a credible body to hold that register.

We have come to this conclusion with regret and after considerable debate. The continued inability of UKPAC to deliver a timely, comprehensive and accurate register is an embarrassment to the whole industry. Having founded UKPAC alongside the CIPR and APPC, and having spent a considerable amount of time and money supporting it, we regret the fact that it has failed, but we are clear that this failure is manifest and irreversible.

We have today written to the Cabinet Office, making them aware of this decision, and urging them swiftly to introduce a statutory register, held by an independent body, to run in parallel with the Codes of Conduct that exist already within the industry. We will also this morning be notifying the press, and sending them a copy of this formal note of resignation.

I should like to thank you for the effort you have put into UKPAC over the past year, and personally wish you well in the future.

Yours sincerely

Francis Ingham

Francis Ingham
Chief Executive

Self-regulation looks dead. They brought it on themselves…


85 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Hope it doesnt rain then if they have a split umbrella.

  2. 2
    AC1 says:

    Are Croatians the stupidest people in Europe?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16106982

  3. 3
    anon says:

    Hope Miliband is not thinking the same. The Socialist party needs stalwarts like him

  4. 4
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Needs spinning, this one.

  5. 5
    Steve Miliband says:

    DAlexanderMP Douglas Alexander
    Just reminded@BBCNews that a veto stops something happening: Even on Cameron’s own terms what additional safeguards were secured last night?

    So Labour party policy on the hoof, dictated by the BBC?

  6. 6
    Archduke Dave's Anglo-Hungarian Empire says:

    That’s more like it, guido, back to the usual mind-rotting shite.

  7. 7
    Engineer says:

    It must have been yesterday’s windy conditions that split their umbrella.

    Good job they weren’t all in a big tent. Would have been chaos if that had blown down on them.

  8. 8
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    A good looking fella in the picture,my sort of man !

  9. 9
    Engineer says:

    They consulted the blank sheet of paper, and realised that they’d have to busk it.

  10. 10
    Anonymous says:

    Is he wearing a leather collar? Speccie, self abusing, bastard.

  11. 11
    Guido's Bouncer says:

    So good, you just had to comment…

    The door’s that way. Sorry, no refund this time.

  12. 12
    Selohesra says:

    Can’t wait til next weeks PMQs – Labour sceptics of which there are many (albeit hushed up by BBC) cheering on Dave and loony end on coalition presumably supporting Milliblank – should be good sport

  13. 13
    One to miss says:

    Ready to puke? One of the guests on tonight’s Have I Got News For You is…

    Tom Watson.

  14. 14
    sounds like they're gonna get screwed says:

    “Today Croatia is entering Europe, but more importantly Europe is entering Croatia”

    Ivo Josipovic Croatian president

  15. 15
    Anonymous says:

    Can’t ruddy spell apologise.

  16. 16
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Monday will be better when Dave gives statement to house on this 1 hour of it :-)

  17. 17

    This isn’t a complete volte-face, as you put it. It’s more like a partial volte-face.

    He’s gone from wanting a lobbyist register to wanting a lobbyist register.

    It looks like (from that email) that he’d probably still prefer a self-regulatory system, but the failure of current attempts to do that means he’s simply gone for (what he believes) is the next best option.

  18. 18
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The trouble with the EU is just one of image. It really needs a catchy name like ……….. Fourth Reich.

  19. 19
    Jess The Dog says:

    We have lobbyists. They’re called MPs. They are supposed to listen to constituents.

  20. 20
    Son of Gordon says:

    Blank British Paper For Blank British Policies

  21. 21
    AC1 says:

    Send Lube.

  22. 22
    Jess The Dog says:

    Good God, what has happened to the standard of grammar on this website? “Lobbyist’s umbrella group”… try “Lobbyists’ umbrella group” unless it is an umbrella group of one and an amoeba splitting….

  23. 23
    T-Shirt Time says:

    Let’s hope he’s in for a roasting

  24. 24
    Hungary says:

    fuck off, you cock sucking English fags.

    14:00 CET
    ‘UK isolation grows as more countries reconsider treaty’
    Last updated 11 minutes ago

    ‘The 23 EU countries ignoring the UK veto have been joined by Hungary, Sweden and the Czech Republic, leaving Britain alone.’

  25. 25
    Democracy Now says:

    They are supposed to do more than just listen. They are supposed to represent them.

  26. 26
    Selohesra says:

    If everyone stuck their hand in the fire would you do the same?

  27. 27
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    It was the christmas party last night.

  28. 28
    annette curton says:

    Could be interesting to see how it pans out, what would Labour have done?, cue for more nasal bollocks from Ed Milliband that still hasn’t realised that the people of this Country are heartily sick of the whole EU debacle.

  29. 29
    Gonk says:

    That bloke looks as though he ought to be in a remake of the Ipcress File.

  30. 30
    Selohesra says:

    Which end will Hislop take and which end Merton? – I don’t usually enjoy watching men anally raped but I might make exception for this

  31. 31
    Elsie Beattie (83 and a quarter) says:

    It’s worth trying once just to see what you are missing out on, dear.

  32. 32
    Gonk says:

    He wants a Lobbyist register then but only if he
    can be Chief Executive.

  33. 33
    Anonymous says:

    Krautfrogland?

  34. 34
    Party Popper says:

    Did anyone go?

  35. 35
    Red Ed's non-predator union bosses says:

    We do Red Ed’s thinking.

  36. 36
    The Sleeper says:

    That pompous,facile midget Alexander on Sky slagging off Cameron…..but has no answers of his own….Boulton,clearly fed up with speaking to the twat, cuts him off saying he’s off to speak to Cameron!

  37. 37
    annette curton says:

    I’m taking it the bl@ck leather dog collar has been photo-shopped on, either that or he belongs to some seriously weird religious sect.

  38. 38
    IT is S not Z you illiterate Cunt. says:

    How come the Hunt can’t spell apologise? How can any Hunt who spells apologise as apologize belong to a UK lobbying group?

  39. 39
    Lard Pressclott says:

    Someone had to eat all those pies.

  40. 40
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Not since 1939 has Britain stood alone against the Axis of Evil which was Europe !
    Well done Dave ! for your Churchillian stance
    No British PM since Maggie has stood up to these Krauts and Frog munching surrender monkeys !

    Can one of these Bleating Sheep reporters just ask any Labour minister “What would you have done smart arse”

  41. 41
    Selohesra says:

    A bit like sodomy then :)

  42. 42
    a non says:

    Cameron echoes the words of W C Fields

    If I want to play with pricks I will play with my own.

  43. 43
    a non says:

    It’s Your-rope

  44. 44
    annette curton says:

    His dress was considered by some to be overly formal for a Max Mosely party.

  45. 45
    The Sleeper says:

    I fail to understand why the bloody French still lust after getting into bed with the Germans. Twice in the last century,France was royally fucked by Germany…..and saved by Britain (and Allies)…..yet they still can’t fucking forget about Agincourt.

    Just wait a while, my dear Froggies…..you’re about to get fucked by Germany again.

  46. 46
    Stinkfinger says:

    An institution which in the face of any crisis sits with its thumb up its arse has more than just an image problem.

  47. 47
    AC1 says:

    Desperate attempt to prop up commerzbank..

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/someone-isnt-buying-it

  48. 48
    nerd says:

    Mathematicians love Pi too.

  49. 49
    Ivor Biggun says:

    That bastard David Cameron !!

    Now Dave has given a clear message to his rich banker buddies by not endorsing the transaction tax, they now feel they have carte blanche to fleece the poorest with Dave’s blessing. Conservatism in action!

    http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/Barclays-increases-charges-tele-3730016330.html?x=0

  50. 50

    Churchillian?

    Isn’t that a bit strong, Frankie?

    We shall fart on the beaches, we shall fart on the landing grounds, we shall fart in the fields and in the streets, we shall fart in the hills. We shall never surrender!

  51. 51
    bond says:

    Lobbyists and politicians are always Hairy Palmers

  52. 52
    Stinkfinger says:

    How would the banks have made up the difference if they had been taxed by the EU?
    Higher charges perhaps?
    Fuck the banks but also fuck the EU for wanting us to put our money where their mouth is to save the Euro.

  53. 53
    The Sleeper says:

    Do you suffer from a penile inferiority complex?

  54. 54
    not a machine says:

    I dont know wether the claims about the empty chair are not just in reality port at the trough , noting that as yet the reason for the summit ie the eurozone has not got its bazooka , seems sensible to me that as one of the best financial centres in the world , that as you are not guarenteed the outcomes ,before you hold back your veto . Surely isnt there a case for a failure of mercozy to offer somthing of an above board before explaining how they are going to resolve the debt .

    dont forget the combined debt of the eurozone , is enough to call it insolvent despite the prospect of re financing at lower interest rates , no returns for savers , continued high taxes , expense of not having triple AAA , they may be piling on the pressure , that hwoever still has cred for the PM as they have placed there own internal pressures yet , the post summit joy de veve ,ay be as short as van rumpouys answers

  55. 55
    Alastair Campbell says:

    Check his website to see if he has pre-approved all they’re going to say, based on the bullet points he provided them, and whether it is the redacted version or the full version. I cannot stress strongly enough that they need to stay on message, you understand, and not balk anything he’s trying to do in his own pursuit of media wrongdoings, particularly those of Guido Fawkes.

  56. 56
    annette curton says:

    As a pragmatist I would rather have rich banker buddies than the desperate ‘poor’ ones coming up with yet another excuse as to why I/We have to bail them out yet again courtesy of the European Economic Union.

  57. 57
    Rat's arse says:

    No sleeper, I don’t think Stink is suffering from anything other than pure anger at the cheek of the Germans/French love fest, and he is expressing his opinions in the good old anglo saxon vernacular.

  58. 58
    The Sleeper says:

    Good to see that education still rules.

  59. 59
    annette curton says:

    As a pragmatist I would much rather have rich banker buddies than the desperate ‘poor’ ones coming up with yet another excuse as to why I/We have to bail them out yet again courtesy of the Europ@an Economic Union.

  60. 60
    doh says:

    Always Bread for the wurst?

  61. 61
    The Sleeper says:

    Errrrm….my comment was aimed at Ivor

  62. 62
    Rat's arse says:

    Sorry sleeper. :)

  63. 63
    annette curton says:

    Never before in the field of political conflict have so few screwed everything up for so many.

  64. 64
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Then our aristocracy will negotiate their own position , to save their own scrawny necks
    and shit on all of us !

  65. 65
    Sick of being of stalked by scrounging Edinburgh dogshite. Time wasters. says:

    Self regulation? Would you trust the MP troughers who abuse the expenses system to self regulate their greed? Too many greedy guts in power. Sometimes you have to impose rules.

  66. 66
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Never in the history of monetary conflict
    Has so much been paid by so many
    to benefit so few !

  67. 67
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Sky news poll !

    Should we have a referendum on staying in Europe ?
    13% NO
    87% YES !

  68. 68
    TheRealJoePublic says:

    Is that the smell of another quango being birthed, or did Dave just forget to put the bins out ??.

  69. 69
    TheRealJoePublic says:

    Totally immaterial, the City of London says NO and that’s final.

  70. 70
    "I" Before "E" says:

    Forget about joining Europe, they’ve joined the US. E.G. “Jail,” “Tire,” “Wagon” etc and plenty of other words that have two spellings show up in the American version so often no one notices any more. It may have to do with American spell check on computers. If the computer tells them so, it must be so, right? Since British children learn bugger all in school anyway, the “misspelling” is not surprising. (FFS many posters on this blog misspell words that DON’T have an American version!)

  71. 71
    David Cameron is King says:

    The Eurozone is going down the pan. We will weather the storm. You can’t put a price on sovereignty and democracy. At last we have a Leader who has courage and decency to stand up for his country.
    David Cameron was also courageous to help democratize Libya and secure a good business relationship with the country.
    Dave can take on the undemocratic, poisonous Unions and win.

  72. 72
    annette curton says:

    Just a one-off payment of only £200 and you too can have an education… BA, Calcutta- failed, (I shouldn’t really be telling you this).

  73. 73

    Read between the lines. Sounds like he’s seeking to do the same thing in the future, just in the public sector rather than the private sector.

  74. 74
    annette curton says:

    The people have spoken = No referendum, vox populi?.

  75. 75
    not a machine says:

    mmm did miss some letters in correct order before hitting rtn , my appologies

  76. 76
    Monsieur Francois says:

    Did the Croats actually have a choice or were they simply steamrollered by their political classes?

  77. 77
    Monsieur Francois says:

    F F S !!!

    Dave did not actually “veto” anything. He merely told his colleagues that the UK wanted no part of what they were proposing, but that they were welcome to proceed without the UK.

    Not really that difficult to understand is it??

  78. 78
    Monsieur Francois says:

    *claps*

    Let us hope they make haste to hang themselves with it.

  79. 79
    Monsieur Francois says:

    If you type the word “wellies” into MS Word, the spellcheckbot asks if you really meant “willies”.

  80. 80
    Monsieur Francois says:

    What? Who? Where?

  81. 81
    gs_schweik says:

    That Francis Ingham……..
    Major Ducos? From Sharpe?

  82. 82
    (I've been renamed) DA-Notice says:

    It’s apologise, and I thank you not the mealy mouthed and verbose ‘I should like to thank you'; twat.

  83. 83
    Keith says:

    I prefer that Peter Bungle

  84. 84
    Gary says:

    de Gaule was right.

    Yet strangely Guido won’t give de Gaule credit for his correct views, well ahead of his time.

  85. 85
    Gary says:

    Sarkozy’s probably happy. de Gaule would be smiling.

    As for the City of London, its the centre of global financial fraud, and there’s nothing British about it.

    It says alot about the UK that its main industries are a faceless foreign financial center and farcical house prices pumped up by greedy baby boomers.


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