October 2nd, 2009

Routledge Menances Randy Marr

The only paper still unswervingly loyal to the Prime Mentalist is The Mirror.   This morning the paper’s Old School Labour hack, Paul Routledge, rants

marr_pillsBBC presenter Andrew Marr was out of order, demanding to know, on live TV, whether the Prime Minister is taking anti-depressants – merely on the basis of unsubstantiated internet gossip that had been officially denied.

He has refused to apologise. He should think again – or some scandalmonger might start spreading rumours about his interesting private life, which he guards with the tenacity of a Staffordshire bull terrier.

Too late Routledge, that scandal was mongered yonks ago

Via Daily Referendum


  1. 1
    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

    Hey Guido

    Any truth in the rumour that in revenge for La Marr’s rough shagging of Brown last Sunday, that it’s only a matter of time before that in cold revenge some backbencher will use Parliamentary privilige to expose the winged eared one for issues he’s paid good money to keep out of the public domain?????

    • 28
      TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

      Is that what page 3 or the current private Eye is all about I wonder?

      • 49
        Anonymous says:

        Unfortunately I have to go for miles to get a copy.

        • 73
          Bored at Work says:

          Wikipedia’s Andrew Marr article currently states:

          “Marr lives in East Sheen, London, with his wife, the political journalist Jackie Ashley of The Guardian, whom he married in August 1987 in Surrey. She is a daughter of the Labour Life Peer Lord Ashley of Stoke. The couple have a son, born in 1989, and two daughters, born in 1991 and 1994. He also has a daughter with Times columnist Alice Miles but this is supposed to be a secret and injunctions have been flying about to prevent anyone revealing this.”

          Can’t see that lasting long. Har-de-ha-ha-ha.

          PS it wasn’t me wot rote it

          • It’s still there, with a link to Guido for notability. There’s a screen full of discussion about the subject at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Andrew_Marr, so it’s been thought through rather than just vandalised.

          • Mr Ned says:

            It’s another fake spat to try to convince the public that the BBC is impartial.

            They have made a big deal out of the one anomalous yougov poll showing labour 7% behind. I notice that they have not bothered updating their site to show the next day’s yougov poll showing a 14% lead for the tories yet!


          • Susie says:

            I’m going to write them another complaint letter this morning.

            Reminds me of how I got a BBC HYS ‘comment rejected’ when I pointed out they’d not updated their list of Labour candidate losses in the Council elections in June — note not ‘unpublished’ but ‘rejected’ — they kept it at 210 when the figure had been 359 for 12 hours.

          • Mr Ned says:

            They are leaving that latest poll result off to pretend that the Sun’s backing has had no effect, when the first poll taken after that decision was widely dissiminated across the media shows the tories lead over labour doubling within one day…

            Ben Bradshaw even stated last night on Question Time that the Sun’s backing had halved the tory lead. I think the BBC should correct that utterly false assertion.

          • I think you should point out that Ben Bradshaw is ex-bbc.

          • Anonymous says:

            Why has Marr’s Wikipedia’s page not been deleted anyway? He’s a living person (I assume) so shouldn’t have a page. I suppose the argument is that he’s a “public fgure” – but then so is every jackhack.

          • Mr Ned says:

            I note that politics home does have an up-to date tracker showing labour 14% behind.

            Also on the BBC poll page, every other poll that can be selected shows a much bigger lead for the tories, yet the BBC focused on that one, solitary, freak poll.

            The BBC is as much in Labour’s pocket as ever. Then what else should one expect. After all, they did mindlessly repeat all of Blair’s lies about WMD without question or investigation, when it was known at the time that they were lying to start a war of choice against a regime that they knew bore us NO THREAT whatsoever.

            If they are prepared to stoop so low as to assist war criminals in their crime, then there is NOTHING that will change their minds.

            The BBC are accessories to war-crimes.

        • 172
          anonymouse says:

          Lewis Carroll had the answer. I don’t have the time to look it up.

          • Finnpog says:

            Winky’s shame is that in failing to accept he is on anti-depressants, he perpetuates the stigmatisation of others who are depressed.

            He also continues to cover up for his ZNL abusers, who rather than letting him be poorly and get better, abuse him by leaving him in the job, because it is better for him to lose the election catastrophically than for anyone else to touch the poisoned chalice.

            It’s a shame that he is not competent to make his own decisions and step down.

            You would hope that the Met dealt with him as a vulnerable adult and get him help.

        • 338

          I think Mr Marr found that going for miles is what got him in all this trouble in the first place!

        • 412
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          Is that Alice Miles?

        • 415
          Liar says:

          I never read private eye

          never ever.. (contind page 92)

      • 59
        Phil O'Pastree says:

        It’s about super-injunctions in general, using Marr’s in particular as an example.

    • 35
      Anonymous says:

      Miliband = loves Soviets who killed 20million+, including Latvians.
      hates Nazis who killed 5-6million, including a majority of Jews.

      QED: Milliband thinks Jewish lives are worth more than Latvians’.

      Now that IS racism

      • 63
        barefootcontessa says:

        Not surprised.

      • 67
        T Phillips says:

        No, learn will you only white English Anglo – Saxos can be racist, ok.

        • 258

          Marxists really DO believe that shit. It’s the definition of racism used by AlJaBeebya!

          When you hear an organisation is “institutionally racist” it doesn’t mean racism (that we understand) at all.

          • Master Baiter says:

            Israel is a racist apartheid state.

          • Parrot Shitizen Mong says:


            polly loves Sarah Palin
            SQWAAAAARWK! POLLY ONE LOVES SARAH PALIN!!! (whistle) (peck)

    • 52
      Off topic ish says:

      Dave’s new website goes live and already it is data mining.


    • 140
      War what is it good for? says:

      Marr v Brown v Routledge v Ashley v Mills v labour party

      sounds more like a civil war to me

    • 142
    • 158
      Odds on a curse? says:

      Will Obama get the olympics for the Windy City or has he been jinxed after meeting Jonah Last week?

      Madrid is also bidding and Jonah took the Spanish Prime Minister to Brighton this week so a betting man would do well to side with the Jonah effect and place a few bob on Rio de Janeiro winning.

      • 197
        An example of a statesman and an example of a lifeless man says:

        Watching the Chicago presentation and in particular the President’s part in the proceedings this morning,only highlights the giant gulf between a man who can so easily string superb sentences together that inspire and clarify and another man who projects nothing but bitterness,envy,jealousy,gloom,mediocrity and an overall sense of being becalmed amid an ocean of flat sea.

        Brown – if ever allowed to hold down a job – should be locked away in a room,never to be allowed near people,let alone money.

        I feel so angry that Brown is the front man (sorry,”person”…don’t send the police around Harman,they will only beat me, for I am a victim) for this nation and yet is so utterly devoid of even a molecule of ability to “do us proud”.

        • 264

          See Obama sans Autocue and your opinion will change. Americans hate him now.

          • Master Baiter says:

            No they don’t

          • Sarah Palin One says:

            hate him by having an approval rating of 52% in the worst recession most can remember with record unemployment and an unpopular war in Afghanistan

            the clinically insane like Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck hate him and so do Teabaggers and Murdochs Faux News but they loved the most unpopular President in modern History. Dubya

          • tat says:

            you are a hater anticitizen one.
            don’t be a hater, it is like a cancer that will kill you.

          • Mr Ned says:

            More and more Americans do hate Obama. They are NOT seeing any of the change he promised (although he never actually promised anything specific at all). All they are seeing are an extention of Bush’s policies in so many areas related to extending the wars and reducing the civil liberties of the people even further. Extending the warrantless wire tapping, extending the provisions of the USA PATRIOT act and looking to detain people indefinitely without charge or trial.

            People were hoping to see the criminals of the Bush Administration charged with crimes including torture and war-crimes. Obama backed off completely.

            The only change we have seen, is the massive increase in tax-payer bailout for the ultra elite banking sector and more money going into the private stock portfolio’s of the members of congress and the maladministration and failure to reform healthcare.

            Obama is looking like a failure. He tried to look tough to Isreal and stop their illegal settlement expansions. They told him to go fuck himself. he asked what position would they prefer him to do that?

            His “change” was (I cannot believe this was even possible, but) change for the worse. Obama is NOT the messiah that he was being prtrayed as by an utterly supine, fawning and inept media. The same supine, fawning and inept media that propagandised for Bush and Blair’s lies with wilful intent.

            From what I see, and I pay a great deal of attention to a very wide range of American media, Obama is an utter fuckwit and a failure. He is a great orator when given a good script. Just like Blair, his policies in action utterly fail to rise to his very carefully crafted and subliminally active words.

            They should have voted in Ron Paul!

          • Citizen Grouser says:

            With or without autocue, 197 is spot on when he says Obama’s sentence construction and content inspire and clarify brilliantly,

            Comparison with our Global leader doesn’t bear thinking of, but once the great Monoculist explains his vision, all will be clear.

            Especially if he gets Eva Brown to do it for him, as she seems more accomplished at public speaking, but then so is our old deaf dog.

          • Anonymous says:

            was that the Ron P. that Bruno shagged in the hotel room ?
            he’s not a joke politician at all
            the new world order and Lizard people made Bruno do that

      • 394
        Anonymous says:

        Oh dear.

        Jonah strikes again.


    • 203
    • 252

      Anybody remember Cecil Parkinson and that Sarah Keays person? The meeeja dined out – often literally – on that one for years, and never ceased to stop rollicking the Tories in general and even Thatcher (odd.)

      I think Private Eye ran the story on and off for nineteen years: it ought to know better where its bread is buttered, the Enemy Class always having been what it is.

    • 375
      Bottle-fed Triplet says:

      Yeah, he would be really “Menancing” wouldn’t he Guido?

  2. 2
    des says:

    “BBC presenter Andrew Marr was out of order, demanding to know, on live TV, whether the Prime Minister is taking anti-depressants –”

    But Marr asked if he was taking Painkillers, good of Routledge to set the record straight.

    • 7
      Road_Hog says:

      Is Gordon Brown on anti-depressants? They don’t seem to be working, perhaps he should try something else.

      • 15
        MisterE says:

        A shotgun would put us all out if his misery…

        • 57
          Mr Ned says:

          Shotgun? Too fast!

          Try this for size:

          The idea was that being upside down, the blood rushes to the brain and this had an effect of keeping the heathen devil worshippers conscious longer… to really experience the full pleasure of the saw cutting down as far as the chest.

          • barefootcontessa says:

            What about a touch of rendition for newlabour.

          • ºTATTARRATTATº says:

            Too much information.

          • MisterE says:

            Something tells me he might enjoy that though.

          • Member of TaT's Fan Club - Number one Fan! says:

            Why is that boring idiot copying tat’s name.
            Stop copying top boy you fucking twat.

          • Tesco is Shite says:

            They should take the twat out to Afghanistan, give him a flak jacket and a standard issue rifle and drop him off in the middle of hostile country with a boy scout compass. That’d teach the one-eyed Scottish moron ALL about courage. I detest the shrill, backbiting bummer David Starkey, but what he said on Question Time about our gutless, unelected PM was bang on the nail. It took guts to say it so publicly and I salute him for it.

      • 79
        Mayday, mayday says:

        What makes you think they aren’t working?

        Suppose they are working …

        What would he be like if he stopped

      • 374
        Brown's a Tosser says:

        IED under his desk would work.

    • 12
      Susie says:

      They, together with the rest of us, are really beginning to wonder just what the Prime Minister is on.

      • 68
        barefootcontessa says:

        The comforting Sarah said she’d be with him to infinity, that’s what must have done it.

        • 80
          My Hero says:

          She did say that Gordon gets up Very Early and is then Loud and Messy. Poor woman.

          • Bordeaux Binger says:

            Most babies do that. Is he in total regression ?

          • barefootcontessa says:

            She said that he gets up at ‘terrible times’, whatever that means.

          • Gordon's nasty habbits says:

            I think she meant, when he gets up it’s a terrible time.

          • Article 38 says:

            If you’d spent all night wearing a gimp suit locked inside a trunk, you’d be loud and messy too. Why Peter is so mean to Gordon, I just don’t know.

          • jgm2 says:

            With the clusterfuck he’s made of the UK economy I’m surprised the evil bastard can sleep at all.

        • 187
          RavingMad says:

          she must be on ecstacy then

        • 331
          Anonymous says:

          She also said that when he goes to bed he’s thinking about the country. Wouldn’t any woman in a normal relationship think that when her husband snuggles down, he is actually thinking about her and the possibility of a quickie??

      • 76
        ºTATTARRATTATº says:


      • 245
        Anonymous says:

        Please avoid insightful and penetrating comments such as “is on.” Such intellectual chicanery is beyond the grasp of the simian hordes herein. Instead I recommend nice, simply phrases such as “lost the plot” (euphemism for anything you disagree with), “twat,” and the timeless “you couldn’t make it up.” These are suitable for the drooling masses who vent their anti-semitic, xenophobic rants on this board. Add a TV tie-in and voila, you’ve got it. I recommend a gentle introduction through phrases such as “I’ll get me coat” etc ad nauseam). Equally, of course, should anyone have the temerity to disagree with you, then an immediate ad hominem attack is de rigeur here. I suggest the popular infantilistic “mong,” which can be easily levelled at a dissenter, might be a place to start. And, with all that, you’ll fit right in.

    • 13
      Seasick Dave says:

      Yes, it was the wrong question and probably allowed the gorgon to answer truthfully. Ish.

    • 28
      Sick of the greed says:

      I saw the interview and I was surprised that he was only asked if he took prescription painkillers and not anti depressants as is the rumour. I was amused to see the PM suddenly talk about his eye injury and ongoing checkups. I guess that means he didn’t actually deny it….

      • 39
        Dave is wrong says:

        I was surprised to hear Theresa May say on question time that she had not heard the rumours about Gordon’s health. Frankly I do not belive her and put it down to team Cameron spin, who are trying to be the nice party(in public) and saying that Marr should not have asked Gordon.

        Dave is wrong. If Gordon is taking drugs that affect his decision making then it affects all of us and the question does need to be asked.

        • 62
          Mr Ned says:

          Agreed. His full medical history should be available and as a condition of standing to be an MP, they should undergo a full mental health assessment.

          Lunatics are not allowed to vote, so why should an as yet, officially, undiagnosed, lunatic be allowed to be PM?

          • ºTATTARRATTATº says:

            He has his finger on the nuclear button. The mind boggles at an unelected manic depressive (less emphasis on the manic than depressive) psychopath on MAOIs and god knows what else being in such a position.

          • Anonymous says:

            Its not just the nuclear button but desisions such as police operations, raids, healthcare, other disasters and europe. The PM has to be 20/20 fit and mentally superior to those he or she as in this case governs over

          • Susie says:

            Neither are crminals heh heh.

          • RavingMad says:

            Brown would fail any M.O.T

          • Putin says:

            Considering his finger is on the nuclear button, I think the question is highly relevant

          • Call me Infidel says:

            Maybe we could get Dr. Daniel Ubani to give him a check up?

      • 81
        ºTATTARRATTATº says:

        That wasn’t Marr’s precise wording at all. He really put the boot in.

        • 144
          albacore says:

          He gave him the soft-shoe shuffle, dancing all around the houses like that pillock in the Monty Python flish-slapping sketch.

          • ºTATTARRATTATº says:

            I agree that he backed off after the low volume ‘no; (and rambling blindness bilge), but his original PRECISE wording put the boot in. It seems no-one else has noticed this.

          • tat says:

            use another name. don’t rip off mine or I will smash your fucking skull in c’unt.

    • 72
      ºTATTARRATTATº says:

      Dimblebum also got the wording purposely wrong on QT saying only painkillers – instead of quoting what Jug Ears actually said!

    • 89
      Great Granddad's Amphetamines Factory says:

      I wish that you lot would stop knocking one of my best customers.

    • 112
      Lord Fartlepool and Hoy says:

      I wish GB were depressed. One of the symptoms of depression, I understand, is that you believe that nothing is worth attempting. If GB stopped attempting things all the time we might get along better.

    • 205
      On the scrapheap says:

      Who gives a damn what he is on,in 8 months time the only thing he WILL be on is a scrapheap along with his comrade fraudsters – make sure they go nowhere near the re-cycling area for they are vermin that no one wants too experience again.

      • 272
        Mr Ned says:

        In less than 8 months we *might* have an empowered President Blair!!!

        How is Cameron going to deal with THAT? UKIP could win by a landslide!

        • 376
          Brown's a Tosser says:

          Find someway to hold a referendum. Still the Poles and Czechs will hopefully hold out to avoid the treaty being ratified.

  3. 3
    Great British Public says:

    Does the truth hurt, Gormless ?

  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    If Marr really did do that then he’s gone right down in my estimation.

    Any man who cheats on his partner is scum and should be treated as such!

    • 17
      English Viking says:

      It wasn’t his partner, it was his wife.

      • 30
        Doncaster Races says:

        Well said. I’m getting fed up with all this partner shite.

        • 51
          Anonymous says:

          Oh give over for fucks sake. I don;t know his marital status. Pick up a point worthy of commenting, not some triviality.

          Truly pathetic.

          • English Viking says:

            What is pathetic is that:

            1. You think that a partner and a wife are the same thing. Ask Mandelson if he thinks that they are.

            2. You are an anonymong.

          • Gonk says:

            Don’t be so bleedin touchy.

            Trivial is good.

        • 84
          Anonymous says:

          What a bunch of pedantic dickheads.

          EV, replying to your second post here as i cant reply to it directly –

          Get a fucking life!

          How empty must your world be to pick up on this rather than a genuine point?

          • West Midland Ethnic Councillor says:


            It is a genuine point. You’re not one of those who thinks that shacking up with your latest squeeze is equivalent to a life-long, publicly avowed, legal declaration of permanent union, are you?

            BTW, swearing will not make you right. I’m sure your mother must have told you-it’s not big and it’s not clever.

          • English Viking says:

            WMEC = English Viking. Forgot to change back.

          • Australian says:

            So now we know what you do in your day job, EngVik!!! ;-)

          • One flew over the No10 Bunker says:

            “EV, replying to your second post here as i cant reply to it directly ”

            By the way, the ‘I’ in that sentence should be a capital letter and ‘cant’ should have an apostrophe (can’t).

          • English Viking says:

            @ Australian

            No chance. I have enough self respect to earn my money myself. My ethnicity should be clear from my usual tag, although I understand that 50 years of succesive Governments pursuing an insane policy of multi-cultural annihilation of all that is really English may have confused matters. BTW, our boys are going to give your guys a lesson in showing a straight bat this afternoon.

            *Tongue in cheek*

          • Australian says:

            Good on you, EngVik. Looks like the “Viking” Counties are better at cricket these days than the “Saxon” Counties in the County championship!

            Mind you being of Viking stock would definitely place you in the “ethnic minority” around the Midlands (East or West) these days.

            We’ll know all about the effectiveness of the straight bat in a few hours, no doubt! You seem to have started well: 11-0 in the second over…

          • Australian says:

            That’s more like it: England 32-2 after 5 overs.

          • English Viking says:

            101-6. Normal service has resumed. Game over.

    • 19
      Minekiller says:

      Does that apply to women too? Since it usually takes two to commit the deed.

    • 162
      GordonIsAMoron says:

      Partner or wife – it is only “cheating” if you get caught.

    • 185
      Edwina Curry says:

      Well said. I totally agree.

    • 232
      Article 38 says:

      OK for the sisters though is it?

      You are Harriet Harman and I claim my £5.

  5. 5
    going mental says:

    what a load of bollocks from the mirror

  6. 6
    going mental says:

    cant gordon wish the mirror a long a sucsesful future ?

  7. 8
    Billy Blofeld says:

    Labour aren’t dying nicely are they? They are poisonous the whole way.

  8. 9
    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

    The “Hedy and Hoon” show could make for an interesting Sunday morning regular show, although the formers anal sphincter must be loosening up………..

  9. 10
    Moral Pedant says:

    As a matter of interest, what do we know of Routledge’s private life?

  10. 14
    The Fallen Angel says:


    There is a newspaper which still supports Labour!!! Bet that their sales figures decline when they are the only one running pro-Labour propaganda in the run up to the next General Election…

    As as said by an earlier poster- how nice of Paul routledge to put his size 9′s in it and use the words ‘anti-depressants’ when Marr was very careful to mention only prescription drugs. Lets start seeing people run with this story properly now….

  11. 16
    starfish says:

    Strange how this question addressed to the current PM was beyond the pale but the Mirror (especially that odious man Kevin McGuire) seemed happy to speculate about Dave’s university activities 20-odd years ago

    They don’t like it up ‘em do they?

  12. 18

    If Mr Brown is not taking pills, he should be!

  13. 21
    Anonymous says:

    If some Labour backbencher wants to make this personal then so be it.

    It still doesn’t address the issue of Brown’s appalling leadership, or make Marr’s question any less legitimate.

    I wonder if which ever backbencher has the guts to do the deed will be able to make a public interest case, as Marr was?

  14. 25
    Keep cock in trousers says:

    We are all subject to the maniac we are shackeld to, but to go to the lengths that Randy has, and successfully, to cover his indiscretion is brutal and two faced.

  15. 31
    genghiz the kahn says:

    But is this another case of Red on Red?

    Would Marr have ever dared to ask Brown or any other Government ministers if they had been taking recreational drugs? Jackie Smiff claimed that she had tried some drugs as a student. There was an odd story about odd substances being found in a house occupied by Dr Reid, or was that just some unsubstantiated smearing by XaNuLab (Scotland). Did Jug Ears bother Brown with questions on his expenses or when Barones Scotland was going to pack her bags?

    Perhaps Ole Jug Ears will try and insinuate that CMD has still been lining up some illicit substnances in an attempt to keep in with Goron the Moron.

  16. 34
    Peter Grimes says:

    Lots of ‘official denials’ by No10 have turned out to be complete & utter bollox. Why should we take any notice of this latest one?

    After all, Fuckwit Gordo McDoom is still on the telly lying about prudence, having paid down debt and looking after our troops.

    • 122
      Susie says:

      Precisely David Starkey’s point made on Any Questions last night. I watched it right through again just for the thrill of it.

      McDoom’s been lying for the last 6 months about public sector cuts too — even accusing Cameron of being Mr. 10% — when the Treasury docs prove that (uncannily) they were planning 10% cuts themselves.

      I really pity Cameron at next week’s conference, where does he start? So many, many lies to expose.

  17. 36
    Gladiatrix says:

    Dear Guido

    The link isn’t working and Marr has slapped Private Eye with an injunction of such complexity that it had to hire lawyers to persuade the court to let it tell its readers that it had been injuncted.

    • 50
      shelling-out says:

      So – Andrew [squeaky-clean] Marr isn’t as clean as he would like us to believe.

      He’s got a formidable opponent in Ian Hislop.

      • 77
        average bloke says:

        Hislop’s on Question Time next week.
        Radio Times said he was on yesterday, but that was their usual bollox.

      • 196
        What a Shower of Shit says:

        Who gives a flying fck about Flappy Ears’ private life ? He is paid to ask questions and he doesn’t pretend to run the country.

    • 133
      bandersnatch says:

      How has it come about that the like of Carter-Ruck can slap on these ‘super-injunctions’ and they work? So super-duper are they that nothing may be said that they even exist, and no discussion or reference to them, or what they have been slapped on or why can be made.

      The first I heard of this amazingly unjust and oppressive supposed ‘libel protection device’ was when the McCanns got C-R onto book burning, and newspaper gagging, and sueing people left right and centre, and taking down websites, and I don’t know what else, on highly dubious grounds of hurt and damage to themselves and their interests. How is this defendable in law?

      • 166
        Rip Van Winkle says:

        Just a question. What is the link between the McCanns and Scottish Raj currently in power?

        • 332
          • bandersnatch says:

            Thanks, Anon. Yes, I heard that too, but it doesn’t seem enough to account for all the immensely and disturbingly powerful shenannigans, and I can’t separate ‘internet myth’ from what is likely to be the case. IYSWIM. Will a change of government mean a bit of elucidation, I wonder.

      • 184
        Moley says:

        Marr wants everybody to know; that’s why he’s doing it.

        He’s giving it as much publicity as possible so that everybody finds out the truth on the Internet.

        With labour going, he’s out of a job, and his new role of comedian requires everybody to be pointing a finger and laughing at him.

        If he had the interests of his children (all of them) at heart, he would either come completely clean or shut up.

        He knows he’s acted disgracefully and is trying to cover it up, but the cover-up compounds the original misdeed; it does not mitigate it.

  18. 38
    SO17 says:

    This is like watching a wolf in a bear trap chewing its own leg off.

  19. 40
    Anonymous says:

    OK Dave Milliband your starter for 10

    nL = J

    where L = one Latvian dead in a concentration camp, and J = one J*w dead in a concentration camp.

    How large does n have to be before you stop idolising the Soviet Union whilst hypocritically getting “sick” about Nazis?

    Surely for most normal people, n would be one. But not for Miliband the racist.

    (PS words censored due to Guido’s ridiculously pro-Semitic filtering).

    • 86
      Mr Ned says:

      I agree entirely with where your post is coming from, however, the evil Soviets (who slaughtered far more people than Hitler did) were still on OUR side in the second world war against the German Axis.

      That is how these lefties can seem to get away with supporting evil, because it was Our ALLIES evil, and that is somehow not really evil, cos we were the good guys.

      • 101
        English Viking says:

        The Russians were on the Russians side during WWII. That just coincidentally happen to be the same side as us, until May 8, 1945.

        • 121
          jgm2 says:

          Quite so. There was an interesting documentary on a few months ago about the help the Russians gave the Germans during their 18 months of ‘neutrality’. And their sterling treatment of the Polish officer class too.

          Apparently Uncle Joe couldn’t believe the Germans had reneged after all the help he’d given Hitler. They had to drive him down to the front to witness the fighting before he accepted reality.

          This is what we need to do with the bone-headed 26%.

        • 269
          UK Fred says:

          Well, they were for some of the time. What about the Ribbentrop – Molotov pact? That lasted until Brown – sorry Hitler – invaded Russia.

          • English Viking says:

            Exactly, they were on the side which suited them best at that moment in time, i.e Their own. If Hitler had not attacked Russia and the Brits had managed to continue to put up stubborn resistance, I think it would have been likely that Russia would have got involved on the Nazi side to avoid being left out of the spoils of war. Self interest and land grabs were basically what ensued after the victory in ’45, the Russians stared another war in Korea in the ’50′s and then pursued a ‘cold war’, which almost became ‘hot’ on at least 3 occassions, eventually being forced to abandon this policy after bankrupting themselves in the ’90′s. Allies they may have been, friends they were not.

      • 102
        Ctesibius says:

        Not true. Though it is a common misconception.

        Until Hitler invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941 Soviet Russia supported their National Socialist brothers in Germany. The two countries jointly invaded our ally Poland. Soviet Russia ONLY came in on our side because their Nazi friends treacherously invaded them.

        Without Soviet raw materials Germany would have been far weaker.

        The NKVD and the Gestapo established a very strong working relationship 1939-41 and found that they had much in common.

        • 126
          Mr Ned says:

          Indeed, That is correct,

          The biggest casualties of the second world war were the German’s followed by the Russians. They were our allies when they were sending millions of their people to slaughter and be slaughtered, thus fighting the Nazis to a dead halt in Western Russia, this allowed the other allies to battle back and beat Hitler to defeat. Without the Russians, we would have lost WW2.

          • Phil O'Pastree says:

            Germany invaded Russia after it saw the Red Army’s performance in Finland during the Winter War. Hitler thought they’d be a pushover.

          • hang on bozos says:

            And without Roosevelt getting America into WWII you, the English, would have had to sue for terms with Hitler, due to your lifeline across the Atlantic being severed by U-boats, as happened in the First World War, with again the US coming into the war to tip the balance. Roosevelt secretly ordered the sinking of any German warships by the US Navy on 12 Sep. 1941, three months before America’s delaration of war against the Axis powers following Pearl Harbour. Roosevelt was a warmonger, who against the overwhelming opinion of ordinary Americans engineered America’s way into WWII. The European war to reclaim the lands taken from the Germans by the Versailles Treaty was not won on the Eastern Front, it was lost to the Germans by the clandestine actions of Roosevelt’s administration from 1939 onwards.

          • GordonIsAMoron says:

            To Phil O’ Pastree – the Soviet’s were a push over to begin with – the biggest surrender of troops ever in history occurred – that is how so many Russian soldiers ended up in German concentration camps (and they were very badly treated since Stalin had refused to sign the Geneva Convention). What defeated Hitler were the same foes as defeated Napoleon – stretched supply and communication lines combined with the Russian winter. Once Japan attacked the US, Uncle Joe was able to bring fresh forces back from the far east (since Japan was no longer a threat) to counter attack once the German army had been weakened by General Winter.

          • Sir William Waad says:

            Well, no, actually China suffered the greatest losses, and Poland the greatest as a percentage of its population. You shouldn’t really count the hundreds of thousands of Sovet troops who were shot or otherwise exterminated by the Soviets themselves in an orgy of atheist violence.

          • Phil O'Pastree says:

            Gordonisamoron, yes but the Red Army had never been tested in conventional battle until the Winter War of

            They were so inneffective because Stalin had wiped out his professional officer class and replaced them with political lackeys who didn’t know very much about warfare.

            When the Finns gave an overwhelming kicking to the Soviets and although technically the latter won it was a Pyrrhic victory and Stalin barely achieved his initial objective.

            I spent some time in Scandanavia and one thing you learn is not to drink nor fight with the Finns. They are real hard bastards and usually carry a knife in their boot.

          • Phil O'Pastree says:

            Stalin killed more Russians than the Germans did.

          • Anonymous says:

            “hang on bozos”

            piss off, we don’t want any revisionist “US won the war in Europe” tripe here.

            The US propaganda machine would have you believe it.

            We saw how they won the war in Asia, by nuking hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.


          • Phil O'Pastree says:

            He was speaking of the War in Europe not Asia. The Wermacht was better trained and equipped than any other army. The reason the Allies won was because of superior numbers thanks to the yanks providing the manpower and selling us the additional supplies we needed.

          • GnosticBrian says:

            Mr Ned / Ctesibius
            Our “gallant Polish allies” had a fascist government that was happy to share with Hitler in the break up of Czechoslovakia. Soviet casualties in WWII are conservatively estimated at 25,000,000; German at 10,000,000. It was the Red Army that tore the guts out of the German war machine. Stalin was a Georgian but the Russians decided to fight for him and against the equally vile Hitler largely because they hadn’t much of a choice and if anything they preferred the dictator that spoke Russian.

          • Cyco Billy says:

            Soviet fatality rate was not helped by official orders that any fighter taking as much as one step backwards was to be shot as a traitor. You’d have to wonder who the Communist high command was helping thereby.

      • 351
        thatguy says:

        When they started slaughtering Latvians the Soviet Socialists were on the same side as the National Socialists.
        The Soviet Socialists only stopped slaughtering Poles in great numbers when the National Socialists attacked them. As the Poles were on our side and the Soviets wanted to join our side they had to stop slaughtering Poles. They did however continue to slaughter Latvians as Latvia had ceased to exist and was on nobody’s side

      • 371
        Jonathan says:

        Actually, the Soviet Union was on Hitlers side from 17th September 1939 , when they invaded Poland, until 22st June 1941, when Germany invaded the Soviet Union. They supplied the Germans with millions of barrels of oil and tens of thousands of tons of copper, chromium, manganese and steel and other strategic materials in return for machine tools and precision optics. Stalin even sent Hitler a telegram congratulating him on the fall of France!

    • 99
      English Viking says:

      Nazi. Colloquial contraction used to indicate The Nationalsozialtische Arbeiter Partei. The National SOCIALIST WORKERS party. The clue is in the name really.

      • 115
        Sir William waad says:

        Actually the NSDAP, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. Doesn’t make a fat lot of difference if you’re on the receiving end, obviously.

      • 188
        GordonIsAMoron says:

        We have had this discussion before – Nazis are only “far right” in the minds of lefties and the Beeb. In reality they are big state socialists who also happen to be fervent nationalists and racists. The B & P is a case in point – their manifesto reads like Labour’s under Michael Foot until you get to the bits about immigrants.

        • 373
          Jonathan says:

          Friedrich Hayek said that, before he fled Austria, he always used to think it funny how interchangeable the membership of the communist and Nazi parties were.

    • 114
      Erin says:

      what, the plastic, fat paddy a war criminals lover?

      take your ‘Irish’ shite and shove it pizza boy.

      • 237
        Lance Boyle says:

        Errr, Pot kettle to Earth… Pot kettle to Earth…

        You’re the shill here for the New Labour War-Crimes, occupation and repression Partei.

        Why not send a pizza to Gordon?… Kosher low-cal for Mr Mandelson, of course.

  20. 41
    Postal Vote says:

    Can anyone explain to me why and since when the Mirror and labour are so close? Thanks

    Reason for my ignorance: i’m non-uk, not in uk (used to) (and now don’t go shouting I should not litter this blog because I’m an ex-immigrant – luckily i was not employed by the baroness, my employer did ask and saw and copied my passport)

    • 61
      shelling-out says:

      The Daily Mirror has been a Labour paper for as long as I can remember (I’m in my 50′s).

      I don’t buy it myself, but assume it still is.

    • 75
      Sir William Waad says:

      Please cast ALL your postal votes against Gordon when the time comes.

    • 136
      rick says:

      The Mirror has always tried to appeal to what used to be called the ‘working classes’ simply because there are more of them – hence the Labour party and Union connection. This demographic is the easiest to exploit.

    • 218
      Phil O'Pastree says:

      Most newspapers align themselves to a political group. The Daily Mirror and the Sunday Pictorial, as my old dad insisted on still calling it, have always been Labour. The Sun came into existence as a Mirror clone but aimed at more right wing working class people. The Sun is even more dumbed down than the Mirror (in its socialist modesty) and has since spawned many rivals like The Star (even more dumber). Auberon Waugh described it as a “Monument to Human Stupidity” but nonetheless The Sun has consistently been the most popular newspaper in Britain, which probably says more about the people of Britain than of Waugh.

      It was quite a coup then for New Labour to gain the Sun’s support 12 years ago but now they apparently don’t think that it matters any more (yeah, right!).

      • 318
        Lil Olmey says:

        the ‘Sunday Pictorial’ … did he call it that because it’s ‘readers’ only looked at the pictures, or perhaps because it was only read by Picts ?

    • 275
      T Phillips says:

      Pray tell how does one become an’ex’ immigrant.

  21. 43
    going mental says:

    why doesnt ashcroft buy the mirror should cost a couple of £ and to see toilets face when he is told = priceless

  22. 45
    Anonymous says:

    Tough on Marr.

    He also lives in the public spotlight and wants to be a celebrity.

    Therefore he needs to be a bit more careful about his private life.

  23. 46
    Rip Van Winkle says:

    The lies, the distortions, the half-truths, the omissions, the ‘D’ notices.

    Isn’t it fun to see Socialist scum in-fighting, devouring each other in a maelstrom of back-biting with menaces. Another 6 months of this and whole train is going over.

    Bring it on.

  24. 47
    Dunfilming says:

    Quote from Sunday Times article on the Ponce of Darkness:

    “Mandelson is like a film director who, having worked with Cary Grant (Blair), now finds himself working with an extra from Emmerdale”

  25. 53
    Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

    Do folk still buy The Mirror in any great quantity? The only time I ever see it is in the local chippy on the counter next to The Sun. (The Sun is always left open where the last person looked at it normally page 3 but The Mirror is always closed as if never having been opened).

  26. 55
    Fred says:

    Well according to the story Marr indicated he was going to ask the question some time before the interview. Labour ministers told him not to do it. I guess they thought they had him in their pocket, but you would have thought they would have briefed Gordon Brown that it might come up and be prepared? Seems they didn’t and Marr asked the question and Brown fluffed his response making it look like he was as high as a kite.

    Now we have the Labour luvvy media saying “Marr should never have asked the question, its a disgrace!” when what they really mean is “Marr should never have asked the question – NuLabour told hime not to!”.

    Whatever. Fact is that it was a slow ball that should have been easy to play and Brown should have used it as an opportunity to laugh it off and make it perfectly clear he was drug free. That was proably how Labour luvvy Marr meant it to be, but GB is so fucked up he convinced the public he is off his head on all manner of mind altering substances. They’ll be comparing him with Wacko Jacko next.

    • 98
      Susie says:

      And this begs the question why did NuLabour ask Marr not to ask the question because the rumours were true and they were worried that in his fragile mental state he’d fluff it?

      If someone asked me something like that I’d laugh and say “ask my GP, although patient confidentiality and all that, might not get you an answer”.

      ‘Stead of which Brown goes into a sulk and then two days later proves to us all (twice in as many interviews) on prime-time live TV that he’s out of control before 9:00 am before the pills have kicked in.

      • 108
        shelling-out says:

        That’s why Mandy was brought back. They needed a mouthpiece for government who would be able to talk his way out of anything. He doesn’t need a script, unlike Gordon.

        What’s the betting that Gordon will take more of a back seat from now on and Mandy/Harriet/ will be up front answering all the difficult questions.

      • 134
        barefootcontessa says:

        The die is cast for newlabour. Too late to get rid of the gorgon, they are just going to have to sweat the BIG drop.

    • 104
      Mr Ned says:

      Comparing the Brown mentalist with whacko Jacko? IF ONLY?

      Yeah I would love to compare their corpses!

      One is a disgusting, alleged child abusing person who was well past his best and desperately seeking a turn around in his career. The other was Michael Jackson

    • 109
      Ctesibius says:

      Exactly. Brown’s bizarre behaviour and the lengths to which Labour are going to avoid having the question asked make it look very much as though depression is a huge problem for McBroon.

      • 328

        It’s not depression and it’s not Aspergers, he was obviously extremely bothered in interviews after that moment. He’s definitely hiding something medical.

        It might be ADHD, unable to make a decision, wandering thoughts, tantrums…

        Is he on Ritalin?


  27. 64
    ºTATTARRATTATº says:

    Routledge menacing Marr is like Prescott menacing the sweets trolley – entirely predictable in the Mirror’s usual Pavlovian way.

    • 228
      LemonMeringuePie says:

      yep, he’s a bleeding’ nuisance, takes three when you can only have one

      • 304
        John Prescnut says:

        What makes you think I’m stopping at three puddings? I’ll ‘ave the ‘ole trolley load, ta…

    • 353
      tat says:

      oh and my fans sometimes like to read my posts by entering my name into the search engine.
      now when they type my name in they will find your fucking useless and boring comments.
      you have already received your final warning.
      comply with the order or be modded like a motherfucker.

  28. 70
    Sir William Waad says:

    Ah but, Guido, Ms Miles’ little bundle of joy wasn’t the private matter that Routledge was hinting at. There is a much juicier matter – Lugholes’ love-romp with the entire Government, a squalid and degrading affair lasting many years, conducted at the taxpayer’s expense. It seems to be over now, but whether it was just a lover’s tiff or an irredeemable breakdown remains to be seen.

  29. 78
    Rhodders Morgan says:

    As the old saying goes, it is not what you know but who you are poking!

  30. 82
    McGroom says:

    If the prime minister was taking medication for a physical illness like arthritis, then he should be left alone.

    However, http://www.notbornyesterday.org/brownhealth2.htm is making a reasoned conclusion to why Gordon Brown has some supposed special dietary requirements of avoiding Chianti, ripe avocados and cheese. Any GP will tell you avoiding these food groups is a clear indicator that the patient is taking a rarely prescribed anti-depressant because the normal drugs are no longer effective.

    The electorate does have a right to know if the prime minister is taking rarely prescribed strong medication to stabilise his mental state.

    The media should continue to ask questions if the prime minister has special dietary requirements and why.

    • 236
      RavingMad says:

      As Moyo said on QT last night – we have a right to know – as a public servant (I know, it’s funny isn’t it??) it is in our interests to know of any condition or medication that may effect Brown’s behaviour and decision making. We pay him to do his fucking job, after all!!!

    • 361
      D L George says:

      Someone above said he was eating nothing but pizza since the conference.

      Maybe it’s a zanu ruse to stop people talking, or is there a special cheese that can be eaten while taking that stuff?


      Is it possible He’s stopped taking the pills because of Marr? if so, it could explain his unstable state this week, plus, His new addiction to food he’s previously been banned from eating.

  31. 91
    Alice Miles says:

    Andy has a very big cock haven’t you marr baby.

  32. 92
    Thats News says:

    What would Paul Routledge DO with this information? Besides reminding people that he is an odious waste of space?

  33. 103
    24HourBore says:

    I do love it when I detest everyone involved – Marr, Ashley, Brown, Routledge, ever one a hoon or hooness.

  34. 105
    The PM shouldn't be disturbed but this cunt is says:

    Yes old news but i cannot understand why a sort like Miles would allow the self regarding, pompous, dull, scotch wank near her toilet area

  35. 120
    mad fred 2 para says:

    Last night another soldier…………………….

    New Labour war criminal SCUM.

  36. 125
    Gorgon, leaving the s hitter says:

    Oh – I feel better already – now where did I leave me pills?

  37. 135
    Doris says:

    How pathetic is that from the Mirror?

    Threatening to smear Marr for asking a very relevant question to our die hard (and utterly useless) one-eyed leader.

    The left are clearly quaking in their boots. They realise that after 12 years of watching nulabour smear people, we have all learned how to do it now; and they really don’t like that do they? A taste of their own medicine!

    • 148
      barefootcontessa says:

      They learnt it all from the lowest of the low the scummiest of the scum, Alistair Campbell.

  38. 147
    Obama is a Twat says:

    So have the turd sniffers at the Mirror apologised about Toilets Maguire and his 10 questions for Cameron about drugs?

  39. 150
    Citizen Smith says:

    It’s another bitter pill that Brown has to swallow.

    • 221
      Doc Trough says:

      M..M….Mis…Mister Squeaker!

      “When the wheel of fortune broke, you fell to me
      Out of grey skies to change my misery
      The vacant spot, your beating heart took its place
      But now I watch smoke leave my lips and fill an empty room

      For the bitterest pill is hard to swallow
      The love I gave hangs in sad coloured, mocking shadows

      The bitterest pill is mine to take
      If I took it for a hundred years, I couldn’t feel any more ill.”


      Well Snotty, whether ye be at butt or muzzle,things can only get better…..

  40. 152
    Anonymous says:

    Brown’s rattled, very rattled. Must be all those pills rattling.

  41. 154
    It's a funny old World says:

    Oh dear it seems that there’ll be no more “cosy” one -to-one interviews soon between Andy & Gordon in the future then ? .Never mind there’s still GMTV’s Sofa although it’s not the same without “Fiona”

  42. 155
    Master Baiter says:

    The Mirror is our tool of smear and fear and lies, when we can’t do ourselves, of course. ssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

  43. 156

    It seems to me that it’s an obvious gambit to permit Randy Andy Marr to pop the question to Cameron (didya know he went to Eton?) about the allegations of his own antics next Sunday. All square, we asked Gordano, now it’s your turn, pal.

    Would be an interesting gambit, were DC to say (for example) “you know what, to quell speculation about all this, I admit, I smoked myself stupid a few times back in the late 80s. Did the odd line, too. Not something I’m proud of now, just everyone was doing it back then. There. I’ve levelled with you.”

    Puts the whole thing to bed, nice n tidy. And any ZaNuLab hysterics will (a) blow over by the GE and (b) only serve to throw a harsh spotlight upon Browngabe’s non-denial of Marr’s fluffed question last Sunday.

    • 168
      FrankFisher says:

      Agreed. Transparency and clarity deal with a host of issues. Just stick it there on the table, say it’s over and done with, and say you’ll let the voters decide if it’s an issue for them.

      Bish bosh, job done.

      • 170

        …and I suspect 95% of ‘em will conclude that some daft antics 20 years ago when most young bucks like to let off a bit of steam has naff all to do with fitness to practice now, in direct contrast to a chap who is currently only being kept vaguely sentient on pills, patches, suppositories, whatever

        • 242
          streamfisher says:

          Where will this line of questioning end, with suppositories?.

        • 251
          Susie says:

          Actually, it would be 27 years ago. He readily admits he nearly took the wrong road as a 16 year old, but the school disciplined him (what you pay Eton for) and set him back on the right track:

          “Cameron is alleged to have faced trouble as a teenager in May 1983, six weeks before taking his O-levels, when he had allegedly smoked cannabis. Because he admitted the offence and had not been involved in selling drugs, he was not expelled, but he was fined, prevented from leaving school grounds, and given a “Georgic” (a punishment which involved copying 500 lines of Latin text).

          Cameron recovered from this episode and passed 12 O-levels, and then studied three A-Levels in History of Art, History and Economics with Politics. He obtained three ‘A’ grades and a ’1′ grade in the Scholarship Level exam in Economics and Politics.” Wikipedia

          Doesn’t sound like a wastrel to me.

          • jgm2 says:

            Kudos. Smoking cannabis before his ‘O’ levels and still nails 12 of the fuckers.

            Plus 3 x ‘A’s at ‘A’ Level. Beat that Miliband. Two ‘D’s that thick fucker got.

          • > Doesn’t sound like a wastrel to me.

            “History of Art, History and Economics with Politics.” sounds like a waste of education to me! Especially as academic economics is 100% wrong.

            Why can’t we have someone with a BSc BEng background??? No wonder we are so fucked.

          • Mr Ned says:

            This was back in the days when you had to do more than spell your name right to get a passing grade too!

            12 ‘O’ levels in the early 1980′s is exceptionally bright.

          • Anonymous says:

            AC1 – we have of course, had one PM with a science degree.

            Wonder who she was?

          • Anonymous says:

            sounds like a PR man
            sounds like Bliar
            sounds like a wimp on lisbon

      • 189
        jgm2 says:

        It’s high risk because the Labour Party smear machine will go into high gear about recidivism rates and ‘can you be really sure?’

        But then if he were to be honest on this he can pursue the honesty theme to reveal the true horror of the nations finances and the steps that will have to be taken to get them under control. And compare that with the lies, misdirection, weasel words and concealment that typifies the Labour approach.

        ‘I have made mistakes and I acknowledge them and I address them. Labour make mistakes and hide them and conceal them and lie and seek to bury them (veiled reference to Dr Kelly there) and make a bad situation infinitely worse’.

        Labour lies ‘v’ Tory honesty.

        • 219
          FrankFisher says:

          And of course the great thing is you can turn it around to each and every journalist in the land – “Well, I’ve told the truth about my past drug taking Mr hack; how about yours? When did you last take cocaine?”

          Without charlie the BBC would collapse in a week.

          • Susie says:

            Yeah and especially CBeebies, all the viewers must be so reassured to leave little Sophie and Hamish in the hands of screaming coke heads.

        • 308
          Trimbush says:

          investment vs cuts

    • 210
      bergen says:

      And by the same token Marr’s decision to go to the Courts to protect his private life has made it a story.Let’s face it-as a story it would have been forgotten in a week.

    • 264
      Article 38 says:

      He should also make the point that it is the medication one takes while in office that should concern the public and leave it there…

  44. 159
    FrankFisher says:

    So Gordon answers a question Marr didn’t ask, and now Marr is being abused for asking a question he didn’t ask also?

    Confused? You will be….



    Holy fuck.

    We are gathered here today to witness the passing of the newspaper trade, tragically cut down by t’internet. Despite a valient struggle, drunken hacks, or aristocratic hacks, or drunken and aristocratic hacks were unable to recognise or counter the challenge posed by Joe Public and a broadband connection. And so they died.

    They really won’t be much missed at all.

  45. 176
    elvis says:

    GB was introduced at the conference by his wife who talks about his “private life” its open season.

  46. 180
    Anonymous says:

    Labour’s mask has slipped now that everything is turning against them. Their evil, tyrannical face has been revealed.

    It was bound to happen eventually with a sick sociopath like Brown leading them.

  47. 183
    Thatcher-right says:

    The thing that I find funniest is that a skilled operator would have been able to turn the question to his advantage:
    “I’m glad you raised that question because it allows me to quash those malicious rumours which spread by my political enemies for their own ends. Of course I’m not worried for myself. I’m a big boy and can cope with this sort of playground name calling but I have a young family…”
    Maybe that is the response that Mr Marr was expecting.

    • 226
      bergen says:

      But Brown has spent his career avoiding open debate-he simply recites the latest tractor production statistics but does his McCavity act when hard questions are asked.As a result he can’t cope with them now.

    • 229
      Anonymous says:

      Excellent. You are obviously destined for high office.

    • 233
      GordonIsAMoron says:

      I hate to say it, since I despise him, but you can be pretty sure that Blair would have handled that way and in good humour too.

      • 259
        It's a funny old World says:

        Labour would probably still lose the 2010 election but at least Blair would have schmoozed his way to defeat and probably into “hung parliament” territory as well. Ignoring the total mess that Brown has made since he was allowed to become leader of the Labour Party the far more damning indictment is that the Labour had the actual lack of judgement to actually allow him to become leader but I suppose they had no choice.Brown as leader and an electoral disaster and wipe out in the polls or a sulking Brown sniping at the leader from either the backbenches(although I doubt that he would have accepted going to the backbenches – far too demeaning)or getting his supporters in the Commons to cause havoc as they did under Blair and of course he would keep telling everybody “How only he could have saved the Labour Party” much like his present fairy tale of saving the world economy/banking sytem and it was at least better to show once and for all that Brown was totally useless as leader and Prime Minister and so they allowed him to become leader just to keep him quiet.But boy are they paying for that act of cowardice !!

  48. 186
    Stronghold Barricades says:

    Publishing the “scandal” says more about the publisher than the victim

    Such threats are extremely childish, but then their beloved Labour Party now appear to be continually challenged on their policies and they are being found out

    The Limp Dems are becoming more electable than NuLiebour

    Won’t a Cameron victory ensure Marr is thrown from the BBC anyway?

    • 316
      Pythagorus says:

      No – you need principles to maintain his current stance – but he’ll go with the wind – as he’s proven already – and he’ll be grateful – very grateful.

      This is what ‘change’ means to professional media reporters – The Sun Marr DEFRA the whole lot – policy will dictate even science

  49. 190
    ex-labour says:

    Brown isn’t on painkilers or anti-depressants. He is on tranquilisers which they hope will keep his gargantuan rages and anger under control.

    As he becomes increasingly frustrated and things stop going his way his tantrums will become uncontrollable.

    A socioapth with his massive personality disorder should never have been allowed to become prime minister.

    The Labour Party are a disgrace for foisting this deranged creature upon us.

  50. 191
    Anonymous says:

    It’s lucky Mandy came back – things have been going so much better for Gordon ever since.

  51. 200
    bofl says:

    funny old world.we brits cast aspersions about saddam or kim il brown,soorry jung or chavez yet we wont face up to the fact that we do actually need a sane pm that hasnt lived his whole life believing that he is the saviour of the world .

    one that doesnt disappear all the time or chase the u.s president into the toilets to look at his cock-or tell everyone he is going to sell our gold thus costing us £7 billion-against the advice of his bankers/traders…….

    yes gordon the man who never paid for a drink or a lunch paid for the advice yet as he knows it all completely rejected it………if he was working at a trading firm he would have been sacked immediately…..i digress…….

    apparently he didnt like the ‘hothouse experiment’ that he endured at school.

    well i dont like the ‘nuthouse experiment’ he is making me endure.

    i will be visiting my gp shortly for some painkillers……..

  52. 206
    Anonymous says:

    Andrew Marr, it’s well known that he is Mi five

    • 211
      Anonymous says:

      It’s also well known that Routledge is right up Brown’s arse. Perhaps he thinks we won’t notice the skeletons from up there?

      • 303
        P1 says:

        Also, Campbell made similar remarks, and threats, a couple of days ago – noting that Marr might wish to keep certain aspects of his own private life under wraps. This is what we can expect from a Brown/Balls/Campbell/Mandelson elction team of course, which is why it’s doomed to fail.

        • 342
          bandersnatch says:

          I may be slow but I can’t see why Marr doesn’t say ‘publish and be damned’… and then, though it would be unpleasant for all concerned, just tough it out.

    • 216
      Which motorway is he? says:

      I thought he lived near the M4?

    • 302
      Debbie says:

      Marr is a communist of the Gramsci school of political revolution. A thouroughly disgusting man and THIS is what he thinks of people who want to remain free:

      The journalist who wrote what you are about to read, felt secure enough in his own elite, establishment role to lay his totalitarian beliefs on the line in his own column and, as the newspaper’s editor and owners were content to see such material published, one must presume that they also were not averse to seeing such a Brave New World imposed upon the dumb, British herd.

      This is what was said:

      “Widespread and vigorous miscegenation (race mixing)… is the best answer…

      Teachers are the most effective anti-racist campaigners in the country, this means more than education in other religions, it means a form of POLITICAL EDUCATION. Only people who understand the economic forces changing their world, threatening them… have a chance of being immune to the old tribal chants.

      And the final answer, frankly, is THE VIGOROUS USE OF STATE POWER TO COERCE AND REPRESS!…


      STAMP HARD on certain ‘natural’ beliefs for long enough and you can almost KILL THEM OFF!…


      When I read this article I felt the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.

      1984? Animal Farm? We had arrived, we were there already. It wasn’t paranoia after all, it was very, very real.

      It didn’t matter what we did, it didn’t matter what we said, it didn’t matter what we wanted, it didn’t matter how we voted, the same old dark manipulators would always be in charge and we better start getting used to it, OR ELSE!

      The liberal commissar responsible for the casual sabre rattle recorded above, was none other than that most languid Master of political ceremonies, Andrew Marr, top bloke at the BBC and one of the most powerful political journalists of the age.

      The chattering classes have every bit as much of a hold over our lives as the politicians do.

      They hand our opinions to us on a plate, they shape our beliefs and attitudes. Everything the media throws at us, from cradle to grave, affects the way we behave and think. Shiny eyed zealots such as Andrew Marr and Tony Blair do not care what we want or feel, they care only for the promised land that their wisdom, their insight and their determination will lead us on to in the future.

      So now you know.

      Now you know what THEY have been doing all this time.

      Now you know what THEY have been thinking all this time.

      Now you know what THEY are still doing and thinking and will carry on doing and thinking until THEY are stopped.

      And they won’t stop, you know. They won’t, all of a sudden, come to their senses. They won’t change their minds and have some kind of Damascene conversion when they realise what terrible damage their idiot, schoolboy Bolshevism has done to us. You see, we don’t count, they do. We don’t know, they do. It’ll be good for us in the long run, you see.

      We don’t seem to have realised that “repression can be a great, civilising instrument for good”. We don’t seem to be aware that if evangelistic upper-crust brainboxes like Marr and Blair “stamp hard on certain natural beliefs for long enough” and “kill them off”, why, we’ll all live happily ever after in their global, elite-run Wonderland!

      That’s us Andrew Marr is talking about, folks.


  53. 217
    trouble at'mill says:

    I love to see civil war raging again amongst the comrades!

    They always end up fighting like ferrets in a sack.

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    Oct. 1 (Bloomberg) — Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc and Lloyds Banking Group Plc, rescued by British taxpayers last year, injected 3.03 billion euros ($4.4 billion) into their Irish units during the past 10 months amid rising real estate losses.

    Records in Dublin’s Companies Registration Office show the two banks made a series of six payments, with the first in December and the most recent in August. RBS injected about 1.58 billion euros, while Lloyds sent 1.45 billion euros.

    “The scale of that figure is quite shocking,” Brian Lucey, associate professor of finance at Trinity College Dublin, said in an interview. “They weren’t leaders in the Irish market. The figure just shows the level of clean-up needed.”

    • 288
      Susie says:

      I can see a nice little Euro election no/yes vote scandal brewing here. Come on FT dig deeper.

      So two 75% British taxpayer owned banks have been shoring up a foreign property market ahead of a crucial vote? Where’s Mandy’s mucky paw prints in this?

    • 337
      CityCat says:

      David Miles of the Bank of England MPC said on Wednesday that new rules will require banks to hold more high quality assets than they did before the crisis. Market participants have long suspected that UK banks are buying equities with cheap money from the government as their core business earnings decline.

      Traders suspect that the banks are not concerned about making a loss if the economy does not get better as rates will remain low and they will just borrow more cheap money and buy more equities. As the BoE have pledged to do whatever it takes to avoid deflation, it would appear the government is indirectly funding equity purchases by the rescued banks (RBS and Lloyds) to give the impression of growth and faith in the recovery.

      This would be of great assistance to all the global banks that need to sell shares to raise capital if other banks can buy their shares using the governments money.

      No wonder the government doesn’t want to pay bonuses to bankers who are creating profits using our money.

  55. 231
    Dr Spock's knobbing handbook says:

    If she had been swallowing her pills like pill-popping Gordo then there would be one less Marrtian on the planet.

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    • 250
      Anonymous says:

      Any publicity is good publicity. Surprised they haven’t offered her commission.

    • 255
      Phil O'Pastree says:

      In closing I would like to thank you for the huge influx of traffic to my website which your [Harman's] actions have caused,” Galahad wrote.

      I am sure that the ladies who are a part of the PunterNet community thank you as well, as they will no doubt benefit financially from the many new clients who might otherwise never have found them.

      She really is a useless chump.

      • 306

        Proves even more that Liebour don’t get the internet.

        Tell them to look up “Streisand Effect”, named after singer Barbara who sued a photographer for taking a photo of her house.

        He was actually taking a photo of every house from the air as part of a scientific survey of coastal erosion in the area. The lawsuit meant that millions of ‘celeb-hunters’ saw the picture, rather than a few scientists and students who really didn’t care who lived there!

  57. 238
    Doc Trough says:


    Is there room for a pony?

  58. 247
    Keith says:

    Marr’s private life is of no interest to anyone except, of course, NuLab’s bullies and fixers. Comrade Routledge is dead right: if you don’t suck up to Gordon something nasty will probably be said about you. Not by Gordon personally – he wouldn’t have the courage to do his own dirty work – but by someone on the say-so of his “sources.” The interesting thing is that Comrade Routledge is basically admitting that the Prime Minister is a low political bully. Is that supposed to impress us?

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    A war criminal is going to be President of the EU? How very apt. says:


    Save yourselves from President Blair!

    Vote NO!

    And a quick reminder of other past failed European based political movements that wanted a single European entity:

    * Fascism

    * National Socialism

    * Communism

    * Socialism

    The European Union will be a bigger threat than all of the above put together – unless you vote them down again.

    FFS – vote NO!

    • 280
      Eamonn De Valera says:

      Unelected, undemocratic self serving anti nation one world money grubbing, how much information do you need my Ireland.

    • 298
      Susie says:

      Just say No!

      Treat ‘em mean to keep ‘em keen — as true today as it ever was.

    • 309


      The Irish have voted once already on the same motion, would they have been allowed another go if they had voted yes the first time??

      • 336

        NO MEANS NO

  60. 268
    Dunpoofreading(sic) says:

    No one spotted the typo?

    • 285
      jgm2 says:



    • 287
      Thats News says:

      Should they attack David Cameron, all the unions representing social workers and Probation officers and NACRO, etc., will all jump to the defence of Cameron as such an attack would be an attack on the idea that people can become reformed.

      What’s that? They wont? Hypocricy, thy name is Labour…

    • 410
      Citizen Grouser says:

      Yes we did but life’s too short already.

  61. 290
    Cicero says:

    If he wanted to go down with all guns blazing on the ‘private life’ front, Marr should have asked Broon the big one – whether Sarah was obtained for him with £140,000 upfront and £50,000 pa thereafter from the ‘Black Widow’ fund (allegedly set up with pension money robbed by Maxwell, in order that MPs who didn’t like girls could acquire suitable wives when the time came for high office).
    I’ll get me tin hat.

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    KPMG and PwC Reykjavik offices are raided by Icelandic police
    Police have raided the offices of KPMG and PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) in Reykjavik, seizing documents and computer data as part of an investigation into alleged criminal activity at three collapsed Icelandic banks.

    • 301
      Susie says:

      I’m feeling all Arthur Anderson… how many enobled Gordo-cronies are in for a pasting this time?

      • 408
        Citizen Grouser says:

        I think you’ll find Arthur Anderson changed their name to Accenture and carried on with NuLiebor much as before so they can’t be blamed for anything, can they, INNIT.

  63. 300



    HSBC wins case on Treasury’s £20bn illegal tax haul
    Britain’s beleaguered Treasury could be forced to repay as much as £20bn to companies after the European Court of Justice ruled that a tax it has collected since 1986 is illegal.

    In a landmark case, HSBC has won a ruling that the UK stamp duty reserve tax it was charged when it bought CCF, the French bank, contravened EU law. The bank is now in line for a £27m tax refund.

    Tax experts believe the ruling will set off a wave of similar claims from firms that have been involved in cross-border takeover activity in the past 23 years.

    Time to print another 25Billion cos Gordon’s not got the money.

    • 323
      Alistair D says:

      That’s me double-fucked!

      That’s cocked up me weekend!

      I was going for a quiet bit of fishing

    • 340
      tat says:

      ofcourse if we have a refuerendum and decide to leave the EU all such payments would be null and void.
      another 20 billion reasons to leave the EU, innit.

    • 359
      Anonymous says:

      So we are huge fans of the European Court of Justice now are we
      Or just huge fans of Bankers

      sluuuurp suck that corporate cock sluuuuuurp

      • 366
        Truth Sayer says:

        I’m a fan of making sure i have a decent pension without it being robbed by snot gobbler brown, so i use the stockmarket to insure this and some how i’m evil?


        The EU Court of Justice has done some good like stopping Phorm and dealing with alot of human rights cases and keeping this government’s lunacy in check but the courts actions don’t excuse the whole EU project.

        Bankers are wankers yes but capitalism works so it’s a ph7 result, personally rather have a Gordon Gekko looking after the economy than a Gordon Brown.

        • 367
          Master Baiter says:

          Why are most US banks now state controlled?
          Why is General Moters the largest US car company state controlled?
          Why are both dependant on state handouts?

          Perhaps capitalism isn’t working all that well.
          Perhaps the ‘free market’ ideology that presumes that markets will correct themselves is wrong.
          Perhaps the ‘free market’ ideology that presumes that the market is always right, is wrong.
          Alternatively simply admit reality and remove perhaps from the three above sentences.

          • Capitalism worked well,
            1/ these bankrupt businesses should have gone.
            2/ The regulator should never have increased credit so much.

          • Leo Sayer says:

            The Bankers got billions in bonuses so capitalism works

          • Enjineer says:

            The governement propping up failing business with taxpayers cash is hardly capitalism.

            I’m not qualified to say if things would have been worse in the short/medium/long term if the bad banks were allowed to go to the wall, but GM is an example of the worst kind of politics.

            GM was/is in the kaze because it was spending too much money producing poor product that it couldn’t sell, and had been doing so for a long time. If I was a US taxpayer the last thing I would want is the government bailing them out.

          • Engineer (the real one) says:

            Master Baiter, your economic theory has been tested, in a place called the USSR. Can’t quite remember the outcome, can you?

          • barefootcontessa says:

            Extreme capitalism is bad news.

          • Citizen Grouser says:

            Capitalism worked fine.

            It’s Soshalism that’s been deployed to prop up these companies and banks, that should have been allowed to fail.

            It won’t last of course and in the end we will have to grovel, literally, to the kindly Chinese to help us survive under their ‘tolerant ‘communist’ governance’.

        • 380
          Hard-Glazed Floater says:

          you did have Gordon Gecko looking after the Economy because Brown sure as fuck wasn’t niether was his halfwit tripartite system of regulation

          the unchecked greed of the financial sector crippled the uk economy and put it in recession and staggering debt while Gordon was busy dithering

  64. 347
    Anonymous says:

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  66. 360
    Stu says:

    Very dissapointed I couldn’t comment on the mirror website. Routledge, what a fucking idiot can’t even get the question that Marr asked correct. If you read this blog, which I doubt as you probably have the intelligence of the usual labour supporting moron, it was prescription painkillers you fuckwit.
    Hey but lets assume he does know that and he’s just a plain liar like all the rest of them.

  67. 362
    Disco Biscuit says:

    Routledge should be careful, or some scandalmonger might start spreading rumours about his drink problem.

    Why is it that Brownites find it so absolutely impossible to wean themselves off this sort of nasty attack? If Smeargate should have taught them anything, you’d think it was that they should give up that tactic.

  68. 363
    THisd is not an inspirational handle says:

    Can we start spreading the gossip about all those MPs getting divorced and caught cheating on their spouses because of the expenses details Mr Fawkes ?

    Lots of juicy stuff there if you don’t mind upsetting Gordie or Davy

  69. 392
    Lobbywatcher says:

    Wasn’t Andy Marr sharing Alice Miles with someone else whose initials also began with AM?

  70. 396
    Roger me silly, Mandy Man says:

    Marr has a child with another woman whilst being married, that wont even make the Headlines. It happens Andrew, meanwhile Labour are selling us out to Europe.
    That should be the bloody headlines in the Mirror, only they aren’t interested in the majority of this country!

  71. 404
    Bert says:

    everyone knows Brown is gay, and his marriage is a complete sham. thats why he takes prozac – his mind is so fooked cos he’s shaggin’ the wrong hole.

    • 406
      Citizen Grouser says:

      Sarah Brawn from the Bunker seems to think differently.

      What does she get out of this ? Maybe Global Fuhrer Brown really is a regular guy once he puts on his slippers.

    • 420
      Ernie says:

      everyone knows Cameron is gay, and his marriage is a complete sham. thats why he takes coke – his mind is so fooked cos he’s shaggin’ the wrong hole.

  72. 422
    Old Timer says:

    I see that witch Toynbee is at it again, penning vitriole, lies and distortions of the truth. Can we not cull such people ?


  73. 424
    dr spock says:

    this is a joke.routledge would have been the first to bang on trying to burry cameron over the spliff lies.

    (marr has let brown off the hook for years,his questioning very weak,so good on him for not being bullied for once(i presume that is why he is a lefty))

    horrible horrible two faced old hack,with morals when he wants them.

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