September 16th, 2009

The Truth Leaked : Treasury Cuts Plan

Here are the key numbers:

cuts-by-the-numbersThat negative increase is what we normally call a cut:

(1 – .008) x ( 1 -.04) x (1 -.018) x (1-.03) = .9071

In other words a cut of 9.3% on 2009…


117 Comments

  1. 1
    jgm2 says:

    So, basically, Gordon Brown lied?

    I’m shocked I tell you.

  2. 6
    going mental says:

    you mean that brown lied ?

  3. 8
    notareargunner says:

    Vote Labour, Huntservative or Lib Dem or SNP or… you will get cu*ts.

    • 68
      The Honourable George Osborne says:

      Good! Let’s have some “savage cuts”.

    • 101
      Don't Panic says:

      Who do you suggest we vote for then?

      Not those lefty loony Bee en Pee?

      Or the Melons? (That’s Green – green on the outside, red on the inside)

      LibDems? – nulabour lite

      Thing is – if you don’t vote Tory next time , you won’t ever get a chance to vote in this country again

  4. 9
    Golur says:

    Can this be put on in another format, please? For some resaon, our Departmental IT system won’t allow me to access this from Whitehall in its present format.

  5. 10
    THE ESSEX BOYS says:

    GREAT STUFF GUIDO – WE KNEW YOU’D RISE TO OUR CHALLENGE – and within 90 minutes too!!
    (Lying bastards…)

    228THE ESSEX BOYS says:
    September 16, 2009 at 9:21 am
    Hey – this new tale from George Osborne that he has leaked treasury documents showing that the Prime Mentalist has been contemplating 10% cuts all along has legs surely?

    Misleading Parliament? A resigning matter?
    Guess he’ll shove it all onto Darling and his team – or die trying…
    WATCH THIS SPACE…? GO GUIDO GO!

    • 20
      It's all Balls says:

      “I take full responsibility which is why Alastair Darling has been asked to resign.

      His replacement is my good friend and much admired colleague Ed Balls. It is important that the public have trust in what politicians tell them and I have to tell you that both Ed and I put the truth above everything else.”

  6. 14
    Is that a liar before me? says:

    Brown is a compulsive liar, but not as good at it as Blair. How that must give Broon anguish!!!

    • 32
      Sir Barrington Minge says:

      JG Broon is not as good as B-Liar at anything!!!

      What a sad indictment – 10 years as a useless Chancellor followed up by utter failure as PM.

      Some CV that will be.

      • 40
        resurgemus says:

        Yes

        forget where I read it, but neat comparison of post-elections possibilities with Lord M strutting the stage ( Europe, non-exec directorships ) as man with a future and Broon lucky to earn £ 2.50 as an after dinner speaker at the Worksop NUS annual piss up.

        I feel sure he can do better than this, there is always a big demand for villains at Panto time.

      • 99

        I am glad he is not as good as Blair at covering his arse, as otherwise we would have a few more years of complete idiots running our country. At least the Conservative idiots are very vaguely Conservative.

  7. 15
    lolol says:

    Iam really shocked that Brown could lie to us,are you sure Guido,I mean his father was a religious man ,how could this be,he said he has a moral compass,no I don’t believe you,sorry, must go the nurse is bringing my medicine.

  8. 16
    Mitch says:

    2010-2012 is going to be f*cking tight, whoever is PM and Chancellor.

    • 63
      Rip Van Winkle says:

      2010-2032 is going to be f*cking tight, whoever is PM and Chancellor.

      2012 – Don’t make me f*cking laugh!!

  9. 17
    righteous-rage says:

    Need bigger cuts than that to try and recover from browns fuckups

    • 27
      lolol says:

      No 1 bonfire of the Quangos.

    • 41
      Sir Barrington Minge says:

      Try this for size -

      1. Scrap ID cards – pointless waste
      2. Scrap all databases – they never bloody work anyway
      3. Scrap all useless Quangos – Money down the drain
      4. Scrap Wind farms – get real, go nuclear
      5. Dismantle the nanny state – we can think for ourselves!
      6. Cut back on Overseas aid – India etc
      7. Stop subsidising Scotland and Waes
      8. Reduce the number of MPs
      9. Get rid of all the cameras and the goons behind them

      How am I doing?

      • 55
        Engineer says:

        Pretty good so far.

        How about;

        10. Simplify tax and tax credit regime to reduce admin, e.g. stop the lunacy of docking income tax from someone, then giving them tax credits. Just give a higher tax-free allowance on income and scrap the tax credits altogether.

      • 56
        English Viking says:

        Sounds a bit vague, but I like the general tone. Maybe something more along the lines of :

        1. Imprison all expenses thieves, that about 600 of them.
        2. Prosecute Brown, Blair, Manglebum, et al for War Crimes.
        3. Confiscate all assets misappropriated by this filth, ie 2nd, 3rd and 10th houses.
        4. Abolish state-funded pensions for civil servants, MP’s, Councillors, etc.
        5. Unemployment benefit available only to those with enough NI contributions. Everyone else can jump.
        6. Scrap all immigration. Deport all illegals.
        7. Arrest the boards of all banks involved in Casino Economics, liquidate all their personal assets, liquidate all the banks assets (those High Street branches must be worth a bit) Prison for all involved.
        8. Shoot Jamie Oliver.
        9. And Gordon Ramsay.
        10. That Nigella’s alright though.

      • 62
        Steve Expat says:

        Not bad at all.

        11. Scrap the socialist 50% tax on high incomes – it will result in more work for tax accountants and increased emigration, actually dropping income tax revenue
        12. Tax relief on private health and education services, let’s encourage people to reduce their dependency on the State provision.
        13. No-one paid by the public purse to earn more than a Cabinet Minister (150k)
        14. Creation of a team of Public negotiators with signoff of every major project such as PFI deals, to ensure that the contracts are fair on both sides, rather than the current contracts which privatise profits and socialise losses. These can be exempt from limits on earnings and paid 1% of their saving of public money (could be millions)

        • 69
          jgm2 says:

          Establish a ‘Truth and Reconciliation’ committee so that Labour MPs, ministers, SPaDs, councillors, shills and apparatchiks can unburden themselves of the evil lies they have told and be rehabilitated to the dole queues which is all the fuckers are worth.

          We, as a country, need closure on this terrible episode in our history.

        • 71
          Throbber says:

          15. Take back all the money paid to consultants and vulture organisations like Capita over the last 12 years. Including confiscation of all assets of directors of said organisations.

      • 74
        On Harman Pride's Dossier says:

        16. Get rid of child benefits and administer it through tax allowances like the Swiss do – no more paying skanky mums to be baby producers.
        17. No NHS payment for fertility treatment while there is a single kid in the country waiting to be adopted.
        18. Scrap Trident and develop our own independent nuclear delivery system – gain independence from the increasingly Britophobic yanks, and create manufacturing and sci/tech jobs at the same time, plus keeping the money in Britain a la the Keynesian multiplier

      • 78
        Ctesibius says:

        FLAT TAX.

        First £12,000 you receive in a year exempt, then 24% on everything – income or capital – above that. Any most of us don’t have to wait for the harvest before paying tax, so let’s make that a calendar year, not a ‘tax year’. Abolish all National Insurance and make everyone under 65 pay 5% of their income into a Pension Fund.

        Simples.

      • 102
        or wot says:

        10. Get out of the EU

        Save billions.

        11. Stop invading other countries

        12. Stop electing socialist nancy-boy, islamo-loving governments

        • 114
          DelBoy says:

          And…
          Lock up and sequestrate the assets of merchant bankers
          Turn the Isle of Dogs into a leper colony
          Re-natiolanlise all energy companies

  10. 18
    Watt Tyler says:

    One thing is for certain: the Defence budget will be cut while Foreign Aid will increase. This will happen under both a blue and red version of the rotating dictatorship that is called “democracy”.

    “Hundreds of our troops dead. For what? To secure a few unstable votes in a corrupt decadent and country with an illegitimate political system headed by international financial institutions? If so, we better bring the troops back home to do the same in the U.K. -for that is a mirror image of the system now in place here…”

    The British Government’s War on the British Army: http://eotp.wordpress.com/category/the-governments-war-on-the-british-army/

    I feel sick every time I read this section and view its pictures.

  11. 23

    [...] but in the court of public opinion (my favourite court) there should be many convictions. Guido has the [...]

  12. 25
    Cecil says:

    The BBC are falling over themselves to play this down.

    • 43
      Reg511 says:

      The BBC showed all of Dave’s speech, Sky cut to an interview with IDS, what game is Rupert playing I wonder?

    • 46

      and play up opposition to Obamas hopeless ideas for socialist rationing of medical treatment as racist.

      • 59
        English Viking says:

        @46

        My thought exactly. Jimmy Carter is typical of the self-loathing, guilt ridden white socialist morons that are ruining the world. We now have got to the point that if you disagree with Obama, for whatever reason, you are a racist.

        • 72
          Throbber says:

          That was inevitable, once things went bad for him any opposition or criticism was always going to be tagged racist. Its the way the left works.

  13. 26
    Just passing by... says:

    Off Topic but….

    They are just trying to take the vote in Strassburg for Commission President, but the electronic voting system has broken down. German commentator asked if a show of hands wouldn’t do.

    No came the answer, the vote is a private matter for the MEPs.

    Grrrrrrr.

  14. 28
    Anonymous says:

    The gobbler will probably claim it was produced after he denied the cuts…

    What I don’t get is this portrayal that he is some sort of intellectual heavyweight?

    Who made that one up?

    Was it someone spinning it that he was a fat hoon?

  15. 30
    cityboozer says:

    Let’s get this straight. In five years’ time, all else being equal, the government will only be borrowing perhaps one in five pounds it spends instead of one in four?

    Whoop-de-farking-do.

  16. 33
    Just passing by... says:

    Hell, Barroso has got the job, I’m watching him being congratulated by that other old Marxist, Cohn-Bendit.

    Grrrr….Grrrrr

  17. 35

    Debt interest 2009-10 : £27.2bn
    Debt interest 2014-14 : £ 63.7bn

    Increase: £ 36.5bn
    2009 Defence Budget: £ 33.6bn

    Big number.

  18. 38
    Bruce Bellend says:

    Quality stuff indeed once again…allow me to share my own little piece which includes Labour’s Twitter tzar Kerry McCarthy showing she is right up to speed.

    http://thelonelinessofalongdistanceblogger.blogspot.com/2009/09/today-while-reading-through-updates-of.html

  19. 39
    Glorious Twat says:

    the boy Gordon did well.

  20. 49
    John Laity says:

    “I never lied” GB

    “I always tell the truth” GB

    Now we know that it must have been the BBC who badly cut the footage:

    …”except when I am lying, then I am not telling the truth” GB

    …damn those editors…Bring back Jonathon Ross…

  21. 53
    Chris says:

    I think you’re looking at the wrong column to get your 9%-odd cuts figure.

    You’re looking at Departmental Expenditure Limits, when you should be looking at Total Managed Expenditure. Otherwise you’re not including expenditure on annualised project terms (AME), you’re just factoring central government expenditure on three-year plans.

    Don’t get me wrong, he’s a lying shit, and he’s mental. I’m with you on that one. But your version of the cuts is wrong because you’re only looking at DEL.

  22. 54
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Labour’s compasionate cuts.

    Typo – I forgot to add the ‘n’.

  23. 57
    First Cut is the Deepest says:

    Radio 5 Live, 8.15am today

    Nicky Campbell interviewing Jim Knight.

    “…Godon Brown was Chancellor and is now Prime Minister, apparently…”

    • 66
      Steve Expat says:

      Made me choke on my coffee, rather amusing from a Beeboid.

      Pleased it wasn’t just me that imagined it while still half asleep!

  24. 61
    Trough Mixture says:

    I bet old multiple miggs could smell Brown’s cut from over a Km.

    What’s going on with Barroso’s head? It looks like it was grown in a bell jar.

  25. 70
    elizabeth says:

    Check out the ‘Capital Expenditure” line!

  26. 73
    Indigo says:

    It is dated 21 April 2009, isn’t it – see last line? And we are hearing about this only now?

  27. 75

    Protectively marked “confidential” and therefore an unauthorised disclosure under the Official Secrets Act, and a breach of the law.

    Can we expect a police investigation? With all the headlines that would entail?

  28. 82
    will bethell says:

    Sorry to be a pedant, but .9071 as a percentage is 9.1% to 2 significant figures. Get it right Guido!!

  29. 84
    Pinnochio Brown says:

    Any credibility Gordon had remaining has been shot to pieces.

    He should resign and call an election.

  30. 87
    Glennys Kinnocks Glory Hole says:

    With the gold price hovering around $1015 time to remind the general public of Gordon Pension-Robbers gold sales methinks!!!!!!!

  31. 90
    Max says:

    Suggestion to tory HQ; the election ads should say that sometimes less is more.

    As this article would confirm: Bloated Britain – Bride of Gorgon.

    Nothing for tea tonight methinks.

  32. 91
    andanotherthing says:

    What use is it though? We`ve all known for a long time that Brown is an even bigger liar than Bliar, but this wont change anything. Asked for comments on this he will use the defence they always use….”that i cant comment on leaked papers as that is the real crime here..”

  33. 92
    andanotherthing says:

    I know i keep saying this but surely someone can stand up in Parliament and say that “you cant trust anything Brown says because he is a liar!”.
    It would be a wonderful moment.

  34. 93
    Cross Chris says:

    With gold at 4 times what he sold it for, is it time for Gordon to buy it all back? That would be in line with the rest of his financial f%$k ups

  35. 95
    Liam says:

    Viral videos don’t really do him justice, do they? Constant repetition of his claim that “Labour investment vs Tory cuts” was the issue for the next election should be played at every available opportunity. Brown knew what small print was hiding away in the details, he always does (he did so with the 10p tax rate)

    Bring on the next election, and be gone with Brown!

  36. 96
    Another mad Fife git says:

    He is doing this for all our good – not just the good of Kirkcaldy.

    He knows we don’t understand the workings of Government.

    He knows we are stupid.

    He knows that lying is good for us.

  37. 98
    Raving Loon says:

    Was I the only one who giggled when all this talk of the “c-word” was thrown about?

  38. 100
    Laban Tall says:

    “That negative increase is what we normally call a cut”

    Yes, but those are real decreases i.e. taking inflation into account. Given that inflation will be roaring ahead by then, in nominal (i.e. cash) terms all the departments will be getting big increases.

    See – “no cuts” !

  39. 107
    Anonymous says:

    the labour website still has details on what a 10% cut would mean

    http://www.labour.org.uk/david_cameron_mr_10_per_cent

    i’m guessing they know because thats what they’re planning

    44,130 teachers, and 34,490 teaching assistants
    a loss of 15,000 police officers
    32,000 university places
    18,000 soldiers

  40. 108
    spellchecker says:

    What do you get when you spell TUC backwards?

    Better get used to it, comrades. The party’s over. (The Labour party, as well as yours)

  41. 110
    Call for a plumber says:

    This leaked document got me wondering…was this what AD used against Brown to keep his job as Chancellor during the summer cabinet reshuffe ? Could it even have been him who leaked it following a disagreement with Gordon ?



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