June 18th, 2014

WATCH: Dave Goes Down Fighting on Juncker

BB: “How is his campaign going to stop Mr Juncker?”

[LAUGHS]

DC: “It’s a simple issue of principle, much more connected to the principle than the name. The principle is this –  and I think it will be shared on every side of the House – that the members of the European Council, the elected Prime Ministers and the elected Presidents, under the treaties, we should choose who runs the European Commission. And I don’t mind how many people on the European Council disagree with me, I will fight this right to the very end. And what I would say to my colleagues on the European Council, many of whom have expressed interesting views about both this principle and this person, if you want reform in Europe you’ve got to stand up for it, if you want change in Europe you’ve got to vote for it. That is the message I will take, and that is the right message for our country.”

Warning other EU leaders to do in public what they are saying about Juncker in private…


184 Comments

  1. 1
    non taxable pikey says:

    Another cast iron guarantee in the offing?

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  2. 2
    Tony Blair says:

    Tora! Tora! Tora!

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  3. 3
    tigerowl says:

    We have just voted in the European elections for people to make such decisions. Do we not trust those we have just elected to do so?
    If those that we have elected pick this Junker then that is democracy working. What is it about democracy some of us Brits do not understand?

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    • 23
      Bullshit says:

      The disconnect between what or who a person votes for in an EU election and who they actually get to represent them is where the EU version of democracy is a joke.
      A deliberately designed joke at that.
      I bet barely 10% of the EU parliament actually want this bloke as president.

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      • 43
        Taxfodder says:

        Probably less than 10% in the UK want or need any MP in Parliament as they are a total waste of space, time and money.

        The country bumbles along its own sweet way despite them.

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        • 72
          Socialism is theft says:

          I disagree. All those countries that get a net benefit from EU contributions will want even more. That is why there isn’t an even bigger outcry in those countries against the utterly corrupt EU.

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    • 42
      voter says:

      “We have just voted in the European elections for people ”

      No, we voted for parties, and the parties chose the candidates in order on the list.

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    • 167
      Apthorpe says:

      You are arguing from a false premise.
      This is not democracy, for the EU legislative and executive bodies to function in a democratic way all of the EU states electorates would have to first be given the vote on the constitution and electoral process that these bodies would be elected by and the powers that they would have. This has not happened and there is no plan for it to. What you have now is, like the old USSR a plethora of voting but with real power held out of reach of the electorate.

      The British are not anti-Europe, we have traded with Europe in all its forms for thousands of years. What we are anti is grand unaccountable poltical schemes that are run behind close doors.

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      • 183
        Tom Catesby says:

        Can’t see the point of these arguments myself, they are all red herrings and politicos bluff, designed to confuse and fool the people, example? Even those total opportunist shits, the limpdicks, who believe in nothing except clinging to a grubby bit of influence on the tory government, are talking about sham support for a ‘referendum’. More proof required? Didn’t think so, vote UKIP.

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    • 177
      Necrophiliac Dating Agency-Just Where Do They Dig These People Up From? says:

      MEP’s don’t ‘elect’ the new European commissioners, Leaders of the EU’s National Governments do. Do try and keep-up.

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    • 60
      tigerowl says:

      But you did vote UKIP and this is the result. Party against the EU who do not turn up at debates leaves the rest of the EU to decide what happens.
      Great voting folks.

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      • 73
        Head says:

        “do not turn up at debates”

        Errant nonsense or tory propaganda.

        You can see Farage et al in action, on youtube.

        1/10
        see me after class

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      • 74
        Socialism is theft says:

        But they do turn up and vote. Far more than people like Gordon Brown do.

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      • 100
        Village Idiot says:

        ..They are not there to comply with the EU, rather to expose it and create mischief, and , ultimately , to destroy it, I hope!!!!

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        • 171
          Derp says:

          Why don’t people get this?!

          It’s like a spy getting flack for not pulling their weight for the enemy…

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      • 178
        Necrophiliac Dating Agency-Just Where Do They Dig These People Up From? says:

        And you’re basing this lie on what Statistics? Source the voting/Attendances of UKIP in relation to the other party’s in the Euro Parliament and then we’ll dance…BTW, the blog you’re after is down the hall, take the first left, then left again, then the first left. Some might call that ‘going-around in circles’, but hey, no-one’s perfect.

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  5. 5
    Green and Howards musketman says:

    Stick it up yer Junkers.

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  6. 6
    Cameron's P45 says:

    “That is the message I will take, and that is the right message for our country.”

    Is the mong incapable of understanding, we don’t want ‘messages’, we want results.

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  7. 7
    Round the Bend says:

    If Junckers is selected that will send the clearest message, that the EU is hell bent on full Federalisation.

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    • 11
      Twampersand mk II says:

      You suspect there is even the slightest possibility it is not?

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    • 21

      Political reality: The Citizens voted for Juncker albeit with a slim lead over Schulz – who has himself endorsed Juncker and the vote – and Europe is going to Federalize one way or another.

      It would be much wiser for the member States to concentrate on transitioning power to the People whilst power transitions to the EP and demos is established in the office of European President.

      The pan-Europa problem, which Juncker is part of, needs to be dealt with carefully. Better for a United States of Europe of Union rather than Unity – the latter is fundamentally unstable and will lead to war.

      Member States should push hard for a 10th Amendment style clause in the Constitution, which is yet to be written: Lisbon needs to be binned.

      UK will need to secede sooner rather than later. The UK is not ready or suitable for Federalization – as are several other notable member States (!taly…) and has been marginalized in such a way that it is now part of the problem within Europe.

      Discouraging Eastern and Central Europe from jumping back to Russ!a would be advantageous.

      Vote UKIP :-D

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    • 28
      J.M.Barroso says:

      We are merely progressing the socialist cause of europa, get over it english

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    • 121
      Junkers 88 says:

      He’s Merkel’s puppet. WWIII and European domination but without that inconvenient collateral damage that happened last time. Deutschesland uber alles.

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  8. 8
    The British media are cunts says:

    This is just fucing nonsense. The krauts run the EU, they decide who gets what jobs. No one tkakes a shit in the EU without Von Merkel’s say so.

    Time to pack our bags and leave. If the krauts and froggies spit their dummies out then tough shit, we just stop them flogging their shite cars here in the UK, the boss of BMW or VW won’t be very impressed with Merkel if that happens.

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  9. 12
    David Cameron PM says:

    I fought the EU and the EU won…

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    • 30
      Anonymous says:

      ‘fought’ is putting it rather strongly.
      Cammy is a waste of space.

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      • 145
        Cameron is a fat, useless cunt says:

        But “fought” sounds much more impressive than “stood up and talked bollocks that everyone ignored”.

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  10. 13
    Never give a sucker an even break says:

    It’s an interesting situation. Junker is the German’s (apparent) man. The French have expressed no opinion, in public. Bumsex nails his balls to ….who? The provocateurs suggest Strauss-Kahn’s bird. There is Master Kinnock’s bride leering from the wings.
    Yet, this is being advanced as the Euro-Parliament “picking” its candidate. This is the body that could go anti-EU at the next Election. No. It would never let democracy even have a look in.

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    • 161
      Disturbed Pensioner says:

      Quite, and these moral dwarves lord it over 500 000 000 people who have no personal contact or much information as to what they are like, or even how much they are stealing from them. Knowing Kinnock it is a staggering amount.

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  11. 14
    Koba says:

    The Lisbon treaty effectively abolished the nation states, didn’t anybody read it before our elected PM signed it?

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  12. 16
    Johnny says says:

    Cameron said: “… that the members of the European Council, the elected Prime Ministers and the elected Presidents, under the treaties, we should choose who runs the European Commission.”

    The Lisbon treaty allows the European Council to *nominate* a candidate. It is then up to the European Parliament to vote for or against that candidate.

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    • 154
      Ann, the poverty stricken accounts clerk says:

      I don’t recall Cameron being elected as PM of the UK either..

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      • 162
        Dodgy Geezer says:

        Ann darling, come into my bedroom and I’ll explain.

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      • 170
        Apthorpe says:

        Alas no one is voted into the postion of PM. The PM is the leader of the party that commands a majority in the House of Commons. And on he or she falls the power of patronage to form a government for as long as they command that majority in the HoC.

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  13. 17
    The United Kingdom says:

    “… if you want reform in Europe you’ve got to stand up for it, if you want change in Europe you’ve got to vote for it.”

    Look, you fat chinless tube, we want out of it.

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    • 22
      Johnnie Foreigner says:

      And why does Cameron assume that other EU leaders want reform anyway?

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      • 37
        Matteo Renzi says:

        I just want to cut a deal for you rich states…and UK taxpayers (I love you!) to go easy on us….then I’ll support any ass with a nomination badge on it…how about that delicious VP, Cat-a-rina Ash-ton? Mmmm jig-a-jig

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      • 79
        Socialism is theft says:

        More importantly why does Cameron assume that Europe and the EU are the same thing?

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  14. 19
    Jeffrey Bernard says:

    I am not sure why Ben Bradshaw was laughing: what is remotely funny about the prospect of Juncker getting the job?

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    • 31
      Ben D Bradshaw says:

      It’s because I is a Cvnt

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    • 34
      Fishy says:

      He’s sneering because he knows that Labour have handed over our country to the EU and despite the will of the people, we will have a 1000 year Socialist Reich.

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    • 54
      Round the Bend says:

      It’s because he knows what it is like to be shafted.

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      • 107
        The two Muppets says:

        Ben Bradshaw was useless as Health Minister and Culture Secretary
        in the Blair/Brown Governments, and was caught with his snout in the
        trough in 2009 . A typical Labour politician .

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    • 141
      Bottom says:

      He was laughing because Dave delivered legal bumsex of which Bendover Ben was a leading advocate.

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  15. 20
    Tony Blair says:

    Let’s have more wars! I love war! More money for me and Slotgob.

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    • 27
      BAE says:

      We agree

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      • 33
        David 'Dave' Camoron, the Heir to Blair says:

        So do I, Tone. I’m just softening the British people up today:

        http://news.sky.com/story/1284490/pm-warns-iraq-terrorists-will-hit-uk-at-home

        …’cos, y’know, people think I’m, y’know, a pretty straight kinda guy.

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        • 39
          Fishy says:

          You might laugh, you might sneer but in future years, be very careful when you use public transport, go to your local shopping centres, go to the pub or cinema.

          There is a gathering storm.

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          • Vote Tory for unlimited immigration says:

            Shop online.

            Just be wary of postmen with beards and ticking parcels.

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        • 40
          Enoch's ghost says:

          Arm both sides and sell the winners body bags.

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        • 47
          Winston says:

          The State has passed legislation which forces suspected football hooligans (some have no convictions) to hand over their passports on demand. 1,500 of such people were forced to hand their passports to the police for the duration of the World Cup in case they might throw a chair in a town square. Yet, the State cannot and will not do anything to prevent thousands of British Islamists from travelling abroad to kill, rape and torture and then return to our island.

          Keep voting LibLabCon for more madness.

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        • 49
          Winston says:

          The State has passed legislation which forces suspected football hooligans (some have no convictions) to hand over their passports on demand. 1,500 of such people were forced to hand their passports to the police for the duration of the World Cup in case they might throw a chair in a town square. Yet, the State cannot and will not do anything to prevent thousands of British Islamists from travelling abroad to commit mass murder and then return to our island.

          Keep voting LibLabCon for more madness.

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          • tigerowl says:

            ” … thousands of British Islamists from travelling abroad to commit mass murder and then return to our island.”
            About four hundred in total. Nothing to stop then being arrested on return.
            Labour put laws in place to hold people without charge to see if that person had or could be a danger to the UK.

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          • On the plus side says:

            If they go to Syria they might get blown to bits.

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    • 45
      Slotgob says:

      Oooh Tone, I lurve it when you talk dirty.

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  16. 25
    Wat wen wong woy says:

    Britain’s oh so gallant loser !

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  17. 29

    Who is that pikey woman in the purple top sitting behind Dave ? She looks like she needs a good seeing to, might cheer her up

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  18. 41
    Winston says:

    Cameron will fight to the end, will he? That will be May 2015, when he is no longer PM. Tories on 29% and UKIP on 15%. Even if there is an improvement, Cameron will not reach the dizzy heights of 35% achieved in 2010. Unless, he wants a LibLabCon coalition? Cameron is a goner and the EU leaders know it. Not sure, why Guido believes differently.

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  19. 48
    Willy Whitelaw says:

    Bomb the bastards!

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  20. 56

    The Prime Mentalist and the Treaty of Lisbon:

    Vote UKIP :-D

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  21. 58
    Bent Badshow says:

    Aren’t I clever ???

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  22. 65
    Owen Jones says:

    ISIS will attack in the UK in 45 minutes.

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  23. 75

    “the elected Prime Ministers”

    What role should unelected Prime Ministers play?

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  24. 84
    pookie snackumberger says:

    What happend to the Malta crissis and the Argintina/Malvenus turnout?

    Weren’t we suposed to get all hot and bothered about them and not pay attention to what was happening in our own country?

    Vote UKIP

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  25. 85
    Socialism is theft says:

    Looks like the EU and Dave will cut a deal. The EU will get Junckers and Dave will get his wish to invite Albania and Turkey into the EU. Get ready for another flood of poverty stricken immigrants.

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    • 148
      Dave - Blobby, Blobby, Blobby - Cameron says:

      My wisteria needs trimming.

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    • 163
      Dodgy Geezer says:

      Turkey will not get in because France will not allow it. The entry of Turkey would depress the prices of French agricultural products and ruin the French biased EU agricultural policy.

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  26. 86
    Anon says:

    Just stop paying them any money.

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  27. 92

    RSPB favours further releases of beavers :-) – HeraldScotland

    http://tinyurl.com/pn3swkf

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  28. 93
    # Nuke Brussels says:

    Press the button Dave. They won’t do it again .

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  29. 95
    Oh for gawds sake... says:

    Pure political theatre. It’s basically ‘bread and circuses’, but without the bread…

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  30. 97

    Recall some better moments in UK politics, to contrast Cameron…

    Vote UKIP :-D

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    • 102
      Let Down by Lefty insurgents says:

      He didn’t reckon on Tony Blair, Gordon Brown and David Cameron just giving Great Britain’s sovereignty away. How could he have realised that a British PM would do such a disgusting thing?

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      • 106

        Churchill could not have been reasonably expected to have anticipated the four horsemen of mediocrity (the monochrome, the megalomaniac, the mongoloid and the moronic) to have come to pass.

        But Churchill would say:

        Vote UKIP :-D

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      • 164
        Jack the Ripper says:

        Not to mention Ted Heath, Harold Wilson, Jim Callaghan, Margaret Thatcher and John Major.

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  31. 99
    Fishy says:

    Just stumbled on the Passport Office debate in Parliament. Teresa May, trying to update MPs is being hampered by Labour MP’s interrupting to showboat and ask May where Mrs Jones, Mr Smith, Mr Uddin from Acacia Avenue’s applications are up to.

    Apparently 24 staff have been set aside to receive calls from MPs about additional cases…and more will be set aside next week. Those 24 or more staff would be better placed to deal with applications, not showboating MPs.

    Mrs Balls is sitting there with a face like a slapped arse, continually interrupting.

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    • 105
      jgm2 says:

      Ah, Mrs Balls. The next leader of HM loyal opposition. Around July 2015.

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      • 117
        Fishy says:

        Yes. She’s struggling to understand May’s figures at the moment – her back of the fag packet attempt to embarrass May is all over the place.

        It would appear that lack of numeracy runs in the family in the Balls household

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    • 115
      The Hinduja affair says:

      Put Keith Vaz in charge of the passport office as he has a good record of ensuring people receive their passports in jig time.

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    • 116
      Mornington Crescent says:

      …23 or those 24 staff specifically for Keith Vaz who, apparently, has considerable experience in asking for passports.

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      • 156
        Ann, the poverty stricken accounts clerk says:

        Whenever an MP calls the duty bod on the desk should switch on the answerphone message saying: The applicant’s passport is in the queue and will be dealt with when it reaches the top of the pile. Have a nice day”. Click

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  32. 101
    ? says:

    Having such a massive out of touch federalist knob like Junkers being made head of the EU makes Cameron’s job of being a Europhile PM that much harder.
    It is not on behalf of the UK Dave is objecting to Junkers that is for sure.

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  33. 109

    DPRK in detention.

    I’ran / M’yanmar – most improved.

    I’ndia / I’srael playing truant.

    Fair assessment:

    R’ussia circumventing the INF treaty by testing it’s long range ICBM’s over a shorter distance not mentioned, but certainly should be.

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  34. 113
    Good guys in Syria become bad guys in Iraq ?????? says:

    Why the Fuck would ISIS whos stated aim is to create a Sunni Calaphate in Syria and Iraq lose focus by engaging in a terron campaign against the UK. They are going o need all their resources on taking Bagdad and all an attack on the UK would achieve would be to give us a pretext for sending in our troops…..oh hold on !

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    • 120
      It's all going to go Balkans says:

      If you’re not with them you’re against them whoever or wherever you are.
      That is the mad Muslim way of things.

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      • 129
        Operation Sealying says:

        Does their ‘annual report’ ‘Spring/summer collection’ or whatever the fuck it is very helpfully outline their plans for the 2014-2015 season ? Maybe we should look up the chapter headed UK terror campaign 2014-2015 !!!!

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    • 138
      Albert's chainsaw sharpeners says:

      So Camoron has just found out what the people of the country have been complaining or worried about, I hope he finds a deep hole for all the politicians to hide in, the I RA were playing compared to these people, the politicians have left us unarmed, no military and what’s left of a police force, don’t expect to EU to send military over here as according to Clegg they don’t have any, besides they will be recognised as an invasion force and piss the country off ,

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  35. 122
    Malcolm Rifkind says:

    Why did Ben Bradshaw find his question so hysterically funny?

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  36. 123
    Mycroft says:

    Headline suggestion!

    Stupid Fokker downed by a Juncker!

    I thang-you, get my video now available in the foyer, only £99.99!

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  37. 126
    Mycroft says:

    By-line:-

    Mid-air collision, no survivors, following state instructions to not revive the stupid fokker.

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  38. 128
    Everyone in Chingford says:

    He blusters almost as much as IDS and Boris did when they pretended they’d fiight to save the Walthamstow dog track.

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    • 157
      Ann, the poverty stricken accounts clerk says:

      FFS, will you please change the f***g record. There is not one person on here (apart from you) who gives a flying f…ox about some stupid dog track.

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  39. 134
    Eurograph says:

    John Major wrote in his memoirs that, besides Germany and France, none of the other countries ever stood up for themselves in rows about principles in Brussels (of course when it was money at stake they screamed and howled). They would complain bitterly about issues but then obediently do what the French and Germans wanted. Major believed they were all bribed by fat concessions to go along with the Franco-German alliance that really ran the EU. I doubt much has changed.

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    • 139
      The British media are cunts says:

      Spot on, the Europeans have always acted cowardly when in the face of jerry.

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  40. 137
    The British media are cunts says:

    Handycock says sorry.

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  41. 142
    Angela and Junker says:

    Face facts Dave,

    WE KICKED YOU SORRY FUCKING ARSE ALL OVER EUROPE YOU FUCKING BRITISH PIG!

    FUCK YOU!

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  42. 143
    pigs in space says:

    Good to see Cam wearing a blue tie and Cloggy a yellow one. Looks like they are starting the differentiation for next years GE. Politions of all parties have been wearing purple ties mostly for the last few years.

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  43. 149
    geordieboy says:

    Cameron can huff and puff until the house blows down and Junkers will still get the job but will Cameron keep his promise to make an early exit from the EU? I don’t fucking think so.

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  44. 151
    EuRopedMeInForIt says:

    Bradshaw is just the kind of smug git who would be comfortable with a committed federalist like Juncker in place, so as not to rock any boats.

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  45. 160
    SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Cameron is a spineless collaborator , he should have pointed out that Juncker was only ever Prime minister of a country with a population hardly larger than some of the bigger London boroughs with no armed forces, where the only industries are dodgy banking ,Selling chocolate, and a little tourism.
    But as ever he quakes before Merkel ,Hollande , and Barrosso, no doubt with his eye firmly fixed on some nice little tax free sinecure after he surrenders the next election to the even more compliant EU poodle Milliband .

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  46. 173
    Bill de Burgh says:

    Hancock. Syria. Iraq. Blair. Oakeshott. Hancock. The bird in the purple top behind Dave who looks like she’d benefit from a good seeing-to. Junckers. Hancock. MP’s expenses. Inexorable Chinese influence expansion. Clegg. Cable. Hancock. Yes, yes, I get it.
    But why wasn’t more done to save Walthamstow dog track?

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  47. 174
    Anon says:

    In dealing with Juncker, can we just not have him terminated with etreme prejudice

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  48. 175
    Big D says:

    Look folks I tried I really tried but it didnt work out .
    Yes I know Germanys in charge but just consider this at least they arent bombing us this time that surely stands for something doesnt it ?
    Anyway time to take the missus on a date , sees yur all later.
    LOL Dave

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  49. 179
    I'm Nice, just like a Vanilla and Chocolate enema says:

    You don’t hear much from the ‘UKIP are racist’ kuts now do you? If it were a REAL accusation then there’d be some Jail-time involved. There isn’t. So one must draw some fucking simpleton conclusions from entire affair. UKIP ARE NOT A RACIST PARTY, and those ‘budding’ Socialists, apart from voting for a War Criminal in Tony Blair, are FUCKING LIARS. Does that get you? I sure hope it does.

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  50. 180
    John Tandy says:

    This will not help the UK at all. Germany wins yet again……..

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    • 181
      SIZE 15 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

      The EU can only continue so long as the taxpayers of Germany are blind to the obvious fact that it is their money keeping the whole stinking edifice afloat .

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