May 14th, 2014

Guardian‘s Man in Moscow Slams Loony Guardian Columnist

Eternally unhinged, freedom-hating, commie-loving, loony lefty John Pilger is off on one again in the Guardian today, rehashing everything he has ever written and blaming America and Britain for the situation in Ukraine:

“The US has tried to overthrow more than 50 governments, many of them democratically elected; grossly interfered in elections in 30 countries; bombed the civilian populations of 30 countries; used chemical and biological weapons; and attempted to assassinate foreign leaders. In many cases Britain has been a collaborator… For the first time since the Reagan years, the US is threatening to take the world to war. With eastern Europe and the Balkans now military outposts of Nato, the last “buffer state” bordering Russia – Ukraine – is being torn apart by fascist forces unleashed by the US and the EU. We in the west are now backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler.”

Alrighty then. Unsurprisingly Pilger’s latest conspiracy theory is being widely mocked by all quarters, including the Guardian’s own Moscow correspondent:

The penny finally drops that he’s a nutter…


146 Comments

  1. 1
    Moley says:

    Looks pretty accurate to me.

    Putting Nazis in Government does not look like the actions of a sane person

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      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      I have to agree.

      I never thought i’d agree with a Guardian columnist.

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        rick says:

        Yes, his analysis is substantially correct.

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          Axelrod watch says:

          Putin would call most UKIP supporters facists if it suited.
          Middle headed thinking on this forum sometimes. Just because it’s possibly in the best interests of the UK to move out of the EU, doesn’t mean it’s the same for Ukraine.

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          • Moley says:

            But half of Ukraine doesn’t want to be in the EU and would actually be better suited (because of trade and language) to have ties with Russia.

            Not that the EU has a great record when it comes to listening to anybody’s wishes.

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        HailUSay says:

        Yup, Pilger is absolutely right. I agree too.
        The USraelis want to weaken both Russia and the EU by pitting them against each other because the Dollar is losing its clout. Their military/industrial complex needs lucre as they are not attacking Muslims at the moment.
        Trouble is that the bunch of coniving scum pretty much own “our” ” democratically elected” Troughers and most of “our” “media” too, including Geedough.

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        • 84
          Anonymous says:

          Doctor

          He is off his meds again.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Dried Frog pills all round.

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          • Aardvark says:

            Another sad wanker with a conspiracy theory. What on earth is a USraelis.

            No wait, I really don’t want to know.

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          • HailUSay says:

            Aardvark, you silly old hag, get back to whining “anti-semite” in the Guardian comments sections.

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          • Aardvark says:

            I don’t read the Guardian. I don’t visit its site. I.m not old.

            An antsemite who thinks jooooz control the world really is a sad wanker with a conspiracy theory.

            Its good to point out evil.

            I feel sorry for these loosers but its their failed lives that are the problem.

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          • HailBibi says:

            Bet you can’t wait to go “back home” to take some more potshots at Palestinian schoolkids, you slimy hypocrite.

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          • Aardvark says:

            I’m not Israeli, I’m not of that faith, I’m English and I don’t know why I’d want to take a photo of a child from the Middle East.

            Who’s a hypocrite?

            Racists are, by nature, sad miserable failures who seek race hate to make up for their failure in life. I’ve never met a happy racist.

            Its very odd a racist who writes racists posts, gets upset when called a racist.

            Shouldn’t you be out and proud?

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        • 127
          Jacky Treehorn says:

          Silly fkn cnut

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        Moley says:

        The militant and violent left’s mobilisation against UKIP attests to the EU’s communist nature.

        Barroso is a (former?) communist and the EU is a carbon copy of the former USSR Government apparatus, complete with pretend democracy and elite status for the governing class.

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          táxpáyér says:

          Not just a communist Barroso’s a Maoist.
          The EUSSRs making multiple “great leaps forward”.

          The Last Communist City

          http://www.city-journal.org/2014/24_2_havana.html

          Brussels 2030?

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          • Aardvark says:

            As Orwell said ‘There are some things so stupid, only an intellectual would believe them’. That’s the Guardian and its supporters.

            He’s written the same article for 40 years, all the problems of the world are the fault of Israel, America, The West.

            A Marxist thug with an Ozy accent.

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          • UKIP if you want to... says:

            @ Aardvark
            He has been writing the same article for 40 years because nothing has changed in those 40 years for him to write anything different

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          • Aardvark says:

            No nothing’s changed.

            We’re in the same position we were in during the Cold war, when Berlin was split in two, The Soviet Union existed, Iran was run by the Shah, The EU was an free trade zone and bell bottom trousers were in fashion.

            Nothing has changed at all.

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          • Aardvark says:

            Thanks for the link Moley

            People like Pilger enjoy the fruits of Capitalism while promoting Totalitarian Thuggery.

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          Bricks and Stones may break my window-that'll be £250 please says:

          They used to live on UKIP’s FB page. Spreading merde and just being a pain in the butt. It didn’t work though, in 1 1/2 years it’s gone from 8K likes to over 117K – and over half of that was in the last 6 months.

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      The Lone Ranger says:

      It’s not the US but the EU that is doing the dragging.

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      Has Geedo be got at by the establishment? says:

      For once Pilger is correct.

      Why are you frit to admit it Geedo?

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      • 37
        well i never says:

        Never thought I’d agree with Pilger.
        But I do.

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        • 51
          Anonymous says:

          Likewise, Pilger may be exaggerating somewhat but the essence of what he says is true.

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          • Putin on the ritz says:

            No, he is talking bollox.

            Ever since Ukraine gained independence, Putin has been subverting the country to try to take it back either surreptitously or overtly.

            Putin poisoned Viktor Yushchenko because he was too successful, he was then able to install his puppet regime which the Ukrainian people then rebelled against.

            To talk of neo-nazis is leftist hyperbole.

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        The Master says:

        Not frit to, paid to.

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        Anonymous says:

        It much more complex, but Pilger has some points that are valid if a little obvious. The US is the supreme super power of the age, even now it’s economy, creative ability, manufacuring and military capability put at the top of the table. Yes it is being challenged but it’s still there. As such there has never been a time in history when a strong power ensured by whatever means it thought viable to ensure its interests came first that is simple power politics. The EU would like to be a global power, the end of the USSR gave it the chance to grab space and resource in East Europe and it did it. Trouble is that Russia never accepted the loss of the former states, events forced them to. This was always going to be a flash point once Russia felt strong enough to take them back and given the seeding of large numbers of ethnic Russians in many former Soviet states they have the perfect route to do this. The best option if you want to avoid years of pain is federate the Ukraine and let the eastern provinces join Russia if they want, if West Ukraine want to join the EU then fine. The genie can’t be put back in the bottle now arguments about legailty are pointless and dangerous in fanning up long term violence. Putin has so far picked his fights well the only way you’re going to get him out of the Ukraine now is by sending at least 10 divisions in and driving him out.

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    • 70
      Steve says:

      Gotta love the Guardian:

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  2. 4
    Ockham's Razor says:

    Guardian and Russia.

    What a cocktail….

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    • 62
      Axelrod watch says:

      Guardian, Asange, Snowden … all useful idiots working for Papa Putin.
      You would think westerners would be wise to Russian propaganda after the cold war. Few decades on and people fall for the same nonsense all over again.

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      • 109
        Keitho says:

        Putin will self destruct along with Russia. They always do. Hell they adopted communism for Pete’s sake, how much more stupid can you be?

        China =ditto=

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        HailUSay says:

        Better than working for Bibi.

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    bergen says:

    He’s always been odd. Years ago the late Auberon Waugh used to take the micky out of him in Private Eye unmercifully and he sued. He came out of the case looking a total pillock.

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    London Dave says:

    Beejesus is that old Stalinist Pilger still alive.

    He never met a country he thought couldn’t be dragged down by a full on dose of Marxist-Leninism.

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  5. 7
    Samwell says:

    The Russians don’t want a country on their doorstep, particularly since in the last hundred years they have been invaded through that country on two occasions, the last of which killed over 20 million Russians.

    Does anyone think the Americans would be happy if the Russians set up military bases in Mexico? Would we be happy if Ireland allowed Russia to park a few armoured divisions down the road from Belfast or set up a naval base in Dublin? Russia has a point. Russia, in fact, has a legitimate interest in ensuring that hostile foreign powers do not set up bases on her border.

    That last time Russia tried to create a base in the Americas, the USA almost started a nuclear war. Compared to that, Putin is being pretty reasonable.

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      Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

      +Infinity to the power infinity.

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      Maqb­oul says:

      Thanks for the history lesson professor but Stalin killed far more millions (that 20 million) of Russians than Hitler ever did.

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        Moley says:

        So Hitler was a good guy because he killed a few million less people than Stalin?

        I don’t quite see that.

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          Dr Strangelove says:

          Saying Stalin was worse is not saying ‘itler was good, you utter fuckwit.

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          • Moley says:

            You (and Maqboul) might live in a world where someone who kills nineteen million people is better than someone who kills twenty million; but I don’t.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Whoever killed more is better at it, obvs.

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          • Col. Stok says:

            The real point is power politics and defence of the states borders. Russia has fought invasion from the West in both the 19th and 20th centuries. Stalin was an evil megelomanic who held power through one of the most terrible regimes in human history. He was attacked by a simililar meglomaniac. It was the Russian people who defeated the Nazi invasion and they paid a terrible price (closer to 30 million dead in fact). No leader of Russia can afford to forget history and Putin has played the game very well so far. The West look and are divided and weak they also could get themselves involved in a very nasty civil war that will last years. Russia is letting the West know that the time of its weakness is over and that there are limits to EU expansion. Push the Russians too far and you’ll have the Baltic states destablised as well and then your pansy Foreign Sec. will really piss himself.

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      The only Country in Europe not to have its own paliament is England says:

      They could always put missiles in Cuba

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        Axelrod watch says:

        China and Russia already have bases in Cuba used for spying on the Americans. So their faux encroachment argument adds up to NUTS.

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      The only Country in Europe not to have its own paliament is England says:

      Is that when they had to take JFK’s finger of the button.

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      Axelrod watch says:

      No one wants to invade Russia? The international community simply want them to abide by the treaties they signed and stay within their own borders. The constant land grab is a no no.

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      • 85
        Overton says:

        “The international community simply want them to abide by the treaties they signed and stay within their own borders. The constant land grab is a no no.”

        Sure you’re not talking about the USA here eh?

        It’s they who have been stomping around the world invading, destabilising the last few years…Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Georgia, Libya, Egypt, Syria and now Ukraine. Is Nuland’s $5 billion well spent?

        As a libertarian leaning rightist I never thought I’d agree with Pilger but he’s right.

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          Axelrod watch says:

          But the USA attempt to put things right then leave. The Russians are playing for keeps. (I admit their inept methods and ignorance often leads to failure)

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          • Anonymous says:

            Do you mean the way they “to put things right” in Iraq?

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          • Anonymous says:

            Sorry, should read: Do you mean the way they “put things right” in Iraq?

            (Why are Mistakes easy to spot – the second after sending?)

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        Col. Stok says:

        They are seen as treaties signed under duress when the new Russian state was weak and the West all powerful. That none of your elite saw this coming tells you haw sh_te they are. Putin has always said that he wanted the borders of the Soviet Union restored the former Soviet states where not to be recuited into NATO. The Baltic States got away with it due the the nauture of the incorporation into the Soviet Union (invasion) but states like Ukraine were not to be incorporated into the NATO.

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    • 86
      Anonymous says:

      And the sky is what colour on your planet oh wise one?

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    • 88
      Rob says:

      Hmm, didn’t they invade a country ‘on their doorstep’ in 1939 and engaged in a genocide of that country’s population? Why yes, they did!

      Germany’s invasion of Russia wiped the slate clean as far as Soviet apologists are concerned, but the poor sods who live next door to Russia haven’t forgotten.

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      Anonymous says:

      Don’t think Hitler went that way into Stalinland.

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    Clyde W says:

    Pilger seems about right. The rest of the Guardian has been nobbled since the Snowden affair.

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    Sarah Millington says:

    EU & NATO has spread 1500 miles east in the last decade.

    It is the West that is provoking the fight with Russia.

    Pilger makes points one cannot factually disagree with there.

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      Maqb­oul says:

      Seems FSB stooges are out in force today.

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        Tim Yeo-Yo says:

        I’d trust Putin over the EU.

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          give £3/month for ummm...Cheers easy... says:

          Like this (but not registering on any thing else to ckick a star)

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          Dr Strangelove says:

          You know where you are with Putin, it’s true.

          If you don’t do what he wants, he’ll murder you.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Are you not confusing Putin with the fire-bombing, police-beating, Right Sector thugs the EU/US call “freedom-fighters”?

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          Col. Stok says:

          I wouldn’t trust either but Putin won’t worry about spilling a lot of blood to go down in Russian history and the man who made Russian strong again.

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      Axelrod watch says:

      EU spreading? Is it not the case that nations that suffered decades of repression, murder and misery at the hands of the USSR decided never to return to Russian control?

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    still walking into darkness says:

    Except of course, Pilger’s 100% correct here. Ukraine, rather like Libya, Eqypt, Tunisia has been stoked up the CIA et friends. Only this time it’s on Russia’s border so what do you expect them to do.
    Total amateurs like Hague, Ashton simply show themselves up in this environment.

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      Maqb­oul says:

      All of those revolts came from ordinary people sick of living in poverty while their tyrant leaders enriched themselves and their families. The same scenario exists in Russia and Putin is shitscared his own people will rise up, that is why Putin has his agents provocateurs stirring up trouble beyond Russian borders as he did in Chechnya and Georgia to name but two.

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        still walking into darkness says:

        No, it isn’t how this stuff works my good man. If what you say is true, why was there no arab spring in Morocco, Algeria, Jordan, Nigeria or Saudi Arabia where the same conditions exist per your comment?, the answer is quite simple, they are basically pro US government, that is the elites in these countries I mean.

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      • 89
        Moley says:

        And what about those ordinary people murdered by Nazis in Odessa?

        What about those ordinary people in the East of Ukraine who rightly fear living (literally) under the Nazi jackboot once again?

        The USA only believes in democracy when it suits their objectives.

        The USA will (again) find that the forces it has encouraged to do its dirty work in the Ukraine will become a dangerous enemy.

        It seems so obvious, because it’s happened before with the Taliban who were nurtured by the USA to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

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          USA! USA! USA! says:

          The fact that the US are willig to support cannibal jihadis in Syria and overt fascists in the Ukraine suggests desperation. The erosion of the petrodollar continues …

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        Anonymous says:

        Clearly, if someone in the US was to get all they (dis)information from YouTube videos or Fox News, they might well believe all the BS about People Power in Syria and elsewhere. But, since many people in the UK follow a range of media outlets, we are more have a better understanding of the ‘Color Revolts’ and New World Dis-order. And so we are more ready to ask: Who are the true provocateurs on Russia’s doorstep – and within its’ borders?

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    Catholics do your duty says:

    John Pilger = Duncan-Smith, and one is a minister

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    Blue Peter Goldfish says:

    “We in the west are now backing neo-Nazis in a country where Ukrainian Nazis backed Hitler” Must admit to be rather confused by this statement from John Pillock.

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      Man in a Suitcase says:

      Perhaps you will be less confused if you educate yourself about Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazis during WW2. Try Wikipedia to start with.

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        bergen says:

        Yes but Wikipedia will also reveal the great famine of the 1930’s that killed millions of Ukrainians imposed by Moscow. They were caught in the middle of a quarrel between two of the greatest mass murderers of all time .At first they thought (wrongly) that the Germans couldn’t be worse than the communists. Once they made their choice they knew that there was no going back. It’s too easy simply to condemn them.

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        NE Frontiersman says:

        We’ve never had to face their choices, thank God. If the Nazis had had a shred of common sense (let’s not talk of humanity) they could have beaten Stalin with the aid of his victims.

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          Anonymous says:

          While it is unlikely that the Nazis could have defeated the USSR and its’ people, without Hitler the war could have dragged on. Then again, without Hitler – would Germany have attacked Russia?

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    jgm2 says:

    Wow.

    It’s a conundrum.

    He’s essentially right. But he’s a Grauniad contributor.

    I feel dirty. I think I’ll take a shower.

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    Look on the bright side says:

    It’s much better to read Pilger, Toynbee and Milne as satire.

    Nobody belies what they write.

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  13. 22
    True Democracy says:

    If more proof was needed that Is*ael is the greatest democracy in the middle east – ok, it’s the only democracy in the middle east – then the conviction of former PM Olmert for fraud is all the evidence required. What other country would convict and sentence a former leader to prison? The fact that the judicial system and the political system there is not afraid to prosecute a former PM is not only a testament to the strength of their democracy but puts just about every other country to shame. If only we had a system that was as courageous. We could then have Tony Blair charged, prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned for waging an illegal war, not to mention all the other illegal activities of his government, and we could have Andy Burnham, Alan Johnson and Patricia Hewitt on trial for the deaths of thousands at Mid Staffs and other hospitals. But no, we have a wretched and corrupt system that doesn’t hold our criminal politicians to account.

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      táxpáyér says:

      “waging an illegal war”
      Parliament voted and approved the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, they are not illegal.

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        True Democracy says:

        They were illegal because the entire war was predicated on a massive lie manufactured by Blair and Campbell.

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          táxpáyér says:

          Parliament voted and approved the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, they are not illegal.

          That you think they were based on a lie does not make them illegal.

          Parliament decides on the legality of things.

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          • True Democracy says:

            Either way, Blair belongs in prison.

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          • jgm2 says:

            Quite right. But it surely makes the actions of Blair and Campbell illegal. Making up or ‘re-writing’ reports to justify a war.

            And, since Robin Cook walked out of the cabinet, it is reasonable to deduce that they knew the evidence didn’t stack up too. Which puts the entire Labour cabinet in the frame. IDS claims Blair outright lied to him to get the Tories onside.

            Parliament is off the hook. But the entire Labour cabinet at the time is still on the hook.

            When is Chilcott being published by the way?

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          • Dr Strangelove says:

            That you think they are legal wars does not make them so.

            You are confusing British law with international law, too.

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          • táxpáyér says:

            International law is the biggest oxymoron there is.

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          C O (Ξ7s1) says:

          Afghanistan was an Article 5 response of NATO to the terrorist attacks of 9-11.

          !raq involved dodgy dossiers and mis-information to get the UN approval.

          Neither were illegal, but the means of getting international consent for !raq certainly does look like a fraud was committed which would nullify the subsequent UN vote rendering the military actions on the ground in that country illegal.

          Note: The entire coalition of the willing who placed troops on the ground would be guilty of war crimes – not exclusively the UK / US.

          Those who took part in the initial invasion include A’ustralia and P’oland in addition to UK / US.

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      still walking into darkness says:

      wtf are you talking about, want to talk me through how many UN notices they just ignore, want to talk to me about Palestinian land grabbing, want to talk to me about the apartheid state they’ve created.
      You’re right about Blair and crew though I’ll give you that

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      • 45
        True Democracy says:

        Our host here loves Is*ael though. He doesn’t tolerate any critical comments about it.

        I’ll qualify my original post: It’s a great democracy for its own people, but I agree its treatment of Palestinians is objectionable and wrong.

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    • 42
      jgm2 says:

      What other country would convict a former leader to prison?

      You’re having a fucking laugh aren’t you?

      Half of Africa has former leaders in prison.

      Plus P*k*is*t*an, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand etc etc.

      What you’re saying is that Is*ra*el is no better than Africa or the Far East for corruption.

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        SE Asian traveller says:

        To whom do you refer in respect of Malaysia? To my knowledge from a recent visit there are no opposition leaders in jail.

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    Angry young man says:

    Oh dear, Guido, this really won’t do. Pilger makes valid points that have been echoed by many right-wing columnists (see Peter Hitchens). Time to let go of party political bias and start using your brain for once.

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      táxpáyér says:

      Yep. But Pilger is just Blame America.

      The truth is that the US/EU and the former USSR were both meddling in the Ukraine.
      Putin being the cannier operator and with more to lose & gain than the dribbling idiots Hillary C & Ashton made sure he won.

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    Anonymous says:

    Pilger appears to have totally lost the plot.

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      Roger Worthington says:

      He never had it in the first place. His ‘reasoning’ has always been that of an impressionable, immature sociology student of the 1960s.

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    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The USA has become what it once fought against 70 years ago. It has become the new world Nazi Germany, a fascist warmongering police state.

    Remember the warning by President Eisenhower of the rise of the military industrial complex.

    The american people need to rise-up and take back their country from the mass-murdering neo-con warmongers before it’s too late.

    Ron P’aul and his supporters are america’s only hope.

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      Metallic Milliner says:

      Would sir like thicker tinfoil this time?

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        USA! USA! USA! says:

        Telly Tax is correct. According to Mussolini’s dfinition of fascism (the merger of state and corporate power), the USA is now, very sadly, a fascist state. Admittedly they wear Prada rather than jackboots and totenkopfen, but you need to look a little below the surface.

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    An ex Tory says:

    Pilger is 100% correct.

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  18. 40
    Anonymous says:

    Gaydo Forks following the orders of his paymaster Murd0ch. So just who got rid of the democratically elected leader of Ukraine rhen Gaydo? The tooth fairy?

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    C O (Ξ7s1) says:

    P’ilger would be better to reference the B’altics rather than the B’alkans as NATO outposts.

    The probability of war in the B’alkans is high as S’erbia is leaning very much towards R’ussia. Serb nationalism is being stirred up in BiH as well at present, mainly by R’ussian agitprop through D’odik.

    OR has recently been through BiH. He has seen what remains of the last conflict which took place in that part of the world.

    That previous conflict – on the ground – is still not yet resolved.

    Absent some miracle, it will only be resolved when S’erbia finally capture the majority of BiH and K’osovo. That is beyond simple nationalism as absent the territory they believe should be theirs in current BiH, S’erbia is economically compromised. K’osovo is an international affront to them which the EU has singularly failed to manage.

    The US is not dragging the world into anything. The final failure of the Dayton consensus, and R’ussia’s reaction to continued EU expansion into what it considers its back yard, will. The EU is responsible for serious foreign policy failure in BiH / Serb!a.

    The uTube vid of Ashton ‘not knowing’ who the Serb high official is the single most important part of the case against the EU – and also damaging for its FP mission in the B’alkans. That demonstrates the fundamental incompetence that has been at work.

    This is what is increasingly antagonizing R’ussia at present:

    Fine for the EU, but only if it is prepared to maintain the policy position by matching force at some time in the future. The long to medium term benefits of pursuing this policy for European’s is not looking positive. Absent political union within the EU, attempting to implement such policy medium to long term fails from the outset. The consequence will be bloody.

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      fight the fascists says:

      Hands up all those who voted for van Rompuy..

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        Toney Baloney, Gordon Blimey and Gorging Ginger Kinnock says:

        Who needs to vote!? If you ask people what they think they’ll only come back with the wrong answer..

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    FFS Guido says:

    A communist US president and communist EU foreign minister support a violent political coup in the Ukraine and you say Pilger has lost the plot?

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    Phwooooar! says:

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    Fishy says:

    In these comments we see in, high definition, how the extremes of left and right in politics are one and the same, explaining why Hitler was a socialists and why all of the hard line UKIPpers on here are big fans of the psycho, Putin and (now) the terminally deranged idiot Pilger.

    It probably explains why Nigel has really gone after the Tories and not Labour who sold us down the river at Lisbon, and why UKIP have installed minority Labour to run Norfolk.

    Unfuckingbelievable

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    • 65
      Kengerw says:

      LOL Dream on. If you can’t or won’t see that the EU has been stirring up trouble in the Ukraine then that is your biased outlook.

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    • 67
      Fruitcake and swivel eyed loony loving the panic and utter desperation says:

      The EU kept prodding Putin over Ukraine so knowing the bloke’s attitudes it’s no surprise he reacted as he did.

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    • 75
      Converted Kipper says:

      Bollocks. I think Putin is extremely dangerous, but imbeciles like Ashton have helped give him the excuse to do what he’s doing now.

      “We” should stay well out of Ukraine.

      ps Pilger is demented.

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  23. 57
    Fruitcake and swivel eyed loony loving the panic and utter desperation says:

    Pilger might be unhinged but apart from the usual lefty penchant for exaggeration sounds about right to me.

    The Ukraine crisis was solely bought about by EU empire building.

    Vote UKIP, get UKIP.

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    • 69
      C O (Ξ7s1) says:

      No. That is false propaganda.

      The EU did not put R’ussian troops on the border, or send in spetsnaz to break the country up. R’ussia did that of its own free will.

      EU expansion may have antagonized R’ussia, but that does not stack up because R’ussia is a member of several European bodies – eg. OSCE – and has a diplomatic corp who are more than capable of raising such concerns with the EU, and at the UN.

      The EU pursuing flawed foreign policies which it knows it cannot back up with force if necessary is a huge mistake. The problem is that as it is forced to climb down politically, it undermines its own credibility.

      P’utin is a practitioner of J’udo and is well read on Sun Tzu. Those disciplines both involve using your opponents strengths to defeat your opponent. That he has so far acheived, but the bout is not over yet.

      UKIP are rightly pointing out EU failure, but the ‘poking a bear with a stick’ meme breaks down when it is realized that the bear is fully awake and is currently spending billions upgrading its nuclear weapons, a program which started years before the latest problem in U’kraine.

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      • 79
        Fruitcake and swivel eyed loony loving the panic and utter desperation says:

        ‘The EU pursuing flawed foreign policies which it knows it cannot back up with force if necessary is a huge mistake.’

        That’s what I was trying to say!

        Vote UKIP, get UKIP.

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      • 81
        William Hague says:

        E by gum. I do the Judo too. I’ll wrestle with Vlad any day, or night.

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      • 136
        Your Local Friendly E.U. Borg says:

        “We are the E.U. Lower your Borders and surrender your Parliaments. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.”

        PS. And the UK isn’t just about to start spending £billions on renewing Trident?

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  24. 73
    Not in my name says:

    Don’t forget that the EU has no military ambitions. None at all. Nope. All peace and light. Honest. Clegg says so.

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    • 92
      Moley says:

      So the EU Army they are determined to have will only be used for ceremonial purposes?

      Who will decide its deployment; Ashton?

      Will any European citizen be prepared to fight for it, to give their lives to prop up Ashton, Barroso. and Van Rompuy?

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      • 99
        Steve Right says:

        Fortunately the bitch Ashton will be gone in a month.

        Unfortunately, we have no idea who her successor will be and no say in the matter.

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  25. 83
    Mrs Shitrit says:

    he didn’t mention Israel in the whole article? That’s a first…Probably a day off for him

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  26. 93
    Anonymous says:

    Meanwhile that nice Socialist Frenchman supplies Pukin with a warship. Pilger is a tw&t.

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  27. 95
    FU-Amerika says:

    US out of the UK & Europa

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  28. 102
    Steve Right says:

    Whichever side’s propaganda you choose to listen to, Western Ukraine is a local territorial dispute between Russia and Ukraine. It’s none of Britain, the US or the EU’s business. Both sides have reasonable arguments. If we cared about peace in the region, we’d encourage them to sit down and negotiate a compromise. That would probably have to include making parts of Western Ukraine independent. Instead our representatives are stirring the situation and making things worse. Pilger is a socialist arse but on this he is not far wrong.

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    • 115
      Dutch Overalls says:

      More proof that the once excellent FCO has gone to seed over the past few years. D Militwit has a lot to answer for (apart from breaking up and selling off one the of the finest libraries in the world).

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  29. 110

    I thought all you lemons were with Pilger on this.

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  30. 117
    Alterius non sit qui suus esse potest says:

    The Guardian is bog paper!

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  31. 121
    DerrIn Brown sexually assaults vulnerable women backed up by the media says:

    It is perfectly acceptable to sexualy assault, demeaned & degrade a vulnerable woman if she takes drugs. She will be taught a lesson she will never forget. Who cares if her life is ruined. As long as the media profits!

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  32. 122
    Tim Yeo-Yo says:

    If the useless EU hadn’t flashed her knickers at the Ukraine then Putin wouldn’t have got his willy out and started waving it!

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    • 134
      Tom Catesby says:

      The EUSSR is getting it’s panties in a twist over the Ukraine, Personally I don’t see the point of having yet another Eastern European basket case in the EU. It’s costing us a fortune to keep the sunny countries of the Mediterranian afloat as it is!

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    • 145
      Anonymous says:

      But for the UK, the only Willy making problems is that Hapless Hague.

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  33. 128
    Sexually assaulted, lied & smeared into sports. says:

    Reading all this socialist tripe is bad for your health. Both mentally & physically. Bad! Bad! Bad!

    I wish the Guardian would just fuck off!

    It is shite!

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    • 144
      Anonymous says:

      And that is your great weakness. Total hate for the left-wing blinds you to what really are reasoned comments – so all that remains is nasty, insult and smear. Good job others (on this site) are more interested in – and have a greater understanding of – history and world events.

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  34. 132
    Tom Catesby says:

    Putin is playing the old Stalin card. Establishing buffer zones between Russia and the west. In any case many of the Eastern European nations are still wanting to finish off WW2(recall the Balkans).

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  35. 146
    A Quote to Note says:

    “…A popular truism is that “the world changed” following 9/11. But what has changed? According to the great whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg, a silent coup has taken place in Washington and rampant militarism now rules. The Pentagon currently runs “special operations” – secret wars – in 124 countries. At home, rising poverty and a loss of liberty are the historic corollary of a perpetual war state. Add the risk of nuclear war, and the question is: why do we tolerate this?”

    And yet, instead of admitting that errors have been made, they insult John Pilger – because there are few convincing counters to the above view? Perhaps they don’t want the media silent broken?

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