February 18th, 2014

Unelected Euro-Loon Threatens: Stay in EU or Lose Freedoms

Eurocrat-ess Viviane Reding, Vice-President of the European Commission, has gone all shouty crackers again. Last month the unelected, unaccountable Reding lashed out at Britain’s elected, accountable PM. Now she is making barely veiled threats about the consequences of renegotiation and hectoring the government about its welfare, education and immigration policies:

“The four freedoms enshrined in the EU treaties come as a package. You either enjoy all of them – or none. Those who benefit from the free flow of capital, goods and services must also accept that our citizens are free to move in the EU to travel, study and work. Politicians also need to work on the quality of education and welfare, so that people in this country can find employment and enjoy reasonable social standards.”

Reding also gave her audience at Cambridge University her advice for eurosceptics, not that anyone asked for it:

“The debate in this country about the UK’s place in the EU is distorted. All that talk about opt-outs, renegotiations and referenda distracts from the real issue. Unfortunately, the debate is distracting from the real challenge in the relationship between the UK and the EU. And it is even inflicting wider damage by holding back our Union as a whole. We don’t need this. What we need are great ideas and solid arguments about how we can strengthen the EU and make it more competitive on the world stage.”

It may not be how they do things in Brussels, but Ms Reding should know that here people don’t take so kindly to being told what they do and don’t “need” by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats… 


246 Comments

  1. 1
    British Public. says:

    Fuck Off.

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    • 3
      Para Handy says:

      Please be more explicit. She may not understand.

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      • 60
        Not Alex Salmond says:

        She’s trying to bully us.

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        Anonymous says:

        When 70% of the UK’s laws are set by the European Union, that leaves 30% for the LibLabCon to argue about. Given they will be in agreement or constrained with much of the 30%, it’s pretty obvious that there is precious little different between the LibLabCon. It’s self-evident.

        The greater and more fundamental question is not the constrained 30%, but issues of UK democracy, sovereignty, self-determination and electoral representation.

        Whether LibLab or Con are in power in the interim, will in the grand scheme of things make little difference compared to the fundamental positive changes that will flow from leaving the EU and regaining the UK’s independence and sovereignty.

        If our Govt can only change 30% of the laws, then we have the wrong Govt. Thus debating the 30% is a waste of time and will never result in any changes to the 70%.

        As much as I detest Socialist Labour, there is precious little difference between Socialist ‘lite’ Conservatives and Socialist labour on the major policy issues that effect this country.

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      Good says:

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      Wait - what! says:

      I can add nothing more to this.

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      • 28
        Django McShortbread. says:

        Isn’t what she said analogous to the Governor of tbe Bank of England telling Scotland what it can and can’t do?

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        • 38
          McTavish says:

          No, it isn’t. The Governor just gave the facts and no spin.

          Anyway I can’t for the life of me see why an independent country needs someone elses currency anyway, unless they are after bailouts and freebies.

          Scotland is ideally suited to be a banking, oil rich tax free zone anyway. It’s time Salmond thought bigger than DevoMax.

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          • Not Alex Salmond says:

            Scotland is ideally suited to being a socialist cess-pit that will soon be begging for hand-outs as happens with every left wing government from North Korea to Venezuela. How has oil helped Venezuela become a utopian country?

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          • surlyscot says:

            not with fuckwits like the living dead i.e. Kim Jong fat bastard Salmond, Speak your weight machine Sturgeon (is’nt that a bottom feeding Russian fish) etc. etc. The Socialist Workers Party?? supports ‘Independance’ says it all really.

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    • 52
      Al Jazeera says:

      She just needs a good rogering, her husband if she has one is to blame, foreign twonk.

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    • 109
      How to make friends and influence people says:

      +1

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    • 113
      Sunny Jim says:

      Succinct & to the point. I commend this to the House…

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    • 155
      Hugh Janus says:

      Seconded.

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    • 164
      General Pinochet says:

      I agree with ‘British Public’……..she should go away and not bother to procreate. No wonder she was robbed in London……….lucky that was all!

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    • 180

      What exacty is this persondroid doing here, and to whom does it belong? Can some kind fellow come along with a doglead and take it away?

      And what the f*** was it doing, being allowed by some f****r to walk about in a dangerous place like Cambridge, where normal people’s opinions could be influenced?

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  2. 2
    LB says:

    The four freedoms enshrined in the EU treaties come as a package. You either enjoy all of them – or none.

    ===========

    Except if you are in the EU and Cypriot. In which case she will fuck with you freedom to move capital.

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    • 59
      SleeplessInKirkaldy says:

      The inherent assumption of our European friends is that freedom is granted to the individual by the state. Hence it can be taken away and law ignored whenever it is expedient for the apparatus of the state to do so.

      In Britain before New Labour, we used to believe that freedom was the right of the individual except where laws were passed to maintain the realm and our mutual good. I think most of us still believe in that.

      The problem is that we will therefore never be good Europeans and they will never allow true freedom.

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      • 72
        A Free-Born Englishman says:

        This is too much of an English argument and the main reason why Jonny and jilly foreigner do not understand us.

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      • 82
        Window Taxidermy says:

        You have soemthing there – the EU structure owes much to what Napoleon set up when he was in charge of Europe as such each citizen is equal as a member of the Republique/EU as opposed to the UK system of being subjects of Her Majesty. The latter initially sounds less free but as the Monarchy is a largely symbolic head in practice eack UK citizen in autonomous as opposed to being part of a larger whole. Consequnetly when the citizen model is applied in the UK we naturally rebel.

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        • 107
          I feel fubarred etc.. says:

          Does it remain even symbolic after HM signed herself over to Barosso and Rumpy’s tender mercies?

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      • 90
        bergen says:

        Yes . Here someone could do anything unless there was a law preventing it. On the continent someone could do anything that the law permitted. It is a considerable difference.

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        • 118
          Bluto says:

          The main reason the European model doesn’t suit John Bull although our weasel politicians have been keen on surreptitiously changing things to top down control and licensed freedom, aided and abetted by a state-run police. The strange thing is the apathy and lack of push back, especially from the law industry which ought to understand these things better.

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      • 209
        thostids says:

        And if one Parliament can reverse what an earlier one implemented, why do we still have anti-foxhunting Law and smokeless pubs? Now we have (or will soon) not have the right to smoke in our cars in the presence of “children”. This does appear to run counter to general freedom! But, hey, That’s Social Liberalism for you.
        And Cameron thinks that wearing wellies and sitting on his Cobras will get him re-elected. He should keep taking the pills and try to rest in the afternoons more.

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    • 96
      Julian the Wonderhorse says:

      It would be nice if they finished off the job of a single market for services before they move on to other “ever closer union” elsewhere. Try getting a job as a taxi driver in Rome.

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    • 156
      Hugh Janus says:

      I’ll happily surrender all of the freedoms guaranteed by the EU (which doesn’t really do democracy, freedom or anything else sensible anyway) in favour of a few guarantees from my own government, free from EU meddling.

      In other words I’ll take none, Reding.

      Oh, by the way – Luxemwhere….?

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    • 189
      broderick crawford says:

      you think thst s bad LB ??

      think on . the brussels mafia in tandem with frankfurt is as we speak hunkering down a ” proposal ” to extract from bank accounts THROGHOUT THE EU a ” solidarity tax ” of ten percent of all principal in EACH cbash account ( current account ” in the Whole 28 Nations !

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      • 212
        ge54e546 says:

        Or it’s a rumour put about by the yanks because the Euro looks set to take over from the Dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

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      • 234
        Poor Bloody Taxpayer says:

        Thank God I’m permanently overdrawn. They are welcome to 10% of my debt! why not. The government and the utility companies have the rest.

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  3. 4
    Dave Wisteria says:

    If you don’t give us what we want lady then our money stays in our pockets and you can stick your Treaty of Rome where the sun don’t shine.

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    neitherdeadnoralive says:

    They are now talking openly about a “United States of Europe”, and openly telling us there can be no “renegotiations”, so why wait until 2017 ? Dave’s not going to get any concessions from them, so why not have a referendum now ????

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    • 39
      Dave "fibs-are-my-forte" Cameron says:

      Re: “…why not have a referendum now????”

      Because I don’t really want one, and never did.

      My goal is to stitch up another wishy-washy coalition with my buddy Clegg, and wear you all down with fibs about renegotiation/referenda.

      Remember “cast-iron guarantee”, and “money is no object” ? Are you “Reding” me now?

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      Factchecker (forlornly hoping to educate the Guido-loons) says:

      Reding explicitly said that the UK would not be part of the United States of Europe:

      Quote: “There is a strong case for a true fiscal and ultimately political union. In my personal view, the eurozone should become the United States of Europe. Like Winston Churchill, I believe that the UK will not be part of this, but it should remain a close ally with the federated eurozone, with which it would continue to share a common market, a common trade policy and hopefully a common security agenda.”

      Her argument that freedom of labour is of a piece with freedom of capital, goods and services – that’s fair enough isn’t it? The Adam Smith Institute certainly agree.

      She also argues that currency union requires political and fiscal union – exactly the same argument that Cameron and Better Together make in support of Scotland staying in the UK.

      We should be welcoming her words not indulging in ill-thought-out knee-jerk Europhobia.

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      • 46
        What is it with Lefties and Phobia? says:

        FFS stop sticking Phobia on the end of everything you disagree with.

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        • 55
          Factchecker (forlornly hoping to educate the Guido-loons) says:

          a) I’m not a leftie; b) -phobia is the appropriate suffix to denote irrational fear and/or hatred.

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          • Carl says:

            You just don’t get it do you.

            Cameron’s fluffy notion of us joining an EU that is not in the Eurozone is not acceptable.

            At least not acceptable until it is no longer a political power and also no longer makes one law that a British Citizen should obey. The day that grocer was given a criminal record for the hienous crime of selling his veg in pounds was the day we should have left.

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          • Cinna says:

            There is nothing irrational about fear, hatred or indeed loathing of the EU and it’s eurocrats.

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          • Wait - what! says:

            Please state why hatred of the EU is irrational?
            What is irrational is your surprise that nobody else agrees with you and I would say, this sometimes includes you.

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          • Don't be so naive says:

            Irraqtional?

            The anti democratic EU is the most dangerous empire we have probably seen as far as freedom of the individual goes.

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          • Bluto says:

            I am free to fear and/or loathe the EU without dispensation from you or the arrogant presumption that it is irrational. This country once had a long tradition of individual freedom from the state where the government apparatus was the representative and servant of the people. That has been gradually changed to the idea of people being controlled and licensed by government, partly down to the excuse of terrorism, partly New Labour and partly the EU.

            What adds insult and injury to this imposed change of relationship without consent is that it is being promoted by unelected foreign bureaucrats there and unelected quangocrats here.

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          • Casual Observer 7 says:

            You may not be a leftie, but your mind has been polluted by their mindset.

            -phobia : Is for fear.

            It has only been recently modified to include prejudicial terms, which is where hatred comes in with terms such as:

            homophobic
            biphobic
            transphobic
            etc.

            Xenophobia even was until recently defined as a fear of strangers, rather than being conflated with prejudicial hatred – aka. tribalism – confusing the ‘-phobia’ suffix to with such expression.

            Conflating notions of fear with notions of hate is very much a key component of the political correct thought model that has been used recently to suppress freedom of thought and expression.

            Europhobia should be regarded as fear only, and looking at what the EU has done to Europe such fears are justified.

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          • Bravo says:

            +1 CO7

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          • The jocks wan't to walk away Scott free after Darion two says:

            Can the Jocks stop all this Anglophobia

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      • 98
        Casual Observer 7 says:

        There is no true freedom of Labour.

        Unless you can speak F’rench / G’erman etc. you cannot find work in the EU.

        In any case there are not many jobs going in the EU thanks to their austerity – look at the high youth unemployment rates: That destroys the freedom of Labour arguments.

        Not unifying with that would help ensure freedom for workers in the UK, as would reducing the economic migration which is denying access to the workplace for those born in the UK.

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    • 42
      Cameron is a federalist says:

      Dave has said he will campaign to remain in Europe. And even if there is an out vote he will not be bound by it.

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    • 117
      Anonymous says:

      Because the last thing Cameron wants is a referendum.

      He’ll find a way to dodge the supposed 2017 date too.

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      • 214
        thostids says:

        Yes. He’s straining every sinew upon losing the Election so thoroughly that his mate Milisnot stands a chance of providing the next Administration to keep the Eurotrain on its track.

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    • 160
      Hugh Janus says:

      We can have a sort of one in May – wipe out the Westminster parties in the EU and have 100% UKIP representation in Brussels.

      How long will all the troughers of Westminster prevaricate then, what with the likelihood of UKIP gaining ground twelve months later much closer to home?

      Remember, for the mainstream Westminster “elite” (or “effete” in Milibandwagon’s case) to shit the bed and pay attention properly to the public mood UKIP don’t need to take power in the Commons; they just need to hold the balance of power in the Commons.

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      • 183
        Athelstan says:

        This is exactly the strategy euro realists should adopt this May. There will be no renegotiation. There will be no referendum. There will be a continuous seceding of sovereignty to the EU and a great deal of lies from Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats, backed up by most of the Media led by the BBC.

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        • 196
          GB Public says:

          When 70% of the UK’s laws are set by the European Union, that leaves 30% for the LibLabCon to argue about. Given they will be in agreement or constrained with much of the 30%, it’s pretty obvious that there is precious little different between the LibLabCon. It’s self-evident.

          The greater and more fundamental question is not the constrained 30%, but issues of UK democracy, sovereignty, self-determination and electoral representation.

          Whether LibLab or Con are in power in the interim, will in the grand scheme of things make little difference compared to the fundamental positive changes that will flow from leaving the EU and regaining the UK’s independence and sovereignty.

          If our Govt can only change 30% of the laws, then we have the wrong Govt. Thus debating the 30% is a waste of time and will never result in any changes to the 70%.

          As much as I detest Socialist Labour, there is precious little difference between Socialist ‘lite’ Conservatives and Socialist labour on the major policy issues that effect this country.

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  5. 6
    Paniagua V5.1 says:

    You have to feel slightly jealous of the Scots, as they will at least be free of the EU come September.

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    • 65
      Not Alex Salmond says:

      Fingers crossed.

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    • 195
      inside out says:

      There will be plenty of room to live there,all the spongers and socialists will move south to England for benefits.

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    • 201
      GB Public says:

      If leaving the ‘controlling’ Union is such a strong motivator for Salmond, when the UK and EU establishment claim Scotland will be unable to join the EU, why doesn’t Salmond simply say great, we don’t want to join it anway….

      Surely if Scotland leave the UK, they will be loath to join the EU….

      Could leaving the UK and also the EU be part of Salmonds cunning plan….

      His faux outrage at being denied membership of the EU is merely stage management of the gradual exit so as not to scare the Scottish peoples and Scottish press.

      Once the Scotch people see the world has not ended by leaving the EU, surely the reasons for joining the EU and paying massive annual fees with 70% of their laws set by the EU will be less than compelling…

      Its a case of slowly slowly lose the fcuking EU monkey !!

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  6. 7
    Finally, our judges give two fingers to the ECHR says:

    Up yours, bleeding heart lefties!!!! Fuck you and the hybrid eco horse you rode in on!

    The Court of Appeal has upheld the principle of whole-life prison terms in two cases involving murderers. The court increased a 40-year tariff on murderer Ian McLoughlin to a whole-life tariff, after the trial judge had said he was unable to pass that sentence. They also dismissed an appeal by murderer Lee Newell that his whole-life order was “manifestly excessive”. The rulings come seven months after the European Court of Human Rights ruled such terms should be reviewed.

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    • 10
      Wait - what! says:

      Again, there is nothing more that needs to be added to this statement.

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        Stupid fucking leftie bleeding heart pro-criminal cunt!!!!! says:

        Leftards like that evil c-unt Frances Crook are already screeching!!! See the tweet I’ve posted below. Had to use different moniker, as embedding tweets won’t allow any comment to be posted above them.

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      SIZE 13 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

      Do you really think that the euroKommissars are going to let that rest, of course they’re not they ‘ll be back using some other ‘statute’ or another within a year or so .

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      • 168
        I feel fubarred etc.. says:

        … that can be ignored too, like most of the rest of the European countries do with all this crap that emanates from Brussels.

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    Stupid fucking leftie bleeding heart pro-criminal cunt!!!!! says:

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      Stupid fucking leftie bleeding heart pro-criminal cunt!!!!! says:

      Frances Crook and her ilk are enemies of the state. They care about one thing only and that’s the protecting and well-being of serial killers, r*pists, p*edophiles, terrorists and other criminal scum. Fucking rancid bitch.

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    • 61
      Pliny the Welder says:

      The state is a paradigm of dynamic tension where ideals are balanced out, therefore negating the extreme belifs of either end of that said paradigm.
      She is a cupid stunt though, having said that.

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    • 76
      Al Jazeera says:

      Why not let her have an away day in prison, no guards of course, with this scum and see how she feels after 24 hrs. of contact.

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    • 141
      Judge Dreadful says:

      There are loads of people who are sent to prison who it would be safe to release.

      They are not sent there simply because they are unsafe.

      They are sent ot prison for punishment, rehabilitation and to deter others from breaking the law.

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      • 153
        Stupid fucking leftie bleeding heart pro-criminal cunt!!!!! says:

        But she was commenting in the context of whole life tariffs which are only given to the very worst offenders. She’d happily see the likes of Rose West released.

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  8. 12
    Welcome to the Hotel California says:

    BBC once again simply writes up her press release. There were far worse quotes in her disastrous London speech which they papered over.

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  9. 13
    BC says:

    Don’t get too exercised. Yet another hectoring cow with little love of the UK.

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  10. 14
    Down with the EU says:

    Talking about freedoms, where can I vote for a different candidate but Viviane Reding? What? Aww

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  11. 15
    MB. says:

    To paraphrase a well known saying – ‘Lie back and think of Brussels’?

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  12. 16
    Wait - what! says:

    Considering that the freedom she now enjoys was bought with the blood of British soldiers, she’s got some fucking brass neck.

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      Mr Woy goes on tour says:

      One that should be stretched.

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    • 79
      Cinna says:

      She’s banging on about “freedom” but where is my freedom to vote for somebody other than her? Where do these people get off? I’m sick of having unelected gobshites telling me what to do and doing sweet FA themselves.

      And it’s not just the EU either. We have that unelected tosser at the EA sitting on his arse whilst the country sinks. I wouldn’t pee on any of them if they were on fire.

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    Get Rid of Scotland says:

    She’s daft. Coming to Britain and saying these things is only going to give the Conservatives and UKIPs even more votes, the opposite of what she wants!

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    • 174
      JH-32094-0239-4 says:

      People like this are completely drunk on their unearned power. They are so locked in to the mindset that anyone who disagrees with them is evil that they can’t even begin to process that every time they open their mouth it actually weakens their position.

      Seriously, the wiring is just not joined up.

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    • 202
      GB Public says:

      You’re having a laugh arn’t you !!!!

      The Conservatives agree with every word she says….

      Viviane Reding is ‘Cast Iron Dave’s’ heroine.

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    Welcome to the Hotel California says:

    When I read about her London speech I applied for my postal vote. When I read baout this one I filled out the form. Wasn’t going to bother voting UKIP before.

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    • 53
      Factchecker (forlornly hoping to educate the Guido-loons) says:

      Yeah right. You’re the mirror image of those Nat-trolls who say “I wasn’t going to bother voting for Scottish independence, but after Gideon’s bullying speech I’m definitely going to vote Yes!”

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    • 204
      Anon says:

      You should postal vote the Labour way, apply for 10 postal votes….

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    Jess The Dog says:

    Hmm. Sounds like Gideon in Edinburgh.

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      Factchecker (forlornly hoping to educate the Guido-loons) says:

      Exactly. She correctly argues that currency union requires political and fiscal union. This is indisputable. It also happens to be exactly the same argument that Cameron and Better Together make in support of Scotland staying in the UK.

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      • 206
        Anon says:

        Therefore Salmond probably in all truth, doesn’t want to join the EU.

        Think how great that will be, move to Scotland and be free of the EU.

        It will be like the UK’s very own little Monaco, only its about half the country.

        Salmond could be onto a winner… and when the rest of the UK see that without the EU, Scotland is doing just fine, has not imploded into a ball of flames and their business’s keep running and trade continues, the UK will become less scared of EU exit.

        As an Englishman, as much as my heart says Scotland should stay in the Union, if voting for independance means they escape the European Unions grasping hands, I say good on you Scotland, escape while you can, bravo.

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    Too fast? says:

    In case anyone missed Post Number 1:

    Fuck Off.

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  17. 23
    pissed off voter says:

    What she has done is list a few of the many reasons why we should exit the EU asap.

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  18. 24
    Nick Clegg says:

    Maybe it’s time to finally join the Euro.
    I think the electorate will go for it.

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  19. 26
    Lancashire Procurator Fiscal says:

    Are there lampposts and piano wire in Luxembourg?

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  20. 27
    Sir William Wayde says:

    Empires are often at their most powerful immediately before they collapse.

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    Fucking Fed up says:

    My MP wrote to me explaining how EU money was helping our area.

    The silly arse does not realise that this EU money is just a small proportion of the tax collected by HMRC that is earmarked for Europe, sent to Brussels, sent back from Europe, then distributed by quango throughout our area . Probably two thirds of the original UK tax has been lost in handling charges and corruption and then they have the audacity to erect Blue starry flags and boards all over the site, saying thankyou for helping us kind EU.

    And this was from a TORY MP.

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  22. 32
    Anonymous says:

    This is a clear sign that Dave is making head way, she is upset at losing the battle :-)

    Europe will have to change and this was made clear from the Swiss vote last week.

    Do you really think if Scot’s get there independence they will want to loose again ?

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    • 123
      Casual Observer 7 says:

      She is more p!ssed of with UKIP, and Nigel ‘Voldemort’ Farage. :-)

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    • 199
      non taxable pikey says:

      Do the Scots you mention have diarrhea that they wish to loose again? Or is there something else to lose?

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      • 207
        Anonymous says:

        Come on…. lets get real…. the Scots are merely pretending they want to join the EU…

        Once they are independent do you think they will need, or want, to join the EU ?

        They will be like a mixture of Norway / Switzerland and Monaco.

        There is no way in Hadrian’s wall, they will want to join the EU, all this posturing now is merely to present a more EU friendly face and not scare the Scottish voters away from a Yes vote.

        Out of the EU, Scotland will be in a very strong position.

        I could see a lot of wealthy British people emigrating there as non doms… it could be very financially attractive.

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    cornwall storms says:

    Could it be that the EU are becoming shouty and aggressive because they fear the loss of British contributions should we leave?

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    Judge Judy for President in 2016 says:

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    Moley says:

    At least we can now see the European Government for what it is; a dictatorship.

    Clue; the leaders are unelected and dictate to the people what they are going to do; whether they like it or not.

    From here on, it only gets worse, because the dictatorship is being challenged, and it will inevitably respond as dictatorships always do, with oppression and the persecution of those who dissent.

    Reding has taken the jackboots out of her closet.

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    • 88
      Casual Observer 7 says:

      Without Demos there is only Kratos – as Hannan pointed out some time back with respect the EU.

      All of this is just words at the moment.

      It is imperative that the EU be defunded before they advance any more the security agencies they have set up, and subvert national police forces to do their bidding.

      The exit needs to happen now.

      Another tell, to your point, is why they do not seem very concerned about the Euro elections coming up.

      That is simply because the European Parliament is a complete sham for the apparatus which is really at work. This is very much how the politburo was run in the Soviet system.

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      • 146
        Socialism Ate My Future says:

        “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
        Those who count the votes decide everything.”

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      • 176
        Fcuk me it's Sally B says:

        Let’s also remember that the houses of Conmens & Lards are also a sham.

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      • 208
        Anonymous says:

        And yet we question the logic of Salmond wanting to leave the UK and be default the EU….

        The man (although incredibly annoying) has a good point.

        Leave the UK, and as a bonus, leave the EU…. What’s not to like !!

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    ChrisBryant'sAnus says:

    How much of a ill advised Hunt is David Davis?

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  27. 40
    Japan says:

    The EU needs Britain more than Britain needs the EU.

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    Harriets Rabbit says:

    The best argument for the retention and use of Trident. 200kt airburst

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    C.O.Jones says:

    This was the cow that upset the French for equating the removal of the Roma travellers from Paris with the deportation of J.ews during WW2.

    She likes her views to be heard even though no one ever elected her to express those views.

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    i_love_monday_mornings says:

    Calm down! She is just stating the obvious. A country can be in the EU under the current rules or out. Cameron’s renegotiation cannot happen.

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    • 58
      C.O.Jones says:

      Oh what a pity, another vote for UKIP.

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    • 81
      Casual Observer 7 says:

      Renegotiation can happen, but only with consensus among all member states.

      The other member states who do want renegotiation are watching what the UK does carefully.

      Denmark are making subtle comment on what they think about the EU by shooting Giraffes.

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      • 99
        Churchills Ghost says:

        Well why don’t they grow a pair and say something rather than waiting for the big boys to start.

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      • 162
        i_love_monday_mornings says:

        Consensus between all 28 states seems extremely unlikely. I only take a passing interest in this but I’ve never heard any euro politician supporting UK renegotiation. Barroso, Hollande, Merkel, Van Rompuy, Wolfgang Schaeuble, Martin Schulz etc have all spoken against it in one way or the other. You may not like or agree with them, but they run Europe. Nigel says it’s impossible. Cameron must know that it’s hopeless but it kicks the problem to the other side of the election.

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        • 191
          Club of Rome says:

          Consensus is a post-modernist’s wet dream. Imagine if you could persuade someone that there was no objective reality in the world, but merely different people’s subjective perceptions. That would mean that (a) consensus among perceptions would take the place of proven empirical fact and (b) since the existence of a consensus would itself be a fact, the recognition of it must be purely subjective.

          From a totalitarianism point of view, if people believe in postmodernism, then the concept of consensus is how you control them.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Which means Cast Iron will never be able to persuade the 28 members to allow him to renegotiate.

            It’s simply not going to happen.

            What happens when the electorate realise that not only did Cast Iron lie to them over the referendum, but that he also lied to them about renegotiating the ‘existing’ EU rules and laws…

            The UK public will be apoplectic with rage… lied to multiple times by a deceitful prime minster, his word is worth nothing.

            That day is dawning and will be well before the 2015 General Election.

            With Cast Iron as a greying, rusty and untrustworthy leader, the Conservatives will not win a General Election for the next 15 or 20 years.

            Time to get rid of ‘Old Grey Dave…’

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  32. 56
    E Spas says:

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      I feel fubarred etc.. says:

      This only needed 5 minutes.
      1. Strategy: Own Europe
      2. Policy Analysis; Ruthless crushing of any dissent.

      There, that wasn’t difficult was it?

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  33. 63
    Katie Munter says:

    Snouty immigration channel 5 debate showed high strength of people who have smelt the coffee and realised we are in the last chance saloon with the main parties beholden to the wonder of complete disintegration of traditional UK values.

    Lynton……..take it away son. The country needs you.

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  34. 64
    Anonymous says:

    Just to clarify Guido: whilse Dave maybe subject to some form of pseudo-accountablity, he is not elected PM. he lost the 2010 election.

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    • 70
      Semantic Philosophy says:

      Is there a difference between not winning an outright majority and losing ?

      Or is it just a matter of mandate.

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      • 227
        Moley says:

        Nobody won, but Cameron was less of loser than the others.

        And that sums up how Britain elects its leaders, particularly because a very high proportion of votes in an election are cast against rather than for.

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  35. 68
    Henry II says:

    Fuck Scotland and fuck the Scots.
    Motherfuckers.

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    • 216
      Anonymous says:

      But the Scots will no longer be under the control of the EU…

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and all that…

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  36. 71
    Anonymous says:

    Its reckoned in little over a decade the EU percentage of world trade will have dropped from around 25% to around 11% i.e. the EU is a sinking ship in terms of economic success in the world due to its inherently low growth rate.
    The EU has 50% of the world’s social costs and these costs will be harder to bear in future with a shrinking share of the world economy combined with ageing demographics.
    Hands up all those who believe that a fully integrated EU where all control rests with the unelected commission (totally naive about the private sector) can be any form of economic success in a world which is driven by increasing competition rather than by the EU level playing field.

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  37. 73
    SIZE 13 CARBON FOOTPRINT says:

    Will somebody remind this impertinent Reding woman that she is from Luxemburg, a country with a population no larger than some of the larger London boroughs .

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  38. 74
    Abbott has blood on her bib says:

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      A Free Man says:

      This is what happens when socialists rig elections, rig markets and abandon democracy and the rule of law. Diane Abbot and Owen Jones are promoters of evil and should be booed and shunned by everyone in public life in this country.

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    • 173
      I feel fubarred etc.. says:

      Coming to an east London borough soon.

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  39. 77
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Reding is being a bit Owen Jones with the truth here.

    If the UK leaves, Luxembourg stands to lose a lot of revenue as the corporates which operate in the UK but domicile there for tax reasons would no longer be able to do so.

    That UK business is discounting this comparative advantage by stating that out is better than becomes even more pertinent.

    If the UK does decide to curtail the freedoms of its people after exiting, the people here are more than capable of dealing with that.

    If the EU decides to try and curtail our freedom from without, the UK has a good track record in correcting such matters also.

    Vote UKIP.

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  40. 80
    Dr White Coat says:

    EU ? – a nutters paradise so it would seem.

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  41. 89
    Trotsky's Ice Pick says:

    Kill it before it lays eggs.

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  42. 91

    Stay in EU AND Lose Freedoms

    There. Fixed that for her.

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  43. 95
    Scum gets tasered. We need security guards like this! says:

    Go to 3:20 to see the lead up to the c-unt getting tasered.

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  44. 100
    Jones the Owned says:

    We will always win, Crosby is our biggest asset.

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  45. 103
    EU Funded Pro-EU Troll says:

    Vote UKIP

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  46. 104
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    Are not people traffickers among those who benefit the most from the open borders policy ?

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    • 121
      C.O.Jones says:

      True, people traffickers and drug smugglers.

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    • 126
      Blue Peter Goldfish says:

      People traffickers + other assorted organised criminal gangs, industrial scale skunk growers, shoplifters, multi benefit fraud claimants, serial rapists, car insurance scammers and child groomers. We don’t want lose our freedoms do we?.

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  47. 105
    Not so white Dee, more Shite Dee says:

    I enjoyed being the main turn on the telly, I only gets 200 a week and I spends 75 on the lotto. Am being bipolar means I has to look like a polar bear like. fuckin shit.

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  48. 108
    Point of Order says:

    ‘It may not be how they do things in Brussels, but Ms Reding should know that here people don’t take so kindly to being told what they do and don’t “need” by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats… ‘

    And the people of Britain generally do not take kindly such pearls of wisdom dispensed by the elected politicians either, unless there is agreed consensus. :-)

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    Anon says:

    There is only one language people like this understand

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  51. 115
    Casual Observer 7 says:

    There has always been a common security agenda in Europe, which was the reason for the common trade zone etc. to be set up in the first place:

    Stop F’rance and G’ermany going to war, and stop G’ermany trying to start another World War.

    The UK exiting the EU has nothing at all to do with that: Trident is a major part of the UK’s commitment to this end.

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  52. 122
    The Diary of Owen Jones aged 13¾ says:

    James O’Brien discussing something that won’t happen on his show and blaming the evil, evil tories for something that won’t ever happen.

    Tune in if you are a bit of a wet and want a good cry.

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  53. 124
    Anonymous says:

    “Ms Reding should know that here people don’t take so kindly to being told what they do and don’t “need” by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats…”

    Especially if they have access to an un-redacted dictionary? In which to look up the true meaning of the word ‘democracy’, before tin-pot tyrants elect to redefine it.

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  54. 127
    The United States of America says:

    Fuck the EU.

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  55. 138
    I wonder why Owen Jones is silent on this says:

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    • 148
      Casual Observer 7 says:

      Police shoot unarmed drug dealer, who turned out to be armed: Labour / BBC wankfest and riots all over.

      Police murder students: Silence.

      Owen Jones supports this logic.

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    • 151
      The implication is... says:

      He is silent because as an anti-democratic socialist he thinks killing his enemies is a good idea. He wishes he could do it here, but if he says so, he won’t look quite as cool to his ill-educated teenage fans and his fellow travellor mates at Channel 4 won’t be allowed to give him free first class socialist rail tickets and green room hospitality

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  56. 139

    Is Dan Hodges the only person in the UK who thinks Dave will win an outright majority in 2015?

    *perplexed*

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    • 144
      Podiceps says:

      Possibly Dave himself, or why would he persist in his foolish behaviour?

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      • 177
        i_love_monday_mornings says:

        If Dave thought he had even the remotest chance of winning he wouldn’t have come up with the EU renegotiation idea (ie running repeatedly at a brick wall) That was to try to keep things quiet until 2015 after which he can retire.

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    • 149
      Dan Hodges says:

      I don’t think Cameron will win so much as ed will lose.
      I mean.. just look at him. Who’s going to vote for that gormless, vapid, posh ponce.

      {I’m talking about Ed here … but I can see how the confusion could arise}

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  57. 145
    Montgomery says:

    Jack boots in the E.C. Brussels on the march again. They’re terrified the UK will quit and of the ensuing domino effect throughout the EU.

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    • 150
      Domino Effect says:

      G’reece, !taly and Spain are next up, as maybe G’ermany itself, and then there is Holland.

      Reding is being a little bit disingenuous also: The Benelux deal that was signed the other year is not entirely in the spirit of the EU either…

      But they don’t really need the UK in order to help them make their decisions: The EU is just looking for a scapegoat.

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  58. 157
    Maimed Cadger says:

    Our voice in the EU is meaningless, we only get crumbs… it is now a pointless argument to consider Britain having any affect on EU Policy…Reluctantly I see UKIP as our only salvation..

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  59. 159
    john in cheshire says:

    Ms Reding should also know that when we leave, we’ll be be repatriating our fishing waters too, so she’d better tell all those other good EUropeans they’d better start making alternative arrangements when the glorious day arrives and we are free from these communists.

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    • 222
      Tom Catesby says:

      Our fishing grounds will only be secure for the future if we have a navy to police and protect them.

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  60. 161
    Mrs Merkin's poodle says:

    We have stated today that the Uk is asking the correct questions about EU. of course we are so far in to this shitty thing that we can do fuck all about it.

    However, we do envy our UK cousins and the House of Windsor. Ve vish ve had the lady here but of course she is of correct stock.

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  61. 163
    Anonymous says:

    She’s appointed by the democratically elected government, accountable to a democratically elected Parliament. In the same way as, you know, Ministers.

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  62. 169
    The British media are cunts says:

    Silly fucking bitch might like to remember just who it was that gave Europe BACK its freedom.

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    • 182
      JH-32094-0239-4 says:

      My thoughts exactly.

      These people really do believe they are the cause of peace between major powers in Europe for 70 years, rather than just a temporary symptom of it.

      Leave them to it. Next time they have a go at each other – and it may well be within 30 years – both we and the US should just sell them the guns and eat popcorn watching.

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    • 205
      Marshall G. K. Zhukov says:

      Nice of you to remember us comrade! Next time we’ll let the Germans set up their new Reich then sit back and charge you all more money for our gas and oil. Oh we’re doing that already! You’re in the EU for good and bitches like this will lord it over you because you are spineless.

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  63. 178
    maggiegravedancer says:

    It may not be how they do things in Brussels, but Ms Reding should know that here people don’t take so kindly to being told what they do and don’t “need” by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats…

    But we do let all sorts express their opinion, even Fat, Racist, Gordon brown lookalike pieces of sh!t like Staines.

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  64. 184
    Sir Herbet Quim says:

    Ein Volk, ein Führer, ein Reich…

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  65. 186
    Graham says:

    Viviane Reding – an unelected fucking slag. Why doesn’t she just fuck off with Barroso , Rumpy Pumpy and the rest of the EUSSR Hunts ? Referendum , Cameron , or civil unrest or civil war.

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  66. 187
    dogleg says:

    Here’s an example of the wonderful “freedoms” that have just been voted on in the EU Parliament, on Feb 4th, while the rest of us were distracted by all the flooding…

    http://www.citizengo.org/en/2882-european-parliament-will-vote-roadmap-special-lgbt-rights-lunacekno?m=5&tcid=2082893

    http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/homosexuality/eu-by-adopting-the-lunacek-report-the-european-parliament-has-turned-down-human-rights-for-all/

    And I read that Switzerland is now being picked on for daring to put its own immigration controls in place;
    http://www.vieuws.eu/foreign-affairs/eu-punishes-switzerland-freezes-research-grants-and-swiss-involvement-in-erasmus/

    This EU outfit is ramping up the pressure. As you have all said, in different ways, the bastards need shooting.

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  67. 188
    Jimmy says:

    ” elected, accountable PM”

    Who is that and how do his responsibilities differ from the one appointed under the coalition agreement?

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    The fallen says:

    So why doesn’t one, just one Eurocrat, say thank you to Britain?

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  70. 197
    A Fine Pair of Lungs says:

    ” It may not be how they do things in
    Brussels, but Ms Reding should know
    that here people don’t take so kindly
    to being told what they do and don’t
    “need” by unelected, unaccountable
    bureaucrats…”

    SHE CAN FUCK OFF. BITCH!

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  71. 203
    Jimmy says:

    Ironically your best chance of preventing her becoming Commission President is to vote Labour.

    You know it makes sense.

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  72. 210
    fed up in britain says:

    for all our sakes lets leave this evil axis. fuck the eu.

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  73. 213
    Anonymous says:

    come back Adolf Hitler

    at least Adolf Hitler was elected and had a far more Benign plan for Europe than the EU.

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  74. 219
    English freeman says:

    Rights? I don’t need the EU to “give me” rights. I was born with all the rights any man could possibly want or need, all safely guaranteed by English common law thanks very much. That has served free Englishmen very nicely for a 1000 years or so when most of the other EU countries didn’t even exist and those that did were being tyrannised by unrestrained tribal chiefs. Please don’t lecture the English people about rights.

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  75. 220
    Tom Catesby says:

    She’s right, all the talk does distract us from the main issue, which is, a referendum asap! now she can f^ck off.

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  76. 221
    Tom Catesby says:

    Yeah, oil didn’t make Venezuela a utopian country, North sea oil didn’t make us one either.

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  77. 223
    thostids says:

    Let’s be under no illusion, the end-game of the present (and in their view, permanent) political cadre is to fight off all attempts to get the UK out of Europe by seeing dead and buried the generation who fought the last War. Except that that generation’s children are equally unappreciative of the Self -styled EC. If we do ever get one of the Legacy Parties to offer a Referendum, you can bet that they will enfranchise 16+ year-olds in an effort to neutralise the grey vote. A bit like the Scots letting their schoolchildren vote in an effort to counter good sense in the forthcoming “Kamikaze Banzai Charge” ( a bit like inter-currency transaction charge but “one-off”).

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  78. 230
    John says:

    It’s called DEMOCRACY you c*nt…

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  79. 231
    Anonymous says:

    I’ll moderate myself simply by saying:

    Fuck off you old Hunt.

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  80. 235
    Anon says:

    Apparently 1 in 20 people on Twitter are trolls and many comments above appear to be from trolls too. Grown up responses to the commissioner’s speech from the Guido Loons include: “Eff off Bitch” “the bastards need shooting,” “silly fucking bitch,” “This was the cow that upset the French..”She should go away and not bother to procreate. No wonder she was robbed in London……….lucky that was all! “She just needs a good rogering, her husband if she has one is to blame, foreign twonk.” Guido’s headline demonstrates appropriate political maturity. Well done.

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    • 238
      Dessert Rat says:

      What’s your point fuckwit?

      We should respect fascists and give them a fair hearing, just before they gas us?

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  81. 237
    Dessert Rat says:

    Who do you think you are kidding, Mrs Hitler, …………………………

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  82. 239
    Jack the Ripper says:

    Whatever the world stage is, Reding should be on it.

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  83. 243
    David Cameron Is A Cunt says:

    Please allow me to be the 240th person to tell Reding to FUCK OFF!

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  84. 244
    Anonymous says:

    “The four freedoms enshrined in the EU treaties come as a package.”

    Presumably paid for, by the cost concomitant with institutionalised corruption? Where there is no point demanding ,”Show us the money”. Since not only has that vanished. But accounts, which would normally provide a paper-trail, never even existed.

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  85. 246
    Anonymous says:

    Do one nazibitch, the picnics over

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