January 9th, 2014

Sugar is Not ‘the New Tobacco’

The We Can’t Go On Like This Brigade are out in force this morning  and today’s target is sugar. Those of us who predicted that once nanny had got bored of booze and fags, she would come for our sweeties don’t look so stupid now. “Children’s alcohol” cry the Guardian, the “new tobacco” say the Mail.

Given that there are records of Henry III eating sugar in Britian in 1264 and tobacco was not imported until 1586, that headline needs some work…


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  1. 1
    Rhodes Boyson’s glorious muttonchops says:

    I like the “lose weight” header above.

    I don’t mind people guzzling cakes and swilling sodas but I do mind paying for the lardbuckets when they need healthcare for self-inflicted diabetes and other expensive conditions.

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      Mr Potato Head says:

      There is sugar in so much it is no wonder half the country is obese. All those Indian and Chinese curries (many of which in the UK contain sugar) that are often lauded as the main benefit of UK immigration have also added to the problem of obesity.

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      • 51
        Bilda Berger says:

        One of the consequences of taxpayer-funded healthcare is this idea that your health is no longer strictly your own affair. It’s bollocks, of course, because all those campaigning for compulsory wearing of bike helmets, say, also use vehicles that belch fumes exacerbating the kiddies’ asthma, etc., etc.

        The nannies can fuck right off with their misguided and cack-handed legislation.

        Nonetheless, refined sugar is probably the main factor in the obesity epidemic, and people should know what it does to them in excess.

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      • 96
        Yew Kipper says:

        High time we got rid of foreign food like tea, potatoes and bananas!

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      • 198
        Nick Griffin says:

        Presumably, you’d object to passing for smokers to receive cancer treatment too. Which Is fair enough. What about skiers who have accidents? It’s their own bloody fault that they need medical attention. It’s not like anyone forced them to go skiing.The should be said of mountaineer, rock climbers, horse riders, rugby players, people injured in car accidents.

        But what I really object to is people who choose to live in Glasgow. Statistically, Glaswegians live considerably shorter lives than almost anybody else in the country. There’s absolutely nothing to stop them moving elsewhere, If they’re so sentimental for Scotland, why can’t they live in Edinburgh? Why should I have to pay for their medical treatment because, of their own free will, they choose to live in Glasgow?

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    • 74
      Fuck the fuckers says:

      So they are going to ban fruit, Honey, sweetcorn and bananas?

      Look the state can give warnings, advice but that is as far as it should go.

      What worries me is that the EU which does not have to bother with trivialities such as democracy will act in a draconian manner and ban the lot.

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      • 98
        Fly on the wall says:

        Bent bananas – describes the EU to a T

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      • 178
        luddie luddite says:

        WELL…. IT S ALREADY BANNED CALCIUM NITRATE THE ONLY EFFECTIVE LONGTERM GARDEN WEEDKILLER

        …. AND … RECENTLY ….. MOTHBALLS , WHICH MY MUM TAUGHT ME TO PUT IN CLOTHES DRAWERS WHEN I WAS A NIPPER AND I HAVE CONTINUED TILL THIS DAY . AT 66 THEY HAVE YET TO ADVERSELY AFFECT ME … SO NOW WE LOOK TO A FUTURE OF MOTH EATEN GARMENTS ….. ANOTHER WEAPON IN THE ARMOURY OF BUILT IN OBSOLESCENCE !

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      • 199
        Adolph Cameron says:

        You will be permitted a daily ration of fruit and granola. You can have an egg at Christmas.

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    • 120
      Psyche the Dog says:

      So how do you account for Erica Pickles, their can be a fair amount of sugars in curries and other asian foods, the more they eat of the muck the more sugar they consume. To be fair to fatties, I could could call myself one but not in the same league as Erica, sometimes it is genenetic or they have used steroids in the past prescribed by their doctor for some illness they had (boy they do tend to make you eat more than is good for you) but a vast proportion just cannot stop eating and the cheapest foods have a lot of fats and sugars, they taste nice though. They are now belly aching about fructose found in fruit which is a sugar, found in fruit and honey, if you didn’t eat everything they told you not to eat, you would end up starving.

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      • 150
        Anonymous says:

        Sucrose is sugar

        Sucrose is made of Fructose and Glucose.

        In nature (before cultivation) the balance was always 50/50. So the human body did not need to check both levels.

        Now we have cultivated and GM foods the balance is totally skewed. These foods are therefore poison to our bodies.

        For most of existence the body used every once of energy it could get and regulated its activity to the flow of nourishment.

        Now we need to regulate the flow of nourishment to match our forced inactivity.

        So both our food supply and our work supply are killing us.

        The only way forward is to abandon the high production methods and move to the World away from the desperate drive for quantity in everything.

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      • 179
        BRODERICK CRAWFORD says:

        Perhaps that s the plan . If you’re poor do not eat –and die !

        Would certainly make both the unemployment and pensioner portfolios more manageable ….

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    • 194
      Here's another idea says:

      I don’t mind you paying for the lardbuckets … so that cancels your vote, doesn’t it?

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    • 210
      Richard Littlejohn@dailymail.co.uk says:

      Terry Venables does not like Sugar for some reason

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  2. 2
    Tuscan Tony says:

    There’s also records of people getting stoned in the time of Jesus but that doesn’t make it a good thing. Oddly enough my own researches on sugar and its effect on the liver would suggest that the DM is for once onto something.

    Mind you, it’s a great way of disposing of the unwashed masses early and thus before they collect their unfunded pensions. For every cloud…

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    • 5
      Food Watch says:

      You may be confusing corn syrup with refined sugar.

      There is not much corn syrup in UK food and what is there is easy to avoid.

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      • 31
        Tuscan Tony says:

        Corn syrup is not good either but I was referring to sugar in general.

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        • 42
          Lateral thought says:

          Sugar is fine for the liver as long as it isn’t from alcohol.

          Saturated fats and corn syrup bad. Sat fats put a strain (am managing IBS so know about this intimately…) on that system and cause probs. Corn syrup causes visceral fat to form.

          Sugar itself is just fine as long as you do not have insulin spike and it is wheat that mainly causes that. Sugar with wheat is a very bad idea for that reason but as wheat is the chronic poison best to cut that.

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          • Fattie says:

            Serious question but what has the saturated fats and corn syrup? Corn syrup is a new one to me

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          • Glaswegian Life Expectancy says:

            I guess those sugar sandwiches I had as a kid were a bad idea then?

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          • Lateral thought says:

            Corn syrup is more a US thing – it is a refined sugar made from Maize (sweetcorn) Will find it in softdrinks, but is also put in a lot of processed foods as it is cheaper than beet / cane sugar.

            It is not so common in UK / Europe but is present.

            The saturated fats are needed in small amounts and source mainly from meat and dairy. Those that come from fried food are particularly bad – eg Crisps. Body will convert to fat readily and they put a strain on bilious system which is responsible for making agents to digest.

            Liver produces bile which is stored in gall bladder and released to intestine to break down fats. Pancreas also produces enzymes in this system.

            Excessive strain on those systems over a long period (like half a lifetime) leads to problems with liver, gall stones and pancreas problems. Increased risk of cancer and inflamations.

            Just for free: Colesterol sources from bile products mainly. Excessive bile produced to digest fats increases that in blood stream leading to heart disease.

            When you know how your body works and what the effect of what you put in has some health advice becomes understandable, but then other advice is exposed as being false.

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          • Lateral Thought 2 says:

            @Fattie: Corn Syrup is a refined sugar product made from Maize.

            You will find it in North America more than UK, but is present in the UK. Mainly used in baked products (like cakes), soft drinks and processed foods. It is used in place of normal sugar as it is cheaper, but it does have a very different effect in the body mainly as it is converted into visceral fat, and causes fatty deposits in the liver.

            Saturated fats are mainly from meat, but also exist in fried products such as crisps.

            In body, the bilious system is responsible for fat digestion. Fat will pass through the stomache and is digested in the small intestine. Bile and enzymes from the pancreas are involved in that process. Liver produces bile, stored in gall bladder.

            Bile is high in cholesterol – so increase fat intake, you increase bile production, and blood cholesterol levels go up. High levels have been linked to heart disease.

            If you combine corn syrup with saturated fat you put a double hit on the liver. Over a period of half a lifetime doing this, you will begin to feel the effects – in middle age.

            (NB: People also do not realize that a reasonable section of the population become lactose intolerant also in middle age or there abouts. The naturally occurring sugars in cows milk are not part of a natural human diet in adult life…)

            @Glaswegian: Assuming your sandwiches were consumed at least 20 years ago you are fine. Wheat has changed (thanks to GM) in the intervening period. The wheat available in food chain now is different and causes problems with the bodies ability to regulate blood sugar.

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          • El Sid says:

            The liver can’t tell whether sugar comes from alcohol or not, it just sees blood sugar. Consuming it at the same time as alcohol just puts the liver under more stress, but it can’t tell the difference between Sauternes and washing down a Mars Bar with a dry Martini.

            There’s two main sugars in your blood – glucose and fructose. The sucrose found in normal cane/beet sugar is made up of one molecule of glucose and one molecule of fructose, so eating normal “sugar” releases a 50:50 mix of glucose and fructose into your body. Sucrose may also be processed industrially into a 50:50 mix of glucose and fructose, called invert sugar. High fructose corn syrup (fructose-glucose syrup) is processed to convert some of the glucose in corn syrup to fructose. The US has tariffs on beet/cane sugar to protect its corn industry, Europe restricts imports of corn syrup to protect its beet/cane industry, so soft drinks are the main place you’ll see corn syrup in Europe.

            There’s some evidence to suggest that fructose makes you fatter than glucose, but neither are good as a large proportion of your diet. Here’s a bit of history on corn syrup :

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      • 190
        Non taxable pikey says:

        In Urop its called glucose syrup amongst other names. The food processing corporations are always looking for different names for the carp. Sainsbury’s are making a half-hearted attempt to keep it out of the stuff they sell, likewise with hydrogenated oils. The latter put plaque into the blood stream, with heartfelt results.

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        • 197
          Psyche the Dog says:

          I thought products with hydronated oils and other fats had been banned about 5 years ago

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          • non taxable pikey says:

            Nope, however, if you go to Denmark…..

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          • El Sid says:

            The major supermarkets stopped adding them to their own brand things then, and they’re working on the stuff they buy in from elsewhere, but the industry are resisting a total ban.

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    • 195
      Here's another idea says:

      The fact that something ‘doesn’t mean it is a good thing’ doesn’t make it a bad one.

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    • 203
      Llareggub says:

      Why didn’t they tell us all this BEFORE Christmas?

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  3. 3
    Lateral thought says:

    It is wheat, artificial sweetners and excessive fat that is causing the problems, not sugar.

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      Anonymous says:

      No it’s sugar that’s causing the problems, and that includes the sugars in wheat.

      And artificial sweeteners are a problem because they cause people to crave more sugar.

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      • 23
        Lateral thought says:

        Not the sugars in wheat but the enzymes in the GM stuff we now have and the gluten. Enzymes more so because they screw up the insulin cycle causing blood sugar levels to go out.

        MSG is another problem here also.

        You are correct on sweetners for aspartame. The others will increase your chances of getting cancer.

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        • 40
          Anonymous says:

          Why bother going for the tin-foil hat argument that wheat is bad when there’s such clear evidence that it’s worth avoiding just for the carbohydrate content?

          It’s just as easy to become obese eating rice or oats or any other staple food whether it’s GM or gluten free or not.

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          • Lateral thought says:

            It is when your insulin cycle has been scewed up by wheat intake which stops your body from processing carbs properly. Look at poor countries where rice is a staple and people eat normal – you will notfind many wheat eaters or obese people. Penny drop ?

            Gluten damages small intestine that leads to malnutrition over time and also causes IBS and other syndrome.

            No tin foil hat – real research has been done and is available in the US and I also speak from direct experience.

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          • Anonymous says:

            In poor countries where rice is a staple food intake is restricted by economics not appetite.

            Obesity and diabetes is prevalent in developed countries because we can afford to eat too much, on a low carb diet appetite is for the most part self-regulating.

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          • Lateral Thought 2 says:

            Overeating is not the problem.

            Eating nutritionally bad quality food is, especially that which stimulates appetite primarily by upsetting blood sugar regulation.

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          • Psyche the Dog says:

            40 It’s noticeable that when people in poor countries start eating a western diet a lot of them become obese, consumption of wheat products and alcohol made from wheat and barley could explain why they are starting to get obese. In China the north of the country eats mostly wheat in their food, in the south they use rice as the staple.

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    • 12
      mother Nature says:

      It’s the lack of self control by the overweight idiots that is the problem, coupled with them also being lazy bastards who do not do enough exercise. Simples.

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      • 29
        Lateral thought says:

        No – it is their lifestyle and metabolism.

        Diet can impact metabolism and state of mind. Sugar is not the problem there.

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        • 34
          Mother Nature says:

          Lifestyle — Their failure to get off their fat arses — just sitting and stuffing themselves with endless food instead

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          • Lefty apologists says:

            It’s an illness and they’re all victims.

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          • Lateral thought says:

            Lifestyle is in part a state of mind and a lot of what is in the UK diet prevents clear rational thought and promotes negative emotional states including depression.

            Lifestyle in any case is more complicated than food, but you are what you eat.

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          • Another lefty mong says:

            The metabolisticaly-challenged community contribute to our rich cultural experience. We should celebrate their condition moving forwards.

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          • HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

            I ‘ve just retired after 48 years of paying taxes and NI contributions I am entitled to sit on my arse as long as I wish….FUCK YOU NANNYING ARSEHOLES !

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          • Lateral Thought 2 says:

            @HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE : Fully agree with you.

            No one has the right to tell you what to eat or do (unless it is your doctor for genuine medical reasons, or your religion, etc.), and even less, no one has the right to remove choice over what people want to eat.

            The government does not have the long term health interests of the people as a concern anyway.

            They are only interested in reducing pension obligations, reducing health care costs, taxing and getting elected.

            Instead of banning, they should perhaps try educating those who are interested properly, and ensuring that the dangerous products (like diseased horse meat sold as beef) are kept out of the food chain.

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          • BMi perfection says:

            @ lateral thought “you are what you eat”
            Does that make us cannibals?
            BTW it IS sugar that is the problem, not where it comes from but what it is.
            Eat a lot of sugar (or just starchy food) and your body will react by converting the excess sugar into fat. Your body is predisposed to converting abundant sugar into stored energy to counter the seasonality of such food sources.

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          • MSc in Nutritional Science says:

            To put it simply too much sugar, too quickly, spikes your body into over production of insulin, which is fat storage by another name. You then overshoot, get “hungry” quickly and take in more sugar and spike again. High glycemic foods do that, low ones take time to digest so the spike isn’t there. Stay on the high G foodstuffs and you eventually are heading for Type 2 diabetes which is completely curable by changing to a low G diet.
            High fructose corn syrup (as someone said above sometimes called Glucose syrup) exacerbates an already bad situation. The food industry is not in the business of keeping you fit and healthy, its in it for profit and doesn’t give a flying Fk if you die in the process.

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  4. 4
    Susanne says:

    Will those driving the nanny state just please fuck off.

    We need to just get rid of every public servant involved in utter tosh like this – and only Nigel Farage is going to do that.

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      Joe Public II says:

      Good on yer Susie. Spot on correct.

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        Bluto says:

        +1

        The problem is that driving the nanny state, or more correctly the back seat drivers of the quango, fake charity and think tank brigade, are part of a relatively new but very lucrative industry. Getting paid huge amounts of taxpayer money for demanding to ban things is nice work if you can get it but self-sustaining. The more they ban the more they have to find to ban.

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      • 170
        Bluto says:

        +1

        The problem is that driving the nanny state, or more correctly the back seat drivers of the third sector, are part of a relatively new but very lucrative industry. Getting paid large amounts of taxpayer money for demanding to ban things is nice work if you can get it but self-sustaining. The more they ban the more they have to find to ban.

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    • 146
      Bluto says:

      +1

      The problem is that driving the nanny state, or more correctly the back seat drivers of the quango, fake charity and think tank brigade, are part of a relatively new but very lucrative industry. Getting paid huge wodges of taxpayer money for demanding to ban things is nice work if you can get it but self-sustaining. The more they ban the more they have to find to ban.

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    • 173
      Anonymous says:

      But it’s too late for that.

      We’ve had 30-40 years of education, medicine, and general nanny-statism based on horrendously flawed research.

      This latest movement towards sugar being bad for us isn’t a progression of the nanny-state, it’s a step towards undoing some of the damage already done.

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  5. 6
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    whats Lord Sir Alan done now?

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  6. 9
    Ippikin says:

    Watch this space . . . just like butter and red wine.
    One day it will be good for us and the next the devil’s conncotion!

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    • 64
      Anonymous says:

      The problem here is that the way we teach doctors is to force rote memorisation of textbooks. The nature of the education is akin to brainwashing. It’s the root cause of many complaints about GPs, because they only know how to diagnose and prescribe drugs according to what’s written in their book.

      Todays senior doctors including those who are or who work with the policy makers, are still basing their policies on things they were taught decades ago, and what they were taught was still at least partly based on what their teachers were taught even longer ago.

      This means that todays official advice from doctors and government is essentially “fat is bad for you, eat lots of bread it’s really good for you”, but this is utterly archaic.

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      • 139
        Ippikin says:

        True. The other thing of course is the ‘intervention’ of the interested parties – Tate & Lyle for instance.
        I recently read a very detailed report on the testing of cranberry juice as an agent to deter bacteria from sitting on the bladder wall.
        It turns out that all of the original claims came from the industry itself and when comprehensively tested proved to be false.
        The scientific conclusion was that it had no effect whatsoever!
        I suppose we can now look forward to a furious debate on the efficacy of sugar when the simple truth probably lies in the agade of ‘a little of everything . . . . ‘

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        • 143
          Casual Observer 5 says:

          Cranberry is a diuretic, but they were taking the p!ss.

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        • 202
          Psyche the Dog says:

          Surely all this pushing prepared food out is all about money, if you pay very little for a meal (a prepared one) you have to ask yourself where have the corners been cut, nice but very little or lots of it and complete rubbish, but tastes acceptable. If labels were in larger print on packets saying exactly what is in the meal those that are interested would be better informed, especially if you are on medication eg on ACE inhibitors (for blood pressure control) you are not supposed to consume foods with a high potassium content or consume grapfruit or grapefruit juice

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  7. 10
    Owen Jones says:

    Downing Street needs an Office for the Elimination of Right Wing Political Bloggers.

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  8. 11
    Anonymous says:

    Bereaved people are being “failed” by the lack of support they get at work, a charity has said.

    Get real, man up, life goes on. Do you want the state to wipe your arse as well?

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  9. 13
    Really pissed off says:

    Don’t be so fecking pompous Quido.

    We eat more and a lot of it is processed shite, not food. We exercise less and we live in heated homes so the simple truth is we should eat less. There is a very real problem with healthy eating and you have to be dumb to pretend there isn’t.

    Stick to nailing the expenses fraudsters and taking to piss out if the self important twats in Westminster.

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  10. 14
    man on the street says:

    Cane sugar is probably the least of our worries. Much worse stuff being introduced into our food.

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  11. 17
    David Cameron looking resplendent in a Hi Vis jacket says:

    I’ve only been back at work for 3 days and already I’m exhausted!

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    • 26
      Samcam says:

      Yep. You’re all droopy downstairs again. I’m thinking of trading you in for one of those virile Bulgaromas that are flooding to the U.K.

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  12. 19
    General Pinochet says:

    Back in Chile, we could even make sugar disappear if we wanted to…….luckily for them, the peasants couldn’t aford it!

    Viva El Presidente Farage!

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    • 35
      Castro dynasty says:

      In Cuba we make everybody poor so nobody notices poverty.

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      • 44
        La Castro Nostra says:

        But we have the best medical health system and one of the healthiest populations in the world !

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        • 57
          Mr Potato Head says:

          People are indeed much healthier when they are poor. The health of those in Cuba improved a lot during the economic crisis of the 1990s. So it makes you wonder why the loony left are always whingeing on about poverty in the UK. Were the needless deaths in NHS Stafford hospital under Labour not enough?

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          • Jack Ketch says:

            Same in WW2. The generation with ricketts, scurvy and pot bellies down t’pit on an open diet found that shitty government bread, potatoes, spam and 2 oz of sugar per week were taller, healthier, slimmer than ever before of since.

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        • 157
          A friend tells me says:

          Cubans live on scrawny chickens and black beans.

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  13. 20
    Ippikin says:

    Mr. Harman, do your prefer your sugar in the form of mollasses or golden syrup?

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  14. 22
    Ah! Monika says:

    FFS I give up. It’s impossible to roll a granulated Rizla, I’m off to buy some demerera.

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  15. 24
    Nigella Lawson says:

    I really love sugar.

    I even eat it with my nose.

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  16. 27
    bs says:

    Guido – I agree with your libertarian instincts, but sometimes they lead you up the garden path.

    Sugar is causing huge health problems and cost to us all. Unlike tobacco (a) most people don’t know that they are consuming it in the quantities that they are and (b) it doesn’t kill it’s victims as quickly. There is therefore no utilitarian case to make that it kills stupid people quicker and saves money.

    It is entirely legitimate for the government to require food companies to reduce the amount of sugar in processed/prepared food and to put on labelling to inform people in an easy-to-understand way how much sugar there is in the food (i.e. ‘equivalent to x teaspoons’). It will save us a fortune in the medium to long-term.

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    • 55
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      It has FUCK ALL to do with the government what people eat, drink, smoke or spend their own money on !
      When will these nanny- statist arseholes learn to shut their stupid faces and stop interfering in other peoples business?

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      • 97
        bs says:

        It’s very much my business that the huge taxes I pay fund treatments to legions of blubberguts whose problems are largely caused by excessive sugar intake, frequently unknowing.

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        • 129
          Socialism = Starvation says:

          Well tell the scoundrels taxing you to get lost and scrap the free health care, easy isn’t it? The problem is not the ‘blubberguts’, it’s the parasites taking your money to pay for them. If they didn’t take it for this, they’d find another reason to take your money.

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        • 145
          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          When you have been paying taxes for 48 years then complain, until then KEEP YOUR FUCKING NOSE OUT!

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        • 148
          Bluto says:

          Plenty of your tax is wasted on all sorts of things. You have cherry picked one. Your faddish argument to demonise a stereotyped group – “legions of blubberguts” – is incredible.

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          • John Bellingham says:

            “Blubberguts” is a fabulous description–I shall use it from now on. Did one notice that “White Dee” the heroine of “Benefits Street” was the size of a Battlecruiser? Poor, starving folks.

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          • bs says:

            @bluto – the point is that much of the expense and misery is avoidable if sugar content is lowered and I see no reason why that shouldn’t be done. Just because obesity is only one type of waste it doesn’t mean we should throw our hands back in horror and try not to do anything about it – I’m against all such waste. In relation to obesity it strikes me that it is one of the more avoidable types of waste which, if we can reduce it, will give individuals and society a significant boost.

            And yes – blubbergut -the overwhelming majority of people who are overweight can lose it by eating and drinking less as well as cutting down on sugar, so I don’t mind criticising their failure to do so, just as I accept that my failings can be criticised.

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        • 163
          Rob says:

          Before it was carbohydrates, before that it was fats, God knows what it will be next year.

          It is a public hysteria whipped up by fanatics in Public Health, the Marxist wing of the medical profession. It is about power. Don’t fall for the shit.

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    Anonymous says:

    This is entirely true.

    Fat has been demonised in the media and medical circles for decades now. Fat has been drastically reduced in many different foods, yet obesity and diabetes has skyrocketed. This is as all the calories from fat have been replaced with sugar and other refined carbohydrates.

    The facts:
    Eating carbs excessively increases hunger rather than satiating.
    Carbs directly affect insulin level leading to diabetes.
    The bodys natural response to large amounts of carbs in the diet is to try and store it as fats, however the natural response to a diet mainly composed of fat is to burn fat.

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    • 36
      Lateral thought says:

      Cut wheat from your diet in total and all those symptoms go away and you will start to lose weight- especially if you also cut down saturated fats also.

      Replace wheat with fresh veg and as much sugar as you want and you will find you eat less, feel healthier and will lose weight without doing extra exercise.

      May also find hayfever symptoms go away if you have that.
      :-)

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      • 41
        HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

        JUST FUCK OFF!

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      • 85
        Anonymous says:

        I do agree with you about some of the problems with gluten and enzymes, but wheat is only very marginally worse than any other source of carbs.

        If you cut out all snack foods like crisps and chocolate you’ll lose just as much weight as through cutting out bread.

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    • 46
      Mr Potato Head says:

      The main fact is that people are generally greedy, whether money-wise or food-wise.

      I have a lived on a diet that has kept me healthy for the last thirty years.

      I have a pint of water and an apple for breakfast, followed by a pint of water and a banana for lunch, then a pint of water and a raw cabbage in the evening.

      Of course you should take all this with a pinch of salt.

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  18. 32
    Self-important MP says:

    If truth be told if, if we had a third lobby, Mr Speaker would be forever pronouncing ” The Don’t Knows, have it, the …”

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    ding a ling, please move along nutter got nothing else to complain about says:

    I think fck off and get a life, what with global warming, floods, high temperatures, don’t smoke, don’t drink milk, booze, tea, coffee, don’t eat doughnuts, beef/hamburgers, regular runs , oh! beware heart attack, cycling oh! beware lorries turning, where’s your helmet haven’t these people got enough work to do, maybe they can help by sweeping the streets, oh! yes car exhausts, you cry wolf too many times and no bugger cares what you say anymore

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    • 39
      Health & Safety Industry says:

      We keep inventing yet more hazards to generate lots of lovely meaningless jobsworth jobs for ourselves — in reality we do no useful work at all — we’re parasites

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    • 154
      Village Idiot says:

      ……What about mental illness that requires legions of counsellors,on high wages ,and who periodically invent a new mental illness,or, change the name of existing mental illnesses to justify their existence….The old ,large mental hospitals were better than care in the community,yes,they had their faults,but that was due to the usual incompetence found in many of the proffessions!….At least there was a place to go or be taken,mainly for the safety of the population and the patient!…Also,there was expertise under one very large roof!….I speak from no experience at all of mental illness,just my opinion!

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  20. 37
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    O/T but relevant
    We have the Jury system to try reach the truth. If you want to get to a predetermined result you have a government set up inquiry – like Hutton and Hillsborough and Lawrence and ….. and chilcot (sorry better not mention that as it seems to have gone wrong)

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  21. 38
    Self-important Owen Jones says:

    Benefits Street? More like Criminal Street!
    POLICE yesterday revealed a catalogue of crimes they have had to tackle on TV’s Benefits Street.

    Like

  22. 45
    F. Craddock (Mrs) says:

    Given that there is apparently absolutely nothing to eat or drink or smoke or snort or inject or daub on, that isn’t in some way deleterious to health, we might all just as well starve ourselves to death or “Drink the Kool-Aid” and have done with it.

    The Australians have a word for these killjoys and doom-laden Jeremiahs, and it is “WOWSERS”.

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  23. 52
    David Cameron says:

    Boris is an absolute hoot !

    Boris cuts funds to life-saving fire stations & invests in water cannons… to douse protestor’s who oppose his cuts to life-saving services.

    Like

    • 58
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      Money better spent!

      Like

    • 76
      JH3094-0234-032 says:

      Yeah right – I am concerned about fire station cuts so I will riot and go and steal some trainers, iPhones, Beats headphones and a wide screen telly, then set a family business on fire and cheer about it.

      Mate, we are talking about the sort of people who pelt fire engines and crew with stones when they turn up to deal with arson.

      Like

    • 156
      Jack Ketch says:

      Research carried out in South Africa, Brazil and some French cities has shown that water cannon are extremely effective. Once you give the bastards a wash, the Alsatians and Dobermans are far more willing to go in.

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  24. 54

    Scientists have found a firm link between food and dying.

    * 100% of people eat food.
    * 100% of people die.

    Therefore we must stop eating food in order to live longer.

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  25. 56
    Hypocritical left watch says:

    Abbots twitter

    If the #duggan jury believe that he did not have a gun in his hand when he was shot, how can they find it was a lawful killing? #baffled

    Newsnight same evening when having a go at plod

    ” it’s not for MPs to question the outcome of a jury”

    Almost as sending her kid across town to a private school while decrying them in public and denying such access to others

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    • 80
      She's one of the reasons I switched from Labour to UKIP says:

      I would have thought the answer to her question was obvious: he was known to be in possession of a gun, the police had reason to believe he was armed and dangerous.

      And why get worked up? He was scum, on his way to deliver a gun to someone.

      Abbot should be ashamed of herself, she constantly brings Labour into disrepute.

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      • 95
        Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

        Liebore=Gangster Party.

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      • 153
        Fink bout tit, yeah? says:

        It is not possible to bring that which has no reputation worth noting into disrepute.

        Perhaps you meant that she was a fat, black-agitating, over-promoted, talentless, hypocritical spaz instead?

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    • 86
      The law of the badlands brought to you by the LibLabCons says:

      Ten jurors made a decision with the information they had before them, it’s lawful, if others decide that it’s the wrong decision then let them take it to a higher authority, no problem, if they take the law into own hands then they will get what they deserve.

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  26. 59
    Nick Clegg says:

    Ming, Sarah Teather, Alan Beith, Malcolm Bruce and now Don Foster standing down next year. Wonder which other Lib Dem MPs will be off?…………..Not me !

    Like

  27. 61
    Jaquetta Dromey says:

    One lump or two?

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  28. 66
    Fuck the EU says:

    Horse is the new Beef.

    Like

  29. 75
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    If the Duggan family want the truth from the police, then shouldn’t the Duggan family be truthful to the public.
    Let’s hear the truth about Mark Duggan from the BBC and Sky.
    Lammy, Abbott and Ummuna should also state publicly if they accept the jury verdict.

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    • 91
      JH3094-0234-032 says:

      Maybe if the Duggan family did not produce a steady stream of bling bling wannabe ‘Fittys their lives would not be quite so complicated.

      I wonder how many times they marched against the scourge of black-on-black gun and knife violence that blights our major cities?

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      • 118
        Anonymous says:

        , the man who lived by the gun: Arms draped around two violent gangsters but who his family insist was a peacemaker
        The 29-year-old was one of the most violent gangsters in Europe – and linked to ten shootings and two murders was repeatedly arrested over a raft of serious crimes, including murder, attempted murder and a range of firearms offences
        Duggan was also a senior member of The Star Gang, an off-shoot of TMD

        Daily mail

        So not many then

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        • 166
          Cinna says:

          It’s always the case in matters like this. Family, friends and neighbours will state “he was such a lovely, quiet boy”. Despite all the evidence to the contrary.

          Like

      • 121
        Anonymous says:

        See the mail today for what the jury heard

        Modbot keeps blocking the link

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        • 138
          Casual Observer 5 says:

          Good article.

          Is someone going to arrest Dave though, as:

          ‘Cameron committed the murder in October 2007 – six months after being freed early from prison. The man to Duggan’s left is Darrell Albert, who was in the same car as Cameron that night.’

          Nice.

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  30. 77

    Looks like it’s don’t eat or drink anything at all. Because there are killer food and drinks out there waiting to stuffed down our gullets and they will eventually cause us to expire. So stop now and expire quicker. Leave more for us greedy buggers who are waiting to go later. S’game innit?

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  31. 78
    Football Chants says:

    He eats what he wants;
    He eats what he wants;
    Big, fat Guido;
    He eats what he wants.

    Like

  32. 79
    Demi John says:

    Making sugar illicit or taxing it, is intertwined with the super taxing of alcohol in that it will make home brewing very difficult.

    Like

  33. 83
    Alan Sugar says:

    Try to ban me you lefty fuckwits, if you dare.

    You’re all fired!

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  34. 90
    Not whiter than white Dee Benny st says:

    Revealed: The truth about ‘White Dee’ of Channel 4’s Benefits Street… she stole cash from the poor to fund her lover’s crack habit

    White Dee stole £13,000 while working as admin assistant at local authority
    After she was rumbled she claimed money used to fund partner’s crack use
    Spared jail, she received suspended sentence and community service

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536208/Truth-White-Dee-Channel-4s-Benefits-Street-stole-cash-poor-fund-lovers-crack-habit.html#ixzz2ptZRVIQY

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  35. 93
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    The Guardian and Mail are so sweet.

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  36. 94
    Dave has a hunch says:

    We have a prime minister who admitted in Parliament yesterday that his entire energy policy and a significant part of his taxation is built on a feeling that man made global warming exists and is catastrophic.

    So what chance does the lowly HONEY bee have now?

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  37. 102
    Ric Holden CCHQ says:

    Guido,IPSA have published the latest batch of MPs’ expenses !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  38. 106
    Gay Dave says:

    Fellatio is the new Bumming.

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  39. 108
    Marianne Faithful says:

    I love Mars Bars!

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  40. 109
    Only saying says:

    Despite this, his mother Pamela, 55, maintains he was a ‘lovely young boy’ who tried to keep the peace

    Mark Duggan, the man who lived by the gun: Arms draped around two violent gangsters, the thug whose death sparked riots – but who his family insist was a peacemaker
    The 29-year-old was one of the most violent gangsters in Europe – and linked to ten shootings and two murders
    Mark Duggan was repeatedly arrested over a raft of serious crimes, including murder, attempted murder and a range of firearms offences
    Duggan was also a senior member of The Star Gang, an off-shoot of TMD

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536197/Mark-Duggan-Arms-draped-two-violent-gangsters-thug-death-sparked-riots.html#ixzz2ptc1IhZv

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  41. 110
    Only saying says:

    Despite this, his mother Pamela, 55, maintains he was a ‘lovely young boy’ who tried to keep peace.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536197/Mark-Duggan-Arms-draped-two-violent-gangsters-thug-death-sparked-riots.html#ixzz2ptcPY2HQ
    Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

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  42. 111
    Let there be light. says:

    I’ve thrown out the mercury rich energy saving bulbs and put back in the old tungsten filament bulbs that were sitting in the kitchen drawer.

    It seemed right to put in the energy saving ones as just about every month the postie would deliver a box of them from the power company or the supermarkets were selling them at 3 for 10p. Plus the EU said the tungsten ones were illegal.

    But of late I’d noticed that the pound shops were selling the old bulbs again.

    Anyway what a result. Instant bright light at the flick of a switch. There must be a generation coming through with ruined eyesight as a result of that daft EU diktat.

    I’d also thought it out from the scientific point too using the principles of Conservation of Energy and of course when that is applied it is immediately apparent that energy saving bulbs do not save energy at all, they can’t, it is impossible. They use less energy to produce their dim light but that is not the same.

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    • 117
      FTFoff says:

      Good idea. Next thibg is to buy triple light fittings to hold 3×40 Watt bulbs to replace the single 100 W one you had

      Like

      • 134
        Casual Observer 5 says:

        LED bulbs could be worth a gander, when price comes down.

        Like

        • 159
          The future says:

          Indeed. I have a 12 watt one and it is brighter than a 60 watt spotlight bulb. It cost £17.99 but it will last forever, unlike the spotlight bulbs which sometimes burned out after only a few months.

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        • 183
          Photoshop Fail says:

          Absolutely.

          You don’t get people to change their habits by forcing them to buy something they don’t want, you make something better.

          When the light quality from LEDs matches halogen (the phosphors used to produce ‘white’ light from the blue LED don’t always provide a full spectrum), then I’ll be changing the lot. We are almost there.

          Until then…50W halogens, I’m afraid. The CFLs I have are absolutely awful.

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          • Non taxable pikey says:

            SMD LEDs direct from China where the majority are made anyway. A lot less than uk prices too.

            Like

  43. 115
    Incapable Vince, deputy Chief Cockroach says:

    I have been sleeping rough recently.

    Like

    • 136
      Spartacus says:

      trying to make the case for higher salary??

      Like

      • 184
        BRODERICK CRAWFORD says:

        ACTUALLY THE SHOES ARE UNIQUE IN THAT ONE APPEARS TO BE A TOP DOLLAR TOP DOLLAR CHURCH S BROGUE AND TBE OTHER A TEN QUID SHOE ZONE SLIP ON . PERHAPS THAT WILL SPAWN A WHOLE NEW FASHION — DIFFERENT QUALITY SHOES.

        ALSO HIS RED BOX APPEARS TO HAVE TURNED —BLACK
        (AND IT S OPEN –SECURITY BREACH !!)

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  44. 122
    Axe The Telly Tax & Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    The nanny state, Daily Fail & Grauniad can go fuck themselves.

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  45. 125
    Thou Shalt NOT says:

    So, if I read this right.

    Stripping off to my bathers on a sunny day and wading in the salty sea while licking a toffee flavoured ice cream will result in a slow and painful death and make me such a burden on the NHS that I will feel that life is not worth living anyway.

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    • 162
      Jack Ketch says:

      Hasn’t done Penny Morduant any harm.

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      • 188
        BRODERICK CRAWFORD says:

        YES 125 THAT Is INDEED TRUE ACCORDING TO OUR NANNIES .

        IN FACT THEY RECCOMEND YOU BOOK YOUR TICKET TO ZURICH AND FETCH UP AT THE CARITAS END OF LIFE CLINIC THERE TOOT “SWEET”

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  46. 132
    Sums up what is wrong with the EU says:

    The Prime Minister insisted it was wrong that the British taxpayer is giving cash to 40,000 children who live elsewhere in the European Union.
    He added: ‘There are other European countries who like me think it’s wrong that someone from Poland who comes here, who works hard – and I am absolutely all in favour of that – but I don’t think we should be paying child benefit to their family back at home in Poland.’

    But the remarks triggered an angry response from Poland’s foreign minister Radoslaw Sikorski accused Mr Cameron of ‘stigmatising’ Poles by singling out the nation’s migrant workers in comments about his proposals to reform EU welfare rules.
    Mr Sikorski said: ‘If Britain gets our taxpayers, shouldn’t it also pay their benefits?

    Why should Polish taxpayers subsidise British taxpayers’ children?’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536414/Cameron-destroying-future-British-people-populist-warnings-immigration-invasion-Eurocrat-warns.html#ixzz2ptgmRIMO
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    • 181
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      If the cowardly piece of scum believes it to be wrong , then he as the Prime Minister of the
      UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN and N. IRELAND, First lord of the Treasury , Member of the PRIVY COUNCIL , elected member of Parliament , is in a position to do something about it surely .

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  47. 135
    Spartacus says:

    not another nanny knows best

    smoking – spawn of the devil
    drinking – drain on society
    tea – the deadly leaves

    now sugar?

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    • 191
      BRODERICK CRAWFORD says:

      YOU FORGOT CAFFEINE SPART

      AT LEAST T IN YOUR DAY YOU DID NOT LIVE LONG ENOUGHT TO ATTTRACT
      SUCH LIFESTYLE AILMENTS AS YOU WERE JUST TORN LIMB FROM LIMB IN A PUBLIC ARENA BY RABID STARVING CARNIVORES .

      OH HOlD ON …. COME IN PYONGYANG ….

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  48. 140
    Andy Burnham, NHS murderer, policy idea for Labour says:

    Ban Frosties.

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  49. 142
    Marianne Faithful says:

    Vaz now jumping on the sugar bandwagon,can we have a campaign to get rid of Vaz.

    Like

  50. 168
    Nemesis says:

    The Sugar Industry is so powerful that is the reason why this is only just coming out. It’s not fat that makes you fat but SUGAR! It’s so fucking obvious to all except those with closed minds and those who are mentally deficient – oh and of course those politicians who get lots of money from the sugar industry.

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    • 171
      HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

      The sugar industry is powerful what the hell are you on about ? in all my years i’ve never encountered the Waffen Zuckerindustrie forcing boiled sweets and mars bars down the throats of oppressed downtrodden victims , they are supplying a demand , not making it!

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      • 180
        Nemesis says:

        Idiot! Of course they are creating a demand. I haven”t the time or inclination to explain just how the sugar industry works but you’ll find many books on the subject. Try Amazon they have a good supply – I’m taking it as granted that you can actually read and assimilate text of an educational nature?

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        • 187
          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          Another one with a persecution complex , mars bars and sweeties are not compulsory they are a CHOICE , I do not need any explanation to see that .
          Unfortunately there are those amongst us who will find a conspiracy lurking behind every rock and bush ,it’s only sugar get over it !

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        • 211
          HEARDITALLSEENITALLBEFORE says:

          You seem to be the one suffering mental feebleness, living in wimpish fear of every edict issued by the health fascists.

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  51. 176
    Johnny Hindsight says:

    The new tobacco? Hmm. Does that mean I might suffer from passive obesity because I live next door to a sweet shop & my sister loves Mars bars?

    Like

    • 182
      BRODERICK CRAWFORD says:

      ONLY IF THE MARS BARS ARE DEEP FRIED AND CONSUMED IN TANDEM WITH DEEP BATTERED PIZZAS , ARBROATH SMOKIES AND CHIP BUTTIES SIMULTANEOUSLY . IN WHICH CASE THE ODOURS WAFTING IN FROM YOUR NEIGHBOURS KITCHEN WILL POSSIBLY GIVE YOU PASSIVE SCHIZOFRENIA.

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  52. 185
    Jack the Ripper says:

    There is no obesity problem. It’s a scam to tax food.

    Like

  53. 193
    Anonymous says:

    I think a few Commupaths do want to ban everything, but the rest of us are just a bit shocked how much of the stuff goes into just about everything. Nobody really minds quadruple-sized Heart Attack bars being on sale, but does a Cornish Pasty really need 5g of sugar to make it appetising? When I have to choose between 25 different brands of bread that are full of sugar, give up and end up making my own at rather high opportunity cost, is that really freedom to choose. OK, here’s what I want. Plain food at non-premium prices that has a minimum of preservatives and not a lot else. What, nothing at all? A bit difficult for us evil Righties to defend capitalism, then, when it’s not even performing its most basic function …

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    • 217
      By the way says:

      Is it really true that most of the posts here are using facts and seem concern about the issue being debated in a reasoned manor? Then again, a few non-party issues might not be such a bad thing.

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  54. 208
  55. 216
    Len Tills-Forever says:

    The ‘we know better than you’ nannies are taking the following path, step by gradual step:
    1) cigarettes
    2) alcohol
    3) fast food
    4) sugar
    5) red meat
    6) other meat
    7) anything else they think you might enjoy

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