December 5th, 2013

IDS Responds to Balls Jibe


  1. 1
    Mitch says:

    He said: “IDS in deep Sh…ambles”

    Was about his best joke.

  2. 2
    lescrompsblogg says:

    And that’s the fuck he gives

  3. 3
    Arnold Golightly says:

    Why the hell should he? If people are living in houses that are too big for them and I’m paying for it then jog on.

  4. 4
    Churchill says:

    Who’s that nodding dog behind him?

  5. 5
    Kiss My Big Hairy Swingers says:

    Seconded, Arnold.

  6. 6
    Georgie Osborne's Blue and White Army says:

    IDS is not in a shambles.

    It is the claimants who are in the shambles as they are going to have to face the real world now

  7. 7
    Georgie Osborne's Blue and White Army says:

    Bailiffs are going to be busy in 2014.

  8. 8
    Matt Kelly says:

    Ha ha ha.

  9. 9
    Breaking...11 Billion Pounds For the EU from Osborne says:

    Brillo has just revealed that hidden in Osborne’s statement is an extra 11 Billion pounds to be sent to “EU Institutions”

  10. 10
    Malcolm Muggeridge says:

    If marriage is per se a marvellous institution why should it be incentivised through the tax system ?

  11. 11
    Tom Daley says:

    Chase me!

  12. 12
    Screwed Taxpayer says:

    Never mind this pathetic idiot.

    What about the £890m. outstanding student debt sold to a debt management company for only £160m. ?

    If the company makes any sort of normal commercial effort it will easily double if not treble its outlay.


  13. 13
    Deluded says:

    If marriage is a marvellous institution why should it be incentivised through the tax system ?

  14. 14
    Me.... says:

    Did the BBC move the cameras off before Ed Ballsup actually exploded? I feared for his health (& sanity). Have you EVER seen anyone that red in the bloody face?

  15. 15
    Georgie Osborne's blue and white army says:

    Marriage is a noble end in itself and is fully deserving of recognition in the tax system.

    Remember too our intention is “spending less on welfare”;

    When we stop Child Benefit in its entirety married people will like to have a little sweetener in their tax coding.

  16. 16
    Dead and Burried says:

    FFS some thick Welsh politician reckons that the early death rate in his area means that State pension age should not rise.

    Yes he is correct they are dying early now But this is legacy from previous industry (industry like Labour backed mining) and by 2030 when the rise happens this legacy will no longer exist.

  17. 17
    dai full of shit says:

    its for the farmers

  18. 18
    One Term Dave says:

    I say Bumsex marriage needs all the incentives we can afford through the tax system, as does our £12Bn for the Indian space program to Mars old bean.

    Toodle pip!

  19. 19
    It won't hurt says:

    When did the married man’s tax allowance get stopped? It was very popular.

  20. 20
    Explanation Please? says:

  21. 21
    Eccles says:

    Perhaps we can nationalize it back?

  22. 22
    The Real World says:

    You are all going to have to face me. The silver lining in the cloud you call ‘too much benefits’ was that the scum never needed to form hunting packs. They lived in their own houses with enough bennies to keep them idle. Now they are all going to be forced to live together. If you think they will all form legitimate job search crews then you are about to be given a harsh lesson in human nature.

  23. 23
    Georgie Osborne's Blue and White Army says:

    It was our Maggie who closed down the mines.

  24. 24
    The Gay Mafia says:


  25. 25
    i think says:

    Squeaker kept interrupting to give Balls chance to
    catch his breath and lower his blood pressure.

  26. 26
    Psyche the Dog says:

    lt’s normal for IDS, he was a real wow as a Tory leader

  27. 27
    you're wrong says:

    No it was Scargill.

  28. 28
    Banned says:

    Thirded Arnold

  29. 29
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    £12 Billion in foreign aid another £11 Billion to the EU, this country is in debt up to it’s eye balls and wont even begin paying that debt off till 2018-2019.


  30. 30
    Fishy says:

    BBC bod has chosen to read an e-mail saying that people are not fit to work, retain their health to be able to work to 70.

    It follows, doesn’t it? that as longevity increases, people by definition healthier and fitter for longer.

    I reckon that I am around 10 years younger than my Dad was, at the same age.

    Remember that ads from the 1960’s, ‘Philosan fortifies the over Forties’ – people would laugh at that notion now.

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  32. 32
    Hannibal from Carthage says:

    You have a hope in hell of recovering that money.

    Most of it is owed by the brightest graduates most of whom are working and surfing in places like Sydney and San Francisco.

    You will not be seeing them back in the UK.

  33. 33

    Surely the bumsexers should get a bigger marriage allowance than ordinary hetero marriages, to acknowledge their bravery in coming out in support of Dave?

  34. 34
    Pink Mafiosi says:

    We just love the smile on your cheeks when you’re diving Tom. You’ve got a gorgeous little wink.

  35. 35
    Anonymous says:

    Wilson and Liebour closed more mines than Thatcher.

  36. 36
    WelshOriginal says:

    Actually, Callaghan and Wilson closed more mines than Thatcher. Check it out.

  37. 37
    Note to Jimmy says:

    • There was NO double-dip recession!

  38. 38
    BBC says:


  39. 39
    John Bellingham says:

    The world’s first comprehensive old age pension scheme was introduced in Germany by Bismark in 1889. The qualification age was 70. The first UK system was introduced in 1908 under the Liberals and the qualification age was also 70 and the recipients had to be British subjects and have resided in Britain for 20 years before pensionable age was reached. Lunatics and convicts were excluded for ten years after their release.
    The reason for the entry age of 70 was that, at the time, 90% of people would have died. The male life expectancy was 50 and thus the non-contributory scheme was affordable.

  40. 40
    Dirty Chancing says:

  41. 41
    Steve Miliband says:

    So what is labours economic policy?Did I miss it?

  42. 42
    A reporter from the Daily Planet says:

    Sources tell me that Edward Balls may well be gone this side of Xmas.

    The smarmy young Scot and Miillitwit are not happy bunnies

    Remember you heard it here first.

  43. 43
    Market Forces says:

    I closed the mines.

  44. 44
    Wonger & Co., Specialist Debt Extractors says:

    Do they want their current “ethical” employers to know that they are debtors? If that doesn’t work, we’ll send the boys round.

  45. 45
    Pam Fritter says:

    I’m going to have to claim jobseekers allowance till I’m 70?
    For fucks sake.

  46. 46
    Jimmy Hill says:

    Old miners are still living and breeding into their eighties now.

    That is the challenge facing us.

  47. 47
    Blank piece of paper says:


  48. 48
    Fuck the LibLabCon says:

    BBC Labour shills frothing at the month a bit.

  49. 49
    BarryW says:

    Under the Minister Tony Benn [aka Anthony Wedgewood-Benn 2nd Viscount]
    who also proclaimed that he would make electricity too cheap to meter

  50. 50
    The BBC says:

    Balls dominated Osborne in his reply to the autumn statement. Balls is the finest shadow chancellor the country has ever seen.

  51. 51
    Evans the coal says:

    Even if a lot of the mines opened up again does anyone think the locals would go down them? Suspect that they would be sending out search parties for Poles and Ukrainians.

  52. 52
    Thick as 2 shorts says:

    I know I am probably being dense. but is this like me owing £20,000 pounds to someone and then I give someone else £20,000 for nothing?

    Please help me understand.

  53. 53
    Nigel Farage doppelganger says:

    send link please

  54. 54
    Three score years and ten says:

    Life expectancy could in fact go down as a result of obesity and the sedentary lifestyles kids have these days.
    Also if they don’t discover any new antibiotics soon premature death will return to 19th century levels.

  55. 55
    JoePublic says:

    …..and long mat he remain shadow chancellor.

  56. 56
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Balls must realise just how bad he was today. I would compare Balls today to Gordon Brown’s realisation that he was the most useless PM ever. If labour stick with Balls what will it say about Miliband.

  57. 57
    Psyche the Dog says:

    If everything is rented including the house flat etc the bailiffs are going to have big problems as are all those companies who hire to the public, most owned or controlled by Tory backers, the increase in homeless families maybe they will become “travellers” to add the Iorish and Roma in this country, daft as it sounds not everyone can afford to become bankrupt.

  58. 58
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Moddy Botty is alive and well, just testing

  59. 59
    Spongeballs SquareEd says:

    Labours previous economic policy copied from America.

  60. 60
    Arse from Elbow says:

    Or for enduring the pain of bumsex.

  61. 61
    Ed Ballzzz says:

    Cost of living crisis, cost of living crisis, cost of living crisis, cost of……….

  62. 62
    Psyche the Dog says:

    An Eddy Balls look alike

  63. 63
    Jimmy Hill says:

    Workhouses are the future.

    Cheap clean and user friendly with kids getting a square Jamie Oliver styled meal each day.

  64. 64
    Nigel Farage doppelganger says:

    Vote UKIP thats all you need to know, i will do the rest;-)

  65. 65
    John Bellingham says:

    IF Maggie closed the pits in the eighties (I know she didn’t but lets keep to the myth) and the average age of a miner in 1985 was 43, their average age now would be 71. So it seems odd that so many men in their 20s and 30s pop up on TV whinging about pit closures. Those “old miners” are probably still alive because they were saved from pneumoconiosis by cutting their coal-dust breathing careers short by twenty years.

  66. 66

    When did Gordon Brown realise that he was the most useless PM ever?

    I’m surprised if I missed such an admission from him. Had he done so, we would not be paying him to sit in the HoC when he does not even do that. In addition, had he truly realised the enormity of his abject uselessness, nay gross and wilful harm, one would at least have expected to have read about a glass of whisky and a smoking revolver.

  67. 67
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    You forgot Andy Burnham’s new buzz word….CHAOS…. Expect other labour dummies to follow suit.

  68. 68
    Jimmy Hill says:

    Cammie out

    Ossie in

    Cammie out

    Ossie in


  69. 69
    Tom Daley -- the Beeb's new favourite little gay -- (sorry Owen you're so yesterday) says:

    It didn’t hurt that much, with the injections and extra KY

  70. 70
    Gandhi's revenge says:

    Give em all a good strong curry, it will remind them all what the arse was meant for.

  71. 71
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Brown has said that he is no longer an MP. Realisation doesn’t have to be by personal admission, it is a general consensus.

  72. 72
    John Bellingham says:

    Remember that jobseekers doubles to $129 per fortnight after the age of 60 yrs and 6 months, slightly higher than the State pension.

  73. 73
    John Bellingham says:

    Remember that life expectancy figures are skewed by improvements in child mortality. Fewer kids today die before their fifth birthday than at anytime in history. They only take up the Old Holborn roll-ups, the cider and the Pizzas after their fifth birthday.

  74. 74
    Psyche the Dog says:

    What Georgie does not say is that the the rebate will only be at the standard rate of income tax.

  75. 75
    Lance Corporal Bill Bloggs (retired) says:

    You have had a 20% sterling currency devaluation, you have got an extra 1.4 million people in employment and have taken the scalpel to State spending.

    Yet the growth is truly anaemic and national debt is not reducing.

    What is the matter with you people?

  76. 76
    i don't n eed no doctor says:

    Crisis this, crisis that, labour’s mantra. Today the country has seen labour’s crisis in the form of Ed Balls.

  77. 77
    Axe The Telly Tax &Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    That he hasn’t the Balls to sack him :-)

  78. 78
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Or not increasing the population in an over crowded country, the education would be lower, one draw back is that there would not be a pool of unemployed to fill the armed forces with squaddies and cannon fodder to Cams would have to fight his own wars.

  79. 79
    George says:

    You question me?
    Know your place you pleb.

  80. 80
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Where’s 8illy?

  81. 81
    Axe The Telly Tax &Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    We haven’t even taken even a scalpel to State spending let alone a chainsaw.

  82. 82
    Axe The Telly Tax &Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    SUN headline “Miliband To Have Balls Out By Christmas” :-)

  83. 83
    Maximus says:

    i.e. the subsidy farmers

  84. 84
    cheche says:


    Can I be the first to say climate change

  85. 85
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Dave & Georgie have not thought of that one out, plus those who may not get a job that pays enough and they will never pay off, I think a student loan is the only debt you cannot write off if you go bankrupt, accountant types might like to check that one out.

  86. 86

    Completely agree that it is a general consensus but Brown clearly thinks he was still a financial genius who saved the world, so on that I cannot agree with you. Where has there been any expression of contrition or remorse from him? Absolutely none.

    If we do not thoroughly hold Labour to account for their persistent wrecking of our economy every single time they have ever been in office, from their very formation, then we will only deserve to see them holding the reins of power again.

  87. 87
    Brillo says:


  88. 88
    Wait - what! says:

    Agreed, cuts in state spending should not be measured by the volume of the left/BBC/Guardian but by how much tax has actually reduced.

  89. 89
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Because Fawksey, Dave & Gideon say so

  90. 90
    retardEd Miliband says:

    The chaoth cauthed by the cotht of living cwithith.

  91. 91
    Psyche the Dog says:

    The reason Ed has a red face is because he has been banging his head listening to Gideon and co

  92. 92
    retardEd Miliband says:

    Thith thtorm is cauthed by the Tory-led government’th cutth and ith contwibuting to the cotht of living cwithith.

    Oh yeth.

  93. 93
    nellnewman. says:

    ‘chaos’ is a very appropriate word for burnham to keep spouting, given the deadly chaos he brought to the nhs on his watch. I hope bullyballs stays as shadow chancellor and burnham as shadow health minister until 2015 election – I can’t think of any better reasons not to vote labour!

  94. 94
    Small Business says:

    There are a number of firms who owe me money saying that their cash flow is being buggered up by the government not paying them on time or according to their contracts. I would love to see them sending the bailliffs into Whitehall and confiscating a few desks

  95. 95
    Psyche the Dog says:

    It was both of them, they needed each other, both had to win, like 2 dogs each pulling on a stich at opposite ends, neither giving in, Maggie wanting to win an election, and Scargill wanting political power.

  96. 96
    retardEd Miliband says:

    The latht Labour government did abtholutely nothing wrong. It wath a time of pwothpewity, happineth and gwothe, and all wath wight with the world. Today, of courth, we have the cotht of living cwithith, which wath cauthed by Thatcher before the latht Labour government, and the pwrethent Tory-led government of heartleth thcoundwelth.

    Do not attempt to thmear uth again.

  97. 97
    Ed Milibiscuit says:

  98. 98
    London says:

    Agreed. Public Sector spending continues to bloat and bloat and bloat

  99. 99
    No wonder Tom Daley wants to have his babies says:

    Magisterial – as always.

  100. 100

    * Since we were talking about Brown and
    * Since it is generally accepted that Brown is a сunt, then

    It can be readily understood by all how smears go with the territory in his case.

  101. 101
    The Meedja says:

    So that’s official then

  102. 102
    Commie McCluskey, leader of the Labour Party and owner of Ed Miliband, says:

    “I can’t think of any better reasons not to vote labour!”

    I can.

  103. 103
    Fishy says:

    If life expectancy reduces so will the pensions age in line with the new formula

  104. 104
    yes ukip can says:

    No wonder there is a cost of living problem.

  105. 105
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Unfortunately a mine cannot be just opened at the click of a switch, once the shafts have collased and the roadways below have collasped, it would cost millions of pounds to sink a new shaft and drive new roadways to coalseams, plus all that machinery left down there would have to be avoided. “Wet” pits would have to be pumped out, There are few miners and mining engineers left from the old mining days, the list is endless.

  106. 106
    yes ukip can says:

    Ask all the foreign countries that have it.

  107. 107
    Psyche the Dog says:

    Check it out Geedes, I have never worked down a pit but I used to listen to some of the old miners and mining engineers, I live in an ex mining area and there are is very little indication that a lot of mines ever existed, most of the industries that relied on coal and coal products (tar production, benzines etc) have gone much cleaner now.

  108. 108
    Too Far says:

    Bit windy here in Sussex, no sign of a storm. maybe climate change hasn’t reached us yet!!

  109. 109
    Ed Miliband says:

    Under Labour, we will ban smears under the NHS.

  110. 110
    Paniagua V5 says:

    Rug – Feet – Pull …

  111. 111
    Psyche the Dog says:

    That is to keep them off the unemployed register

  112. 112
    81lly Kebæb says:

    LAST !

  113. 113
    81lly Kebæb says:

    LAST !

  114. 114
    aka says:

    Your second paragraph deserves to be distributed free to every home in the land, embroidered into framed samplers, taught as economic catechism.

  115. 115
    Psyche the Dog says:

    “Kiss My Big Hairy Swingers” how revolting, we might catch something

  116. 116
    Axe The Telly Tax &Religion & Kill All Eco-loons says:

    OMG it’s cold & windy in December!

    Let’s pile more taxes on petrol,electricity and gas just like the Yanks and Chinese aren’t doing…err…

  117. 117
    (Not so)Dangerous Brian says:

    And then oop the chimneys with the little b*ggers.

  118. 118
    (Not so)Dangerous Brian says:

    Another deluded thicko corrupted into believing he can have it all while some predatory old queen gets his jollies.
    I wonder what the wedding ceremony will be like?

  119. 119

    You are very kind but I must admit to having been inspired by Gustave Courbet’s L’Origine du monde of 1886.

    To pursue further your own great idea, one could validly state that all of life starts here.

  120. 120
    Displaced Brummie says:

    IDS did a good Balls impersonation, there!

  121. 121
    Blowing Willies says:

    Bum sex can cause wind especially in Brighton. Shit storms then tend to follow through afterwards.

  122. 122
    The EU is a massive fraud against the people of Europe says:

    20% of the entire EU budget has been designated for ‘green’ spending initiatives over the coming decade.

    In other words pure waste and wealth transfer, to the corporations milking the global warming scam.

  123. 123
    The Real World says:

    Please keep deluding yourself that the class of scum beneath you will suddenly know it’s place. Keep deluding yourself that the police will do anything to protect you from them. Keep deluding yourself that you have nothing in common with them and everything in common with the upperclasses. You are a thousand good choices away from the classes you aspire to be part of but only one or two bad choices away from the scum you mock.

  124. 124
    Hoots! It's Clown says:

    The weather forecast was correct!

    There’s been a hell of a p0rn-surge at my house! ;)

  125. 125
    Sick of the greed and lies(still) says:

    Has Gordon said if he is standing again in 2015? Several of the MP’s that are standing down have disclosed this information but I can’t remember seeing it about Gordon.

  126. 126
    bergen says:

    Bismark used 65 as retirement age. It appears that he was told that German life expectancy was 66 and he ruled that the typical German should have a year in retirement to wind up his affairs.

  127. 127
    albacore says:

    Fawkes, pretty please, quit legitimising these guys
    As if it mattered which one told the bigger lies
    Any promise from any LibLabCon spare part
    Is a come-on from a shagged-out old E U tart

  128. 128
    Will says:

    lets start a petition to keep him the sight of him making a slashing motion across his neck will be worth at least 10 seats to the opposition in the next election.

  129. 129
    Will says:

    most public spending is spent on the elderly via pension and the NHS and other social services. This is because many of them have earned it and paid into the system.

    try looking it up.

  130. 130
    broderick crawford says:



  131. 131
    Fishy says:

    The appalling Chris Leslie on Brillo’s show refused to confirm that pensions wouldn’t be excluded from a future benefit’s cap.

    This seems to suggest that Labour has it’s eyes on private sector pensions again in that if you’ve paid for your workplace pension and it is in payment, under Labour, if that turns out to be above the £££ cap you will not get an OAP even if you have made all of your NI contributions.

    Leslie wriggled and wriggled on this, no doubt it is in Red Ed’s mind to equalise the money that most retired people get, irrespective of whether they have worked for it or have sat on their arses all of their life.

  132. 132
    Throw another peasant on the fire says:

    We’ve gone back the same climate as 1953? I thought that’s what we wanted?

  133. 133
    Dave -- your Pink Prime Minister says:

    I’m going to give the “bride” away — and get on prime time telly.

  134. 134
    The sooner the Scots, Welsh, Parkies, Polecats etc all fuck off the better says:

    With a bit of luck the Scots will have fucked off — so his constituency won’t exist any more — along with those of all the other Scottish Liebour wankers.

  135. 135
    broderick crawford says:




  136. 136
    Benefiteer says:

    Too right — vote liebour — you know it makes sense.

    P.S. Or vote for that cnut Camoron if you like — there’s no real difference.

  137. 137
    broderick crawford says:




  138. 138
    IDS What a Great Leader! says:

    And you can get him for just £53 a week!

  139. 139
    Dry cleaning Bill says:

    Bogeyman shoulders swipe

  140. 140
    comp kid says:

    I bet you’re a posh twat like Harman,Cooper and Hunt, who feels guilty about the educational benefits and privileges afforded to you.
    Those who shout loudest about class and wealth always are.

  141. 141
    Selohesra says:

    Unlucky – but you were close

  142. 142
    Rob says:

    What’s this “paid into the system” nonsense? Everything you mention is paid for out of current taxation. There is no element of getting out what you pay in.

    It is a massive Ponzi scheme. When the money runs out, your ‘investment’ will have disappeared because it never actually existed.

  143. 143
    Kiss My Big Hairy Swingers says:

    You should be so lucky!

  144. 144
    D-thick Smith says:

    A very expensive PUG.

  145. 145
    The Real World says:

    Nope I’m a right wing diehard like the rest of you. I just happen to know a lot of the scum that you wrongly assume will just know thier place when SHTF. Notice how I call them scum. I’m not being ironic. They are scum. And they are going to form packs and they are going to come for us. But I don’t know everything so maybe I am wrong. Maybe they will just accept a life of no prospects or luxury. Maybe they will start doffing thier caps to you as they shine your shoes. Here’s hoping.

  146. 146
    Rev. Flowers says:

    That Daley lad is a bit old for me.

  147. 147
    Jesus says:

    Did you not read the “parable of the three talents”?

    I really haven’t got much time for people who don’t make anything of themselves. Give you the most complex mechanism in the universe and you spend your time watching afternoon telly.

  148. 148
    Jesus says:

    One million dead from HIV/AIDS, that’s all I’m sayin’

  149. 149
    FFS says:

    Most of it is owed by girls that only went to uni for the parties and spent their time missing lectures on “the history of modern dance” before taking up jobs on the counter in Next dreaming of wedding dresses.

  150. 150
    FFS says:

    To make up for the fact that when you get divorced your ex-wife who is on officially a “low-income” can claim child tax credits and various other bennies.

  151. 151
    FFS says:

    It was neither of them. Statistics show that the decline in coal production in the UK was more or less on a straight line after WWII, regardless of government in power.

    Scargill was fighting a war he could only lose and a lot of miners lost out on a years salary for nowt, as well as being left high and dry by subsequent governments that have considered them a bit of an embarrasment.

  152. 152
    FFS says:

    Nope. Most of the people that actually paid net into the system have private pensions and private health-care.

    The state is funded by the top 10% of earners and the rest put in less than they take out.

    You look it up.

  153. 153
    Psyche the Dog says:

    £53 p.w. far too much you can have him

  154. 154
    Psyche the Dog says:

    You could try a CCJ against them after first sending a final demand notice, they probably settle their own bills to those who are daft enough to give them credit, remember the the fiasco of the unpaid wine bill, they have form

  155. 155
    Psyche the Dog says:

    If you earn enough and wealthy enough the ex will take you to the cleaners, especially if kids are involved.

  156. 156
    Psyche the Dog says:

    FFS it always seemed a little daft to go on strike at the time that they did, it seemed odd then and still does.

  157. 157
    Tatanya Taylor says:

    Would you prefer Iain Duncan’s Shambles, to Ed’s B@!!$ Up ?

  158. 158
    GeoffM says:

    A million dead from bumsex?

    You’d think they would learn by now.

  159. 159

    Labour will always seek to punish those who aren’t totally dependent on the state.

  160. 160
    Anonymous says:

    And the winner of the Most Useless Person Of The Last Ten Years goes to IDS. The runners up are William (let’s bomb Syria) Hague and Boris (on a wire) Johnson.

  161. 161
    Anonymous says:

    That said, it is the Tories/IDS that are out to punish the unemployed. For, as Mail Online reports, a Former soldier had his benefits cut after he volunteered to sell poppies. No Help For Heroes from the Nasty Party.

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Boris on British Jihadis. Apparently based on MI5 intel:

“If you look at all the psychological profiling about bombers, they typically will look at porn. They are literally w***ers. Severe onanists. They are tortured. They will be very badly adjusted in their relations with women, and that is a symptom of their feeling of being failures and that the world is against them. They are not making it with girls, and so they turn to other forms of spiritual comfort — which of course is no comfort.”

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