April 23rd, 2013

Polly’s Singapore Spin Unravels

Taking Polly Toynbee’s increasingly fact-free rants with a pinch of salt is generally good advice, but there is a difference between her standard spin and a complete falsehood. In a typical Gove-bashing piece for the Guardian today Polly asserts:

“Gove, calling for payment by results, cited Singapore’s high-achieving school system, “where expectations are higher”. What he didn’t say is that Singapore, like top performer Finland, is one of the most equal of developed nations. As his government drives up inequality, his schools face an ever tougher task compensating for the society they inhabit.”

Only Singapore isn’t one of the most equal developed nations. In fact, it is one of the most unequal. The country is currently dealing with one of the most severe income gaps in the world, indeed it has one of the highest Gini coefficients – the standard measure used to gauge inequality – of developed countries. But why let the facts get in the way of your see-through agenda, eh Polly?


122 Comments

  1. 1
    Polly Toynbee says:

    First

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    • 3
      V1le, vicious Labour ruined my Country says:

      Whenever did a downright lie ever get in the way of the Socialist agenda?

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      • 21
        Anonymous says:

        Ooved Sinapore when I worked there, company based me in th Orchard Hotel at the end of Orchard road, next door to , cough, Orchard Towers, with their cough!, four floors of whores. And I am proud to say Itook one of them back to my room, cost me a few sing dollars, but who cares, and remarkanly she was from Brunei pf all places, five foot nine like me, amd after “things” we had a good damned good chat. We interested each other. She stayed until morning for free, and I even took her down to breakfast, nimking at various corseages, and they winked back, no problem, free.

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        • 61
          Teddyfur says:

          What’s your point shorty?

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        • 107
          Ladies with extras says:

          Plenty of prossies there with extra ‘things’, you filthy brute

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          • Anonymous says:

            Well, you have got to try these things once, I say. And she definitely did not have a Thailand undercarriage, let me tell you that for nothing – she was a goddess, in all corners. mmmm, memories and blamonge mammories… they were just there, firm. Lips not bad either, all three sets.

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          • Anonymous says:

            …and she showed me her button lift, to see she was excited with me… :)

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          • Anonymous says:

            S’pose I should explain myself more – the fella outside Orchard Towers was nagging me for evenings, saying “Lady for the night, sir?”, So a couple of nights before I was due to leave Sing I relented, and said to him something like “OK, but no kiddies, I am no Jimmy Savile”, or words to that effect, and then came out this five foot nine 26 year old goddess from Brunei. I was gobsmacked. And we had a good time back in my 21st floor of the Orchard Hotel – we got on brilliantly – she showed me pics of her son, and I showed her pics of my daughter – we got on grand. Happy days.

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      • 30

        Singapore has a multi-ethnic, highly capitalist society based on rigid rule of law, laissez faire business rules (until you do something to embarass the Nation) and low taxation (maximum 20%).

        That is everything Tuscan Toynbee hates, but I bet she keeps her Trust investment there.

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          Anonymous says:

          They found me an ULTRA cheap flight to Brisbane to watch the Lions rugger in 2001 – hundred quid return, with Malaysian airlines, via Kuala Lumpur. SUCK ON THAT RYAN AIR. Briliant few days away in Brisbane it was – met this irish bloke there who had a townhouse on the coast there with his misses and hiddies, and we discussed things, and seems, AHEM!, he was there to get away from NI things, if you get me. And since I was welsh, he felt he could trust me and share his past “things”. Interesting it was. By the way, he was on the unionist side of things, so I told him about the various republicans that I net, and did we laugh, oh yes. Told him, us welsh are like a school teacher, dragging two kiddie lads apart. and trying to tell them to behave, but failing.

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          • Teddyfur says:

            So, you are welsh , short and talk bollocks. You are Neil Kinnock and I claim my £5.00 please.

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          • Anonymous says:

            as Dylan Thomas described himself, fine foot six, AND A HALF. But I am five foot nine exactly. But my younger brother is six foot three and a half, and built like a nightclub bouncer perhaps I will pass you on to him?

            Yes, ok, you can guess where the brains of the family are stored.

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          • CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

            Jeez, Toxic Taff, you don’t half post some absolute bollocks on this blog. What with your pointless video spamming and the shit you spout I bet you’re a wow at social gatherings.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Cynical old man – yes, I have been described as interesting, and also other words, depends what your star sign and humour lays, I suppose. But I love shoving the bollocks on, and seeing reactions – it amuses me, and some others no doubt. Now get back to bed, gruntie, will you?

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    • 6
      Polly Lie detector says:

      Perhaps Polly needs to take a Polly graph.

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    • 23
      lojolondon says:

      Good logic, though – which Liebour tried for many years – no need to raise school standards, if you tax the rich more, then people will be ‘more equal’ and then everyone will get great school results – any flaws with that?

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        Will.socialists.ever.stop.being.hypocrites says:

        Yes there is a lot wrong with it. If you tax the rich a lot more more they will indeed become poorer (as long as they stay in the country and don’t take their ‘investment’ money and jobs away with them). But all that happens as we have seen so many times in countries throughout the world is that everybody (apart from the ruling elite and their cronies) becomes poor. Like East Europe and the old USSR was. Is that what you really want?

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      • 80
        Realist says:

        Socialists never seem to realise that edjukayshun is about enabling the UK to compete with the world, not the bloke next door.

        How many millions of scientists, technologists, and mathematicians do China and India churn out every year between them? Enough to replace the entire population of the UK.

        If the UK can only produce fat little alchies with a gcse in meedya studies and a propensity for violence, we are fooked.

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        • 95
          uGOM says:

          Fucked we are then..

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        • 119
          White people don't vote Labour anymore says:

          I have to say that education in China and India is really shit. That’s why all the top brass send their kiddies over to independent schools in the UK. Most of the so-called “scientists” in China have the ability of a kwik-fit fitter.

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      • 96
        Fog says:

        lojo,
        socialism = everybody has nothing (except the socialist ruling elite)

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    • 42
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      Oh, good heavens, now you’ve gone and done it, you’ve made our Michael very cross, by singing your customary Polly Wolly Doodle all the day; a quick “I’m sorry” from you, and we’ll say no more about it, then, right?

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    • 106
      jdseanjd says:

      Amusing pisstake of Polly Toynbee: http://www.bogpaper.com & put Polly Toynbee in the search box.
      Enjoy.

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  2. 2
    Polly from her Villa in Umbridge says:

    I know what I meant to say, and that is all that matters

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      JH349834905934 says:

      See as Polly is so keen on state-enf0rced equality for all, I look forward to my free Umbrian villa.

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  3. 4
    Observer says:

    Polly seemingly spends all day trying to think up ways to slag off the Govt rather than trying to understand the issues and understand the motivations of those with whom she disagrees.

    It is not adult behaviour.

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    • 63
      Gerry Mandering says:

      Good point but I forecast that Gove will be in the s**t in a year or so’s time. The education model is similar to the NHS outsourcing fiasco e.g. getting paid not to carry out operations.

      Local authorities now have no say in how (efficiently) Academies are run. But if it goes tits-up, the LA has to carry the can for providing the education that has been paid for but not delivered.

      Not well thought through IMHO and a big financial downside coming along.

      Toynbee is a tit but she didn’t stand for election.

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      • 79
        Mike says:

        Private schools and still existing grammar schools do OK. The reality is that the nexus of cultural marxists in the teacher training establishments, D of E and teaching unions have done more to keep the vast majority of children out of the top Russel Group universities than any conservative. The fact that twice as many children at public schools take science and maths A levels and three times as many modern languages than those at comprehensives of which only 60% offer Further Maths A Level means there is little competition.

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        • 97
          uGOM says:

          That says it all..

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        • 108
          jdseanjd says:

          Dumb em down & show em the queue to the ovens, sorry hospitals.

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        • 111
          Last of the Maoist Trotskyites says:

          Each year, around a million children leave after 11 years of state education without having reached a reasonable standard of reading writing and arithmetic.
          From the teaching unions – Silence
          From the Educational elitist establishment – Silence
          From the Labour Party- Silence
          From the BBC – Silence
          And socialist millionaires like Poly fly from perch to perch screeching what her masters have taught them – 4 legs good 2 legs bad! All animals must be equal, but some animals are more equal than others aren’t they Poly?

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  4. 4
    ... says:

    Bum not first

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  5. 7
    P C Dixon says:

    Why do we worry about what the stupid lefty says.

    She should be in a home with whats left of the ever diminishing Guardian readers.

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  6. 8
    bergen says:

    She’s never let facts get in the way of the crap that she writes so far and I doubt if she’ll start now.

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  7. 9
    HuffPo says:

    Any side boob shots?

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  8. 10
    Polly says:

    Why ruin a good Newspaper story for the sake of accuracy?

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  9. 11
    Bazinga! says:

    I see the BBC have got old fatty Warsi on spouting more shit about ‘Englishness’ and now she’s wanking on about ‘Islamaphobia’

    Sure, tell the people who were blown to bits on 7/7 or Madrid or 9/11 about Islamaphobia.

    Seems to me that Muslims get an easy ride. Interesting Warsi makes no reference to the r@pe gangs roaming many northern towns.

    Once again the BBC use the word ‘Muslim’ when talking about them as perceived victims but when perpetrators they get called ‘men’ or ‘asian’

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  10. 12
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Toynbee is a prat. Everyone knows, including herself.

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    • 84
      Anonymous says:

      She writes crap in a newspaper ,says her piece on tv/radio stations & gets paid for that. You put a piece on this blog without any payment.
      Makes me wonder which of you is the bigger prat.

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  11. 13
    Anonymous says:

    True, but also worth a look at the recent statements of the great and good of Singapore government (very tightly controlled statements at that – Singapore Inc. speaks with one voice) regarding their concerns with the suitability of their education system for a modern economy.

    Everytime Young or Gove (who I massively support) come out and says “look at Singapore”, as somebody who lives here and has to recruit from and work with their young grads my heart sinks.

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    • 85
      Booby Trappist says:

      But Singapore also has compulsory national service with frequent refreshers after initial service.

      Something that might usefully be copied in the UK.

      Singapore is also one of the most expensive countries to visit, so 2 days is usually about enough.

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  12. 14
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    Posters of the dead Witch due to be shown Tube stations have been banned by London TFL

    Well done Boris

    errrrrr Singapore is NOT the UK

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    • 59
      Will.socialists.ever.stop.being.hypocrites says:

      Do they have good taste there?

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      • 86
        Booby Trappist says:

        Yes, they do, but most of them are of Chinese origin – so don’t trust the buggers further than you can throw the nearest elephant.

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  13. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t give this woman the oxygen of publicity, in fact deprive her of oxygen for the greater good.

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  14. 18
    Laurie Penny says:

    I’m being groomed to be the new Polly Toynbee.

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    • 40
      Owen Jones Minister for Militants says:

      The Labour party placed me with Polly to be my wet-nurse. I’ve finished sucking her teat and have now progressed onto the public teat. POWER TO THE SHIRKERS!

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    • 87
      Watford Gap says:

      Oh dear, those Asian ‘groomers’ have really started scraping the barrel.

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  15. 19
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    HSBC Cuts Over 1,100 British Jobs http://news.sky.com/story/1081869/hsbc-cuts-over-1100-british-jobs

    Hear! Hear!

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  16. 20
    Dave of Hersham says:

    Polly’s good entertainment, it gives you a glimpse of Leftist tribal loyalty.

    I rather enjoy her delusional pieces, but only in the sense that they’re like Pratchett or Tolkien, a load of fantasy nonsense.

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    • 26
      Raving Loon says:

      The problem with our liberal friends is not so much what they know, it’s what they know that isn’t so.

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  17. 22
    Raving Loon says:

    If you mentioned Gini to Toynbee the chances are she would ask for her 3 wishes!

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  18. 24
    Laurie Penny says:

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  19. 27
    The Only Socialist Imam in Umbria says:

    Polly-gini leads to an unequal distribution of Toynbees, none of whom anyone in their right minds would want to marry.

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  20. 28
    Prime Minister David Cameron says:

    I am delighted to announce that The Cabinet is now run in proud partnership with Tena Men – so discreet they look and feel like normal underwear.

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  21. 31
    Socialists doing what they do best...rewriting history and being selective with the truth says:

    The whole of Socialism in this country is based on hypocrisy and lies and shouting down anyone who disagrees with you

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  22. 32
    nellnewman says:

    THe gruadian is a loss making paper with a shrinking number of readers. Given that it employs pollytwaddle at huge expense – no surprise there then!

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  23. 34
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    Happy St George’s Day..Guido.

    You and your fellow micks have less than 12 hours left to endure !!!!

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  24. 35
    Polly toynbee says:

    There should be a compulsary licence fee for the Guardian like the BBC.

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  25. 36
    More power to Gove! says:

    More power to Gove!

    He’s got the lazy teachers with their giant holidays annoyed, the ranty unions are in a sulk and now Polly Toynbee is getting into such a spin the she can’t even be bothered to fact check!

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    • 72
      Will says:

      I say its a winner all round to Michael Gove, surprisingly I see that the real critics the parents have not disagreed with him.

      Its the parents whoa re important and the children not the unions

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  26. 37
    Peter Martin says:

    Lived and worked there for almost a decade.

    That was over a decade ago, so may have changed. I doubt it.

    Equality is not a word that springs to mind. There are many state sponsored services that are pretty nifty, but there are other factors and influences, often not one imagines those Ms. T would be citing so approvingly either, even if she was properly informed about them. The schools system does crank out the grades, but it can also be a mincer, and does not treat those who fail to measure up well. Interestingly, that seems to see the numbers dragging themselves up end up quite high. The decades-long and trusted mechanism of holding back those seeking to work hard and excel to match the pace of the less talented or able or energetic has of course worked so well in the UK.

    She seems to serve only as a rating-rant lightning rod, and a pretty effective one too, given where her pearls of wisdom see her invited from her berth at the Graun.

    One awaits Newsnight and Today’s ‘guest’ ‘expert’ slot with weary inevitability as we are educated and informed the ‘correct’ way if not one that is accurate.

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    • 89
      Singapore Sling says:

      Still working well – apart from the odd glitch on the metro! Have you seen that fab Marina Sands hotel. Nice but not cheap.

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  27. 38
    young Shep says:

    Some countries are more equal (whatever that means) than others Polly,
    and
    Some pretend socialists are more equal than others.

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  28. 39
    Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn says:

    A fact is whatever the left say it is. Think of Polly as a kind of supreme Roman Emperor, or a God maybe. Let there be light, and there was light. Let all poor people be racist, and it came to pass. Let all rich capitalists be evil, except me and friends, and so it was. Let private education be wrong, except for me and everyone I work with, and their children, and it came to pass.

    Hypocrisy is our currency, and fuck me we’re rich!!

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    • 41
      (I don't need no doctor) says:

      What is the difference between a rich capitalist and a rich socialist?

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      • 50
        young Shep says:

        The first one calls himself Tony Blair and the second one calls himself Ed Miliband.

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      • 60
        Maq­boul says:

        One feels guilty enough to get others to give their money to the poor so that he doesn’t feel so bad hanging on to his own.

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      • 76
        Sir Anthony Wedgewood Benn says:

        A rich socialist feels sanctimonious misplaced guilt for their extreme wealth. It then makes them contract the mental illness of socialism. I’ve had it for years and can’t seem to get rid of it – even though I’m a dynastic aristocrat and represent everything I seem to oppose.

        I right wing capitalist is pleased with his success and feels no remorse. Kind of like the current labour front bench!!

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        • 99
          Self Importance(lab) says:

          And i am so interesting that i tape everything,so future generations can listen
          and learn from my wise words…..

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    • 44
      young Shep says:

      It’s not true, they never wanted to be rich in material things, it doesn’t make them happy but they console themselves with the fact that they can be miserable in (considerable) comfort.

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  29. 45
    Polly the puffer says:

    How dare you doubt my facts, I am guardian and we lefties cannot be argued with, I’m learning from Owen the mouth.

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  30. 46
    Polly toynbee says:

    Anyone who disagrees with me is a racist.

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  31. 48
    Owen Jones says:

    Comrade Toynbee is a modern day shakespeare.

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  32. 49
    John Tandy says:

    Spot on who could believe a word she writes ?

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  33. 51
    Peter Tatchell says:

    hello sailor coming my waY?

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    • 58
      Hugh Jend says:

      Would that be with a blood orange in your mouth and a tescos carrier bag over your head, ducky?

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  34. 52
    Dan Hodges says:

    The coalition beat even its own impressive record for multiple U-turns today, when it backtracked on two policies before lunchtime.

    Plans to strip the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s general duty to protect human rights and promote equality have been discarded, as has the government’s opposition to outlawing caste discrimination.

    Ministers were defeated on both policies last night during a Lords debate on the enterprise and regulatory reform bill, in which 17 Liberal Democrats and one Tory contributed to a majority of 30 against the government.

    The coalition had argued that the EHRC’s general human rights commitment was unnecessary and that its other legal duties satisfied its role, but the Lords vote appears to have forced the government to back down. Equalities minister Jo Swinson told shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna they had dropped the plans this morning.

    The end of government opposition on caste discrimination will also be welcomed by campaigners, who had protested parliament at the lack of movement on the issue last week.

    Surely the Conservative led coalition can do better than that !!!

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  35. 54
    Tosspot says:

    Is it not interesting that the DM hero ” Andy Cap” is a work shy lay about, living off benefits and a wife who works….. now where have I seen that one before….

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  36. 56
    All Lefty's must die says:

    I’ve got a rope and a lampost with Polly Toynbee’s name on.

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  37. 57
    Wafflewatch says:

    A recent Radio 4 phone-in: The BBC’s economics editor Stephanie Flanders and an expert panel including Andrew Dilnott, Chair of the UK Statistics Authority, Janet Henry, Chief European Economist at HSBCIB and Peter Antonioni, co-author of ‘Economics for Dummies’.

    Haven’t heard so much ignorant waffle in decades. If these are the so-called experts no wonder the country is in financial sh*t.

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  38. 62
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    Singapore

    Total sh*1t hole, with tiny parts reserved as a play ground for the mega rich.

    ALL of the well educated , end up as bean counters on 74 floor of some smoke choked building in the middle of Singapore. Live in a shoe boxes ( quite literally ), pitiful lives. All the others end up London, as bean counters anyway.

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  39. 68
    Bolshevik Broadcasting Corpse says:

    The problem is quality.

    Up to the 60’s at least, the brightest and best women went into teaching and nursing (female dominated jobs) — since they were discouraged from other jobs.

    Now, it’s only the very mediocre — at best — who have gone into teaching or nursing since the 70’s or so. (Thanks, feministas!)

    So we have crap, lazy teachers and nurses.

    Making the kids go to school 9-5 makes every single bit of economic sense, but until we can kick out the crap teachers (i.e. most of them), it’s really not going to solve the problem.

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    • 71
      Will says:

      hopefully the academy schools will in the long term improve education, I suspect that parents will vote with their feet and the schools will be over subscribed. That is why the teaching unions are worried, because if it works then the best teachers will go to these schools.

      Polly does not understand that in London some schools are good but the having to send your child to a crappy school is not a good life choice.

      Even Dianne Abbott knows how bad some schools are as she sent hers to public School. When a labour MP does not think that state schools are good enough for her child what signal does that send out.

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    • 83
      Mike says:

      Good point . Post WW1 and WW2 many had served in battle and had officer rank and came from a middle to upper middle class background. Many nurses had fathers, brothers, husbands and friends serve as officers in war. Nurses had the experience of washing patients and cleaning wards but many were the social equals of doctors. Consequently they were not to posh to wash but had the confidence to address doctors as social equals. A sister or matron who had held the rank of captain or major; been in hospital caring for those wounded in battle and was married to an officer in an elite unit would probably not put up with bolshy juniors and upstart managers.

      A nurse who has self respect and self worth based upon proven experience would not worry about thinking washing a patient was beneath them : an insecure nurse would. People who have earned respect based upon proven experience does not care what other people think , those who have not proved themselves and as a result have not earned respect , crave for it.

      There used to be a time when those who had proved themselves carried themselves lightly:they were modest because they knew there were others who had endured and achieved much more than themselves. The problem nowadays is that the less someone has achieved , the more noise they make.

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  40. 70
    Will says:

    Polly visited a school in Liverpool. I wonder why she did not visit a school nearer ome in Clapham or Stockwell. What shocked me about schools today is that they are like prisons. You have high fences, ID cards required to get into them, also loads of CCTV.

    It shows you how much rather than being open most of our schools these days in London are closed with endless security. Polly did not mention how much our schools in London are looking like colditz rather than a place of learning.

    A day in Liverpool I bet most of the pupils had been told to behave so she got an unrepresentative view, I bet if she spent a week in a schools near Clapham near the stockwell park estate, then she might actually have a better understanding of how difficault it is to get good teachers and keep them.

    It is easy to blame Michael Gove, but I think he is for a long time an education minister who wants to improve the system, not see it as a stepping stone like the last labour government used it with the education minister changing nearly every 2 years with the last one being ed balls

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    • 94
      Curly says:

      Polly probably disapproves of basic discipline in schools and until such is re-introduced (with stiff and appropriate, enforceable sanctions on miscreants) the position is unlikely to improve.

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      damned impertinent questions says:

      “I wonder why she did not visit a school nearer ome in Clapham or Stockwell.”

      No expenses in that old boy

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  41. 78
    Proppa Gandists says:

    Polly, the BBC, the Guardian

    making shit up so you don’t have to

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  42. 93
    cku@btinternet.com says:

    Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2

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  43. 100
    Postal Votes are Labour Loo Paper says:

    Usual pollybollocks

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  44. 101
    damned impertinent questions says:

    It’s ‘er ‘ormones innit

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    Dr Beeching's Axe says:

    There is a blog devoted to fact checking Polly’s errors, which include error number 10:

    10. Polly implies that 142% of people are dissatisfied with Tony Blair [insert own joke].

    See Factchecking pollyanna

    http://factcheckingpollyanna.blogspot.co.uk/

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    Great list. Now I’ll probably spend the next 2 hours bouncing around these blogs.

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    Shipwreck says:

    Goddam! what an ugly looking Woman she is,why does she have to keep popping up on our screens[courtesy of the BBC pricks] every time.
    Her and Shirley Williams are a shoe in for the Ugly Sisters Panto.
    Get in the Bloody Kitchen Woman and do some real work!and use plenty vanishing cream!

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    davidgotti says:

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