April 2nd, 2013

Labour Advocate Tax Avoidance

Nottingham’s Labour council have found an especially underhand way of getting council tenants out of paying the bedroom tax: encouraging tenants to redefine two-bedroom flats as having one-bedroom. If Labour are standing by their line that the spare room subsidy is a tax, then surely using a loophole in the rules to get out of paying it is tax avoidance? Either they admit they are lying to voters, or they admit they are advocating tax avoidance. What’s it going to be?


  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    This is pathetic Guido

  2. 2
    Mitch says:

    Why? The inconsistency has been created by Labour calling it a “tax”, when it’s no such thing.

  3. 3
    ed says:

    And Guido becomes an extension of CCHQ

  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    Whatever it is called it is extremely unjust

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    P l e b says:

    Bollocks. We all know it isn’t a real tax.
    ‘Bedroom Tax’ is a label to emphasise how vindictive it is.

    Just like the Poll Tax was really ‘Community Charge’

  6. 6
    David Cameron says:

    Release the Pickles!

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    Aneurin Bevan says:

    Not as unjust as being overcrowded.

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    Bollocks to the above Annonymong says:

    No it is Not pathetic.

    I have two very small upstairs rooms that have never been used as bedrooms. When I phone the council about this they always say they are classed as bedrooms and my council tax will be levied on this (their) decree.

    So why should the council tell me a council tax payer one thing and their council tax claimants another?

    What is more they would prosecute me for evading council tax if I lied about the number of upstairs rooms.

    I am fucking fed up with the lefties trying to screw ordinary law abiding hard working people.

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    UKIP or bust says:

    Isn’t it the other way around: ‘bedroom tax’ is used by the shirkers and commie’s to hide how fair it is on those who work and pay their own way?

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    Onegreatjohnny says:

    If tax avoidance is good enough for the goose … … …

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    Tax-dodger Margaret Hodge says:

    Let me be clear. Tax dodging is wrong. It is always wrong. There are never ever any circumstances when tax dodging is acceptable.

    Except when I do it, or it’s otherwise encourage by the Labour Party.

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    Stuff all Socialists says:

    So why are you calling it a Tax Guido?

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    Surely Eric Pickles much vaunted “localism” in action……..

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    Slawtenbergius says:

    Now, the estate agents were showing the daughter this new build “one-and-a-half bedroom” flat …

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    Rodger The Lodger says:

    Thats tax evasion, not avoidance

  16. 16
    ancient Shep says:

    The fat one wakes!

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    Ifuckinghatethelotofthem says:

    Don’t be old, don’t be sick, don’t be poor, because a LibDem will hold you down whilst a Tory will hobnail boot you in the teeth and bare-faced tell you it is only fair

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    Tax-dodger Margaret Hodge says:

    Correct, comrade. People may only express views that align with the principles of the Progressive Labour Party (whatever those principles happen to be at any given point in time). No other opinion may be expressed, ever.

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    Hairy Belvoir Lettings says:

    If you have a 2 bedroom flat, you are allowed to term one as a dining room if you have it furnished as such.

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    Comunity Charge? No way do Lefties ant to actually pay for their community, itsa free ride says:

    The government should never have backed down on the community charge, that was Mrs T’s biggest mistake (except the Wets gave her no choice).

    Funny how Labour always bang on about community services yet thgeir voters NEVER want to pay for them.

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    Tax-dodger Margaret Hodge says:

    Whereas we merely increased the poorest workers’ income tax by 100 percent, whilst running a healthcare system that was systematically slaughtering tens of thousands of working class patients.

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    ancient Shep says:

    About time they gave an honest description of the living accommodation.

  23. 23
    Lee Sherriff says:

    Great! I’m now going to appeal against my Council Tax band (Labour council) by changing 2 spare bedrooms into studies which makes my property worth less and in a lower band.

    Thanks Labour!

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    Wyle Cop says:

    If Labour are so upset about this ‘tax’, why don’t you just ask them if they have a policy commitment to repeal the ‘tax’ for all HB claimants from 2015?

    In fact, why doesn’t the MSM ask them?

    Answers on a postcard, please…

  25. 25
    The Lefty Council says:

    No Sir you can not do that.

    Only those swinging the lead and vote Labour are allowed to reclassify bedrooms as studies.

  26. 26
    Anonymous says:

    “What’s it going to be?”

    Recognising the reality that one-bedroom accommodation is in very short supply.

    Blame the tories who decide what will be built.

  27. 27
    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    The best I ever saw was a “sewing room”.

  28. 28
    Admiral Ackbar says:

    1. Change one in to a study a la Grant shapps/Michael Green.

    2. As for the other one, fill it with newspapers, old clothes and assorted filth and say you have a hoarding problem/ilness!


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    Resident of 96.99% white Merseyside says:

    My spare bedroom is a study cum store room cum smoking room.

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    The Road to Nowhere says:

    LOL I see Osborne is going to make the road to Wales a Toll road. Can’t imagine many would want to pay to see a sheep or a slag heap.

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    Anonymous says:

    They used to be called box rooms. In a house that has children sharing, the room must be capable of taking 2 beds.

    Also some small rooms have area that is a corridor. Especially in houses that are old and the rooms are created by division of the original room. Imagine an L shape.

    This policy has not be thought through. But that is exactly what we have come to expect from these shallow politicians. Good intentions do not make good policies.

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    Screwed taxpayer says:

    Not as unjust as the making the taxpayers pay £ billions and £billions to the many benefit scroungers who are not genuinely in need, but are so fucking lazy that thousands of unskilled immigrants have to do the work that they ought to be doing.

  33. 33
    P l e b says:

    More devastating than a North Korean nuke.

  34. 34
    Raging Biggles says:

    Politicians admit they lie. I know who my bank manager is. Jesus is my imaginary friend. I will get a job in the BBC. Patten will be a national asset.

  35. 35
    Raging Biggles says:

    Troll road?

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    Lefties hate ordinary people says:

    Doesn’t work Admiral. The fact that they are not used as bedrooms is not accepted by the council, they are upstairs so they must be bedrooms and the house is taxed accordingly. You will find Shapps’ study is still a bedroom as far as council tax banding.

    So why are councils telling benefit tenants one thing and council tax payers another?

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    P l e b says:

    Ed is keeping his powder dry, just watching this clusterfuck of a government self destruct.

  38. 38

    Mrs. T’s biggest mistake was espousing AGW. That Global scam has cost the UK untold billions and an estimated 30,000 unnecessary deaths this Winter alone.

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    P l e b says:

    Any reasonable person would agree with the principle of moving small families to smaller accommodation. It is the vindictiveness of it, knowing that there isn’t the accommodation to go to that makes this so unacceptable.

    There is a huge campaign to clog the system up with hundreds of thousands of appeals – I for one wish them well.

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    Smell the glove says:

    Interesting that Burnhams grandma, had her ring stolen from her finger just over 10 years ago, as told to the Fabians, and his mum told him if you get to be an M.P. you will have to do something about this kind of thing.Did she not know he had been an M.P. since 2001 or more likely he is re-writing history again. He does look quite like Pinnoccio !

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    Daft Taff says:

    Don’t talk about my wife and her sister like that, boyo.

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    nellnewman says:

    Labour make me laugh – they believe benefit cuts are a tax, so showing themselves to be completely economically illiterate, and then want us to vote for them so that they can take charge of our finances!

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    I think you will find that to be classed as bedrooms the rooms must be over a certain floor area. It may be worth you while to check on this if you haven’t already done so.

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    The BBC are cunts says:

    You mustn’t of course, claim that you have no telly when you clearly do. That would be avoiding the Telly Tax Licence Fee and we wouldn’t want anyone to miss the Liebour agitprop we pump out at the viewers.

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    Mercian says:

    Wouldn’t it be tax evasion, not avoidance?

  46. 46
    P l e b says:

    “systematically slaughtering tens of thousands of working class patients.”

    There are many millions of people for whom the NHS has been very successful. As a cancer survivor, I know this only too well.

    I’m also in my company’s BUPA scheme. BUPA didn’t want to know.

    Reflect on that please.

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    I can't afford the bus fare to work says:

    If what you are sayng is true Mr Fawkes well we are not dealing with a simple case of tax avoidance.

    What we are dealing with is a criminal attempt to obtain taxpayer funds by falsely describing two bedroomed flats as one bedroomed so that less rent is charged in the first place. This is obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception .

    I did think about phoning the Nottingham Constabulary myself but I have no documents to back up your claims .

    I am sure we can look to you to do the right thing now.

  48. 48
    Anonymous says:

    Not as unjust as making couples pay more tax and receive less benefits if they get married in order to give their children a stable home. The Church of England should make signing the registry optional so that heterosexuals can get married in the eyes of God and their friends and relatives but not of HMRC, DWP and all the other state busybodies.

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    Lost in Clacton says:

    Off with their heads !

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    P l e b says:

    Quite true. If Frank Field thinks it’s wrong then it bloody well is.

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    Londoner says:

    Be honest for once it’s your wanking room, wanker.

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    Jess The Dog says:

    It is a tax. 90% of recipients will be unable to avoid it as there isn’t a supply of smaller social housing properties… most council houses have 3 bedrooms as they are decades old and built when families were larger. The idea is superficially popular (I can understand why) but it is based on fantasy and will cost more than it saves… councils are recruiting advice officers and families will probably shift to private rental properties which cost more.

    Now, when is Dunkers going to demonstrate his £53 a week skills, or has he forgotten to say ‘April Fool’?

  53. 53
    Anonymous says:

    errr, council tax is not levied based on the number of bedrooms your property has – so whether the “small rooms” are called bedrooms or not makes no difference

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    Wurzel says:

    Why does everyone assume that those that get help with their rent is an unemployed waster? – There are many hard workers in low paid jobs that got a little part payment to help with their rent that will now have it taken away. Help with rent is for ALL on low incomes, not just the unemployed or feckless. I am also fed up with the assumption that everybody that rents in the private sector works hard and pays FULL rent. The rent rebate applies equally to the low paid in the private renting sector. What IS unfair and discriminatory to the point of being illegal, is the fact that the new changes DO NOT apply to those renting in the private sector, they continue with the same level of assistance.

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    nellnewman says:

    We need for the elected members or officers of the council who are giving this advice to be identified.

    I feel sure there is something in the Local Government Act that states that members or officers who illegally cost the ratepayers money by their actions not only can they be prosecuted but they personally can be made to repay the ratepayers the whole sum, whatever that is, from their own accounts.

  56. 56
    Moussa Koussa Mark 8 says:

    Guido is a tax Avoider… Nuff said

  57. 57
    Anonymous says:

    What’s the latest on the spare house subsidy for rich people? Any news?

  58. 58
    Lee Sherriff says:

    If it is a tax then show us where it is on the HMRC website please.

    Otherwise stop talking shite.

  59. 59
    Loopy Lou says:

    Have you the definitive list of all those Local Government Officers who invested Council tax money in Icelandic Banks ?

  60. 60
    V1le, vicious Labour ruined my Country says:

    Yes, tax dodging is only legitimate when Labour cockroaches are in power.

  61. 61
    nellnewman says:

    As emerged on the last thread, the chap, david bennet, who made this stupid claim on the biasedbeeb no less, has been proved to be a fraud.

    His £53 a week is only part of his income – he also gets housing benefit and other welfare payouts. His £53 a week is just to feed himself – except by his own admission he spends most of it on booze and gambling.

    And if anybody believes his claim that he has worked 50/70 hours a week for the past 14 months and only earned £2700 they’re utterly gullible.

    Seems to me HMRC need to be examining his market trading income – just to make sure that none of it is that great stalwart of markets – cash in hand and then into pocket – never to become a figure in an accounts book.

  62. 62
    Ex-Labour voter says:


    Every time Ed Balls calls it a “bedroom tax”, he’s either trying to mislead people, or he really is so thick as to think it’s a tax. Either way, the idea that he could end up as Chancellor of the Exchequer is truly frightening.

    Note to Labour: George Osborne is very very stupid and represents an open goal. Do NOT counter him with someone who’s even more stupid.

  63. 63
    nellnewman says:

    From what I remember about that – gordon brown’s government wrote to all local councils demanding that they invest their money in the icelandic banks because of the superior interest rates.

    So presumably if anyone is to be forced to repay the monies that were lost by local councils and hence their ratepayers it should by rights be gordon brown and his inept ministers.

  64. 64
    Wurzel says:

    Last I heard, it was no mansion tax and a 5p tax break this week that averages £40,000 a year for the rich. A world away from the latest ConDem idea of freezing or CUTTING the minimum wage, which makes “Helping those that work hard” a load of old bollocks!

  65. 65
    Tax-Dodger Margaret Hodge says:

    Tax avoiders should be shot.

    Unless they’re me.

    Or Chuka Umunna.

    Or any other multimillionaire Labour MP who’s a tax dodger.

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    Curly says:

    As a point of interest can someone tell us how low wages must be before being able to qualify for assistance when renting in the private sector? What is the cut-off point for qualification? Thanks

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    Socialism is a severe mental illness says:

    Tax cuts aren’t ‘subsidies’, retard.

    And I wouldn’t mind betting ‘the rich’ contribute an awful lot more to society than the average Labour-voting parasitic subhuman.

  68. 68
    Con Artists says:

    Those bleed’en Labour Socialist thickos just don’t get it…. complaining about benefit “cuts” and “bedroom” tax’s…

    If we didn’t have 500,000 legal immigrants each year + xxx,000 illegal immigrants arriving each year, maybe we could afford a bit of under occupancy and allow “granny and grandad” to stay in their 3 bed council house that they’ve lived in for the last 20 years.. where they brough up Wayne and Tracy and annoyed the neighbours with their Spanish holidays and 5 BMW’s parked outside whilst they were all on benefits.. maybe that dream could have continued for the “poor”.. but not anymore.. (pssst wake up labour voters…)

    As it is, we need to move Granny and Grandad out to make way for continued colonisation of the UK by benefit tourists and economic migrants from the whole of Eastern Europe, the Middle East and North Africa.

    We are also now getting a wave of economic migrants from southern Europe, all entitled to housing benefit in Westminister or Notting Hill or whatever Borough they decide they want to live in, and all paid for by the ever diminishing number of UK tax payers (BBC employees are exempt as 70% of them are on “offshore” personal service “self employed” contracts and so pay minimal tax..)

    Do Labour supporters not realise their country is being given away from underneath them, they are being sold down the river and their wages are racing to the bottom from increased compeition, both legal and illegal !!

    Their jobs are being done at less than minimum wage by legal and illegal Eastern Europeans who claim benefits and work cash in hand. You reap what you sow, and the working classes have fcuked themselves with immigration… (pssst – wake up labour voters..)

    Maybe when Granny and Grandads flat is taken away, or Grandad can’t afford to watch Sky and go to the pub 5 nights a week, then… they might, just might, start to smell the own brand instant coffee..

  69. 69

    Ed hasn’t got any powder to keep dry while his cluster-fuck of a party stay firmly on the wrong side of public opinion.

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    Mairead Philpott says:

    Set fire to your kids if you need more space. Simple.

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    Wyle Cop says:

    True – and it’s the job of the MSM to see what he’s made of.

    Funny how the likes of that Pooftah Jock, or that Pooftah Davis, or Peter Woods’ Love Child can get exercised about things like a 30-year-old story about the Mayor of London but not about Labour’s policies today.

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    Correction 4 Anonymong says:

    Err the council tax banding was based on the rateable value and the rateable value was based on the number of bedrooms. Thus the number of bedrooms has everything to do with council tax payable.

  73. 73
    Mairead Philpott says:

    Vote Labour and I’ll shag u.

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    Penfold says:

    Treading in very dangerous waters.
    Councillors have stautory duties which precede political machinations.

    This could end in tears……………….and jail.

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    Anonymous says:

    I was part of a 3 man rescue team that secured the safe release of a NHS patient. The patient had called the family emergency line, and reported sightings of acts that disgusted her. The patient was an ex-nurse and knew what should actually occur in hospitals. Her account was frightening but with the lack of supervision and isolation she was able to get the message out.

    Even through the subject was badly injured, the occupation by our team, and extraction by car, was successful and the patient made a full recovery in a more safe environment. Not one of us has ventured back into that territory again.

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    Achilles says:


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    Anonymous says:

    What pub!

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    Loopy Lou says:

    Guido has done nothing wrong but the Prime Minister wants to name and shame him for staying the right side of the laws he himself has framed.

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    Con Artists says:

    “What pub”

    Agreed.. 5 pubs in Sheperds Bush have closed in the last 5 years including 2 within 300 yards of Shepherds Bush market.

    Why is this ?

    Do the local residents of Shepherds Bush or the market workers no longer enjoy a drink at their local pub anymore.

    Anecdotally, the local area seems busier than ever, as if more and more people are being crameed into backrooms and bedrooms. This is backed up by official ONS statistics as well.

    169,000 – 2001 census
    182,493 – 2011 census (7.7% increase)

    Answers on a postcard to the soon to be defunct UK Borders Agency.

  81. 81
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    Do you like shooting messengers ?

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    Abdel from Tooting says:

    Perhaps there should be a public inquiry over all this .

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    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    I am extremely busy at the moment, as one of the hardest working MP’s in Parliament, negotiating with many of my young female constituents, to help them try and avoid this pernicious bedroom tax. I am confident that if my negotiations are successful they will have no need to pay it, as the spare bedroom will soon be occupied by a new arrival. This is, as I have always said and demonstrated, what being a good MP is all about. Boaz.

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    Con Artists says:

    Correction 4 Anonymong – you are wrong, council tax is based on the value of the property @ 1 April 1991.

    “How your home is banded
    In this section, we explain how properties are valued for council Tax. You can find information about the bands for England and Wales, the basis of valuation and the assumptions that we must make when valuing your property.

    The starting point
    The basis of valuation for a dwelling which is not used for any business purpose is the amount which, subject to certain assumptions, it would have sold for, on the ‘open market’ by a ‘willing vendor’ on 1 April 1991 in England and 1 April 2003 in Wales.

    Because we must ensure a common approach to valuing all domestic properties for council tax, we must make a number of standard assumptions about your property.

    The main assumptions that we must make when deciding the price a dwelling would have sold for on 1 April 1991 in England, 1 April 2003 in Wales, are as follows:

    •that the sale was with vacant possession;
    •that the interest sold was freehold except for flats when a lease for 99 years at a nominal rent has to be assumed (The actual lease term is ignored);
    •that the dwelling had no potential for any building work or other development requiring planning permission;
    •that the size, layout, and character of the dwelling as well as its locality must be considered as they actually existed at 1 April 1993 (2003 in Wales) or, depending on the circumstances, a later date;
    •that the dwelling (and any common parts such as an entrance or hallway shared with other dwellings) was in a ‘state of reasonable repair’.


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    Con Artists says:

    What happened to Margarets “legal advice” she was getting….

    Guido pls let us know how she is doing….

  86. 86
    Con Artists says:

    Ask Dame Shirley Porter, I think she knows how the rules work.

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    The Boy Plunger says:

    If you just cut all the crap and said simply you wanted say 30 per cent of everything i made I could live with that if I wasn’t swamped with incentives and discounts to do this that and the other .

    If you were to say you wanted over 50 per cent then I would simply fuck off somewhere else .

    It is all the deceptions falsehoods and half-truths that piss me off .

    They is no need to threaten me with jail.

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    The Boy Plunger says:

    If the minimum wage is the bees knees leading to ever increasing living standards then why not just double it every year ?

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    Simon Gothard says:

    Ahh more hypocrisy from the Left. Tax avoidance is morally wrong and a terrible thing. Unless we advocate it.

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    Ziggy says:

    No thanks you crusty pikey, I’ll bet 2 weeks Giro your fanny looks and smells like a Rottweiler eating a kebab and would be like dipping into a clowns pocket.

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    Jimmy says:

    What a devastating argument. You should pass it on to Ms. Stockheath.

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    Con Artists says:

    If you don’t earn enough to pay the rent for your flat, why don’t you move to a cheaper flat in a cheaper area…. instead of getting me to pay for your flat.

    I don’t mean that in a horrible way, I’m deadly serious ?

    I don’t rent a bigger house in a better area because “I’d like it”, I just rent the one I can addord in the crappy area I don’t like.

    Why is there even housing benefit for those who work ?
    Shouldnt we be talking about removing it rather than allowing people to rent homes that are too big for them.

    Alternatively you do have choices..

    1) you could cut spending on schools to pay for your bigger flat
    2) you could cut spending on hospitals to pay for your biggger flat
    3) you could cut the £10bn we spend on the EU, and leave the EU, and spend that on your bigger flat.
    4) We could stop illegal immigrants and economic migrants coming to this country to claim benefits, and spend that money on your bigger flat (as a by product wages might rise enabling you to pay your own rent without housing benefit support)

    Please let me know which one you’d like to do – I’d love to understand…

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    Petronella Fazackerley says:

    Better still just email this entire thread to the Daily Mail

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    Long john Silver's parrot says:

    I have just been reading section 1 of the Fraud Act 2006

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    Mrs W Morris says:

    Will the road be lined with green trees and flowers with gold braided curbstones ?

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    Wurzel says:

    What is all the ‘Flat’ bollocks, you seem like a townie to me. My council would not know what a flat is out here in the sticks.
    Secondly, I am in a two bedroom bungalow where until I lost my wife 8 weeks ago, I spent the last 17 years without a days break as a round the clock carer. A two bed property was needed as the main room was cluttered with a hospital bed, hoist etc. This ‘Work’ returned £53 per week carers allowance which not only saved the country a fortune, was not even half the council rent half. The pension credit I am now on is exactly the same sum as the council rent for my property, so if I was you, I would get of your fucking high-horse, or at least think yourself far enough away not to be knocked off it.

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    Wurzel says:

    Cont… You conveniently swerve scrapping the tax break for the rich, continueing to give full rent rebate to rich private sector landlords, or finding someone with enough balls to pull us from the European folly in your choices.

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    Admiral Akbar says:

    I wanted to put a tenner on IDS being the first Conservative to be violently assaulted in the street in 2013 but Bet Fred said they don’t take those sorts of bets?

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    Viv says:

    Labour were actually suggesting that the elderly be taxed out of their homes in order to ‘free up’ housing not so many months ago!

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    Con Artists says:


    I am sorry for your loss and was not aware. Given your circumstances, which are understood now, its clear my post does not apply to you – pls accept my apologies.

    I have not read the new rules in great detail but I think that registered disabled people are exempt from the “bedroom tax” ?
    So you would probably not have faced any reduction in housing benefit.
    I agree with this exemption and area of support for people.

    But I would be interested to know your thoughts on the debate in general:-

    1) People who recieve council flats/houses or housing benefit, and who do not beneifit from “exemptions”, do you think those people should move to a cheaper and or smaller property as a matter of principle ?

    2) Or, would you prefer taxpayers continued to subsidise under occupancy and housing benefits by cutting some of the other items I mentioned in my previous post ? What other expenditure would you cut ?

    3) Do you think its possible, if we didn’t have 500,000 legal immirants and xxx,000 illegal immigrants coming to this country each and every year, all of whom have a right to be housed under the human rights act, that this country might have more cash available to subsidise housing benefit, schools and hospitals and healthcare, for the residents that are already here ?

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    Jimmy says:

    Try Betfair

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    Viv says:

    For all but the last month of the Labour government, ‘the rich’ were taxed at 40%. Dear Gordon put it up to 50% solely in order to be able to accuse the Tories of giving ‘tax breaks’ to ‘the rich’.

    And although there are plenty of ‘fat cats’, does it not occur to those who snipe at the higher paid that the vast majority of them work just as hard, if not harder, than most to achieve their successes?

    My own employer is super-rich – if he wasn’t, I and many others wouldn’t have a job – but he never stops working. That is, surely, the very best way of ‘redistributing income’ – his ‘riches’ filter down to hundreds of others through providing employment.

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    Peter's Second Cousin says:

    Wait a minute! I have read on here many times that tax avoidance is a good thing. That it’s every citizens duty to pay as little tax as possible. Only EVASION was wrong.

    So Guido the tax avoider, which is it…Good or bad?

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    Anonymous says:

    Stupid moron. How can you call avoiding something which isn’t a tax “tax avoidance”? If you think it is a tax please provide a link to HMRC’s website for the information about it.

    Also considering that people on LHA renting privately have had this applied since 2008, where is your blog post from any time in the last HALF DECADE criticising that?

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    Wurzel says:

    @ Con Artist
    Pls accept my apologies also, after losing the only true love of my life and now shutting myself away, things are still very raw.
    I have no wish for hard working taxpayers to subsidise under occupancy, but feel that many have no choice to suffer cuts that will hit some very hard. There are many problems, most of which cannot be corrected overnight. Migrants have swamped the housing sector like many others. For years, the last Government built barely any affordable housing and actively encouraged Councils to unload their housing stock. There are many that are hit by the over occupancy charge that would move into a smaller property if only there was the availability. All that be done quickly is rearrange the deckchairs. Seeing the tax-avoiding antice of the likes of Amazon and a certain coffee chain is especially galling to some that are struggling to make ends meeet. The problem with change, is that whether swapping bin collections to once a fortnight, or paying benefits direct into the bank, the public will always complain. Like all changes, no one solution fits all, so I have no more of an answer than others.

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    Wurzel says:

    Don’t assume that I am either a ‘Retard’, or for that matter a moronic Labour voter – Hunt … See, we can all be rude.

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    Laws are like pie-crusts, made to be broken.

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    Curly says:

    Con Artists,

    Thank you most kindly for your most uninformative rant. I was merely asking the question. My particular circumstances are none of your business, but I will tell you that my little pad was bought and paid for nearly 30 years ago and I have no need to either upsize or downsize just to please some lefty wanker who wants to live in my house.

    So, do you know the answer to my question? What is the minimum qualification for such assistance?

  109. 109
    Mike says:

    Community services are paid for by working people with no children who live in their own homes

  110. 110
    left wing right wing, it's all the same bird! says:


    The nail hit head on

    rearrange or don’t.

  111. 111
    Red Ed says:

    Our contradictions wont be pointed out when we regulate the truth or rather Pravda

  112. 112
    Anonymous says:

    What a load of rubbish, it isn’t tenants who define the number of bedrooms in a property, but the landlord.

  113. 113
    Simon Pissed Off Taxpaying Mug Gothard says:

    It isn’t a tax.

  114. 114
    Won't Get Fooled Again says:

    If you are disabled, reclassify one room as a ‘Therapy Room’ where you receive massage treatement etc.
    After all if Grant Shapps can have one of his bedrooms as an office, then why can’t all of us.
    I assume that Gideon Osborne keeps one of his rooms spare for his and IDS’ coffins for them to sleep in at night….

  115. 115
    gildedtumbril says:

    Surely Tax Avoidance is legal, therefore acceptable. Whereas Tax Evasion gets you HMP, unless, of course you are an Mp, bastards.

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