Dave v Nick and Ed Leveson Showdown in Full
Click on Dave to see his proposals for the future of the British press, click on Nick and Ed to see their statutory alternative…
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Tom Harris bemoans the public’s attitude to politicians…
“Mr Oborne echoes the lazy, anti-politics whine we hear so often these days, all based on the absurd notion that politicians were once loved and only fell out of public favour during the expenses scandal. He should take a walk to the Strangers’ Bar. But not to sup with the patrons he seems to despise so much, dearie me, no; he should instead look at the paintings on the corridor outside the bar, which depict the devastating fire which consumed most of the Palace in 1834. And he should reflect on the fact that on that dramatic night, as the Commons went up in flames, a crowd gathered on the South Bank to clap and cheer.”
Focus group time. says:
The thing that Dave needs to work out is which group is more likely to vote Conservative. Mad swivel-eyed loons or mad homosexuals wishing to get married.
Vote UKIP.
2 true, blue!
Stop treating me like an idiot.
Accessible html at its best. When guido isn’t butchering images he’s hiding links on images. Is it 1995 again?
Both “proposals” are based on “trust us, you cannot trust anyone”.
If anything cannot be trusted, it’s the state.
We can already see “our” National News “Service” is as good at hiding news as the National Health service is at killing patients.
OT
Borat was more spot on than realised.
http://www.eurasianet.org/node/66693
tories loose Foxhill local election to UKIP
The end is nigh for Tories
Foxhill ?
Is that a ward, council, district, seat or just a nice sounding bump in a meadow?
Nick Clegg. The dogsh•t on the shoe of British politics. Unpleasant, smelly and hard to get rid of.
http://www.runnymede.gov.uk/portal/site/elections/Foxhill_results_2013/
I didn’t realise. Damned good golf club there.
I’d say that was about as true blue a heartland as exists.
Slightly worrying was the number of reds being voted for. To get that many labour supporters in Foxhills they must have mobilised 100% of their vote and 2005 of their postal vote.
I see their candidate was from Ottershaw. Must be one of the former, fat pensioned, BOAC baggage handlers, moved away from Stanwell to avoid the airport noise.
>I’d say that was about as true blue a heartland as exists.
Should be especially worrying for Dave’s not very conservative party.
loose or lose ?
2012 results in Foxhill local election
Chaudhri Conservative 581
Wood UKIP 284
2013 results in Foxhill local election
UKIP 336
Cons 318
Goodby Tories
“Enriched” Britain gives back to the world….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9931125/British-radicals-are-flocking-to-Syria.html
It is about time some concentration camps were constructed, or perhaps some walls around the hot spots in the UK.
Yes Firstly around the Houses of Parliament.
Arn’t we going to arm them?
Live action training for when they return?
Vote UKIP.
Ak47s please.
We need to deal with this in statute. I mean it’s not as though 1200 people died of neglect in an NHS hospital
And of course the fact you got caught with a prostitute in LA (funny how the lefty elite don’t criticise such “sexist” behaviour but a few working class men liking Page3 is something for them to get upset about) has nothing to do with your vendetta against a free Press.
Your shurley not suggesting that is why our very own Hune Grant is campining to have a state run press?
Oh fuck off you Hunt.
Click? I don’t want to point my cursor near Ed Miliband.
Behind his weirdo mask lurks a dangerous man who thinks he knows best. He wants the whole country to fall into line behind his pro-scrounger “one nation” ideology.
That’s Marxism in a nut-shell.
Karl Marx had a servant.
True.
He was also a scrounger and non-payer of debts. A parasite’s parasite.
How did he afford it? His wife had to borrow money to bury their dead child, Marx was skint, lived on handouts a lot of the time mostly from Engels.
The same question should be put to all these fanatics who want a state controlled press:
Which articles and what beaviour that are currently not illegal would such a body outlaw?
I doubt they could answer. Phone hacking already is illegal. Beyond that? What else should be banned? If a millionaire celebrity wants to take drugs and shag hookers they will get exposed and so what?
Read the Leveson report – there are quite sinister references to a need for articles to be balanced – in terms of politics, race, gender etc. We’ll see some body of do-gooders and Guardian readers informing the Sun they must stop having Page3, they must not publish article x y or z because it doesn’t portray the EU/immigration in a positive light, they must employ 50% women writers etc. We must stand up to this.
Well said.
Only politicians are like car salesmen. They’re not interested in helping you drive better, they want to sell you a new car. A politician lives to introduce new legislation rather than fix or enforce existing laws.
I think there’s a public right to know if someone is arrested for doing something illegal (such as getting a BJ in a public place from a hooker).
It undermines the luvvies brand when they’re outed as hypocrites with views no wonder should take special interest in. So they want to ban us from finding their flaws! They really must go.
True.
The thing is we have to admit some of the Press, like all parts of society, are scum bags. Some break the law – such as hacking. Others print absolute trash such as the Daily Star, Razzle, the Guardian, Asian Babes magazine etc – but saying we support freedom of speech means we support their right to publish such things, subject to the rule of law and laws of libel etc within a free society, not that we agree with them all.
It’s very sad to see this essential freedom be attacked. The Left controls academia, the BBC, the education system, is gaining control of the police and armed forces (I know men in both, you wouldn’t believe how much diversity re-education they have to undergo), the fire brigade, even bloody wikipedia – and you just know it frustrates the hell out of them that people continue to buy the Sun, Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph. Listen to that twat Steve Coogan and it’s pretty clear he just hates the Daily Mail and wants it out of business.
I guarantee that any press regulation will very quickly be used by the feminists to try to ban Page 3.
>the Guardian, Asian Babes
Let’s not put the Graunaid and Asian Babes in the same lot. Asian Babes is a mag that employs loads of women without coercion, and sells without extortion.
The graunaid is subsidised by a car-mag via a tax dodging trust and is mainly bought with extorted money to fund jobs paid for by extortion. It is wholly immoral.
Actually just as important source of revenue for the Guardian is public sector job adverts. These keep the paper going and ensure that our public sector is dominated by trendy lefty wankers.
I give you a cast iron promise I will do nothing to change this. Or investigate their alleged tax dodging practices.
The Jolly Good, the unbelievably bad and the fugly.
All the luvvies should fuck off to Scotland where Salmond wants to introduce state regulation of the interweb as well as the press. As Mel Gibson says; FREEDOM!!!!
I think when it comes down to it, those living in Jockshire are likely to say “Och aye, not the noo!” to the Leaping Salmond.
It will be an upstream fight for him.
The fact that Salmond wants to introduce state control of the press tells us all we need to know about this shameful idea.
Has he thought of emancipation for the recently conceived in Jockshire to try and bring in a “yes” vote? It could be a postal vote – although I dread to think of where the voting slip would have to go.
Only good news will be allowed in New Darian.
Aye the bastard, and who pulls his strings I wonder?
I like a good fight
I think one glimmer of hope we all have is the interwebs. Even if the Guardian readers manage to get control of the dead tree press then they still can’t control the interwebs without China-style control – of course the more twattish bed-wetters would want that but even some guardian readers/bbc fanatics would say no.
Click anywhere you like for the non-existent coverage of retroactive legislation being introduced by DWP
Too right. We need emergency laws to stop precious taxpayer cash going to the workshy scroungers and their greedy lawyers.
In fact anyone found to be able bodied whilst claiming, should have to pay it back until they can prove they were disabled.
Any able bodied person who claims Disability Allowance (or what ever it is called today) should have their legs broken to show them what true disability is.
There’s a mistake in the second line of the Draft Royal Charter: it reads ‘Our other Realms and Territories’ when it should read ‘Her other Realms and Territories’.
I hope the rest of the document doesn’t continue in the same vein…
I would think it is couched in terms of the crown, which is non gender specific
This is all b/s.
You would have thought they had enough with the BBC bilge.
They should be prioritizing the NHS deaths fiasco.
Why is Nich0lson still in office, and why has Burnham et al. not been arrested yet ?
When the media is muzzled, the public won’t ever find out about cases like the Staffordshire NHS deaths.
All thanks to “National News Service” doing to news what the NHS does to patients.
Because NOBODY is ever held to be responsible. They all love to hide behind the collective skirt.
BTW – Broon should be in jail for sabotaging this country – but it ain’t going to happen.
The whole Leveson debacle is a charade against what is in “The Public Interest”.
How many individuals from “The Public” have truly had any say in matters about how to control a corrupted press? It’s all showboating and chicanery.
I have to agree with your sentiments on this, BW. But should we seriously put ultimate control of the fifth estate in the hands of a corrupted political class? Can you imagine Watson, Burnham, Miliwatt, Balls, Clegg, Cameron, Ferage (*insert any deity of your choice* forbid!) with their hands on the levers of press and freedom of speech!?
Better a free but flawed press, that can be sued and pursued, than a Goebbels-esque charter for politicians with much to hide, and therefore bury.
If luvvies and the sort of people who are famous in their own lunchtime want it to defend their privacy, my gut reaction is to tell them to bugger off somewhere else then – it was publicity and the press that made them!
“The public” have been hijacked by the pro-Leveson lobby in an attempt to strengthen their case.
It’s probably astro-turfing like the EUSSR does.
Better to prosecute the wrong doers under the existing law as they should have been, rather than use that as leverage to do this.
Should not be forgotten when most of the extreme bad press stuff took place and under which government. Labour are utter scum.
My guess is Labour know there is an avalanche of information about their incompetency while in power ready to burst through the floodgates,wouldnt it suit them fine if all reports had to be approved by a spin doctor (think Alistair Campbell) in the interests of balance
The press will not be muzzled. They will be reduced to the same pathetic state as the p3d0 infested BBC.
Please accept my support on that point, Point of I, and rearrange the words “man, give, cigar, a, that” with my compliments!
You left off the biggest manipulator of the lot. Campbell.
Look, just because we got caught by the free Press stealing millions from the tax payer through the expenses scandal doesn’t change the fact that we are the ones who should decide which newspapers should be given a new newspaper license and which should be closed, such as the Telegraph and the Sun.
Agree without reservation.
It’s not statutory regulation. Stop being a moron.
Did someone call? If it’s with a subpoena, I’m not in, and won’t be back this century, as I’m attending the funeral of my career, which has just died.
hello,
The Black death skeletons found within days ,resemble camerons and cleggs Government ! nealy gone wayhey!!!!!!!!!
The 2 unwise Monkeys
Nick Clegg – Hear no Evil & See no Evil combined
Ed Millibrand – Thpeak no Weevil
For someone that hears and sees no evil Clegg is pretty deft at being an evil b*****d.
I think this is a very good training video for how Calamity Clegg’s management style works – oh, the 60′s seem so far away!
The sixties are as far away today as the Boer war was when you were born.
{assuming you are a 60′s flower child}
Frightening isn’t it?
Here’s how old some of us are, the Rt Hon Mr Quango:
I can even remember 1914-18 veterans being brought together to be honoured for Golden Jubilees of their service at the same time Second War veterans were, for their Silvers.
Can you believe it, there actually was a time long ago when we thanked people for their service for King and Country!
Sadly, a fifties fiftiy-er!
Why do they call me the Memory Man? I do like a big girl but for the life of me I cannot recall why.
Dave’s link takes you to horse meat wholesaler site for some reason? The other one looks like a link to gay wedding planning site so didn’t bother.
The kicker is the power to hear third party complaints. This goes against the traditions of English common law and the concept of actual harm being done to a complainant.
A paradise for taxpayer funded grievance lobby groups – as if they are not already powerful enough.
The media is institutionally sexist and racist and needs statutory control to make sure newspapers like the Sun can’t continue to publish page 3, which demeans all women, or continue to publish stories that might lead someone to disagree with the policy of national enrichment through immigration. You’re all sexist.
I’ve read her twitter – she’s a dopey cow indeed – everything, absolutely everything, is sexist, especially if it includes any reference to beautiful girls.
Yes, but to be fair, she does have nice tits, AND makes a lovely cup of tea for Alan Rubbishier whenever he asks.
So what if she sometimes speaks when the men are talking – surely we can indulge her little fancies, hm? We ARe bigger than that, after all.
I’m too busy learning to play my shiny new piano to bother with the workers. I do like Jessicaca’s accent though and it’s always better to employ a foreigner than one of those hideous English workers. To be honest everyone in my office rants day and night that everything is sexist.
Dear, dear, a UK headline in 2013 can include the words “liberal”, “democrats” and “regulation of the press” linked with “argue for” or “press for” (ha ha) or “vote for” all in one go. Who would have thought that in 1913?
Societies can digress, as Niall Ferguason has written.
From next week on UK citizens are in same boat as Hungarians and those further east. Good luck!
So by this rationale, Clegg and Brand Milliband should also bring in legislation to …
Prevent Nonces or Power from rogering children.
Or bring in legislation to stop MPs making up false expenses invoices
Or bring in legislation to stop Ministers lying under oath and getting their partner to take the speeding points.
Or bring in legislation to stop pissed MPs lamping someone for nothing in a bar
Oh wait…
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Eric, you have too much spare time. Go do some charity work.
yes, it’s grrrrrreat!
Just done a word for word comparison and I really struggle to see any material difference in the two versions. Politics being put before people.
The PM tells the Pope:
“The white smoke over the Falklands was pretty clear.”
This tweet from the PM is crass and unnecessary. Do we really need silly innuendo about the race of the Falkland islanders?
Wacist
LOL I wonder who did that awesome joke for Dave.
Well, he could have told the dopy old bugger to try being on a battleship full of soldiers and sailors, sailing away from a nuclear submarine NEAR the Falklands, if he would like a graphic demonstration of the answer to the Tangoing skull-and-lipstick president demanding the Falklands “back”?
They are only closest to Patagonia on the mainland (about 280 miles, or more than London to Paris – now THERE’S a thought!) – nowhere near “Argentina.”
Eastern Patagonia is part of Argentina. Did you think there is a country called Patagonia? Not that I am supporting the Argentine claim to the Falklands in any way.
You make my point beautifully for me – my point IS that when Argentina gives Patagonia back to the Patagonians, we might feel inclined to talk about the Falklands, but no one should hold their breath.
And what about Mexican territories annexed by the US of A, Texas, California for starters!
Good project for Barry
It’s strange how labour did nothing wrong, how anything that is good from the coalition is lib-dem, and how everything that is wrong is the fault of the tories. Now surely the law of probability says that’s a fucking load of crap.
Of course thats the myopic world view currently being promoted in all sections of the media-complete bollocks
Now can anyone tell me why Clegg is called a Liberal?
When Millipede gets elected he will repeal the fucking law of probability
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Owen, it’s no pudding for you tonight dear. Now go and wash your hands and get to bed.
Owen, you little rabid hamster-boy! I did like your point “Failing to address the huge levels of inequality that exploded in the 1980s.”
Well, when I say “liked” what I mean is it made me chuckle! Sadly the facts just don’t agree – a bit like a Labour Party WMD dossier really- you see inequality actually accelerated from 1997 onwards – go on, check with the NSO… you’ll be shocked, I know I was! Well, when I say shocked, you’ll feel more like winded to realise that just one stupid half-sentence highlights your tribal, shouty, ill thought through, “right on comrades” attitude that serves to make you as blind as the “neo-nazis” you hate so much.
Now do go away and think rationally, there’s a good lad. Say hello to that disastrous old hag Polly for me.
If you want to say hello to her in person and have nothing better to do on Sunday night 17 March, and nothing better to spend your money on, Polly Toynbee has kindly condescended to appear in person at the Arts Theatre, Cambridge.
“Toynbee will be discussing her most recent book Dogma and Disarray (written with David Walker) and the state of our government, the next election and the Welfare state. “
Please note there are NO concessions available for this talk – not even for disabled feminist pensioners – so if you want to hear her push her own book, you’ll have to pay up to £22.50, and there’s a booking fee on top.
https://cambridgeartstheatre.purchase-tickets-online.co.uk/public/show.asp?shcode=10380
Could get book burning a good name
“Click on Dave to see his proposals for the future of the British press, click on Nick and Ed to see their statutory alternative…”
My proposal – do nowt. The press got out of hand because the Police were in on it. Now that has reduced somewhat the law is being applied to both the press and some bent coppers. Can’t we have a politician simply say to the public – if you don’t like what the papers do, stop buying them?
The state should have little or no interest in the media neyond preventing monopolies (including the BBC).
I don’t see that.
Play word association and say Islam. You 9/10 times get the word Hunts back.
RIP Norman Collier. One of the real comedians.
What, you mean I’m not funny?
You’re the pits.
And neither am I.
According to the Times, Lord Ahmed blamed his prison sentence, for sending text messages shortly before his car was involved in a fatal crash, on pressure placed on the courts by J*ws “who own newspapers and TV channels”.
The Muslim peer allegedly told an Urdu-language broadcast in P*kistan that the judge who jailed him was appointed to the high court after helping a “J*wish colleague” of Tony Blair during an important case.
He allegedly claimed that his imprisonment was related to J*wish disapproval of his support for P*lestinians in Ga*a, which he visited in 2008.
A Labour spokesman said: “The Labour party deplores and does not tolerate any sort of anti-semitism. Following reports in the Times today we are suspending Lord Ahmed pending an investigation.”
In 2009, the P*kistani-born property developer was jailed for 12 weeks for dangerous driving after sending and receiving text messages minutes before his car crashed into a stationary vehicle on the M1 near Sheffield on Christmas Day 2007.
Martyn Gombar, a 28-year-old Slovakian who was in the stationary car, was killed.
Lord Ahmed was later freed by the appeal court after serving only 16 days of his prison sentence.
The Times said it had obtained video and audio of an Urdu-language TV interview, believed to have been broadcast in April last year, in which he discussed the decision to sentence him at Sheffield crown court, rather than a magistrates’ court with lesser sentencing powers.
He allegedly said: “My case became more critical because I went to Ga*a to support P*lestinians. My J*wish friends who own newspapers and TV channels opposed this.”
Channel 4 News tried to reach Lord Ahmed for comment, but was unsuccessful.
He told the Times that he had “no recollection” of the P*kistani TV interview, adding: “I’ve done a lot of interviews. If you’re saying that you have seen this footage, then it may be so, but I need to see the footage and I need to consult with my solicitors before I make any comments in relation to this.”
How does somebody only do 16 days for killing?
What an insult and injustice to the deceased and the family.
Forget all this other shit, decent people should be angry about this.
He probably works for the NHS and one killing is only regarded as a minor offence
TONY………. ALASTAIR
The Iraq War has killed more than 190,000 people and will cost the US $2.2 trillion, far exceeding initial 2002 estimates of $50 to $60 billion, according to a new analysis. About £ 10,500 per life.
What was the original estimate of deaths ?
Still no news of the horse meat.
A few more stories like this and it will all be forgotten .
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The differences:
i) First, Labour version fails to have ‘draft’ in background, and is not as well laid out.
ii) Definition, Section 4 (functions), Para 4.1: Labour includes clause d:
d) reporting on any success or failure of the recognition system.
Schedule 2: SCHEME OF RECOGNITION
i) Recognition: Para 5 missing from Labour version.
ii) Labour rename ‘Exception reviews’ as ‘Adhoc reviews’
iii) Differences: Conservative / Labour on following paras:
9a/8a, 11b/10b
Schedule 3: RECOGNITION CRITERIA
i) Following different: 5f, 7, 16, 18, 23
NB:
8C. A self-regulatory body should provide non-binding guidance on the interpretation of the public interest that justifies what would otherwise constitute a breach of the standards code. This must be framed in the context of the different provisions of the code relating to the public interest.
Schedule 4: INTERPRETATION
Following stands out:
i) Para 1b:
1. For the purposes of this Charter:
b) “relevant publisher” means a person (other than a broadcaster) who publishes in the United Kingdom:
i. a newspaper or magazine containing news-related material, or
ii. a website containing news-related material (whether or not related to a
newspaper or magazine);
d) a person “publishes in the United Kingdom” if the publication takes place in the United Kingdom or is targeted primarily at an audience in the United Kingdom;
e) “news-related material” means:
i. news or information about current affairs;
ii. opinion about matters relating to the news or current affairs; or
iii. gossip about celebrities, other public figures or other persons in the news.
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“TO ALL TO WHOM THESE PRESENTS SHALL COME, GREETING!” Is the Queen a Meerkat?
If our four main political party leaders where film stars in what roles could they excel?
Dave would be ideal as the smarmy, chinless wonder who marries the heroine because her family won’t let her marry her true love, who is not of sufficient social standing. Of course she eventually ditches Dave and runs off with her real love, leaving Dave a sad, lonely, unsympathetic character living alone in his big house. He may also excel playing vicars.
Red Ed would play nerdy boffin types (Q in James Bond for instance)and could probably score in non-speaking roles playing disturbed characters.
Nick should be in Cowboy and Indian films, as he most certainly speaks with fork tongue, however, he may do well as a Robin Hood type action hero in cut price, cheap, British B movies. Would probably be derided by critics as being too lightweight for the role.
Finally, Nigel is probably the only one of the four who would make a convincing villain. Ideal as a ruthless big company CEO who orders cover-ups and murders. Also would probably do well playing up-market car salesmen.
Anyone see any Oscars??
Mr Cameron, don’t you dare start supplying arms to Syrian rebels. They are as much our enemies as Assad is. If you wish to do something positive then help the refugees who have fled Syria especially the innocent children. Don’t give arms to the rebels which will result in the deaths of more innocent children. I am very displeased with you and your Government as it is. Do not cause me any further annoyance!!!
Dave once talked about a bonfire of the Quangos.
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or gratuities, at such rates or amounts as it determines.
He said he’d curb Ofcom. That never happened.
I guess under new proposals Guido fawkes site will be subject to heavy censorship.