Where is the Stafford Summit?
You know it’s a crisis when a summit is called. Owen Paterson is meeting representatives of the industry, while Labour have called an Opposition Day debate this afternoon on a matter that has yet, and probably never will, kill anybody. Compare the horse meat saga reaction to near silence that greeted the Francis Report into the death of 1,200 people at the hands of the NHS. After a flurry of concern on the day the report was published, it’s now back to business as usual and criticism for anyone who speaks out again the Envy of the World. While Labour are gunning for scapegoats in government for the food industry, those actually to blame for what happened at Stafford Hospital remain under the radar at the Department of Health, presumably loving the giant equine distraction.
Guido, you clearly have not understood the issue underlying the horse meat scandal. It’s about undecleared ingredients and the lack of supervision. If unchecked, the issue does have the potential of killing more than 1,200 people. Get off the sauce.
Horse meat is hardly dangerous, unlike the awful NHS. If it was France would be depopulated.
I think the panic in Government is that people will realise that the EU is, yet again, part of the problem.
The UK will have great difficulty in banning the import of all ‘beef’ because of EU regulations, and we can’t test it all to ensure it IS beef.
This is why we need proper regulation. Every year over 1 million dogs and cats go missing, can we be 100% certain it doesn’t end up as food?
Had a curry recently?
Is it coincidence that the Tories slip out a proposal to emasculate Leveson on a day with all these other stories? Is it coincidence that Guido Murdoch ignores this political slight of hand?
I think you could be right, Frederick. The Tories will let Murdoch get away with anything. It’s shocking. Being a straightforward kind of guy, I never did anything like that.
Nice try Tony, but two wrongs never made a right.
I would like to deny that any of the animals we put down, cats,dogs etc, do not end up in the food chain of the UK, I repeat do not end up in the food chain. I have nothing more to say because my Puppy Toastie is getting cold.
The Truth About Cats & Dogs – do we REALLY want to go there?
I think they wont ban imports as they havent been proved to be a health hazard, they eat horse, it wont kill you. Whereas meat infected woth BSE can !
When BSE was discovered in cattle,thousands of animals were destroyed,
to,as far as i know,to protect the public and exporting of beef ,was banned
for a long time…Confidence in beef eventually returned,but beef on the bone was ,i believe,banned for a while.
It cost an enormous amount of money to the taxpayer to rid the countries “herds” from the food chain.Given all that scrutiny of the british beef industry,begs the question,”Who is looking after the nations food”??
Also,”How do we know food from abroad,especially the EU,is ok??
We have “food crossing borders,thanks to the EU,without a lot of scrutiny..
Still,its diverted attention from labours management of the NHS,,and, labours ban on fox hunting,creating problems…….
We shooy horses don’t we
In NHS these data was collected only from 2000, so we don’t know what went on in the last Tory government. Now I can understand why this government in so keen in cutting admin and managerial jobs.
I can remember what went on in the NHS under the last tory government. There were long waiting lists and constant delays and patients on trolleys in corridors, but they still got cared for and were not starved to death in pools of their own piss to meet artificial, political targets.
As data wasn’t collected we cannot be sure of “but they still got cared for and were not starved to death in pools of their own piss”.
Labour even let in hospital cleaners as skilled migrants. They ended up bring their family to UK and claiming benefits. Even though there were over 1 million unemployed at the Labour wasn’t able to find cleaners in UK. The biggest problem in UK is benefits, until its reformed UK will be in a mess.
It was all Thatcher’s fault.
In so far as it was the 1988 housing act that guaranteed everybody a roof thus adding to the NHS policy of treating anybody who comes through the door straight off a plane.
Mark Harper, Immigration Minister, refused yesterday to reveal the number of Rumanians/Bulgarians they expect to enter this counry on Jan 1st as he “Doesn’t want to frighten people!”
The figure they expect is between 3 million and 5 million, call a summit on this.
“These data was collected” [sic]. You have to wonder about the ignorance and outright fucking stupidity of this c*unt.
It’s amazing that it knows how to get out of bed. Maybe it doesn’t – except to claim its benefits.
Whilst I have some sympathy with the sentiments it does seem odd coming from a source named after the most unreliable car ever put on a road.
Oi!
Unreliable car, and stupid name aside, you have to wonder why somebody has to use bad language to get his point across ! rather negates the point !
Nice try Andy Burnham ! but no coconut,where are the crowds of distressed relatives (who really blew the whistle on Stafford) from before 2000 then ? no, there arent any. Stafford was a dierect result of some very stupid “targets” set by Labour, and TEN MILLION POUNDS cut from their budget, which resulted in stupidly low staffing levels.
Not the meat itself, the chemicals used by some factories.
Now we have a resistant TB. If we can not even guarantee the source of the meat how can we know its health when it died. We can not even know what it was fed on.
What about the changes to the milk definitions? To get Whole Milk you now need to find “non-standardized Whole Milk” Standardized whole milk has been redefined to be skimmed to 3.5%. The whole art of the EU is to redefine words. Seems familiar with Cameron’s attempt to redefine words. Redefinition is corruption.
Even in this country there is the dumping of industrial waste and sewage on farm land. I know that is not done correctly. All you need to do is walkup and take a sample of the mound they dump in the field corner.
What about the injection of waste products into the meat. The machine used to be marketed by the phase “Why sell meat when you can sell …”
So much for the free-market solving all our problem?
Maybe not, but what about some of the drugs in the horses? Guido, please do your homework.
Keeping Burnham at Health is like keeping Balls at The Treasury, a constant reminder of how Labour fucked the NHS and the economy.
Burnham wrote an article on Stafford Hospital for The Guardian – pandering to the ‘professionals’ who buy the rag. Has he apologised to the families and patients who were neglected?
He claims he and his team are going to be shadowing NHS workers, which begs the question what was he doing other than shuffling paper when he was a Junior Minister in 2006-7 and Sec of State for Health in 2009.
Francis stated that the culture of the NHS was uncaring, the senior managers Bower and Nicholson were promoted, not removed.
Except the Government PR machine is utterly silent on Liebour’s complicity on both these matters. If the boot was on the other foot, this would be splashed all over the media.
Couldn’t run a bunk-up in a brothel.
Dave Cameron is as ineffectual as a PM as he was in opposition.
The first part of his speech in the commons said that there would be no blame and no scapegoats.
How many labour fuck-ups will it take before Cameron actually blames labour for the corruption and incompetence on their watch?
Take the phone hacking scandal. All happened on labour’s watch by labour supporting press, by people who were close personal friends of the labour leadership at the time. All ignored on labours watch by the most left-wing Met police commissioner who was also a personal friend of the labour leadership.
When Cameron cleaned it up, the media and labour somehow, managed to set a public perception that this scandal was all Cameron’s fault. Miliband STILL has an ex NotW hacker working for him as a press officer. I mean WTF?
This tory administration is utterly inept. Cameron is a PR man? No he fucking well is not!
‘The first part of his speech in the commons said that there would be no blame and no scapegoats.’
There lies the nub of many of today’s problems. If all the MPs guilty of fiddling expenses had been jailed the current re-run would not be happening, if all guilty ‘ lords and ldies’ had been jailed, current fiddling would be much reduced, if guilty bankers had been jailed, subsequent banking ‘misdemeanours’ would not have happened, if the guilty in the NHS are jailed it will serve as a deterrent to future potential assholes.
and the country would be a much happier place because of a feeling of ‘fairness and transparency’ – didn’t some politician make extravagant claims about that recently.
David Cameron does not know the meaning of the word ‘justice’
Not as bad as Gordon though, so dont panic luvvy !
Francis up before select committee now. Could be more said today.
Someone mentioned writing Stafford report in 2010 to Burnham on Today prog this morning. At around 8.45. It was quickly glossed over as you would expect from the BBC.
I heard that too and missed his name. The interviewer (Evan Davies?) desperately tried coughing, erm, erm, errming to drown the details of what was being said and finally interrupted but too late. The interviewee (don’t know who it was) said excessive death rates had been notified to the Dept. of Health in 2001 and in 2007 he wrote to Andy Burnham several times highlighting not just Stafford but other hospitals and NOTHING was done.
I am only sorry that the interviewee did not highlight that this was during the last Labour government as casual listeners (with the aid of the BBC) might assume it was this government.
The Today piece is up now on iPlayer. Listen at 2h 50m. Sir Bruce Keogh of the Dr Foster Medical Intelligence unit based at Imperial College “We noticed abnormally high mortality rates at 14 hospitals and wrote to Andy Burnham about this in 2010.”
Guess Andy found some long grass to kick it into.
Could we have a Shadow Minister sacked for gross negligence and incompetence while in office as Health Secretary I wonder? No, it is Labour so the pigs will fly first!
Come on people – please keep on (horse)track.
could burnham be done for manslaughter?
There is no mention of Mid Staffs hospital and warnings to Burnham in 2010 on the Today site’s running order.
Have the BBC deleted all mention…
Funny that. It is at 8.50 between the pensions minister and the French Communists. The BBC must have accidently, in error, by mistake, forgotten to put reference to Burnham piece in.
Deputy Heads will roll!
You miss the point. Keeping Balls at the Treasury and Burnham at Health reminds the Labour cannon fodder that Miliband isn’t the worst option.
Tis is what puzzles me anout Labour. They still have a high proportion of useless ministers on their front bench, with arch Numpty Ed Milliband as leader. No policies from Ed in 2 years and yet they pronounce on things as though they are some sort of Brains trust who have all the answers ! they are really deluded !
If a private sector company is caught and found guilty of wrong doing it is fined, loses its customers or even closed down. If a public sector organisation (like the NHS) is caught wrong doing it is ignored and the whistle blowers sacked.
Possibly. I do wonder if there is a case under corporate manslaughter laws and, assuming the DPP will not pursue such a case for political reasons, whether he would dare intervene if it was brought privately by the relatives.
There is a clear case to answer at Mid Staffs under the 2007 Corporate Manslaughter and Corporate Homicide Act. If the NHS was a private company Burnham and a whole host of senior managers would be charged.
Imagine what would have happened if a stand collasped at a sporting venue and 1200 poeple died
like the banks you mean?
Dont be dramatic, Bankers didnt kill anybody by neglect. A lot of displacement fury re Bankers, by people who overstretched themselves financially and now love a good whinge and jump on the bandwagon ! does that apply to you PO?
How I Stopped Worrying and Learned to Love the Bankers?
Financial services crime which have led to an impairment of peoples ability to manage their businesses / finances is every bit as insidious as what has happened on the NHS.
In both cases, individuals have been led into situations which have proved fatal in some cases by being provided with faulty information upon which they make their decisions.
The element of amorality in both cases can be traced back to the state / government as root. Ultimately this is all to do with adjusting society to fit into the flawed EU model.
re ‘anonymous’
no, I have not been affected directly (always lived within my means). My response was to a comment on ‘wrong doing’. You spun that to ‘bankers didn’t kill anyone by neglect’.
Either you cannot read or don’t understand English or not concerned with fact or just stupid – hey maybe you are a politician. lol
Fair point that the bankers should be prosecuted as they have been in Iceland.
But the bankers should not be tried for killing anyone as they did not directly kill anyone. There have been lots of suicides by people who lost everything they had, but that is their own choice they were not killed against their own will.
In the Hospital’s scandal, the patients who were in need of care, died in pools of their own piss due to the neglect of the NHS staff, who were more concerned with promoting union activities and ticking boxes and filling in paperwork and building their own little empires or not being victimised and attacked for actually admitting what an atrocious state the NHS had fallen into under labours DOUBLING of the NHS budget!
It is not only a crime that people died of neglect in hospital. It is a crime that NOBODY has been sacked, arrested charged and convicted.
In fact those responsible were PROMOTED!
You should look up the ‘Eggshell Skull’ argument in English common law before settling that the criminal actions of financial services can be overlooked because they ‘did not directly’ harm anyone.
The root of both problems (NHS killing thousands and healthy horsemeat accidentally getting into our overly bureaucratic food-chain) lies in labour’s time in power.
Labour massively increased the bureaucracy in our food-chain. They created total traceability in response to the mad cow disease scare.
But they stopped inspections in 2003 and closed inspection factories in 2006.
They created massive, costly bureaucracy that clearly has not worked, because of a massive black hole in it called the EU, in which untraceable meat is allowed into our traceable food-chain, thus breaking all traceability of our mass-processed food. Instead of insisting on traceability of EU meat and ONLY allowing traceable meat from the EU into our food-chain as a public health policy, labour caved in to the EU (as they always did).
Labour only know how to tax, borrow, waste and wrap it all up in ever increasing, unworkable bureaucracy which ultimately fails.
The NHS death hospitals and this contaminated meat scandal are BOTH examples of more labour incompetence and corruption coming home to roost!
Very true but you won’t hear the BBC report this.
Before 2000 this type of data wasn’t collected so we don’t know whether it happened or not in the last Conservative government.
Leading scientists now accept that the deathrates in NHS hospitals prior to 1997 were more than a million times higher than under the Glorious Labour Government, and that NHS death rates will soar to record levels if Britain leaves the EU.
I worked in the NHS and it was common knowledge that at least 30,000 people a year where being killed by negligence
Anonymous, therefore you cannot argue that ANYONE died of neglect and the lefties argument that “the death through neglect of thousands of NHS patients under labour’s watch is OK because it must have been worse under the tories” just does not wash.
I remember the NHS under the tories and in my extensive experience, the NHS was a lot more efficient, put patient care ahead of empire building much more so than today (yes there were always political empire builders in the NHS, but not as bad as it got under labour) and although there were waiting lists and beds in corridors, there was never patients left to die after sitting in pools of their own piss for days, through total neglect. And staff were a lot more free to speak out back then too. If things were not run well, staff could whistleblow.
There were not family support of victims of the NHS back then as there was no NEED for families to create them.
This was LABOUR’S failing on LABOUR’S watch in their most sacred item of faith, the NHS.
Pathetic smears about “records were not kept” will not lessen the degree to which labour bears responsibility for this scandal, the likes of which the BBC are deliberately and wilfully downplaying.
Take the comparison with when a government minister was alleged to have called a police officer “pleb”
The BBC ran with that story leading the news for a week, even though it was totally bollocks and we now know that the police had conspired to lie to damage the career of a minister of the state.
Now compare with the news that thousands of the most vulnerable and elderly patients had been killed by neglect in labour’s NHS.
Had the stories been reversed and a labour Minister allegedly called a police officer a “pleb” and thousands of the most elderly had died in tories NHS through neglect, the BBC would never have mentioned the police story and would STILL be leading every night with the scandalous tory murder of the elderly in hospitals, labelling it a deliberate policy of tory death factories to reduce the pensions bill.
@Misternedderry: Agreed.
i) Labour screw things up and blame the Tories. Look for example at S@vile and the immediate Tory smears when his crimes took place across many governments. This is the Labour way.
ii) Ignore the BBC: It is part EU funded and a hostile news source which cannot be trusted. This should have been clear to people after the S@vile revelations came out, especially if the spin was seen for what it was.
‘Different culture back then…’ : Utter garbage.
Well written, well said. Agree 1000%.
Unfortunatly our public information media will never spill the beans.
Can the Tory media advisors please get their f**king act together.
A case of dyslexia and innumeracy in the same sentence. Can only be either an acolyte of Dick Sniffin or one of the Alzheimer sufferers in UKIP.
Yes but it was relatives who blew the whistle on Stafford, you can be sure the same thing would have happened before 2000 if rates had been high ! good try to muddy the waters but desperate !
Relatives would have only blown the whistle when the problem reached a critical mass and could not be ignored.
A statistical analysis would have shown the unexplained trend a lot earlier.
My BBC has behaved entirely appropriately and your views are in the minority. Do you not understand that the NHS is the nations new religion?
Not quite fair. The EU systems are perfect for tracing paperwork. It is just that the paperwork often bears no relationship to what is supposedly being traced – beef, butter etc. and whether it is actually fit for human consumption – and will not pick up a change of coding (e.g. from beef to horse) – whtehr deliberate or accidental.
The problem was identified just over 30 years ago in a report on the owrkings of the CAP that should now be in the public domain. The official who produced it (on secondment from MAFF) insisted on formally copying it to his Permanent Secretary and also to Christopher Tugendhat (then a European Commissioner) as part of his attempt to ensure that it was not completely buried. I am told that Tugendhat made a serious attempt to get action but after he moved on …
If we are going to have free trade in EU, there need to be more regulations at EU level and all these has to be monitored and controlled at EU level.
UK stops further integration of EU, without that EU cannot function. People in UK should get the choice to decide what they want for EU.
What do we want for the EU?
Nuclear war. Plague. Meteorite impact.
The EU regs closed down many small abattoirs where animals were killed close to where they were raised to produce meat for the local market( county based). This meant it was possible to physically trace animal, journeys and final meat. If butcher knows abbattoir and farmer , this greatly reduces fraud.
“After a flurry of concern on the day the report was published, it’s now back to business as usual and criticism for anyone who speaks out again the Envy of the World”
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Indeed, especially across the entire dead tree and broadcast MSM, especially one world class, and envied entity that still clings to the notion that if there’s ‘Trust’ in the oversight body title, people will.
Not any more.
The fault lies fairly and squarly at the supermaket buying office. They demand from a supplier unreasonable terms, such as price packaging etc etc and bear no responsibility for any shortcuts that then may occurr. The supplier is under extreme pressure as there are less and less buying points every year and the big supermarkets exploit this in the extreme.
Correct, i mean seriously what do you think goes in to “value” sausages, burgers, ready meals its not prime beef, obviously. People need to take responsibility for what they eat.
ha ha! welcome to the future assholes!
The flaw in your insult is the line “…have the potential of killing…” whereas Staffs NHS already has killed.
Get real, comparing horsemeat to humankind.
Labour have a vested interest in the NHS purely because of their paymasters, the unions.
All heads of departments at Staffordshire trust should be sacked forthwith.
They are responsible and should be charged with corporate manslaughter.
The ex Communist, head of the NHS was in charge of Stafford in 2008 apparently ! why is he still in his job ! a Conservatine MP was hounded out of his job for allegedly swearing at police officers , you couldnt make it up !
And say “allegedly”? Did that upper-class-twit swear at the coppers or not?
70000 horses have disappeared in the Republic of Ireland over the last couple of years.
All will be in the food sent to the UK market and Irish Republican gangsters will be laughing their heads off about it because they will have made a fortune.
By gangsters, hope you include the heads to the ‘super’ stores?
Maybe shark-wrestling was not such a good idea of mine.
When is that slimeball Andy Burnham going to take responsibility for
the criminal mismanagement of the Staffordshire hospital fiasco .
x100
NHS staff are a Labour block vote… Of course Lab won’t criticise them strongly. Even Anne Clwydd isn’t giving it both barrels after what she went through! As for the coalition they are like rabbits caught in the headlights on this one. If ever an institution required to beget a good a good hand bagging its the ” NHS- Envy of the World”. Much like the banks that were “to big to fail” so the NHS has become ” to important to criticise or break up”. Unless and until someone has the courage to stand up to big vested interests don’t expect change…. And as for the UKIP trolls on here can I point out that your too small to matter. Once you remove the one trick pony that is Farage there isn’t any substance….. All in all it all looks very gloomy!
LibLabCon = Liars = EU = uncontrolled immigration = loss of sovereignty = wasted vote
Never ever again will I trust those lying incompetent troughing bastar#s with their snouts in the EU trough.
Vote UKIP.
It make me laugh “after what she went through “she was in government when Stafford was taking place,she didnt give interviews sobbing about 1200 deaths there did she ?
I hadn’t even thought the horse meat scandal was a diversionary tactic from the NHS failures. Funny old world.
EU Horse Meat problem is easy fix: Ban imports of EU meat products immediately.
NHS Hospital problem: Arrest Burnham and the others responsible, and start repairing the flawed management structures in the ‘trusts’ and civil service which enabled this to.
This is why I am ex-Labour.
Their tribal fanaticism means that they will never address wrong doing in their own ranks.
The NHS is akin to International Brigades that fought in Spain to the left – no amount of evidnece of atrocities inflicted will ever make them turn & question their own.
Stafford was Labours fault. The NHS i=only exists for the benefit of Unions & their members – not the patients.
Labour knows that this is a ticking bomb under them – there are more Staffords out there & Labour cannot bury its head or stay silent for ever.
The Unions own Labou – this proves it.
Never mind the Labour Party. Grand Master I need your help again to fix the Courts, you did it for me last time with the Police, CPS, and Parliamentary Standards Commissioner, fix the Judge please for this civil trial.
http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/portsmouth-south-mp-mike-hancock-denies-sexual-assault-claims-1-4777389
Boaz.
Working on it as you speak Handy. Jahbulon.
No question that Labour are responsible for Stafford. But if you think health care would be better off under a private system you have obviously never had contact with private care homes. Their lack of adherence to even basic standards makes the NHS look like a shining example of quality. No system is perfect. The crisis in private care demonstrates that privatisation carries high risks. Would you want your bypass carried out by a doctor from overseas in a system where the most basic checks on qualifications are ignored? If you think the NHS is bad you ain’t seen nothing.
“A doctor from overseas in a system where the most basic checks on qualifications are ignored” is just as likely to be working in the NHS as in private health care.
utter bollocks – as shown by many BMA cases.
And yet the Unions and the Labour Party have every right to defend THEIR class – against YOUR class. This is what you lot really hate.
…and what is their class exactly? certainly not the working class who they have betrayed over and over.
Yes that was the way Blair’s fake Party (and their right-wing friends) betrayed the working class. Yet I was talking about the way the Labour Party and Unions SHOULD (and may one day) act.
The state-loving fanatics and the grubby public sector, and that includes politicians, will always look after themselves.
They shoot whistle-blowers don’t they?
You called?????????
The establishment & common purpose are ass covering again ..
Tell me one way that will highlight a real issue involving deaths.
Everyone is covering their behinds. No one cares. They were all shown. I have a file of all the stupid answers from each politician. One even demands money to look into corruption in his own profession.
Along with some of the Tory MPs that are members?
Yes, them too. We’re not all tribalists, you know.
So, given the nature of most comments here, would not the term ‘nearly all tribalists’ be correct?
Guido,
You need to find out why and when they started to investigate the horse meat scandal.
It could be very interesting if this breaking story has been sitting around for 18 months, waiting for a crisis.
Good point.
Rubbish, in any case all the lasagnes would be past their sell by date.
Just like I am past my sell out date.
Diane probably thinks that ethics is in the east of England.
More ‘lessons must be learned.’ When exactly?
Tony the (Frostie) tiger was part of the problem
Lesson One. Don’t kill the patients.
Lesson Two: If you kill the patients, we will put you in prison.
Lesson Three: Fit the problem – don’t use this to sell off the NHS.
Death of the equivalent population of a small town price worth paying if lessons learnt.
And no-one from the public sector is going to prison for manslaughter.
And no-one from the public sector will lose their job.
Just like the BBC Saville scandal – lessons will be learnt, be no-one is accountable.
Imagine if a private hospital had just slaughtered thousands?
The MP for Mid Staffs was repeatedly told of problems at the hospital.Took no notice whatsoever. Was it because the patients were white and mainly elderly~they count for little in this poxy country.
I would have thought getting rid of a few hundred hideously white pre-windrushers would have been right up labour’s street.
But when it comes to a measly 3 points on a driving licence or making a stupid remark on Twitter.
I despair.
No, any problems and it is off the local NHS A&E. By the way, were do private hospitals get their skilled staff?
Those responsible for the NHS disasters, particularly, senior managers, high officials at the department and the usual suspects among our ‘honourable friends’ in parliament should not be allowed to use the cover of the horsemeat scandal to wriggle out of this one. Surely all the deaths so far reported should have the potential to trigger manslaughter investigations, as well as the need to sort out the mess of the mismanagement of our NHS?
Anti-toff. Pro-letariat.
As a start, sign the e-petition calling for Nicholson to go
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/45576
Labour feel they’re safe protesting about horsemeat, killer hospitals are tricky for them – they were in charge while Mid-Staffs was demeaning & slaughtering people.
Thanks for the prompt – just signed it
And I have.
I just signed, but I’d prefer it if we were petitioning for his arrest for crimes against humanity.
Signed, but only 1679 signatures, rubbish response.
Praise the guilty, and punish the innocent – It’s the Labour way
It’s actually the 2nd rule of management (in both the public and private sectors).
Rule 1: Make any instruction of such overwhelming ambiguity that if it goes well you can take the credit and if it goes badly you can place the blame.
Rule 2; When something goes wrong under your watch remember that the guilty work for you; so make sure you pursue the guilty but persecute the innocent in someone else’s domain.
Praise Starbucks and punish the disabled – it’s what the Tories do.
Think carefully about Starbucks: What do they import and sell, especially African coffee.
Then trace back to armajoro and pleb gate.
Make sense now ?
Meanwhile the BBC is asking what are the ramifications of the Pope resigning?
Answer: Reporters and crews from every radio/TV channel sent to Rome for a midweek jolly paid for by us
the Vatican really should modernize, they could start by using one of those e-chimneys
No. The problem with e-chimneys is that you can’t smuggle the choirboys down them.
And they get far closer to the action than the plebs, cheers *clink*.
The ramifications are some very excited nuns.
Meanwhile…’Reporters and crews from every radio/TV channel sent to Rome for a midweek jolly paid for by us’
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Smoke & mirrors. Black, white & cracked. That’s how you hold some to account, and not others. Trust them on this.
Great comment by someone: “The Pope is being true to his Catholic credentials by pulling out before the job is finished.”
Has Ed called for an enquiry into Horsemeat?
Steward led.
I never said a word (or stamped a hoof)
We eat only Argentinian beef here. None of that British crap.
Doubt it, it’s probably Uruguayan.
You’re having a laugh. Criticism of the NHS is taboo.
Besides there is only one acceptable solution to the summit: spend more money on the NHS.
Whilst you’re at it, why are cancer survival rates so low in Britain? Many people with cancer die in Britain when they survive in other European countries.
Envy of the world? My arse.
Let’s have a pic of it, then.
You may be right about spending more money on the NHS, but not by giving it more from the taxpayer. The obvious answer is to sell off all those very valuable and unsuitable city hospital sites and reinvest the money in first class facilities on low cost sites. Start with Barts in London. A Victorian building, completely unsuited to modern medicine, on a site worth well over a billion.
That has already been tried – hence the demise of all those lovely efficient local cottage (I am allowed to say that on here?) hospitals.
No the Asset Stripping of the NHS is still on-going. Is it not as case of Knowing the Price of Everything – but the VALUE of Nothing?
Why would your Arse be the Envy of the World?
9:30am today on bbc parliament – the inquiry chairman is being questioned in front of the Health select committee in the Thatcher room Portcullis House.
FYI http://services.parliament.uk/calendar/#!/calendar/Commons/SelectCommittee/2013/2/12/events.html
shouldn’t that be against
Distraction politics, the art of deception and misdirection. The murder of thousands of vulnerable people by the state, and it is the state because the NHS is an instrument of the state. And its not just one hospital but at least a dozen, this is distraction and damage limitation in action. No public inquiry and no prosecutions and no dismissals, this is the regime in action and who and what they really are. Think of the tens of thousands of poor elderly and vulnerable people dying of cold related illnesses unable to afford to heat their homes as a direct result of government policy to reduce a harmless plant food, no public inquiry for them.
Think of the increase respiratory diseases in children and the elderly as a direct result of people cutting back on heating because of the cost, and the strain on the NHS as a result. Damp cold houses and damp bedding and more dying off in our increasingly cold winters. The great man made global warming fraud enacted to make energy too expensive to use and leading to mass unemployment and deaths while the rich get richer, no rationing for them and no public inquiry either. Cover ups and whitewashes are the order of the day, taking advantage of the news cycle to crush one scandal and replace it with another and always the truth hidden and those to blame protected. Mass murder ignored, the state protecting its own while persecuting the powerless.
This is the new world order, the state is unreachable and unaccountable and immune from the laws that govern the weak and the powerless. This is the liblabcon, the reality of a new system of government, a two tier system, the ruling class and its client functionaries at the top and the plebs at the bottom, the regime hates you, has nothing but contempt for you, has become the bullying master as we turn the other cheek it will get worse. Vote for the liblabcon and a nasty dictatorship in the making.
The truth.
And nothing but the truth.
Although one is allowed to suggest improvements to the NHS, criticism of the NHS itself is strictly forbidden.
Only if those “improvemts” are to it’s budget
Improvements even
Helpful criticism/improvements to the NHS are welcome.
Self-service right-wing attacks are not.
Well said Guido. The Silence is deafening on this NHS scandal. You are right to compare the crescendo over horsegate to this but I would take it a step further and compare it to Hillsborough.
The BBC has all but removed all voices of dissent of the NHS from its airwaves but just as worryingly so has Dave.
Far from being Angels most NHS staff have now become jobsworths and thius attitude is killing people and causing them untold pain.
Eh?
My local hospital is split in two. NHS/Private. And all the NHS patients wish and hope that they are transferred over into the private half where the care is so much better, SO MUCH BETTER.
One obvious thing is private rooms v public wards. Why aren’t the NHS providing proper rooms on a ward rather than dirty, stained and frayed curtains?
Because the likes of you don’t want their taxes spent on decent public services?
When the rich and powerful kill it off and the average Guido reader is dying in a hell hole of a hospital ward run by an investment bank backed ‘provider’ of primary care. You will wonder why you supported the Tories and their useful idiots like Guido with private health care and nice private hospitals. Meanwhile you will be left with substandard care.
You think it’s bad now, wait til you see what’s coming.
Tell that to the families of the dead that labour killed.
Tell that to other Europeans and others who have a private system and have much better health service. If the NHS is the envy of the world why have none of them copied it?
really it couldn’t be worse than it is now, I was recently in a London teaching hospital ward. Absolutely disgustingly dirty, staffed by idle jobsworths masquerading as nurses when they went “sick” or doing union duties. I’ve been in a third world hospital that qaw better, and where at least some staf spoke English.
Undermining the NHS, ready for US firms to move in?
why do NHS canteens smell like old stables?
Its all in NHS procuremeat.- If its good enough for Tesco…
Today I will be mostly playing Morning Papers by Johann Strauss the Younger.
Do you mean “Mourning papists”?
I will give a considered response to the Mid Staff scandal after I have had my eyeliner and eyelash extensions professionally applied. I need to look good on telly.
Tell you what. Dave’s solution to care at the end of life ain’t no solution.
Having to pay for food and board at first seems reasonable until you look at what these care homes are charging. The truth being that it is cheaper by far to end out your days on a luxury cruise ship where you get 24/7 attention and the best of everything rather than dribbling away in an old folks home.
Costs about the same as well.
At a private care home half a mile from me an elderly gentleman I knew was three months ago served a chicken Pot Noodle for his evening meal. The monthly cost of care was £2,300 payable in advance, no nursing care – off to hospital if ill.
>a luxury cruise ship
Like the Costa Concordia, for example.
A better idea might be to (a) shut the NHS down, then (b) roll back the past 50 years of Gramscian social engineering so that women don’t have to go out to work if they don’t want to; so that families can afford to live together; and so that sons and daughters are on hand to provide “social care” for their elderly parents if need be. Free from funding the NHS, people would be able to afford decent medical attention when needed, and since they wouldn’t be paying up front, they, not the doctors, would call the shots.
Why will this never happen? You already know the answer — it would weaken the grip of the political class.
but put jam in a second hand jar all hell breakes out from the EU
Ha ha, how true, what a fuckin mad house we are living in.
The BBC and the rest of the Left looking media are trying to rewrite history and blame the issues that arose in 2005 to 2010 on current NHS policies.
If the Conservatives do not move quickly, they will succeed, as they have done many time in the past.
You’ve got to be jockin’, thay have got patten the slatern in there and he’s making it happen!
I am very gratified when people say I am almost as good as my hero and role-model John Major.
Dive Dive Dive!
Up to 1200 died unnecessarily. Patients not given water, lying for days in faeces and urine, wrongly diagnosed and sent home etc, etc. Bureaucrats such as Nicholson obsessed with New Labour targets at the expense of proper care.
Involuntary manslaughter through criminal negligence and recklessness is a crime in the U.K. When will the arrests be made?
We do not need a judge-led inquiry. Trust me.
Careful mate .
There are 300,000 fuckers out there who have been perverting the course of justice by fiddling penalty points on their driving licenses.
Do you like your porridge lumpy or runny ?
Tell me why BBC Radio 5 deems it essential that a presenter be flown to Vatican City and conduct live interviews with all and sundry on an obviously pointless jolly. This is a piss-take, bearing inmy mind that the BBC has a “Rome correspondent” already in place.
An old codger in a frock announces his retirement and the BBC starts spending. Same with anything Beckham-related. Why?
Cull time.
Stop fucking paying the tele tax then. Ignore all letters, bin them. If someone turns up at your door tell them you are not the person they are looking for, and that it would be innapropriate to comment further, be polite but close the door.
Some useful links.
http://tinyurl.com/6ckqzva
http://tinyurl.com/d8xbarm
Is Patten a papissed? (Is that how you spell it?)
The NHS is staffed by angels and is a beacon of light in an uncaring world.
saw the Olympic opening ceremony so I know that it is true.
Have Tsars gone out of fashion? One for the NHS, and another for lasagne, problem solved.
As much of the questionable meat is in frozen blocks and lasagne is an Italian dish we need a Freezer Caesar.
Funny how Tom Watson is silent over this. As are Ed Balls, Ed Miliband, Alan Johnson, Harriet Harman, Gordon Brown, Andy Burnham, Hillary Benn, John Prescott, Angela Eagle, Caroline Flint. Actually, the whole of the Labour Party.
Alan Johnson was on telly a few days ago telling us that Nicholson is a brilliantly capable man who has done great work in the NHS.
And how is Mrs Johnson after her unfortunate experiences with that policeman who was provided by the taxpayer to protect her ?
If his remit was to kill over a thousand people, then I suppose yes, he was brilliantly capable
Burnham tweets on 8th Feb that some time early next week he respond to Francis. Yet he writes a vomit inducing article for the healthcare professionals who buy The Guardian within days.
Don’t complain, don’t explain.
and stop reading the Grundina
All of this happened under the last labour government
Why sent those individuals who were responsible for health at that time saying SORRY
Bottom line….
Don’t look to any government or any appointed authority to prevent these scandals.
As always they will blame everybody but themselves…and who are these people?
Why the very same we pay dearly to protect us…..
And if they can’t why have them at all…..
Incompetents to a man and woman!
If Polly’s beloved NHS is so good. Why does she go private?
If Polly is so concerned about the homeless. Why does she live in a million pound mansion and own holiday homes on the continent?
Funniest thing about Polly’s “final solution” hysterics over housing benefit is that she wouldn’t be caught dead living near to, let alone next to, low income households. If Polly was asked to rent out one of the rooms in her houses to a low income family, she’d laugh her head off. Polly, like her mate Billy Bragg, live in upper-middle class areas where kids are sent to private school and households do their shopping at Waitrose. The very idea of Polly being in close proximity to working class families who shop at Iceland or Aldi would make her shudder in revulsion and hop on a plan to Tuscany just to get away from the image.
Look, I’d be back to Barking in a flash, if it weren’t for my poor old ma. It’s the air you see.
Funniest thing about Polly’s “final solution” hysterics over housing benefit is that she wouldn’t be caught dead living near to, let alone next to, low income households. If Polly was asked to rent out one of the rooms in her houses to a low income family, she’d laugh her head off. Polly, like her mate B1lly Bragg, live in upper-middle class areas where kids are sent to private school and households do their shopping at Waitrose. The very idea of Polly being in close proximity to working class families who shop at Iceland or Aldi would make her shudder in revulsion and hop on a plan to Tuscany just to get away from the image.
I cant wait until Saturday when she will be on that BBC News24 panel yet again talking about stuff that only she has a valuable insight on.
Labour’s philosophy-
Do as I say not as I do.
To be genuinely serious, is there any political party in western democracy more thoroughly evil and corrupt to the core than Labour? I say western democracy, but I think are probably some one-party states that probably have less corruption and downright evil individuals than Labour.
{Chicken and pork must be tested next, says head of Britain’s food watchdog}
Thank All ah they’re not checking our ” LAMB”
Shhh….
A lot of what happens in the NHS, Home Care etc is basically a senior management problem, true it is not easy but then again management is more than amply rewarded. A lot of the people who do the nitty gritty basic jobs try their best to do their utmost for patients/clients(new in word), it is also true there are some bad basic workers who let their patients and fellow workers down by not doing the jobs they should have done. I do remember that chap Robinson trying to get doctors and other workers to change the way they worked at a hospital near me, use of theatres and organisation of the employees, boy he had an uphill struggle. Everybody working in an industry knows what needs doing to make it function better not necessarily cost more.
Can I point out that despite the appalling failings at Stafford, the NHS still does a lot of good.
It doesn’t though does it. It receives massive amounts of money and produces below average results from that money with the exception of a few ground breaking cases that they can put in the papers and on the BBC.
If starting from scratch the NHS would be the compulsory health insurance policy that it is paying for private treatment.
No, some people employed by the NHS do good.
Just like some front line Polititions, and some front line council workers, and some front line Police. Yet once a case ends up considered by the unreachable bureaucracy of these institution the person is dead for all they care.
It does provided it doesn’t kill you.
The benefits though are more for government than patient, which is a problem.
The biggest good it does for government is absorb a lot of otherwise idle Labour (hospital workers), provide a way of keeping tabs on people (DNA / Health record databases, influencing longevity), and directly reducing expected life expectancy and social security obligations (redefining disability certifications, killing off the weak / lame / lazy and elderly).
The Mc(ann’s also made use of their untouchable status as ‘doctors’ to great effect.
So if you wish to cover up deaths, yes it does do a lot of good.
When I was young I was buggered by the local priest who is now dead .
When can I have my compensation .
Dear Jonny
I do sympathise with your plight but you must appreciate firstly that you are not alone, secondly these things are very difficult to unravel and thirdly it all takes time .
I suggest you wait patiently until you hear from us.
I will make an order though that in the interim the Catholic Church as security should lodge in Court all deeds relating to their property and other assets.
And while you are at it Judge why do you not make an order that the Devil Dodgers should pay Council Tax like the rest of us?
During the lifetime of this Parliament how much tax has the Catholic Church paid ?
That is the case for the Prosecution your Honour .
It’s called capitalism.
Now fuck off.
It will be essential to have a large presence in Rome for the next few weeks as the British people wait breathlessly for the announcement of a new pope.
Someone should keep a tally:
Rachel Burden Radio five
Jon Sopel BBC TV
How many people in Britain actually give a hoot about a new sky fairy messenger?
If we are going to have to pay for ‘care’ in old age, why not start charging for NHS treatment?
What is the incentive to save if IHT is going to be levied? Give your money to you kids way before you die then they can ‘lend’ it back later if required.
Failing that, scrap CGT to compensate.
What is wrong with Cameron? We can blame Libdums for some things but not everything.
Quite. Food and accommodation charges for all in a NHS hospital are the next logical step. Why should the old be discriminated against?
We can run that for you
The problem with politicians is that they believe money is the answer and only money improves things.
It doesn’t. Money can help but in the main it is culture within that provides either excellence or a load of crap.
It is perfectly possible to have the best education in a wooden hut for a classroom and have a dire education in a shiny PFI mega college. Attitudes count.
I did not go to University for three years to clean bed pans you moron .
Why can’t our politicians be this entertaining?
There’s nothing new of course, so that is why it isn’t a crisis. It is normal behaviour by nurses and others.
Callous indifference has been displayed in NHS hospitals for at least 20 years to my knowledge, when I first experienced it. My father had cancer and was treated abominably. One example, his gums were ‘raw’ and he was in considerable pain as a result. What was he served for breakfast? Kelloggs cornflakes, even if he had wanted to attempt to eat which he didn’t, he couldn’t because the bowl was placed out of his reach anyway. No wonder people die when they shouldn’t.
Corporate manslaughter charges ought to be considered, in addition to charges against individuals. Lock up a few hundreds, maybe that would make the rest of them think.
There can be no change unless there is a massive clearout of the the rest, of the lazy, incompetent and cruel. And yes I am talking about the nurses. Very few of them care, they protest they do, and too many people have trotted out the ‘the nurses were wonderful’ garbage, when they are too brainwashed to see the truth.
The BBC is complicit with its propagandist programmes and comments.
It’s a culture thing within a massive organisation where people are cogs. The ward staff will (most would) have been aware that your father was being given food that he could not cope with but they do not have the power to change it so in the end they just accept it.
When my mother was dying on an NHS ward, she had come to accept that she was going but could not understand why they put her through so much pain. A simple thing like wanting a crap can become a major source of discomfort and indeed severe pain because nurses no longer attend to that sort of thing. At busy times which is most of the time you either wait hours for some low life (that’s how the nurses view them) comes along with a papier mache shit bowl, or you give up and crap your bed. The NHS has lost the plot as to what caring is about.
Soft and puree diets are regularly reviewed for patients, so there was no excuse for your dad to go hungry. Another thing to consider is that patients appetites diminish when they are feeling ill. Do you always want to eat when you’re feeling sick? For very ill patients IV drips are and nasal feeds are put in place as a last resort.
It was all Thatcher’s fault.
The bungling of the Governments response to Mid Staffs is quite simply unbelievable
Dozy Dave needs to
a) Publish the report online immediately and fuck the cost (£87.00 for the report in hard copy means no one ,even in the meedja, has read it)
b) Sack Nicholson by lunchtime (…and send a big message to the bureaucratic imbeciles who run the system).He’ll go to a tribunal and the whole thing will be run again inslow motion
c) Launch a Corporate Manslaughter inquiry with immediate effect
d) Emergency three day debate on the NHS (NuLabia spattered in shit and serves notice on the NHS that its no longer a sacred cow)
e) Stop being statesmanlike and get in amongst them with the bayonet
Foppish OE wanker
Col Madd for Health Minister
Cait Reilly wins court claim that requiring her to work for free at a Poundland store breached laws banning slavery, forced labour – P
Great news ! Back to the sofa. Oh, send me some more money, willya ?
A4e + others will lose contracts – GOOD!.
Where was the NHS when I needed you in the Killing Fields – so much more could have been achieved
Even if I had severe dementia, I wouldnt forget how much I despised Jo Brand.
So let me get this straight.
In just two days Dave has promised.
To tax you more when you die.
To make you pay more before you die.
To do nothing about the appalling treatment the NHS give you as you die.
IMHO spend it while you can if that is Dave’s future for the old.
He’s also returned ‘triumphant’ from the EU, having surrendered an additional half a billion pounds of our money, every year. On top of the £19.2billion we already give the scum. In return for which, we get nothing. Nada. Zip. SFA.
All Hail Dave the Glorious Negotiator! Wish him god-speed in his negotiations on our EU membership.
It seems to me that David Cameron has decided that compicity in the crimes of the NHS is the way ahead. He won’t investigate them properly or punish the guilty, he wants to cover them up and let them carry on. The man is a monster.
Don’t piss about with little foxy woxys – anyone seen the Jackal lately?
Someone please call a taxi for Prime Minister David Cameron !!!
Good morning. The run-up to the Budget looks like it’s going to be a grind for George Osborne. The latest ICM poll for the Guardian gives Labour a whacking lead, and puts them back in front on the economy, a measure the Chancellor’s team liked to remind us remained in their favour. The Tories poll only 29pc (-4pc on January) with Labour on 41pc (+3pc), the 12pt gap is the largest lead since May 2003 and Blair’s Iraq bounce.
And we all know how Blair’s Iraq bounce turned out.
The only “bounce” Prime Minister Cameron will receive is going to be booted out of 10 Downing Street after the Tories fail to win the Eastleigh by election.
That’s a firm prediction from someone who has his finger on the pulse.
And the only WMDs that existed were the ones in Blair’s imagination.
But, hey! The war only killed 150,000 civilians, eh? Mere stats. 150,000 men, women and children. Killed by Labour. And the body-count continues to rise daily.
How do you live with yourself? Continuing to support Labour. Labour: the lying murder party, with the blood of 150,000+ men, women and children splattered all over it. And all over its supporters.
And then we get to the NHS, slaughtering – under Labour – thousands of British working class. Labour were warned, but chose to do nothing. After all, the dead were only stats, eh?
,, and not a shot will be fired in Afghan houndstan
That was only after Tory Blair and mates took over the Labour Party. As for Right-wing Tories or UKIP – they really don’t give a flying-duck about the working class.
Nice cutting and pasting. 10/10 for basic computer skills.
The Conservative led coalition want us to work for nothing, eat crap, mislabelled meat and have our education system + NHS ruined.
I’m in the mood to give Dave a hammering at PMQ’s tomorrow.
IT was never like this under Liebour.
++++Laugh+++++bullyballs with his ‘every child matters’ policy ruined education when he was Education minister and burnham did the same for the nhs when he was health minister – stafford is the tip of the iceberg and rotten right back to the core of labour’s 13 years!
Plus there are quite a few “Trusts” – that word cannot possibly be applicable here – now coming under the microscopes.
You are so right Guido.
Saturday evening had a Tesco Bolagnase and it was nice.
Read this morning that it was horse meat. So what it was still nice.
The NHS is killing and torturing thousands, so what does Labour and its BBC mouthpiece bang on about? My good tasting Spag Bol, that’s what they bang on about and ignore the NHS death camps.
Please let us know if you are still alive by Saturday evening.
Ooh mooded! Try again; Please inform the readership if you are still functioning by Sun day morning
Ah, that worked – wonder what the hitch was?
Hmmm who was it that signed away UK rights to Quality Control of meat etc to the EU? – It couldn’t have been labour could it?
And who was it pushed Stafford over the edge by insisting they had to go for Trust Status based on financial considerations rather than quality of care? – Not labour again surely ??!!
If Labour’s supporters can be in total denial of that Party’s pivotal role in the murder of 150,000+ men, women and children in a war founded on Labour’s lies, if they can bury their heads in the sand and not see Labour’s leadership soaked in the blood of innocent civilians, they can certainly ignore their dear Party’s role in the contaminated meat scandal, a mass fraud to which tens of millions of people in this country fell victim, and the their beloved NHS’s slaughter of thousands of ordinary working class Britons.
And your point is?
Stated clearly above..
It’s Snowing! I blame the Labour Party.
Labour’s record.
Blair – Liar and Murderer.
Brown – Liar
Burnham and Johnson – Incompetent and responsible for hundreds of deaths.
Labour are scum.
No, Blair’s New Labour was scum.
Look, I’m Labour, I’m a Northerner and I love football. People vote for me because I’m not a Southern Tory posh boy. We made the prisons soft and the hospitals tough.
Well done, Guido. Don’t let this one rest.
David Nicholson, Martin Yeates et al should all be under investigation by the police. Quite how the Government can give “full confidence” in people who presided over years of cruel and unusual punishment says all about the callousness and uncaring attitudes of political parties. Too busy protecting their friends.
David Nicholson should be made to drink dirty water from a vase and sit in his own waste for days on end.
In the old days, he would have done the honourable thing and locked himself in a room with a glass of brandy and a handgun.
This problem goes way beyond the NHS, it’s a general problem in the whole of UK society where people don’t stand up for their own basic rights, or the rights of their relatives.
People who do care don’t seem to have the balls to stand up to the people who don’t care, and THAT is the root cause of this problem.
The problem is not caused by people who don’t care who are doing a shit job, it’s caused by people who do care just standing by and doing fuck all about it.
As an example, if your wife goes into labour, even when the contractions are just a couple of minutes apart, then when you get to hospital you’ll be told to piss off and come back again when the baby’s head is just about to poke out. You’ll have countless doctors and nurses telling you that this is “standard” and “safe” and that you have to follow their procedures. Most people accept that and walk away, thereby allowing their wife to be at risk of god knows how many complications and potentially death to the mother and the baby. I’ve seen this happen loads of times, and they tried to do the same thing with my wife too.
However, when it happened to me, I stood up to them, and that’s what other people need to do. I simply stood my ground and told them if they wanted to kick my wife out of hospital then they’ll have to call the police and get them to physically drag her off the premises kicking and screaming along with me. They knew I was serious, so they let her stay.
DON’T give these fuckers a choice, stand up to them and TELL them how it’s going to be, and if they don’t accept what you tell them then call the police, or, if it’s a lack of pain relief then break into their fucking cupboards to get some pain relief for your relative.
How can people say “they wouldn’t feed my relative, who nearly starved” ? For fuck’s sake, grow some balls, shout and scream at the fucking nurses and the managers, and don’t fucking leave the building until the police arrive and you tell them that the staff are starving your relative to death.
You HAVE to stand up for yourself and your relatives, stop being a bunch of fucking doormats.
Spot on. Too many people in this country who don’t stick up for themselves.
My wife was in Basildon hospital for three days awaiting a scan for possible DVT – life threatening. Ultrasound were forever giving excuses. Finally, I made a scene and amazingly something happened that day. Maternity, to their credit, were fantastic but Ultrasound were clearly fobbing them off.
When I got to Ultrasound we were the only people there and my wife’s scan was delayed because one of the nurses had popped out to get milk. The receptionist looked half-asleep. The word “lazy” comes go midn.
You don’t have to be aggressive but you do have to be assertive. Swear or be aggressive and the NHS actually label “agressive” under your record.
If it’s your loved one then stand up for them! If I’d discovered my wife had had to drink vase water through dehydration then the police would have been called.
Indeed, I think the key thing is to make sure that they know that you’re not giving them a choice, it also works better if you smile whilst doing it (even if it is through gritted teeth).
When my wife got told to go back home after being in labour for almost 5 days with no sleep and no pain relief, I just smiled at the doctor and said words along the lines of:
“mate, I’m not having a debate with you about this, I’m not discussing whether or not you’re going to admit her. I’m simply telling you that she’s staying here in this bed and in this room and she’s going to get pain relief and a consultant to see her in the next hour. This is not a debate. This is simply going to happen, or the police get called right now.”
And you can imagine the CEOs like Yeates and Nicholson hiding away in their air-conditioned offices like the cowards they are, counting all their gold pension money while their overworked, unappreciated staff are the ones having to deal with their ridiculous instructions.
Unbelievable that Yeates was too stressed to appear at the findings but not stressed enough to take on a full-time job at a charity. Hopefully he’ll get sued to oblivion or (even better) be at her Majesty’s pleasure in a few years time.
These two definitely deserve the “Four Feathers” treatment – hopefully in public in front of the cameras.
4 feathers – complete with 4 buckets of boiling tar?
What a (web)site for sore eyes.
Tax avoiding, EU hating, Little Englanders. Working class, unemployed and disabled haters – that would still have them working for nothing. Attackers of the NHS – ready for it to be sold off. Lying Tory Bs, and kick them out UKIP.