January 17th, 2013

LibDems: Now is the Time for a Real In/Out Referendum
Flashback to Damning Leaflet From 2010


  1. 1
    DT says:

    Any Lib Dem, Labour or Conservative EU fanatic – name just one benefit to Britains membership of the EU.


    • 4
      V1le Labour ruined my Country says:

      A substantial benefit will be the 10 million Bulgarian and Romanian benefit claimants on their way here soon!


      • 9
        Nick Clegg and every othe LibDem dishonestly says:

        Yes, yes, but you don’t understand. Just like with student loans, we were never supposed to be held to our promises because we were never supposed to be in government. Opposition is what we do – please don’t expect us to have honest policies!


    • 27
      Raving Loon says:

      Free NHS and housing if you’re a Romanian immigrant? Oh, you mean us? Er…sorry I’ll have to get back to you on that one.


      • 116
        Bulgarian mafia boss says:

        I am not interested in your benefts.
        I am interested in establishing a Bulgarian chapter of the Bulgarian mafia in the UK under women trafficking, drugs, night clubs, violence, extortion etc.


    • 70
      Picks up the Gauntlet says:

      Cute if feisty Polish birds?


    • 95
      Anonymous says:


  2. 2
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    In ?

    Out ?

    Shake it all about ?


  3. 3
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    If it were not for the Clegg Banking dynasty fortune Nick could not get elected as a Student Union Ents Sec.

    Taking the costs of the EU into account (we wish) & the fact that the electorate have been consistently & constantly lied to by the political class of all hues how anyone can say the Euroepan Union has been good for the people of this country is beyond contempt.

    We had our sovereign Parliament and our country stolen from us without a shot being fired.

    We want it back.

    Vote UKIP.


  4. 5
    George says:

    Shame it wasn’t Nick Clegg.


  5. 6
    Vote UKIP says:

    UKIP are the only party to have a consistent policy on Europe.


    • 31
      Britain the ruined country says:

      Talking of having a/any policy – listening to Ed Milliband is just like being invited to a house that is empty when you get there.


      • 93
        Anonymous says:

        Who do you think will oust Milliband before the election ? not much choice i know.


        • 117
          Pundit too too says:

          Fortunately the Labour Party have a long history of putting up with 3rd rate “leaders” and never having revolutions; though as died in the wool hypocrites they advocate others to make revolution.


  6. 7
    David B says:

    Bring it on!


  7. 8
    duncanstott says:

    That leaflet’s not from 2010. #guidofail


    • 10
      Nick Clegg and every other LibDem dishonestly says:

      And when was it then? 2009 perhaps?


      • 13
        Nick Clegg and every other LibDem dishonestly says:

        Perhaps it was 2008 – it can’t have been any earlier – Cleggover wasn’t elected until the end of 2007. #dishonestlibdems


      • 14
        duncanstott says:

        It was uploaded to the Lib Dem campaign site ourcampaign.org.uk on 28 Feb 2008. Nearly 5 years ago, around the time of the Lisbon treaty acceptance.


        • 21
          Nick Cleggover says:

          And at what point was any change in policy announced? It was in the 2010 manifesto, iirc. #dishonestlibdems


          • duncanstott says:

            “Liberal Democrats therefore remain committed to an in/out referendum the next time a British government signs up for a fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU.”


          • Anonymous says:

            Your not very bright are you Duncan?


        • 22
          Vote UKIP says:

          Wasn’t this at a time of even bigger doubts about the British (and global) economy than there is now? So what has changed other than the LibDem’s flip-flop minds?


      • 26
        WoRaft says:

        Going by the very flattering picture of Clegg it must have been 1987.

        ‘There is simply not a shred of patriotism or gratitude in me’ said Clegg ‘despite the fact that I’ve done very nicely out of fetching up here rather than any of the other godforsaken spots my family come from. That’s why I’m a Liberal.’


        • 107
          lojolondon says:

          Yes, that photo was taken in the heady days when it was all liberal-student life sex and booze and no responsibilities / having to do what you promised etc.

          One good thing about politics, the biggest liars get well aged by it – all the stress of being caught out, you see. Classic examples are Bliar, Brown and K-legg.

          Cameron, on the other hand is SUCH a big liar that he doesn’t even realise he lied – hence no stress – hence babyface.


  8. 11
    Casual Observer says:

    ‘In Europe we can get real action to tackle climate change. We can work together to tackle the threat of terrorism and crime. We can deliver a stronger economy for Britain.’


    i) Climate change is over: politically. Kyoto dead, Gore sold out to Qatar, temperature is cooling, and the Univ of East Anglia release shows the science was seriously bent. Let nature get on with what it does, and there should be zero tax on that.

    ii) Threats of terrorism and crime: Crime is down overall, terrorism was never a real threat. How can Europe tackle a threat ?

    There is a possibility that UK would be subject to European terrorism if we left. That can be dealt with through NATO if required.

    iii) We have seen the economy of Britain tank, alongside Europe since 2007. Europe cannot deliver a good economy for Britain and moreover it doesn’t have any mandate or motivation to do so anyway.

    Now: Where is the referendum ?


  9. 12
    Owen Jones says:

    I don’t see what all the fuss is about Tesco burgers containing 29% horse meat.

    I’m more concerned about David Cameron containing 100% bullshit.


  10. 15
    Phillipe Flop says:

    Now I can’t buy Tesco burgers I’m going to try their meatballs. Apparently they are the dogs bollocks!


  11. 17
    Mornington Crescent says:

    Global warming’s going well today: it took 20 mins to get the car defrosted this morning and 104 feet of snow are forecast to fall tonight.


    • 36
      Derbyshire man says:

      Only 104feet? When I were a lad, we used to get 200 feet, and have to get up at 4am to walk the 16 miles to school over t’moors.


      • 56
        Solly says:

        When I was a lad we had to take it in turns to visit the school. We only had one wooden leg between seventeen of us.


        • 122
          Big Momma says:

          Yesterday was the first time I have seen a pub crowd collectively shout at BBC TV over their constant doom and gloom snow, snow, snow, weather forecasts.
          You would think it was the end of the world the way the BBC go on and on and on.


    • 43
      Santa says:

      I’d have used my sleigh, but the pony went missing when I parked it outside Tescos


    • 68
      you couldn't make it up says:

      All my drought resistant plants have either died or been washed away


    • 90
      Fuckwitwatch UK says:

      Fuckwit. It’s winter. If you want warming look at Australia where they’ve had to add two new colours to their weather charts because it’s so fucking hot.

      Defrost your car with hot water. It works.


  12. 18
    The Stilon Eater says:

    A real referendum and a fake politician.

    The Lib Dems make Tesco’s burger factory look honest.


  13. 19
    rebekah aka nellnewman says:

    If cameron should offer an in/out choice referendum tomorrow it will leave libdems and labour on the back foot. And if he doesn’t he leaves himself in a nasty hole.

    Going to be an interesting speech.


    • 57
      Anon UKIP Voter..... says:

      CM DDD smoke & mirror offer, if any, will be more pie in the sky for 2030 &

      beyond ! Being open & honest is something spineless Dave doe’s not do….

      never has & never will

      As for Millietwerp the Minor is he even aware that its now 2013 ?


  14. 20
    old SHEP says:

    A real referendum on Europe?, is that a referendum that is not a figment of somebodies imagination, a very happy unbirthday to you all.


  15. 25
    lojolondon says:

    The LimpDims are neither Liberal nor Democratic. They are going one way – down!


  16. 28
    ONE NATION! says:

    from the Newsletter

    NI Labour chief accuses party of discrimination

    By Sam McBride
    Published on Wednesday 16 January 2013 18:57

    THE head of the Labour Party in Northern Ireland has accused his own party of discrimination after the party ruled out allowing its members to stand for election in the province.

    The party’s Ulster members — thought to number around 300 — have fought a long campaign with their own party leadership in London in an attempt to be allowed to contest seats in Northern Ireland.

    However, it has emerged that Labour’s ruling National Executive Council (NEC) voted on Tuesday night to maintain the ban on Labour members in Northern Ireland standing for election.

    The decision reinforces the long-standing anomaly that despite Labour being a unionist party in the rest of the UK it endorses the nationalist SDLP in Northern Ireland.

    A leaked report obtained by the Belfast Telegraph showed that although in public SDLP leader Alasdair McDonnell had said he was relaxed about Labour contesting council elections, in private the SDLP’s MPs had told Labour that to do so would be “a hostile act”.

    Boyd Black, Labour’s secretary in Northern Ireland, told the News Letter that it was “not the result that we wanted” and said that he was “disappointed”.

    The academic said: “We would consider that to be a neglect of its political responsibility to develop the Labour Party politics throughout the state. The party is continuing to deny us our fundamental democratic rights in a discriminatory way.

    “We will remain unable to vote for the party that aspires to govern us and which if successful in the next General Election will set virtually all of our taxes and determine the level of our public services or benefits so we are effectively disenfranchised.

    “It is ironic that on the same day that the NEC report was issued — yesterday — Tom Watson MP, Labour’s campaign manager, circulated all Labour Party members in Northern Ireland asking for financial contributions to the Labour Party’s General Election campaign.”

    Dr Black said that Mr Watson’s letter said that the letter said that Labour was “fighting for fairness in the north, south, east and west – in Scotland and in Wales. There will be no ‘no-go’ areas for Labour.”

    Dr Black said that there was no real way that the decision could be challenged until after the next General Election when the party has to formally review the decision.

    “It’s final up to the next General Election,” he said.

    However, Dr Black welcomed another decision to come out of the party executive, which will see the creation of a council for Labour for Ireland, with the Labour Party in Northern Ireland, Labour in the Republic of Ireland and the SDLP.

    Northern Ireland Conservative Bill Manwaring accused Labour of “abandoning” people in Northern Ireland and failing to support the Union.

    The former Ulster Unionist said: “It’s pretty rich for [shadow secretary of state] Vernon Coaker to pontificate about how the Government should respond to disorder in Northern Ireland when his party is not even prepared to stand candidates in elections here.

    “In fact the Labour Party prefers to support the SDLP, a party committed to a united Ireland, rather than offer voters here a UK, centre-left platform.”


  17. 34
    Owen Jones"The Cheekie Chappie" says:

    I wonder what they put in Tesco’s Cock a Leeky soup.


  18. 35
    Gordon Brown says:

    I talked about giving the people a ref on any new treaties, but thought it better to carry on blitzing the UK economy, because i know best.


  19. 40
    Getting on with the jobby says:

    Remember, it all started in America, and if ut wasn’t them, it was Alkie-Ada.


  20. 42
    Vote UKIP says:

    The only argument the Lib Dem/Labour numpties can manage against a referendum is that it will lead to uncertainty for the next 6 years and we should concentrate on the economy.

    First thing is that there is already a lot of uncertainty over Europe and Eurozone member’s continual inability to sort out the crisis they have created for themselves.

    Second thing is that a referendum (in the next two years, which a more honest PM could deliver) and coming out of Europe will remove the uncertainty and allow us to make better trade agreements with the rest of the world which are now forbidden to us. This will help our economy.

    Thirdly by being able to decide for ourselves our own employment and business laws will help our economy while the rest of bureuacracy-loving Europe will continue to decline.

    Then there’s not small matter of the ten billions of pounds or so that we will save every single year by not being in the EU.

    It’s really a no-brainer.


    • 46
      Casual Observer says:

      For every pound put into Europe / year, how much does the UK get back ?

      Has that question been answered – or even directly asked ?


      • 51
        rebekah aka nellnewman says:

        Well no money comes back directly of course but £hundreds of thousands come back in pensions and expenses to the kinnochios and mandy so I guess that gets spent in wales and redistributes eu money a bit – what more do you want ?!


        • 64
          Casual Observer says:

          Well – what would be good to know is:

          I put GBP 1 in, do I get back (indirectly or otherwise) GBP 1.50 or GBP 0.50 – for example.

          By your analysis, if Billion’s put in get only hundreds of thousands back, that sounds like a order of > 1% return on the investment.

          One thing we do not see in UK is many EU built roads etc. or anything which suggests that there is a reasonable rate of return for the investment put in. All there does seem to be is a loss of sovereignty and problems deporting terrorists.


          • That's the way to do it says:

            But we get lots of lovely free blue starry flags to fly! And similarly designed bumper stickers for our cars. Good value if you ask me.


    • 77
      The Public says:

      There is no need for six years of uncertainty. They can have a vote next month.


  21. 45
    Fish 'n' Chips says:

    Save the fish, and the whales.

    Kill the CFP.


  22. 47
    Anonymous says:

    The liblabcons are all fucking traitors and fucking liars.

    Regime change, guillotine the bastards, get out of the EU, send the foreigners home.


  23. 48
    Liberal with the Truth says:

    Fact. The Liberals promised everything and the Kitchen sink believing that they would never have to deliver one promise.

    Which in other words makes them hypocrites and Liars.


  24. 53
    Casual Observer says:

    Love Andrew Neil’s tie in the vid – very subtle :-)


  25. 55
    Pished Again says:


  26. 59
    BBC Question Time says:

    Don’t forget to join us on QT tonight, from Lincoln, where our hand-picked lefty audience will be joined by: Tory bastard Grant Shapps (or whatever his name is).

    For balance, though, we will also have Caroline Flint (Lefty Labour), Dr Mary Beard Lefty Weirdo), Roland Rudd (Champaign Lefty Europhile) and Nigel Farage (Ol’ swivel eyes).

    As always QT will be chaired by Lefty Beeboid, David Dimbleby.


    • 67
      The BBC causes serious mental illness says:

      Sounds like a straight to iPlayer edition, so can fast forward to the bits with the Tory and Nigel, and ignore the audience / lefty nonsense.


    • 80
      simon r says:

      Listened to it on the radio last week – they cheered Harriet H to the rafters and booed the financial non political guy that tore into labours mismanagement of the economy.

      They also jeered at Simon Huges when he dared to citicise labour and literally hissed at Rifkind


  27. 66
    Egyptian Pharoe says:

    I think that Schapps and farage will ream them especially that total weirdo Beard


  28. 71
    EU Watch says:

    The real point with in / out is security.

    The prime objective of the EU, irrespective of anything else, is to preserve peace and security within Europe.

    Why is the obvious question not being asked: Is keeping the peace now more expensive than war ?

    One would suspect the economics are letting us know the answer to that one.

    Voting out would be a good idea, followed by a serious inward investment in defense, a somewhat Keynesian solution for the quagmire the UK has been dragged into.


    • 101
      That's the way to do it says:

      … and there was us thinking that was NATO’s job which has SFA to do with the EU. Well, whooda think it?


    • 106
      Anonymous says:

      Everybody on here on this topic seems nice today, can i ask a silly question because i genuinely want to know. Could we cope if we left the EU,and would the countrry be better off ? thanks.


  29. 75

    That’ll be another broken promise then …


  30. 78
    U kip and I'll kip says:

    Never had any time for any of them but though he may be weirdy and beardy, Huppert has an IQ greater than the combined IQ of the rest of the Commons.


  31. 79
    Tarquin says:

    Brillo. I think you were thoroughly nasty and boorish towards Julian.


  32. 81
    Jimmy says:

    Brillo went a little easy there but I thought Jeffrey Fairbrother (I’m guessing) got him nicely at the end.


  33. 82
    All MPs are scum says:

    Lying deceitful b******s. In short they are politicians.


  34. 83
    Long John Silver's parrot says:

    I remember living in pre EEC Britain.

    Prior to 1976 I had never seen a real peach .

    I always thought such things came in tins .

    Are you going to bring these things back Mr Cameron plus good old foreign exchange controls .
    Please let us know in your speech

    I remain your subservient servant .


  35. 89
    Anonymous says:

    Lib Dems not carrying out their manifesto promises – wonder if that was because they didn’t form a government but are in a coalition. Bit subtle for the numpties on here


  36. 97
    (I don't need no doctor) says:

    Sad I know, but I am just listening to BBC Parliament. Why do the labour MPs shout and act so aggressively. Do they have mental issues.


  37. 108
    • 109
      Jane Birkin from Paris says:

      I told you ages ago Hollande was a half wit.

      Earlier today he came out with this gem :

      ” The best thing to say is as little as possible ” .


  38. 110
    HenryV says:

    Is it my imagination or as well comments being moderated somebody is actually searching through comments and deleting that may have slipped through the net?


  39. 112
    The savant10.4 highway patrol says:

    Has rebekah with a. K. Been. Indicted. Yet !??


  40. 114
    Anonymous says:

    Brillo really does reach the parts of political debate that others fail to reach.

    If only the useless Marr (nothing personal, hope he recovers), Paxo, the Dimblebums and all the rest did their homework as well as Brillo.


  41. 121
    FlipC says:

    Pedantic point – we’ve never had a referendum regarding membership of the European Union – we had one regarding our joining of the Common Market, which was about unifying trade agreements not political ones.


  42. 123
    Mark Wouters says:

    As Im on beefits ,when i seek legal Advice or go to a solicitor By Benefits end a coincidence ? NO im followed about by the fascist scumbags of the DWP and they stop my benefits so i cannot take legal action.


  43. 124
    Hannah says:

    The manifesto states:

    “Liberal Democrats therefore remain
    committed to an in/out referendum the next time a British government signs
    up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU.”


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