January 15th, 2013

Section 5 Victory in Sight

Guido will believe it when he sees the devil in the detail but it sounds like the Home Office are starting to realise that the game is up when it comes to Section 5 of the Public Order Act – the law that says you cannot offend people. Campaign group Big Brother Watch report:

“Speaking as the Crime and Courts Bill returned to the Commons for its second reading, the Home Secretary confirmed the Government would accept Lord Dear’s amendment to the legislation and support amending the Public Order Act 1986 to remove the word ‘insulting’ from Section 5 of the Act.

This is a triumph for David Davis MP, Peter Tatchell, Rowan Atkinson, the Reform Section 5 campaign and all those who like Big Brother Watch supported the campaign – from the National Secular Society to the Christian Institute.”

It only took the government a year to respond to the public consultation.

UPDATE:


118 Comments

  1. 1
    Vote Yes to The UK ,No to The EUSSR says:

    I fear this predicted outbreak of common sense will just be temporary. The lawyers will see to that I can assure you.

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    • 12
      T'Old Fella says:

      They should have qualified the word “insult” ie if the insult is done provocatively to cause a disturbance of the peace, not telling a copper that they are riding a gay horse, even that I suppose leaves the door open, oh bin it fpr goodness sake.

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      • 30
        Anonymous says:

        I don’t understand why police want to waste resource and time on some thing like this which are minor offences even if its a offence.

        I was beaten up by a thug on the high street, there were 3 witness but police didn’t do anything. They weren’t able to catch the thug without CCTV.

        In a way now I have started to support cuts this government are implementing as it seems police are just wasting resources on very very minor offences or mistakes done by decent people and ignoring major offences.

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        • 38
          Filth says:

          Kiddie porn has been downloaded to your computer.

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          • MB. says:

            I don’t think most mind then getting people involved in kiddie porn but there was a case reported in Aberdeen last week where someone had their car stolen. Police did nothing so the owner went on the Internet and posted messages asking for sightings. There is a gang there who have a webpage where they brag about cars they have stolen. The owner made some comments about the police so they visited them and examined their computer, warning them not to criticise the thieves! Of course the police made no attempt to track down the thieves through their website. The car was found abandoned and torched.

            “Car theft victim hits out after SHE receives warning from police for abusing thieves on Facebook”

            http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/car-theft-victim-hits-out-1525135

            “xxxxxx xxxx ended up on the wrong side of the law after police said her furious comments about the thieves on the site were “offensive”.”

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          • Anonymous says:

            MB, she was lucky she wasn’t persecuted for offending the thieves.

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          • CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

            Police are now part of the (establishment only) security services.

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        • 67
          Bluto says:

          Wedge. Edge. Thin.

          These laws and the police/CPS obsession with them have paved the way for the suppression and control of dissidents (soon to be known by the catch all “extremists”), and for whatever future those dissidents might object to and in whichever way.

          The police are no longer the public – being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen – but are now the enforcement arm of the political ideology of the state’s bureaucratic apparatus.

          Their primary watch and ward duties have now transferred from street crime to what people might look at, write, say and think. Their posture has become paramilitary, aggressive and confrontational, their use of force routine and often unnecessary. Their understanding of and respect for our common law non-existent.

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      • 33
        Butch Dave says:

        The Good news keeps coming!

        Food prices racing ahead again for the Plebs!

        Gas, electricity prices up again for the scum plebs!

        Air fares down for the Elite’s five-longhaul-holidays-a-year! although we don’t pay obviously anyway – the plebs do!

        Temperatures down again, thanks to Global Warming and green taxes, killing off thousands of indigenous white scum, meaning less pension payouts, and more taxes for bankers’ bailouts and bonuses!

        And to prove how well UK is doing under my leadership compared to collapsing Europe, news this morning that Germany has a budget surplus, and 0.9% growth in 2012, once again showing the Krauts are stuck in the past, saving money, and making things, and should be embracing Debt is Wealth credo of the New Bankers Order!

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        • 49
          Anonymous says:

          As things are I will vote Labour in the next election just to get rid of this lot. As this lot hasn’t got a clue as to how to grow the economy and improve living standards.

          But I support most cuts as, most of the government jobs in civil service, councils, etc are just there to make peoples life more miserable. For most people only useful service council does is to collect rubbish.

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          • jacky Treehorn says:

            Anyone that votes Labour is a mentalist. Please think before posting

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          • No, not your Grandchildren but your Great, Great Grandchildren. says:

            That is going to be expensive! Do you have the money to pay the bill or are you going to borrow the money again?

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        • 54
          T'Old Fella says:

          Butch, many a word written in jest, but true

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        • 71
          Anonymous says:

          Cameron if very green. He used to rid a bicycle to house of commons, follwed by a car with his suit.

          When he became PM rather than using the Jag Brown used he got a new Jag for £200,000.

          Cameron should start cutting waste at home first. US has a population of nearly 313 million and it central government has less than 400 elected members (Senate, Congress and President). In UK our population is around 56m, we have 650 MPs plus 1,000 odd Lords.

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      • 58
        Anonymous says:

        There are lots of these words creeping in.

        Try “intimidate”. One example phase of its use is “You shouldn’t allow his reputation to intimidate you”. The referenced person does no action at all. It is a perceived idea of a person that is doing the intimidation. So the fault is with the one who believes there is a problem.

        However, its use in laws and rules does not distinguish between the intended criminal intimidating actions and intimidation by beliefs. Just because someone is 7′ is not a crime. Police should not taser them because of a physical difference. It is not a crime that someone is good at their job. So stop using these unqualified words and start learning how to make laws again.

        Another legacy of the EU; the inability of the UK to make sensible laws.

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        • 74
          Bluto says:

          Yes, part of the “victim” culture, the subjective test of criminality. The undermining of the concept of mens rea – the guilty mind or intent – and its replacement by the concept of subjective offence. If I am offended then the offence has occurred. The state of the “offender’s” guilty intent is in my mind rather than that of the “offender” and is absolute. No defence is possible or necessary.

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        • 77
          This is the dawning of the age of fuckwittery says:

          The rot really set in when the MacPherson report came out with an illconcieved and vague definition of a Racist incident ie ANY incident that ANYONE perceives to be racist ie a man walking in the rain without an umberalla could be deemed as racist by someone sitting in their house in Colorado who hears about it

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      • 108
        Latimer Alder says:

        Plenty of other legislation already there to cover that eventuality, je crois.

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  2. 2
    Chuck M Orlout says:

    I find myself offended every time a member of the LibLabCon opens their mouth.

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      A former member of the Conservative Party says:

      This is presumably why Cameron’s getting rid of the law. I mean, he calls Conservatives “fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists” for not adoring his beloved EU. Likewise the arsehole we’ve got as Deputy PM, who never hesitates to call right-minded people “bigots”.

      These are insults, and – as it presently stands – illegal. Cameron can either stop breaking the law by ending the insults he directs at his party’s dwindling number of supporters, or scrap the law that could land him in the dock, and carry on hurling abuse. He’s decided on the latter.

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  3. 3
    Keitho says:

    Let’s hope. The legislation is an insanity but then again so are many of our representatives.

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  4. 4
    PC Idiot says:

    I’m insulted!

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  5. 5
    T'Old Fella says:

    Dave will be Dave, “It only took the government a year to respond to the public consultation.”

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  6. 7
    I'm glad Bin Laden is dead says:

    The Guardian are calling for a boycott of the film Zero Dark Thirty because they claim it justifies the use of torture on terror suspects, which the makers deny. When The Guardian demand a film should be boycotted, you know it has to be worth seeing.

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    • 17
      T'Old Fella says:

      They could make a film, a true version, of the “Gunpowder Plot” and all the tortures that were favoured in those days, all the characters including the watchman a minor participant in the plot but the one who was tortured who cracked under torture and gave the game away. They could also even it up by a film of The Inquisition through the years and what they did to folks who they denouced as heretics. At least our noble politicians do that nowasays, do they?

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    • 22
      Unintended consequence says:

      I’d never heard of it, but I’ve just checked and it’s got 7.7 out of 10 on IMDB, so downloading it now.

      You’d think the Graudian would have learned from the BBC’s experience of banning songs, like The Sex Pistols’ “God Save the Queen” and Frankie Goes to Hollywood’s “Relax”, which both ended up at number 1, thanks to the publicity.

      But no.. left-wing scum are incapable of learning anything, ever.

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    • 102
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

      Tis a Hollyweird History film though. Probably one to be avoided.

      Torture did get some good info out of a few, including the name of Osamas courier.

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    • 110
      Casual Observer says:

      It’s a piece of crap part contributed by the CIA: Not worth seeing.

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  7. 8
    3Para says:

    This law was based on EU Napoleonic statute anyway – there is no way it should ever have made it to become UK Law.

    Die Spiegel warning Britain today that there will be “consequences” for leaving – sounds like a threat.

    Lock & load – the only way we are leaving the EU is via armed struggle.

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    • 10
      Tory Feeling Betrayed says:

      Yes, very good consequences for us!

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      • 26
        Angeladolf Merkelhitler says:

        Ja! If you Britishcher schweinhunds leave der EU, zen ve in der Fatherland vill hav to increase our EU membership contribution by nearly £20 billion britischer schweinhund pounds every year! Mein Gott! NEIN!

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    • 76
      JabbaTheCat says:

      What exactly are you going to lock and load, a catapult?

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  8. 8
    Just testing says:

    Does that mean we can say that been qu33r isn’t normal. That it is a perverted and disgusting act and those who practice it should be castrated?

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    • 19
      Anonymous says:

      You failed with the last part. Up to then they were your beliefs. The last part attacked them, and converted your statement to a hate rant.

      So try again, without the hate and threats to others. Your opposition’s very existence seems to be essential for your own existence!

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      • 88
        Just testing says:

        Not bothered personally, but preferred the seventies. Seems you can’t do or say anything anymore without people taking offence.

        I may not have had half of what I have now but at least I had desire and a sense of worth. Seems the only empowered people today are the people who wouldn’t have passed the wheat/chaff exam.

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        • 103
          CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

          If your sense of self worth comes from wanting to harm others then you probably need to seek mental help urgently.

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  9. 11
    Sandra in Accounts says:

    Dope dealing Will Straw, son of a war criminal, grandson of a coward states that Britain will lose “2.25%” of GDP if we leave the EU.

    Utter bollocks.

    How do the annointed children of the political elite who wish to follow their parents onto the gravy train get away unchallenged on the BBC when they spout this utter nonsense?

    The BBC NEVER challenges the EU fanatics when they spew out this idiotic propaganda.

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    • 41
      T. P. Fuller says:

      Answer: the BBC takes money from the EU. He who pays the piper, etc.

      You can do your bit, though, Stop paying the telly-tax,

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    • 43
      T'Old Fella says:

      “How do the annointed children of the political elite who wish to follow their parents onto the gravy train get away unchallenged………..” Quite right Sandy Liebore, Cons a lot of them seem to have had daddies who were MPs and seem to have found nice safe seats, parachuted in, and jobbes for life, some even have Grand daddies who were MPs, that should stop, at lastthey should have been doing a real job for 25/30 years before becoming an MP

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    • 104
      CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

      So we can in reality expect a large boost to GDP from leaving the EUSSR (mostly from a reduced amount of skimming by the politically connected).

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  10. 13
    Anonymous says:

    Well they can all just fuck off!

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  11. 14
    Gordon Brown says:

    Can I be head of the IMF? If not, the EMF? If not, the DFS? Or the KLF?

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  12. 15
    Jeffrey Howard Archer says:

    I was pretty sure that horse was gay but I couldn’t risk another conviction with my record.

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  13. 20
    Kieth Vaz says:

    Pakistan’s supreme court has ordered the arrest of Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf in connection with a corruption case, Reuters reports.

    I’m off to help.

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  14. 21
    Kieth Vaz says:

    Kieth Vaz says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    January 15, 2013 at 10:00 am
    P4kistan’s supreme court has ordered the arrest of Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf in connection with a corruption case, Reuters reports.

    I’m off to help.

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  15. 25

    I would suggest that Guido really wants to see the detail rather than the devil within it…

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  16. 29
    s.s. says:

    When I saw the headline, “Section 5″ and “Victory” My heart went all a flutter as to me section 5 means firearms Pistols, Semi-Auto Rifles, Automatic, Selective Firearms, Hoping they Would be reintroduced to the U.K.
    Now back to depression. Sod it.

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  17. 32
    R Swiper says:

    On the Today programme this morning. Nick Clegg v Justin Webb. Radio’s equivalent of a wet teeshirt bitch fight.

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    • 62
      Anonymous says:

      Clegg keeps spouting this unchallenged nonsense about British uncertainty over EU membership having a “chilling” effect on our jobs.

      Has he not seen the footage of riots in Greece and Spain or read the appalling jobless figures throughout the Eurozone?

      Whatever problems we may have over here- they pale into insignificance compared to what those poor sods are going through thanks to Clegg’s beloved EU.

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  18. 34
    British Riders go to the wall for their horses. says:

    Sorry Guido but if someone calls my horse gay, he is not offending me, he is offending my horse. And as my horse is unable to speak for himself and is trained not to kick I have no choice but to defend my horse’s good name.

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  19. 39
    Ray Babbitt says:

    As a mostly non-vocal autistic person unable to accomplish simple tasks, I found Mr Bean to be quite offensive. People like me are not to be ridiculed. It is no wonder Rowan Atkinson was opposed to the “insult” part of the law; it would allow him to make fun of the afflicted if that part is not in full force and effect. Definitely. Definitely.

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    • 55
      No more, Mr Atkinson, PLEASE! says:

      I’m not autistic, but I found Mr Bean to be offensive because it’s a pile of crap. Although not half as bad as Johnny English Reloaded, which was true excrement.

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    • 107
      BBC Brainwashing says:

      Ray, I fear if it was left to people like you, the only ‘comedy’ allowed would be the pathetic Government-baiting, left-wing bollox which passes for humour every week on the Radio 4 News Quiz.

      Please don’t take everything so personally.

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  20. 42
    Dave gently finger rimming his anus says:

    ‘it only took the government a year to respond to the public consultation.’

    We do have more pressing matters you know?

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  21. 46
    It's Oval you Belgian Mong and they ain't exactly Yoofs. says:

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  22. 48
    OMG Kettle calling Pan ... says:

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  23. 59
    Dave"The One Term Prime Minister" Cameron says:

    I have to point out that “insults” made in the House Of Commons are covered by Parliamentary privilege.

    Thank you and Good Morning.

    Tally Ho !!!!

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  24. 61
    restore the monasteries says:

    Re- HMV. With the renewed interest in VINYL,records,that is,could there
    be an opening for an empty high st shop,to be a modern vinyl shop with
    “listening booths”,modern and antique sound systems for sale,coffee and other
    refreshments,and legal,tested drugs and cannabis,taxed and graduated for
    strength etc.
    Could be a winner and somewhere the yoof could meet for a coffee and doughnut,but no drug taking….(just a thought)

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    • 96
      Matilda Scrogthorpe says:

      Ah the good old days in those booths with a fistful of discs to listen to – and then give back when we left as we did not really think we wanted to buy them after all!

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    • 97
      Richard Branson says:

      I used to run a shop like that, although I didn’t pay any tax so it was quite profitable.

      Oh the EU is great.

      Dave, can I have my rail franchise now pretty please….

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    • 70
      She forgot to engage brain before opening mouth says:

      She’s living in La La Land. No one knows the long term effects of the drugs that she wants to sell to our children as no clinical trials have been carried out.

      Does she not realise that if these designer drugs knocked up in Chinese laboratories caused cancer, mental illness, respiratory or circulation problems or organ failure in later life that the state would face massive COMPENSATION CLAIMS for legalising them?

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      • 82
        The Downing Street cuckoo says:

        Super ! More dosh for my chums in the legal profession.

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      • 85
        Its all about the fear of being sued says:

        Ah theres the rub my friend

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      • 106
        CarryHole is a Dismal Hunt says:

        Your the type of person causing all cliffs to be roped off aren’t you?

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      • 112
        Casual Observer says:

        MDMA – for sure there is a problem.

        But – the argument against cannab!s is getting weaker. One of the studies into the IQ lowering effect which has been cited as prime reason for keeping ban in place has recently been shown to be flawed.

        Apparently socio-economic effects were the cause of the IQ lowering impact. ie. Being trapped in poverty will lower your IQ by about 30 points.

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  27. 66
    Whitestones says:

    Mr Atkinson says “Feel free to insult me”.

    OK. I shared a cable car with you at Megeve last March, and you looked a right miserable git.

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  28. 69
    Herman van Rumboy says:

    WE decide which laws you will obey.

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    • 79
      albacore says:

      So now you can be insulting but you can’t be abusive
      I’d have thought those two words were not mutually exclusive
      And any shyster who could argue the hind leg off a donkey
      Would still convince the state beak that you’re a real bad, cheeky monkey

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      • 86
        The legal profession says:

        Irrespective of what the definition actually says we will still find a way to argue the law up its own arse, its what we do.

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  29. 73
    Sack the yellow ....s says:

    So six LibDem ministers voted against the Government last night but keep their jobs and pay … can someone explain!
    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201213/ldhansrd/text/130114-0002.htm

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  30. 93
    Moussa Koussa Mark 4 says:

    LOL….All the much maligned “Leftie Comics” won the day !!!!

    All the “Rightie Comics” are currently on bail.

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  31. 98
    Mike says:

    It’s only from Section 5 according to the report. Not the other sections. Looks like a trick. Press analysis needed.

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  32. 113
    Bluebottle says:

    I like talking to dogs .

    They are much nicer than policemen and women who stand on street corners.

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  33. 114
    Loopy LOu LLB (Hons) says:

    I have a cat . I miaow at him .

    Am I a criminal ?

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  34. 116
    keredybretsa says:

    Most insulting to see so few bums on seats. So much for their interest in free speech!

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