January 8th, 2013

When Baldamort Got it Right

Labour’s shadow work and pensions spokesman Liam Byrne made a big fanfare today raging against the Tories “unacceptable” language.  Rewind back to his 2011 conference speech and Baldamort was singing from a very different hymn sheet:

RESPONSIBILTY TO WORK
But there is one responsibility more that we will not ignore. A renewed responsibility on everyone to take a job if they can. Let’s face the tough truth – that many people on the doorstep at the last election, felt that too often we were for shirkers not workers. We’ve got to deal with that if we want to get re-elected. 

Liam was right then, but was this use of “shirkers” a one off?

No. He told the LSE in January 2012:

“Labour is the party of hard workers not free-riders. The clue is in the name. We are the Labour party. The party that said that idleness is an evil. The party of workers, not shirkers”

Unacceptable language eh? 


46 Comments

  1. 1
    Long balls Silver and his goat says:

    Another Labour hissy fit – how many is it today?

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    • 3
      Long balls Silver and his goat says:

      Song for Liam – calm down pal, I know you’re there, at the sharp end,

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      • 8
        Long balls Silver and his goat says:

        s’pose I should explain to my english friends here, that that song is about twaddle speak, and you might as well keep your gobs shut, politicians.

        Have a look england, at that seriously interesting country next to you, without oxbridge blindfolds.

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  2. 2
    Jimmy says:

    It’s a nice soundbite, but it still doesn’t explain why the country seems to get lazier whenever the tories are in.

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      It’s because they sack all the fact checkers and hire their own families.

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    • 6
      Old Blue Eyes says:

      How on earth do you come up with that one?

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      • 7
        Jimmy says:

        1. Dig out a graph for unemployment levels over the last 40 years
        2. Mark the changes of government over the period
        3. Do you notice a pattern here?

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        • 11
          Old Blue Eyes says:

          You tell me when ever Labour left office with unemployment less than when they took office.

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          • Jimmy says:

            A favourite soundbite of righties I know. Blair got the rate below 5%, what economists had previously called virtual full employment, before the last crash kicked in. It’s not a stats battle the right can win without some sematic jiggery pokery like yours.

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          • Sir William says:

            But it’s true, Jimmy? Every time Labour has left office – starting in the 1930s – the economy they have handed over has been utterly fucked. It’s not a coincidence.

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          • nellnewman says:

            Bless Jimmy – economically blind deaf and dumb – that’s labour to a T!!

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          • Jimmy says:

            Technically true of course that unemployment was 7% in May 1997 and 7.8% in May 2010 (from a low of 4.6% in 2005). If you ignore the context you might have a point. If you look at our neighbours the numbers are pretty respectable. Gideon prior to 2008 used to recommend the Irish model. How are they doing?

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          • Old Blue Eyes says:

            One further FACT Jimmy before I go out for the evening. The current level of unemployment is lower than when Gordon Brown left office. I’ve no doubt it would be even a damn site lower if we had had a CONSERVATIVE government.

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          • Jimmy says:

            Actually the they’ve just managed to get the rate down to the 7.8 they inherited. Any predictions as to where it’s going from here?

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          • Goats do it better says:

            Old Blue Eyes 6:43 pm;

            Tory managers sacking people, before an election?

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        • 14
          tourmaline says:

          Pug a graph together of people in real employment and people in government non jobs and track that to different governments over the last 40 years . What do you notice?

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        • 17
          Sir William says:

          Yep, it rose quite a bit under the last Labour goverment and has been static overall under the Coalition. Importantly, public sector unemployment (taking money out) has been falling while private sector employment (putting money in) is rising.

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          • Jimmy says:

            Yes. Using agency staff does wonders for the stats.

            Of course that were really true treasury receipts wouldn’t be plummeting.

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          • nellnewman says:

            Now jimmy it is you who is waffling!!

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          • Under ILO rules you could reduce unemployment in the UK to zero tomorrow by the simple expedient of putting them all onto workfare which counts in the official statistics as ‘employment’.

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          • There are three main categories of job:

            * Public Sector Essential or Necessary
            * Public Sector Unnecessary or Makework
            * Private Sector Necessary

            Clearly the financial discipline of private sector does not allow for unnecessary jobs which is why there is not a fourth category.

            Under Conservative governments the numbers in 1 & 3 have risen and 2 have fallen.

            Under Labour the numbers under 1&2 have risen (at best) and the numbers under 3 have fallen.

            In the final analysis, the private sector pays for everything.

            End of.

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          • Just Sayin' says:

            @SC: I think you missed one special category out there: BBC ?

            Public / Private Sector, morally repugnant and harmful to children.

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          • Jimmy says:

            “Clearly the financial discipline of private sector does not allow for unnecessary jobs”

            You’ve clearly never worked in the private sector.

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          • Jimmy says:

            “Public / Private Sector, morally repugnant and harmful to children.”

            Do you mean bloggers?

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          • You’ve clearly never worked in the private sector

            Now I’ve heard it all. I’m inclined to think that is not the real Jimmy as he is much more intelligent than that and would know not to leave himself so open.

            I’ve run a very large part of it and was the leader in profitability in my sector due to the introduction of networking systems in the 1980s.

            Pioneering. Lots of people hate it due to the uncertainty but to me it was thrilling.

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          • @Just Sayin’

            BBC is not a job.

            It is a junket.

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  3. 4
    shocked of shockedville says:

    A politician changing his opinion now he is in opposition. I am shocked I say shocked

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  4. 9
    Say it ain't so Liam says:

    Whoa that sounds almost hypocritical!!!!!

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  5. 10
    Old Blue Eyes says:

    It’s that sort of hypocrisy that gets politicians a bad name.

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  6. 12
    Red Egg Millitit... says:

    Once a wanker, always a wanker……. :)

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  7. 13
    tourmaline says:

    ++++Laugh++++ liambyrne , he of the , “there’s no money left because we have spent it all” and to no purpose is wittering on today about the ‘evil’ of cutting benefits!!!!

    labour are not only in denial – their grasp of basic economics ie you can only spend what your earn, is non- existent.

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  8. 15
    Get me a Latte says:

    Liam Byrne, the ex-Rothschild investment banker who tries to speak for Labour on welfare payments.

    You couldn’t make it up.

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    • 23
      nellnewman says:

      Well given his dire economic record it’s not surprising he’s a EX rothschild employee – can’t imagine they’d want to keep someone like him. Just a pity we ended up with him!!

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  9. 19
    nellnewman says:

    Liam’there’s no money left’Byrne is absolutely the right public face for labour.

    He will forever remind us of their profligate spending and their total lack of control of the economy and the disaster that remained when they’d left office!!

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  10. 27
    The Labour party says:

    Please stop pointing out our hypocrisy and lies.
    Our voters don’t care we say any old bollocks and neither do we.

    So save yourselves the bother and just vote for Red Ed. He’s a winner and will save the nation.
    {yes we know that’s a lie..save yourself the effort.}

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  11. 29
    Long balls Silver and his goat says:

    Wonder what is going on in Newsnight tonight, ey folks?

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    • 45
      Goats do it better says:

      Well that was interesting, not – usual beeb Shepherd’s Bush fluff and fluster. And doesn’t Estler talk funny?

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      • 46
        Oi vay says:

        He is so far to the left that if he leant over any further he would fall off the edge. Happily however, I do not subscribe to the infamous tellytax.

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  12. 30
    Anonymous says:

    Labour just a bunch of liars. Prudent management of the ecomony an example.

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  13. 33
    Just Sayin' says:

    I thought Cameroons fashion disasters were just his attempts to get in touch with his inner chav. Didn’t think Sam was involved… Coo

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  14. 39
    Anonymous says:

    Actually it’s a misreading of his own scribbled handwriting. He meant to say that he and his mates were ” wankers not shankers”

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  15. 40
    mutter says:

    Whatever the unemployment figures ‘prove’, there’s millions on zero or low hours ‘flexible contracts’, unabe to predict what they’ll be able to earn the next week if anything) and relying on housing benefit, tax credits etc.
    They’re employed though, so they don’t figure in the stats and their income will drop as a result of today’s vote.
    Shirkers?

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  16. 42

    You may think why me,what’s my connections to corruption in middlesbrough that makes me fight it all the way,data Abuses in CRB disclosures to render me helpless,just for the snooping recently introduced by parliament with pilot sceme details and data,
    Because I know RAY MALLON,The first attempt on my life in cells,
    8 police officers assaulted me in cells,he was attached to Cleveland police officers in Middlesbrough as a chief of southbank police station,now knocked down,BUT evidence should still remain as I’d been arrested for breach of the peace and went to court for assaulting a police officer still in the force,there is more connections to Ray mallon.Is this evidence for the murder of an MP,Two MP’s came between a mayor and his political career,like children given drugs in cells for information to further his political career,if he had took the MP position for middlesbrough after mp kumars Death,Mp stuart bells deaths, you may see it as coincidence,but­ what if there is Two more deaths Linked to Ray Mallon would you believe that,Well sir John hoddinott was in Charge of investigations into Ray Mallon mayor of middlesbrough and operation lancett enquiry,he was found dead in a Middlesbrough hotel during the investigations,­­­­well there is also mr Simpson who was
    found dead at the bottom of a Yarm bridge and noone sees a direct connection to officers of the lancett enquiry or the same police authority,all of whom had a direct contact to cleveland police force,well if you don’t believe that that could link ray mallon what about Two More deaths of big time Drug dealers who were under age at the time of allegations against ray Mallon,Stuart Smith,and Darren Coulson of southbank,found­­­­ dead in cells of holme house prison,The children Who were given drugs in cells part of the allegations against ray Mallon before lancett Enquiry,And finallly my part in all of this is 23 false arrests,one conviction in 46 years,oi too was arrested by a detective Ray Mallon,also DC Crawford of same force followed. By death threats from the family memeber of said detective recently,why,be­­cause I knew to much,and the facts of this case they warned me to remove or else face the pain comming to me. http://wp.me/­­­­p2euOV-4. The
    facts of my one outstanding conviction for burglary in which his Own Prosecution witnesses cocked up in court statements for him, and stated in every sence of the word that the Bent detective Crawford LIED at court about where the evidence of BLOOD came from, The facts 16 witnesses, 6 judges are also implicated in this Massive fruad,and all who knew about the evidence of innocence on my behalf,this is an exert of news from that era in reguards to officers who were corrupt,his apponant for the job as an MP. http://­­­­www.bbc.co.uk­/­­­­pressoffice/­­­­pressreleases­/­­­stories/­2002/­­­­02_february/­­17/­­­­raymallon.sht­m­l. SEE For yourself the wrangle attached to Sir Stuart bell MP and ray Mallon apparently as he stated motiveless approach to the Recently ,The MP job and his political gains.what if I told you about TWO MORE connections to me and cleveland police Ray Mallon Mayor of middlesbrough.e­­ric Cutler was one of my witnesses in 2002
    to 2012 cases surrounding my 23 arrests,he was found dead in his home,in grovehill,he was a witness in my case in which I’d been arrested for eX partner details,and the other death is my newxtdoor neighbour,my Vinny I called him,thisman was found dead in his home like stuart bell MP,MPashok kumar,eric Cutler,Chief Hoddinott,this man vinny lived in the house that was bought be the landlord who made the allegations against me for burglary my one and only conviction,he made 3 allegations against me for burglary at the same house in which dc crawford helped him make an insurance claim fruad,for 3 burglaries,at a cost of £160,800,too many links to muders,and I was on G4S reliance tagg at the time of allegations of 3 burglaries

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