November 29th, 2012

PM: Has “Serious Concerns” about Statutory Underpinning

The Prime Minister seems to have decided he’s not going to be the first leader since 1695 to use the state to legislate the press. He just told the commons he has “serious concerns and misgivings” about using the state to underpin Leveson’s proposals. Apparently he is “not convinced” it is needed and wants to give the press the chance to implement principles of Leveson without it. It’s on…


  1. 1
    A question says:

    Is this another ironcast guarantee?


    • 8
      Socialists hate freedom of speech says:

      It was actually a good speech by Dave.

      Red Ed is now using the Dowler’s as a political tool to bring about the state controlling the press.


      • 11
        Anonymous says:

        The Dowlers and the McCanns have been used shamelessly by those seeking to control the press.


        • 19
          Anonymous says:

          To be fair, they seem to have entered in to the discussion with gusto ! I dont know if they saw moe £ signs or what.


        • 30
          Anonymous says:

          Oh well, at least we were not disappointed by Ed. Opportunistic as usual.


        • 36
          Check Facts First says:

          It seems everyone has used the Dowlers. First it was the press then a lawyer to make a few quid out of a compo claim and now Ed.


        • 47
          Anonymous says:

          How? None of you came to their defence when all these were going on.

          Its like wolf crying for sheep.


        • 121
          Three Solid Wins - the people have spoken says:

          RUBBISH! The problem we have got is people have broken the law and they have not been strung up. That is the problem – inner-Lahndahn corruption of the establishment it is.

          Steal a bottle of water from a store during a riot and you get six months, while establishment’s criminal harrassment of innocent individuals gets nowt.


      • 17
        Anonymous says:

        The Dowlers faced far worse treatment in a court of law under cross examination.
        Why were there no reporting restrictions in place?

        That said, to listen to the phone messages was criminal and should have been treated as such by the police and courts.

        Red ED who’s family have lived in this country for a dogs watch, is a totalitarian,It’s in his DNA.


        • 26
          Anonymous says:

          I agree it was criminal and should have been dealt with as such.But instead the incident was exploited shamelessly by Milliband.As you say the Dowlers faced cross examination that would have distressed me more than the phone episode, had i been in their shoes.


      • 25
        Anonymous says:

        I can understand Cameron’s concern.



      • 40
        green ink says:

        it was and as it continues remains a very balanced and realistic appraisal of the recommendations…. the realities of the actual statute detail are or could be a problem…the data protection issues also must be considered.


  2. 2
    Memories at the corner of my mind, says:

    Whitewash r us must be in town or is it u-turns are us maybe he has spine problems.


  3. 3
  4. 4
    Liarpoliticians says:

    Those on the left want to control the press, everyone else wants a free press.


    • 10
      Lenin says:

      Control of the press is just a means to an end. We want to control your lives, your minds, your behaviour…


    • 12
      Suspicious Git says:

      Control of the press would be the foundation stone of control of the internet and all it’s manifestations, the blogsphere, facebook, twitter, Huffington Post etc etc. No wonder the Left want it.


      • 69
        green ink says:

        thats a very debateable contention … no-one is going to pass legislation that restricts our freedom of speech or the fundamental freedom of the press. It should be possible to expect that the press must be made accountable where they are guilty of criminal activities.


        • 86
          Keep Our Press Free says:

          There are already laws in place to deal with such eventualities. They just haven’t been used fully.
          Let’s not forget that phone-hacking happened when LABOUR were in power.


          • Biased Broadcasting Corporation says:

            Quite. Funny, isn’t it, how the Left never mention that little fact en passant.


          • green ink says:

            absolutely…today BBC was running ‘memorable moments from the enquiry’….it was sienna miller and rebeccah brooks… ‘like being chased down the road by 10 men’ and lol comments respectively … and robinson just before the debate in the HOC putting across that cameron was compromised to both sides of the issue…just creating a quite biased
            piece of ‘news’.


    • 78
      Kim Jong-un says:

      There is nothing wrong with state control of the press. It relieves politcians of the need to waste their time speaking to low-life like journalists.


      • 113
        Anonymous says:

        The likes of Sienna Miller and Ann Diamond really make me laugh ! if they could only hear themselves, and if they only knew what people think of them ! poor innocent (not) lambs .


  5. 5
    Kebab Time says:

    Miliband wants state reg, he can fuck of as well.


  6. 7
    Perse O'Nally says:

    How many times have the press said they’ll regulate themselves and then failed to implement their promises?

    If Dave does control them, they’ll have only themselves to blame.


    • 15
      Socialists hate freedom says:

      What do you mean by they? The press is the voice of the people. Do you think if the state controled the press it would allow the press to report their expense scandals, sexual misconduct or anything else that the state does not want exposing.

      We had two world wars winning a hard fought freedom, it is folly to thhrow it away because a missing girl’s voicemales were routinely deleted by her phone provider.


    • 23
      Broadsword calling Danny Boy says:

      Dave says as long as they give a cast iron guarantee they should be given another chance just like Cyril er……………


    • 50
      The Public says:

      How many times have politicians said they won’t lie and cheat the public and then gone on to do precisely that?


  7. 9
    Joseph Stalin says:

    Ignore the capitalist lackey Cameroon! My boy Ed will defeat the running dogs of the lickspittle press! Long live the revolution!


  8. 13
    Socialism Ate My Future says:

    Common Purpose it’s like a disease, where’s a Stalin esq purge when you need it.

    I never thought in the 21st Century we’d ever be entertaining the thought of the state regulating the press, with washed out “celebs” championing the cause and then to hear another CP graduate being proposed to aide the regulation it’s madness.

    First the commies take over the “Environmental” agenda, then the UN, then the judicary etc etc it’s like a whirlwind of statism under the fake guise of democracy and we know best.

    When will the MsM start looking into CP and it’s disciples and stand up to this forboding tyranny.

    Anyhow I’m off for a coffee.


  9. 14
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Cattle prod for Tapsell


  10. 21
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Gerld Kaufman = death warmed up


  11. 22
    We Are Normal and We Want Our Freedom says:


  12. 24
    This chick gets into more trouble than Charles Manson says:

    Looks like Lindsay Lohan may have a hit on her hands—and not the good kind. The critically savaged star was arrested early Thursday morning after allegedly punching a woman at a New York City nightclub, E! News has confirmed. According to an NYPD spokeswoman, the 26-year-old actress got into a fight with the woman at Club Avenue in downtown Manhattan and allegedly punched her in the face.


  13. 27
    Shouldn't have blinked says:

    Where’s Gordon?


  14. 28
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Too many decrepit time servers on both sides of Commons – BIG clear out needed – Straw, Rifraff, Tapsell, Kaufman, Dobson – boot the lot out.

    Should be a max 2 x 5 year terms for MPs.


  15. 32
    Dave Loves Minorities says:

    Typical Dave. Siding with minorities again. This time it’s the minority who favour a free press and oppose state control, both direct and indirect.


  16. 34
    Dick Scratcher says:


  17. 35
    All the Socialists says:

    Regulate. Control. We know best. Totalitarianism. Freedom is slavery. Marxism. The State is all. You will Love Big brother.


  18. 43
    Ministry of Truth says:

    We are recruiting.


  19. 44
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Rubicon = word of the day.

    Totally dominates the word cloud.


  20. 46
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Register of Y-front interest.


  21. 49
    Dick Scratcher says:

    That Denise Coffey’s looking rough these days.


  22. 51
    Steve Miliband says:

    Lib + lab + regulating tories = Regulation of press .Idiocy


    • 109
      Sir Talbot Buxomley says:

      So the answer to massive failed self-regulation is
      very powerful self-regulation (ie. the status quo)

      Legal underpinning is required to enure the press barons and their scum underlings can be
      1. fined for wrongdoing
      2. exposed as the hypocrites they are by

      Roll On…………


  23. 53
    mwnciboo says:

    Hmmm….Crossing the Rubicon, what a load of high faluting Bollocks. Have they even studied Roman History?

    Cameron ducks issue, despite most of the population in favour of this? Is this true democracy? Makes you wonder what dirty the Media barons have on him, it’s pretty obvious they’ve got him and a number of other MP’s by the balls.

    Free speech? This is bollocks as well – We don’t have it, we have “Paternalist justification of limiting speech” if you think we have free speech walking into a local town centre and start shouting “All *Insert ethnic Group* are parasites and we should rise up and *Insert action* them”. You would be arrested pretty quickly, and charged with Inciting racial hatred, or breeching the peace.

    People who talk about free speech are deluded, we are all accountable for what we say. I believe the British Legal system is very good, the current system we have is good, we shouldn’t worry or fear because of fear mongers and people who believe in so called “Principles” when in reality legislation is a pragmatic approach.


    • 66
      Big Brother wins the first round says:

      Do you really want the state controlling what the press is allowed to say about the state?

      Do you really want the state controlling what the press can print about MPs expenses?

      The dowlers by the way are just mere pawns in this game, this is about the most powerful in the land.


    • 84
      green ink says:

      Cameron’s instinctive reluctance to legislate is well founded at this juncture …the press have the opportunity to set out in clear terms what they intend to do to implement the recommendations.

      The test that those new proposals are fit for purpose does not necessarily require legislation that could be used by future administrations to seriously affect press / media freedoms.

      Putting statute in place that allows effective government control of the media is abhorant to everyone ….and David Cameron recognises that.


      • 112

        Good point, Green Ink. Can you just imagine what Labour would do it if was handed the power to control the press after 2015. We would never have heard of the grooming gangs, we would never have heard of the expenses scandal and Jimmy Savile would still be on re runs on BBC3.

        It is not new laws that are required it is for the existing ones to be enforced.


    • 116
      JH1 says:

      ‘most of the population’

      Is the same ‘most’ the left go on about when they talk about how fucking popular their world view is, while frantically ignoring the tragically low circulation of the Guardian?

      Is this the same ‘most’ who think ‘the science is settled’ regarding climate change?

      ‘Most’ people do not agree with the cultural Marxism being forced on us by a metropolitan, liberal elite infused media. ‘Most’ people know that if they disagree with said elite in ‘polite company’ they will be browbeaten as racist/xenophobic/homophobic/little Englanders/all the above.

      So they keep quiet, allowing said media elite to dominate the ‘agreeable’ – as defined by them of course – public discourse.

      If you think that process constitutes actual ‘agreement’, think again. Millions upon millions of people buy Murdoch papers and pay for Sky subscriptions. That is people exercising their free choice, a democratic ‘vote’ for the fact that they do not see Murdoch as some sort of devil incarnate. Far from it, he is someone who understands their needs and interests, and gets paid if and only if he fulfils them.

      At no point in that process is there compulsion, such as in the aggressive legalese letter I got from TV licensing this morning, threatening court action against me despite the fact they do not even know my bloody name.

      This whole affair is nothing more than a thrashing tentacle of the statist authoritarian left, trying to smash the country’s rigging. They do-not-give-a-damn about peoples rights or freedoms, only the extent that they can regulate and control peoples lives.

      The little people need saving from themselves, you see. Otherwise they might just spend their time admiring lovely pairs of tits on page 3 instead of marching towards Hogsbawm’s golden dawn.


  24. 54
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Ayup…Rob Wilson – Royal Mail’s largest client.


  25. 58
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Vaz & Kaufman within 2 mins of each other – torrent of slime dribbling down the opposition benches.


  26. 63
    Fact Hunt says:

    Bunter Twatson, Bunter Twatson, whither art thou?


  27. 68
    Luciana Berger says:

    Who the feck was Bill Shankly?


  28. 70
    I fell asleep when I woke up an turned news on every gobshite media monkey is in motormouth mood says:

    Has WW 3 started ?


  29. 76
    Loopy Lou says:

    I have “serious concerns and misgivings ‘ about what Cameron is trying to do with this report .


  30. 77
    Chris Bryant says:

    Is The Last Chance Saloon a gay bar?


  31. 79
    Fact Hunt says:

    Corbyn alert! Fire up bullshit filters.


  32. 80
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Jeremy Hunt looks like a ten year old boy who has got straight As on his school report.


  33. 82
    IMHO says:

    Nice one Guido and Co, (moderated again) I see that you have already voluntarily signed up to Ofcoms see no evil , say no evil and speak no evil.


  34. 83
    Mark Oaten says:

    Has anyone got my Yuletide log?


  35. 88
    Bluebottle says:

    If this report by Leveson of the Justice Department cost five million five hundred thousands of pounds and consists of two thousand pieces of paper then each piece of paper costs a lot of money .


  36. 98
    YorkshireLad says:

    Does this mean that the Speccie won’t have to decamp to foreign climes and its editor won’t be thown to the lions?


  37. 100
    The savant8.5 says:

    Quote for it. Get paid upfront bodge it and runne
    Underpinners to. Royalty since the eleventy twelfth of never say :

    We underpin anything. Including the nations moral fibre

    Quotes willingly supplied . Ring only on april first.


  38. 102
    Jimmy says:

    I agree with Ed.


  39. 107
    bbc news not make it says:

    6oclock news bbc….its cameron against legislation clegg and milliband for it…simplistic totally unrepresentative biased ill balanced headline


  40. 110
    MB. says:

    It’s no surprise that Labour want state control of the press, they would probably secretly like it all nationalised but for a political party called “Liberal” to want to have state control of the press is a big surprise or perhaps not with that particular party.


    • 115

      Yup MB, the Lib Damned party seems to be transmogrifying into slime before our very eyes. That’s the problem with the national political stage, you can’t be all things to all people.


  41. 120
    NE Frontiersman says:

    Just asking, but is there any news from Rotherham? If so, it’s got a bit ‘buried’.


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