Sir Tony Baldry, resplendent in his bright pink shirt and salmon and cucumber Garrick Club tie, fulfilled his duty in the House today at the Second Church Estates Commissioner (the Church’s representative in Parliament, aside from that constitutional abomination that lets Bishop vote of legislation, of course.) Baldry was arguing for Women bishops, but as Ann Treneman points out, the Garrick still do not let women join. Nor do the Freemasons…
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Ai Weiwei in China fighting the taxman…
“Under totalitarian rule, no one is protected by law. We will all be the same helpless victims. When a country insists on its lies, it’s time for an artist to bring forth change.”
Google-eyed-Dave
No woman, no mitre.
No woman? – thats why God gave you a right hand
Wallace Multimillionaire Miliband is involved somewhere.
Would nuns allow men to enter their order or does it only work one way? I am sure there are a few men who would like to become nuns.
Oh, I dunno…. Would nuns allow men to enter? Could make for a dirty habit?
Two nuns in a bath
Nun1: Where’s the soap?
Nun2: Yes, it does…
What is your problem with the Freemasons? It’s about as secretive and seditious as the National Trust.
The W.I. don’t let men in either – are you going to crucify them with unqualified suggestions also?
Oh dear, please get your facts right. I am a Lady Freemason and we do not admit men. What we do alongside the men is donate to charity. After the National Lottery we are the next biggest donator to charitable causes. Every Cathedral, every Hospice receives donations from us.
And I am a Gentleman Freemason….
Fancy smoothing off my rough ashlar?
Be careful though, you might get a heavy maul….
Are Lady Freemasons called Masonettes?
They look good in their aprons too, especially in the kitchen!
Thats Sir Les Patterson, isnt it?
Think the underlying question… Does Baldry speak/vote as an independently-minded commissioner, a member of the Garrick club or as a freemason? 2 of the 3 aren’t exactly democratic.
How many masters can a man serve?
I was about to say that, but you beat me to it.
I’m not so crass as to indulge in crude innuendo.
Unlike “Frank Mason”, the well known Merchant Banker.
We are all saved!
The voice of reason and shining wit (spoonerism?) has spoken
LYTB
And after 33deg you worship satan, you walk from light to dark. There should not be a “secret society” it should be outlawed !
Secret society? Surely you mean the plural?
As to walking with Satan? Nope, but I did have a pint with Lucifer and Baphomet the other night.
There are many more degrees than the 33rd, depends on the masonic order.
The more esoteric orders have all sorts of ideas and are often based on the freemasons who , in turn , are based on the Templars.
And how could you outlaw anything that had the law/judiciary amongst their number?
A very good point Frank, may be they should all wear an orange shirt so we know who they are.
Got something against freedom of association, have we?
He probably just gets upset at the fix ups that all.
Correct. We Free Masons raise vast amounts of money for good causes but we don’t shout about it even though we are second to the lottery in dishing out our money.
As an ordinary bloke not earning a great deal the myth that we help each other with wealth and power is crud. If it were true I’d be a millionaire now in some well paid job even if I was crap at it, but I’m not. More deals and jobs for the boys are done on the golf clubs, working men’s clubs, union meetings or other organisations than Masonary but the lies about Masonary will continue.
Well said Mr M, the Grand Master will be proud of you for protecting us, if you aren’t the Grand Master. Personally, I have never donated anything to charity, but I can confirm that there are lady Freemasons, as I have shagged loads of them. Boaz.
The most sensible Freemason I have come across and long may it continue.
Sounds like you are one of the poor sod’s on the lower level, paying for all of the evil nutter’s at the top. Stick with it though and keep working through your degree’s and then in a few years time you can join them, unless of course you catch on first !
The Order of Women Freemasons would disagree with Guido.
http://www.owf.org.uk/
Do the WI allow male members (fnarr, fnarr)?
There’s a good reason why it’s called a bishopric – a strap-on would just be a non-risible imitation.
Oh , That bloke was Camerons chief arse licker on eu budget vote a few weeks ago.
Muppet!
“Garrick Club”, I thought mps were hard working, no time for anything else, putting 70 hours a week in, how on earth does he find time to go to the Garrick Club?
Long John, good blues singer
Why do people keep mentioning bigoted women?
We don’t
I do believe there was even a female Pope, Pope Joan, all denied of course but the Pope in procession around Rome avoids a certain street, and there is a certain chair upon which a new Pope is asked to sit, and a cardinal checks his credentials by say he is intact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan
I bet they enjoy that!
I honestly don’t give a shit if men want to have exclusive clubs.
Calm down dear.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236652/Men-wear-pink-shirts-earn-1-000-year-dont.html
My friend will not wear a pink shirt or tie, on the grounds it is a bit poofy
A false analogy, young mini-Guido. The C of E is an employer, not a club. I am unconcerned that the Womens Institute is unlikely to let me join.
I want to join the Wimmins Institute
I am already an honorary Liebour woman as you know…
And my misses likes all these cross dressing activities…
Have you tried applying to the Society of Black Lawyers, Black Footballers, Black and White Minstrels?
It is a mighty relief to note that the All Blacks are anything but!
He has a cunning plan
And looks like a fat cun*t.
Why the hell should Parliment or any external body stick their noses into our affairs
The Anglican Church should be disestablished and run its own affairs like any other Church
And I do not want female Bishops (or q u e e r priests either)
Their perversions should not be imposed on us
I just want to get on with a normal, natural life
PS If male Freemasons want to stay among themselves, it is their basic legal right as well…wimmin can always set up their own female lodges if the spirit so moves them…
I was going to suggest you swim the Tiber, but you would end up with more q*eer priests there than in the CofE!
Whilst having no theological objection to women being consecrated to the episcopate (they all went out the window when the Church began ordainig women in the 90′s) adequate provision should be made for people who in all good conscience cannot accept a woman Bishop… provision that is sadly lacking in its fullnes, and which is being completely denied to those in Wales.
Here here
There are women freemasons….. their lodges are solely for women.
And there’s also co-freemasonry which admits men & women into their lodges
As you were saying?
W.Bro. Frank Mason
PPNP, PSGNP
That’s good.
I was about to Lodge a complaint.
Personally I prefer the Handymen, good chaps what!
How do you recognise a Freemason, observe this clip
http://order-order.com/2012/11/22/no-women-no-tie/#comments
sorry wrong link
Entwistle was hideously inept in the 54 days he was a useless DG. And now this:
Former BBC director general George Entwistle was only prepared to resign for the £450,000 pay-off he would have received if sacked, MPs have been told.
What a greedy c-unt.
Why should anyone who is sacked get a payoff? (If they are sacked for good reason)
Is the Beeb putting these clauses into contracts? ‘If you are crap at your job and we sack you, we will pay you £450K’
I am split on this issue
I am half woman and half man as you know
I am very confused about which clubs should accept me…
Any rugby club old boy
But they said I’m not welcome.
Salmon with Salmon? Don’t think so ducks!
“…that constitutional abomination that lets Bishop vote of legislation, of course.”
FFS, is anyone sober in the Newsroom, this morning?
Are you saying the Biships in the HoL are not a nabomination…
If so, good, good.
Bishops of the Established Church make a refreshing change from the LibLabCon yes men and women of the political that have carved out for themselves a nice political life where they just say yes or no depending on if they’re in government or not.
Their Graces act as a counterweight to the rules which prevent CofE clergy from taking a seat in the HoC whilst any other Christian denomination leader (think Paisley and ‘save Ulster from…’) Rabbi or women-hating, Shariah law impossing, q*eer bashing Imam, may happily do so.
Female Freemasonry.
http://www.owf.org.uk/
Not quite sure what kind of spelling ‘Antient’ is…
However, male/female masons are here
http://www.co-masonry.org/Site/English/
Antient is an antient spelling. Various organisations use it.
BTW the bloke in the picture could use a little less salad-dodging. Fat trougher.
I think that is supposed to be auntie Ett
The Club confirms it does not admit women as Members but they have equal access to the facilities; an AGM to discuss that policy is imminent, however.
quite right too…listening to that chuckabuttie creature on the Daily Politics its clear she reads off the same hymn sheet as ‘yvette the acserbic two faced weasel’ and only reminds me hownice it is to get some some peace in the club from these shrills.
I’ve never understood the point of the Groucho Club, now that you’ve brought up the subject. HE wouldn’t have joined, right?
And now that I’VE mentioned it, I’ve always wondered if the Marx family has had to be paid for the use of his cognomen. It’s not like it’s a common name, FFS, and its connection with a club is even more egregiously a theft if they don’t pay his family. But of course, they’re all luvvies anyway, who expect to get away with shit that, if done to them, would get you and me a cease-and-desist from their solicitor at warp speed.
Named after Karl Marx, innit.
Quite right! Why, Britain has gone to Hell in a hand basket ever since they gave women the vote. D—ed Suffragettes!
What side does he bat for.
the Scottdog 69′ers ?
What about the Wimbledon Common Benders?
Guido you seem to have erred old chap.
Look at UGLEs statement on womens freemasonry in England, it is on the HFAF website and I think in ugles own guidance to members. There ar 4 well known masonic fraternities that admit women masons in England, 2 have been operating for a century. UGLE I understand, perhaps incorrectly, talks to them on matters of mutual interest.
http://www.hfaf.org/ugle.htm
I know female freemasons from around the globe, they are not hard to find.
Don’t believe the claptrap that only men can be masons, even UGLEs official view, as shown in the link above, and available to every ugle member, disproves that.
Here, here, but already mentioned once or thrice above….
In the name of TGAOTU etc etc
I’d happily initiate women into our lodge and present them with the working tools…fffnnnaarr
Had trouble posting, got taken to the wordpress log in page and the post didn’t appear or tried again and there you go.
Sorry to be pedantic Stewart if they admit women they can not be called fraterities which are all male.
Are the preggy ones called maternities?
What possible reason would the layity element of the vote not follow the two other church groups acceptance that it was time to cement the progression to women bishops….
6 votes stopped a process that was timely beneficial and considered to be reflective of modern times.
Demonstrating their relevance to people’s lives requires that the Anglican Church revisit this matter …not in 4 years time as would appear to be the probable pedant timescale… but much sooner.
Given the obvious communicative skills of the incoming Archbishop Justin welby it would be fortuitous if he chose to tackle this issue sooner rather than later. It would also give him the chance to show very clearly that he sees the Church as a modern thinking ‘real world’ organization.
The laity stood up for principles.
This is not a mater of secular equality and ethics but a matter of theology and theological ethics.
Although a majority voted for the measure across all three houses (74% I do believe) and I would have loved to have seen this measure passed, the failure to do so doesn’t make a difference to the work of the Church, nor the action it needs to take to tackle the problems that it faces. Ordaining women priests did not see the reversal in congregation numbers, even the Church of Rome has slowly come to it’s sense and realised that fiddling with certain things does not increase attendance but can harm congregation numbers (the liturgical reforms of Vatican II have very much had the opposite effect to that desired.)
So whilst fully supoprting the view on women in the episcopate, if the CofE can’t make changes without this measure , then things are much worse than I fear!
Where are bishops mentioned in the Bible?
And anyway, why should what bronze age and iron age people thought thousands of years ago have any relevance now? They stoned people to death, had slaves and crucified people.
Since Sola Scriptura is a faulty basis on which to hold Christian faith (the Word is Jesus Himself, not the book compiled by the Bishops in council, neither is the Bible infalliable, it certainly makes no claim to be so and pretty much all the early Church Fathers didn’t think it was) evidence can be drawn from several places including: early Church practice, following in the pastoral structure initiated by Christ Himself as documented in the Bible and then passed on, and as for passages for the sacraments of the three Holy Orders and their roles:
Episcopoi (Bishop):
1 Tim. 5:19–22; 2 Tim. 4:5; Titus 1:5;
Presbuteroi (Priest):
1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15
Diakonoi (Deacon):
Acts 6:1–6
Although I grant that in the early Church the terms were rather fluid, Paul, whilst evidently having a higher position as Apostle on occassion called himself servant (Deacon) with various other examples by the start of the second century they were pretty much fixed as attested by the Church Fathers and the Early Church Councils.
And if you want to get righteous about a religious group I suggest you don’t worry yourself with Christianity which doesn’t do those things… but worry about M*slims who continue to stone innocent people and have a ‘divine’ commandment to subdue us all either by force or by subversion and lies…
Since Sola Scriptura is a faulty basis on which to hold Christian faith (the Word is Jesus Himself, not the book compiled by the Bishops in council, neither is the Bible infalliable, it certainly makes no claim to be so and pretty much all the early Church Fathers didn’t think it was) evidence can be drawn from several places including: early Church practice, following in the pastoral structure initiated by Christ Himself as documented in the Bible and then passed on, and as for passages for the sacraments of the three Holy Orders and their roles:
Episcopoi (Bishop):
1 Tim. 5:19–22; 2 Tim. 4:5; Titus 1:5;
Presbuteroi (Priest):
1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15
Diakonoi (Deacon):
Acts 6:1–6
Although I grant that in the early Church the terms were rather fl*uid, Paul, whilst evidently having a higher position as Apostle on occassion called himself servant (Deacon) with various other examples by the start of the second century they were pretty much fixed as attested by the Church Fathers and the Early Church Councils.
but I only wanted a BigMac!
Very well said sir.
ditto
That’s because its a f**king gentlemens club. F*kwits everywhere
“… process considered reflective of modern times….”
So what’s their view on gay marriage? Can’t get much more modern than that [at this moment in time, going forward].
What else would you expect from Long John Baldry, a prominent Freemason! Let the Heartaches Begin
A classic comment during the PMQ’s – as a follow-on to the speech above, Ben Bradshaw asked – “what can the PM do to ensure that the overwhelming will of members of the COE and of this country is respected”.
Very strange, coming from an MP who represents a parliament which consistently acts against the will of the people they are elected to represent – mainly supports the EU while the majority of British people for many years has been against membership of the EU!
The ‘so called’ Christian churches should be out there trying to get bums on pews. A new marketing concept is needed lady bishops and lady cardinals even a Mrs Pope might solve their problem before it is too late.
It’s a religion not a PR exercise.
Please dont encourage them
Not true Guido.
There are lady Freemasons.
‘Tis true too, Ladies are not admitted within the UGLE they can pretend to be within their own organisation of lady masons.
” Nor do the Freemasons…”
Indeed not, here is a timely reminder of why:
You wanna b a Bish the get the NH to give you a sex change….problem solved..EASY!!!