November 19th, 2012

Guardian Published McAlpine Name During Twitch-hunt

The Guardian website published George Monboit’s deleted Tweets revealing Lord McAlpine as the Newsnight paedophile suspect. Monbiot deleted the offending tweets and grovelled as soon as McAlpine declared he was going to sue the entire internet. However Guido can now reveal that they appeared on the Guardian website during the height of the Twitter witch-hunt at the beginning of the month and, as of 1300 Monday, are still there:

As many re-tweeters are about to find out, re-publication is just as serious as publication. Indeed, far more people will have seen this on the Guardian’s high-traffic pages than on Monbiot’s somewhat niche Twitter feed. The Guardian are not paying any of Monbiot’s legal fees as apparently he was  publishing in a ‘personal capacity’. The liability here is direct…


150 Comments

  1. 1
    EC1 PhD says:

    Marvellous – less fat too

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    • 6
      Ivor Biggun says:

      how tragic for them! Perhaps they can share Moonbat’s defence team…

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    • 63
      Mr J says:

      Brian’s report is out any day now but it looks like it has already been superseded by events.

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    • 79
      Max Hastings Blacked Up When He Was In The Falklands says:

      Dear oh fucking dear… Someone’s for the high-jump all right!

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    • 84
      Homer says:

      So when Phil having shown his viewer the names then asked Dave if he was aware of the names and Dave said yes. Does that mean Dave is also guilty?

      To be honest i think Mcalpine’s lawyers are going too far. His name has been cleared end of. Obviously get some dosh off the BBC and the BIJ for starting it all in the first place and the high profile anti Conservatives such as Bercow and moonbat who fanned the flames but leave the little people whom these movers and shakers whipped up into a Twenzy alone imho. Aren’t we taught to believe that everything the BBC says is true? The Tweet that started all this made it clear that Newsnight was outing a definite child abuser not a suspect.

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      • 88
        Man in Peckham says:

        Homer – No because Dave wasn’t accusing him – only saying he was aware of the names being bandied around.

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        • 96
          Homer says:

          Mr P, I used that as an example of how stupid this is all becoming.

          The BIJs tweet and Newsnight are who started all this and by saying senior Tory in Thatcher gov it created intrigue and a which hunt by senior Labour supporters. Many in the know were already aware of the name (tv production teams leak) as Critch’s tweet on the same day shows and no doubt it was also the gossip of Westminster, probably hundreds knew the name before newsnight was broadcast. The little people were being used by the media and political class. That imho is why the lawyers should only go after the one’s who started it and those in the know who poured petrol on the flames.

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      • 100
        M says:

        “Obviously get the dish off the BBC and the BIJ”
        Perhaps the money should come out of the pay structure of the incompetent
        And not out of the working man in the streets licence fee . I expect true hypocrisy of labours mouth piece , will out .

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    • 108
      yeah, right... says:

      George will, quite reasonable, use the defence of ‘not of sound mind’

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    • 144
      Maurie says:

      I just love the statement at the top of the Guardian’s webpage:

      “Comment is free on Twitter”. Might just cost a few quid after all.

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  2. 2
    Grauniad hater says:

    Ooooh goody….

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    • 89
      Ken Lorp says:

      You’ve gotta love these lefties … they’re as dumb as a pile of pig-shit.

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      • 110
        Backwoodsman says:

        No, no, they’re just ‘better, more intelligent people’, remember !!
        Why oh why didn’t that daft old bat polly get in on the act – her , bigcow and moonbat, full house.

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  3. 3
    keith says:

    Gulp gulp gulp

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  4. 4
    Kent Imwell says:

    So if *you* are publishing the re-published retweets, will you also get a letter?

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    • 7
      Lord Denning says:

      Have you considered a career at the bar?

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    • 9
      Jimmy says:

      It’s different if it appears on a site which is likely to be believed.

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      • 13
        ÁC1 says:

        Well as it was on that den of conspirazoid insanity called the Grauniad, he can use that as part of his defence.

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      • 16
        Anonymous says:

        Surely no ones believes anything on the Gruniad site? Might be their best defence?

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      • 20
        Anonymous says:

        Times reveal that wimmin aee up in arms,
        they get tricked into sleeping with men,
        in this case under.the.cover cops.

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        • 21
          Anonymous says:

          there is apparently little known amd highly secretive tribunals that the police is aware of.

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        • 31
          Selohesra says:

          Didn’t understand that – were they saying they did not want to sleep with the guy but did so for the cause – ie basically they are little more than prostitutes

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          • It's all my fault says:

            You have to listen very carefully and concentrate. Stop playing with yourself and concentrate for once!

            Women who decide it was a bad idea only sleep with a man becuase he tricked into it. They wouldn’t have done it otherwise.

            Want to know if it’s your fault? Look in your pants – if there’s a penis in there it’s your fault and you will only try to trick people.

            You can go back to not concentrating now.

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          • Anonymous says:

            well, i guess the wimmin are saying that the men wanted to get close to them.
            they had ulterior motives. cause they were on the job.
            it is just that they did not know that the men were being paid to sleep with them.
            so who is the prostitute? dickhead.

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    • 28
      Aydodge E. Scheisster QC says:

      The horse has bolted from the barn, FFS! Obviously, If Lord Mac has decided to take legal action against Moonbat, Lord Mac tacitly permits the scurrilous remark to be republished. There’s no point in continuing to sue all further re-Tweeters, since what they are doing is in effect making Lord Mac’s moral argument for him– “See? Some idiot as much as called somebody a perv, and now must pay!”

      Plus, there’s probably no dosh in it, which is always a fact to be considered in these matters, innit?

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      • 35
        Sir William Waad says:

        Q: What do Lord McAlpine, George Monbiot, the BBC, the newspapers, the blogosphere, Alan Davies, 500 slavering lawyers, Sally Bercow and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh have in common?

        A: They don’t appear to care a jot about the victims of abuse.

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        • 37
          Lord Denning says:

          That is extremely silly, as you know full well. It is possible to care about more than one subject at a time.

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          • Sir William W says:

            But they’re so gleeful. Monbiot & Co would have been like dogs with two if Lord A had actually abused children. It would be a far better outcome for them than if no children had been abused, don’t you think? And now we’re all getting off on their being in trouble over it.

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          • Sir William W says:

            Two tails

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        • 130
          Anonymous says:

          lord max has refused to meet george messham, or for that matter even steve messham.

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  5. 5
    Kebab Time says:

    Surely he is just sating a fact, Lord M was what he described.

    Besides all these rumors appear to have been online for years ( including politicians of all parties ), there is either a major cover up or a major campaign of deceit by those making the allegations….

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  6. 8
    Alan Rusbridger says:

    Oh Fuck…

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  7. 11
    Nonjob says:

    Comment is free!

    But it looks like it’s gonna cost ol’ Monbiot dearly!

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  8. 12
    George But Dim says:

    Wow, great start to the week.

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    • 134
      Low QI says:

      Annoying lefty ‘comedian’ Alan Davies appears to have got himself tangled up in this Twittergeddon. McAlpine is truly the gift that keep’s on giving. Wonder if Fry had any thoughts on the matter.

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  9. 14

    I would say that given the Grauniad’s feed is using Twitter’s API to filter a specific grouping of individuals’ tweets – their staff, and it appears selected freelancers – an editorial decision has been taken to ‘pre-approve’ this material for publication; ergo, they’re in the dock too… Unless there’s some kind of disclaimer, and I don’t see it. The page clearly states, news and views from ‘comment is free’.

    Dear oh dear. when I think of the aggro I used to get on their, and the fuss their lawyers made about one piece… dear oh dear oh dear

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  10. 15
    Nun of the above says:

    Maybe I am being thick, but hasn’t Guido just effectively re-broadcast the tweet, so should expect a summons?

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    • 22
      Anonymous says:

      He’s got his servers in some wonga wonga republic, so ‘publishing’ from them would in theory take him out of the UK libel laws. In reality they could have a go as the ‘publication’ is broadcast into the UK. I seem to recall that several Tory grandees where named here a few weeks ago so I’d expect our learned friends to have a go at the blogs before too long just for the fees!

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  11. 18
    IDF says:

    The bastards Hamas are distributing photos from other conflicts and pretending that they are from Gaza. http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=292475

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  12. 24
    Henry Brubaker says:

    How wonderful!

    please please please please let their evidence that Polly retweeted Monbiots tweet.

    Could it be that good?

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  13. 27
    Rodger and Doubt says:

    I don’t understand how some blogs, scallywag etc, have been able to display a Guardian article dating back to 1997 naming all sorts of names and haven’t previously been done by the lawyers. Not surprisingly when I just looked the offending article has been removed. Hey ho, apparently nothing is deleted on the internet

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  14. 30
    Mr Galloway says:

    I went to see the doctor this morning as I get a stabbing pain in my right eye every time I drink tea or coffee.

    He advised me to try taking the spoon out of the cup first.

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    • 147
      George, it's time for your medicine says:

      Thieves have stolen the toilet pans from Scotland Yard. A police spokesman said that they had nothing to go on.

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  15. 32
    Sir William Waad says:

    Lord Monbiot is Fantasiser of the Guardian Party and a very powerful man.

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  16. 41
    Angry bird says:

    According to a lawyer on the idiot lantern a viable defence is that Ld McA has already been compensated by the BBC. Anyone repeating the allegation has caused vastly reduced levels of damage so as to be insignificant.

    Logical if you think about it. No court would award £185000 from every re-tweeter.

    Has any credit been given for all of the hits his B&B website has had, and subsequent bookings gained?

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    • 138
      Anonymous says:

      the man is in the clear.
      though no one is in the clear for ever.
      The FearUncertainityDoubt approach works, making the recipient go down in the circle of hell.
      not liberating or life giving.

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  17. 43
    steve smith says:

    Greedo has blurred the page the grauniard didnt. Given their parlous state this could be the end of Polly , oh happy day

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  18. 44
    Angry bird says:

    Another thought. The claimant has to prove it was you who made the allegation. With Twatter, if you go under your name then they know it’s you, but with say Order Order, having your IP address still doesn’t lead you to the person who typed the words. Me? My missus? One of my 10 kids? The cat?
    Even a virus/keylogger. My computer had been hijacked by persons unknown m’lud.

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    • 51
      Sally on the Sofa says:

      Yes I’d really have a lot of confidence if you were handling my *defence*

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      • 56
        Angry bird says:

        Tell me where I’m wrong.

        Are you saying that my whole family are jointly and severally liable for everything written on my computer?

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        • 64
          Al Jolson says:

          You’re right. An IP address is not a name but that doesn’t excuse anonymous sickos making offensive statements about people. It’s up to site owners to moderate effectively.

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        • 98
          Sally on the Sofa says:

          Because, genius

          a) she has already publicly admitted she sent them

          b) you think she’s now going to blame her husband (the speaker – doh) or her young kids for sending late night texts?

          c) Do you really think if it came to trial claiming ‘a very bad man did it and ran away’ she’d be considered a credible witness

          d) Do you think her lawyers would allow her? They’re going to tell her to settle as quickly as she can, not contest a no-hope case

          Why are bar room lawyers always morons

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    • 54
      @Sally Bercow says:

      Well if I was Mcalpine I would just focus on those people who admitted and apologised about their tweets…like me for example.
      Oops me and my big fucking gob*sad Face*

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    • 58
      Rebekkah says:

      You may need to throw your PC in a skip to get away with that one.

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      • 115
        Airey Belvoir says:

        It is quite possible that Mrs Bercow is so silly, selfish, deluded and attention-seeking that she won’t mind being prosecuted – and her hapless little husband having to find 100K and costs, so she can parade as a ‘twitter martyr’ and dine out on the notoriety. She has already suggested that she is being bullied…

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  19. 45
    Mr Galloway says:

    David cameron is a knob jockey!!

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  20. 46
    Hayek was right says:

    ‘Comment is free’

    but those tweets won’t be!

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  21. 47
    Moussa Koussa's pet meerkat says:

    What exactly does Moonbat say in his tweet that’s libellous? He simply states a fact.
    This is getting silly and someone ought to be resisting it.

    Thought all you righties were in favour of free speech? Or not when it comes out of a leftie’s mouth or pen?

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    • 60
      Nun of the above says:

      Well what did Newsnight say in their piece?

      Nothing… that’s correct which is why they coughed up £180k of our money

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    • 61
      enough's enough says:

      Yes, it’s getting ridiculous now. One sides witch hunt is another sides ‘pursuit of justice’.

      It’s more to do with sadism, greed, and hypocrisy.

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    • 75
      Jimbo says:

      “a fact” ?

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    • 93
      Man in Peckham says:

      Moussa – lefties don’t like being caught out. They don’t have the backbone to put their hands in the air and admit they’ve been caught.

      They just whine and whinge and behave like cowards. They need to find some integrity – especially that cow woman, Sally down our alley.

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  22. 54
    Mad Frankie's Older Sister says:

    After all that tax avoidance they will be able to afford the payout. £500k should do. ……. or perhaps Monibots head impaled on a spike at Westminster?

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  23. 59
    enough's enough says:

    Witch hunts are never edifying.

    Whether it be a horde of sneering lefties pursuing an elderly Tory, egged on by the BBC and the Labour Party, or whether it’s a rich man and his gung ho lawyers hunting down the plebs, it makes for a pretty sordid spectacle.

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    • 72
      Andrew Marr says:

      The only crimes in this country that people are allowed to get all shitty about is Racism and kiddy fiddling.
      Being accused of either is a real life wrecker even if you’re innocent.

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      • 141
        Anonymous says:

        well, ppl who have been wongly accused of rape have lived to see another day.
        bas things happen and we have to face it. perhaps we are at a really early stage of understanding child sexual abuse. The attention it is getting is a start.

        less hysteria=more understanding
        less undertanding=more manipulation.

        your choice.

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  24. 62
    A W_G says:

    As McAlpine is donating the proceeds to charity, I hope he takes Monbigot & co. to the cleaners.

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  25. 65
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Tipping the Guardian over the edge, have they any assets left to sell?

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  26. 67
    I wonder why Geedo doesn't want anyone to see this says:

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  27. 68
    Seth the pig farmer says:

    I imagine Moonbat will be trying very hard to find a way to socialise the losses.

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  28. 71
    Angry bird says:

    So it’s reported that he wants £500k from ShITV.
    If they willingly give it (a la BBC) then will everybody whose name was on Schofield’s list get the same?

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  29. 73
    Freeemason watch says:

    Got to give credit where credit is due, these Freemasons are good, bloody good.

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    • 103
      The Grandmaster says:

      Thank you. Boaz.

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    • 143
      Anonymous says:

      now imagine.
      corruption is the language we use to communicate.
      corruption is in our thought process.
      corruption is the western thought.

      now imagine there some folk who see this,
      they want power. at any price.
      we are at the end of an evolutionary process.

      if freemason are bloody good, the they are are the space scientists of the inner world. The world has been created by this inner world. the two are in perfect harmony. though it gets hysterical when the public gets a glimpse, but the public itself is so reliant on this corrupt mental and emotional eco.system. It takes guts to escape it. and rome was not built in a day either,

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    • 85
      National Socialist says:

      Doesn’t the stupid woman have a job to go to instead of pissing about on Twatter.

      Oh and the Torygraph says she is being sued by you know who.

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    • 87
      sick of the old minger says:

      She’s just a narcissistic attention seeking media slag. She does these things deliberately to keep her name and skanky face in the headlines, without publicity she would shrivel up and disappear up her own vast orifice.

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    • 91

      She also stated – as fact – that the teacher HAD run off with her, and asked if he was banged up yet. That’ll be sub judice then Sally…

      Bercow’s a moron.

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    • 92
      Bill says:

      the girl is a minor and her name should be kept out of the public domain. As for this case say hyperthetically (sic) that the reason she ran away was because one of her releatives was abusing her. It would now mean that the defendant name is out in the open. Sally could be liable for comtempt of court. In her foolish way she could have named an abused child.

      So Mrs speaker could have in theory put the inncocent girls name in the public domain.

      I am not alleging any abuse took place but why minors are not named and has not been named in this case.

      Hopefully it just a case of an infactuated teacher and pupil who ran away with each other.

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      • 124
        roger says:

        Seriously.
        Is Twitter the public domain or a private domain with many thousands of private members?. I have to be first a member (twit?) and the a follower of someone to receive their tweets, seems like a closed domain to me.
        If courts rule twitter is ‘publishing’ then it is time to shut it down and move to something truly private.
        Is it a form of slander and not libel?, the lawyers will get fat either way.

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  31. 82
    Civil Servant says:

    And now you’ve repeated it, too you fat idiot. If you think it’s libelous, you must think you’ve just libeled him, too.

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  32. 86
    tomisnotaslav says:

    Not convinced Lord McA is going after the websites that displayed people’s Tweets. Otherwise he’d presumably be suing Twitter, no?

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  33. 90
    Everything is on the internet says:

    That “Sally boobs again” link in Seen Elsewhere names the teacher who eloped with a schoolgirl, while saying that Alley Sally shouldn’t have named the girl. I keyed the teacher’s name into the Telegraph’s search engine and it instantly brought up an old Telegraph news item with the girl’s name in it. Hmm.

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  34. 94
    Philip Scumfield says:

    Maybe the people who get sued can sue Scumfield for encouraging them to join in the witch hunt with his This Morning stunt.

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  35. 99
    TEa CUp says:

    At this rate McAlps will be suing Twitter and Tim Berners Lee.

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  36. 101
    Mr Green Lizard says:

    why is Mcalpine etc.. not going after the real poison being spewed out that lunatic David Icke.
    is Icke above the law?

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    • 104
      David Icke says:

      YES.

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    • 105
      The Grandmaster says:

      Icke may be a lizard but he enjoys the protection of the lodge. Jahbulon

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    • 107
      More Cheese says:

      Could it be that Icke has evidence? He was going on about Saville for years and is now being proved correct.

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      • 112
        Jimmy Savile stroked my hamster says:

        Do you think that he is a prophet without honour in his own country ?

        Anyway one thing is for sure: he was a crap goalkeeper .

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        • 126
          Anonymous says:

          He had arthritis.

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        • 128
          More Cheese says:

          I don’t buy the lizard stuff, and to a degree I think that’s a smokescreen. Having made such wild claims, he can dig up genuine dirt on people, and they can just dismiss him as a nutter. However, once he’s published it, it’s out there in the public domain, and that’s Icke’s real agenda.

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      • 140
        anonzoosz says:

        Icke was “proven correct” about Savile because old fashioned investigators at ITV did a lot of ‘shoe leather reporting’ work, like interviewing a bunch of people, corroborating stories, fact checking, etc.

        I.E. Icke did not have any of what you would call ‘good evidence’, he didn’t take time to go do any traditional shoe leather reporting because that’s not his cup of tea. Fact checking, verification, editing, proof-reading, ….

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    • 145
      Anonymous says:

      the key question is who is protected?
      the most protected runs the show.

      so the The Queen or the President of America?

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  37. 106
    More Cheese says:

    Interesting how McAlps is not going after David Ike who has published loads of things about him and claims to have enough evidence to bury him.

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  38. 116
    Anonymous says:

    Didn’t people mention it on your site?

    Can we stop falling for the attempt to distract from the real issue of institutionalised child abuse? coverup.

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  39. 117
    Henry says:

    “as of 1300 Monday, are still there:”

    As of 1630, they’ve disappeared. Good to see that the Graunies read Guido!

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  40. 118
    Henry says:

    “Comment is free on Twitter”

    ROTFL. Comment can be very expensive on twitter.

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  41. 120
    well chuffed says:

    at the risk of loads of egg on face , I think it is is most unlikely that the noble Lord will sue , he is relying on his bully boy brief to avoid that. Still haven’t figured out how he squeezed 185k out of the beeb for not naming him. Life is strange. I would love to see la Bercow get taken to the cleaners but that ain’t gonna happen either

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    • 121
      Anonymous says:

      Likewise. he doesn’t want this to end up in court. this is an excuse to crack down on social media. he won’t sue icke who says he looks forward to going to court!

      £285k of taxpayers money given to a man who wasn’t even named. (£100k alone in legal fees).

      bloggers like guido fawkes beware. you are in the firing line. don’t fall for it.

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  42. 125
    Where's the libel? says:

    re “Lord McAlpine was treasurer of the Conservative Party under Mrs Thatcher, and a very powerful man”

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  43. 133
    @IrinaDrozdova01 says:

    And you my good friend retweeted Iain Overton’s grossly defamatory November 2nd tweet “If all goes well we’ve got a Newsnight out tonight about a very senior political figure who is a paedophile” along with Jemima Khan, George Monbiot and Tom Watson http://topsy.com/twitter.com/iainoverton/status/264308253033381888.

    McAlpine has said he’s going after Overton. Will he go after Jemima Khan (who has deleted her retweet https://twitter.com/iainoverton/status/264308253033381888 for some reason) as well, the daughter of his good friend the late Sir James Goldsmith? Can she credibly deny she didn’t know Overton was fingering McAlpine? Khan amd Overton were judges together at Amnesy International’s 2012 Media Awards.

    Most fascinating of all – will British newspapers ever pick up on this story? What the fuck is wrong with them?

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  44. 135
    Anonymous says:

    Surely by republishing them you are about to get a visit

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  45. 146
    Jess The Dog says:

    This will not end up in court. He’ll nail media organisations and high profile individuals through out of cort settlements, plus any fool who actually writes to his lawyers. Tweeters were simply commenting on a media story. Remember the superinjunction gags that were going to bring down the internet? Yawn.

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  46. 149
    Jess The Dog says:

    The retreat from litigation is starting. McAlpine’s lawyers will settle out of court with organisations and big names, and profess the rest of their campaign a success, regardless of takeup. This will never end up anywhere near a court.

    http://www.itv.com/news/update/2012-11-20/mcalpine-tweeters-with-fewer-than-500-followers-asked-to-donate-to-charity/

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