Guardian’s George Monbiot Apologises To Lord McAlpine
Speaking of uninformed commentators and trial by Twitter, George Monbiot has been in full grovelling mode today.
Though I didn't make direct allegations, I think I was wrong to hve mentiond McAlpine on Twittr, as contribtd to febrile atmos. I apologise.—
(@GeorgeMonbiot) November 09, 2012
Possibly something to do with the heavy threat of legal action at the end of McAlpine’s statement. Monbiot’s now-deleted tweets included:
I looked up Lord #McAlpine on t’internet. It says the strangest things.
I can confirm that Lord #McAlpine was Conservative Party Treasurer when Mrs Thatcher was prime minister.
Historical fact of the week: Lord #McAlpine was a well-known treasurer of the Conservative Party during the Thatcher era.
What was that about evidence-based science…
Suck it up George….every fucking drop.
Having dropped the ‘Lord’, he is now probably ok naming names?
I could tell you a thing or two about my experiences on Phil’s lap.
Start saving up, George.
As I understand there is no money in one suing one without money, all that will happen it one will end up losing loads of money. I don’t know whether one could be ordered to pay 50p a week.
Lord McAlpine – if you read this excellent web site – SUE THEM / HIM they are not your friends. They are gutter journalists who will smear on any story if it will suit their political aims – remember the famous Norman Tebbit interview just before the the 1987 General Election, or the fake notes in the Neil Hamilton scandal – all on the Guardian pay roll.
Donate your winnings to Toby Young’s Free School campaign, or the Adam Smith Institute etc
Roundell, what about child line?
I believe that friend of the downtrodden George lives in a house, a very big house, in the country (of Wales)
My boy’s good for it.
George’s Registry of interests.
All he said (as given here) was facts aren’t they? Which bit is wrong?
Hee haw hee haw our good buddy Tom W has got one of his special smears a bubblin’ mey-be we can hoover up some crumbs fron this hee haw hee haw
For some reason he hasn’t started suing, David Icke has been saying this for years and years.
So you are a disciple of David Icke. No need to say anymore.
He might be a disciple but it’s true why has Icke not been taken to the cleaners.
Must be worth a few bob after standing for a week talking about the cast of V
See Icke’s site is down as well maybe the server is based on Arran and that earthquake has finally hit.
But he must be guilty. I spent three whole minutes on the internet researching this.
you’re a troll, I googled it.
…
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showpost.php?p=56329518&postcount=2281
So the BBC dumped a prog exposing Savile but went ahead with a prog exposing a Thatcher minister.
Except the BBC’S Savile was guilty and the Thatcher minister proven innocent years ago.
What does that say about the BBC?
Other issue is the Savile is Thatcher’s friend, its being said he spent number of Xmus with her (and her family). So if BBC can be accused so is Tories and the government.
He was also given keys and flats in hospitals under Mrs T’s government.
LOL so Jimmy never once met a labour PM ? during the whole of his fame during the 1970′s? then was only evil from 1979 to 1997 the after that he became holy jim the 2010 he became evil again !
That’s another allegation.
I’ve seen it written somewhere that Savile once gate-crashed a Thatcher Christmas party. As they could hardly sling him out, they had to endure his presence. Since then, an urban myth has been cultivated that Savile and Thatcher were close, which was not the case.
So which is true? I don’t know.
Savile became a friend of Margaret Thatcher, who in 1981, described his work as “marvellous”.[59] He reportedly spent eleven consecutive New Years Eves at Chequers with Thatcher and her family.[60] In 1984, he was accepted as a member of the Athenaeum Club, a gentlemen’s club in London’s Pall Mall after being proposed by Cardinal Basil Hume.[61]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile
Can you really see Mrs Thatcher inviting Jimmy Savile to spend christmas with her ? neither can i !
Who ‘said’ …you, David Icke, Tom Watson,or Schofield?.
Your time would be better spend learning to spell ..Xmus FFS.
I think you will find accusations generally need some basis in fact. Just because the BBC was accused, why would that automatically mean the Tories have to be too? Unless smear them all is your tactic to mask the blame?
The science is settled
Our Jimmy was innocent.
Thatcher’s Lord is guilty.
The world is warming and the thermometers are lying.
Jonathan Ross is top Talent
It never rains in Manchester.
Funny that the BBC news kept banging on about a cabinet minister from “.. the Thatcher era …”. I wonder why?
The World Service news confined itself to referring to a “former cabinet minister from the 1970s”
When the previous (Labour) government is in the frame for anything the BBC limits itself to ‘the government of the day’ or simply ‘the government’.
Thatcher shafted miners in the ’80′s too you know…
This is the unedited Max Clifford video
At approx 1.25 Clifford admits that 14 year old girls were abused.
The MET should be feeling his collar right now…
https://player.vimeo.com/video/53035544
you are wasting your time on here.
They are all public school boys on here who got a good roasting from Flashman.
You really need treatment, that is not a normal thing to say. As a matter of interest, what is your job ?
deflect deflect
What the feck is wrong with you anonymong? You must be one hell of a lonely b*st*rd.
Get some fresh air for the sake of what’s left of your sanity!
Seems to me all roads lead to the BBC. They tried to hide the Savile scandal and when they couldn’t they tried to broaden it to the NHS and when they couldn’t they tried to blame Thatcher. So now they can’t blame Thatcher will they finally fess up?
http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/Oct201295/jimmy-savile-thatcher-nspcc.jpg
Couldn’t have happened to a nastier man than George Monbiot. Total scum, spent the week smearing and now found out as an uninformed little shit
He’s an uninformed BIG shit….
The BBC asked Jimmy Savile if he was a child abuser, he said no and they left it.
Well he seemed so normal.
Dont understand why “people” are listening to the massed vioces of the abused now!
Could it be Murdochs revenge? Is he feeding the fire to bring down the government?
Shouldnt it be the massed voices of the alleged abused ? there are supposedly so many that its satrting to sound rather unlikely.
I believe you’re right N.C., and have thought so for a while now.
Mind you, anyone who chooses B.Liar as a godparent for his child is not right in the head.
The child doesn’t have to admit to it, unless they see possible advantage. It could happen !
Is that any different to Lord Mac, or anyone else for that matter, coming out and saying he didn’t do it and everyone saying, ” Oh in that case that’s sufficient evidence. We no longer need to investigate, he’s said he didn’t do it Case closed.”
To be fair, at least Lord Mac has come out to face his accusers ,the other alleged suspects have yet to break cover.
Meanwhile Operation Ore remains under lock and key and I’m still wondering if Charles Lynton was fined £500 for cottaging in the 80′s. Circle ‘em wagons boys.
SUE,SUE the bastards
Wonder if Speaker Burcow will be having words with his wife about her tweeting?
She’s my wife now!
Then you are a bigger fool than anyone suspected Patrick.
Lefties go in for wind farms and similarly stupid things so don’t expect them to ever consider evidence-based science.
Not good enough. I urge all decent people to perform a citizen’s arrest.
Shall we establish some facts first, or not bother with those and go straight to public lynching?
As in one of the late Ronald Reagan’ jokes:
“Are you guys a lynch mob?”
“Nope, we’re going to give the bum a fair trial before we string him up.”
The mea culpa is George Monbiot’s. The evidence of which is a matter of public record.
It is clearly Monbiot’s apology which Jimmy finds to be “not good enough.”
It’s actually reassuring to note that Jimmy is not quite as tribal as he sometimes appears and is willing, in this case, to condemn wrongdoing by someone on his side of the political divide. If only more were like him.
That’s your interpetation. Mine is a wider point.
I think you’re wrong. Jimmy is completely tribal and often prone to totalitarian ramblings when supporting his crew.
This condemnation of Monbiot’s twit probably has more to do with a personal disagreement or historical row between the two.
Or a sockpuppet
My crew? I believe he’s a supporter of your coalition partners.
And let’s face it, the whole “torch wielding villager” meme is more of a rightie thing. If you’re genuinely concerned with the issue then restore vetting and barring and let babylon get on with the rest.
I think daft Jimmy is T.Watson. Sounds as neurotic & childish as that fat bugger anyway.
That seems to be the way some people are thinking. I cant decide if they are serious, hiding something or are just trolls.
You’se ba’ Laird George Robertson and eyez clam ma’ General Clark scalp!
Burp….
That’s another ‘name’ floating about. I gather there’s a couple of Lib Dems, too. Those seeking to make party political advantage out of something like this had better be very careful. There are unsubstantiated rumours about all sorts of people. There are far fewer facts about.
There are very few ‘facts’ about Savile’s behaviour?
Also true. That he was keen to grope groupies is well established. That any of them were underage is not yet proven, as far as I’m aware.
You obviously have not seen the photo in to-day’s Daily Mail – (How the BBC Nailed The Wrong Man) Jimmy Saville is groping a young girl, blatently,and in full view of all. If she had been my 15 (approx) year old daughter, I would have killed him. That picture is certainly fact.
You would think that left and right would unite over such serious allegations against children.
Ask a criminal if they committed a crime and most times they will deny it.
But as long as your side is alright.
So, without any concrete evidence, I connected YOU to a scurrilous charge on the internet, you think that could be reasonably described as “serious allegations”?
McAlpine (one of them) was named by an abused child as his abuser. If victims of crime cannot do this how will we achieve anything?
And if the accuser had mistaken his abuser’s identity, it’s still OK to convict the person named?
What planet are you on, exactly; it sure as Hell ain’t this one.
Nobody has been convicted. If the accuser is mistaken, or the public assume a different person, how is that his fault? And again, the alternative is that nobody can be accused and they escape justice. That is even worse.
Convicting an innocent person of something this vile is even worse. Hence the need for facts before making public allegations.
The mob mentality is quite disturbing in all this Its the same with the half-wits who wait outside police stations to barrack alleged sex offenders. Presumably these morons don’t hold down full time employment? They certainly seem to have plenty of free time.
The planet you’re on is Uranus, and you are talking out of it!!
I’m confused. Some middle aged guy accuses some old guy, who is of public office, of abusing him when he was a child. Then middle aged guy looks at picture of old guy some years later, and says no, it wasn’t him. If I was abused as a child by someone, I don’t think I would ever forget who he was. I get confused very easily but could it be that old guy or, maybe, one of his friends, paid off middle aged guy and is now suing everyone in sight to get his bribe money back. I just can’t understand why no one else has said this, or perhaps they’re also scared of being sued!
Is there a different criminal justice system in place for people such as him? Allegations have been made against him by a survivor of abuse – was he ever brought in for police questioning or, unlike us plebs, is it that his word (like Savile) and a public statement is all that is required from a member of the elite, for suspicions to be dismissed.
Look you twerp get some evidence and go to the police !!
ANONYMONG………… F.Y.I…………….NOBODY HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING YOU STUPID SOD!
Sorry folks for the shouting, but this tw*t gets on my lillies.
140 characters in search of a way out.
Mombiot shits his pants.
Disgrace! That’ll add to global warming.
Good old Mac what a pillar of society he is.Now is the time to put these hack to the sword of justice whilst furled in the flag of seeming righteousness…Innit ?
Don’t forget the ‘Shield of truth’
The confusion appears to be that the allegation was reported as:
“* A man who bears the same surname as a prominent Conservative supporter. Two witnesses have told the tribunal of a rich and powerful man who belonged to the alleged ring.”
This has been transmuted into the man *being* the prominent Conservative supporter.
There’s one born every minute, and you’re it, soft lad.
“I think I was wrong…”
He merely thinks he was wrong, he’s still not entirely sure.
The days when public figures issued a simple, dignified and UNQUALIFIED apology are long gone.
Monbiot is a fucking narcissist…
When I was at school a kid threw something at teachers back in class – when teacher asked who had done that one lad fessed up -’I think it might have been me sir’ – brave fellow especially as he wasn’t sure whether he’d thrown it or not
Back in the 80′s Tony Blackburn invited me to a pool party. I brought Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter. When I arrived he said “No you fool I said bring a pair of speedos”
Not convinced, there have been a heck of a lot of rumours about McAlpine’s past behaviour for many years! Saville started with rumours, he strenuously denied them threatening legal action, and er, turns out he was guilty as sin.
How many stories has Guido gone with on the strength of rumours……
The noble Lords’ learned friends exercise a lot of clout in this matter.
Agreed. The Chester M.P. – Party Treasurer relationship seems pretty compelling that it’s m’Lord we’re interested in.
It’s lucky that in this country we don’t have the concept of “innocent until proven guilty”, because otherwise what you’ve said would be very dangerous.
Labour removed the presumption of innocence. Now the courts can make guilty inferences from your silence.
Just another way that Labour fucked up society during their reign of terror.
Evidence? We don’t need no evidence! We don’t got to show you no stinkin’ evidence!
Don’t take the redundancy package just yet George as you may well have to hand it over as compensation
His Lordship speaks and Guido tugs his forelock.
Glad to see that little misunderstanding’s cleared up then.
This whole thing leads back once again to the BBC and Newsnight. They were the ones who were dropping very heavy hints at who it was.
Time I think for Newsnight to apologise, that report they did was meaningless and nothing new.
And exactly when was it we never mentioned any names?
COME ON, COME ON.
For the avoidance of doubt we wish it to be known that we used much more evidence* than this when we decided to throw our unbiased charter under a bus when talking about green issues.
* We used Altavista rather than Google
George is a caring, eco-lefty and therefore we can rule out any malice on his part.
and intelligence
Moonbat must realise just how close to the precipice he has walked…..
Nice to see the extremists backing orff…..
If Moonbat’s wrong about McAlpine, then what else has he got seriously wrong?
Moonbat has made a career out of being wrong about almost evereything
Most everything
Shut up Moonbat!
Monbiot is one of the army of cultural marxists who have been busy polluting the minds of the people of Europe for years with their corrosive leftist/liberal/anti-white crap.
You can’t shut these barstewards up, they control most of the media in this country.
Granted, it’s a good story, but why’s it taken over 30 years to be produced when the rumours have been around for years?
Still summat fishy here.
……is this not the same question we are all asking about Saville?????
Naming and shaming on the strength of the internet? Shameful. Who would be so stupid??
What we need in this country is a justice system. In the meantime we’ll have to settle for trial by twitter. It makes mistakes, but it managed to identify the right McAlpine in less than a week. Something the establishment couldn’t achieve in twenty years. BTW; how are the Guildford Four doing these days?
Would the ex Justice Minister be a suitable candidate to devise & implement a suitable system?
Guilt by association isn’t a good idea.
The Guardian aren’t saying that Lord McAlpines relatives did it; they’re saying he had releatives nearby and it could be mistaken identity.
They say Steven Messham didn’t know of any of the McAlpines, so I don’t see why he should settle on the Lord, but there we are.
Probably egged on by Twatson
Come on, George! You can do better than that! You only THINK you were wrong? You don’t KNOW you were wrong?
About time Sally Bercow did the same…
Please stop giving that desperate, wannabe z-lister, attention-seeking, narcissistic skank the oxygen of publicity that she craves.
There is that, I suppose. No-one listens to her anyway so perhaps she thinks no-ones’ noticed. It’s just that smug cow “*innocent face*” comment she finished off with that rankles.
Aha, Monbiot’s been flushed out and is trying a desperate rear guard action by deleting his tweets.
He’s been exposed as someone who tweets first and thinks later. What a plonker!
Tom Watson likes to scout for rough trade in the gents toilets at Birmingham Station. He goes in disguise, wearing a suit that fits and a pair of glasses that don’t make him look like a complete twat.
Hey, this is easy.
Are you sure you’re not mixing him up with someone called Charles Lynton?
Ah, that’s the guy working the glory hole in cubicle 2.
Must have a mouth like Teflon, I tell you.
When will these Jimmy savile allegations ever end? Police are now saying that Jeremy Beadle may have had a small hand in it.
“Now, Alistair, we can see how having dodgy relatives can be a problem for a gentleman in your situation, and we wouldn’t want you to need to be bothered having to clean up their mess all the time. Leave it to us, old chum, we’ll sort it out for you. Your involvement need never come to light– assuming you’re willing to play ball, that is. We don’t ask for much, we only want trust– and you know it don’t come easy, if you catch our drift, Ali old man. But can you really put a pr!ce on pe*ace of mind? We should think it were worth whatever it takes to see to it. We’ll stay in touch, old seed, and you can bet on it.”
So now, it’s back to the recent Labour exPM and the cottaging I guess…
Who put Schofield up to that stunt? Let’s face it he’s not bright enough to think it up for himself.
I see Jona Adam Crozier is in charge at ITV. Look what he did to the Post Office, now look what’s happened at ITV.
It’s very curious how much the left condemn McCarthyism whilst being its most accomplished practictioners.
“I have in my hand a list of 205 names….” is just about par for the course for Watson, Moonbat and the rest of them. I exempt Schofield on the grounds that he is so thick that he has never heard of the subject-ideal for breakfast TV.
For the left, McCarthy is the ne plus ultra of role models.
McCarthy was right. Hollywood was full of Communists who were out to subvert America. Look at the damage they’ve been doing ever since.
Cultural Marxism straight out of the Frankfurt School is the ruling ideology in the States and Europe.
Can you get in trouble for calling Monbiot a left wing c.u.n.t.
The truth is a perfect defence. He’s also a science denier.
This is the unedited Max Clifford video
At approx 1.25 Clifford admits that 14 year old girls were abused.
The MET should be feeling his collar right now…
https://player.vimeo.com/video/53035544
Have you reported Max Clifford’s ‘crime’ to the police?
If not, do you not stand accused of the same thing you’re accusing him of?
Rejoice , we are going to Witchunt ourselves out of recession.
Does it add to GDP like mass third-world immigration does?
The Hysteria index has replaced the FTSE.
Why doesn’t Icke countenance the threat of legal action from Lord McAlpine? He could then at least air his theories/ accusations in an open court. He (Icke) should put his money where his mouth is. He’s earned enough from clueless gullible tits
Was Edward Heath close to Mrs Thatcher?
LOL! They hated the sight of each other so much they could barely stand being in the HoC at the same time.
Although to give Heath his due – when he stepped down as PM and stayed on as MP he attended the HoC full time which is more than can be said for a certain other ex PM who remains an mp.
Man who believes in sky fairies now in charge of people who believe in certain types of sky fairies.
Nice to see Moonbat dance on the the head of a pin. Squeal piggy squeal! Guess he’s not such a fan of redneck justice now.
The half baked fight back…2 weeks after the story broke says it all. Desparate attempt and trying to spin it away, and avoid a proper investigation
Hi Tom.
How’s smearing working out for you?
errrrr….its sticking…thanks for the concern
I’m surprised Guido hasn’t commented on this news yet:
The UK is to cease giving direct financial support to India by 2015 in recognition of its status as a major economic force, focusing instead on technical assistance.
Just TRADE with the fuckers, for Christs sake.
Stop this bollocks about ‘aid’ which is annoying for us and patronising to them.
Does Cameltoe know?
Technical assistance – We could certainly use it !
They sorted out Land Rover / Jaguar when neither the Brits nor the Yanks could.
Shouldn’t that be
The UK is to cease giving aid (cough cough) to India beacuse they didn’t play ball and buy our expensive rubbish planes that nobody else wants.
So why hasn’t the cowardly Tom Watson been invited on Newsnight, The Daily Politics or the Sunday Politics. Because he would not dare go on and spout his shit. You are a coward Watson, and you know it.
You can hardly call the Murdoch Slayer a coward.
I have seen Watson on many news programmes since his PMQ question.
And for the record Call Me Dave on This Morning, a change from Daybreak.
Cockerman hasnt been on Newsnight for over 2 1/2 years…and he is supposed to be the PM
‘Murdoch Slayer.’
Tee hee.
Come in Mark 2 your boat is sinking.
T.Watson only smears in Parliament, so that he can’t be prosecuted.
He is a moral coward, and a vindictive arseh*le, who will, eventually, destroy himself.
Exactly.
I have it on good authority that some of these peedos came from outer space:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk
Yes I found similar claims after spending around 3 minutes on the internet. Must be true, must be.
So where is TomWatson today then? Surely he’ll want to have his say on this latest development of his newest project to keep his publicity levels up.
Watson is an absolute joke.
How polite.
Ah yes, as predicted (by me).
It is all very well having wankfest over calling a dead guy a P’Doh but sooner or later somebody was going to point the finger at someone still alive… and it will be costly.
Monbiot, Schofield and many others are now rightly humbled but the source of this latest hysteria has slipped quietly into the background.
Given the nature of the claims and what was known at the time, why did Hague set such a narrow remit for the enquiry? Same technique as many of Blair’s whitewashes. It stinks.
Whenever a public figure or a celeb is romantically involved with a person much younger than themselves, Murdochs mongs have a dicky fit. Follow them around, root through their bins etc etc
Rupert The Mong Murdoch likes to tickly a younger model himself…”Me love you long time, sucky cucky, pay me ten dollar”
I was abused as a child Gopher on BBC premises by a man who forced me to sit on his lap and rub against his private parts.
So you keep saying
Is the gist of all this that a member of the McAlpine family, now dead, was involved in raping children?
Allegedly
How did the kids know the names of these abusers, or their backgrounds? I’m sure they didn’t say “I’m xxxx a prominent member of the Tory Government, now bend over” and I doubt that the Bryn Estyn dayroom provided copies of the Spectator, Telegraph etc.
woah there. So Alistair McAlpine may have been a case of muddle by people under stress, and apologies to him if that is the case. But the facts suggest a member of his family was implicated. So the surname given to Waterhouse was correct. There was also other public and trusted figures involved.
So on the strength of one “I didn’t do it” statement, for people to start attacking Watson and suggesting there was no conspiracy or ring, is naive.
When his lordship waves his big stick and has m’learned friends behind him, the peasants can’t get off his land quick enough.
Plenty of forelock-tugging peasants on here today.
You forgot to add the hilarious ‘toot toot’
As I posted elsewhere…
I see Sky have started the back-backlash:
http://news.sky.com/story/1009280/child-sex-abuse-victim-recalls-horror
“Child Sex Abuse Victim Recalls Horror
A child abuse victim from a care home in Wales has told Sky News he was taken to London as a 12-year-old for sex with adults. ”
No need for McAlpine to have gone to Wales, ergo he’s STILL guilty as charged. Nice move.
Hope he sues. Even if the socialist did say facts
He won’t sue.
The only evidence Monbiot requires for any of his opinions, given his inherently superior nature, is the strength of his feelings.
It’s good enough for him, so it should be good enough for you.
Move along everybody (including George Monbiot), get on with your lives.
If you want something to see then join the queue for Alpines art collection.
For the sake of clarity – one might venture to read the Maques De Sade – virtue and vices – dedicated to the subject of perversion and morality among the ‘ruling clases’ – The references to convents and monasteries, and the ‘characters’ of the wealthy ‘political’ elites – It does not take a giant leep of the imagination to work out how the child abuse networks operate in a modern context or the nature of those involved – its been going on for centuries! If I were an ‘investigative journalist’ I would look further afield than Wrexham – maybe a certain establishment in Paris or the foot of Italy!
Anyhow, just read the ‘reviews’ – or watch the website flash vids! all quite enlightening in respect of ‘allegations’
Its always the ‘dead relative’ wot done it – mistaken identity ? OK
I hope Mr Messham was shown a photo of Lord MacAlpine as he was 40 years ago. I can’t imagine the now 70 year old Lord looks anything like the person Mr Messham encountered when he (Mr Messham) was just 13 years old.
Like the BBC, George Monbiot has is deeply prejudiced against the Thatcher era. Even worse for Monbiot, he believes that denial of his dogmatic beliefs can only be due to secret funding by evil capitalists. As he tweeted:-
Like on climate, he is willing to accept any unsubstantiated “evidence” about those he despises.
http://manicbeancounter.com/2012/11/13/monbiot-and-bbc-accusing-an-innocent-man-due-to-a-common-prejudice/