October 22nd, 2012

Rich & Mark’s Monday Morning View


148 Comments

  1. 1
    Ed Miliband (Leader of the Party opposite) says:

    The number of working households forced to rely on housing benefit since the recession began in 2008 has doubled – a trend that will lead to a million earners being dependent on welfare to keep a roof over their heads by the next election, according to a report.

    The Home Truths study by the National Housing Federation found that in May 2012 there were 903,440 working recipients of housing benefits – more than double the figure for November 2008 and a jump that signifies an alarming rise in in-work poverty.

    As private rents rise faster than wages, another 10,000 working people a month need housing benefit to afford their rent. By the next election, the study warns, 1.2 million “strivers” will only be able to stay in their homes through welfare payments.

    The federation’s analysis is that housing is becoming unaffordable as supply is outpaced by demand. The number of households in Britain is growing three times as fast as the number of homes being built.

    In England by 2018 the average weekly rent will be £245, up from today’s £181, a leap of 35%, the study says. The lingering recession means house prices will fall next year but then rise sharply. By 2018 homes in England will cost on average £292,060, almost £60,000 more than today.

    The result is that increasingly even those in work will not be able to afford to live in a home without benefits. David Orr, chief executive of the federation, said: “We now have millions of families struggling to keep on top of their rents, priced out of the housing market, and nearly 10,000 more working families every month are now reliant on housing benefit to help pay their private rent. These people are the strivers the government wants to help, yet their future is looking bleak.”

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      smoggie says:

      Labour’s toxic legacy will be with us for years to come.

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        Golly says:

        You have forgotten to mention the other subsidised Labour scheme which is called Family Credit .

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          Quiet Bat Person says:

          Housing “becoming” unaffordable? It has been unnafordable for about 7-8 years

          It is being kept like that through artificial means including low interest rates, selling to every crook in the EU who wants to get their Euros turned into assets, and the forebearance of banks who don’t want a crash to show up their balance sheets as a sham.

          Rent or own, housing is unaffordable to a whole generation. It is obscene that such a basic need is beyond the means of so many people.

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      Captn P says:

      But its all good, the tennants claim tax money from the government, they pay it to the landlords, the landlords spend it on more houses.

      Circulation of money it benefits us all?

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    • 22
      The Libor party says:

      Cut and paste. Tax and spend. It’s in our D-N-A.

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      Mornington Crescent says:

      I had to laugh at Toady this morning, who had an interview with some anonymous bird on Housing Benefit. Guess what? Yep – a single mother with 3 children.

      Tell you what, love, try this:

      1. Stay with your ‘partner’ through thick and thin, sharing your income. It’s called taking responsibility.
      2. Keep your legs shut. Failing that, get your ‘partners’ to wear a sock or swerve at the crucial moment. That too is called taking responsibility.

      How fucking difficult is it to understand?

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    • 67
      Tom Catesby says:

      Looks like the chickens have come home to roost. The consequence of the rip off of social housing, starting with Thatcher and continued by succeeding governments. No building programme of decent houses for rent. Local authorities were forbidden to spend rent receipts to maintain the fabric of properties and invest in new social housing. In a desperate attempt to appear to do something about a badly deteriorating housing situation, the trick is now to eject current tenants, who pay their rent and behave decently, were there are more bed roons in the house than they appear to need. Unless they pay an increas inrent per week per room, or sublet!

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      • 70
        Tom Catesby says:

        P.S. Would help to regenerate the building trade and provide work for people who would then also pay income tax presumably.

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          Archer Karcher says:

          Easy solution to the lack of social housing: Stop importing millions of people who are not needed, wanted or unable to support themselves independently from the state.

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    • 68
      ed martin says:

      do we know how many of these ‘private’ rents are actually paid for by the taxpayer?

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      • 92
        Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

        Seems to me that housing benefits keep rents artificially high.
        If people couldnt afford housing the demand would drop and the prices come down. All the time HB props up these rents, increasing demand for these high rents there will be no change. We need radical thinking here!!

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        The truth is out there somewhere ...you just have to ask says:

        Good point….the other week I went in to my local council’s “One Stop Shop”(I know don’t ask !!)previously known as the “Council Offices” to renew my free bus pass(after 40 years working;never claiming benefits then or now though I rarely use it I’m buggered if I’m going to not claim it as the letter to renew I received from the council implied i.e. if you don’t call in to update your photo we’ll assume you no longer require it and will cancel it)Whilst waiting for my “Number” to be called I sat in reception opposite a 42 inch plasma TV which was on endless loop telling me how much I could claim(well I couldn’t actually as I’m deemed to be too rich(?))………. in housing benefit and other sundry benefits and council freebies and I should ask an “advisor” who would be only too willing to help.. says it all really…..

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    • 132
      When I was a boy the poor were skinny says:

      Population rises = Housing shortages.

      Immigration and Immigrant birth rates. Say no more.

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  2. 2

    Reality altering and mind altering are two ways to bring about change. To any politician, perception is reality.

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  3. 3
    dog says:

    Let’s have a whip round for George so he can get into class A

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    So the emails have surfaced between Peter Rippon and other staff. Rippon has stepped down from his job and will be on holiday for a few weeks, out of quote’s way. Helen Boaden knew what was going on. George Emtwistle wrote to all BBC staff in November last year about it. Lord Grade said There were question marks, certainly. Greg Dyke former DG said on the Marr Show The statements about this were not strong enough So everyone at the BBC knew something was up even if proving it was another matter.

    Yet Mark Thomson can have the gall to claim During my time as director general of the BBC, I never heard any allegations or received any complaints about Jimmy Savile. Are these the ultimate in weasel words, just another part of the cover up or both?

    http://bit.ly/ViRKpF

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    • 12
      Captn P says:

      This is the real story. The same vigour that was used to pursue Murdoch must now be focused on the BBC.

      1. Are any of the senior managers fit persons?
      2. What compensation will be paid to victims of Saville?
      3. When will criminal charge be forth coming from the CPS?
      4. How can the BBC be restructured to be more accountable to the public and how can the public subsidy and license fee be eliminated?

      And finaly where is Tom Watson MP number 1 hypocrite?

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        UKIP.i.am says:

        The big laugh here is that the BBC have rolled out lots of people in their defence saying all this was ancient history and yet they never miss an opportunity to drag up Britain’s involvement in 300 year old slavery.

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          Taxfodder says:

          Or the war and the british empire….

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          • Quiet Bat Person says:

            If I recall, Britian’s involvement in slavery included:

            1 ) Buying people already enslaved by Africans
            2 ) Sometimes being enslaved themselves in African raids on the Engilsh coast
            3 ) Abolishing slavery.

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          • Spode says:

            You are seriously off-message, QBP, with these dangerously truthful statements, and will be rounded up for re-education as soon as the plod can work out how their satnav thingy plugs in.

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        Tom Fatson says:

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      you gotta larf says:

      has Thompson left for america yet – can’t we have him departed – then barbequed on the front lawn of the bbc?

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      P. Doff says:

      Lord John Birt will probably lead the “independent” inquiry… just to be on the safe side!

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      taC eht abbaJ says:

      By the time this Saville affair concludes the BBC will be shown wholly unfit for purpose, such as to give Murdoch a whiter than white glow by comparison…

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      • 140

        Rupert must be pissing himself.

        The strange thing is how these lefty schemes last for so long. The communist regime in Europe endured for 45 years. The BBC has actually festered for longer.

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  5. 8
    Anonymous says:

    also seems the government is trying to silence the EDL, their 2 main guys have been arrested for “entering the USA illegally”, when they went to the 9/11 SION conference.

    Police arrested 30+ members on pre-crime, that they were planning to do something, they had done nothing at the time.

    bob

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  6. 9
    Captn P says:

    This story as well as the Andrew Mitchell story are complete non-stories.

    1. Sitting in first class with a second class ticket is not illegal, nor is it “fare dodging”.

    2. Its pretty common practice for people to do this. I was a first season ticket holder for a number of years, so I speak from experience.

    3. When asked for your ticket you are given two options, shift to second or pay the upgrade fare – its up to you. There are no penalties, police or anything else at this point. You pay you stay, you don’t you leave.

    This whole story is complete and utter bollocks.

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    • 10

      Wasted opportunity with all those other stories around. They must spend days on making this stuff so cannot respond to changing events quickly enough.

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      UKIP.i.am says:

      It is indeed complete bollocks but any story involving class is one that media turds will big up. Why bother about a 40 year culture of child abuse at the BBC when we have fabricated stories like Osborne or someone swearing at a policeman, who are of course angels (my arse!)? If everyone who swore at a policeman was put in jail then there would be more people in jail than outside.

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    • 15
      you gotta larf says:

      quite – wanker

      the public are not allowed to know anything about these treacherous cretins are they?
      they are our betters and can do what the fuck they like with our money!!!
      jeez you are one fucking ass!!!!
      no wonder the country’s in the shit with you’re appeasing views everywhere
      fuck off

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      • 19
        Captn P says:

        Speak for yourself.

        You are perfectly entitled not to like him or me for that matter, not arguing for that.

        Just pointing out that what the crime he supposedly committed wasn’t actaully anything at all.

        Maybe you need to get a life loser?

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        • 146
          you gotta larf says:

          I got me a life loser, I iz folding all the towels that George osborne couldn’t mamage before he became famous

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    • 24
      genghiz the kahn says:

      Perhaps Osborne might ask the D of T why they thought Pendelinos and Voyagers were suitable for passenger use.

      Osborne’s mistake was to not laugh it off. As for the journalist was she really there, and she is a friend of the Labour Party?

      First Class Cover Ups – then look here.

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      on the beach,sunglasses in the car says:

      Thanks for your advice.

      I have always travelled second class .

      In future i will continue to buy second class tickets and will sit in first class seats until someone asks me to move .

      I urge other people to do the same

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      • 27
        Captn P says:

        You will not be alone.

        Have a go next time you travel on the train. You will be asked to pay the upgrade fare or move to second class.

        The fact that you have a ticket when boarding the train will mean you are not a fare dodger.

        Or you just stupid?

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        • 52
          Doors to manual says:

          Oh I see it works a bit like MPs expenses then, you know make as many fraudulent claims as you like and if caught out simply offer to pay some of it back, no Police, no prosecutions.

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      • 29
        Gladys says:

        Well I am a second class season ticket holder on the good old Guildford line .

        For over 50 per cent of my joureys to work I am left to stand .

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    • 28
      Taxfodder says:

      +1

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    • 65
      Alf Garnett & Loadsamoney says:

      Fuck the toffs. We used to vote Tory.

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    • 73
      B Boyd says:

      ‘This whole story is complete and utter bollocks.’ So trivial, we at the Beeb could only make it last five weeks.

      Sir Jimmy who?

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    • 96
      Twitter says:

      I was on another train in a different part of the country a few days later but I’m almost certain I overhead someone say that they had heard that George Osborne had ordered everyone else off the train and was sat with a large bucket drowning kittens.

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  7. 11
    you gotta larf says:

    Osbourne is a cretin
    Much like Alex ferguson – he’s embarrassed!!! he’s spent years embarrassing the british public with his mad outburst, occasional abuse. bribery of referees, fearmongering, fuck off feruson you high order twat

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  8. 18
    Anonymous says:

    Is it Timothy Dalton?

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  9. 21
    genghiz the kahn says:

    The train line.

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  10. 30
    Fog on the Tyne says:

    There has never been a more opportune time to cut the BBC down to size. If Cameron had any bollocks or even political nous he would seize the main chance. Why should the general population be forced to finance overpaid luvvies,Labour propagandists and P doe facilitators?

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  11. 33
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Ed Millionaireband, Tom Watson and Chris Bryant are up in arms over the BBC / Savile issue. All three are asking if the BBC is a fit and proper organisation.
    It’s wonderful to see that none of the three are hypocritical in any way.
    Then I woke up.

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  12. 34
    George Gideon Oliver Osborne(Defecit Deceiver) says:

    What’s that sound? It’s Guido Fawkes clutching at straws as GDP figures will reveal no growth whatsoever in 2012 or since Coalition formed

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  13. 41
    Supertwat says:

    By day, I’m mild mannered MP Chuka Umunna. But wherever there is opportunism, I’ll be there, whenever there is danger… of missing a bandwagon, I’ll be there. I slip quietly into a phone booth and change from my 1000 pound bespoke suit and into my heroic costume of jeans, pullover and jacket, and I become Supertwat!

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  14. 42
    Doors to manual says:

    Just seen actress Helena Bonham Carter being interviewed on SKY News, WTF is she talking about ?

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  15. 43
    Phil Harmonic says:

    Can’t wait to hear Diane Abbot choosing her favourite classics every morning at 10.30 on radio 3 this week. Perhaps there will be the odd listener who didn’t catch her name and doesn’t recognise her voice imagining they are listening to some gorgeous, pouting ebony beauty

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  16. 46
    Yossarian says:

    I love this blog, any story that criticises the Conservative party is instantly met with “remember what the Labour Party did” some criticism of the BBC or some other bonkers response.
    George Osbourne is not a none story as it is he who was behind the “we are all in it together” mantra when he then proves that he isn’t. More over, he demonstrates that he is prepared to cheat and defraud a company out of revenue and waits for the company to catch him out – yet was quick to condemn Jimmy Carr, there are clearly parallels – yet what Jimmy Carr was doing was legal.
    The BBC indeed has questions to answer, here is the thing- unchecked Murdoch would be phone tapping the Jimmy Saville victims.
    To the political genius who posted a video of Ed Milliband travelling first class – is there a point to this? He is travelling on a first class ticket! Not like George.

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    • 50
      Except says:

      Agree with everything you said except one: Miliband always bangs on about being a man of the people and condemning those who are rich and privileged, and there he was travelling first class at taxpayers expense.

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        Am I Sitting? says:

        To be honest first class just means there is less chance that the toilet will have a floater in it, and the seat might just not have drink stains on it. Not really ‘first class’ just the usual private/public shit service for top wack we lead the world in.

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      • 86
        Anonymous says:

        Well that is a fair point and in essence I don’t begrudge Osbourne travelling first class, why wouldn’t you if you could. he simply should have paid for it up front – then it would be a none story.
        Andrew Mitchell equally is not a none story – if as an officer one of his men had spoken to him like that his feet wouldn’t have touched the ground. This is a about common courtesy, any one who attempts to defend his actions either condones exceptionally rude behaviour or is simply being contrary.

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      • 142
        smoggie says:

        Of course Osborne pays his own train fares out of his own pocket while on government business. That’s why he tried to blag it. Impossible that that some minion just bought him the wrong ticket.

        Huge story, deserves to be at the front of every blog and news site.

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    • 56
      OnBenefits says:

      Don’t forget Osborne’s tax-dodging trusts…

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    • 101
      Who cares anymore, 2years to vote says:

      It’s hit a run, blame one gang then the other, they’re all at it whatever colour of the rosette, we the plebs are having to pay for these shi-holes indulgent practices with our high taxes, I don’t care if you vote left or right or indifferent, it’s not the problem, we are been taken for a ride legally because they are the ones who make the laws for us to abide by while they have a book that says it’s within the rules, it’s not a plebs equality we need but equality with the crap who lied and cheated their way into parliament, who laughingly say the are working for us.

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    • 107
      perplexed says:

      You expect anything other than ‘bonkers’ from Greedo’s vermin?

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  17. 48
    Gideon Oscock says:

    We’re all in First Class together.

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  18. 53
    policeandtories we are one says:

    Smash the workers.

    All money to the rich.

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  19. 54
    Nasty old fucker meets Jimmy Savile says:

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  20. 57
    Widescreen2010 says:

    Is it Jeremy Paxman?

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  21. 58
    Andrew Mitchell says:

    “Guido, you’ve only got one eye. You should not be operating a motor vehicle,” said the cop.

    “It’s alright, officer,” Guido replied, “I’m so pissed, I’ve got double vision.”

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    • 63
      breaking wind says:

      the bbc has offered andrew mitchell the lead in its forthcoming sitcom ‘one foot in the mouth’

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  22. 59
    No heartache says:

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    • 71
      Dick Scratcher says:

      Who would have thought Terry Nutkins would have gone to that great drey in the sky before Mrs T?

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    • 87
      Dave Cameruselesswettoff says:

      Isn’t Mike Read standing as a UKIP candidate in the Euros next year?

      Didn’t he used to lose his deposit in some other strange places a few years ago?

      Nigel Dumpster was right.

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  23. 60
    sir boffton toffton mp says:

    does the prime minister agree that for the average mp the price of a virgin first class from inverness is excessive – and that this should be reflected in the review of our allowable expenses?

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  24. 61
    Frying Tonight says:

    Leeds Council have just announced that they will be burning an effigy of Jimmy Savile on the annual 5/11 city bonfire on Soldiers Field, Roundhay Park – just outside his former home.

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    • 89
      P*kistan says:

      Hey! Only we haves the right to do the burns of the effygees! Allahu shatbar!

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    • 105
      Tay King-dePisse says:

      I see no reason he should be forgot.
      (And, to be honest, in later years he started looking like a “Guy” anyway.)

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  25. 69
    Port out, Château d'Yquem home says:

    Move George if you wish from First, to second, even put him in stowage. It matters not.
    You can take the man out of the class but you cannot take the class out of this man Osborne.
    That he was born into money is immaterial, something the average pleb will have difficulty understanding, but then envy is a resentful emotion.
    Nouveau riche like Pressclot or Kinnokio may now flout their recently attained silver spoons but trash remains trash despite their attempts to achieve any upgrade in their social standing.

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    • 76
      Pawn Sandwich says:

      Well said. He is a decent bloke as well.

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      • 81
        sir boffton toffton mp says:

        indeed – the farmers’ and landowners’ friend

        keep those subsidies coming in george!

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    • 108
      Slotgob says:

      My Tone has played the upgrade game very successfully. He has even got to Highest Hypocrite level with the Benny Blessing. But we’re having a bit of bother while practising to get his arse through the needle eye. Craplin is helping though with Duckhams 20/50 and a forceful massage.

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  26. 75
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD and CODFATHER of SOLE says:

    Can’t make my mind up on this one !
    It’s either Richard Nixon or Tom Hanks

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  27. 80
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD and CODFATHER of SOLE says:

    First Class Cock !

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  28. 82
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD and CODFATHER of SOLE says:

    George Entwistle will be toast by the end of the week !

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    • 104
      Otis B Berger the Third from Maine says:

      Do you think he will resign this Friday evening ?

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    • 106
      Tomorrow's Chip Wrapper says:

      You think ?

      If it had been the print media or Sky involved in an alleged cover-up then there would undobtedly be an enquiry with sundry Labour MPs queing up to give the public the benefit of their hypocritical cant ……..

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  29. 83
    Andrew Mitchell says:

    I just read that a woman was crushed by an elephant at Sydney zoo.
    We had a similar incident over here at London zoo when Guido Fawkes tried to get through the turnstile.

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  30. 84
    Steve Miliband says:

    Man gets on train and pays for upgrade.

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    • 99
      atari says:

      Ed Milibandit hoping for an upgrade to his PMQ appearances too, but the Unions are withholding the software.

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  31. 93
    Screwed taxpayer says:

    Anyone got the full Bercow list of M.P.s names who are on the their own rent/swap/housing benefit/golden egg scheme yet?
    Is it the same as Sally’s little red book of clients?

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  32. 94

    The BBC’s Apologist in Chief is at it again:

    (Now) issues of inequality and vulnerability can clearly be seen as having as much importance as class

    Some sections of the media have used the scandal as a stick with which to beat the BBC as part of much bigger battles they are waging.

    Anything to divert the attention, it would seem. Lessons will have to be learned just will not do.

    There are people still alive who have criminal culpability here. They must be brought to book. And there has been corporate criminality present too. By the BBC. It must be brought to book too.

    http://bit.ly/QBhsG3

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      Socialism is a severe mental illness says:

      “As a young student researching homelessness, I slept unannounced in hostels, nightshelters and government institutions for homeless people, with never a problem. Everywhere I was treated with friendliness and kindness by service users”

      ‘Service users’? Oh yeah.. ‘tramps’.

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      • 135
        Fog says:

        That’s Peter Beresford writing in ‘The Guardian’. He went on to say: “One night after a party at a homelessness charity I slept over and was woken in the middle of the night to find a worker’s hand on my crotch.” But didn’t state whether he reported the incident

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      • 137

        Yes! There is so much that was wrong with it that I was hard-pressed for which parts to quote.

        There cannot be any doubt that the Graun is attempting to dilute the impact, though.

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  33. 98
    Anonymous says:

    They allow George Osborne in first class?

    What is the country coming to?

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    • 115
      Isambard says:

      I would have insisted that Irish navvies like him travel in the open Cattle Truck Class, along with all other politicians so that the wind can blow the stench of their corruption away.

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  34. 102
    Stroppycow says:

    Well I think George’s idea is not to be sniffed at……..

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  35. 110
    Stroppycow says:

    Let’s draw a line under it now boys…….

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  36. 111
    Stroppycow says:

    Or draw a line in it?

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  37. 118
    Doppelgänger says:

    They used the wrong template, that’s Dick Nixon!

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  38. 120
    Well it's a thought says:

    Distractions, distractions, it’s what the searchlight is not showing is the problem, throwing sh*t at the left or right is so out of date, it’s just to distract the plebs who are not watching tv.

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  39. 123
    giles says:

    May I congratulate Rich and Mark for their cartoon .
    The treasury briefcase is well drawn.

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  40. 133
    Rashomon Gove says:

    You poor unfortunates who have not had the advantages of studying PPE at Oxford fail to realise that reality is a multi-layered and multi-perspective phenomenon. So that whilst many people see the present government as a bunch of pampered incompetent fuckwits who couldn’t run a chip shop, a deeper insight shows a cabinet at the top of its game and a PM of undisputed authority and judgement.

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    • 138
      catsup kitty says:

      I presume your talking about a goverment that’s running a country called La La Land somewhere in your dreams.

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  41. 134
    Habitat says:

    Is it not amazing what a bit of old naff wallpaper has managed to fund, St. Paul’s, Oxford, First Class travel (sometimes paid for)

    His dad must have worked on the old Harry Enfield “we saw you coming” technique, one thing about the so called British upper classes, they are easy to convince that they simply must have the lastest in Indian restaurant wallpaper!

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  42. 136
    Well it's a thought says:

    Tough but intelligent approach to criminal justice, so SKY is telling us that Camoron is saying , how about cleaning up your own houses, the house of criminals would do for a start, followed by EU, until then like your green rubbish it’s just hot air, don’t forget 2015, you lose we lose.

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