February 16th, 2012

Clegg’s Reforms are a Mess

Nick Clegg’s reform packages are not going very well. Obviously AV is still a sore subject in yellow circles and the prospect of two year battle over House of Lords reform is even being discouraged by Guardian columnists. The Recall bill seems to be an irrelevance too. Zac Goldsmith is slamming it this morning:

Here’s the process; once the narrow Committee has qualified an MP for Recall, the petition begins, and requires only 10% of voters to sign it. Given that the MP will effectively have been deemed guilty by Parliament, that threshold will pose little challenge. The MP then faces an immediate by-election where they must fight in the context of national issues and where they are dependent on their Party’s fortunes. Unlike in true Recall, where MPs face a simple referendum on their job, under the Government’s plans, they have no chance to persuade voters that the Recall is unwarranted. This gives real power to the authorities to throw inconvenient MPs to the wolves for spurious reasons.

It says something when even Tory MPs are accusing you of not being radical enough. Guido can’t think why Nick Clegg, in his student-filled constituency, would possibly want to water anything down…


  1. 1
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Democracy at its best.

  2. 2
    misterned says:

    So basically the recall is being designed so that the Parliamentary elite can get rid of inconvenient MPs instead of so that constituents can get rid of bad MPs.

    This is even worse than no recall at all. I can see the day coming when MPs are recalled for having the temerity to represent the views of the constituents who voted them into office.

  3. 3
    Len Lottery says:

    An “irreverence”? Perhaps you mean an “irrelevance”? Please employ a sub, Guido. This is also good advice for the MailOnline catalogue of howlers.

  4. 4
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Students. Need to water down their vodka.

    Otherwise they are useless for the entire next day. or two.

  5. 5
    lembit opik says:

    It should have been me. I would have made a great deputy to Cameron…..

  6. 6
    Fabians are Evil says:

    Turkeys do not vote for Christmas

  7. 7
    Golly says:

    This all sounds a bit dodgy to me.

    I think the last system was much much better. Scrap this nonsense about five year fixed terms cut constituencies from 650 to 500 with boundary commissioners to be elected from a random selection from the electoral roll.

    Salaries to be performance related to the unemployment figure. Subsidized food in the canteen to be stopped. All Mps to have a fixed annual expense allowance plus an Ipad.

  8. 8
    Gonk says:

    And a revolver

  9. 9
    David Wisteria says:

    Is Clegg starting to go bald too?

  10. 10
    Glyn H says:

    Cleggs reforms a mess?
    What about the Arch-Bishop of dumbing down, a Mr Ebdon, Vice chancellor of Beds Poly, Luton Branch being given the job of making up for 40 years of Spartism in state education instead of giving the poor wretches a crack at a decent education.
    Pure Shite! Cameron and Gove should hang their heads in shame if this travesty goes through!

  11. 11
    Bluebottle says:

    I would like to vote for this turkey at Easter.

    Is this possible?

  12. 12
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    The Olympic ticket Fiasco continues they refuse to tell anyone where the tickets were allocated despite repeated requests from sky news and other media
    this is LOCOG a private company that has had 2 billion of our money and no one can find out who the tickets were given to even after a freedom of information request !

    somebody has pocketed a fortune from this farce , I wonder who ?

  13. 13
    inside- out says:

    Why stop at 500,as most of our laws come from Brussels we probable need 200 MPs.Also make their pensions money purchase schemes. Then they might understand what QE does too pension funds.

  14. 14
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Why doesn’t Call me Dave stay the fuck away from sweaty sock land ?
    It’s a nation of fried mars bar munching Labour scum so anything Posh boy says ,they will do the exact opposite

  15. 15
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “fixed expense allowance” would just be a higher salary?

  16. 16
    Revd. Phoney £rd Way B£iar, sanctimonious git and £iar, emoting and wiv stupid grin says:


    I’m very very wealthy you kno, – and I owe it all to NooLieBore – and to Cherry, – who is very thrifty wiv the housekeeping!

    But I called by mainly to say that the problem nowadays is that politicians are NOT SINCERE – LIKE WHAT I WAS

    Anyway, – must move on, another Union Leader wants to join my bank – providing he’s wealthy enough!

    And you know, I’m VERY wealthy, – and yes I can do anything!

  17. 17
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    He is scottish you know – by the odd rules of celtic nations having a dad born there makes you really exceptionally scottish.

  18. 18
    Neddy - dressed as a turkey says:

    what what what what what what !

    I heard that

  19. 19
    Bloodnok says:

    and a glass of whiskey my man surely?

  20. 20
    only saying says:

    Get rid of the Scottish MP’s sitting in Westminster.
    They have their own parliament.

  21. 21
    Fresh and Minty says:

    No, – it’s called a brazillian.

  22. 22
    Anonymous says:

    Independence for England.
    And let’s have back the billions we paid to bail out bankrupt Scottish banks.

  23. 23
    Hang em High, - VERY high, (own piano wire supplied) says:

    No, not just their heads, – that can come later. For now though, just hang the f*ckers, – VERY HIGH!

  24. 24
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    No amount of money can make people like you.

  25. 25
    Well it's a thought says:

    Mr assistant spare PM seems to have a lot of power for the money he’s paid to keep Camoron in power, I’m still trying to figure out who won the last general election, the Uconned us or the Libshites, every time I look at the news it seems one Libshite or another pops up and tells us what new piece crap legislation they are shoving through the system

  26. 26
    Anonymous says:

    Throughout his campaign Zac Goldsmith promised faithfully, on numerous occasions, that he would only serve one term and that he had no intention whatsoever of ever standing again. His views are irrelevant.

  27. 27
    Cynical-old-bag says:

    Expenses should only relate to the job in question – ie. travel food and accommodation for the duration of the trip. Anything else should be refused. Let them pay out of their own pockets for furniture, TV’s, cleaners, bath plugs and anything else which isn’t covered by travel and accommodation. We’d save millions.

  28. 28
    ToonBob... says:

    Anyone know the gossip on the Caroline Spelman injunction?

  29. 29
    Popeye says:

    Nothing this loser does, surprises me! He’ only there by a fluke and the patronage on Cameron. Sack him now.

  30. 30
    Popeye says:

    No, irreverence fits very well, think on it.

  31. 31
    Nogbad the Bad says:

    He wants rid of the Celts, he just can’t say so because if did the contrary (chippy) nature of the jocks and the boyos would lead them to vote to stay in the Union. Without the Welsh and Scottish MP’s, Labour would never get back in to Westminster. Thats why “Ed” Milliband is so against the breakup.

  32. 32


    But what else would we expect of them?

  33. 33
    Anonymous says:

    Everyone will know soon- thanks to the superinjunction.
    If they’d just ignored it, no-one would be interested.

  34. 34
    Rob Roy says:

    I second that!

  35. 35
    misterned says:

    The results of every general election suggests that they do. The UK electorate consistently votes for parties that are dedicated to hurting the UK and bending over backwards to serve a profoundly anti-democratic foreign entity.

    Whilst the only parties dedicated to serving the people of the UK are left floundering as “minority” parties.

    The turkeys DO vote for Christmas every fucking election!

  36. 36

    Ha ha.

    Ambiguity detected!

  37. 37
    Loungelizard says:

    I think and hope the heavy lifting is done in private. Trying to keep the loony Libs in line would be a full time job.

  38. 38
    nellnewman says:

    What a shambles the LibDems have been in government. How disappointing.

    This was their moment in the sun to prove they could be something more than a lobbying group. Instead they’ve proved they are very much less.

    Useless almost comical if they weren’t so tragic.

  39. 39
    Well it's a thought says:

    Just like to say to Alex Salmond , give us a referendum and we will help you say goodbye to us English forever, but stop looking like the snake oil salesman you are, otherwise your Sottish referendum will fail..

  40. 40
    Bluebottle says:

    Can I play with your wuggerby ball please

    i want to play a game of wugger for England .

    I want to play on the wing.

    I will be a wonderul wuggerby wugger wingman for Wingland.

    Please dont tell my mum.

    I am a mowrii from the Jungly Book.


  41. 41
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    Huhne and Price in court this morning !

    Bout feckin time !

  42. 42
  43. 43
    I don't need no doctor says:

    In the photo of Clegg is he removing his syrup?

  44. 44
    nellnewman says:

    Fail? God forbid. Time the Scots went off on their own and the Barnett Formula was binned.

  45. 45
    nellnewman says:

    Looking for his brain.

  46. 46
    I don't need no doctor says:

    There is something very dodgy about Salmond. He reminds me of a double glazing salesman.

  47. 47
    Well it's a thought says:

    I agree Nell , we English must help the Scots get away from the English yolk and send them on the wild seas of freedom, besides they go we get rid of Liebour a few more pushes we will get rid of the Libshites, even more of a push we can get rid of the lefty political party of Camorons.

  48. 48
    Desperate Dan says:

    Meanwhile Denis McShane is on Russia TV as usual.

  49. 49
    I am not Caroline Spelman's son says:

    When I was 17 and on my school rugby team, I did NOT go out with, nor sleep with a 15 year old girl, and my mother did NOT try and cover up the fact that I clearly DID NOT. Honest guv!

  50. 50
    Lords Girbals, Prezza, Mandelson, Uddin and assorted throughers and/or shaggers, twisters and frauds says:

    Thank goodnness for that

    We will be able to continue to trough our way for years now

    Thank God those Lib Dems are so incompetent

  51. 51
    Rob Roy says:

    Tinkerbell says

    1 . Scotland will have less influence in the world.

    Good . Scotland has always been a small insular country with no claims to any territory other than its own.

    2. Scotland will lose the protection of the UK armed forces.

    Good because we will not be contributing to an antiquated imperial war machine .

    We are capable of making our own defence arrangements either within the Eu or further afield. We could negotiate for our own safety security pacts with other countries such as USA Russia or Iran to name but three.

    3. Scotland will lose the pound.

    Last week the Daily Telegraph claimed that the Bank of Scotland was still a strong brand and should be sold off by the RBS.

    Let the serious debating begin boys and girls.

  52. 52
    Lords Girbals, Prezza, Mandelson, Uddin and assorted throughers and/or shaggers, twisters and frauds says:


  53. 53
    Dr Freud said all women suffered from penis envy says:

    If you did not

    Why not ?

    When roses are ready for picking

    When girls are sixteen and so on…

  54. 54
    Mr Justice Horse of the High Court of Justice says:

    You make allegations of illegal behaviour in my Court .

    I am referring the matter to the police

    I want the Tip Staff present throughout this hearing

  55. 55
    Rob Roy says:

    Just use your majority to vote us out of the Union now please.

    We do not want to hold you English back any longer.

  56. 56
    Drop a Daisy cutter on Downing Street says:

    Gerbils, surely?

  57. 57
    rick says:

    Sad, but true.

  58. 58
    Mine d'Boggles says:

    What happens if, like me, one has a Scots grandfather and an Irish grandfather? Split personality? Dual nationality? Two pensions?

  59. 59
    Ah ha! Gotcha says:

    You are Patrick Stewart and I claim my fried chocolate bar.

  60. 60
    Ah ha! Gotcha says:

    Got egg on your face there pal. The word is yoke (like what goes round the neck of a ploughing buffalo or a millstone round England’s).

  61. 61
    Chopper off-er says:

    Tip staff? What has circumcision got to do with this?

  62. 62
    David laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Just get rid of the EU fanatical turd. Look at David Laws, never referred to the police for false accounting. Clegg was going to clean up politics, why did he not have the courage to refer Laws to the police??

  63. 63
    Jabber jabber says:

    He’s Scotch so the word is garbles or gabbles – just like the BBC news readers/reporters.

  64. 64
    Four Eyed English Genius says:

    Only disappointing if you had any expectations of them in the first place. I think the word(s) should be “How fully expected”!

  65. 65
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Why are we surprised by this ? Clegg is clueless and one braincell short of a fuckwit. he hasn’t got the intelligence to put together this simple task.

  66. 66
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    What does that make me then? He is far more educated and intelligent than me. The only thing Nick and I have in common is lots of students and immigrants in our constituencies. I hope to god this recall of MP’s idea never becomes law. Boaz.

  67. 67
    Well it's a thought says:

    Oh FFS grow up.

  68. 68
    Anonymous says:

    too tru

    it’s in their customer service pack that claims, vigorously, that the customer is always right except them.

  69. 69
    Anonymous says:

    what’s a ‘sub’


  70. 70
    cold outside says:

    …. and they should all go to work naked!!!

  71. 71
    Tony Bliar says:


  72. 72
    Seb Coe says:


  73. 73
    Bernie the Bolt says:

    and have you seen his ‘team’ in the cabinet office – full of wankers everyone of them – even my mp is there, although never scene in parliament and never seen in his constituency I’m beginning to wonder exactly what the fuck he does

  74. 74
    Chuckus Yamoney says:

    Thoughtful, considered, grown up law making instead of third place tutting, posturing and finger wagging is proving more difficult than the Yellow Rosettes have ever thought.

    The scrutiny of being in office has already claimed the scalps of Laws and Huhne. Only Danny Alexander appears to be doing an outstanding job, while Vince Cable is proving a pain to work with, Michael Moore keeps losing staff and has been runover by Scottish Independence while Davey is invisible.

    Clegg is left struggling with the reality that even after the current cuts the UK is spending £450 million more than it earns EVERY DAY.

    I get the feeling Cameron, Clegg, Osborne and Alexander are less focused on any reforms as they are more worried about insulating the UK from the imminent collapse of the Eurozone Government Bond market.

  75. 75
    John says:

    If anyone wanted an example of how our party political system is utterly failing to connect with the electorate, or to create even a straightforward set of rules this is it.

    Just about the only things you can guarantee with out parliamentary clowns these days is that they will put thier own interests first and fuck it up for everyone else in the process.

    Sometimes I wish we really did have a 21st century Guido Fawkes…

  76. 76
    Fabians are Evil says:

    OK let us try this one “there are none so blind as those who will not see”

    (particularly if they are a mad one eyed scottish socialist)

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