As Polls Plummet New Labour Control Freakery Returning
Michael Dugher was until recently Ed Miliband’s PPS, he wants to be “Ed’s Mandelson“ and is clearly keen on enforcing “the line”. However implausible it may be.
RT @MichaelDugherMP If u profess to be Labour commentator but then what u write circulated by CCHQ, do u think yr comments helped Labour?—
Peter Hain (@PeterHain) December 15, 2011
Yesterday’s Post-PMQs collective head-in-hands moment by the left-wing commentariat really has upset the dwindling Miliband true-believers. LabourList editor Mark Ferguson, who yesterday implicitly called for Ayesha Hazariki to be sacked (PMQs Verdict: Cut the Gags, Ed), is only reflecting what the Labour grassroots are saying in private. According to YouGov only 8% of Labour voters think Ed Miliband is a natural leader. Enforcing New Labour style discipline on propaganda isn’t going to change that fact.
so its Tough Ed now?
I can get vewy vewy angwee so jutht watch it mister.
Ha ha ha. IRAQ is a complete success. Ha ha ha. Fu–ing idiots. and by the way Wholesale natrual Gas prices are going up, ha ha ha Fu–ing BBC lying again, Its great the corruption of the Press. Any one want the truth following the trading index of Natural Gas and just see how much these scum bags are taking the P-SS.
Labour going cap in hand to the older brother. Yes, we made a big mistake but it was those terrible trade uinions that made us do it. Please, please let us forgive and forget as we desperately need a lift in the polls and a new leader for the New Year.
I thought that crowning a new leader Liebour have hundreds of obsticles to get over including getting permission from the sitting leader.
Leave ed Milliband alone he’s doing a great job , he’s where his country needs him
Leadership can not be taught, You either have it or you do not have it, there is no middle ground. Red is one of the have nots.
What I don’t understand is why they went to all the trouble of having a complicated vote to decide Ed or David. Surely the most sensible thing would have been to ask their mum.
They did ask her and she voted for that big fat black woman with a sort of sense of humour.
According to her on BBC 4 anyway.
Who do you believe? Politicians or used car salesment?
Ha Ha Ha!
Do you mean like this Guido (enforcing the line)
NO! You must believe the “Bullion and Beans” BS meme where Fawkes, Zero Hedge, Max Keiser, Tom Coblestein et al, shill for gold purchase on the back of the print to eternity narrative.
The truth is even if the Fed, the BoE and the ECB print x-trillions every month the global financial system is entirely broken and any move higher in petrol, food and heating costs now immediately brings demand collapse, as evidenced by falling retail sales, even with rigged figures, where real retail demand is down probably 5% year on year for the last four years in constant price terms.
Sales of new cars to real private customers, not the 40% min, discount to large companies and rental firms, in the UK are down around 40% compared to the peak years in the early to mid 2000s. Petrol/diesel sales are down a minimum of 15% compared to 2007. Sales of houses are down a minimum of 50% compared to 2006-7. Consumption of electricity is down around 5% on last year alone. And so it goes on.
You cannot print trillions and trillions, hoist food, fuel and energy costs by up to 50% p.a. year after year, leave nominal wages flat for the 99%+ of the population and expect to not see it all collapse into a demand depression, which is what UK had really had since late 2007.
The shills and shysters banging the durum for parabolic price rises in precious metals and even food staples are wrong and are now being exposed for the shills and shysters, and shearers of the dumb flock sheeple they always were.
I believe that you are entirely right. Sadly, the current political class are simply unable to do what is needed!
Hee hee hee….
Hmmm. I suspect Fawkes + ZH at least would agree with you that printing money is foolish and will lead to the outcome you highlight. Accordingly they have bought gold and thereafter have urged others to do so. Talking their book doesn’t make them a shill for Barrick Gold. It just means they’re long gold. And if you believe what you say above I would suggest that you should be too. Good luck in the coming sh1tstorm.
How does govt spending money on “5 a day” and diversity advisers prop up sales at Primark and M&S?
All those government lifestyle advisors must certainly help prop up sales in off-licences and supermarket booze aisles.
Typical backward thinking from labour, to them the state is the economy.
So a shop that usually takes £100,000 a week in sales could be £400 down. Hardly going to lead to redundancies is it?
Only in Mili-world is two-fifths of one percent a “massive” deviation.
Don’t be a SpAdstic mate, the ONS, whose figures these are, frig them for sheeple consumption. They take month on month, year on year sales turnover data and deduce sales volumes by deflating the price data by the ‘official’ CPI/RPI price inflation figure, currrently around 5% p.a.. Real retail price inflation, for things that people really need and consume, like basic foods, bread, milk, eggs, meat, basic veggies, electricity, gas, water rates, petrol/diesel, insurance- motor/house/etc., and so on, just the basics of a very basic existence, have been going up around 15-20% for the last four years, since the bankers started printing trillions for their pals in the bust banks.
So, for example, a 4% rise in sales turnover figures for food say, from Nov 2010 to Nov 2011, looks like an around 1% fall in food sales by volume, after deducting a 5% price rise, whereas in reality, not the BoE/ONS’s rigged world, food sales, by volume would be down around 4%-20% = 16% year on year.
Plus, this doesn’t take into account the now many examples of manufacturers reducing volume content and charging the same price or a lower than otherwise price increase, which the ONS people will either not notice or turn a blind eye to and record a like for like data point.
So please, don’t be a mental retard and swallow the insulting tripe produced by govt. “official”/banker shill sources.
Absolutely right.
Keep on with Brownsian economics in that if revenues fall then simply put up the price and on and on.
On the high street Poundland has a better idea as has Aldi and Lidl and the new concept trial product shop opened in London..
Polls for Labour “Down Down Deeper and Down”
The Labour front bench “Pictures of Matchstick Men”
What are the chances of Labour sticking with the Status Quo?
I think Francis Rossi has retired from music ?
Their spending levels – What Ever you want.
‘Down the Dustpipe’ ?
Guido, waiting for an item on Paxman last night beating up the Guardian’s ‘star reporter’ about hacking Milly Dowler’s phone – big Nick does not have evidence News of the World deleted voicemails.
PS Governments of Sweden and Czech republic now bailing out from last weekend’s EU deal – so Cameron is not alone on this one – take that Clegg!
PS2 note Clegg’s wife is from Spain, a country that soon after Italy will need someone else’s money.
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Austria, Ireland and Holland will join in soon. This so called minority will become the majority at this rate by Xmas.
It will be fun seeing what the Irish do and how the referendum goes, bet they have to keeping having one till the EU get the ‘right’ result. Poor old Millweed you’d have thought with his Red Under the Unmade Bed background he’d have gone with the old anti EU stance of the Tankies.
Still he’s doing a grand job out there for the Tories let’s hope the Politburo don’t retire him too soon
Finland thinks QMV for the bailout fund is against its constitution. Luxembourg won’t sign it. Hungary is hedging. The Irish referendum will be a “no” (but the second one might be yes). France won’t agree to a permanent regle d’or. The IMF will not get Eur 200bn. So far the US, China, Japan, UK have declined to stump up, many of the “Euro-26″ will also fail to do so for various reasons. Give it another 10 weeks and we’ll be enjoying a good laugh at what’s left of Merkozy’s treaty to save the Euro.
As soon as the BBC realise that the “Britain is isolated” line is wildly off the mark of course they’ll do their best to reflect the surprise turnaround in events. Not.
France is up to refinancing a few squillion splonders in an increasingly sceptical market come February. The French GE follows shortly after. No wonder Sarko threw a hissy fit when Dave refused to hand over the UK’s cash cow.
France’s only purpose last week was to provide a framework within which the ECB could buy all Italian debt out there because French banks have 450 billion euro exposure to the pasta country.
Sweden keep changing their mind – this morning they believed they would go along.
Norway is the only Nordic country that ignores the situation – because it can do so.
Do the people of Doncaster still believe that climate change is man-made?
I cant find that petition on Ed’s website any longer.
I’d think that they’d look forward to climate change – cold & wet whenever I went there.
It looks like Plod still believes in AGW
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2011/12/15/norfolk-vice.html
It’s tilting at windmills but worth a try!
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/22958
If they’ll vote for an Islington Communist with no connection to Doncaster whatsoever, but who says he knows what is best for them, then probably they’ll believe whatever they are told.
Our other MPs are Rosie Winterton (Wherever did she go? Did she disappear under a wardrobe or something?) and Caroline Flint, so make of that what you will.
Shhh G, we need Ed to stay, Camby is a bag of garbage but is our only way out of this mess, until a new Mes siah arrives and takes over as the real C on serv ative party
“He’s not the Messiah, he’s a very naughty boy!”
We’ve got what we’ve got, and we’ll have to get on with it. At least some inkling of public opinion filtered through to Downing Street in the aftermath of the Euro veto – “Let’s have more along those lines, please.”
Does Ed’s Mandelson Have to bend over backwards for his leader ?
I quite like the idea of reasonable freedom for back-benchers to express their opinions and ideas. I think that’s good for democracy. It means that if the government want to get a slightly unpopular measure into legislation, they have to do it by winning the debate, thus giving opportunity for all views to be properly aired.
If you impose the ‘party line’ too rigidly, the dissent you stifle builds up like the pressure in a boiler with a stuck safety-valve. Not very good for democracy – and not very good for the enforcers when the pressure does suddenly release. Are all those New Labour enforcers really such respected elder statesmen now?
Eng – I echo your sentiments – well said.
TBH governments of both parties have ignored their backbenchers, disparaging them as ‘backwoodsmen’ for decades.
The whipping system drives the compliant voters through the correct lobby, and despite regular predictions to the contrary, few BBs rebel, except on very infrequent occasions.
Debate today in the HoC is on IPSA….Democracy or self interest..?
If I were Ed M’s people I would press the nuclear button & blow Cameron out of the water.
If Ed M promised a guaranteed in or out referendum on a set date 3 months after the GE he could seriously damage Cameron.
Go on Ed, make a lasting mark in British politics. Give the Brithish people their democracy back – because Cameron sure as hell won’t.
I’ve got fairies at the bottom of my garden as well.
Nobody would take any notice and just laugh at the prospect of him promising a referendum after B rown taking the last Liebour promise to the courts to get squashed by a tame judge.
And what interest would Red Ed and the rest of the Labour apparatchiks have in democracy, then?
There’s a lot of cash to be milked off the taxpayers in the name of democracy.
Your suggestion pre supposes that most voters have the same attention span as you. Labour have already promised and reneged on their promise for a referendum in perhaps the most cowardly fashion ever filmed of Brown sneaking in and effectively committing treason by signing a treaty that none of us wanted or were even given a chance to vote on.
wUnfortunately again for the talking horse Mr Ed, he has just been saying that if he is PM for some time, he would take the UK into the euro and scrap the pound. He also says he wouldn’t have ‘isolated’ the UK (therefore that means he would have accepted Merkosy plan), then he would have signed (but everyone would have been happier about it), then…on and on…
Control and Labour are two words one would hardly see as compatible.
unlike incompetent and sad which seem to fit very well.
Ed’s “leadership” numbers were pathetic before this and are tanking fast.
Though I suppose the real suprise is that as many as 5% of the voters find him “charismaric”.
Give the “Brithish” people their democracy back
You sir are Ed Miliband and I claim my fiver!
Not a chance Danny, neither of them want to give you anything, it’s going to the harsh economics that will drive this forward and we’ll only get the referendum once it’s clear that the EU is a train wreck.
At that point both parties will fall over each other trying to give you a referendum. The Tories are your best hope to do the right thing Labour are EU Corporatist Socialists by nature.
funny how the Telegraph doesn’t mention this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/dec/15/cameron-400m-chaotic-families
yet this lousy government are doing exactly what newlabour did – throw money at a problem – not much because they’re poor people not bankers – and they need government help to get their lives in order, so to speak
control freakery has never gone away
I demand my right to become a theiving piss artist
Do you seriously think that any government can solve this problem?
The sad fact is that there will always be some at the lower end of the gene pool. There always has been, and there always will be. We used to manage the problem by slinging them in gaol for any minor misdemeanor, or allowing the locals to dispense ‘neighbourhood justice’. We now gaol the locals for being public-spirited, so the scumbags get a free ride.
Typical example – threats to arrest ‘big man’ for slinging a fare-dodger off a train in Scotland. There are now calls to arrest him for assault. Wrong answer – he should be commended for assisting the guard in discharging his duty.
If there anything government can do it is this – tell the police and judiciary to lay off people being public-spirited.
Arresting victims, or public-spirited people, is so inclusive though.
Besides which they are easier for plod to find.
If HMG want to reduce the influence of problem families, provide unskilled jobs and thin out the thicket of social security. If families had the opportunity to work & the knowledge that they’d starve if they didn’t then there’d probably be less ‘responsibility deficit’. The potential miscreants would also be off the streets during the day.
Keynesian yes, but possibly cheaper than ‘a national network of family caseworkers’.
Engineer 50 years ago tomorrow my family moved from a housing estate in west London to Essex.The estate which is a stones’ throw from the BBC is now considered the worst in the UK(or at least one of them). I was devastated leaving my school, my friends and my extended family.We were chronically overcrowded as were most people living there,but people just accepted it..Everybody worked, many people had two jobs,if the police were called it was considered shocking for the family concerned (we had shame in those days)The local schools were marvelous.Recently David Camercon singled out Burlington Danes as an ‘improved’ school.Improved???It was a bloody grammar school when I lived there and had fantastic exam results.Even my old secondary mod has been hailed as a miracle,rising from the ashes like a Phoenix. Well why did it have to rise? It was a fabulous school in 1960.Who alllowed it to sink into the mire that it had to be rescued????In fact I would say that my education was superior to that of my niece who went to a top public school. You only have to look at the estate’s website and read the comments by the ‘silver surfers’ who lived there from 1939 and be humbled.They had fond memories these working class people,their written English far superior to that of most young people now.Fascinating stories and memories and all grammatically correct.They were all grateful for their start on the White City. Now this same estate is a wasteland of lost opportunity,of crime, broken families and worse.I for one am furous that the place where I grew up and have such fond memories of is now a stinking hole,a cesspit of depravity.Yet so much money has been spent there. Of course when we were there the Labour Party hadn’t yet ruined the country. I went back to visit my old school in1970 and the change was palpable. I see the Tory leader of Hammersmith Council is giving up his post to go and head up a group to try to resolve the problems of the estate. Something has to be done. What the PM is trying to achieve is admirable.The Labour Party make excuses for people all the time,chucking money at problems is not the answer.They patronise people,they condone bad behaviour and make political capital out of the self-inflicted misery of others.
In the 60′s we always said that 5% of the population were unemployable.
Currently I would put it at more like 15% and growing.
Oh well, Tories went through it with IDS, now it’s Labour’s turn to feel the pain – except I can’t see Milliblob ending up as a Cabinet Minister eventually, can you?
Cabinet maker or just plain cabby.
Don’t knock cabinetmaking, it’s a high skill (something those pillocks with PPE degrees will never understand).
“According to YouGov only 8% of Labour voters think Ed Miliband is a natural leader.”
Who are these 8% and have they been recveiving their medication?
W.W.
Union leaders, union reps, some union members, the rest must be falsified.
I see, the old postal polling scam.
100 ballots sent to Mr khan of Bradford (Bradistan to our muslim friends) who kindly saves the rest of his extended family the effort of filling them in, by doing them all himself.
He is such a kind and thoughtful chap.
W.W.
They are mainly Pa ki s who got off the boat last Thursday.
I think Ed is a natural leader.
Nurse!!! Where’s my fizzy orange!!
http://www.justice.gov.uk/publications/statistics-and-data/foi/implementation.htm
FOI statistics
Labour in a civil war, plummeting poll ratings and a useless leader. The only thing missing is Neil Kinnock.
Kinnock – a millionaire.
He has contributed nothing.
He is a thief – that money you stole from the taxpayer should have gone on frontline services not rewarding you for your EU treason & failure.
Scum.
And he sacked Miss Andreas for exposing his EU cronies rampnant corruption & incompetence.
Hypocrisy and mendacity – it’s in Liebour’s D-N-A.
Kinnock, mandelson and the rest of them are happy to accept the Euro money. failed in this country so sent to brussels, i think ed looking for an appointment thier as well
Is that you Billy?
Doubt he’ll be having his way with Ed any time soon, doesn’t really have Mandlescum’s ‘sly greasy rapist’ look, does he?
Indie: “Steve Richards: The man who should speak remains silent ”
The irony being that with Richards it’s the other way round.
Will somebody please start a ” Save Ed ePetition”, if only to save us from Yvette.
Mandelson turned out to be as useful as a chocolate parasol in a desert.
‘Parasol’ is that an abbreviation of ‘parasitic arseole’ ?
Many parts of our History can easily be illustrated on a graph. Some graphs are still on the rise, but some have peaked and are on their way down, Pension age being an obvious one, another is the Labour Party, first MP in 1900, 23 years in Government, but are now on that downward slope.
We are enjoying the beginning of the end, and I will book a New Orleans jazz Band for the Funeral celebrations, some-time in 20’s? or earlier?
Many parts of our History can easily be illustrated on a graph. Some graphs are still on the rise, but some have pe@ked and are on their way down, Pension age being an obvious one, another is the Labour Party, first MP in 1900, 23 years in Government, but are now on that downward slope.
We are enjoying the beginning of the end, and I will book a New Orleans jazz Band for the Funeral celebrations, some-time in 20’s? or earlier?
Labour wont do anything tho, if they cwouldnt replace Gordon what m akes you think they have the balls to dispose of Ed?
Have you got your t shirt yet Billy, and are you wearing it?
Having Ed elected was worth it if only to see the non believers having to tow the party line, all that ill repressed bile. Stage Two will be like some of Stalin’s purges, can’t wait to sit and watch the Labour party shake itself apart and such nice people to.
toe.
How many more times do I have to correct this error?
You’re so right!
“tow” is a good word to use for some of the useless so-called policies Red Ed is towing behind him, complete with a series of sheet anchors.
Ed Miliband is a real plonker.
I love reading about his latest failures.
You must be on Volume 10 now.
PLEATHE FORGIVE ME FOR THTABBING YOU IN THE BACK !!! CAN’T WE BE FWEINDTH ?????? PWETTY PLEATHE ???
God she really is an old Hag.
W.W.
Please, you anti English, criminal, lying, friend of the benefit cheat, champion of the non English speaking immigrant, ally of the disability fraudster, please Keep the little Marxist in office
It will be interesting on what the BBC makes of this, given their ‘we want your views’ commitment, albeit these views being ‘shaped’ somewhat in the edit suite as much as their broadcast efforts. And mainly via who they follow (and don’t block) on twitter
One could ask here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2011/12/the_challenge_of_reporting.html#comments
Or,of course, the Newsnight Editors blog, which is currently a hoot, too.
But be prepared for any answer, if one is given at all, to be either ‘we have got it about right’ or ‘you are all Daily Mail readers’ before a Cleggy-fit flounce.
Thanks for the link. I think it is just an elaborate Private Eye hoax, and hats off to them, almost conned me.
Has anyone else noticed the design flaw that comes with modern toilet paper?
It doesn’t matter how much you spend on the stuff, or how many multiple sheets you use, your finger always goes through the paper.
When I look at my finger afterwards, it always reminds me of Ed.
I am flushed with pride !
We have two choices.
1) Consistency of tissue, soft as same.
2) Shiny on one side, surface reminiscent of fine emery cloth on the other.
Perhaps we need a third way….
Red Ed? If you have piles, you have my sympathy. Otherwise, try clipping your claws!
Try using Izal to scrape the stuff off. The resulting mess will remind you of a certain one-eyed madman.
What was the point of Izal except to smear shit all over your arse?
The point of Izal was to spread it around so it dried quicker.
Occasionally the smear would reach my shoulder blades.
I’m making moves.
David Miliband can never be Labour Leader. What a farce that would be. This is real life, real problems, not Eastenders. A posh version of Grant and Phil:
Ed: Get owwta of my shadow cabinet.
David: Na its my shadow cabinet, you get owwt.
Ed:Na you get owwwt.
David:Ya gonna pay faw this, I is gonna get my shadow cabinet back. You Ed, You aint my brovver. Get owwwwt!
Doof! Doof! Doof! Doof!
They’re not werf it…
You can’t compare the Miliband of Brothers to my sons! My sons work for a living providing services people actually want and need– let’s see the Miliband of Brothers run an auto repair or a boozer! (Course my lads are a little rough around the edges and prone to a bit of the old ultra-violence now and again, but they’re basically GOOD boys!)
Jacques Chirac has been found guilty of diverting public funds. His punishment? Two year suspended sentence. One rule for them etc.
Sounds very harsh to me.
What a corrupt French politician?
Wonders will never cease.
W.W.
Can I lead Labour again?
I am Optimus Prime
No, you are Nokius Hurla. Ask Sue.
Spelman is going to axe the badger.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2074074/Badger-cull-trial-ahead-Environment-Secretary-Caroline-Spelman-announces.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Disgraceful.
Most badgers are socialists.
Call me Alice
FFS make your mind up, it was Doris last week.
Que song “Brown called Alice”.
I prefer torture or rendition to silence the socialist sheeple.
Another Bombshell!! Not
@Schrödinger’s Cat. Have tried Cat litter?
Hello! What are you doing here? You can come in by the front door if you prefer. I never allow anyone else to use the back door…
is she doing a study on incapacity benefit fraud
Was Rick Astley playing in the background?
No doubt one of the Heathrow Efnicks has brought his grandad into the country.
Had this pensioner only recently been released back into the community?
Yes, but I’m a tad concerned about the future.
Forgot to mention that I’ll be voting five times for the Conservatives and twice for UKIP too.
I take it she will be docked a day’s pay. No way should the taxpayer finance her party political activities.
Just as she went to Liverpool for the first time in her life to be adopted as Labour candidate.
CAN I HIRE THE PWIME MINISTER’S SCWIPTWHITER ?????
TOMORROWS HEADLINES !
LIMP DUMBS obliterated in bye-bye election !
UKIP now a true mainstream party…..
The fight to get the country back under our control has begun ! We are weeding out the traitors.
Don’t listen to these nasty bloggers, Ed. Listen to the music, instead.
Face the music more like.
Dear Santa,
For Christmas I would like to be popular please. I want my MP’s to say nice things about me instead of whispering that they are going to take over soon. Also I would like the press to say I am a really good leader and not make fun of me, and for voters to all say they would sooner have me as the prime minister instead of that nasty posh man. And if it’s not too much can I please also have a remote control talking Lightning McQueen from Cars 2.
I have been a very good boy this year. I have even tried hard to be nicer to my brother.
Thank you, Ed
Dear Ed
Thank you for your letter. Unfortunately for you I have been watching you and hearing about your antics all year, and to sumarise I think your are a complete horrible little shit.
You have not been a good boy, you dont know what a good boy is. You are totally self deluded and out of your depth. You are a lying little spazpecker who exists mainly to irritate fellow humans.
And as for your antics in the House of Commons and your so-called representation of the little people of Great Britain – just dont get me started.
Your role as an MP is purely for your own gain. You spout shite and drivel on a daily basis and you seem hell bent of being totally out of touch with your fellow humans.
You are a treacherous bastard who wants to sell your country out to Europe (and they are right nasty bastards) just so that you can get a job on board the gravy train.
Lets face it you havent done a true days work in your life. You have never had a real job, you know fuckall about manking money,and I need people to have money so they can buy lots of pressies, otherwise I wouldnt exist.
I am also troubled as I have 254 requests from Labour MPs who all want a new Leader.
So I guess your fucked little boy. Look in the mirror and you will see where it all went wrong.
Happy Christmas
Lots of Love
S A N T A x x x
The answer is no! Now fuck off.
Ed also thinks he is safe because he surrounded by close allies like, Balls, Cooper, Harman et al.
Ahhhhh my spleen just burst!
8% see him as a natural leader? I’ve not heard of such a ludicrous overestimate since Piggy Pickles claimed to 30 stone (oh sorry – that was an underestimate?).
LABOUR JUST DONT GET IT !!
Your on the wrong side of the public over the EU you fucking mongs.
All your SpAds have been a waste of time if they missed pointing out the empty net for you left footed tossers.