November 1st, 2011

The Evening Independent

The Indy and the Standard have begun a slow merger. Despite talk of “separate identities” the Lebedev’s pet Pravda projects have merged their sports and business desks. Guido got thinking, why has no newspaperever tried to go national in the evenings? Only a few more years left to give it a go…


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    With Hari as editor?


    • 7
      Billy's anal wart says:

      Hello :)


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        • 33
          Lord Mandelbum of Fondleboys says:

          Guido: “Guido got thinking, why has no newspaper has ever tried to go national in the evenings?”

          ‘Cos most news wot’s worth reporting in the UK happens during the day, so, in the old days, national newspapers then had the evening and night to prepare and print their papers and take them to the railway stations surrounding Fleet Street for nationwide distribution in time for the mornings.

          The catch with an evening paper is that it gets out of date so much more quickly (relative to the daily news cycle), so you either need to limit the distribution area or have a number of satellite printing and distribution areas… not a cheap proposition as a new business venture.

          Least that’s how I sees it.


  2. 2
    AC1 says:

    The evening standard is over-priced, and with this merger with the independent of reality you can see why.


  3. 3
    Tax Payer says:

    You can’t distribute for the evening?

    BTW – ‘Give IT a go…’


  4. 4
    Luciana Berger - who hasn't she shagged? says:

    Not sure about the rest but the Telegraph, Express and Mail cannot have evening editions as their readers are put to bed by their carers at 5.00 pm..


  5. 5
    Peter Grimes says:

    The Deadwood Press in its last death throes!


  6. 6
    Steve Miliband says:

    Rachel Reeves is a right screecher – (at treasury Q’s)


  7. 9
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “why has no newspaper has ever tried to go national in the evenings?”

    At a guess – distribution. Even if you’ve got a depot somewhere near either end of the M62 (etc. – and I’m not sure they did print papers in such places 10 years ago) you’ve still got at least a 2-3 hours extra distribution time to make an evening paper really “national”.

    Having your news an extra 2-6 hours late is less of a problem if those hours are in the night.


  8. 10
    John77 says:

    Two reasons
    i) now less relevant – impracticable to distribute series of editions nationally when the lunchtime edition would get from London to Newcastle (or vice versa) by the fastest train just in time to compete with the Late Final.
    ii) Evening newspapers provide local news so are complementary to national morning papers. There are a handful, but only a handful of local morning papers
    i) (b) Even if you email editions to local presses, you’ve still got distribution problems or sub-scale printing runs


    • 51
      bergen says:

      I agree.

      Nowadays even the local evening paper in the provinces is printed overnight in London or the Midlands and can be bought at 7 in the morning emblazoned “Late Town Final” or similar together with with the morning nationals.


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  10. 14
    TAT says:

    Yes, but will it keep out the cold under the railway arch at night?


  11. 19
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


  12. 21
    ex-Tory says:

    I pick up the ES every evening. The influence of the Independent is clear. Its turning into a propoganda sheet for the socialist protest movement. All their hacks are so far left, their ear fills with water when it rains. They were very anti the Red Islamist Ken Livingstone in 2008. Next year, I reckon they will back him.


  13. 26
    Ed Miliband says:

    I come from a generation that suffered school lessons in portacabins and crumbling hospitals. I tell you one thing, for the eighteen years they were in power the Tories did nothing to fix the roof when the sun was shining.


    • 27
      Wonk Watch says:

      Why did your school use crumbling hospitals for classrooms Ed?


      • 31
        annette curton says:

        For dramatic licence?.


        • 72
          Anonymous says:

          Could this have been something to do with ineriting a bankrupt country?

          Oh, if only they’d done a ‘Brown’ and borrowed insanely, then you’d have your new hosptial.. on tick


    • 29
      Flushed with success says:


      We had portaloos.


    • 43
      nell says:

      It’s not the buildings that make a good school it’s the teachers.

      We had a good system before labour brought the comprehensives in – since then the UK education state system has lagged badly behind a good many countries and is still struggling deliver a decent standard of education to our children.

      It does look though, as though the academies will finally improve the quality of education but we’re still a few years away from knowing whether they can rebuild the trashed education system that the last labour government left us.


      • 54
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        A local school of ours did actually have a leaking roof, used to drip down onto the fuse boxes in the corner of the room and make all the lights go out. Which does rather piss on both soundbites.


      • 56
        Archer Karcher says:

        The trashing was deliberate nell, ZaNu decided along with others, that an educated population is a dangerous population.
        They decided to dumb down schoolchildren and the population as a whole and disguise it as an academic success story. They largely succeeded too.


    • 46
      Titford Hat says:

      Glad you admit the sun was shining when the Tories were in power. It soon went behind the clouds when Bliar got elected. We then had thirteen years of gloom and doom and pissing money up the wall until the country was broke.


    • 47
      Polly Seewonk says:

      You should write a book – ‘One Day in the Life of Edvan Millisovich’.

      The tale of how you stung your finger on your violin will bring the system crashing down.


      • 61
        annette curton says:

        He thought about calling it Ed’s Gulag Archipelago, but then realised wouldn’t be able to effectively publicise the books title when sat on the BBC’s Breakfast TV couch, archy.. archy…pella…go.


    • 52
      The Good Old Days when everything was Grey says:

      That’s nothing in the 60’s my junior school was next to a WW2 bomb site and we had to pee in a bucket in the corner of the classroom(er sorry bomb site)….but we was ‘appy….even though the teacher used to cane the whole class as a matter of course….as he said somebody must have done summat wrong so this’ll make sure I punish the right lad.and we all passed our 11 plus to the Grammar and thence too university…all free..and now we’re in charge of things…and a right bloody mess we’ve made of it too


  14. 30
    Titford Hat says:

    The Indy is pretty well unreadable.
    I don’t live in London but I was there recently and the train home was awash with discarded Standards. I read one and I can say that it was worth every penny of the purchase price, but no more. I did take a couple home to light the woodburner with.

    And the underground – a sardine can full of the united nations. I was a stranger in my own country.


  15. 53
    Where have I seen this before? says:

    Did someone mention Brazilian Beef?


  16. 63
    I don't read newspaper says:

    Newspapers are on the way out!


  17. 65
    Goode, Rich & Pickens Legal Services says:

    Before e-newspapers I used to ask people if I could borrow 50p to buy a copy of the Independent.


  18. 67
    S says:

    ‘The Standard’ – a national edition in the morning (tablet only, paid) and a special edition of it in the evening for London ‘Evening Standard’ (tablet and dead trees edition – both free and ad supported)


    • 71
      Really? says:

      It seems you’ve had sight of commercially confidential information – Nikolai Flobadob’s past life seems to have made him expert in arranging such ‘leaks’…


  19. 70
    Anonymous says:

    Further to a comment above, the Evening Standard has indeed been infiltrated by the socialist mentality of the journalists of the Independent.

    Particularly stupid and dangerous are their incessant calls for more public squandering, more government borrowing, more BoE money-printing …

    Even as a free-sheet, the Standard can survive on private sector advertising. But it is ironic that the so-called Independent can only exist as the property of a former KGB agent, and as a parasite on capitalism.


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