October 24th, 2011

Rich & Mark’s Monday Morning View


228 Comments

  1. 1
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    Blame the N*A*Z*I* bastard Germans, will be funny to see the whole of Europe get pissed off with the cheeky kraut fuckers again. Looks like WW1 & WW2 where enough for them. This time nuke the fuckers worse than Japan got.

    • 4
      Rupe says:

      Streuth.

      • 66
        Lady Virginia Droit de says:

        Although comment #1 is clearly the product of a disturbed mind there is an element of it that is very important.

        As our self-interested, detached political class become increasingly distance from the electorate they purport to represent the temptation for people to vote for extremist parties offering simple but hard messages will become greater.

        In some countries the extreme right and left have historically garnered a sizeable percentage of the vote (France and Italy spring to mind) and in others unpleasant right wing groups have actually formed part of government coalitions (Austria and Denmark).

        It seems to me that these groups are the ones most likely to benefit from the dithering, ineffectiveness, corruption and self-interest of the political class across Europe.

        • 75
          Dogsbreath says:

          good post!

          • Handycock, the Hobbitt says:

            The Liberal democrats will also benefit from this dithering. We are full square behind Europe, the bailout, abolition of tuition fees, and unrestricted immigration. Boaz.

          • Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

            As the Greeks go on Strike the government already hadn’t a hope to pay back the DEBT. Let them go Bankrupt. Stop sending money to them so they can pay back the BANK DEBT.

        • 97
          Handycock, the Hobbitt in Russia says:

          • Appalled Constituent says:

            “Hancock… Hancock…Hancock!”…Well he did tell us last week that he was ‘unwell at the moment’. Being down and out on the street in Russia can’t be good for your health. Perhaps he was thrown out by Katya’s parents on his last visit.

          • Anothe Appalled Constituent. says:

            Another example of Hancock’s control of the Portsmouth News. The newspaper has not allowed any online comments about recent articles on Hancock and his sexual activities with his Russian Intern, and the articles they have published have been, on balance, much more favourable to this pervert than any other Newspaper. The Portsmouth News is a disgrace and I will not buy it anymore, as other Portsmouth residents should also not do. We want this disgrace ful MP out of his seat and we want it NOW.

        • 118
          The Golem says:

          +1 Good post!

        • 122

          Do the people deserve the politicians that they get or do the politicians deserve the people?

          It all seems a bit chicken and egg to me.

      • 126
        • 175
          Anonymous says:

          Many Conservatives do not trust David Cameron. Few trust the Coalition. And almost all have no trust in the British establishment which has, for over three decades, told them to shut up and accept that Europe is, like it, loathe it or simply want to change it, Britain’s destiny.

          That lack of trust has been fuelled by William Hague’s conversion from the man who stood up on the back of a flatbed lorry, held up a pound coin and warned that there were just hours left to save the pound to softly spoken diplomat and defender of the Coalition who recommends compromise, caution and realism.

          http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15429112

    • 12
      Up sh1t creek says:

      Ed Miliband is all over the place in this train-wreck interview on Europe and the economy.

      • 27
        Anonymous says:

        Run Forrest, Run

      • 33
        Where's the cheese Gromit? says:

        Beware of geek’s talking shit.

      • 59
        Stilton Cheesewright says:

        What a fucking useless twat! Labour in opposition for next 20 years if this is the best they have. The whole reason for the issue is that the electorate has never been given the chance to vote on greater European integration and the devolving of powers to the EU. That is all we want.
        This was his chance to undermine Cameron and to establish himself as a British democrat. Instead he’s just another 90s Labour ‘lets leave it to the EU to carry forward socialism on the sly’
        Tosser

      • 62
        Lady Virginia Droit de says:

        His arguments throughout the interview are intellectually incoherent. He comes across as a not very bright sixth former asked to participate in a debate with the headmaster in front of the entire school.

        • 86
          anon says:

          Ed M.
          Horseman of the apocalisp.

        • 187
          Hugh Janus says:

          “His arguments throughout the interview are intellectually incoherent. He comes across as a not very bright sixth former asked to participate in a debate with the headmaster in front of the entire school.”

          Why should we expect anything more from this ignorant twerp, this Son of Brown?

      • 64
        vladikavkaz says:

        could they not do any better? Really?

      • 72
        Trinny says:

        “when I’m Prime Minister”
        hahahahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahah hahaahahhaahah hahahahahaha hhahaahhahahaha

      • 101
        Tony says:

        Ha Ha, Its so funny when Jon says he did well at the labour party conference and Ed says “Thank you very much” before Jon says “At getting all business against you!”

        • 151
          Rev. Rupert Beefy Bingham says:

          If the Labour party can’t see what a totally appalling performance he gives then they deserve him. He’ll be the Kinnock of the 21st century, Cameron has no worries here, still when the time to hand out the EU sinecures comes he’ll have surgically enhanced snout in the trough with the rest of them.

          • gildedtumbril says:

            Yes, the millipede is another pillock. It must be noted, however, that the pillock and his nepotic family are doing rather well out of the godamned eu gravytrain. Just like that gruesome clown forage the diversionary clown and master gravytrain milker,(By his own testimoney) Happy accidental typo that.
            Bastards all and traitors to boot, and the sooner they are booted the better.

      • 184
        Dick the Butcher says:

        What a twat.

      • 198
        Alistair Campbell makes me ashamed to be human says:

        When the businesses who pay the taxes to pay the public sector have all gone down the pan, will this millionaire give his money to pay them instead?

      • 226
        simon r says:

        what i say to you…what i say to you…%@&^ re-boot

    • 108
      Sir William Waad says:

      You mean ‘formerely known as TAT’. He is FORMALLY known as The Rt. Hon. Edward Balls, MP.

    • 213
      Heretic says:

      Or just bring back that old chestnut like REAL MONEY !
      i believe that had we ALL had our own CONTROLS!! over the
      nations needs,instead of this ILLEGAL Euro shite !.
      I really don’t understand why EUROPE takes orders from
      an institution that is fundamentally flawed !.
      ANY MP’S WITH A SHRED OF DECENCY (?) VOTE OUT out out !!!!

  2. 2
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    *weren’t

  3. 3
    Greek bloke says:

    Muchos gracias my european ‘friends’ – next time we’ll try not to force your PM to undermine the whole democratic values your parliament is based on, promise eyy

  4. 5
    Captain Von Trapp says:

    Is it Margaret Beckett?

  5. 6
    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    It’s all Greek to me.

  6. 7
    Red Rum says:

    Who’s the horse in the middle?

  7. 8
    Ex Bootneck says:

    Is it a virus?

  8. 9
    Eric Morcambe says:

    ‘What’s a Grecian urn?

  9. 10
    Displaced Brummie says:

    “Here you are, Greeks! Take your extra levels of debt! You KNOW it is good for you!”

    • 56
      PhilW says:

      I have a deja vu moment coming on – After our political bureaucrats created a new sub underclass of benefit cheats and scroungers european bureaucrats have now created a sub underclass of scrounging nations.

  10. 11
    AC1 says:

    The 3 Trillion!

    Take my Chequebook if I fall.

  11. 13
    Aruga aruga aruga!!!! says:

    This Blog is infected with a Trogan virus.

  12. 14
    Spartacus says:

    At least I recognize the character

  13. 16
    The Queen says:

    Don’t stop me now.

    I’m a shooting star leaping through the sky
    Like a tiger defying the laws of gravity
    I’m a racing car passing by like Lady Godiva
    I’m gonna go go go
    There’s no stopping me

    • 115
      Mr Fahrenheit says:

      I’m burning through the skies Yeah!
      Two hundred degrees
      That’s why they call me Mister Fahrenheit
      I’m trav’ling at the speed of light
      I wanna make a supersonic woman of you

  14. 18
    Up sh1t creek says:

    Is it a metaphor for the Conservative party?

    On the outside it looks like the Conservatives, but hiding inside is David Cameron, the Trojan Horse who is not a real Conservative, but Blue Labour – heir to Blair, trashing the UK as Blair did.

    • 37
      Whipped Tory Back Bencher says:

      You have got it in one….but the trouble is spineless Dave just does’nt understand ‘This not the end, its just the beginning of the end’

      • 57
        Fiat Justitia ruat caelum says:

        “Dave” tells us that despite being unexpectedly ambushed(another triumph for British Foreign Office intelligence) by Germany & France aided by Van Rumpuoy over the necessity of a new treaty(which Van Rumpouy hastily changed to treaty changes when rumbled by the UK press)to enable certain “changes” to be made to the EU rules(fiscal union and financial services tax)that these are only “limited changes” effecting ONLY the 17 eurozone countries(?)and that he will ensure that Britain’s interest is safeguarded and that he will most definitely at least try to negotiate powers back to Westminster.He’s not going to succeed for two reason …one the LibDems are boasting/ briefing everyone in sight that they will block Cameron if he tries to grab powers back to UK and secondly Britain’s Governments/main political parties always back down to the EU demands and tries to dress up abject surrender as victory to what it assumes is a gullible electorate

        Cameron needs to understand that after to-day he no longer speaks for Britain on the EU..the majority of the electorate want a referendum on EU mebership which he and other party leaders refuse to yield to.In the event that there is an attempt at any new or changed treaty the case for a UK referendum will be unstoppable and if the resulting flood takes down Cameron and the Coalition so be it…some things are worth making a stand over whatever the cost…a fact that sadly our Prime Minister doesn’t appear to be willing to understand…

      • 76
        vet says:

        Never change streams in mid horse.

      • 117
        Grunpy Old Critic says:

        This not the end, this is not the beginning of the end, this is not even the end of the beginning. It’s a set of rhetorical devices which don’t end up making much sense.

    • 165
      jabbathecat says:

      The real trojan horse in the midst of the Tory party is Saida Warsi…

  15. 19
    Tachybaptus says:

    I like the way that Rich and Mark have made their signature into a stream of horseshit.

  16. 20
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    DAVE ‘PEACE IN OUR TIME’ CAMERON lol

    ”He also won a fight to include a “safeguard clause” that the eurozone would not be allowed to take any decisions on issues, such as regulation of financial services, that affected all the EU’s 27 members.
    ”I have secured a commitment today that we must safeguard the interests of countries that want to stay outside the euro, particularly with respect to the integrity of the single market for all 27 members.
    The EU text, described as a “major victory” by British diplomats, calls on the European Commission “to safeguard a level playing field among all member states including those not participating in the euro”.

  17. 21
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    Dave ‘peace in our time’ Cameron lol.

  18. 22
    Louis Walsh says:

    Rich and Mark you have made the political cartoon your own.

  19. 23
    The little Brits have to sacrifice their democratic rights to save the shitty euro arseholes says:

    Flogging a dead horse!

  20. 24
    Ho ho ho garth says:

    Well they’re as funny as rocking horse shit again…

  21. 25
    Gordon says:

    I had a rocking horse, once.

  22. 26
    Proof of the Pud says:

    A funny cartoon from Rich and Mark is as rare as rocking horse shit.

  23. 28
    Chuka says:

    Hung like a Donkey.

  24. 29
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    I’m pondering putting 10k on France losing it’s triple A rating by the end of the week.

    • 30
      Ladbrooks says:

      Ponder all you want vagrant one but that bet is closed.

    • 32
      Ha! says:

      Like your thinking but try finding a bookie who’ll take it.

    • 38
      1922 committee member unable to speak @ present says:

      The odds on safer bet is “Call me Dave”being deposed before the end of the week….after tonites rigged EU vote

  25. 36
    Dianne Fatbutt says:

  26. 39
    Nappy Rash says:

    Is it Gordon’s rocking horse after it lost its rocker?

  27. 42
    Marky Mark says:

    Who’s supposed to be talking?……..this cartoon just doesn’t make sense to me

  28. 44
  29. 46
    Foxed again says:

    Is it a subtle innuendo alluding to Dr Fox and his best man Adam Werritty going Greek?

  30. 47
    Anonymous says:

    Maybe he was up all night expressing carla’s milk for bebes midnight feed…

  31. 49
    Geoffrey G Brooking says:

    Another Jacqui Hancock makeover

  32. 50
    Repeating History Professer says:

    I. THE GRIEVANCES OF THE PLEBS

    The Power of the Patricians.—The patricians and plebeians had united in their efforts to drive out the kings; but when the struggle against the kingship was ended, the chief fruits of the victory fell to the patricians. The plebeians could, it is true, still vote in the comitia centuriata; but they could not hold any of the new offices, nor could they sit in the senate. Rome became a republic, but it was an aristocratic, and not a democratic republic; that is, the chief power rested not in the whole people, but in a particular class. The plebeians might perhaps have submitted to the government of the patricians, if it had not been exercised in a selfish and oppressive manner. But the patrician rule proved to be as despotic as that of the kings; and a long and fierce struggle ensued between the two orders. As the patricians were generally more wealthy than the plebeians, the conflict became at first a struggle between the rich and the poor, a contest for a more equal distribution of wealth.

  33. 51
    Repeating History Professor says:

    I. THE GRIEVANCES OF THE PLEBS

    The Power of the Patricians.—The patricians and plebeians had united in their efforts to drive out the kings; but when the struggle against the kingship was ended, the chief fruits of the victory fell to the patricians. The plebeians could, it is true, still vote in the comitia centuriata; but they could not hold any of the new offices, nor could they sit in the senate. Rome became a republic, but it was an aristocratic, and not a democratic republic; that is, the chief power rested not in the whole people, but in a particular class. The plebeians might perhaps have submitted to the government of the patricians, if it had not been exercised in a selfish and oppressive manner. But the patrician rule proved to be as despotic as that of the kings; and a long and fierce struggle ensued between the two orders. As the patricians were generally more wealthy than the plebeians, the conflict became at first a struggle between the rich and the poor, a contest for a more equal distribution of wealth.

  34. 52
    Gabriel says:

    The boss always likes to drop subtle hints. Take Greek finance for example :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bläack%E2%80%93Scholes

  35. 54
    EU jockey says:

    I’ll have to use my whips to get this nag home.

  36. 55

    Well I say its Another Jacqui Hancock makeover, and some thing else would be FACEOFF so other can or can`t See the truth behind it………!!!

  37. 58
    Dave the Dictator says:

    ……….. you see, it’s like this ….. erm … every five years or so we elect a new government based on all the promises they make and the plans they have to run the country … yes …. so we now have a situation where having done that, so to speak, although the result gave no party an overall mandate, these little chappies called MPs formed a coalition and continued to make promises like clearing the debts that the bankers had run up with the consent of the previous government, making most people in the country poorer, and having a more democratic society using such themes as referendums and the big society and all in it together.

    now it seems that once elected all these little chappies, paid for by the people, want to vote to stop the people from voting …. in a demcracy??? … what’s democratic about that????? … yes, they think they know better than the people who voted for them that giving ordinary people a vote might not be in their interests …. so now we live in a dictatorship because the people we voted for say so!!

  38. 60
    Anonymous says:

    cameron hague osbourne all traitors.

    cameron,with so much ill feeling for brown and all the bad economic news at the time, couldn’t even win the last election in 2010.

    he definitely won’t win the next in 2015 that’s for sure. he’s a dead man walking.

    • 71
      pegasus says:

      wot a load of Moussaka.

    • 73
      Moddy Botty says:

      I don’t think any one party,if there was a general election could win an out and out victory, the Cons, sorry but people are starting to hurt and it is moving nearer to the south east the Tory heart land, people don’t liking being hurt, there is still a suspicion that the Tories are the nasty party; Liebore, no one trusts them with things financial, a lot of people think a lot of them a two faced chancers, LibDems have burned their boat unless they can pull themselves something out of the ashes they will be going nowhere.

      • 79
        Chefette d'outre-mer says:

        So that would appear to leave us with the youkippers or the Putiny bunch

      • 139
        Tumbril Maker says:

        All three of these vile parties will be happy to be re-elected on an ever-dwindling vote in the coming years.

  39. 63
    Moddy Botty says:

    Has anyone noticed where Mark & Rich have placed their logo, sums a lot of things up

  40. 67
    Well it's a thought says:

    Morning MPs, today is the day when you decide if you work for the Public and Democracy or yourself and cast iron Dave, make your career threatening decision a good one, we won’t forget either way.

    • 99
      North Dorset MP, before boundary changes says:

      I thank you for sharing your views with me regarding the Backbench Business debate which will now take place on Monday 24th October proposing a referendum on the United Kingdom’s membership of the European Union.

      It is clear from your comments that you hold strong views on the subject of our membership of the European Union and as always I will take the views of my constituents into account in any debate in the House of Commons.

      You will know that at the General Election last year both parties in the Coalition were committed to Britain’s continued membership of the European Union, but the Conservative Party made it clear that there would be no further transfers of competence to the EU without a referendum in which the British people could express their view on that proposal. That commitment was fulfilled by the passage of the European Union Act 2011 which received Royal Assent and became law on 19th July.

      I thank you again for sharing your views with me.

      • 189
        Hugh Janus says:

        And here’s the offering from the MP for Wealden:

        “It is clear from the many emails I have received how strongly many people feel about this issue and as a long-standing Eurosceptic (I was one of those who started Business for Sterling which helped keep the UK out of the Euro), I fully share your concerns about the way the EU has increased its powers.

        Like other Conservative MPs, I fought the last election on a manifesto pledge that we would prevent further powers being transferred to Brussels without a referendum. That commitment was one of the first Acts of Parliament by the new administration last year.

        I am concerned however about the impact of a referendum at a time of unparalleled instability in Europe. The focus of all of us in Government should be on the policies which will help bring back stability to the Eurozone, which is increasingly undermining the economic recovery in those countries outside the Eurozone as well.

        In my own particular policy area, energy, the uncertainty created by a referendum could have completely devastating effects. One of my priorities is to secure investment in a new generation of nuclear powered stations. The companies looking to build those are predominantly French, German or Spanish. Each one would cost £5 billion or more. I am absolutely certain that it would not be possible to secure decisions to invest such sums in the UK, by companies in the EU, at a time when there was doubt about the whole nature of the future of our position in Europe. Without such investment, I do not see how we keep the lights on in a few years time.

        I certainly want to see a relationship with the EU primarily based on trade, but I believe the motion before Parliament today would actually make it more difficult to achieve that in an orderly way, which also protects our wider economic interests.

        I hope this is helpful in explaining why I will not be able to support the motion today.”

        No, not in the slightest bit helpful. Yet another Conservative who is in complete denial, and who offers no prospect whatsoever of any real change to the status quo. They are sleepwalking to disaster.

  41. 68
    Ted Rogers 3-2-1 says:

    Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth?

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    • 104
      Mornington Crescent says:

      Excellent stuff.

    • 127
      nell says:

      +Sigh+

      jonah’s not bothered anymore. He’s retreated into his delusion that he is essential to the international lecture circuit to keep telling them how he saved the world so that they don’t forget what a wonderful legacy he left us.

      singapore in september – paid £12750 , abu dhabi in october paid about the same. Lord knows why they want him but he’s happy to keep taking their money as well as ours whilst he pretends to be an mp.

  43. 74
    Hugh Janus says:

    You have to admire the timing of the Diminutive Frog, just hours before the Commons referendum vote:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2052628/Im-sick-advice-says-sneering-Sarko-French-president-fuels-acrimony-Cameron.html

    Presumably the French Midget isn’t getting any, hence his offensive behaviour…

    • 82
      Well it's a thought says:

      It’s the comments that rusty should be looking at, pats him on the back while knifing him, still today his political career is on the front burner, on fire, stupid arrogant sod.

    • 192
      Do they mean us? says:

      Without knowledge of his living arrangements at the Elysee palace, it’s possible to guess that the arrival of a baby is disturbing his sleep (if the pressures of high office weren’t enough to do that alone).

    • 203
      Cuban heels says:

      I wouldnt buy a used car from this little wide boy

  44. 78
    Well it's a thought says:

    The Greeks are doing what every other member country of the cabal of “making it’s population poor by pissing good money after bad” did, the thing they go right was to make sure the money was pissing there way and they had fun doing it, pay it back don’t be stupid.

  45. 83
    Chefette d'outre-mer says:

    Honest Guv, it really is Shergar.

  46. 85
    Richard Drax says:

    David Cameron is a turd !!!

    • 114
      The Royal Society For The Protection Of Turds says:

      Turds are at least honest, and don’t pretend to be something they are not.

  47. 87
    Well it's a thought says:

    You idiot you forgot to bring the printing machine.

  48. 89
    Hang The Bastards says:

    OCTOBER 24th – The Day Democracy Died !

  49. 90
    Well it's a thought says:

    Does the horse have a list of available vacancys for the British MPs who have decided to commit political suicide by voting for rusty Dave.

  50. 93
    Hang The Bastards says:

    OCTOBER 24th – The Day Democracy Died !!

    • 195
      Hugh Janus says:

      The terrible beating taken by democracy from the arrogant and self-serving political class has indeed brought it to within inches of death by successive governments.

      Call Me Dave’s legacy will be the administration today of the last rites.

  51. 95
    It's an Equitable Life says:

    There was NO bailout for Lloyd’s of London during the period 1986-91- a huge City earner for Centuries.

    Why?

    • 179
      The Paragnostic says:

      Presumably because the assumption was that only a few people were hurt by the dodgy syndicates, while there is an illogical feeling amongst politicians that the collapse of a few banks would hurt millions of depositors. Not true, of course – the state could protect depositors while allowing shareholders to shoulder the full risk, but never does so because…

  52. 102
    Anonymous says:

    if you vote for the 3 main parties you are endorsing their pro-europe policies.

    so don’t fucking moan. you put them there.

    you will never get a vote on europe, no matter what any of them say, and even if you did and said no, they would keep going until you say yes!

    United States of Europe is already here, you just don’t realise it! … and there is no way out!

    fait a complit!

  53. 103
    Dorian Smith says:

    Those nice people at http://occupylsx.org/ have deleted the minutes of their meeting from their website.

    Still, no problem, thanks to google cache it’s still there, find it reposted here:

    http://councillorahmedkhan.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupylsx-general-assembly-minutes.html

    Includes the gems:

    “If we want to go pure, we need to go barefoot. Sneakers are made in sweatshops.”

    “We need to keep ourselves here for a reason. We still haven’t decided what the reason is.”

    • 206
      Immature minds says:

      Totaly awesome dude!

      • 208
        Dorian Smith says:

        No one from occupylsx, official or supporter can defend it, nor can they say whether it was decided to delete the minutes by a vote or if some unelected ‘leader’ decided for them.

        So much for being a force for change, they are in bed with tax evaders The Gurniad, multi millionairess Polly Toynbee, Billy Bragg, ukuncut, the unions, Peter Tatchell and they even retweet (I kid you not) David Icke. If you could cure middle class guilt, they wouldn’t exist.

        Still the occupy movement has their priorities right, they have a piano, a meditation tent, a cinema – they are so busy, too busy to say what they propose or what they are for.

        • 211
          Mon Dieu says:

          Just been watching on AlJazeera a docucrap about the “English Riots”. Written, produced and presented by someone called Lewis, a Grundian “journalist”. All from a complete left wing view with no redeeming features. Poor downtrodden rioters have all been “excluded”. If it comes your way, don’t waste your elecricity watching it.

  54. 105
    Anonymous says:

    YOU MUST NOW REALISE THAT THE POLITICAL ELITE COULDN’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOUR ANTI UNITED STATES OF EUROPE VIEWS.

    YOU’RE GETTING IT AND TO HELL WITH YOU

  55. 106
    Sir William Waad says:

    Timeo Danaos et Eurones capiunt.

  56. 109
    Bill Cash says:

    MAKE NO MISTAKE,DAVID CAMERON IS FAKE

  57. 112
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    BBC News Headline: Adam Werritty puts penis into jars of peanut butter for sexual pleasure.

    He is fucking nuts!

  58. 116
    Let me be your Fag says:

    Watching Sky News now, Cast Iron Guiarantee Call me Dave looks really quite worried

    • 121
      It Could Be You! says:

      Perhaps the bastard is thinking about what happened in Sirte last week.

      Hopefully…

    • 124
      Hang The Bastards says:

      Cameron has fucked up big time. This is what happens when you try to shaft the little people.

      • 152
        The Paragnostic says:

        Now, now – Sarkozy is very sensitive about his height!

      • 182
        Now IS the time says:

        He’s actually just beginning to realise that there is the real possibility of the EU requesting a new treaty which will build up pressure to hold a referendum in UK howver he and Hague dress it up…he also now realises that despite the rhetoric he will be unable to re-patriate powers back to UK for a variety of reasons not least the LibDem veto…that’s why he was going on yesterday about “limited Treaty Changes” when there is in practice no such thing…and the EU Commission is busily knocking away that argument as he speaks….a Trety Change WILL affect the UK materially…we will cede powers to the EU on tax and fiscal matters because the Commission will use other regulations to avoid the veto….Cameron has just looked over the precipice and realised that he is losing his support in the party and country over Europe

    • 140
      Tumbril Maker says:

      The real test will be if some of the rebels go over to UKIP afterwards. I’m not holding my breath but if they did, maybe a head of steam could build up to wrestle UKIP into being a real political force instead of the safety valve party it has been up until now.

      • 178
        nell says:

        It is a shame that ukip has not managed to get a few mp’s into parliament and I’m not sure why that is.

        But they do still carry some weight in tory marginals where they can threaten to put up a candidate and split the vote, potentially giving victory to labour if the tory candidate standing is a europhile.

        Still, sadly I don’t see them becoming a major political player anytime soon.

        • 186
          Tumbril Maker says:

          Yes, at least UKIP can still throw a spanner in their works. If they could grow a bit as well it would help to change public perceptions about the hopelessness of change through voting for one of the three faces of the EU establishment.

          I guess it will eventually come down to the increasing impoverishment of British people. Whistles and pulls another wooden wheel onto workbench.

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      Alistair Campbell makes me ashamed to be human says:

      To be fair, I can actually see Mr Sarky’s point of view. He must be unable to sleep at night, even if the bebe is good, because of this almighty crisis, and then our Dave comes along, not even his business, and starts mouthing off! And I never thought I’d say that!

      • 212
        Mon Dieu says:

        If our taxpayer money is going to propping up Frog banks, it most certainly is our business.

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    Balloon go pop says:

    Makes no sense as the Greeks don’t want the ‘gifts’ which are in fact for the French and German banks. Some basic understanding of politics handy in political satire.

  60. 123
    nell says:

    Even the greek empire came to a sticky end when the romans arrived.

    The EU has had its ascendancy and today , at least in the uk, will be the first marker in the uk battle to reduce the eu either to a trading partner or to rubble, I’m not much bothered which.

    The HoC vote for a referendum may not be won, but people are finally waking up to the fact that the UK gets nothing out of the EU whilst contributing £billions into its coffers. We have made net contributions of £90billion to it since the end of the 90′s. And disgusting Darling tried to lock us into contributing £billions more, by secretly signing that eu agreement, just a day before he left office.

    At least georgie has managed after a fight to rescind that agreement from 2013, but it has opened people’s eyes to the bottomless worthless pit the EU has become, and the demand for a referendum is only going to grow.

    Be interesting to see which mp’s today put their country before themselves or their parties. I hope guido will give us a list after the vote.

  61. 129
    Is it me? says:

    The EU is not a free trade zone but an ongoing massive Socialist experiment in social engineering funded from nation state taxes ( well those that pay taxes)

    • 133
      nell says:

      Yes indeed but socialism has been in decline around the globe for 20 years or so and now and the decline will eventually get the eu as well. Just have patience.

      However, I am happy for those 17 euro states who want to be a part of the socialist experiement to keep going until the inevitable collapse at the end.

      But it’s time for the UK to begin renegotiating back to a position where we are a non contributing trading partner or where we are out of it altogether. And the electorate should have a say which that is despite old simonhughes eyeing up some plumb eu job for his retirement and saying he knows better than we plebs and he’s not going to give us a vote.

      No wonder the condescending libdums support is falling if he’s typical of what they are!

      • 159
        Well it's a thought says:

        Nell the u-turn by you on your friend Rusty is unbelievable, I suppose the woman scorned is the woman to watch and make sure you have armour plate on your back.

        • 170
          nell says:

          Hmm. don’t know if it’s quite a uturn.

          I’ve never been a fan of the eu and that’s fairly common for folks in the countryside who’ve seen first hand the damage the eu has done. I had hoped cameron would be a bit more eurosceptic than bliar and gurninggordon and I’ve been disappointed.

          Having said that I appreciate he’s lumbered with the europhile libdums and has to temper his attitude to keep them on board the good ship Coalition.

          All the same, I think like a lot of other tory voters who actually are not party members I’m absolutely gobsmacked at how much he has kowtowed to the libdems when in fact they carry such a small percentage of public support.

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    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    I like it. I think the cartoonists have cracked it – don’t try to draw human figures and all will be well.

  63. 134

    The Greeks enjoy working little and living, and Europe has paid for it for years, and is going to continue to do so, otherwise all the BS will be exposed and it would all come tumbling down…

  64. 136
    nell says:

    http://www.thecommentator.com/article/564/david_cameron_must_start_listening_to_the_people_on_europe_not_president_barroso

    The British people are massively in favour of a referendum on europe. cameron needs to listen.

  65. 138
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    ‎’A group of right wing political bloggers from Neasden have issued an invitation to every right wing political blogger in the UK to join them at Occupy London Stock Exchange on Wednesday 26th October 2011″

  66. 141
    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Oh how very convenient a fake spat with frenchie, and all of a sudden all’s not well with the EU SSR just when there is going to be a ‘debate’ in the HoC.

    What a fcuking get-up.

  67. 144
    No, luv, I am not convinced says:

    Who the fuck is Emma Reynolds MP? Is that her with hair like a plate of spaghetti?

    Lecturing the UK public on the radio that now is not the time to be discussing a referendum for fear that the UK gets left behind in a ‘two speed Europe’…

    Piss off you silly little girl.

    • 155
      Fiat Justitia ruat caelum says:

      I’m just beginning to get the impression that “This is not the time to be discussing a referendum” is the official line put out by the whips office….as its been repeated “ad nauseum” by those Tory MPs(and others)who are intent on selling the British People down the river at Cameron’s bequest……no doubt the messagehas gone out to get on the airwaves and peddle this line….whilst at the same time “bigging up” Dave’s little manufactured spat with “Sarko(no doubt Dave has already sent his thanks to Nico for obliging)…it won’t wash the British people demand a referendum on UK membership of the EU…this is now the moment when the right of the Tory Party need to make a stand against Cameron’s liberal tendencies….they’ve been pushed around long enough..if they get their noses rubbed in it this time they might as well all bugger off to UKIP and accept that the Conservative Party is finished under Dave’s leadership…

    • 164
      The political elite's new mantra says:

      ‘now is not the time’ is the new mantra! the condescending simonhughes looking down his nose at us little people started it yesterday – ‘now is not the time’

      I suspect the coalition and militwit got together and sent each of their mp’s a little note about what they’d got to say about why the electorate are not entitled to a point of view . It was headed ‘now is not the time’ .

      Five words is apparently all that most of them can remember at any given time.

  68. 145
    Well it's a thought says:

    Just come back from a tat market and without opening my gob, the three parties are getting the blame by people when politics is brought up.

  69. 146
    La Rage says:

    So Sarko has told Dave to fuck off. Does that mean we can’t use the French aircraft carriers anymore?

  70. 149
    the most hated poster on here! says:
  71. 153
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, Me Mam say’s she’s not in ,But can she pay you double next week?

  72. 154
    Billy Bowden is the world's greatest umpire! says:

    Guido Fawkes tells David Cameron: shut up,take your refund and fuck off over todays referendum vote.

    Get in there,Guido.

  73. 160
    Well it's a thought says:

    I see Aljabeeb are enjoying rusty call me Dave’s problems, they don’t seem to realise they are also attacking their left wing lovies because after today the three parties will get blamed for not allowing Democracy in this country but attacking other countries with feeble attempts to bring Democracy to them.

    • 177
      Mission Accomplished ....if you say so !! says:

      Whereas of course they haven’t the bottle or inclination to actually stop human rights abuses in Iran;Syria and other well armed states…as for Libya..if they think they’ve actually brought immediate democracy to that country then then foreign office policy advisers haven’t actually upped their game very much from the Iraq Debacle…Libya is made up of tribes that historically have been at each other throats for generations and only held in check by Gaddafi’s regime.In addition add to the mix Islamists who are intent on creating a South Meditarranean Oil Rich Caliphate on the shores of the southern Meditarranenan and you begin to appreciate that far from bringing democracy we’ve probly created an even worse scenario in the long term..but then again “Dave” just jumped in without actually considering who the hell we were helping to power or that they would ultimately be any better….don’t forget that there were joyous crowds hailing Gaddafi as Saviour of his Country when he overthrew King Idris in 1969….another massive mis-calculation by the light weight Cameroon tendency

  74. 163
    the most hated poster on here! says:
  75. 171
    The Office Of Guido Fawkes says:

    Mustafa Abdul Billy Bowden, the chairman of the National Transitional Council, has a message for Libyans: Fear not, Sharia law is on the way. There’s no telling how this prospect, which is a horrifying one for nations that see Islamic law as both repressive and un-democratic, will take shape

  76. 193
    Lomax says:

    Blood and sand – a Rich and Mark I actually found funny/topical/well drawn! Keep it up (please)

    • 207
      Lord Fondlebum of Boy says:

      I agree, that looks exactly like a wooden rabbit. Brilliant! They’re not c unts after all!

      Just kidding. They most certainly are.

  77. 200
    cynic says:

    Jeeze …relevant and even funny. I am shocked. They should stop drawing people!

  78. 205
    Lord Fondlebum of Boy says:

    I come to Gweedo’s site every Monday morning like a dog returning to its vomit. Every Monday morning, I look with accidie at the pile of steaming, utter, projectile scat, with lumps of embedded sweetcorn, that is the latest Rich and Mark non-cartoon.

    Ennui engulfs me as their latest witless talentless crap defaces my PC monitor from the inside, even as mine arse doth pebbledash ye toilet bowle after a particularly explosive curry. And I thank God they haven’t yet invented Odorama for the PC.

    WTF is this f ucking load of crap?

    How is it supposed to be funny?

    If it’s the Greeks taking gifts why is there a f ucking wooden horse in the picture? If you took the picture away and left just the words – all 26 of them FFS – what would you lose? Nothing, the whole thing’s so shi te that the picture contributes nothing, all the “humour” is in the endless bloody verbiage. What kind of bl00dy cartoon needs 26 words of caption? That’s not a caption, that’s a f ucking blogpost.

    How much do R & M pay you to run this miserable witless f ucking shi te Gweedo? You greedy venal media wh0re. Why don’t you get Joe Pasquale to pay to provide Impression of the Week? Or how about a regular guest post by Russ Abbot? What a laugh he was, eh! Almost as funny as those wacky funsters Rich and Mark! Assuming he’s not dead that is. Is Russ Abbot dead, anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

    Rich and Mark would be just as funny dead as alive. That is, not funny in either case. Meanwhile, another Monday, another anal Nagasaki airbursting sulphurously all over the inside of my monitor.

  79. 225
    Socrates says:

    To paraphrase Virgil in the Aeneid :-

    “Euro ne credite, timeo Danaos et debitos ferentis”

  80. 228
    Anonymous says:

    Flogging a DEAD HORSE


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