October 21st, 2011

Despair on the Left

Gaddafi provided support over the years to not just the IRA but a rag-bag of left-wing fringe groups. There were many on the left who were not keen on taking on the tyrant in Tripoli. The New Statesman’s Mehdi Hasan was lamenting the dictator’s demise and the “imperialist war” waged by the West last night. That kind of thinking is common on the left.


  1. 1
    Rimmer says:

    I’m no leftie but the manner of his death was distasteful, he should have gone on trial for his crimes


    • 4
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Sadam Hussain= found in a bunker, tried under Iraqi law and executed.

      Mad Dog Gaddaffi= Found hiding in drains, shot,killed dragged thro streets.

      Good thing we dont have the death pen here, how could we be sure that if any of us were accused that they wouldnt just skip the trail and kill us?


      • 41
        Anonymous says:

        Killing a POW is a war crime. Regime change is illegal as well. If Gaddafi has been put before a judge we will know what happened were his looted money is, etc.


        • 64
          Anonymous says:

          Quite aside from whether it’s legal to kill a head of state (who was being courted by Blair etc not too long ago) in this atrocious way, why are our politicians celebrating these acts. What exactly are they celebrating? Why, in recent weeks, when ‘rebels’ have been assaulting urban areas populated by civilians, has the UN not imposed a ‘no-fly-zone’ to protect these civilians, or sent UN troops in to stop the ‘rebels’ maiming and killing the innocent?

          People accept what they see without asking questions it seems.


        • 80
          genghiz the kahn says:

          Was due process followed for Mussolini?


    • 7
      PK says:

      bollox – shot like a dog is what he deserved. to have done otherwise gives credence and credibility to his regime. local rules, local culture, local justice.


      • 47
        Anonymous says:

        If you take that view Gadaffi will be replaced by someone like Gadaffi.


      • 74
        Sir Barrington Minge says:

        I’ll bet B*Liar, Bush, Clinton et al are glad he is dead, no embarrasing disclosures in court!!


        • 83
          The Observer says:

          BBC have been pro Gadaffi until his death. Now the turncoats are showing scenes of jubilation but still handwringing about his death. Strange how if they lived in Stalinist era they would all have been put in gulags for reorientation, but the “key people” are locked into their tiny taxpayer security bubble, much like Westminster.
          Only problem with his death is that Lockerbie is now fully locked away.
          Now Assad will get really rough on his people and call in more Iranian reinforcements.


      • 79
        Ian E says:

        So, I guess, Saddam Hussein’s regime was given credence and credibility since he was not ‘shot like a dog’!?


    • 30
      Hava Nagila says:

      Be fair: you didn’t have to live under his regime for 42 years. You didn’t have family members tortured and executed for daring to question The Little Green Book.

      Would it have been better if he’d been taken alive tried? It certainly would – but you can’t expect a people who’ve been brutalised and oppressed by an insane dictator for 42 years to be overly concerned with the niceties of due process when they finally get their hands on the Hunt.


      • 43
        Anonymous says:

        You cannot replace an animal with another animal.


        • 58
          Fiscal Gerrymandering says:

          The ZaNuLieBore blog troll that is Anonymous forgets that Miliballs replaced Brown who replaced Blair.


          • Anonymous says:

            Brown was replaced by Cameron, who is continuing with most of Brown’s policies including a vote on EU.


        • 121
          Hava Nagila says:

          That’s a non sequitur. We’re talking about Gaddafi’s summary execution by angry citizens, not about the government that’s replacing him.

          I appreciate that you have your self-righteous catchphrases that you want to throw around in order to prove your moral superiority but it’d nice if you tried to keep them at least semi-relevant.


          • Anonymous says:

            The angry citizens had more ‘right’ to do this than anyone else. and it’s Libya’s issue, not ours (even tho he exported death and terrorism outside).

            The ‘best’ thing about this is that it has been by Libyans for Libyans.


    • 32
      Phil says:

      And what about the countless thousands he summarily executed over a blood soaked reign of 40 years? He had it coming and deserved everything he got.


      • 45
        Anonymous says:

        He was given the easy option every thing over in 5 mins. He could have been kept alive and insulted you years.


        • 84
          The Observer says:

          Poor old Any Mouse.
          You have obviously never lived in countries with such regimes as I have, where you had to watch every word you say, even though I had privileges as a foreign expatriate. To see people you know disappear and the lucky one’s have their body discovered days later makes you realise the contempt that I feel for people such as the Assad family.
          My experiences started with the 1967 Biafra War, and I soon learnt that a bullet or very short justice session is the only remedy for such transgressors. Taylor would not have caused so much further misery if this justice had been applied.


    • 53

      Have some sympathy with the sympathetic people. The rebels are not professional soldiers – they are ordinary people suddenly finding themselves shooting and being shot at. In that situation, anyone might also become emotional and violent upon encountering their former oppressor.

      Given the obviousness of this outcome, it’s astonishing Gaddafi did not take the opportunity to run when he could. He could be sitting on a beach right now. Maybe his “friends” – hi, Tony – should have told him some home truths rather than playing along with his psychopathy.


      • 59
        Anonymous says:

        However you put it, killing a POW is a war crime. If rebels are going to behave in the same way Gaddafi did then what the point, its same old same old story.

        Who ever killed Gaddafi after Gaddafi was captured should be put in a court.


        • 65
          Sandalista says:

          A bit like that “bodyguard” who killed his boss in Pakistan for suggesting that the blasphemy laws should be changed. The lawyers threw flower petals at him. I doubt that any Libyan Court would convict – presupposing that there is a court system we would recognised in place. The Gaddafi courts were not exactly a model the Libyan people would want to keep.


        • 69
          Blair and Bush should also be tried in the Hague says:

          The real World must come as quite a shock, quite sweet really


        • 101

          In what state, under what law? The dead psychopath conveniently left Libya with no institutions that might carry out such a trial, and no democratically-formed laws to justify one.


        • 119

          Also, a shot in the head spared the mad dog from having to read what Condi actually thought of him. Merciful, if you ask me.



        • 122
          9mm justice says:

          Killing a PoW is a war crime indeed, but a bunch of rabid would-be islamists killing one of their own doesn’t rate the same. The ones with their fingers on the triggers of the AK47s were hardly part of what we might assume is some sort of nation declaring war on another nation, indeed they weren’t in any sort of uniform.

          For all we know the madman was shot by one of his own ‘supporters’ for reasons best known to themselves.

          But a trial? Cue two years of prolonged ranting and embarrassing revelations about what the west and others did to support him. Would have been interesting but the chances are the outcome would be the same.

          One final point: when Gaddafi said his arrest by the mob was against “Islamic Law” (in itself a joke) the idea might have occurred to him that bombing planes and supplying the IRA with materials to kill others might be against some sort of law, too.


        • 135
          Polly Potty says:


          Gadaffi had essentially the same deal as Mussolini, in fact he had an easier ride at the end, and it was more than he deserved.

          There is nothing more glorious than to see a tyrant de-throned and his corpse humiliated in public.

          History does not decry the hanging of Mussolini by the people, and Gadaffi’s death will be deemed similar by all those other than a few on the raving left.


    • 61
      Another Engineer says:

      It was distasteful to us, living here in our oh-so liberal democracy where you can’t say boo to a goose for fear of being sued for infringing on its civil rights.

      You can’t apply our values in a country that has been brutally oppressed for 40 years.

      Life is sh*t and he made it significantly more sh*t for a lot of people.

      Human nature is what it is, and denying that leads you down lots of blind alleys.


    • 68
      Evil Landlord says:

      Tony Bliar will be relieved as the all the secret and dodgy money making dealings done in Libya will now never be exposed.


    • 72
      Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

      He like Saddam could never go on trial. These Men could have exposed the Truth of the intelligence services and that cant happen.


    • 85
      Anonymous says:

      Don’t be ridiculous. The Empire doesn’t bother with trials anymore.


  2. 2
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The Comrades have to stick together.

    (Balls dressed up as a Nazi.)


  3. 3
    Gordon Broooon says:

    Is this site now the Daily Mail fanclub?


    • 21
      RusbridgerFan says:

      No, but it’s only right that the professional and self-appointed rubbers-of-noses-in-the-dirt (ie commentators) get a dose of their own medicine from time to time, don’t you think?


    • 48
      Peter Grimes says:

      The editor of the Wail was rather fond of one John Gordon McDoomBrrooon, to the despair of his (many) sane colleagues!


  4. 6
    simon says:

    No surprise then that the Gadaffi regime was earnestly supported by Tony Blair. I wonder how long it will be before we see forces going after him to answer for his war crimes? Medhi Hasan is a joke. He’s just a daft Arab with a big gob who spouts pony who the ‘media’ have on to commentate on stuff due to the fact he’s a daft Arab with a big gob spouting pony. I bet he wouldn’t come out with any pony at all if he lived in the Middle East under one of those nice Arab regimes….


  5. 8
    Mehdi Hassan says:

    I’m an extremist


  6. 9
    GeoffM says:

    The Left must be breathing a sigh of relief that he has been murdered.

    Just imagine him singing like a canary in the Intl Court about the IRA, Lockerbie, funding to left wing organisations, oil, Brown, Blair…..oh, and the leftist British Establishment

    I guess he was NEVER going to get out alive.


    • 37
      nell says:

      No but I’m still hoping that saif might be found and turned over to the court – I think he probably has much more information to give us about libya’s links and money trails with the UK’s left not least his friendships with bliar mandy nate and the club.


  7. 10
    Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur says:

    The left often support extremely unpleasant extremists – look at Ken’s affinity for hard line Islamist preachers, the IRA and Hugo Chavez or the whole post-war history of the Labour Party toadying to the Soviet Union.

    Still though in their eyes the Tories are the nasty party.

    Stupid huhnes


  8. 11
    The Left says:

    He may have been a bastard, but he was OUR bastard.


  9. 13
    Sir William Waad says:

    I’m told that people who will be attending Gaddafi’s funeral include:

    Mehdi Hasan
    Anthony Charles Lynton Blair
    Gerry Adams
    Martin McGuiness
    Alex ‘Lockerbie’ Salmond
    Richard Seymour


  10. 14
    Dunlaggin says:

    Yes, but where is his favourite Son, Billy Gadaffi?


  11. 15
    Roland Rudd says:

    Get lost Guido you idiot.
    David Cameron is a one-term Prime Minister and you know it you tub of lard.
    Demand a referundum on the EU now or better still,a General Election.


    • 82
      CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

      Absolutely, the country can’t wait to elect Milliband instead!

      Why do lefties have such a slim grasp of reality!


  12. 16
    Mr Arse says:

    I’d like to thank the late Mr Gaddafi for cleaning my bookmarks, any news site which has snuff pictures on the front page can stick it’s advertising revenue up it’s arse. I like to be able to browse the ‘net freely without having to suddenly shut my fucking computer down because some twat of an editor decided to put 18 rated images up for any child to inadvertantly glance at…


    • 22
      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      You are London Muslim and i claim my free “Koran for homosexuals” guide.


    • 75
      HappyUK says:

      You got a point there. I had to reprimand my daughter for looking over my shoulder this morning, even though none of this Gaddafi stuff is her fault. Huhnes the lot of these editors, looking to make a fast sensationalist buck.


    • 110
      Grumpy Student says:

      There’s no harm in children seeing what we do to murdering, torturing left-wing dictators. It’s important to show kids that we stop monsters rather than cowering in the dark hoping to appease them into eating others.


    • 132
      Anonymous says:

      but you let them have an x boxy thingy and play grand theft auto, and go on farcebook etc?


    • 136
      Mr Elbow says:

      Grow up you big lefty gay twat.

      They used to show live footage from the Vietnam war in the old days, it would make a simpering whiny gay-boy like you shit your pants every night at 6pm.


  13. 17
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    He’ll be pretty strong by this morning !
    in that heat , positively putrid


  14. 18
    Sue says:

    They must be happy indeed. At least that means all the asylum seekers can go back to their homes now and rebuild their country!


    • 27
      Call me Infidel says:

      Yes and flying monkeys will soon emerge from your anus.


    • 62
      Mission Accomplished ? I doubt it !! says:

      You actually think Libya is any safer for Gaddafi’s demise…you’ve been listening to the propaganda again……the West has not the first idea you the hell they’ve helped into power….the NTC have no control over the militias….and the only thing that united them was their hatred of Gaddafi…..there’s now likely to be a battle for power….


      • 102
        Sue says:

        On the contrary. We got involved in a war which was none of our business. Tribal wars are exactly that, tribal and can only be resolved in the old fashioned way. The country is still in the middle ages and should be left to evolve in it’s own way.

        As for the asylum seeker comment… I doubt whether even one Libyan would be willing to give up their benefits to go back to their own country.

        There is now talk of Iran being next. Cameron is out of his tree if he thinks declaring war on “dynastic” countries achieves anything. But then again, this wasn’t about democracy, but oil.

        If Cameron was such an advocate of the democracy he insists he is spreading, we would not be part of the EU any longer!


  15. 19
    Call me Infidel says:

    When Chavez snuffs it shortly they will be inconsolable. Still on a positive note Yasser Arafat is still dead.


    • 71
      kleegish says:

      When Hugo Chavez buys the farm, his bosom friends Sean Penn and the Kennedy family will undoubtedly remind everyone how Hugo provided heating fuel to the poor in the US. Penn will also do a documentary about how George W. Bush, several years out of office, will still somehow be responsible.


    • 125
      9mm justice says:

      Oh Lord, the left’s heroes have a habit of being dead too soon. Still, the party faithful keep their exalted memories alive.

      T-Shirt of Che, sir, or mug with picture of Gaddafi to go with that Mao coaster and Pol Pot portrait? And yes, those Arafat tea-towels are lovely. Wipes up those embarrassing left-wing messes a treat.


  16. 24
    Understands what 'libertarian' means says:

    The spectacle of a ‘libertarian’ taking time off from his ‘bring back state-sanctioned murder/hanging’ campaign to a corporate, neo-liberal war is hilarious.


  17. 25
    Hava Nagila says:

    Given his support for the IRA and ridiculous facial hair, I’m a bit surprised Guido didn’t like the man more.


    • 40

      Support for the IRA? The voices in your head tell you that?


      • 123
        Hava Nagila says:

        Guido, you have repeatedly made sectarian statements on this blog. You have never pretended to have anything but hatred for non-Catholics nor to have any capacity for holding your co-religionists accountable for anything.

        On top of that, you have, on numerous occasions, repeated anti-British Irish Republican canards and have self-identified as an Irish nationalist. You also described yourself, on one memorable occasion, as a “fenian”, thus clearly expressing your support for Irish nationalist violence.

        Put it all together and I’m afraid I don’t see much to suggest that you’re anything but yet another mealy-mouthed Irish bigot (with the added disadvantage that you’re not actually Irish).

        If you don’t like people drawing these inferences from the things you say, perhaps you should be more careful in your choice of words. And perhaps you should leave your medieval religious bigotry and phony Oirishness at the door.


        • 126

          There is nothing wrong with being a patriot and loving your country. But trying to stretch this into support for the IRA is just bonkers and you need to look up the full meaning of “Fenian” in context, it is used pejoratively but, half in jest and half in fact, this Fenian doesn’t have a problem accepting the term.

          In my opinion a united Ireland is a noble aspiration, that isn’t the same as supporting the IRA.

          You seem to be someone who needs to get a sense of perspective, a sense of humour and a grip on reality.

          BTW If Guido isn’t Irish, what is he?


      • 124
        Hava Nagila says:

        And my reply is moderated because we can’t possibly allow someone to question Mr. Fawkes.

        Free speech? Not on this blog.


  18. 29
    Mick Hills says:

    No it is not how the real left think at all. Do not mistke support for Labour against right wing burglars and cheats who rob working class people and refuse to pay their taxes as also supporting monsters like Gaddafi. Idiotic stance to take,


  19. 31
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    My thought for the day…….


    • 86
      UK UNKUNT says:

      Fvck off back to Liebour list, you putrid piece of dog sh1t.
      Tell us why you scumbag Liebour friends do nothing about this for 13 years. go on sweetie, we’re waiting?


  20. 33
    Wreckless_Eric says:

    I saw Gaddaffi today sitting in a Mercedes Sedan next to Elvis


  21. 36
    Anonymous says:

    Gaddafi got off light. Shame the meedja thought it was all so distressing that the pictures had to be censored. When the liblabcons are arrested their torture and execution will be screened in full on live tv.


  22. 39
    Must get a pseudonym one day says:

    What’s the betting the fatal bullet could be traced to a weapon issued to ‘special forces’, rushed to the spot to make sure no unwanted trial revelations could occur ?


  23. 44
    Well it's something says:

    Gaddafi could have never been brought to trial, he hated his own people and they hated him, no HR laws in Libya he saw to that, right next dictator please , Camoron where are you hiding.


  24. 46
    Anonymous says:

    Agree it’s not great to see death being ‘hurrah’d’. But interesting to hear that Gadaffi begged for mercy. I wonder how many times he or his henchmen ignored such desperate pleas over 40 years. But agree…he should have gone on trial, would have been nice to see him humiliated in the dock, and a prison cell. And as for the lefties…what more would you expect!


  25. 49
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


  26. 50
    Richards in Vancouver says:

    Before the excitable folks on the left, the right, or in the centre expend valuable energy waving their hands around concerning Ghaddafi’s death, let’s first find out how he died and, if possible, whodunnit. We might not ever be favoured with this information.

    Reading hither and also thither, the prevailing opinion seems to be that he is, in fact, dead. After that, stories differ.
    1. He was wounded by insurgent forces in both legs, was captured and shot in the head.
    2. He was wounded by insurgent forces in both legs and was shot in the head by his own party to avoid his capture alive.
    3. Only two wounds on his body: chest and head. No attribution.
    4. He was wounded by a NATO airstrike, crawled up a drainpipe and shot himself with a gold-plated sidearm.
    5. There’s yet another report involving his live capture, leg wounds optional, but including his last words: “Don’t shoot! Don’t awk!”

    There may be even more stories out there. There might even be some controversy concerning his present whereabouts: either with the 72 virgins, or 72 white grapes (seriously!), or….elsewhere.

    I vote for elsewhere.


    • 56
      Well it's something says:

      Let’s move on nothing to see here, now Camoron and his ordering blue labour MP’s to vote NO on Monday that’s more important, remember MPs we are watching you especially on Monday .


    • 77
      Sir Barrington Minge says:

      Thought!….nothing says the 72 virgins have to be human…dogs would be good, Mooslims don’t like dogs.


  27. 56
    Percy Bighampton says:

    Not surprising that mob justice takes over-people in the UK shouldn’t be so holier than though about what goes on after dictators fall in places like Libya. We are not immune-remember the fate of poor P C Blakelock-beheaded by a howling mob of neanderthals in Tottenham!


    • 70
      jabbathecat says:

      That should be ‘howling mob of black neanderthals’…


      • 106
        Joe the Plumber says:

        That is outrageously racist. There were no black Neanderthals EVER. The nearest that you could get is “howling mob of chimpanzees”.


        • 115
          One for the pot says:

          Hoho! According to Nat Geo Channel all “human” life apparently started in Kenya where, let’s face it, the vast majority of the natives are of a darker hue.


  28. 63
    nell says:

    Well whatever he’s dead and gone.

    At least his ukrainian nurse that fled to Denmark to hide at the beginning of the uprising can now write her book about her insider knowledge of the gaddafi family and make herself loadsamoney.


  29. 67
    jabbathecat says:

    No doubt Johann Hari will be doing a Gaddafi live interview just after the funeral?


  30. 81
    pissed off voter says:

    Cameron’s message to the people – ‘go f*ck yourselves’


  31. 88
    Nothing to declare says:

    It wasn’t Gaddafi. It was my cousin Roland. It wasn’t Libya, either. The whole thing was staged in the church hall in our village. It’s where we staged the moon landings, too.


  32. 91
    Torquemada says:

    An authentic public enquiry is needed to investigate and lay bare the entire fine detail of Tony Blair’s involvement with Muʿammar al-Qaḏḏāfī.


    • 116
      One for the pot says:

      Good idea, but no good asking Senor Bliar to attend – he’ll only say he’s never heard of the place.

      PS: When’s that Chilcot report due?


  33. 94
    Desperate Dan says:

    The agitprop wing of the BBC and Labour lawyers are devastated by the sudden loss of income. They were looking forward to years and years of living in the lap of luxury in The Hague and then more years and years of defending his right to a council house, multiple benefits and British citizenship.


    • 104
      The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

      Nope, they’re all at Dale Farm including the lugubrious “Fergal” spouting his usual gloomy cobblers.

      Fergal! pay attention! What they did is illegal, the law of the land is written by our elected representatives and applies to all! Democracy should not be selective!


  34. 96
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    What did anyone expect from a man with the internet moniker “Leninology”? He sure won’t be partying like it’s 1917.


  35. 103
    Airey Belvoir says:

    I would like to thank a fellow-poster on another thread here for making me laugh out loud with his comment that:

    “We should not be too hard on Gaddafi for agreeing to meet Gordon Brown. Politics can be a dirty business sometimes.”


  36. 107
    Penfold says:

    Mehdi Hasan might have different viewpoints if his column and freedom to write and speak were limited or curtailed.

    As ever the left believe only they have the right to, criticise, punditry and write freely.

    Perhaps we should have a nationalist government and then mMedhi and his ilk will learn some basic truths about democracy.

    No one should lament the demise of a dictator, whether it’s Stalin, Mao, Ho, Idi, Mobutu et al.


  37. 108
    Sparticus says:

    I shot Gaddafi….no.I shot Gaddafi…..no it was me I shot Gaddafi….X 5 million others…….This should make for great viewing at the trial of those accused of killing a ‘Prisoner’.


  38. 109
    John Bellingham says:

    The world will miss a great statesman.
    He was a Queen’s Scout and continued his involvement in the World Scouting movement.
    He wrote science fiction stories.
    He was a great philanthropist, funding such diverse groups as The London School of Economics, Sinn Fein and the African National Congress.
    He has always supported Robert Mugabe, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Hugo Chavez and Martin McGuinness.
    His ablilty to stay in power despite being clinically insane gave heart to many members of the British Labour Party and most African leaders.
    He gave thousands of Libyans the opportunity to live in other countries.
    He was a far more pleasant and reasonable man than any Scotsman or London parking attendant.


  39. 117
    Desperate Dan says:

    BBC Script for 6 o’clock news:
    Our friend Gadaffi is dead. His death is an utter tragedy and David Cameron and Nato should be tried as war criminals for allowing harm to come to this great man. Our grief for our great hero does not diminish our anger at his brutal death. The British Human Rights industry must get stuck in immediately (the British taxpayer will pay) to prosecute those responsible. The Libyan people, like the British people, are entirely misguided in not sharing our point of view. The BBC must take over Libyan broadcasting as soon as possible to tell Libyans what to think. British Charities must open offices in Tripoli to show the Libyan people how to be self-pitying and dependent on the state. Health and Safety Executives must move to Tripoli to tell the libyan people how not to hurt themselves. Libyans are far too happy. We must show them how to be miserable and depressed; we must show them the financial benefits of mental illness.


  40. 127
    Kered Ybretsae says:

    All the Leftie gang will be out in sackcloth and ashes. Wailing and howling about Human Rights and Capitalist Imperialist Peegs. Some of his chums in the Labour Party and IRA will miss him. But on the other hand, everyone knew what was going on with him in power….but now and the future a huge question mark???????


  41. 130
    Jack the nipper says:

    I have it on good authority that Gadaffi was shot by an Ohio Sheriff who mistook him for the “missing monkey”.


  42. 134
    Tony Benn says:

    We have lost one of the world’s great socialists.


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