October 20th, 2011

The Rebel Alliance

It only took twenty-five rebels to derail Major’s government and already nearly triple that number of Tory MPs have agreed to support an EU referendum when it is debated in the House on  Monday. Add to that the fifty-seven Liberal Democrat MPs who stood on a pledge to have an In/Out debate. They don’t have a track record of selling out on promises, do they?

Already Dave and co are sweating, and that’s before the growing number of Euro-sceptic union backed Labour MPs are taken into account. Tory careerist types shouldn’t worry too much about toadying – as has been said elsewhere, the leader of the Maastricht rebels ended up becoming the Tory leader. What might get you a pat on the head and a chocolate button from Osborne in the short term, will cost you in the long run...

UPDATE: The LibDems sell out, the news is breaking that they will be three lined whip against the referendum. Have a look at what Clegg said it 2008:

“Nobody in this country under the age of 51 has ever been asked that simple question. That includes half of all MPs. We’ve been signed up to Europe by default: two generations who have never had their say.”

Why’s that Nick?


  1. 1

    David Cameron fights back – an open letter to the people about The Referendum – http://futurehistoryofgreatbritain.blogspot.com/

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    This is our chance, if not now, when?

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    Tuscan Tony says:

    One hopes their consciences rise above their need for pensions and perks. Not holding my breath though.

    Sorry Billy.

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    Tuscan Tony says:

    Jeez, shouldn’t have bothered typing that apology.

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    The Sheikh Of Arabeee says:

    Give us a referendum Cameron. If you don’t you can fuck off and I will never vote Tory again.

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    Anonymous says:

    Never make promises you can’t keep.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    As some famous once said:

    “Save us Guido Fawkes, you are our only hope”

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    Sir William Waad says:

    The difficulty is framing a referendum question in such a way that the Europhiles can ignore it if they get the ‘wrong’ answer, but treat it as a ringing endorsement of a federal Europe if they get the ‘right’ answer.

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    Hang The Bastards says:

    Three line whip = Cameron political suicide.

    This useless tvvat has lost the public on this big time. Game over.

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    Tube_Thumper says:

    no they didnt

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    nell says:

    grassroots campaign anyone?

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    Call me Infidel says:

    Goodbye iDave. Maybe you can join the Liberals?

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    Anonymous says:

    We’re behind you Billy!!

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    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Commeth the hour, commeth the man.

    But who will it be?

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    Steve Miliband says:

    The EU is going to implode all by itself

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    heinz says:

    “fifty-seven Liberal Democrat MPs”

    – So many varieties but predominantly all wind and water.

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    Scratch a libertarian, find a right-wing statist says:

    “the leader of the Maastricht rebels ended up becoming the Tory leader”

    And once he got there, weirder than Weird Ed did he turn out to be. Drove the Tories even faster into the wall.

    Not an inspirational example, to be honest.

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    Oy Vey says:

    Anyone know what it would cost to pull out of the EU yet?

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    The Stilton Eater says:

    The EU is a waste but I can’t help feel these Tory MPs are putting their foot on the accelerator when driving straight towards a brick wall.

    You don’t get entry to the Single Market without having to adopt labour rules that the French like or German consumer protections.

    Thinking otherwise is deluded and shows how these MPs want a vote on a subject they don’t understand.

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    Anonymous says:

    I thought he was a fuckin liberal!

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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Make sure that the Foreign Aid Budget is not affected then we can all get a kick back into our Swiss Bank Accounts from the Military equipment that we make them Buy with the Tax Payers money. He He
    Dont Worry about Europe its F–ked. We dont have to join it or not join it as its falling to pieces.

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    jgm2 says:

    Labour will do the maximum to keep this running. They know the T*ries are vulnerable to accusations of ‘disunity’ over Europe and thereby ‘splits in the government’ etc etc.

    If there are genuinely 50 rebel T*ry MPs then Labour could really put the cat amongst the pigeons if they voted form a referendum. They might not even need the Lib Dems.

    Paradoxically though Cameron might welcome the distraction of all this EU nonsense. While Labour are gleefully rubbing their hands over a T*ry ‘split’ he will know that most likely nothing will come of any referendum and, in the meantime, he’s not under fire over 5% inflation or Liam Fox.

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    tommy5dollar says:

    Well, there is going to be an in/out debate so the Lib Dems have kept their promise? Or do you mean they promised a referendum? They did promise a referendum but only on the next treaty change and that’s now enshrined in law.

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    Anonymous says:

    Trade will not be affected as 93% trade between UK and EU are covered by WTO agreements. I support EU but we need a public mandate to be in EU. At the moment UK public hasn’t given a mandate to be in EU.

    Cameron hasn’t got a mandate to what he is doing same as EU, I support democracy so I support a vote on EU. It doesn’t matter who win democracy should come first.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    ToryBoy says:

    I ultimately want out of any European political union but now would be the worst moment to have referendum/pull out. If the markets sense that the EU is breaking up and co-operation is breaking down, that countries are becoming isolationist well the whole deck of cards will fall. Fatal.

    Even the government loosimg the vote would be enough to send markets into freefall!

    Fuckwits the lot of them.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Politics. Who’d have thunk it.

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    jgm2 says:

    The ‘referendum’ if allowed will be of the form:

    A) Keep things as they are

    B) Authorize Parliament to negotiate with EU for withdrawal.

    So, even if we vote B) then Parliament will simply send a letter to the EU – ‘Please Sir, can we leave the EU?’

    Back will come a letter from Von Rumpy. ‘No. Keep sending the cheques’.

    Negotiations concluded. Referendum mandate honoured. Everybody happy.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    U_turn Dave. One more won’t harm you.

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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    What a bunch of uneducated Wa-kers. How can France, Germany, UK, Borrow more money? They are already up to the max. Then they are going to lend it to Greece, ha ha. They cant fix this problem, as they are the Problem. Self Serving Fraudster Class. Direct from Eton Rugby Malborough playing fields. Any one for setting up another Qunago or Charity?

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    Hal9001 says:

    Sorry Dave, I cannot allow you to do that.

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    Dave addresses his people says:

    Tayer folk fun yisroyl.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    what worse tho, is that if Dave said, ok, you can have a vote/referendum next summer he would get a 10-15 point rise in the polls.

    He is starting to remind me of his predesser.

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    Anonymous says:

    Cameron gave a vote on AV so why not on EU?

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    PK says:

    from my MP

    Dear Mr K,
    Thanks for writing.
    I don’t know whether or not the reports of a three line whip are true. I hope not. It should certainly be a free vote, for any number of reasons. But regardless, a three line whip would make no difference to where I stand on this issue. I will be voting for a referendum, and will be encouraging colleagues to do the same.

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    ed milimong says:

    We should think theriouthly about a referendum and the conthequenthes that it might prethent for future Thocialitht job offerth.

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    Dave addressing the British people says:

    Shtupn avek!

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    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    Lets not forget Global Warming. Rebranded Climate Change. Greatest Scam every apart from Feminism.

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    jgm2 says:

    Sthow a lithle humilithy.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Desperate Dan says:

    The MPs who want out of Europe are probably receiving backhanders from the same dodgy foreign businessmen who were so generous to Fox & Werrity. Europe is weaker without us and it suits them better to have a weak Europe and a pliant lickspittle UK. Last time we were broken by George Soros. This time they’ve just paid a bunch of corrupt MPs.

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    Chris Hoon says:

    FibDems sell out. Shock !! Horror !!! Hold the front page !!!!

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    Spartacus says:

    Because it is spelt differently

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Bobby Mugabe says:

    I’ve lobbied my MP. She only got her seat by 5000 votes, of which I was one of the new votes that swung it for her.

    I’ve guaranteed her that she’ll be down to 4999 majority if she doesn’t vote for an EU referendum.

    Lobby your MP on the EU vote pronto http://www.theyworkforyou.com/
    And and don’t let them take you for granted.

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    Anonymous says:

    Coming out of EU might solve the immigration, housing and unemployment problems we have in UK as long as we end up cutting dole payments.

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    Truthteller says:

    It’ll be cheaper than staying in.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Guido on the BBC. What next??

    Paul Staines, who blogs under the name of Guido Fawkes, said he finds it ironic that anti-capitalist, anti-corporation activists are inadvertently supporting Warner Bros – one of America’s 100 biggest companies with profits last year of £1.6bn – by buying the masks.

    He thinks the widespread use of the mask “signifies a loss of trust in politics – Guy Fawkes is the most anti-political figure you can pick”.


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    jgm2 says:

    Libya. FFS.

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    Steve Miliband says:

    Because the LD’s said so

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Guid0 on the BBC. What next??

    Pa ul Sta ines, who blogs under the name of Gu do Fa wkes, said he finds it ironic that anti-capitalist, anti-corporation activists are inadvertently supporting Warner Bros – one of America’s 100 biggest companies with profits last year of £1.6bn – by buying the masks.

    He thinks the widespread use of the mask “signifies a loss of trust in politics – Gu y Fa wkes is the most anti-political figure you can pick”.


    Previously modded.. Even G’s own comment!!

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    Not surprised says:

    Tell me how any of the 3 party leaders are qualified to do what they do? Apart from toadying and brown nosing their way up the greasy pole, how can they be truly said to be “leaders?”

    We paid for Cameron’s house – a referendum is the least he can do!

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    Spartacus says:

    I presume you mean how much would the unelected bureaucrats lose?
    Answer – loadsamunny. My money and your money.

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    Well it's something says:

    Still have to say it to all MPs , you say NO we will say NO , you only have the BBC and the MSM , we have the internet and when the time comes to vote for you to get back to troughing , we will use it against you, simple, you work for us not the leader of your party, remember your only voting to allow the people of this country a referendum, as you have no consience in what you do you don’t need to solve it.

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    Spartacus says:

    Sooner the better and get it out of the way so we can all get on with our lives (without the common market – as is).

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    Desperate Dan says:

    And my MP will lose my vote if he votes FOR a referendum. I’d rather be a grown-up country in Europe than a poodle to the US.

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    Dudley Zoo says:

    I like German sausage, French cheese and have Italian made biscotti every morning but that does not mean I want to be governed by faceless authoritarian Euronazis

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    Mr. Putin's Stolen Cat says:

    We’ve got ’til Monday …

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    Spartacus says:

    now it is called the nato-rebel alliance. the clinton witch will crown the new leader before xmas.

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    Democracy begins at home says:

    Never keep promises you didn’t make.

    Why is Cameron so beholden to the Brussels machine?

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    yawn says:

    Fuck off.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    I would rather have 5 more years of a Labour government ( and leave the EU) than have 50 years of EU dictatership and have 50 years of Tory government .

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    jgm2 says:

    It’s not a binary choice like that.

    We can be a grown-up independent country.

    We struggled by for several hundred years on our own. I can’t believe we’ve suddenly become utterly helpless despite the Maximum Imbeciles economic catastrophe.

  64. 64
    China Investment Corporation says:

    ”People need to work a bit harder, they need to work a bit longer, and they should be more innovative. We [the Chinese] work like crazy,” .

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    RED ED - SON OF BROWN says:

    I didn’t have to toady too much ( OK, I did have to Brown nose a lot ) but mainly I just got on by being a Union placeman.

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    Stinkfinger says:

    What are the Europhiles scared of?If the Euro project is so good then they should be confident of a resounding YES vote to stay in from the public.

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    8on says:

    It was rather boring the first time.

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    Benny Fitz-Clements says:

    Fuck off !! The Liebour party will keep me fed and watered. No need to worry about work Innit.

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    not again! says:

    I would rather you shut the fuck up spamming.

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    Anonymous says:

    I am surprised Clegg has to put a three line wipe on LD on EU. If we are out of EU can Clegg still become a EU Commissioner?

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    Microsoft Word Spell Check Tool says:

    Predecessor, Billy, predecessor

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    Anonymous says:

    I was not aware that anyone under 50 had been asked their views on a great many things let alone Europe. What about hanging, welfare state excesses, local democracy,planning. In otherwords if you live in a so called democratic system many things like expropriation of property in the form of taxation are given and supported by the establishment asnd state broadcaster

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    Nuke Brussels & Strasbourg says:

    Cameron you bastard, give us a referendum.

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    Democracy begins at home says:

    I think they thought it, but they aren’t famous

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    Nuke Brussels & Strasbourg says:

    Give us a referendum Cameron.

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    ToryBoy says:

    Sorry do you not get as far as the economies/buisness pages in the paper! Do you know what’s happening right now?

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    Nuke Brussels & Strasbourg says:

    Referendum now Cameron.

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    Anonymous says:

    No they won’t be.

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    Ed Balls, Shallow Chancer says:

    Five more years of Liebour ‘government’ would mean we would have a rising deficit and record National Debt. Interest rates would rocket and Greece would probably have to lend us some New Drachmas.

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    Sniffy the Sniffer dog says:

    halitosis and bile

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    Bobby Mugabe says:

    Billy has way more to contribute that your pointless bile.

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    jgm2 says:

    The Greeks are increasingly on TV spitting their dummy out of the national pram whining about austerity and cuts and shit of that ilk. They seem to think that the world should just keep giving them printed money to keep them all in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Just like those pricks occupying St Pauls and goaded on by the wicked and malicious Labour party.

    There is no easy solution. And if these pricks are allowed to multiply in their fuckwittery and tap into the rich seam of idiocy that is the ‘safe’ Labour vote then the whole fucking deck of cards is well on its way to failing anyway.

    I mean just look at the stupid c*unts. Listen to what they’re demanding. No thought at all to where the money for this is going to come from. ‘The Rich’. The stupid c*unts seem to think that if you simply took all the ‘rich’ peoples money and divided it out then everybody would instantly be happy forever. They really are that fucking stupid.

    And we have to live with them.

    They are fortunate that stupidity isn’t a crime because they’re that fucking thick they’d be inside for life.

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    Nuke Brussels & Strasbourg says:

    No referendum, no more Tory Government.

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    Anonymous says:

    Is Labour going to give a free vote to its MPs?

    It will be nice know IDS’s view on this as well as other anti EU ministers in government?

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    Nuke Brussels & Strasbourg says:

    Agreed, referendum now.

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    Desperate Dan says:

    The 100% unanimity of the anti-Europe/anti-Cameron hatefest on Conservative Home is positively Stalinist. These Eurosceptics don’t go in for democracy or free expression when it doesn’t suit their purposes.

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    jgm2 says:

    Yes. We’re working through the endgame of EU fuckwittery and Brown fuckwittery.

    It’s fucked. We might as well go out with a bang.

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    chicken says:

    Just bollocks.

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    jgm2 says:

    I think you’ll find the Eurosceptics are the ones begging for democracy.

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    Nuke Brussels & Strasbourg says:

    Be patriotic, slap a Euro supporter with a fish!

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    Anonymous says:

    ” Here comes Everybody”

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    Is’nt there some old fashioned constitutional theory that when a PM is opposed by the majority of his country, does not enjoy the support of his party membership and only gets his way by dazzling his MPs with Baubles and sinecures, that in such a situation any half decent PM would do the decent thing and just Fuck Off!!

    Major leadership challenge needed now!! .

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    Sniffy the Sniffer Dog on the Paris Eurostar says:

    Most people don’t worry about that as much as you might think. The avergare joe wants employment protection and consumer laws that adress the rip-off culture.

    They worry more about rampant immigration driving down wages, the troughing, subsidies to mafioso farmers and deeply corrupt construction cartels and the excuse the EU gives to craven authoritarians in our own country to hide behind Brussels when they want to scrw their fellow countrymen. Get rid of the excuses and we might get our borders and maybe even our democracy back – and could even save a few bob.

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    Polythesis says:

    So where are we at then? All three leaders promised a referendum and all three have broken that promise. All three leaders espouse the same policy stance on the EU with all three wholly in agreement that the UK should be dismantled and forced into a united states of Europe and more importantly that the choice is their alone to make. The British people are not invited into the debate?

    Do we live in a democracy or in fact are we now effectively ruled by a tripartite dictatorship that banks on the fact that most people will continue to vote for the big three, in effect meaning that the three can rule in perpetuity. We are seeing the true face of Cameron, it can no longer be pretended he is not a pathetic eurotrash stooge.

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    According to the EU Dictionary

    No: A word of little significance which is completely devoid of legal definition.

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    jgm2 says:

    Yep. There will never be a ‘right’ time. There will always be some excuse.

    We might as well pull the plug now and get it finished with.

    The sooner it all falls in a heap the sooner we can rebuild instead of this slow economic death bequeathed by the Maximum Imbecile.

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    My name is Bollox says:

    And no protein

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    Sniffy the Sniffer Dog on the Paris Eurostar says:

    smell of sour grapes

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    All we can do now is vote for UKIP and pray they are actually telling the truth!

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    The Cabinet Secretary says:

    Err, the Swiss and the Norwegians seem to comply with the relevant edicts.

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    Sniffy the Sniffer Dog on the Paris Eurostar says:

    whiff of hypocracy

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    Well it's something says:

    Done thanks.

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    Hang The Bastards says:


    known tvvats denying us our EU Referendum.

    Tom Blenkinsop (Lab). Spineless chite

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    Steve Miliband says:

    And we would still be Europe

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    jgm2 says:

    We are seeing the true face of Cameron, it can no longer be pretended he is not a pathetic eurotrash stooge

    Indeed. I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt – after all the T*ries were the only ones who kept to their manifesto pledge to offer a vote on the Lisbon Treaty in 2005 (was it?). Both Labour and LibDems reneged using c*unt-sp*eak excuses about it no longer being a ‘Treaty’ or somesuch bollocks to duck their manifesto pledge.

    But here is a golden opportunity for Cameron to make good and if he ducks out then he is just a c*unt of the same ilk as Brown.

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    My name is Bollox says:

    There are more countries in the Commonwealth than the EUSSR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    IT Consultant says:

    the biscotti are over-rated, but I do like left over pizza

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    Desperate Dan says:

    Thank you LibDems. Tories need someone to vote for as an alternative to the UKIP members who’ve infiltrated the Conserative Party.

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    The Leicester Oilfield says:

    Vaz agrees to a referendum. He loves a good election expense.

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    The Cabinet Secretary says:

    ToryTosser, ” …..economies/buiness pages” [sic], lol. Another clown has escaped from the circus.

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    eh? says:

    “bile” You sound like a Labour twat. How about some “hate” as well for good measure?

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    My name is Bollox says:

    But you cant beat a nice peice of NZ lamb or Aussi snags on the BBQ

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    For what it's worth says:

    Have the Swiss joined the EU? When??

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    Crikey says:

    No one hates democracy more than Clegg and the LibDems. Yet they somehow try to make love of democracy one of their main selling points. Hows that for cynicism?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Can i just say on my behalf the debate is about whether there should be a referendum not what way anyone should vote.

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    Well it's something says:

    Well according to the BBC news a few weeks ago the party that can’t be mentioned here are a far right party, so if they are we have another party people on the right can vote for, I always thought they were more left than Liebour, just shows what I don’t know and the BBC do.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    This is what Sir Humphrey Appleby called the ‘Law of Ripeness’ – “We’d love to do it, old chap, but the time really isn’t ripe.” Others would call it ‘negation by delay’. I think the best time to leave a ship is when it is sinking.

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    jgm2 says:

    Labour lost a lot of votes to the B&P. So they’re trying to win them back by tying their leader up in court thus diverting their limited funds and resources away from active campaigning and claiming that the B&P is ‘right wing’ ie like the T*ries.

    Tying them up in court certainly worked though.

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    ethnic cleansing on the way says:

    If you’re English,over fifty and have a spare bedroom, they want to kick you out of your house so they can put foreign freeloaders in it:


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    Anonymous says:

    cameron not worried about committing political suicide, he is next on the list as president of the EU. or at the very least a commisioner, so is that great eurosceptic Hague

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    jgm2 says:

    The best time to leave was to take one look at the fucking rusting hulk from the dock-side and refuse to board the fucking thing in the first place.

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    A two-toed sloth says:

    “Sloth to blame for crisis”


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    Desperate Dan says:

    If a foreign businessman or his agent offered me a large sum of money to buy my vote I can assure you that unlike the “rebels” I’d tell them its not for sale.

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    cheche says:

    My MP isnt on the list so Ive just dropped him an e mail. Suggest everyone does the same. Probably he’ll ignore it but I feel better.

    Also Labour isnt as united as Milliboy likes to think on Europe. MP’s who are in touch with their voters rather than part of the Hampstead elite know the score. Theres lots of Labour MPs with slim majorities and fat waist lines who know how they have to vote to keep themselves in the standard to which they have been grown accustomed

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    Freedom for Europe says:

    No, it needs some help. The UK is part of the EU and as such it is beholden on us all to give the rotten edifice a damned good kicking from the inside.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    “he would get a 10-15 point rise in the polls”

    Pure fantasy, the floating vote don’t give a crap about an EU referendum. That is why no government will support it, because they don’t have to.

    Most likely, the way polling is controlled by anti-tory narrative, the pollsters would probably drop the Conservatives down. But of course, polls have bugger-all to do with elections.

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    ted says:

    This is Jowell’s mob who want to force the British from their own homes and replace them with newcomers http://www.if.org.uk/

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    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Why do we have so many MPs if they are not allowed to vote independently, cut the number ASAP.

    No right minded person could believe a word Clegg says. If everyone waited for the gates of Westminster to be closed while he cleans up politics the government would come to a grinding halt. Then there was his tuition fee photo opportunity with his cast iron promise to abolish fees in a parliament. It would take that long because of the economic crisis. No doubt left in anyones mind it was going to abolished and he was going to resist any effort from any party to raise fees- well…… a bit deluded wasn’t he. Look up Wikipedia to see some more of his views. Wipe Lie Dumbs of the political map you cannot trust them. Look at how many Lie Dumb MPs have acted improperly and Clegg has done absolutely nothing. Laws not referred to the police to be investigated for false accounting, shagger Huhne saga continues, shagger Handcock, etc etc. Alexander wants 2,000 more tax collectors while he flips his home to avoid tax!! Ming Campbell has his second home decorated by an interior designer, gets a handful of cash from the Dolphin Square scam and he thinks the public should take him seriously. Meanwhile shagger Ashdown wants to be seen as a statesmen when like Handcock he can’t keep it in his trousers. Clearly paid too much and have too much time on their hands.

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    Freedom for Europe says:

    Pay them off in post dated euro-cheques

  132. 132
    Anonymous says:

    cameron hague traitors

    vote ukip

  133. 133
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Write to your MPs asking for a free vote and request they give the public the referendum they want.

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    Keep it up says:

    A good day for Sammy Wilson MP.
    He cut that stupid girl Caroline Flint down to size during her dumb rant in the Energy debate with a question about renewables, then he signs the referendum motion.

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    Selohesra says:

    Just be careful Billy is not behind you :)

  136. 136
    Northern Lad says:

    We need a referendum and I hope the outcome of the referendum is:

    Cameron forced to re-negotiate our terms of membership

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    The Honourable Member says:

    Me neither. Not if they paid in Euros. I might take Swiss Francs though.

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    Selohesra says:

    Commeth the hour – I don’t usually last 5 minutes

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    Anonymous says:


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    Anonymous says:

    guido can you publish or give us a link once the vote has been taken so we can see how our mps voted? or can any one give a link on here after to see how the votes were recorded?

    democracy in action unlike the h of c

    cameron hague traitors

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    Sir William Waad says:

    French cheese? I Camembert it.

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    Democracy begins at home says:

    Yes, we have had soooo much democracy from the EU over the years.

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    Anonymous says:

    Former EU Commissioners still paid years after leaving


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    Democracy begins at home says:

    What do you mean ‘if’? He has already renaged and he is trying to reinforce that betrayal as we watch.

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    Desperate Dan says:

    Anti-Europe MPs are talking about “what the people want” all of a sudden to bolster their pathetic argument.

    Don’t anyone run away with the idea that they’re taking any notice of what the public want all of a sudden. They didn’t care what the people wanted when they were nodding through mass immigration, the Human Rights straitjacket, the Iraq War, MPs’ employment conditions, public financial support for Pilgrims, laisse faire sentencing….

    This is just a temporary caring about “what people want” brought on by inconvenient necessity.

  147. 147
    Engineer says:

    This may be one of those situations when both rebels and government are to some extent right.

    Government is probably correct in it’s assessment that if the UK suddenly exits the EU, it could seriously destabilise the political situation in Europe. They already have a collapsing currency and consequent major political problems; adding to them now may have disasterous consequences.

    However, the rebels are quite right to say that there is considerable disquiet about EU membership among the public, many of whom feel that Britain’s future would be better out of the EU, and even more of whom would just like a say, one way or another.

    The best outcome might be a compromise – the government allows the rebels to make their point (because it clearly has public support) but also make clear their assessment of how the EU crisis might play out, and why Britain should hold firm for now. That would have the advantage of sending an early warning to Brussels that they should plan for a British withdrawal sometime in the next decade – much better if it’s planned for and not a shock, as the current crisis of the Euro collapsing should teach them.

    The rebels should stand firm. The government should be honest with us. Brussels should receive an early warning. Some time during this parliament, the public should have a referendum on EU membership. But don’t do things too fast.

  148. 148
    Anonymous says:

    vat and more goes up to pay more money into a busted europe.

    supported by those well know eurosceptics


  149. 149
    jgm2 says:

    The Greeks are increasingly on TV spitting their dummy out of the national pram whining about austerity and cuts and shit of that ilk. They seem to think that the world should just keep giving them printed money to keep them all in the manner to which they have become accustomed. Just like those pricks occupying St P*a*u*ls and goaded on by the wicked and malicious Labour party.

    There is no easy solution. And if these pricks are allowed to multiply in their fuckwittery and tap into the rich seam of idiocy that is the ‘safe’ Labour vote then the whole fucking deck of cards is well on its way to failing anyway.

    I mean just look at the stupid c*unts. Listen to what they’re demanding. No thought at all to where the money for this is going to come from. ‘The Rich’. The stupid c*unts seem to think that if you simply took all the ‘rich’ peoples money and divided it out then everybody would instantly be happy forever. They really are that fucking stupid.

    And we have to live with them.

    They are fortunate that stupidity isn’t a crime because they’re that fucking thick they’d be inside for life.

  150. 150
    jgm2 says:

    Thankyou for the correction.

    You are quite correct.

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    Ah! Monika says:

    HEATH at the top of the list, please

  152. 152
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    ”Already Dave and co are sweating, and that’s before the growing number of Euro-sceptic union backed Labour MPs are taken into account. ”

    Where you pissed up when you wrote that Guido?

    Since when has the left wing ever been against bigger government and aren’t these the same unions bringing in cheaper EU labour on one hand to temp on min wages while their too expensive perm contract brother comrades are being sacked on the other.

  154. 154
    Bill Cash says:

    Nice work,Guido.
    The Bruges Group are proud of you,keep up the good fight.

  155. 155
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    15 junior mins are threating to rebel and some whips.

  156. 156
    Keep it up says:

    why?..he’d negotiate a shit deal

  157. 157
    BillyBob... says:

    To be fair, it is just the over 60’s ! As if………

  158. 158
    Anonymous says:

    Bare faced liars or just the lowest form of nimal life.Time for a vote and sod dave!

  159. 159
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The left of the left are euro sceptic, hey were part of the 30 odd Labour Mps that did keep thier promise on Lisbon treaty.

  160. 160
    BillyBob... says:

    Send the buggers back…… plenty of room then :)

  161. 161
    jgm2 says:

    ‘What the people want’ is just the snaggle-toothed cousin of that old Labour favourite ‘Look, what people want to know is……’

    At least the T*ry rebels are (probably) genuine Euro sceptics. The Labour ones, being Labour MPs, haven’t an original thought in their heads so their ‘What the people want..’ may well be self-preservation amongst their local electorate.

  162. 162
    Roma to spare, meester? says:

    We deserving all you tax-payer monies. We earn hard you benefittings.

  163. 163
    Steve Miliband says:


    Totally agreed.

  164. 164
    Arthur Bent says:

    Read this – they are telling us the uncomfortable truth


  165. 165
    We the People says:

    Thanks for the update Sammy.

  166. 166
    Anonymous says:

    remember when the next elections comes, how your mp voted.

    the heir to blair will pay a price for his deception

  167. 167
    Socialists are more intelligent and compassionate than Tories. says:

    Tory Hunt!

  168. 168
    BillyBob... says:

    Early vote ?? A very naughty ploy to stop discussion and debate on the matter…. no change there then !!

    Send the buggers back !

  169. 169
    NO says:

    The UK needs to do what is the best for the UK and its money.
    Giving it to the EU to waste isnt the way to go.
    The public are sick to the back fucking teeth of paying through the nose for everything, seeing its standards of living decreasing because of an influx of ‘Europeans’ and foreigners it simply doesnt want here because it changes the fabric of our towns and cities in a way we arent comfortable with.
    Enough of the wishy washy words.
    Give us the referendum

  170. 170
    Lev says:

    The Lib-Dem manifesto promise was that we would hold a referendum *only* when a new proposal to change the treaties to pass more power to Brussels occurred.

    This is our line in detail:

    “We should try to deliver the sort of Europe people want, but keeping in mind that we now have, for the first time (under the EU Act 2011), a proper guarantee that the British public will get a referendum vote on any proposal to change the Treaties to pass power from Westminster to Brussels.

    One of the reasons why people feel let down by past treaties is that they feel that powers of belonging to the British people were passed to Europe without their being asked in the first place. We think that is wrong and that is why we now have a referendum lock in place, which is a big breakthrough.

    Our last manifesto stated: “Liberal Democrats… remain committed to an in/out referendum the next time a British government signs up for fundamental change in the relationship between the UK and the EU.”

    At present, there is no such ‘fundamental change’ (like Maastricht or Lisbon) in the relationship between the UK and the EU on the table.”

  171. 171
    We the People says:

    Its a sad day when in the Parliament of our nation, someone threatening to side with the idea of the British people being given a voice on a matter of national importance is called a ‘rebel’. It is Cameron who is the rebel.

  172. 172
    jgm2 says:

    Naaah. Look on it as taking off a sticking plaster.

  173. 173
    Cameron is a Cunt says:

    I presume MP Mark Harper will, once again, line up behind Cameron , kiss his arse and vote to deny his constituents a vote on Europe. Mr Harper is famous for ignoring his constituents and doing what Dave wants. He is locked away in the Cabinet Office all the time trying to work out how politicians can be more accommodating towards their constituents FFS!!!!! IGNORING THEM IS NOT THE ANSWER

  174. 174
    Steve Miliband says:

    Ed milliband set to announce he’ll impose three line whip on his MPs to vote against EU referendum motion

    waste of time then

  175. 175
    NO says:

    Kate Hoey isnt ‘left of the left’ of the Labour Party. Good for her for not toadying

  176. 176
    Tonto says:

    I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Mr Clegg lose his seat at the next election.
    Man speak with forked tongue.

  177. 177
    Stinkfinger says:

    Bolster their pathetic arguments?
    Shit,it is the europhiles who wrote the book on that subject.
    Peace in Europe=American troops did that not EU
    Human rights and employment Legislation=Nothing the UK parliament couldn’t have done themselves.
    Trade=We are a net importer of goods from the EU.They going to stop selling us BMW’s?
    If MPs do the right thing for whatever reason that is fine by me.

  178. 178

    Just how many houses has Jowell got? The entire establishment is one giant stinking Turd!!

  179. 179
    Ah! Monika says:

    From Comments:-

    Am I being a bit thick about this? If first time buyers cannot afford start-up homes now, where will the money come from to buy all these four and five bedroom houses that will be released onto the market? Worse still, when all of us Baby Boomers sell our houses and down size, that would mean that we would then be competing in the same market as our off spring and as we will be cash-rich and they will need mortgages, we will dominate the market for two/three bed houses! It would make finding that first home MORE difficult for our kids, not easier. Property is, was and will always be a balance between people who want to buy and people who want to sell. In the end the market will always dictate the price. Interfering busy bodies will not alter this
    – ronnie, what used to be England, 20/10/2011 10:16

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2051140/How-sickening-politicians-allowed-mass-immigration-failed-build-houses-bullying-elderly-giving-homes.html#ixzz1bJYdimfi

  180. 180
    Mr Angler says:

    er … codswallop?

  181. 181
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    Indeed, all the polls showing 60%-70% of people wanting out of the EU, Cameron is flying solo in the wind on this one. I think it might be a safe bet to say he is going to be a one term PM if he forces the issue through..

  182. 182
    Stink****** says:

    Bolster their pathetic arguments?
    Shit,it is the europhiles who wrote the book on that subject.
    Peace in Europe=American troops did that not EU
    Human rights and employment Legislation=Nothing the UK parliament couldn’t have done themselves.
    Trade=We are a net importer of goods from the EU.They going to stop selling us BMW’s?
    If MPs do the right thing for whatever reason that is fine by me.

  183. 183
  184. 184
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    One of the interesting facts of modern politics is that whatever the issue the Lib Dems are always in the wrong place.

  185. 185
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    But if the rebels (Tories) number about 100 could Eds team resist?

  186. 186
    a few people says:

    We’re right behind you. Gotta waste our vote on someone, we suppose.

  187. 187
    Rage Against the Political Elite. says:

    They can’t allow Parliament to VOTE freely, as this is not even a pseudo democracy any more. It is a totalitarian State controlled by Whitehall through its State Controlled Cabinet. If he gives them a free Vote then the State will have to get out the Pictures of the Sexually depraved Politico’s in Cabinet and I am sure we wont like that?? Cameroon wont as he will have a massive reshuffle on his hands.

  188. 188
    neil pillock says:

    When you ride the gravy train, who the f´ck cares if its Bisto or Oxo

  189. 189
    Anonymous says:

    In this area – Britain’s relationship with Europe – what people want from their politicians is some straight talk and plain speaking.
    They were told we were joining a Common Market and it turned out to be a European Union.
    They were told they would have a say over the European constitution but that promise was broken.
    People are fed up with the endless lies and spin, they just want to know what we can achieve and how.


  190. 190
    Tony_E says:

    I’m not sure thatis what is happening here. I am all for a referendum and getting out of the EU – but the timing will be crucial.

    We are a large nett contributer to the EU, If there is a referendum called right now, the markets will move very quickly to support the end that it expects to see.

    If a presumtion is made that we will vote to leave the EU this could be enough to collapse the Euro, which would be damaging to us too. All this could happen before the vote took place, and so the background to the vote would be very volatile, and it might be argued that the current crisis needs to be played out and the new format of the EU need to be apparent before the question is asked.

    But most of all I think that the government is frightened of the uncertainty that a referendum might cause at present – but hope that the new settlement might give them a chance to renegotiate our position as a state outside the Eurozone and the new fiscal union which will be the only sustainable outcome from the current crisis.

  191. 191
    6EQUJ5 says:

    I think you’l find that China has a self interest in the resurgence of the Euro Zone, it’s their biggest market.

  192. 192
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron or Clegg is not going to give a vote on EU, only option for the real conservatives is to beg Ed.

    As thinks are only Ed can give a vote on EU.

  193. 193
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    Eugenics looks sensible after all……

  194. 194
    bergen says:

    And Jowell has a second home in the country-not for constituency work as she’s a London MP.She’s an even worse hypocrite than Toynbee.

    Now that she allegedly parted from her dodgy husband shouldn’t she set an example and downsize to a single bedroom flat?

  195. 195
    Johnny says says:

    Cleggy said: “two generations who have never had their say.””

    And the generation that did only voted on it after the deed was done.

    The inclusion in the question of a third choice in the debate – renegotiate – will soak up too much of the outies I expect, despite the chance of renegotiating anything being virtually nil.

    The problem is it is shaping up to be a debate about being in or out of Europe when it shouldn’t be. All it should cover is does our membership of the EU have the consent of the people and how to rectify the fact that it doesn’t. It couldn’t come at a better time for EuroDave and chums. Like Sarkozy and Merkin he can paint pushing against the status quo in any way as being utterly ruinous for Europe, that now is not the time to be changing stuff or the world as we know it will end. But all they are doing is seeking to protect the bubble they are in from being pricked by reality.

  196. 196
    Anonymous says:

    Markets doesn’t care whether we are in EU or not. Even trade will not be affected only issue is the gravy train our leaders enjoy will be affected.

  197. 197
    Anonymous says:

    cameron the traitor

    Indeed, in Cameron’s most candid speech on Europe to date he argued for a “never again” strategy, which under a Tory government would use parliament to install a referendum lock, a Sovereignty Bill, and stop the use of ratchet clauses in order to reverse the “steady and unaccountable intrusion of the European Union into almost every aspect of our lives”. Cameron concluded that on Britain’s relationship with Europe “what people want from their politicians is some straight talk and plain speaking”. But Cameron’s version of straight talk will at best jar abrasively with our EU partners if he sticks to the tone of his most recent conference speech about progressives on the left of British politics “falling in love with an institution that no one elects, no one can remove, and that hasn’t signed off its accounts for over a decade”.

  198. 198
    Anonymous says:

    Do you write mottos for Christmas crackers?

  199. 199
    Figure of Hate says:

    Can we have Mr Davis now, please?

  200. 200
  201. 201
    Nuke Brussels & Strasbourg says:

    Socialists have a severe mental illness, it’s called criminal robbery, they get to power then steal all your money and give it to themselves and all their hangers-on and other spongers. They’re compassionate alright but only to their own. Referendum now.

  202. 202
    I'll go along with that says:

    +1 Good observation…how do they manage it. I thought it was only me chosing the wrong queue at the post office. But those lankers do it en masse. Fascinating.

  203. 203
    Engineer says:

    It’s more like taking the plaster off a broken leg. Best not to do so too soon.

    The Euro is going to change hugely, but just how nobody knows. Better to let that crisis play out and let Europe stabilise before adding to the political problems.

    Nothing wrong with giving Brussels fair warning, though.

  204. 204
    I'll go along with that says:

    correction…wankers & choosing

  205. 205
    Anonymous says:

    traitor hague

    hero hannan

  206. 206
    smelling-bee says:

    stench of something, that’s for sure.

  207. 207
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Stuart Bell end (Lab) Spineless Traitor…. His wife says he is pro Europe and they have constituents who dont want a referendum (I kid you not).

  208. 208
    Hang The Bastards says:


    New boy, baby MP will tow the party line according to his office. A complete spineless useless tosser

  209. 209
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Well said…. Cameron has no concept of democracy.

    They are all in it together….. all in the fucking trough at our expense.

  210. 210
    Anonymous says:

    Not in the cabinet then?

  211. 211
    Hang The Bastards says:


    If these tvvats deny 70% of the population who do get it and are not fooled anymore then all hell will break loose and for once we will get off our asses and boot this shameless lot out of government for good.

    It will be the end of the 3 as we know it.

    Bring it on you bastards !

  212. 212
    Real Estate Cult says:

    Done already but, given the sheep that he is, I’m not holding my breath.

  213. 213
    Real Estate Cult says:

    Try thinking about Margaret Beckett – works for me.

  214. 214
    Anonymous says:

    French constituents?

  215. 215
    A bloke of a certain age says:

    But with regards the Referendum back in 1973 or whenever, it has to be pointed out that back then we who voted, voted for a Common Market not a soviet style totalitarian Monolithic all encompassing State. What we have today IS NOT what anyone voted for in any way shape of form !

  216. 216
    Hang The Bastards says:

    She actually said my view was “Wrong” and I was just causing trouble. !!


  217. 217
  218. 218
    Viva el papa Manucunian says:

    As I type I have 3 Romanians clambering around Castel Beastolfo armed with ladders and paint
    £65 sheets a day each and they bring their own coffee
    Meanwhile English wankers sit about pissed and idle all day (me included)
    There are some benefits to being in the EU

  219. 219
    Viva el papa Manucunian says:

    You still pay for his rent boys!

    What we need is a real leader

  220. 220
    Iloathlefties says:

    Written to my MP but we live in a dictatorship, where MP’s pretend to be part of democracy that frankly doesn’t exist. UKIP are the ONLY political party who will act for the English. No more Tory votes until Liberal Dave is removed!!

  221. 221
    ToryBoy says:

    Faulty spellcheck on Phone. I blame Steve Jobs lol

  222. 222
    Engineer says:

    Have you actually read my comment?

  223. 223
    Jim says:

    Silly Man.

    You vote until the Right Vote is delivered.

    Then there is no need for further votes.

  224. 224
    an english cunt - and proud of it says:

    the clue is “half decent”

  225. 225
    Divemaster says:

    As far as I can recall being over 51, I was never asked about joining a Federal Europe all the question was about was freeing trade across borders.


  226. 226
    an english cunt - and proud of it says:


  227. 227

    EU business burdens – The laws of intended consequence:

  228. 228
    an english cunt - and proud of it says:

    get used to it

  229. 229
    shunt69 says:

    and America is who’s biggest market?? Almost all the plastics and electronics are Chinese

  230. 230
    NO says:

    yes, you want to send a warning to Europe.
    Total shite.

  231. 231
    out now says:

    I saw a lovely group of fat Romanian women walking into Belfast there, with a couple of young children in tow.
    Off for a bit of begging round the shops.
    Isnt the EU wonderful…
    I wonder if South Belfast sdlp MP, Alistair McDonnell will be voting for more of the same in the referendum debate?

    I suspect he will

  232. 232
    Slug Balancer says:

    I think this just shows the utter contempt that the political establishment have for the people (and for democracy.) It is afraid that the people will give the ‘wrong’ answer. But even if they are denied the right to vote on this issue, as long as our economic situation continues to deteriorate, the people are not going to shut up about it.

  233. 233
    Slug Balancer says:

    Precisely. Presumably ‘cos he thinks he knows what’s best for me (not that he’s asked me.)

  234. 234

    Hague 2001 ” I want my country back”
    Hague 2011 ” When is my next EU freebie, jolly beanfeast due. God isn’t hypocricy wonderful. It allows you to be a complete and total shit without having to worry about your moral degeneracy.

  235. 235
    Slug Balancer says:

    We have been in the EU nearly all of my life, and I couldn’t tell you one positive thing that has happened to me or my town as a result of it. And even if you started telling me about grants for this and grants for that, well, those could have been provided with our own money which we are forced to give to the EU in the first place. Maybe one of the benefits of a referendum would be that the pro-Europeans would be forced to make the case, once and for all.

  236. 236
    Slug Balancer says:

    I think you’ll find it’s the EU Commission that most resembles the Politburo.

  237. 237
    Portsmouth South Constituent says:

    My MP is Handycock, he can’t read!

  238. 238
    The Dishonourable Member, Handycock says:

    I will take payment in any currency, or in female form.

  239. 239
    Slug Balancer says:

    That’s what I was thinking. Who could afford these big houses if they were for sale anyway? Unless the Intergenerational Foundation (I wonder if what they really want is a world like in Logan’s Run, where everbody dies when they get to 30?) want to just stuff them with as many people as possible, like the Bolsheviks did once they’d taken control of Leningrad and seized the houses of the nobility?

  240. 240

    Cameron has said that if the vote is yes, he doesn’t have to go ahead with it.

    And he won’t.

    If the MPs vote to go ahead, I am willing to bet money with anyone that it won’t happen. We can use 24 months for a payout period?


  241. 241
    Engineer says:

    What part of “Some time during this parliament, the public should have a referendum on Europe.” did you not understand?

  242. 242
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    I think ‘lankers’ will do – Lib + wanker = lanker

  243. 243
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    We were also told that ‘Europe’ had prevented a war in Europe since 1945. What prevented a war in Europe since 1945 was that the Russians were bloody exhausted after WW2 and we had the Americans in Germany.

  244. 244
    Heretic says:

    –dole payments to easties & their kids BACK HOME !!!!!!!
    What a stupid country.
    Out i say out of this Byzantine mire,lets at least bloody well TRY !!!.

  245. 245
    Heretic says:

    I worked with a person recently who,when given an instruction
    then went to three other people until she got the way SHE wanted
    to do the job !

  246. 246
    Heretic says:

    Now or Macaroon camaroon.

  247. 247
    Heretic says:

    JESUS H CHRIST we know the answer.
    This blindingly obvious SHITE needs to be ENDED !
    Federal Europe,one state,one money ha ha !
    the embezzlement within the ‘state’ is more than a crime
    it is showing us all what a good war does for the economy !!¬

  248. 248
    Heretic says:


  249. 249
    Heretic says:

    (we have stolen technology)

  250. 250
    Heretic says:

    Oh cod now we’ve haddock.

  251. 251
    Heretic says:

    Er bunch of MILLIONAIRES trying to be ‘like us’ ??

  252. 252
    Heretic says:

    GOGOGOGOGO.let’s at least have a level playing field !!

  253. 253
    Heretic says:

    I agree,but why wait ??

  254. 254
    Seb coe's a cunt says:

    shit & substance ??

  255. 255
    Seb coe's a cunt says:

    Bring all the troops home,re-arm & deploy !!

  256. 256
    Seb coe's a cunt says:


  257. 257


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