October 18th, 2011

Ed Should Back the In/Out Referendum

A debate in Parliament has been scheduled for the October 27, to discuss whether or not to have an In/Out referendum on the EU. Since all three of the major parties sold out on this promise, a remarkable effort has been made by the likes of the cross-party groups such as the People’s Pledge. If the Liverpool Question Time audience a few weeks back that was openly booing the forty million pounds a day we pour down the EU drain, this could be a tense few weeks. Watch and weep as MPs of all colours line up to tell us that they know best and that such decisions should be taken by them, with the help of the infinite wisdom…

Though we all know that Red Ed is grubby statist at heart and painfully pro-European, he is also a shameless opportunist. If he really wanted to make an impact with ordinary, hard-working, sensible voters he should back the calls for the referendum. It would distance himself from lies of Brown and Blair over the issue and the betrayal of “cast iron” Cameron. What does he have to lose?


214 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Well he does like to jump on any passing bandwagon.

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      Uncle Monty says:

      He would at least be a useful idiot for a change.

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        Alan Bentknob says:

        What a handsome chap! Classic anglo features and upright in character to boot! Like me!

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          AC1 says:

          You anti-semitic nazi!

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          Anonymous says:

          I support EU because almost all the nut cases and bigots are against EU.

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          • Archer Karcher says:

            That’s around 80% of the population, then.

            So just who are extremist regarding the EU?
            The tiny minority who want us to be governed by an unelected, unremovable elite and refuse the people a democratic say, or the overwhelming majority who want a return to freedom to govern ourselves, as we choose?

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          • misterned says:

            Then pressure your MP to grant a referendum, get active in supporting the PRO EU side and IF your side wins, then you will have finally shut up all those you consider nut cases and bigots.

            If your side loses, then the anti-British traitors who pursued the Pro EU line should shut the fuck up!

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          • Anonymous says:

            except Blair and Mandy.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Can I ask a simple question, why did Mrs T give one?

            I am all for a referendum as people didn’t vote for the EU we have.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Archer Karcher says: October 18, 2011 at 4:14 pm

            If 80% of the people are against EU we would have been out long time ago.

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          • Handycock Trougher, Pervert and Russian Spy says:

            If we pull out of the EU, I won’t be able to be a member of the EU Council of Europe anymore. That means I won’t be able to go to eastern europe at taxpayer’s expense anymore, shagging. We have to stay in the European union.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8834162/Suspected-Russian-spy-admits-affair-with-Lib-Dem-MP-Mike-Hancock.html

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          • Rog says:

            The EU is so evidently brilliant that all efforts to have a realistic cost/benefit analysis of our membership (i.e. is being “in” in the UK’s interest?) have been squashed.

            The EUrophiles are terrified of an honest appraisal of our membership and a subsequent vote on the matter.

            I wonder why…

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          • misterned says:

            Rog, If Cameron and Miliband both impose a 3 line whip on this motion, due to being afraid of losing a referendum, then that is a tacit admission from them that they do not have a cogent, rational or logical argument for remaining in the EU.

            IF they could come up with such an argument to remain in the EU, they would not fear putting such a question to the people in a referendum. The fact that they refuse proves that no such argument exists.

            They have had almost 20 years since the establishment of the ‘European Union’ in 1992 to come up with such a positive, logical and reasoned argument to remain in the EU and have failed to come up with one.

            This is a massive gift to UKIP.

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          • Yurofug says:

            Handy: The Council of Europe has sod all to do with the EU. You have just shown how really totally useless you are.

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      Bandwagon says:

      Missed!

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      misterned says:

      “What does he have to lose?”

      The patronage from his EU masters? A massively profitable place at an EU trough?

      I would be utterly amazed if Ed supported the motion:

      THIS MOTION CALLS UPON THE GOVERNMENT TO INTRODUCE A BILL IN NEXT SESSION OF PARLIAMENT TO PROVIDE FOR THE HOLDING OF A REFERENDUM ON WHETHER THE UK SHOULD REMAIN A MEMBER OF THE EU ON THE CURRENT TERMS, LEAVE THE EU, OR RENEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF ITS MEMBERSHIP IN ORDER TO CREATE A NEW RELATIONSHIP BASED ON TRADE AND COOPERATION.

      Though I would also be delighted if he supported it.

      I have written to my local MP and shall continue to write, tweet, email and text my MP over the coming months.

      If anyone on this site wants a referendum on EU membership, then the only way I can see of securing such a thing by this motion is if we overwhelm our MPs with letters, phone calls, texts, emails etc…

      Once their mailbags are tripled or more in size, due to this one issue, then they will be well aware of the public’s feelings on this.

      Note that this is ONLY a call for a referendum. Pro Eu and Anti EU people SHOULD come together and work together for this referendum.

      The arguments about being in or out of the EU can wait until we are granted a referendum. Until then, we should ALL work together to secure getting a referendum.

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        Northern Lad says:

        where / how can we send an email to our MP to put pressure on for a referundum as outlined above?

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        For what it's worth says:

        Sadly my MP is currently under a speeding cloud…..

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      • 210
        Sir Everard Digby says:

        As would I. One thing Ed lacks is cajones and voting against EU membership would require a large pair.

        As our voting system only offers electable choices who worship the EU,continued membership does not necessarily mean the electorate are in favour.

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          Uncle Fred says:

          It would be his chance to cause Cameron major problems. His best tack would be to make it part of a wider Democratic renewal of the EU and Britain’s relation to it. As many have pointed out the EU is not the Common Market that Britain voted on in the 70s. I’ve never understood the pro EU lot from shying away from the debate and the right of the people the express their view on this? The EU will never be reformed in its current form, this could be the Plucky Sixth Formers chance to move up the Debating Club and it might just kick start a more healthy EU political culture one that is more democratic, accountable and reflects better the wishes of the people who pay for it.
          Bet he fluffs it!

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    • 28
      Anonymous says:

      Why does some of the Conservative MP take the UKIP wipe. If they want they could support this government on all issues except EU. There is at least 100 anti EU MPs, much more than LD to force a referendum if they choose.

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      But he does have a lot to lose. Why do you think the EU Accounts haven’t been signed off for nearly seventeen years?

      Brit politicians probably get a handout when they leave parliament if they are in cabinet for keeping the referendum off the agenda. I mean how did Blair get so filthy rich so quickly?

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        Anonymous says:

        Perhaps bribes for the services given, just a thought.

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        Ha ha ha, Great Question says:

        Any questions relating to the legal advise provided by Cherie Blair while her husband was rime minister are legally privileged, and the fees received are commercially confidential

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    • 44
      And The Good News is says:

      Did anyone hear that programme on R4 last night? The arguement that we need to be in Europe for exports is now dead. They compared it to chaining yourself to a corpse as it is a dying market and the global export market is where we should be targetting our efforts.

      Norman Lamont was quite chipper though, reckons the formation of an inner fiscal Europe will allow them to drift off while we will be free to go our own way.

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        Anonymous says:

        Rest of the world should target us as we import a lot more from every one else than what we export. We even have a trade deficit with US.

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        misterned says:

        It’s true. What should we do in these times of austerity?

        1. Tie ourselves ever closer to a dying market of 500 million skint former consumers as they become ever more poor?

        or

        2. Free ourselves from that failed dead weight and expand into a growing market of 4 BILLION consumers?

        I know which answer makes sense and which answer the three main anti-British parties will pursue. They are not the same answer.

        Vote UKIP!

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          sockpuppet #4 says:

          I don’t think thats quite the party line is it?

          Europe is close, and its still very rich, and some parts still very successful. And still worth retaining free trade with, whatever happens to the EU.

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          • AC1 says:

            and we will still trade with them (and them with us.)

            We just won’t be forced to support inefficient french farms, inefficient italian shoe makers and have standards of wood content for bread.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Ned is suggesting they aren’t worth trading with any more.

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          • misterned says:

            I am saying that over the coming years, the 6 TRILLION Euro bill for EURO failure is going to turn the EU into such a basket case that it will NOT be worth trading with.

            YES the EU is currently worth trading with and we do and have made a lot of money from the EU, but that is not the future. We will very soon see the Eurozone collapse. We should not tie ourselves ever tighter to that corpse.

            I believe that UKIP will soon enough reflect that reality as it comes to pass.

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        HenryV says:

        My favourite bit was when one of the talking heads said we shouldn’t forget the £3billion in subsidies our farmers get. Where the f*ck does she think the money comes from in the first place? Most of the Euro ag’ money goes to France and the next biggest chunk goes to supporting peasant farmers in the old Eastern Bloc countries.

        If we left why would the EU stop trading with us? They are desperate for any market.

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      David Cameron (Cheif Bullshitter says) says:

      Kipper Cameron will use the whip on this one and even if the house votes for a referendum this two faced gutless arsehole will refuse to hold one.
      CAST IRON GARENTEE my arse, the only garentee he will honour is to garentee to ignore the electorate and suck up to the EU and give them tax payers money

      Fucking wanker

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        Boxed Brownie says:

        Quite photogenic though.

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          6/1, half dozen the other says:

          I’m not sure there’s much difference between being ruled over by the unelected commission, or the unelected German house of Saxe-Coburg-Gothe, despite the newly inducted middle class totty. The plebs have never had much say who rules them after all. The last honest English politician was Wat Tyler and he got stabbed in the throat by the Mayor of London!

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      misterned says:

      Apparently the rumours coming out of Westminster are that Cameron and Miliband will both impose three line whips on their MPs to oppose the motion and deny the people of this land any say on who governs them.

      If this is true, then this would be the best electioneering gift that either of them could bestow upon UKIP. I forsee many many more defections, especially from the tories.

      Why would Cameron rather see labour in power, than give us a referendum? How can he consider himself a tory when he would rather see Labour in power?

      IF he pursues the three line whip, then he is guaranteeing that labour will win the next election, because so many tories WILL defect to UKIP. The tories WILL lose enough votes in enough marginals to get labour into power.

      And considering that Brussels will be running the show, it will NOT matter a jot if labour or tories are in power rubber stamping EU diktats!

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        Anonymous says:

        Why doesn’t Tory MPs who feel so strong about the issue take the UKIP wipe?

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        Phantom says:

        And how many MPs has UKIP?

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          AC1 says:

          The Whigs used to have the majority of MPs. Your point is?

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          Archer Karcher says:

          How old is UKIP and how long did it take Labour to enter Parliament?

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          Axe The Telly Tax says:

          UKIP denied the Tories a majority n just 3% of the vote in 2010. Now they are polling 6% to 10%. Not enough to win any seats but more than enough to stop a Tory majority and let Labour win.

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          • misterned says:

            And that is exactly the point. They are showing that Cameron would rather have labour win an election than give the people the referendum on EU membership.

            Why?

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          • misterned says:

            I think every tory voter should write to Cameron and demand to know why he wants the tories to lose the next election?

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          • Rog says:

            Good.

            When Con lose the next election because of their EU stupidity, they might start to get the picture.

            We want out, and we won’t be fooled into voting for a slightly blue tinged version of NuLabour again.

            Sod Cameron. For me, it’s UKIP now until we’re out of the EU.

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      Iloathlefties says:

      I’m afraid our MP’s will be their usual traiterous selves looking after themselves and NOT the national interest AGAIN. I’m told they voted themselves another increase in their pensions today. No sign of CPI for those privileged ones, RPI for them and the Bank of England. We’re just the little people paying taxes for the £13.5 billion annual contribution for the EU, after a trade deficit of £42 billion last year alone!! CAP subsidies etc for no benefit.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “What does he have to lose?”

    what happened when he supported the move to AV?

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      misterned says:

      He was completely right to support holding that referendum. He was wrong on which side he supported in that referendum.

      Likewise, at this stage, the debate is only about whether we should hold a referendum or not. Clearly we should.

      This is NOT a debate about whether we should be in or out of the EU, as yet.

      My view is that if it was ‘debatable’ whether any single EU treaty transferred enough sovereignty from Westminster to Brussels, then the idea that the cumulative and total sovereignty already transferred by ALL the treaties combines, is surely an overwhelming and obvious one that all that cumulative transfer of sovereignty can now, and MUST now, be decided by way of a national referendum on EU membership as a whole.

      For if the Maastricht, or Nice, or Lisbon reform treaties were enough in isolation for MPS to argue over the issue of a referendum. The cumulative sovereignty transferred by all of them combined MUST require a referendum. There is no logic whatsoever in Maastricht or Lisbon being roughly enough to trigger a referendum, but Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon combined are not?

      Write to your MPs over and over and over again. Overwhelm them with mail and phone calls and emails.

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        Anonymous says:

        Why didn’t Mrs T give us one?

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          sockpuppet #4 says:

          she was always a bit of a prude.

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          Tony_E says:

          She was saddled with a hopelessly Europhile party, mired in the post war settlement and very much in the mould of the MacMillan and Heath eras. In the end, they deposed her over Europe, because she honestly seemed to have thought that in signing the Maastrict treaty she was voting for a trade treaty and no further. When it became obvious what a mistake she had made she turned 180 degrees and opposed any further shift.

          Unfortunately, she no longer had the backing of her party despite the fact that she had not long been re-elected by the people. The daggers were out for her from the moment that Maastrict had been signed I suspect, because the main players in the Conservative party knew exactly what they had agreed to. They had been present at the initial negotiations before Mrs T had risen to prominence, and they knew that she would not take the country into monetary and political union while she had breath in her body.

          In short – She and We, were collectively betrayed by the FCO and the Tory Grandees – Hurd, Heath, Howe and Hestletine.

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          Wattock Hunt says:

          Mrs Thatcher asked me for an example of a double-entendre so I gave her one!

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  3. 3
    tommy5dollar says:

    Can we stop using this £40million/day line? It’s simply not true…

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    New thread.

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    Well, as they keep telling us..’nothing to hide, nothing to fear’. If the EU is as good as they say it is, let’s have a referendum and see what the people think. They won’t let us have one of course because they know the answer they’d get and they don’t like it.

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    Rat's arse says:

    Guido, we are told that we will probably go bust if we leave the EU. So why then were we not told this at Election time by the three main parties instead of being told downright l.ies?

    I would still welcome a vote on in/out of Europe, as I think I’m old enough now to make up my own mind.

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    Popeye says:

    I just love the “cast iron” Cameron jibe, but “wibbly-wobbly” might be a more apt description. Even “shameless PR man”.

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    Kitchener of Khartoum says:

    Unfortunately I think that his stupidity will trump his opportunism, and he will sit on the fence for a while before coming out with the usual European claptrap.

    Personally, I blame this entire Common Market/EU fiasco on the Tory twits who were gulled by the likes of Jim Prior (a farmer with a lot to gain from CAP) into believing that if they voted to stay in in the 1975 Referendum, it would be beer and skittles (or cheap wine and baccy) from then on.

    At least then a Labour Government had the balls to have a referendum, unlike every sell-out merchant including Thatcher (Common Fisheries Policy) and Major (Maastricht) since.

    I voted to get out; and I was right!

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Let’s assume that the 40 million per day is true. That equates to well over ONE BILLION per month. And we’d go bust by not tipping that down the Eurodrain? I doubt it. Over TWELVE BILLION per year saved….and yet we’d go bust…BOLLOCKS

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    • 92
      Randy Mandy - The Elder says:

      We already give £12 Billion, in Overseas Aid, to help the despots build bigger palaces.

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      • 190
        HenryV says:

        Which we borrow mainly from the Chinese.

        £4.5billion pa would end child poverty in the UK.

        We could build 2 new aircraft carriers and equip them for that much.

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    50 Calibre says:

    The only reason the UK pays £40,000,000/day into the EU coffers is because the UK has not been bright enough to get right inside the EU machine and make it work for us. You can’t change the rules of any club unless you are a full member and get onto the committees that make things happen. Standing outside with banners, shouting slogans and wringing hands whilst moaning about it does nothing at all to change anything.

    The UK might as well be in the Drones Club for all the difference it makes.

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  12. 26
    Waves to Ed who I know reads this says:

    Do it Ed ! It’s about time you became somebody and not just David’s Little Brother, FFS.

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  13. 31

    The acid question:

    Would you vote Labour in the unlikely event that Ed promised a referendum?

    Think about it for a few seconds before replying…

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      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      i have asked that before, could you trust them to keep thier word, that is the more relistic queston?

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      • 53

        You did not think for long enough – but you are on the right lines IMO.

        The ballot paper offers a choice of candidates. It does not ask you whether you think you can trust them.

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      Ditch The Tribes says:

      They don’t need to make such a promise. Any group of sensible MPs can simply put the national interest first and introduce a referendum bill into Parliament now, before any elections and call all the other MPs bluffs.

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      apathy personified says:

      Why not? It doesn’t matter how you vote – the socialists always get in.

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      Rat's arse says:

      Simple answer ‘schrodingers’ – NO.

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      misterned says:

      No, but if they introduced a referendum on the EU before the election, with the help of enough ‘rebel’ tories, I would consider voting for them.

      But I could never trust any of the top three parties to keep an election promise to hold an EU referendum.

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    50 Calibre says:

    Will Milibollox minimus have to ask Blinkiebollox what to do about this?

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  15. 37
    Josiah Bartlett says:

    Presumably the answer to Guido’s question is “the referendum”.

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  16. 39
    Jimmy says:

    A day of distractions on this blog, what about Dr Liam Fox?

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    jgm2 says:

    Ned, like Clegg and Cameron will support the idea of an EU referendum right up until the second it looks like becoming a possibilty at which point he’ll discover some long-held belief as to why this is ‘not the right time’ or somesuch disingenuous guff.

    Anyway – this EU stuff although of great importance is still just a distraction. Even at one billion quid a month that still ‘only’ saves us 12bn quid a year. We still need to find another 150bn quid per year in savings.

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      Charles Flaccidwidger says:

      A billion quid a year in direct contributions maybe. God alone knows how much extra it costs us in red tape, laws that only we seem to follow and a milion and one other things. Not enough to clear the deficit maybe but a sizeable chunk of it.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Deadwood couldn’t lead a dog.

    He was so, so good at leading the AV ‘Yes’ campaign that even his own constituency voted No to AV.

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      Anonymous says:

      True, if he had been a Tory he would never have allowed a vote.

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        Archer Karcher says:

        Jesus, you really are an idiot aren’t you? I thought you may be satirerising stupidity, clearly this is not the case and you really do believe the drivel you produce.

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        misterned says:

        Who was it in the Commons, and the Lords that voted FOR a referendum on the Lisbon Reform treaty? Oh yeah the tories, labour voted against and the Lib Dems abstained in the commons and voted against in the Lords.

        Who was it that implemented a referendum on AV? The tories…

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  19. 52
    theflashingblade says:

    “Ordinary, hard working, sensible..” you been talking to any landlords lately?

    Beyond parody.

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    EU is a just form of Pacifism- Nazism. says:

    The Eurozone is heading for meltdown. The IMF want us to chuck billions at it. What is there not to like about being a fully paid up member to Europe?

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    Old Blue Eyes says:

    I shall watch this debate with great interest and certainly note which way members vote. UKIP should put out a statement immediately that they will not field a candidate against any sitting member who votes for a referendum. If they fail to do this they cannot be taken seriously.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Well, for a start he’d lose that cushy job in Brussels when he’s kicked out as Labour leader.

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    Ramrod says:

    Politicians are bleeding the people dry. Setting up new layers of government, printing money, giving jobs to their friends, collecting quango pensions.

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    WVM says:

    No human rights for that poor Jewish guy that got realised today, looks like he’s not eaten in weeks, unlike his 1,027 Palestinian counter parts.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Ah! Monika says:

    Better still. Propose China to become part of the EU. Simps

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    nell says:

    Yes but you have to remember that the mentor who walks about holding militwit’s hand is kinnochio.

    And how much money does kinnochio and his grasping wife make out of the eu?

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      Charles Flaccidwidger says:

      I was having quite a good day until you mentioned that fucking gobshite…..

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      Anonymous says:

      True but Cameron is a liar and a traitor.

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      Bought for life says:

      Kinnock will respect the EU for life. He has to to keep his pension

      article 213 of the EU Treaty Commissioners,

      When entering upon their duties they shall give a solemn undertaking that, both during and after their term of office, they will respect the obligations arising therefrom and in particular their duty to behave with integrity and discretion as regards the acceptance, after they have ceased to hold office, of certain appointments or benefits. In the event of any breach of these obligations, the Court of Justice may, on application by the Council or the Commission, rule that the Member concerned be, according to the circumstances, either compulsorily retired in accordance with Article 216 or deprived of his right to a pension or other benefits in its stead.

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    Well it's something says:

    Simple, if Camoron doesn’t give us an EU referendum then our local blue liebour MP doesn’t get my vote, niether will the local blue liebour councillors when we get chance to vote, if liebour get in or god forbid libs&tes then who gives a fck we will still be in the same crap.

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    Whoops says:

    BBC news have a 100 year old Indian marathon runner live in the studio and it looks they is going to have to call the Doc out before he chokes to death.

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    It's too cold to play golf says:

    It is certainly true that any possible disruption to our membership of the EU immediately after the UK has had its first downrating seems like bad timing. Better we use the current hiatus to carefully redefine our relationship. A start would be to kick today’s EU announcement about stem cell research into the long grass. A direct threat to research in which the UK has real leadership.

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      Common Market Yes, EU No says:

      A trivial reason IMHO to remain a day longer than necessary in that corrupt, deeply undemocratic and expensive organisation.

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    Devolved Power For England =Democratic Equality says:

    The only way to keep England out of Europe is for England to have its own devolved parliament and then the English can fill it to brim with Ukippers.

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      Well it's something says:

      If UKIP is not going anywhere if it had legs it would have had at least 5 MP’s by now, it hasn’t so nobody will waste there vote except as a spoiler on them.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    When Labour are overcome by utter desperation, before the next election, Millitwit might elude to referendum, but I doubt he will commit to an outright manifesto promise. But, even if he did, nobody would believe him and you’ll find the people who care most about a referendum, will never vote Labour and wouldn’t believe them anyway.

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      Anonymous says:

      So Tory turd, you accept that most people want to leave the EU, and all you can offer is the usual partisan crap. Labour are scum they are the enemy, but it is the Tories who are the hated traitors.

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        CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

        Thanks for confirming what I already knew, that most of the anti-EU rants on here, are merely Labour trolls trying to set comment fashion to attack the Conservatives on a right-wing blog.

        The fact is fvck-wit, that most people put EU membership low down their list of priorities, no, they really they do!
        That is why governing parties get away with doing nothing about it. For the small minority of people who actually have an opinion, yes they are anti-EU. but that is a lot different than assuming that everyone is actively hostile to it. The floating vote, especially, is probably not bothered by it.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Read Guido’s blog today about bank profiteering from Bank of England Quantitative Easing by bumping up price of gilts before selling to BofE.Obscene,

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    Fe vs Pb says:

    Cast-iron Dave against Lead Ed. Who will be the first to bend?

    Try this at home kids but don’t put anything in your mouths.

    And don’t be fooled by the results.

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    Two Eds are better than one says:

    Ask the people? For God’s sake, what kind of idiots do you take us for?

    We sort out how to stay in power, we work at lining our nests and then, because of some outdated law, we have to ask people once every five years to ‘choose’ which collection of state-loving, mendacious, corrupt, and self-serving whores they prefer.

    It’s such a strain on us that we need long holidays to recover and extra expenses to tide us over.

    But if we go around asking people about Europe… hell’s teeth! Look, what if you gave us the answer we don’t want? What if you plebs decide we would be better off making our own laws, making our own decisions… It would mean so much extra work for us leaders.

    Plus, you have to remember we want our share of the gravy train from Brussels. If that old wind-bag Kinnock can rake it in then so can we, right? Ending the prospect of a cosy well-paid retirement holiday villa in Strasbourg for our old age would mean we have to rely on inflation-proof pensions, and God knows we have no idea how to hold that one in check.

    So, everyone, please think about this carefully. The consequences of your deciding is simply beyond belief, and too much of a worry for us elite. For you, well… who cares? You just squeak up once every so often and that’s fine by us.

    But don’t squeak too loud please. There are people sleeping in here.

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    Moley. says:

    MPs can expect widespread publicity regarding their votes on this matter.

    There is certain to be a significant influence on their prospects of re-election.

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    Foxy Foxy says:

    I suppose they must be arguing about the text of the Fox report.

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    Ol' Blue Eyes says:

    If there is an IN/OUT referendum, the result will be a resounding OUT. There is no doubt about this. All the IN arguments are worn out and discredited. The EU is an unpopular, incompetent, corruption-ridden, near-bankrupt farce.

    When we win, Nigel Farage and those Eurosceptic MPs who dare to stick their heads above the parapet will be the heroes of the country and Cameron and the other party leaders will be humiliated.

    If Cameron respects the result and pulls out of the EU, it will probably break up the coalition.

    They know this. They will put their interests first. We won’t get a referendum.

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    The only Ed I like is Edmund Blackadder says:

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    Jimmy says:

    Wasn’t there one party which promised a referendum on the Treaty of Rome and delivered it?

    It’s on the tip of my tongue.

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      Well it's something says:

      Oh you mean the 1974? EEC referendum the one that you could tick a box with yes or tick another box with yes because both boxes asked the same question, liars then and liars now no change.

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      Democratic Gerrymandering says:

      A dollop of Ed Miliband’s shit?

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      Archer Karcher says:

      Yes Labour, unfortunately they told almost as many lies about membership as sailor boy Heath. The LabLibCon, have never been honest about the reality of membership and know full well, that lies and only lies, keep us bound to the fascist empire.

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        Jimmy says:

        I remember it well. Everyone got govt funded leaflets by the yes and no campaigns (ghastly brown and yellow). Quite possibly the most transparent ballot the country has ever seen. Righties are such bad losers.

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          Well it's something says:

          It was a yes yes vote the questions were the same,it was my first time voting and my last time even thinking about voting Liebour as well as the last time buying a newspaper niether were forgiven by me for the lies, if both had been honest then their would have been no doubt the country would have voted yes ,but Liebour as with postal voting had to make sure..

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        • 173
          jgm2 says:

          Labour lost. Get over it.

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          Goldilocks says:

          You’re obviously confused. The Left were against the EEC and everything it stood for, so they lost.

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          • Jimmy says:

            I say rightie in deference to present company, although I accept you cause has been shared by my less sensible colleagues. As a rule of thumb any cause which united Enoch and Wedgie by definition had to be very silly indeed. Right wing flat earthers oddly enough differ little from ours. The people are voting against us only because they are stupid and have been lied to, not because we have been weighed in the balance and found wanting.

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          History Man says:

          Tony Benn a rightie?

          Your clear recollections seem somewhat blurred.
          The overwhelming mass of nearly all MP’s regardless of party and the media message ( partly financed by the CIA among others ) was in favour of a yes vote. Needless to say, the BBC sacking Jack DeManio for being off the ‘yes’ message, is something else you do not remember well either.

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          CYNICAL OLD MAN says:

          Jimmy, you show ignorance and a selective memory yet again! The 1974 referendum was sold as a vote for or against a free trade area. We were sold the lie by Heath and the other traitorous politicians that we were voting for a TRADE ONLY agreement. Even then Heath knew that the ultimate goal was political and monetary union but kept that fact from the public.

          Politicians lied through their teeth about the true intentions of the European Project, and they are still lying to us now. You, my gullible friend,have fallen for the lies and the revised history. Unless of course you are one of those Europhiles who are part of E.U.propaganda project.

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          • Jimmy says:

            The 1974 referendum (or 1975 referendum as some of us prefer to call it) was not for or against a free trade area. On the contrary the UK had left a free trade area, EFTA, in order to join. This appears to be a common flat earther talking point but is not borne out by any contemporary material.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

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    Enoch Powell says:

    Right as I understand things Clegg had it in his manifesto to offer an in/out referendum at the last election – so we’re about to get another chance to see what a two-faced scum bag this guy is.

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    Auntie Flo' says:

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    Johnny says says:

    “Ed Should Back the In/Out Referendum”

    Yes, from a pragmatic position regardless of what Ed thinks is the right choice.

    A referendum would set the direction of Government for another generation. If IN wins then full speed ahead with integration *with the consent of the people*. If OUT wins then full speed ahead with extraction again *with the consent of the people*. Everyone would know where we stand regarding europe and we would change our behaviour accordingly. The covert and overt integration that has no electoral mandate is obscene, misallocates resources and allows Westminster mps to be unaccountable.

    If they genuinely believed they are elected to serve us rather than rule over us it would be a referendum they cannot lose – because the decision is not theirs to make.

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      London Irish says:

      No. If OUT wins, a torrent of money and misinformation will precede a revote, repeated until you finally give the RIGHT answer.

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    Sue them Adam. I would says:

    So Werrity has got his lawyers involved. And Quite rightly too. GOD is going to have to choose his words carefully, no parliamentary privilage for him.

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    I don't need no doctor says:

    Ed Miliband saw the opportunity to be a loser and grasped it with both hands.

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    Handycock, Russian Spy Shagger says:

    Hey Ed, I am thinking about defecting to the Labour Party as I have heard on the grapevine the LibDems are going to deselect me. How about it?

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    Hang The Bastards says:

    As a conservative I have to admit I WOULD vote for the daft tvvat if he backed a referendum on Europe.

    I hate Miliband, I hate Labour…. but I hate being in the EU the most.

    Call me Dave just doesnt get it on Europe.

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    Loosehead says:

    I would expect nothing less than a table-thumping demand from the Millipede for an in/out (stop sniggering at the back) referendum to pander to the mob. Since his ex-boss promised it and then slopey-shouldered his way out from under, and his current opponent did the same, it should be very simple to expect the voters to forget over the next 4 years.
    Trouble is, I can’t bear the thought of agreeing with the slimy twat.

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    Dave arbuthniot says:

    Allowing a bunch of unelected civil servants in Brussels to make laws that are binding in the UK (and all the other 26 EU countries) is profoundly undemocratic. Then we have the European Court of Justice which we accept as superior to our own Surpreme Court. So we’ve lost control of the law making process and the legal system – and we pay billions each year. It’s absolutely barking mad. No self respecting nation would allow it to happen. The sooner the European Communities Act 1972 is repealed the better.

    As for Ed – he’ll come out in favour of a referendum as will most of his party. Nothing to do with principle but will want to emarrass Dave. Mark my words.

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    The Little People says:

    you have our vote

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    Sir Edward Traitor says:

    My yacht Mourning Cleoud was a gift from grateful German industrialists.

    Why were they grateful?

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    Hang The Bastards says:

    ED

    At PMQs today why don’t you attack Cameron by asking why he is going our democracy away and instructing his team to vote NO to a referendum.

    Your SPAd

    Hang The Bastards

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    Mark Wouters says:

    Hi,
    a day or two ago “The Morris minors” appeared in the mirror Newspaper, the caption should have read “th Morris MEISERS”

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