July 29th, 2011

Government Launches e-Petitions Website
Guido Submits “Restoration of Capital Punishment” Petition

As promised:

We petition the government to review all treaties and international commitments which may inhibit the ability of Parliament to restore capital punishment. Following this review, the Ministry of Justice should map out the necessary legislative steps which will be required to restore the death penalty for the murder of children and police officers when killed in the line of duty.

The findings of the review and the necessary substantive legislation to be presented to House of Commons for debate no later than 12 months after this petition passes the acceptance threshold.

One of the problems with our modern unrepresentative democracy is that it is disconnected from the voters. Despite focus groups, polling and intense marketing to voters, politicians are still unable to engage successfully with voters.

There are a number of issues where the political class refuses to carry out the wishes of the people. All polls show that there is majority support for capital punishment, yet there is no majority for it in parliament. It is not even an issue for parliamentarians even though the incidence of homicide is higher now than it was before the abolition of hanging. Now that the government has launched an e-petitions site, Guido will put all the resources at his command into a campaign for a vote on the restoration of capital punishment for child and cop killers. Even if we don’t win the vote on the floor of the House, we shall at least see which MPs believe salus populi suprema est lex, and those that put the welfare of child killers above the wider community. Let them be counted.

Guido intends to launch a campaign website at the end of next week, if you want to help the campaign, in any way, use the contact form below. If 100,000 voters sign the petition we have a chance of getting real justice for the next Baby P…


389 Comments

  1. 1
    Billy Bowden's Bum Boy says:

    Hang them!

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    • 14
      Billy Bellend says:

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        Tax Payer says:

        What a shame the site was published a week after Parliament went on holiday. It almost looks convenient?

        P.S. Understand your feelings on CP but I can’t support you. Taking a life is a sin, as you know.

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        • 69
          Anonymous says:

          Guido, this blog is very entertaining and you do a great job exposing corruption in Westminster and elsewhere, but you always start to sound a bit like Glenn Beck whenever you talk about capital punishment.

          (P.S. That wasn’t a compliment.)

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          • Anonymous says:

            Would’ve been less controversial petitioning for free beer?

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          • Albert says:

            Guido, you bring shame on the word ‘libertarian’. Stop it. Just admit that you are a Conservative individual who doesn’t like paying tax so you use the fig-leaf label of libertarianism. Much as Blair used the fig-leaf of ‘liberalism’ when it suited him.

            [Also, “In the event of a “perverse” verdict that involves the conviction of a defendant who should not have been convicted on the basis of the evidence presented, English law has no means of correcting this error.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases#United_Kingdom

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          • Ivor Biggun says:

            Am very much in favour of your initiative Guido (and oh, if only we could get the bastards in SW1A 0AA to introduce referenda on citizen initiatives like some US states), and am very much in favour of the death penalty in principle, the problem is that until we have a system free of bent, useless and self-interested coppers and a judiciary that doesn’t bang up the likes of the Birmingham Six, Stefan Kizkho, etc., etc., it’d be best to campaign for life to mean life in such cases – I’d love to exact vengeance upon murdering scum, but I don’t trust the state to do it properly on our behalf.

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          • Taxfodder says:

            A complete and utter waste of time…

            The Government only agrees to “consider” any proposal with 100K of votes.

            Not be bound to look at it or discuss it.

            The Government has enough difficulty carrying out the things it has agreed to let alone this window dressing for an open society (yes but on whose terms you might ask).

            They will cherry pick ideas to suit or support themselves, as per normal.

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          • Sungei Patani says:

            Who or what is Glen Beck?

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          • Bob Walsh says:

            @Sungei Patani This is Glen Beck (a talk radio host) in a news report http://youtu.be/f1QevWEG1fA

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        • 217
          A proper right winger! says:

          A life sentence that means life. Introduce a mandatory whole life sentence for the killing of children for example and the need to execute murderers evaporates! Unless it’s retribution that your after in which case you might as well petition to bring bring back being hung drawn and quatered!

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          • Nemo says:

            Yes, a life sentence should be just that, for life, the trouble is that the judiciary seem to have different ideas as how long life sentence should be, and if subsequently due to new evidendence should come to light as with that bloke that was sentenced for life for rape and murder of a young girl and only after after years in nick it was proved he could not have done the deed, the person could be released a compesated accordingly and inept law enforcement officers bought to book. If a convicted murderer confesses, they get a lighter sentence, but if someone denies their guilt they are condemned for 30+ years even on dodgy evidence. That hanging drawing and quartering was truely barbaric do no doubt there are some on this blogg would. “say bring it on” Hugh Despencer II was such a bloke with and additional torture (would make you lot wince), mind he was a bit of blaggard thief, murderer, swindler, his family led to many famous people right up to modern times.

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          • stroppycow says:

            Ah now your’e talking!!

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          • Anonymous says:

            It’s cheaper to just put them down.

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        socistudent21 says:

        I would submit that the Death Penalty be restored for most cold and calculated murders. Such as those carried out by the likes of Peter Sutcliffee and the Moors Murderers. The DP should not just be for child killers and cop killers, but for ANYONE who is convicted of brutal and unprovoked killings.

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          Rage Against Polticial Elite says:

          I would agree to bring back Hanging. If Those in positions of Authority found to be Lying. In their words Error’s of Judgment, Cant remember etc etc. Like the CPS. Holding back evidence. Police officers. Politicians. and any one connected in any way to have influence over us. A minimum sentence of 5 years. That will never happen. So stick the Deflection from the Corrupted institutions of this country up your ANAL Passage.

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      David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

      Good for you Guido, most people want capital punishment because there is no deterrent at the moment for any category of crime. Your remit should be far wider than cop killers or child murderers. The likes of Peter Sutcliffe serves no useful purpose in prison or burden on the taxpayer. I would happily push the button, flip the switch on persons where there can be no doubt have killed others.

      Our system is soft thousands, literally thousands get of murder by stupid manslaughter charges and are out in about seven years- truly pathetic system that encourages crime because of the lack of deterrent.

      Alas softie Ken Clark and the Lie Dumbs will do everything they can to keep a soft EU approach. We can not even deport criminals and illegal immigrants because of their right to family life under article 8 of the wretched Human Rights Act.

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        Sir William Waad says:

        Capital punishment does not deter murderers. The evidence from the USA, where various states have from time to time abolished or reintroduced the death penalty, is that has no effect on murder rates. Nor should one expect it to – most murderers do not rationally weigh up the pros and cons before committing their crime, while the vilest criminals such as Fred West, Harold Shipman and Ian Huntley prefer death to a long stay in prison.

        The death penatly may satisfy our desire for retribution, which is natural and is the principle on which all criminal justice rests; we have no right to do things to criminals unless what they do is wrong and deserves sanctions. Nevertheless we do, on the whole, make slow progress towards civilisation, three steps forward and two back, and abolishing the death penalty was one such step forward. Let’s not step back again.

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        • 131
          Dean Hunt says:

          99.99% of gangsters worldwide believe capital punishment has a deterrent effect.

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          • Engineer says:

            The majority of us, fortunately, are not gangsters.

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          • Retired Engineer says:

            Well said, Engineer.

            This is one issue on which I agree with the political class (crikey, how it hurts to say so!).

            Society should hold higher principles than the criminal elements.

            I have little admiration for those who take an aggressive stance. Ask yourself truly, if you were tasked with sticking a knife into somebody’s body to kill them on behalf of the outraged mob, a) whether you could do it and b) whether you could live with yourself afterwards.

            I have done violence on behalf of others and that is why I am very much against capital punishment.

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          • Ivor Tapeworm says:

            I am not a gangster. But I would be, if it were not for the deterrent.

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          Old Man says:

          Hugh Callaghan, Patrick Joseph Hill, Gerard Hunter, Richard McIlkenny, William Power, John Walker Paul Michael Hill, Gerard “Gerry” Conlon, Patrick “Paddy” Armstrong and Carole Richardson.
          All would know be hanged and we would have to live with the knowledge that their convictions were unsafe and unsatisfactory…

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          • English Viking says:

            I’d still hang them now.

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          • Lord Justice Pickles says:

            Indeed.

            The Darvell brothers (See Rough Justice), Stefan Kisko and Barry George would have all been hanged.

            And as you say the Guildford 4 and the Birmingham 6.

            So no Guido I will NOT be signing the petition but I defend your right to seek a debate. If that debate happens I’ll contact my Tory MP to vote it down.

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          • Ivor Tapeworm says:

            Let’s hang Piers Morgan anyway.

            By the goolies.

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        • 148
          Headless cutbacks says:

          I’ll say one thing thing for the death penalty, if we’re paying (say) £30,000 a year to keep one of those murders in jail and they last 30 odd years after being convicted then thats nigh on a million quid that we could save us nigh on a million quid.

          Government cutbacks? Hang ‘em all and save a packet!

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          • make_trouble says:

            how would you save a penny when you would be forced to spend a fortune in legal costs for all the appeals PLUS prison upkeep? average time on death row in the US is 28 years. it would be more costly, not less.

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        • 149
          Political pundit. says:

          100% of officially killed killers believe the death penalty is a deterrent.

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          • misterned says:

            True, there is not one single case in history of a executed murderer going on to commit further crime.

            As for the petition system itself, look at what a labour MP has to say about it:

            ” Moves to give the public a say on what new laws are debated in Parliament would put power in the hands of “the obsessed and the fanatical”, a Labour MP has said.

            Press Association ”

            Good to know that labour MPs still have no interest in actually representing the interests of the voters.

            Democracy is a concept which is totally lost on them.

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          • nemesisrepulsive says:

            LOL excellent

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          Call me Infidel says:

          It doesn’t deter them maybe but they wont do it again.

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          • Marmite says:

            Agree whole-heartedly Infidel. Let’s rid our prisons of these murderous scum bags, who apparently can enjoy most things in prison. Time to take the gloves off.
            Tell you what, the bleeding hearts on this blog and elsewhere have never suffered the painful loss of a loved one. If they had, they’d want the b@stard(s) got rid of, thus saving other innocent lives .

            Well done Guido.

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          Shirley Knot says:

          Agreed.

          It amazes me that Guido supports this. Why does he want to give the state the power to take a life?

          Do he want to instill a mindset that if someone breaks the law then one possible option is retribution and killing them? The effect this will have on the less well read will be awful. In the back of their mind you will create the sense that killing can be for the moral good.

          Additionally you will have removed the right to life and replaced it with a right to live as long as you don’t upset the government at the time.

          And to what end? To satisfy a blood lust? To give the red tops a new line in headlines to sell a few papers? Oh yes, money. The death of the non-productive helps to balance the books.

          I see today that the NHS has already started along that path.

          Maybe we should talk about euthanasia for those who haven’t saved up enough money.

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          Anon E Mouse says:

          Unfortunately like the NHSD, the criminal justice system isn’t fit for purpose. All is does is provide an environment for criminals to associate with each other, take drugs, made easier by corupt prison officers, and continue with their ‘lifestyle’.

          The idea that capital punishment would act, per Voltaire, as a deterrant is as a lot of other commentators not borne out by the facts.

          Combine this with the ever increasing prison population for all offences, ever increasing amounts of taxpayers’ money, the human rights act and other campaigns for ‘prisoners rights’ (when was the last time ‘victims rights’ were discussed at all esp on the BBC) this debate is only going one way – law abiding citizens paying more and getting less.

          There’s also the issue of ineptitude/corruption that could send innocent people to their death. What happens then Guido, do people that pervert justice to execute the innocent not also deserve the death penalty ?

          As for Guido’s attitude towards capital punishment, is does not align to the facts; a position that he regularly defends this blog.

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        • 259
          Nemo says:

          Sir Bill I agree with you see Nemo says:
          July 29, 2011 at 1:26 pm if it has not not been modded, there always the chance that the convicted person was totally innocent, the if founf that they could not possibly have done the deed, they can be suitably compensated.

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          Jonathan says:

          Of course it’s not much of a deterrent if you don’t do what you say you will.
          The problem in the US is that although they sentence many murderers to death, most States rarely carry out the sentence:

          http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions-death-sentence

          I used to oppose the death penalty, now I’m broadly in favour. But why only for child or Cop killers? Is my life worth less than a childs or a Police officers?
          I’d be in favour for Treason or Piracy too.

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        • 326
          red ash says:

          so sir we can pay for a life time of free pool , sky etc for a murderer but we cant afford to pay for drugs or treatment for certain cancer patients hang em high ill bring the rope

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        • 368
          The Doctor says:

          Silly old fool. People like him pander to criminals – that’s why we’re in the situation of criminals have more rights than law abiding citizens. If you want total lawlessness Sir William then keep protecting the criminals old boy!

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      • 92
        Jay says:

        “Good for you Guido, most people want capital punishment because there is no deterrent at the moment for any category of crime.”

        The death penalty does not work as a deterrent – this has been proven time and again. Do some research.

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          Four-eyed English Genius says:

          You can prove what you like with statistical research!

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          • JohnBellingham says:

            Yes you can. The murder rate in England and Wales has risen from 6 per million to just under 20 per million since the abolition of hanging. Those who support murderers will point out that the rate was higher in the late 1940s but ignore the fact that there was a post-WW2 spike due, perhaps in hindsight, to post traumatic stress and easily available weapons and the modification of the definition of murder in 1959.
            If as a society we do not wish to bump off the filth we should get a grip on any and all violent crime.
            South Africa abandoned hanging and introduced the type of liberal sentencing and jail terms enjoyed by British thugs: the result? A thousand-fold increase in the murder rate and a nation under siege.
            Singapore is almost crime-free. They retain the birch and the rope and serious hard-time for any criminal. Can these be unconnected?

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          Sailor says:

          It is not meant as a deterrent(although if it does have that effect, that’s good)
          It is meant as a Punishment

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        Anonymous says:

        Absolute rubbish.

        Read table A4.4 here which show Manslaughter rates of about 250 convictions per year:

        http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/publications/statistics-and-data/criminal-justice-stats/conviction-tables.xls

        The argument may go that well this is just convictions but the British Crime Survey (an anonymous victim measurement survey) shows that there were 642 homicides in 2010/2011. There therefore cannot possibly be thousands of manslaughterers out there as there are not enough people being killed. Homicide under these statisics captures murder and manslaughter.

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      • 166
        Paul says:

        “where there is no doubt” – do you think there is doubt at the moment and yet convictions still get overturned. If you had your way many of the “murderers” fitted up by the Police in the 70’s would have been executed. If we kill people we put ourselves on the same level as the convicts

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      • 193
        Peter expat says:

        Ken Clarke is being realistic. We simply don’t have the money to keep banging people up in ever increasing numbers.
        The best deterrent for most crimes is the certainty of being caught*, not spending time in gaol, which for regular offenders is a regular lifestyle.
        Drastic chopping back on police administration, with the money saved going on frontline policing would work far better. Crime is increasing because the buggers think they can beat the system.
        *Acknowledging that murders in the heat of the moment are a different matter.

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      Murder is murder is murder says:

      So why is killing a copper worse than killing a nun and why is killing a child worse than killing a pensioner?

      And what about mass murderers who have failed to kill a single cop or sprog ?

      I put it to you that you are using emotional forces by bringing children into this. There does though seem to be a certain logic in making villains very wary about killing cops.

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        Cat says:

        Couldn’t agree more.

        Also, it’s not unknown for coppers (never bent, as we all know!) to totally f@ck up investigations that can lead to miscarriages of justice. Especially when they close ranks around one of their own being topped.

        That’s why it’ll never happen, no matter how many petitions are sent in. Parliament likes to be seen as ‘civilised’, despite being a load of thieving, lazy b@stards, and no death penalty gives them a perceived moral high ground.

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      • 236
        Shirley Knot says:

        If it’s as simple as murder is murder is murder, why is it any different when the state does it?

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        • 285
          Anon says:

          I could not pull the lever or press the switch myself, so how can it be right to say ‘but I will let someone else do so in the guise of the state acting on my behalf.’

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        • 286
          Anon says:

          I could not pull the lever or press the button myself, so how can it be right to say ‘but I will let someone else do it in the guise of the state, acting on my behalf.’

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    • 35
      Anonymous says:

      Does this mean that Gerry Adams will swing?

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    • 47
      Killed in the line of duty? says:

      So what would be a child’s line of duty?

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    • 48
      Hang 'em High (own piano wire supplied) says:

      Bags I first go bum-boy, then over to you

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    • 98
      Smig says:

      “We petition the government to review all treaties and international commitments which may inhibit the ability of Parliament to restore capital punishment.”

      Now now Guido, be honest. This isn’t about capital punishment.

      This is using a populist policy to force parliament to reject treaties that do not allow for national self-determination.

      If the people want CP, and parliament agrees to it, then our elected representatives will have to withdraw the UK from the EU.

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      a voluntary death penalty says:

      I am pretty sure you are on a loser here Guido. Public opinion seems to have changed against wanting the death penalty. I suppose a lot is down to what several generations have now been told what to think, be it in the schools, by the state broadcaster and politicians.

      May I then suggest a voluntary death penalty? A great deal of resources, time and money are spent on ensuring that lifers serve life. I can not see the sense in this. If Ian Huntley wants to die then grant him and the others their wishes. Keeping them alive only to mope around in a cell for decades until they eventually die serves no good purpose to society or its conscience.

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        Peter expat says:

        Actually, I’m not sure if public opinion has necessarily changed. We may be a disparate bunch on here, but we are hardly typical of the public at large.

        We are all interested in some form of debate on here, which puts us into a definite minority. Most of the general public have little interest in current affairs other than the footy.
        Try going around trying to pull in voters on election night. Most would rather be watching Coronation St or East Enders than bothering to vote.

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        • 276
          RT says:

          I think the word you’re looking for is “reactionary”. The Great British Public are, on the whole, an unbelievably stupid and ignorant bunch. Present company the exception, it goes without saying.

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          • JohnBellingham says:

            All politicians for centuries past have believed that the electorate are too stupid to make their own decisions.
            If we had referenda on important subjects we would have:-
            The death penalty for murder and many other crimes, including being an expenses-fiddling MP.
            Public flogging for thugs, bank managers and journalists.
            An efficient and low-cost civil service.
            Honest policemen.
            Low, low taxes.
            Minimal immigration and repatriation of all undesirables, including the Irish and Scottish ones.
            An English Parliament.
            Petrol at cost plus 10%.
            No dole money or benefits for anyone except ourselves.

            Who would want to live in such a country?

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      • 261
        Anonymous says:

        Guido’s on to a loser because no EU member is permitted to have the death penalty. The government would have to withdraw before it could be reintroduced, which ain’t gonna happen.

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    • 197
      Up sh1t creek says:

      We at the coalition are concerned about “listening to the people”, so we’ve re-launched the e-petition website, where we will do our best to totally ignore your requests, especially if you are calling for the death sentence to burglars, muggers, rapists, and politicians who are economic saboteurs and traitors.

      Yours Sincerely
      George Young, David (son of Blair) Cameron, Nick (jump on any bandwagon) Clegg

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    • 239
      Ampers says:

      Very clever.

      I am referring to the omission of treason.

      If that had been added it would have been a total put-off for our politicians!

      Ampers

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      • 244
        Shirley Knot says:

        Quite.

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        socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

        Treason must be included.

        Also not keen on death penalty for “cop-killers”. The police are the states thug militia. Dixon of dock green is long dead. I see no reason why the police(whose job isn’t even in the top 10 of most dangerous jobs) should be treated any different from anybody else.

        Remember the 150 million I refer to above where all killed by “coppers” working for evil states (and they are all evil).

        In case you don’t get it, that means that in the last 100 years , the police on this planet have killed far more people than the criminals.

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    • 247
      jrand says:

      You said it and I hope you mean the banker wankers, fully supportive on that one.

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      • 295
        Nemo says:

        Someone mentioned the death penalty in the US, does anyone remember seeing a program on the TV a few years ago about a town, half of which was in the US and the other half in Canada, Niagra Falls, the number of killings on the US side was many multiples of that on the Canadian side, I don’t think Canada has the death penalty, also I think both halves had equal populations, the US has the right to carry guns killing seems to be in their genes.

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        • 389
          What, my real name? says:

          The Canadians have guns too. But they don’t have a fearmongering, scumbag media even worse than our own. Cf.: Bowling for Columbine, a film by Michael Moore.

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    • 337
      northern oik says:

      Guido, I disagree with your views on the death penalty. Of no matter. John Stuart Mill’s notion of capital punishment was the conception of a man who died in 1873. Life expectancy was vastly different to that of the early c21. To use his notion of accelerating a process, which would be imminent by virtue of natural decay, and to paint it as an almost humane punishment is not tenable today. In this day, the death sentence is certainly not “less cruel than any punishment that we could think of substituting for it”. In short, your coincidentally generated “quote of the day” is a load of old shit, when used in your context, dear boy x

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    • 370
      Anonymous says:

      We all know that the Derek Bentley case was the demise of the death penalty in the UK. However with the now irrefutable proof of DNA evidence of someone’s guilt, then the death penalty should be re introduced, but lets not stop at cop or child murderers, include those convicted of rape and paedos that have been dtermined guilty by DNA evidence

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      • 387
        Anonymous says:

        Since when was DNA evidence irrefutable?

        Quite aside from the ease by which human influence can be introduced at several stages of the evidence collection and testing process (with or without malice), there is still a non-zero error in the test itself.

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    • 375
      Anonymous says:

      they should also vote to hang paedophiles too..

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  2. 2
    Gordon Brown says:

    Today I am a Pigeon. Coo coo coo

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    • 58
      Mr Slater's Parrot says:

      SSKKRRRAAAAWWWWKKK!!! (crest) (hiss) (flutter) (stare)

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    • 132
      Moaty says:

      Way aye mad bad dangeroos, you make me look sane

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    • 345
      Rich Johnston says:

      It worked on the first Guido Fawkes of course.

      But no. I’m sure the majority of people are in favour, in principle, of capital punishment. Then the second you get the first miscarriage of justice, everyone will suddenly be against it.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Vengence is not justice!

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      Joe public says:

      Vengence IS a necessary part of justice .

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      • 36
        Tax Payer says:

        I think you mean retribution, which isn’t quite the same.

        The purpose of punishment is to 1) punish the offender; 2) provide some justice to the victim(s), and 3) show society’s unacceptance of the crime.

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        • 167
          Joe Public says:

          You have just made up a definition of justice to suit your own views. My definition also includes vengance. It is far better we give victims justice which includes the element of vengance after due process than resort to mob rule. Vengance is required.

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          • Tax Payer says:

            The lady atop the Old Bailey is blindfolded for a reason.

            There is no place for high emotion in justice – vengeance is NOT justified.

            Otherwise the avenger is as bad as the criminal. We are civilised people, not cavemen.

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          • Anonymous says:

            The blindfold does not signify the absence of vengeance but rather the impartiality of the application of the law.

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          • Tax Payer says:

            Impartiality includes the calm, rational application of the law.

            Vengeance is not calm or rational.

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          • English Viking says:

            It is if you do it properly.

            Vengeance is a dish best served cold. And repeatedly.

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          • RT says:

            I think you’re confusing vengeance with a nice smoked salmon roulade.

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  4. 4
    Boots McGonagle says:

    No.

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    horsetraders says:

    It despairs me to see someone so often right so horribly wrong supporting this fascist dribble

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      Sleepless in Kirkaldy says:

      One thing that most of us can agree on is that the State is incredibly good at making a mess of things. Trials are no exception. By all means, make Life mean Life for these cases of murder, but don’t risk executing innocent people caught up in miscarriages of justice.

      I am a libertarian, not a liberal

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      • 103
        BobRoberts says:

        I’m with you here. If the justice system was entirely accurate then I’d reconsider supporting capital punishment, but as it stands I have no faith in the system actually operating properly… Giving our judges/politicians more power of life and death over us doesn’t seem a wholesome idea.

        Sorry Guido, no support for this from me.

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      • 125
        Anonymous says:

        Agreed- watch ’12 angry men’ and have another think about it.

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      • 338
        Jim Miller says:

        The idea that our legislature (proven to be bent) acting on charges brought by our police (proven to be bent) & egged on by our press (proven to be bent) should have the right to take a person’s life seems laughable to me. Really laughable. Guido should stick to poking these bent ‘institutions’ (he’s brilliant at it) and not get involved in promoting crackpot politics himself.
        Guido fan nonetheless,

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    • 254
      Anonymous says:

      I never knew “despair” was a transitive verb. Ah, the wondrous flexibility of the English language!

      (Totally agree with you, though. Not only will this proposal go nowhere, but it’ll undermine Guido’s general credibility.)

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      • 283
        RT says:

        Yes. I think apart from Guido, Anne Widdecombe is the only other person I know who supports the death penalty. That is if you don’t count all of the plebs who can’t read or write and just want some hanging accidents to watch on YouTube of course.

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        • 296
          Nemo says:

          Guido and Wideicombe are RC, the RC’s have a bit of history regarding putting folks who did not agree with them. I suppose they would like in Georgian times sent a boy to the gallows aged 10 for stealing a loaf because he was starving.

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    Billy Bellend says:

    Presumably by ‘cop killers’ you mean police who kill innocent or unarmed people?

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      Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

      Also why only cop and child killers?

      What happens to a 20 year old that is killed?

      Either Guido wants death pen for all killers or not?

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        Son of the Manse says:

        I think the death penalty should be introduced for those who assault their staff, call elderly northern ladies names and continually skive off work. Oh wait, that’s me.

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      Bemused of Suffolk says:

      Yes, the one who killed Ian Tomlinson should be swinging in the wind.

      But if it means “people who kill cops”, and Ian Tomlinson had picked himself up and knocked-over and killed the officer who had pushed him to the ground, Tomlinson would now be facing the noose.

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    What I say is gas the buggers says:

    Hanging’s too good for them, bring back drawing and quartering as well. In public, so the costs can be recovered (there’s a deficit reduction strategy for you).

    Sell the broadcast rights – the Iranians are really missing a trick with this one you know, live public stonings would make a mint on Sky box office.

    Nothing is too outrageous to satisfy joe public’s bloodlust – let’s RIDE that wave of rabid populist indignation, baby. Whooyaaaaaaaa!

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      Old Snob says:

      As for “public opinion” was not News Of The Word the largest selling newspaper?

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        Nemo says:

        Well quoting The Screws as a sort of mirror for public opinion, does not say much for public opinion

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Guido

    while i do not support your cause for the death pen, i do wish you luck in getting it debated on the floor of the house.

    I do ask all those in favour of the death pen to ponder the widespread corruption in the police/media/politicons before rushing to judgement.

    Its a bit hard to right a miscarrage of justice if someone is dead.

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      Joe public says:

      Its even harder to bring back all those murdered in the absence of the death penalty.
      Is it really better that hundreds die than have the possibility that an innocent man might be hung ?

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        Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

        “I would rather 100 guilty men go free than one innocent man hung”

        Well words to that effect.

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        • 41
          Joe public says:

          Yes Billy thats my point as the practical application of that expression is that hundreds are murdered rather than have the slim possibility that an innocent man might be hung. I ask you again do you think that is an acceptable price ?

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          • Shirley Knot says:

            No Joe,

            You will plant the idea that death is a legitimate punishment.

            Do you really want to make it easier for people to make the journey into becoming Anders Behring Breivik?

            Shirley

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        keddaw says:

        Studies show that the death penalty does not act as a deterrent:

        http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty

        When the death penalty was abolished in Canada the murder rate actually dropped!

        Not to mention the death penalty is much more likely to be given to minorities and the poor.

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          Anonymous says:

          Not to mention the death penalty is much more likely to be given to minorities and the poor.

          And the problem with this is?

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      • 108
        non believer says:

        you need to prove that the death penalty is a deterrent first.

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        • 177
          Joe Public says:

          Compare the murder rates in the UK before capital punishment was abolished. Even that doesnt give the true scale of the escalation of murderous assaults as improvements in emergency response and medical procedures mean that hundreds of victims are saved today that would have died under old procedures. There is no doubt that violent assaults have increased since the abolition.

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          • Shirley Knot says:

            Violent assaults (as opposed to the non-violent sort) have increased since the abolition of the death penalty? How interesting.

            And I’m sure chicken kiev consumption has decreased since the invention of the mp3 player.

            I fail to see a link unless you feel that every time a physical altercation occurs each party seeks the death of the other – which is clearly bunk.

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          • Joe public says:

            Shirley you are a sarcastic idiot.
            Let me spell it out for you and if that fails perhaps drawing diagrams will help. The reason I mention violent assaults is because it is not sufficient simply to compare murder rates of today with those of yesteryear when capital punishment was in force even though they are much much higher.

            Modern medicine means that many many many attacks which are murderous in nature do not end up as murders because the victims are saved in a way they would not have been in the past. Putting it another way how would the murder rate increase if we treated the victims of violent assaults in the same way as we did in the 1950’s. That doesnt mean that the evil scummy bastards are not out there in their droves.

            Once you have your answer you see just how far our society has deteriorated and how effective a deterent hanging really was .

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        RT says:

        I fail to see what the size of his cock has to do with anything Joe.

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      Anonymous says:

      Did anyone see that Louis Theroux thing of US Country prisons? 6 to a cell, no telly, utterly feral. Let’s have some of that over here instead, a life time of it would focus the mind. And as Billy points out you can reverse a travesty of justice to some extent.

      Oh and btw, I’d pay good money to watch Peirs doing even a few hours of it! Sell seats it would help the budget George, go on, ye know it makes sense.

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      • 76
        Modulus says:

        You forget they are not confronted with the abominal Clause 8 of ECHR mess.

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      • 104
        Anonymous says:

        Which has better reoffending rates, the US or Norway, which takes the complete opposite approach?

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        • 175
          Political pundit. says:

          Ooops not exactly in line with their current tragedy as he will get maybe 20 years and only serve 12 which is one person for two month incarceration in a modern cell with all amenities.

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          • English Viking says:

            He’ll never get out. The Gov have the power to detain indefinitely if a shrinks says a prisoner represents a risk to themselves, others or public order.

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  9. 9
    Colin says:

    Yes let’s restore capital punishment – it worked so well last time didn’t it? And isn’t it great how well it works in the US? In fact, let’s celebrate all the wonderful countries of the world that have so much success executing people who may or may not be guilty of crimes.
    Let’s face it, much as we’d like to put down paedophile and police murderers, capital punishment always becomes a political and media toy. We should be concentrating on making sure the worst criminals are jailed for life and without the comforts many of them seem to enjoy.

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  10. 10
    Rupert Murdoch says:

    G’day Mate!

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  11. 11
    Forlornehope says:

    Guido claims to be a Roman Catholic. His church has taught under several recent Popes that there is no place for capital punishment in a modern society.

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      Joe public says:

      This is the same church which felt it better to turn a blind eye to child rape during the same period. Moral legitamacy =zero

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      • 43
        Tax Payer says:

        These are God’s laws, not man’s.

        The church can say what it likes – it is often wrong.

        Taking a life is a sin against God.

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        • 62
          Anonymous says:

          God commands that we execute murderers. How do you square that one ?

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          • Tax Payer says:

            No He doesn’t. Where does it say that?

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          • Joe public says:

            Exodus 21:12 for starters

            “Whoever strikes a man so that he dies shall be put to death.

            Now before anyone starts I am not advocating the restoration of the death penalty on the basis of a book which may or may not be a valid authority. I am simply showing that those who say that its restoration is somehow against the will of god have got a bit of explaining to do.

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          • Shirley Knot says:

            I though he also said “Thou shalt not kill”.

            In the same book he said that we shouldn’t wear two different types of cloth at the same time.

            In answer to your question, all we do is pick the one that we think is still relevant and live by that.

            Shame the omnipotent and immortal God didn’t think of that and put best before dates on his work.

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          • Anonymous says:

            The comment thou shall not kill refers to murder and if you had taken to time to read the context of my previous quotation you would see that it is in fact the penalty for those who break the very commandment you quote yourself . In other words no contradiction, murder is forbidden and those who murder are to be executed. Simple.

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          • Cancer Bag says:

            Quoting from Exodus completely disregards the establishment of the new covenant under Christ. If you want to quote mine verses to support this, at least to it from the works of St. Paul…

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          Charles Darwin says:

          Whose rules?

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          Anonymous says:

          Which/whose God are you invoking?

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          • Tax Payer says:

            Same God, different names.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Taxpayer @ 11:20 a.m. You appear to support the “only 1 God” school,in which case perhaps you can explain why he/she/it speaks with a forked tongue depending on which name is being used?

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          • Tax Payer says:

            I believe there is only one God, who is consistent.

            Your, my, or someone elses, interpretation of particular aspects may not be consistent.

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    • 111
      Cat says:

      Let’s leave God out of it. The argument is about society, not God. Chucking God in the mix just shows a complete lack of debating skills.

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      Anonymous says:

      No, it has not “taught” that. John Paul II made a PRUDENTIAL assessment of the value of capital punishment in modern society, and concluded that it was rarely needed. The Catholic Church teaches that capital punishment is morally permissible, and leaves the question of its use/non-use to civil authorities.

      INNOCENT III: “the secular power can without mortal sin carry out a sentence of death, provided it proceeds in imposing the penalty not from hatred but with judgment, not carelessly but with due solicitude.”

      CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT: “Another kind of lawful slaying belongs to the civil authorities, to whom is entrusted power of life and death, by the legal and judicious exercise of which they punish the guilty and protect the innocent. The just use of this power, far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this Commandment which prohibits murder. The end of the Commandment is the preservation and security of human life. Now the punishments inflicted by the civil authority, which are the legitimate avengers of crime, naturally tend to this end, since they give security to life by repressing outrage and violence.”

      CARDINAL RATZINGER: “If a Catholic were to be at odds with [John Paul II] on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.”

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        RT says:

        Strange. Why doesn’t he do a prudential assessment of the value of condoms to society too? Since the dissolution of the Inquisition, I don’t think the Catholic Church has really needed the death penalty, has it.

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          Anonymous says:

          Because use of artificial contraception is intrinsically immoral. No-one in the Catholic Church claims that capital punishment is intrinsically immoral – just that there may be social situations where it isn’t needed.

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  12. 12
    Anonymous says:

    Just because the NOTW is dead, doesn’t mean you have to fill the space. You’re wrong on this one Guido.

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      bird with small brain says:

      Well said! What the majority want is no measure of the merit of a decision. If your emotions are getting the better of you, Guido, go and thump a few cushions.

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    Anonymous says:

    The only conceivable problem with the re-establishment of the death penalty is that we would need, by tradition, an immigrant to fulfill the role of Public Executioner.

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  14. 17
    John Adlington says:

    I thought you were Irish. If so, please stop trying to encourage my government to kill people.

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    • 24
      Gerry Adams says:

      The Irish way is a bullet in the back of the head.

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    • 27
      Joe public says:

      You are as bad as the socialsts who confuse the people with the state. It is not the government who execute justice , its the people. Have younever heard of the jury system ?

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    • 42
      Billy Bellend says:

      The Government needs no encouragement to kille people especially the women and children in Afghanistan and Libya.

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  15. 20
    Martin Day says:

    Speaking of liar politicians….

    David Cameron’s not fit to lead the country – mirror.co.uk
    http://www.mirror.co.uk

    DAVID Cameron claims that three-quarters of those applying for Employment Support Allowance (the successor to Incapacity Benefit) can go to work immediately. He is a liar.

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      socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

      They are all liars.

      ZaNuLab the worst of the lot.

      13 years of your shite and now more of the same.

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  16. 25
    Another Engineer says:

    This is going to go down like a slice of pizza, I’m afraid.

    Ask Stanislav about that one.

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  17. 26
    keddaw says:

    The death penalty is not a deterrent. ffs if you’re gonna talk stats at least mention the most important one!

    It does reduce re-offending though. But also means that once you’ve killed one cop you may as well do away with everyone.

    The main objection I have is that I am not allowed to kill someone who is not an imminent threat. Neither are you. Or you and a bunch of people, whether that bunch is a lynch mob or the state.

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    • 31
      Anonymous says:

      I have no idea what the hell you are talking about, please post something which makes sense.

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    • 301
      RT says:

      You are. New guidelines have been released. Since then we’ve had two robbers killed by their intended victims, including one earlier in the week stabbed in the heart. The former is not going to be prosecuted, and I very much doubt the latter will be either.

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  18. 28
    Anonymous says:

    Yes, and what happens when they start stringing people up on false evidence, as happened in the past.

    Let’s hope you never hear ‘told you so’ as you’re led up the scaffold.

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    • 49
      Joe public says:

      Lets hope as is statistically much more probable under the current system, that you never hear the words I told you so as you are knived to death in the street by a stranger.

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        A Question of Innocence says:

        On April 8, 2002, Ray Krone was released from prison in Arizona after DNA evidence proved that he was not responsible for the 1991 murder of a Phoenix bartender. Krone became the 100th person exonerated and released from death row since 1973. Convicted twice for a brutal murder, Krone spent ten years in prison, two of them on death row. The DNA evidence that ultimately proved his innocence also implicated the real murderer.

        Unfortunately, Ray Krone’s story is not unique. As of February 2004, 113 inmates had been found innocent and released from death row. More than half of these have been released in the last 10 years. That means one person has been exonerated for every eight people executed.

        A study by Columbia University professor James Liebman examined thousands of capital sentences that had been reviewed by courts in 34 states from 1973 to 1995. “”An astonishing 82 percent of death row inmates did not deserve to receive the death penalty,”” he said in his conclusion. “”One in twenty death row inmates is later found not guilty.””

        The vast majority of those exonerated were found innocent because someone came forward to confess committing the crime; key witness testimony was found to be illegitimate; or new evidence was found to support innocence

        etc etc

        http://www.aclu.org/capital-punishment/question-innocence

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          Peter expat says:

          I’m not against capital punishment in principle, but there would need to be a different standard of proof for such. Circumstantial evidence shouldn’t be enough.
          We already have enough people sentenced for crimes they didn’t commit. Stefan Kisko lost the best years of his life for something he was later proven to have been innocent of. Money cannot replace that, or compensate for the years of abuse he suffered in prison.
          A life for a life, whether policeman, child or anyone, fair enough, but there has to be no doubt whatsoever that the right person is executed.

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          • Anonymus says:

            There was absolute proof he was innocent before the trial.
            The police chose to ignore it. And the defense didnt know about it.

            And never mind that – A fat bloke with a broken ankle climbing up a cliff on’t moors?

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          • anon says:

            Convict and execute all concerned in convicting someone later found to be innocent; Police, prosecuting barristers, CPS ! Should resolve the problem.

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    Reverend Bullpit says:

    “Child Killers”

    Would you class those females who have an abortion as “child killers”,I would .

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    • 54
      At the end of my sock says:

      “Every sperm is sacred,
      Every sperm is great.
      If a sperm is wasted,
      God gets quite irate.”

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    • 116
      Cat says:

      That’s half the trouble going off so far to the right Guido – you get all the bloody weirdos and right-to-lifers coming out of the woodwork.

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      • 134
        Tax Payer says:

        No faction has a monopoly on weirdness.

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        • 147
          Cat says:

          Indeed! Never a truer statement said!

          However, right to lifers and intelligent design types usually tend to gravitate well off the right hand scale.

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  20. 32
    Anonymous says:

    If you want to kill so much, join the army. Just leave the rest of us out of your childish bloodthirsty fantasies.

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  21. 33
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    O/T India win toss and bowl first

    breasnan in for tremlett

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  22. 34
    non believer says:

    Yes Guido, the US is the only developed western country to have the death penalty and look how well that’s worked out for them.

    Billions in costs and a sky high murder rate.

    Good work guido, best of luck in your latest ‘crusade’.

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  23. 37
    Engineer says:

    Not in favour of this one, Guido. I think Billy’s point that you can’t right a miscarriage of justice if you’ve executed someone is the nub of the argument.

    I would be more inclined to support the premise that life imprisonment should mean life for murder in the cases you mention.

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      Anonymous says:

      Agreed. However isn’t there some requirement under the ECHR that even lifers must have some review system/hope of release at some point in the future? If so surely the first step is a petition that the government gets its’ finger out and brings in its’ own human rights legislation, which I seem to recall was in the Conservative manifesto.

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      • 136
        Anonymous says:

        Anything put into an election manifesto is solely for the purpose of getting votes
        and is not to be regarded as a guarantee of implementation.

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      Infuriated of West Mids says:

      I agree completely with Engineer, I’m afraid, Guido. I simply can’t support you on this one.

      What I would support would be reclaiming our criminal justice system from the liberal lefties and the EU, so that life in prison meant life in prison. And prison shouldn’t be anywhere near the cushy number it is at the moment. You should lose most of your rights when you go to prison.

      Sentences should be longer, and they should get rid of the myriad of pissy “community orders”, ASBOs and the like. You shouldn’t have to shoplift 100 times before a judge reluctantly sends you to jail for 6 weeks.

      If we need to build more jails, then build more jails. It would help if we could actually deport immigrants who get sent to jail, rather than wank ourselves into a stupor over their “Human Rights” as well.

      I don’t doubt you’ll get you 100,000 signatures, but I would wager that you wouldn’t fancy a pint down your local with a fair number of them.

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        sg-strummer says:

        Good comments. Make life mean life. No TV/Xbox/smoking/etc etc in cells. More prison places so an up and coming young criminal can be subjected to a 6 month “Short sharp shock” in an environment that they will NOT want to return to. No “easy” open prisons. No early release or home visits. All prisoners to work, unpaid, on whatever mindboggingly boring tasks can be thought up.

        Sadly, never going to happen. But I do not trust our justice system enough to support the death penalty.

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        • 133
          John Adlington says:

          I couldn’t agree more. Make prison sentences for stuff like robbery and GBH shorter and deeply unpleasant.

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    CHRIST ON A BIKE! says:

    No Western democracy (except a few US states) enforce death penalties.
    Even back in the 1980’s, when the Conservatives had a very big majority in Parliament, and had many more supposed “real” Conservatives, a free vote on re-introducing the death penalty was easily defeated.

    The judicary, police, media and ruling class has slowly been taken over by various pinko, left-wing tossers, that is why it won’t ever get re-intorduced.
    The reasons they got rid of it in the ’60’s, are no doubt, still relevent to them today.

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  25. 40
    JCMarsh says:

    Is not the text of this petition beyond the scope of their function?

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  26. 44
    MajorFrustration says:

    P.D.James made the interesting point the other day on the Today programme that the public are very often “up in arms” about certain issues but the politicians only take notice when it suits them. Anything therefore that supports and directs voters opinions and ensures that our represnetative better understand real feelings is fine by me. Didnt McBroon have a similar petiton thingy?

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  27. 45
    libertarian my arse says:

    Giving the state the right to kill people; what could possibly go wrong with that?

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    • 55
      Anonymous says:

      Giving the people the right to kill the murdering scum in their midst is indeed a great idea

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    • 110
      Be careful what you wish for... says:

      Voluntary euthenasia is also on its way. This will inevitably lead to medically sanctioned euthenasia, and then state sanctioned euthenasia.

      Why are we so desperate to give people these powers?

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  28. 46
    hhhhhhhhhhh h h h says:

    I would have being mounted from behind by Gordon Brown would be more a deterent

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  29. 50
    Anonymous says:

    Oh yeah, great idea.

    We have a police force that is now proved to be corrupt and we expect to be able to trust them to provide evidence to have someone hung.

    Over and over again in the past our police have been proved to bring the WRONG people to justice. Hanging would therefore kill the WRONG people.

    Give me a justice system that can be proven to be 100% correct and you may get my vote. Until then though forget it.

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  30. 51
    SaltPetre says:

    Sorry Guido…but you are wrong on wanting CP….thou shall not kill…. two wrongs do not make a right..etc..! But good luck with it all. Let’s start a petition to force all lefties to live on the IoM under quarantine.

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  31. 52
    Lord Ashcloud says:

    Guido – I agree with your sentiment but could you hang one of your own children if they were convicted of murder sometime in the future?

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  32. 53
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Ok Guido, say ou get your wish and the death pen is brought back (democrcy), what happens in 20 odd year when say we shria law in parts of the country, maybe a islamic goverment and by popular view they extend it to homosexuals?

    I mean it already happens in most muslim countries.

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  33. 56
    Jim Bob says:

    I preferred the libertarian Guido.

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  34. 57
    bob holmes says:

    This idea is as stoopid as it is barbaric that is condoning judicial murder. Two points: is it worth risking killing yet more innocent people? Is it not better to let killers to rot in jail and again the american experience shows it does not deter

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  35. 59
    Anonymous says:

    shame on you guido

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  36. 61
    Charles says:

    Capital punishment should be reserved for Serial Killers and Mass Murderers. As much as I dislike the idea of letting a child killer live, its too easy for someone to be wrongly convicted of a single murder.

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  37. 65
    Anonymous says:

    I’m against Capital Punishment, Guido.

    It will create martyrs out of nobodies, forces criminals into even more desperate acts, create miscariages of justice, and create a death row class that blights America.

    The Islamic terrorists actually want to die. I say keep’em in gaol.

    And I certainly would not trust 50% of the British public to make a sensible and balanced decision about the future of someone’s life.

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      Icarus says:

      and juries would want an even higher threshold of proof before convicting. Some criminals would go free.

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  38. 66
    Guido isn't always right says:

    Going back to your premise that parliamentarians are out of touch with their constituents – looking at the above comments, it appears you might be slightly out of touch with your constituents on this issue. So, are you going to follow your own principles and withdraw this ill conceived petition?

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  39. 67
    Anonymous says:

    An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

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  40. 71
    Angry weegie says:

    I don’t give a flying fuck if it’s a deterrent, make it a punishment pure and simple. Why only children and cop killers what about the scumbag who caved that wee lassie’s head in for a fucking free breakfast. Hang him high, hang them all where there absolutely no doubt of their guilt. Would save this country millions in the long run.

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    • 78
      Billy Bellend says:

      “…absolutely no doubt of their guilt.” Who decides that, Cressida Dick?

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      • 309
        Angry weegie says:

        With CCTV, DNA, absolute eye witness testimony and in the scumbag breakfast case, his own fucking text messages to his equally scummy pal, who incidentally should be birched up and down a high street somewhere (a long one preferably), for texting back “that’s the best text I have ever had” or something similar. What kind of fuckwits are we breeding here. RIP that poor wee lass.
        Sorry for your loss Marmite.

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    • 265
      Marmite says:

      Well said ‘Angry weegie”. This country is full of bleeding hearts. I wonder how they’d feel if their children/loved ones were murdered just for the hell of it? Hope they never ever have to find out. Personally speaking, I know what it feels like, and the scum who murdered the two people I love got ten years and will be out in five.

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  41. 73

    Please amend the petition to add the following clause:

    “I hereby volunteer myself or the following member of my family [insert name of parent, sibling or child here] to be the first innocent person to be executed.”

    Or are you volunteering someone else?

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  42. 74
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, this blog is very entertaining and you do a great job exposing corruption in Westminster and elsewhere, but you always start to sound a bit like Glenn Beck whenever you talk about capital punishment.

    (P.S. That wasn’t a compliment).

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  43. 74
    Disco Biscuit says:

    I would sign it, but convictions are sometimes overturned and on the basis that we are still, at times, convicting innocent people, I do not believe we can reintroduce the death penalty.

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  44. 77
    Jack Frost says:

    Bad move to single out cops. They are, at least, in a position to defend themselves, unlike the proverbial little old lady beaten to death my a drugged-up robber in her own home.

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  45. 79
    Loss of plot says:

    Time was, the psychotic fru itcakery was in the comments rather than the blog posts. Guido 2.0 is mad and – more importamtly – boring.

    Bye.

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  46. 82
    Archy Bishop of Canterbury says:

    For the second time this morning one is seriously disturbed and deeply troubled by the news that a petitioner may be planning a petition to – how can one say – seriously upset the demeanour and composure of those who either plan or actually commit um, – how shall we put it, – um …. Naughtiness! – a term itself that I find pejorative because it is after all the intention of the perpetrator or is it the petitioner to have these people who, in the eyes of unqualified and less intellectual people than myself and other Grouniad readers and also like me avid listeners and believers of the BBC that those who – I hesitate to use the word – but I feel I must for the sake of brevity and clarity, – but what other word can I use? . . . Sin … there I’ve said it and it is a word that rarely passes my lips,.. in fact I risk losing a night’s sleep over it for where would I be without my slumber in the arms of the great being with whom I have the most intimate contact and . . . . I feel I have lost my thread here . . now where was I? . . except to say that the opinions of our brothers in alky ada and other progressive religions should be sought.

    Let us pray . . . . ah here’s the coffee! . . . and the Grouniad is here . . and so nicely ironed Madeleine!

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  47. 86
    Mohmed Abdul says:

    Guido wants Sharia law! Alloo Akboo!

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  48. 87
    Guido fan says:

    All for stringing up police murderers! I’d personally pull the lever on the two lying bastards who murdered Harry Stanley – and those that covered up for them.

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  49. 89
    The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

    Kid Killers yes kill the scum.

    Cop Killers no I have no problem with people who kill cops.

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  50. 94
    Dr Phibes says:

    I do wish your petition well but in this post democratic age as the prince of darkness (P Mandelson esq.) called it doubt its impact.
    The fact is that politicians on any issue are at odds with those they allegedly represent in parliament. – Europe , immigration , windfarms, Afghanistan, Libya , global warming , policing etc etc.
    Our democracy is a sham and the reality is we are governed by an oligarchy combining the machine of state with that of corporate business – hence we are impoverished both by government and monopoly capitalism – the correct definition of fascism.

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  51. 99
    TheyFearTheHare says:

    I think it was Winston Churchill who said “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter”

    Normally I wouldnt agree on principle with a tory or liberal, but he was probably right. We dont have democracy, but if we did it would probaly be a complete disaster.

    Perhaps the best solution would be a television show hosted by Piers Morgan where we the public gets to decide if someone swings on the basis of telephone voting. It’s cheaper than the current system, its democratic, it would entertain the masses, and it would probably raise a few quid and very little helps when times get tough.

    It would keep Piers gainfully employed and out of mischief. You could even choose the means of execution by spinning a big wheel, or drawing a card out of a hat.

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  52. 102
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    State sponsered murder, Jesus they cant even get thier expenses right!

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  53. 105
    Simon says:

    You are wrong on CP. It won’t happen , we would have to leave EU for it too happen. CP is not a deterrent otherwise why would murders be so prevalent in USA.

    And yes you sound like Glenn Beck when you talk about CP ( that is not good)

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    • 210
      The Piss Soaked Tramp Formally Known As TAT! says:

      Yes but the gaping hole in that logic is if they don’t give a fuck about being killed under the CP in the USA why do you think they will give a fuck about being jailed for X amount of years? It’s a fallacy at best.

      Why pay for them.

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  54. 106
    Anonymous says:

    Come out with some Far Right crap and then pull in the proles by mentioning child and cop killers.

    Editing something like The Sun is probably Guido Fawkes’s end game. Reminds me of a certain Rebekah Brooks too, still going around championing her work on Sarah’s Law.

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  55. 107
    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    I’ll gladly sign the petition.

    Time we had a Swiss style democracy in Britain. If we did we would be having an In/Out EU referendum and one on restoring capital punishment for premeditated murder.

    If we can have a referendum on changing the voting system (that noone wanted, except the Lib Dems and Islington chateratti) then surely having one on capital punishment for child killers and cop killers is much more important!

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    • 115
      Billy Bellend says:

      Errrr … actually this petition is not about “premeditated murder”.

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      • 129
        Sybil Fawlty: Specialist subject -The bleeding obvious. says:

        All murder is premeditated otherwise it’s not murder. Basil!

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        • 170
          Tax Payer says:

          Kind of right, but not quite

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        • 191
          Billy Bellend says:

          In which case Guido’s petition is flawed as the killer’s of Baby P would not swing:

          “On 11 November 2008, Owen, 36, and his brother Barker, 32, were found guilty of “causing or allowing the death of a child or vulnerable person”. Connelly, 27, had pleaded guilty to this charge. Earlier in the trial, Owen and Connelly had been cleared of murder due to insufficient evidence. Barker was found not guilty of murder by a jury.”

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    • 150
      Peter expat says:

      Swiss style democracy is all very well for simple issues, but for something like remaining in the EU is hardly practical. Sure, depending on whatever the press whip up there would be little problem getting a ‘yes’ vote, but the sheer cost of disentangling ourselves would be horrendous. Politics aside, agreeing the unraveling of all the financial aspects alone would take years, during which we would have little influence over ongoing matters and be in a very weak position, neither in nor out.
      Far better to accept that we are stuck with it and try to make the best of it.

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  56. 109
    Screech Powers says:

    over stepped the line now. It’s all well and good to be right wing Hunts but this is just plain fucking stupid.

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  57. 112
    Just saying says:

    Please concentrate on Piers Morgan and other comparatively trivial matters.

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  58. 113
    BobRoberts says:

    This did make me wonder if Rebekah Brooks still thinks our prisons are a soft touch now she’s a little closer to them…

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  59. 114
    Bertie Wooster says:

    To all the namby pamby lefty toss pots the question of capital punishment is very very easily solved.

    If somebody murders your child, ten weeks inside and a safari in Africa to help the poor love get over their problems. If thats what you want.

    If they attack my family, however, death by a thousand rusty cuts with domestos poured in their eyes at regular intervals. Salt optional.

    Now drug addled shit heads , you take your chance with the next life you abuse. Maybe my deterent will save some lefty lives as well . Who knows?

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    • 135
      Billy Bellend says:

      It has nothing to do with being ‘namby pamby…’ The petition would be more realistic to demand that murderers serve a full life term in the harshest conditions possible. Yes, people would like to be able to ‘destroy’ anybody who attacks them or their family. In such cases you know who is the guilty person/s. Would you trust a jury of XFactor/Britains Got Talent lovers to decide if someone lives or dies?

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      • 169
        Tardkilller says:

        you mean the tarrif

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      • 176
        Bertie Wooster says:

        Full life means they would be quite happy to kill as many warders as they liked, they arent goetting out anyway.

        There will always be cock ups. Id be willing to accept I may be innocent and yet suffer the death penalty.

        Id rather take the risk of a wrong conviction than risk getting kicked to death outside my house by feral youths.

        On the subject of getting kicked to death, the shit heads that murdered the gu in Warrington. Where is the doubt there. They did it. Let the fuckers swing.

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    • 263
      Screech Powers says:

      If somebody murders my child, they are mentally ill and need help. Rusty cuts and domestos is the fantasy of a teenage video-game addict.

      Are you a teenage video game addict Bertie? I daresay even if you’re not, you probably spend a lot of time on your own wanking.

      chin up, son

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  60. 120
    A. Pierrepoint (decd.) says:

    Nothing like a bit of lynch-mobbery to fill out these dull days of the Silly Season.

    Perhaps you would be kind enough to post the addresses of suppliers of the requisite white robes, pointed hats, flaming crosses, Imperial Wizard and other regalia and, of course, hangman’s nooses, so that we may prepare ourselves for more exciting times.

    Of course limiting it to child murderers and “cop-killers” rather diminishes the sport. Could we please, for example, also lynch members of the police forces who murder innocent citizens on the streets of our cities?

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  61. 121
    labourunionsbbc we are one says:

    Can’t support this bill, even if it was for the police murdering innocent people (more of them than visa versa).

    I’m all for much stricter punishment (retribution) for the likes of baby P’ murderer and the scum who drive around with no insurance cock a hoop then run over children and kill them and can’t even be deported, let alone properly punished.

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  62. 122
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    http://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/statuses/96881482873831420/

    FFS Guido.

    Not true! Someof us dont believe in the death pen full stop.

    It is you with inconsistancey, you place the lives of children and cops above all others, surly even you understand all must be equal under the law?

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    • 137
      Billy Goat says:

      Billy stop simpering around the Blog. It is a fact of LAW that some crimes are cosidered worse than others. Torch a car and you will get a Peckham Rolex to wear, deliberately set fire to Her Majesty’s dockyard (which until very recently had the penaly of death) and you will serve decades of time.

      We all understand you don’t want the death penalty and we all understand why. But we are ALL pissed off with your posting Diarrhea.

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  63. 123
    Libertarian Justin says:

    To be accurate, this wouldn’t be “salus populi suprema est lex”. Possibly “ulciscor populi suprema est lex”.

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  64. 138
    roygbiv says:

    Yes, because as we all know, capital punishment serves as a deterrent and wherever it is found, there is no murder whatsoever.

    Sometimes, Guido, you’re on the money. On this one, you just sound like a ranting, vengeful nutter, I’m afraid.

    It might indeed be what a majority of people want, but that doesn’t make it right.

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  65. 140
    Icarus says:

    As the only one on this blog who was Capitally Punished, I suppose Guido, who never actually killed anyone never killed anyone after he was hung either.

    Capital Punishment is wrong -end of story.

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  66. 141
    Bob Swinger says:

    No I don’t agree with you. The death penalty doesn’t work as a deterrent. And also from time to time jurors get it wrong and innocent people get convicted. And having the state kill people is a fundamentally bad thing and morally wrong. Justice should be based on reason and common sense, not blood lust. Also we’d have to withdraw from the EU which (whether you like it or not) would totally destroy our economy.

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  67. 143
    Blind leading blind says:

    100% with you – if you can guarantee that the UK police and justice system can be right 100% of the time. Their record to date falls well short unfortunately.

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  68. 144
    Caligula's cat says:

    I have no objection to murderers being executed. My problem is if it’s the wrong person. The tragic Stefan Kiszko is one recent example of a man wrongly convicted as a child killer. He would have been killed for something he never did. Only a decent judge prevented the state railroading of Colin Stagg for a murder actually committed by someone else.

    While the system makes colossal miscarriages of justice the death penalty cannot be right.

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  69. 153
    Tardkilller says:

    state sponsored murder.. no thanks fawkes.

    chemical/physical castration and incarceration with hard labour

    Thats punishment!

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  70. 158
    Alan B says:

    Murder of children? Check

    Murder of Police on duty Check

    Have you considered Prison Officers? If not, why not??

    (Disclaimer: I have no links with the prison service.)

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      Caligula's cat says:

      It’s ludicrous to make a distinction over victims like this petition does. Why is the life of a police officer of more value than that of anyone else. Someone who tortured someone to death in the most atrocious manner possible, maybe did it many times, would be spared the death penalty as long as their victims weren’t children or a police officer. A mass murdering Yorkshire Ripper would have been incarcerated. The killer of one policeman would die.

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  71. 165
    nell says:

    Well I have to admit when you read about people like the killers of babyP being released soon and planning to set up home by the seaside living off benefits the death penalty looks very attractive.

    but……………does the state have the right to take life and how can you be 100% certain that such a sentence is right?. the state is very good at not getting things right.

    There’s no doubt that life should mean for a whole lifetime and such people should die in prison. That is justice.

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    • 237
      Is this the Daily Mail? says:

      Where the hell did you read about the Baby P killers being released ‘soon’? Nonsense. It’s just your idiotic right-wing ‘newspaper’ feeding you lies again.

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  72. 172
    Anonymous says:

    Capital punishment for drink driving maybe? Possession of Class A drugs too? Probably best to go back and kill anyone who got away with a slap on the wrist before too eh?

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    • 181
      Bertie Wooster says:

      Now your talking.

      Funnily enough ten years for twoc ing vehicles would result in a couple of convictions and then maybe no car thefts at all.

      One dick head would take a car, ten years . Next.

      Nah I’ll leave it.

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  73. 179
    Big Dan says:

    Guido,

    You are a witless Hunt. I suggest you stick to baiting other witless Hunts and leave the thinking to the real men. Or at least those with a couple of brain cells to bang together.

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  74. 182
    Penfold says:

    Our commissars and liegelords in brussels will have apoplexy.
    The chatterati in Islington and NW3 will choke on their prosecco.
    The hoi polloi will look to their PC manuals.
    The proles will cheer and demand action.

    The eventual outcome will be nothing happens.
    Our political class have no backbone, and will prostate themselves before the autarchics in the EU who cite “Human Rights” and the chatterati who will galvanise the liberal left media against such a move, i.e. the BBC.

    Shame really as i’m sure we all have a long list of tossers who we would like to see get the “Bridport Knife”, prefably live on prime time TV.

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    • 235
      Is this the Daily Mail? says:

      It’s only right-wing nutters and BBC-haters who go on about ‘human rights’. Seriously: what planet do you fools live on?

      Btw, ‘the hoi polloi’ is incorrect. ‘hoi’ is the aspirated definite article in Ancient Greek, i.e. it means ‘the’. So ‘the hoi polloi’ is ‘the the people’. Ignorant right-wing loons.

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  75. 183
    confused says:

    I don’t agree with the state murdering its citizens no matter how foul. I DO agree that life should mean life & that life should be WITHOUT all of the prison perks tv, letters, family visits etc etc After all their victim won’t be gettin any will they

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  76. 184
    Bill Melotti says:

    What sort of Conservative would ever support CP?

    I regard myself as on the right because I’m sick of Government telling me what to do, controlling my life through regulation, supply of their supposedly good services, taxation etc.

    What greater example of an overbearing government, than one which can kill its citizens, sometime in error, albeit after having followed a ‘process’, in cold blood and remain entirely unacountable for that?

    Life sentences should funnily enough have an option which we’re not afraid to use that means life. Or we go for American style 450-year sentences. If a bureaucratic mistake is made, at least you can let them out.

    I hope your campaign fails. I think it will. Of course you may increase your readership if the campaign is big enough. Oh hold on…

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  77. 189
    Sandalista says:

    I’m with guido if only to see the MPs squirm about whether or not to debate it at all.

    Who was the Labour MP who promised to put forward the “peoples’ wish” when he got a debate slot in the Commons only to backpeddle and insult said people?

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    • 196
      Axe The Telly Tax says:

      Interesting to see what Tom ‘Billy Bunter’ Watson says about it.

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    • 206
      Peter expat says:

      There is more to it than that. I used to see gung ho new councillors give up after one term because of frustration. They would approach another councillor for support for their particular interest and get responses like, sure I’ll vote for you, but I need you to vote for my thing. But I don’t agree with your thing. OK, suit yourself.
      They soon discovered the realities of politics and horse trading that involved having to support all sorts that they fundamentally disagreed with, in order to get something else through. It boiled down to just how much they hated something, against how much they wanted something else.

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  78. 190
    Joseph Yossarian says:

    Opinion of Guido has dropped.
    Stick to parliamentary stuff Guido.

    How to lose support – join the vengence brigade. Hang ‘em by their balls. Who cares if you find out 20 years later somebody else did it.

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  79. 194
    Henry says:

    Yeah?

    a) How many miscarriages of justice does it take before you realise that Capital punishment isn’t such a good idea?

    b) it’s revenge

    c) We KNOW it doesn’t work as a deterrant.

    d) the drawn out appeals process in the US..

    People have stupidly short memories, but mine is long. After the IRA pub bombings (in fact after every outrage) there are repeated calls for the death penalty to be restored. The Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 would have bee dead long before the problems with their convictions were brought to light (if they ever would have been)

    Still convinced about the death penalty?

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  80. 202
    Corridor of Uncertainty says:

    Guido, Are you nuts? Any casual reader of your blog will spot a recurring theme that Governments make a hash out of pretty much anything they get their hands on and now you want to have them legislate to be able to actually kill people. No thanks.

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  81. 203
    Tom says:

    So what example does the death penalty set for children when they see that the state has the right to kill people?

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  82. 204
    Dick Robinson says:

    If I put my real name in will the government put me on a “potential Brevik” list?

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  83. 205
    Political pundit. says:

    At least this blog has aired some rather surprising views.

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  84. 209
    Hava Nagila says:

    The government cannot be trusted to buy a £250 computer without making a mess of it and you want to trust them with people’s lives?

    For a self-proclaimed Oirishman, I’m perplexed that you would support a system which would have seen your fellow travellers in the Birmingham Six, Maguire Seven and Guildford Four dancing the Tyburn jig.

    Granted, innocent or guilty, nothing of value would be lost if you string up a paddy but it’s still a confusing stand for you to take. Begorrah.

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  85. 211
    Kevin T says:

    How do you actually view the existing e-petitions?

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/index.html

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  86. 212
    A black cap says says:

    A few points:
    1. What does Europe say? Execution severly compromises your human rights.
    2. If you lock up someone for life and throw away the key, think of the problems this gives the Prison Service with no hopers who are just devouring oxygen waiting for natural death. Bed blocking by another name.
    3. Deterrence works.
    4. Advances in technology make wrongful conviction less likely especially if all convictions are subject to review and confirmation.
    5. Having the ultimate deterrent does not mean it has to be used.
    6. The majority of people want this, just like the referendum on Europe.
    7. Treason should be a capital offence. We have plenty of candidates….

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      Is this the Daily Mail? says:

      “3. Deterrence works.
      4. Advances in technology make wrongful conviction less likely especially if all convictions are subject to review and confirmation.”

      3. No it doesn’t. Never has; never will.
      4. Bollocks. Advances in technology make juries more likely to convict on flimsy evidence because they’ve watched too much CSI.

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      • 248
        A black cap says:

        Bet you don’t support hunting either.

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        • 262
          Hava Nagila says:

          That’s a great non-sequitur. Kudos.

          Can you provide some evidence of your assertion on deterrence, please?

          FYI, evidence would consist of some kind of external source(s) containing researched material produced by an unbiased source. It would not consist of saying “Deterrence works, you facking communist. I bet you hate Baby Jesus. You’re probably a facking Muslim”.

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          • Anonymus says:

            Come come.
            its very unfair to assume he’s some sort of eastending type of chap.

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          • A black cap says:

            It is possible to provide statistics to prove almost anything and it seems unwise to start that sort of argument. What is important is that capital punishment could be used if appropriate, nothing more or less.
            By appropriate, I mean a crime that society deems as such. Now we can discuss what that might mean.

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  87. 219
    That's News says:

    Interesting to note that Capital punishment was only formally abolished in 1990 in Ireland, though no death sentence had been carried out since the mid-1950s.

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  88. 222
    Mercian says:

    I fully agree with this. A great initiative. May it be the first of many.

    Even on a strictly utilitarian basis (greatest good for the greatest number) capital punishment makes sense.

    There are far more murders carried out by people released from prison after their first murder than there ever were miscarriages of justice where the wrong person got hanged.

    It could also be a way of making common cause with some of our immigrant friends who tend to have more robust ideas on law and order than the wet liberal do-gooders we have in parliament and elsewhere.

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    • 229
      Is this the Daily Mail? says:

      “There are far more murders carried out by people released from prison after their first murder than there ever were miscarriages of justice where the wrong person got hanged.”

      Not good enough. You’re sacrificing people who suffer miscarriages of justice on the alter of your vengeance.

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      • 253
        Drunk Lawyer says:

        This country has much bigger problems than your bloodlust, Fawkes. Most people would consider the absence of capital punishment a non-issue if the tabloids didn’t bang on about it as the epilogue to a major murder case. It’s not going to disuade people from committing the most serious of crimes – just look at Texas – but what it would do is put even more pressure on a criminal justice system which is creaking at the seams.

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    • 264
      Hava Nagila says:

      I think you could lead by example on this matter. Since, as you say, you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs and since the loss of a few hundred innocent people would be a small price to pay for the sheer fun of lynching someone, I think you should hang yourself right now.

      If you did that, you’d be demonstrating to the Negative Noras that hanging is no big thing. Given that you’re quit happy to see random citizens murdered by the state to satisfy your snuff fantasies, it’s not unreasonable to ask you to put your money where your mouth is.

      If you have your way, I’ll be in constant danger of being executed for things I did not do and you say that this is fine and peachy. Isn’t it only fair that you demonstrate a willingness to back up your words with actions by voluntarily becoming our first scapegoat?

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        Mercian says:

        “If you have your way, I’ll be in constant danger of being executed for things I did not do”

        The alternative is to be in even more danger of being murdered by someone released from prison after a ‘life’ sentence of a few years.

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  89. 224
    Anonymous says:

    You haven’t thought this through. Under your system, the mothers wrongly convicted of killing babies who had, in reality, died of cot death would have been executed. So would Derek Bentley – the man whose execution helped bring the end of capital punishment in the UK.

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  90. 225
    Churchill's Scissors beat Hitler's Paper says:

    it’s stuff like this that seriously undermines guido’s credibility with me.

    a self-proclaimed libertarian in favour of giving the state the power to kill its own citizens when they pose no threat (life imprisoment does the job just as well, easier to reverse in light of new evidence though), when the state has bungled it plenty in the past, and despite the fact the policy does not act as a deterrent statistically?

    and complaining that the law should change because of the vindictiveness of the majority? is guido just bloody stupid? human rights are not decided by the public, they are decided by a rational process. or should we listen to the majority of the public when they tell us to deport all muslims, or bring back slavery? fuck guido on this one.

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    • 238
      That's News says:

      My late father told me that one reason for the apparent increase of murder convictions was that when there was the death penalty a jury might really not be keen on finding someone guilty, as they knew the outcome would be death.

      After the death penalty was abolished juries could find someone guilty happy in the knowledge that should they later be proven innocent they could be let out of jail. Previously had new evidence come to light the best they could have hoped for was the prison govenor standing near their unmarked grave in the prison grounds and shouting: “We are really, really sorry we executed you, when it was someone else who committed the murder. Sorry!!!

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  91. 226
    A black cap says:

    Seems the social scientists/labour trolls are out in force.
    Not entirely O/T,
    I have not seen anyone analyse the recent murders in Norway other than to say the perpetrator was mad.
    Anyone have a view, on a sliding scale, how much immigration can take place before tolerance begins to decline? I would have thought that this would be quite easy to plot on a graph.
    Deniers would say it can all be prevented by multiculti integration (wanted or not by the immigrants). Deferred, rather like the Euro bailout, with a reckoning coming later others might say.
    We might need Guido’s petition to help the Police.
    Perhaps the whole subject is off limits…

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  92. 227
    Joesph Alan Jones says:

    Capital punishment is a deterrent. They do not do it again!

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    • 241
      roygbiv says:

      Yes, very good. It may stop reoffending for that particular crime, give the sickoes a good capital punishment countdown once in a while and some hacks some lovely lurid stories to tell, it will do fk all about increasing public safety in general.

      I wonder what Guido suggests he would have done with Venables and Thompson? Keep them locked up till a statutory age when they could be executed? Or would he advocate executing children as well? Both sound the mark of a society that we need protected from.

      As for the Swiss style democracy comments – yes, that kind of democracy works if your average intelligence in the population is above that of a reactionary neanderthal. This concept, I would cautiously suggest, would not translate particularly well to the UK.

      Thank god for the lawmakers who protect us from the worst of ourselves.

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  93. 228
    Is this the Daily Mail? says:

    “It is not even an issue for parliamentarians even though the incidence of homicide is higher now than it was before the abolition of hanging.”

    Oh come on, you can’t get away with that. There are too many factors involved for such a simplistic correlation to be valid, and you omit any figures (is the higher rate statistically relevant?).

    How about looking at the States: the murder rate is very high and it has capital punishment.

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  94. 232
    Two Nations says:

    The State is corrupt and will always be corrupt. All facets of the State suffer this corruption – the Police, the Courts and Parliament. Therefore, the State can never have the right to kill citizens.

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  95. 243
    Culloden says:

    Well Guido, I wish I’d been smoking what you’ve been smoking. Please refrain from blogging whilst completely out of your mind.

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  96. 260
    Jimmy says:

    I see that born-again Catholic schtick didn’t last long.

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    • 271
      editor says:

      Guido knows his Roman Catechism:

      ‘Another kind of lawful slaying belongs to the civil authorities, to whom is entrusted power of life and death, by the legal and judicious exercise of which they punish the guilty and protect the innocent. The just use of this power, far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this Commandment which prohibits murder. The end of the Commandment is the preservation and security of human life. Now the punishments inflicted by the civil authority, which are the legitimate avengers of crime, naturally tend to this end, since they give security to life by repressing outrage and violence. Hence these words of David: “In the morning I put to death all the wicked of the land, that I might cut off all the workers of iniquity from the city of the Lord.”‘

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      • 272
        Jimmy says:

        Ah I see, a Mel Gibson catholic.

        2267 The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty, when this is the only practicable way to defend the lives of human beings effectively against the aggressor.
        “If, instead, bloodless means are sufficient to defend against the aggressor and to protect the safety of persons, public authority should limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
        “Today, in fact, given the means at the State’s disposal to effectively repress crime by rendering inoffensive the one who has committed it, without depriving him definitively of the possibility of redeeming himself, cases of absolute necessity for suppression of the offender ‘today … are very rare, if not practically non-existent.’

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        • 278
          Anonymous says:

          editor is right, and calling him a “Mel Gibson catholic” is lame. Are you a John Kerry catholic?

          “The traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude, presupposing full ascertainment of the identity and responsibility of the offender, recourse to the death penalty…”

          This is true. What follows it is John Paul II’s PERSONAL OPINION about the prudential situation. As Ratzinger said, “If a Catholic were to be at odds with [John Paul II] on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.”

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          • Jimmy says:

            The entire passage is from the catechism. The current one. It’s not anyone’s personal opinion. Except God’s obviously.

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  97. 266
    Anonymous says:

    right, so you’re by and large against the state but you agree that it should have the power to kill people?

    rubbish libertarian.

    “All polls show that there is majority support for capital punishment”

    a billion flies dining on shite does not enoble the practice.

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  98. 269
    Jimmy says:

    Are many children killed in the line of duty?

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  99. 270
    Eye for an Eye says:

    Could you extend it to people who bludgeon mothers to death in front of their children, terrorists and people who murder OAPs?

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  100. 273
    Bye Bye Huhne says:

    Voter support for this you say?

    House of twits currently has a vote on this.

    “Vote 89 – Do you support the death penalty?”

    Yes – 13 No – 164

    Yeah, clear support there.

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  101. 275
    Anonymous says:

    And like most libertarians you end up being a selfish conservative whose happy for there to be a large state as long as it does what you want it to.

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  102. 277
    Badbobby says:

    There are cases where the majority are wrong, this is one.

    I think you quoted Cicero in the article Guido, this is also Cicero: “In anger nothing right nor judicious can be done.”

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  103. 279
    Mr Bridger says:

    Hanging’s too good for them. NAIL EM UP I SAY. NAIL SOME SENSE INTO THEM!

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  104. 280
    cube says:

    stop being a populist dickhead guido, cheers

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  105. 281
    DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

    Yeah, just think, they have the death penalty in the USA, and murder is almost unknown there, isn’t it? Great deterrent.

    Guido, please stop being such a cock.

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  106. 284
    Rudolf says:

    We need to bring back Lord Braxfield, Scotland’s much feared “hanging judge”. One of his sayings was: “”Hang a thief when he´s young, and he´ll no steal when he´s auld.”

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  107. 287

    It’s cheaper and more punishing to put people in prison for life. And capital punishment laws don’t just kill the innocent, but also let the guilty go free, for two reasons: 1) police are reluctant to reopen investigations in which someone has already been executed for the crime when new evidence emerges; 2) juries often let clearly guilty people go because they oppose capital punishment or don’t feel sure enough to condemn someone to death, even when beyond reasonable doubt. I can see nothing in JS Mill that would support state-sponsored murder.

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  108. 290
    HappyUK says:

    Fair enough but why not make the death penalty apply just as much to killer cops as cop killers?

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  109. 297
    Hang on a minute... says:

    Why is a copper’s life worth more than mine? Most of them these days are fat, shaven-headed, lazy, stupid idlers looking for easy targets (i.e. motorists) overtime and early retirement and big pensions preferably on the strength of ‘stress’.

    They couldn’t give a toss about your house that’s been ransacked, and will nick you if you lift a finger against tosser that attacks you.

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  110. 306
    Anonymous says:

    What about nonce priests then Guido? Just move ‘em along to the next parish, eh?

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  111. 307
    Andrew says:

    Sod off and stay sodded off. Not in my name.

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  112. 313
    Hang The Bastards says:

    Guido

    Great Petition. About time you made these spineless so called peoples representatives get off their useless arses and do what we elect them to do.

    And ignore the child-murderi-hugging lefties…. They dont have a fucking clue. Its twats like them that put the rights of the killer above the victim.

    The population will be with you…….. You’ll get a million on the petition… EASY !

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  113. 315
    Plato says:

    Guido, you obviously do not understand the No10 petition site, why it was set up and how it works. Take it from someone who has placed a number of petitions on the site, all have wide support from the public, and exactly fuck all ha been done about it by our political masters. The site is a democratic fig leaf just as are all our Ombudmen, to make us think we have representation, when we have none and are listened to when we are not. You are wasting your time.

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  114. 316
    Annon says:

    Albert Einstein The Death penalty said, It is an outward sign of Barbarism

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  115. 317
    Anonymous says:

    no no no … this is tabloid bullshit .. you are doing such good work here … dont fuck it up !!

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  116. 318
    badstephen says:

    In 1992, Bill Clinton broke off his Presidential campaign and returned to Arkansas to ensure, as State Governor, the execution of a prisoner so mentally impaired, he left a piece of pie in his cell to finish after the execution. That guy died for one reason and one reason only – so the Republicans could not attack Bill Clinton as soft on crime. What makes you so confident our own dear politicians will behave any better?

    It’s entertaining how you’re always bangs on about limiting government’s power to control our lives, but when it comes to the greatest power of all, life and death, you want to hand it over to the bastards willy-nilly.

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  117. 319
    Kevin T says:

    Possibly an even better liberal quote on the death penalty –

    “While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes – mass murder, the rape and murder of a child – so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment.”

    – Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope

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  118. 321
    Thom says:

    No.

    I’m with Old Holborn on this; why encourage the state to commit more murder than it already does?

    Better to campaign for personal weapons and repeallment of the concealed weapons regulations; better to allow people to stop murderers before they murder and let the law decide their case.

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  119. 323
    Annon says:

    Guido “you dont get it”, Please dont put people like me ,we ,us in a position of defending the indefeasible the like of say, Ian Brady the Vile Evil bastard, you are wrong on this one, read your history

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  120. 324
    Anonymous says:

    True colours, you right wing, authoritarian cocksucker.

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    • 357
      Little Scotlander says:

      Why cannot these anonymous folk reveal themselves? More likely they are the cock suckers.

      And what, may I ask is wrong with being authoritarian? A libertarian can simultaneously be an authoritarian if it is the will of the people. Libertarians merely accept that the people’s wishes must be followed: if the government had followed the wishes of the people then we would live in a better society.

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  121. 328
    David says:

    This campaign will put the wind up the PC zealots. Maybe at last the voice of the people will be heard.

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  122. 329
    Anonymous says:

    Stick to the hacking stuff Mate. You’re totally embarrassing yourself with this one.

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  123. 330
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, you really are a tw*t, aren’t you.

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    • 358
      Little Scotlander says:

      No, Anonymous, you are a twat- you will not identify yourself. Guido is speaking for all decent law-abiding citizens on this one.

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  124. 331
    Little Scotlander says:

    Bring back hanging!!! The people demand the death penalty and we will not be ignored- the killing of innocent children is a travesty!!!

    People who oppose hanging are not fit to be parents in my view. P.S. I vote SNP, not Tory!!!

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  125. 332
    Flashbuck says:

    Of course the death penalty deters… Why is it that when sentenced to death most murderers appeal against the sentence to try and get a life sentence instead?

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  126. 333
    Private Eye says:

    Guaranteeing petitions with more than X votes a parliamentary debate is going to lead to some very silly bills, such as:

    Restore the death penalty.
    Stop immigration.
    Put gypsies in jail.
    Confiscate bankers mansions and sports cars.
    Bring back the GLC.

    I’d rather that politicians did some good work rather than pandering to a bunch of fruitcakes. Difficulty is how to define what constitutes “good work”, and how to quantify it.

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    • 334
      Little Scotlander says:

      And would be wrong with wanting to bring back hanging and stopping immigration and confiscating bankers’ assets, Private Eye? The voice of the people must be heard and cannot be wrong. Politicians are our representatives and must do as we ask of them! Alex Salmond will accede to our wishes, so why won’t David Cameron????

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  127. 339
    ''Thin Blue Line'' says:

    This is an excellent idea. Uk citizens have no idea just how many convicted murderers and perpetrators of manslaughter are currently on the streets ready to repeat their horribly cruel sadistic offences. Oh and of course in Open Prisons ! What a joke ! Please for get the events that pre date The Police And Criminal Evidence Act 1984 , things are far different in present day. Look at the plethora of evidence provided in the form of DNA and CCTV, let alone admissions and of course evidence provided by eye witnesses. Let every convicted murderer lose his life, but not by hanging , lethal injection will do nicely and is far more humane. Murdering a child/baby is so difficult to prove, just look at the number of trials involving two defendants and a child with multiple injuries. But regardless of who is murdered every felon should receive a CP penalty, it should not be instituted just for Police Officers and children. Europe is a joke and too soft, look at the poor people of Norway with 77 innocent young lives lost and that madman looking down the barrels of a 21 year sentence !!! How obscene ! I urge everyone to sign the petition and write to their MP’s. And for those that are waivering and don’t believe me submit a Freedom of Information request, and when you receive the result increase your home and personal security. Oh and while I’m on the subject don’t for get the immigrant murderers that are entering the UK too. I tell you now we haven’t got a clue who is in this Country and neither do the over stretched UKBA. I would settle for a life meaning life sentence but I resent my taxes being used to keep them alive, especially when pensioners are treated so badly. In any event the prisons are so over crowded………..Take care

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  128. 340
    Anonymous says:

    Shame on you.

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  129. 341
    james wilson says:

    I think that Guido is harbouring a masterplan here. I think that he has chosen this topic for the Epetiton purely to show that the Government of the day will maybe debate it and then discard it. A Spindoctors attempt to show that we, in Britain, have a democracy. But Guido’s idea is that that will show that the Government of the day doesn’t give a fig about what the people of Britain want. I happen to think that this is a brilliant bit of strategy. We have long ago lost so-called ‘Democracy’ in Britain. We have killed hundreds of thousands of people in the past ten years to enable those people’s countries to have our version of so-called ‘Democracy’. God help them!
    Just yesterday, I started part 1 of a blog on our so-called ‘Democracy’ in Britain’
    Basically, it is asking the simple question – do politicians represent us, or do they rule us?
    Guido came up with a phrase today that I absolutely loved. He mentioned something called ‘unrepresentative democracy’ I absolutely agree, as that is what we have in Britain today. But, to do anything about it, we first have to prove it. That is where Guido’s latest ruse is sheer brilliance. So even if you do not believe in bringing back the death penalty, support this Epetition. The death penalty will never be brought back on to the Law Books of Britain. However, it is a fantastic chance to show up our politicians for the retards that they are.

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  130. 342
    james wilson says:

    I should have mentioned that my ‘blog’ is on Google+, which I am very new to. I would think that if anyone is interested, then if you Google ‘ShottsJimmy’ or ‘Jim Wilson’ you just might be directed to it, though truthfully, I have no idea. I am not what is called tech-savvy. Any help from IT geeks would be appreciated. E-mail address – ShottsJimmy@talktalk.net

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  131. 343
    Richard Dawson says:

    My brother was murdered in 98 and I can tell you despite that nothing would persuade me to support the state taking another’s life.

    The issues:

    -death penalty will not bring back the victim

    -executing the wrong person (even DNA and other expert evidence can be wrong)

    -death penalty is not a deterrent as the evidence from the US shows .Murders are committed either in the heat of the moment where there is no assessment of the consequences or in cold blood where the murderer thinks they won’t get caught.

    -death penalty will make juries less likely to convict and go for manslaughter (see US again)

    -the media circus surrounding the appeal process and execution wold cause huge distress to the relatives

    -what message are we sending out about the sanctity of human life if we sanction cold blooded judicial murder.

    So that leaves ‘vengeance’ as the only reason which is pretty pathetic really.

    I am lucky the killers are still in Prison despite passing the minimum period of detention 10 and 12 years respectively and look to stay a while yet .Our views on their continued detention are continually sought.I am satisfied with the present system.

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    • 359
      Little Scotlander says:

      Richard, whilst I am sorry to hear of your brother’s murder, I hope with total sincerity that you do not have children and that you never have children. No good parent- or brother for that matter- would oppose capital punishment. Capital punishment is acceptable because:

      1. The killing of a murder prevents them from killing again.

      2. Even if a person is wrongly executed, the chances are that they will be a criminal anyway (most people indited for murder have been convicted for other crimes), so the state is ridding our streets of wrongdoers, and no real sane person weeps over the death of a criminal.

      3. Capital punishment is endorsed by the Bible- not only in the Ten Commandments but also by Our Lord himself. If Jesus Christ did not believe in capital punishment, he would not have accepted his own sentence of death.

      4. The threat of death would also make criminals think twice about both carrying and using weapons in the furtherance of crime. Before 1965, it was rare for robbers to carry firearms, and more especially to use them in the course of crime.

      I suggest Richard that you stop thinking about the criminals and think about people such as your brother. Criminals deserve no sympathy whatsoever, and I would not lose one night’s sleep if some crim, wrongly convicted of murder, was sent to the execution chamber, for he’d only be getting what he deserved.

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      • 361
        Joseph Yossarian says:

        Oh, right, it says it’s ok in the Sandpit Book of Genocide therefore it’s fine.

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      • 363
        Umclench says:

        Don’t you fucking dare pretend that killing is more moral, you despicable fuck.

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        • 366
          Little Scotlander says:

          Killing wrong-doers is not only acceptable by the ordinance of the Bible, but it is also acceptable to any libertarian. I am sure that Guido himself would agree that the state must have a monopoly on violence, in order to prevent disorder and unrest.

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  132. 344
    james wilson says:

    ShottsJimmy here. Just to prove my non-tech-savvy credentials, I have ascertained that the E-mail address I use for Google+ is the following. ShottsJimmy@gmail.com. You will find my blog under ‘Documentation’.

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  133. 349
    Mr Hypoxia says:

    Keeping people who commit appalling crimes in jail for 30 years plus at public expense is completely unnaceptable. They need to be executed and the most humane method is hypoxia or oxegen starvation to the brain. This was investigated by Michael Portillo in a TV program. Just Google ‘Portillo’ + ‘hypoxia’ for details.

    We have a chance here to kill the right people instead of the wrong people as is usually the case. But, as we all know, MPs have to be dragged kicking and screaming by the hair before they will do right thing. They will cling on to methods that don’t work until we are standing in the ruins of civilization.

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  134. 350

    I saw someone say that we should have attempted execution for attempted murder. Put the accused in a building in Iraq, tell the US exactly where it is and let them launch a cruise-missile at it. Likelihood is that a nearby hospital will get taken out and they’ll survive but it might give them brown pants.

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  135. 352
    Stewart Cotterill says:

    As well as the two sections of society that have already been mentioned, I would include DNA convicted rapists (they have violated a woman/man and left them feeling dead inside), ALL murderers and anyone caught making paedophilic material or those who are caught with that type of material of the highest category on their computers.

    I would like the government to consider that if a court finds a top level drug “boss” guilty of distribution on a large scale (the figures of which would have to be determined by an Act of Parliament or Statutory Instrument) that they also be sentenced to the death penalty.

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  136. 354
    question says:

    Would any of the pro death lot consider torture as a compromise?

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    • 356
      Little Scotlander says:

      I would agree with both torture and capital punishment. Criminals have it too good and the voice of the people must be heard. If we have capital punishment and torture, people will be too afraid to commit crimes. The state must have the right to oppress wrong-doers.

      We will have capital punishment back in Scotland before England does- the SNP administration will listen to us. Alex Salmond is for the people, not the do-gooders.

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  137. 355
    smelly cheese burger says:

    Can we not petition for the death penalty for being a copper?

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  138. 360
    val says:

    With modern forensics and a new law whereby anyone withholding information, that proves a person is or cannot be guilty, should face criminal charges, this includes the defence. Life should mean the duration of that persons life but the likes of ken clarke will always be looking at ways to save money and let them out of their comfortable cells early cos lets face it it doesn’t affect the likes of them. Neither hanging or life in prison will deter all would be killers, they never expect to get caught but it would deter some. Lets stop giving consideration to these scumbags with cosy cells, laptops’ tv and human rights. Either hang them or make them suffer for the rest of their lives.

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  139. 362
    Umclench says:

    Oh, you fuckwad. Thanks a fucking bunch for reintroducing this concept, you Hunt.

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  140. 364
    Beverley Keenan says:

    Although I personally would like to see a deterrent in this country for murder it would not have helped my family when my brother was brutally murdered as the coniving lawyers made a deal and got the animal away with murder he received manslaughter with provocation!!! even though he said on the stand he WAS NOT PROVOKED BYANYTHING SAID OR DONE BY MY BROTHER!!! he escaped with a 7 year sentence of which he served 4 years 8 months. Had the deterrent of hanging or lethal injection have been around I am quite sure this murder could have been prevented.

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  141. 365
    Aldo says:

    The death penalty is gone for good I’m afraid. It would be far more useful to launch a petition calling for automatic whole life tarrifs for anyone convicted of murder. The government should state exactly how many extra cells / prisons would have to be built and which aspects of European / British human rights law would have to be ignored, altered or repealed in order for this to be done.

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  142. 367
    what_to_do says:

    I am one of the ones who agrees with the death penalty. However, an alternative would be, stick the person in a room with the family and loved ones of the person they have hurt. If they come out alive, fair enough, if they don’t then they shouldn’t have done it in the first place. I know people who have been murdered and also loved ones have lost family members through murder. Maybe if our justice system took things seriously and favoured the victim instead of the criminal then this country would be a nicer place to live!

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  143. 369
    TRUBRIT says:

    not sure of cost to keep a prisoner per year,,but say £25,000,multiply that by say 50 years,,£1,250,000 of taxpayers money to keep just one person who murdered ,raped or terrorist crime,for his lifetime,,multiply that by the hundreds we have in custody now,,its unthinkable,,if they are convicted of a capital crime they should face the death penalty,and save us taxpayers and our country a whole lot of money

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  144. 371
    Limv says:

    As long as there is 100% proof that the person on death row is guilty then I say do it but if there is doubt then they should get life and LIFE should be LIFE! Stop this ‘mentally ill’ stuff if they have killed then they should be punished. Everyone can flip if pressure is put on them etc. And prisons should be tough with basics not a place of comfort. Ian huntley with his own living quaters because of his safetywhat a joke!! STOP this rubbish of human rights- if they have killed someone a new law SHOULD be made that their human rights are no more. What about the human rights of the person they killed? It’s a joke. I just think of a recent case that tax payers money went to pay for a change of appearance of a certain women who killed her fiancé in the 90’s.WHAT?!!! She has shown no remorse for what she had done but she still gets out! What on earth is going on!!
    I now live out of the country and the amount of people from other countries that critise the uk’s justice system is unbelievable! The Uk is a joke to other countries. I didn’t realise how bad the Uk was until I moved away. The Uk justice system is to much about the human rights of the killers and not the victims. This needs to change.

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  145. 372
    Anonymous says:

    I am willing to be added as a signatory to the petition for a debate to be held on the restoration of capital punishment for certain types of crime including but not exclusive to the murder of emergency service personnel when performing in the line of their duties and for child killers and terrorists.

    P. Matthews
    Teacher

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  146. 373
    RAYMOND says:

    After this petition why not one on the HUMAN RIGHTS ACT

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  147. 374
    Anonymous says:

    I agree with the restoration of the death penalty for all murders! A murdered child is just as dead as a murdered policeman, a murdered spouse, a murdered mugger’s victim, a murdered shopkeeper, or any other victim of murder.

    The debate should only be over the means of execution.

    There should also be a time limit for the defendant to face trial, and it should not be used as an opportunity for lawyers to feast and grow rich on the back of the trial. If the facts are clear, then the trial should be almost immediate.

    The emotive fact is that the majority of children are murdered by women; however, in these times of non-sexual discrimination, who will bang the drum?

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  148. 376
    Attillas right hand man says:

    Remember that when the death penalty for murder was repealed in 1965 we were told by (always truthful!!) politicians that this would be replaced by a “Life sentence”, and we were given the impression that this would mean “Life” ie; “Not coming out again”, we now know that this was a sop to get the vote thro, and that we were lied to from a great height. (a la EU vote, Euro commission on human rights etc etc).
    We are not a people who want blood dripping from every lamppost, or everyone who breaks a minor law strung up, but we are a nation that as a general rule, believe in the rule of law, and are happy to abide by said laws. However we demand that when someone decides of their own volitian, to disregard those laws, we as a society demand that we have all appropriate sanctions, including the ultimate one.

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  149. 377
    Darby says:

    I am in favour of reinstituting the death sentence – though not only for child-killers or cop-killers – as long as the judges have discretion.
    The problem was that a judge had no option but to give a death sentence if a guilty verdict was reached, when it was not always merited; in cases of spousal abuse, for instance.
    If the judges had had the choice, Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis would probably not have been hanged.

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  150. 379
    Mik says:

    Perhaps they should look at torturing all paedophiles too. To prevent repeat attacks they should have tougher sentencing less privileges and a more primitive prison system altogether. Cash saved should go to protection for children. Cops should carry weapons, sad but true, this is the future we face in this mixed cultured country. Gun crime is getting worse so how can we have the majority of police unarmed????!!!

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  151. 380
    A Mother says:

    I used to think that the death penalty was barbaric but with the increase in recent years of the most heinous crimes against children, I believe this is all these monsters deserve. We cosset criminals, excuse their evil behaviour with promises of therapy and compassion, when they have shown none. A sociopath/psychopath has NO empathy and no moral core in the same way as ‘normal’ people do.

    The death penalty should be brought back for murder.

    What we also need are judges that give proper sentences for all the other crimes and where it is a crime of theft or fraud, that amount +interest is made to be paid back to the victim. The law in the UK has become a joke and as an honest, hard working tax payer I resent my taxes being used to subsidise this.

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  152. 381
    graham says:

    Restore the death penalty retrospective and have a bloody good clearout of all the current convicted murderers so that does send a message to potential murderers

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  153. 382
    Anon says:

    Look back in history, in my lifetime one murder was newspaper headlines, now, the headlines are more often affairs of the celebs. or how much footballers earn, inside you will often get six or more murders a day taking just a paragraph each. I wander how many that would be if capital punishment was brought back !!!

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  154. 383
    Deep Froat says:

    Seven times I’ve tried to sign the petition. Seven times the site has crapped out.

    It’s almost as if the Government were nobbling the result……..

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  155. 384
    Anonymous says:

    KW: Initial sentence – mandatory 25yrs, with ALL eveidence considered. If found guilty of second murder – `membership of the human race `cancelled. Murder of police, prison officers mandatory death sentence from the outset! Child killers? LIFE should mean LIFE!!

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  156. 386
    Sonja Talboys says:

    I most certainly want the death sentence to be brought back as long as it is 100% the person did commit the crime.

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