June 24th, 2011

YouGov: 51% Want Ban On Taxpayer Funded Union Staff

A Taxpayers’ Alliance and YouGov poll shows more than half the country would like to see an end to the controversial practice of public sector union officials being paid while they do union activity instead of working. As the unions don’t have to pay their staff and national organisers, they can spend the money raised through subs on political activity, like funding the Labour Party.

The TPA reckon that at least £67 million is being diverted from frontline services into the pockets of union officials. As Guido has been showing you over the last few months, these officials are up to no good. If the unions want staff they should pay for them out of union subs. Guido isn’t surprised the public are rejecting this absurd loophole.

UPDATE: Given this insight into the public mood, perhaps the Tories own taxpayer funded operation, the Parliamentary Resources Unit, might like to retract their amber warning to MPs over David Morris’ EDM calling for a ban:


  1. 1
    Alex Sarson says:

    Ban all unions, they have no place in modern day society, especially during times like this. They should shut up.

    When these strikes occur, round up the lot of them and sack them. Don’t offer them any second chance. A job in today’s climate is golden, don’t moan about what you get!

  2. 2
    boulay says:

    surprised it is only 51%. or are the other 49% pilgrims themselves?

  3. 3
    Engineer says:

    It might be reasonable for employers to allow some leeway if Union officials’ activities relate directly and exclusively to disputes and employment concerns of that firms’ or establishments’ employees. Anything relating to wider political matters should be funded exclusively by the Union, and if the official is given leave of absence to attend to such matters, it should be unpaid.

  4. 4
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    Only 51% ?


  5. 5
    vince says:

    The other 49% probably don’t even know what planet they’re on.

  6. 6
    boulay says:

    i suppose there are around 35% of the population who are completely fucking brain-dead and would vote for labour whatever happens so i imagine that they comprise part of the other 49%. where the others come from god only knows….

  7. 7
    Ah! Monika says:

    Rather like giving your executioner time off to buy the rope

  8. 8
    A Nation of Brain Deads, says:

    Only 51%? Is 49% of Britain really that thick?

  9. 9
    Anonymous says:

    51% is hardly a public rejection. That figure will probably be +/- something, so… it could be a public rejection of not having tax funded unions. I like how Taxpayers Alliance is trying to spin the stat tho… worthy of a gov department!

  10. 10
    Anonymous says:

    The Taxpayers’ Alliance says…

    Anything their right-wing working-class destroying paymasters tell them to…

  11. 11
    Richard says:

    Blimey Alex, if you were pressured into doing two hours a day of unpaid overtime or bullied by your boss, wouldn’t you want a union behind you?

    I don’t have a big problem with public sector union officials not being paid while they do union activity though.

  12. 12
    Ah! Monika says:

    + or – 49%

  13. 13
    Tell it like it really is says:

    Next You Gov poll:

    1) Should this country withdraw from the EU now?

    2) Should there be an immediate ban on any more immigration to this country?

    3) Should there be an immediate ban on using the “Human Rights Farce” as
    an excuse to continue avoiding justice including deportation of criminals etc?

    These are the most important issues to the majority of legal British people.

  14. 14
    Engineer says:

    Not in favour of banning Unions, as they can do good work in resolving disputes in the complex field of employment law. For example, after five changes in company ownership over about ten years, but still doing the same job in the same workplace, a relative of mine was unable to ascertain which former employer still had legal responsibility for his pension fund. The Union official was the only person with the knowledge to navigate through the complexity of the mess, and was thanked by the latest employer for his constructive input to the matter.

    Where Unions get it wrong is in the belief that they must act as a sort of cross between class warriors and political rabble-rousers. In doing that, they destroy most of the goodwill they earn from the public in looking after individual employees’ interests.

  15. 15
    Selohesra says:

    Bring on a windfall tax on the unions like Labour did on the privatised utilities. If they have enough money to waste on strike pay and funding Labour this sghould raise quite a bit.

  16. 16
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    I suspect that most teachers do not realise that part of their subscriptions goes to the Labour Party rather than wholly to the union to support its staff or their causes. As with most aspects of life, some people like Pilgrim take advantage and rip the ass out of reasonable time off for union matters.

  17. 17
    Fixed says:

    YouGov never asked me about this and I religiously answer all their polls in an effort to get the £50.

  18. 18
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Surely that is an integral part of his job. A bit like suggesting to a plumber that you won’t be paying for any time that he spends going to buy copper pipes.

    It also sounds like industrial relationships worse than the 1970s if you compare it to that of an executioner and the death row inmate.

  19. 19
    The Colonel says:

    I have NEVER been asked anything in a POLL – where do they conduct them? Certainly not in rural Herefordshire!

  20. 20
    Ah! Monika says:

    I ( might ) be persuaded to allow a few hours per year paid. Thereafter I would expect meetings to take place off-site, out of hours, as in my day in a room in the local pub.

  21. 21
    Political pundit. says:

    Seems to me that they only polled uniion members to get 51%.
    Or perhaps it was only unions and Labour supporters?
    Would like to see the question to get this ridiculous poll figure.

  22. 22
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Tell me … all those bloody statues that went up over the last 5-10 years.
    Did that do great things for the “working classes”

  23. 23
    Political pundit. says:

    Bang on.

  24. 24
    Time 2 CTRL, ALT & DEL says:

    51% – what is the margin of error on this +/- 2%??

  25. 25
    Jane Pilgrim says:

    Leave us alone!

  26. 26
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    “was thanked by the latest employer” I take it that means they werent the ones who had to pay out!

  27. 27
    Engineer says:

    They do give a voice to individual taxpayers’ concerns.

    Think of them as the National Union of Taxpayers. After all, if it’s OK for workers to have a voice, surely it’s OK for ‘them as pays for it all’ to have a voice, too?

  28. 28
    Engineer says:

    They don’t seem to do them in my corner of the North-West, either.

  29. 29
    Political pundit. says:

    House of Lords has put the kibosh on many further referendums.
    Nothing on this in BBC or Gruniard that I have seen.

  30. 30
    Disco Stew says:

    I can’t believe it’s only 51%.Who are the f*@king idiots that think the taxpayer should pay for unionistas? I’m still waiting to bump into someone who will admit they vote for Labour.Honestly,I have given up on the inteligence of the public of this Country.

  31. 31
    Political pundit. says:

    This is victimization of the incompetent and on the criminal duties that the last government fully endorsed – do not know why they are so quiet on this matter now though.

  32. 32
    Engineer says:

    Actually, they ended up topping up his pesion fund for him. Given that his is an arcane skill not quickly or readily replaceable without hiring someone on a far higher rate of pay, there may have been an element of enlightened self-interest in the employers generosity.

  33. 33
    Dave says:

    I take a dim view of this

  34. 34
    Ah! Monika says:

    I’ve withdrawn from Y-G. Promises promises.
    They also assume that all ‘ voters’ tell the truth when originally asking about political allegiance.

  35. 35
    Archer Karcher says:

    Both the practices you mention are illegal and with or without a Union, you are able to take an employer to a tribunal and win substantial damages.
    Union’s have achieved what they set out to do and are now delving into areas where they have no legitimacy at all, such as regime change and overall government policy.

  36. 36
  37. 37
    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    More likely that a large proportion are the brainless 30% who vote Labour no matter what.

  38. 38
    Anonymous says:

    Completely agree. The union bashing is silly in many contexts. As a former union rep I can attest to lots of things unions do for members which benefit everyone in the workplace, inlcuding employers.

    Syphoning public money to the chancers in the Labour Party, however, is not on.

  39. 39
    Sir William Waad says:

    24% said they didn’t know. Only 26% wanted to go on paying for the Pilgrims. They tended to be Labour voters and to live in the North – surprise, surprise.

    (Yes, I know – 51+24+26 = 101, but tell the TPA and YouGov).

  40. 40
    Sir William Waad says:

    Please see above.

  41. 41
    HenryV says:

    50% of the people you will meet today are below average in some way.

  42. 42
    Kevin T says:

    Only 51%? I find that surprisingly low. Other than the tribal left, who would support this?

  43. 43
    Moussa Koussa says:

    I’m a Labour troll who just spends all day making tenuous connections to the Tory party and ending every post with “still the nasty party”.

    Of course, Labour are not a nasty party at all. It was perfectly decent and above board for Labour to do things like mount an attempted smear campaign against opponents, hound Dr K elly and defame him by calling him a Walter Mitty, lie to the public over an illegal invasion, spread rumours about Mo Mowlam in retaliation for getting a standing ovation during Messiah Blair’s speech, smear a disfigured train crash survivor who dared to criticise Labour, and say that 9-11 was a good day to bury bad news.

  44. 44
    Sir William Waad says:

    It can be helpful to follow the link to the survey.

  45. 45
    Thick Brits says:

    Let’s face it the British are thick. Who in their right minds would wade through mud to watch Bono try to sing or queue in the rain to see Murray lose?

  46. 46
    Rascal Puff says:

    The unions look after themselves, thats it. Any romantic thoughts that they are “class warriors, people power etc” is just tosh. You can also chuck the law Society and the BMA into pot…. they ALL just look after themselves and fuck the rest of us.

  47. 47
    Archer Karcher says:

    It would appear that they are all conducted in metrosexual Islington or Holland Park.

  48. 48
    Sir William Waad says:

    Unfortunately, none of our serious political parties has any policy of containing or reducing the level of taxation. It is a surprising thing that nobody questions policies of ever-higher levels of taxation, even from the point of view of ensuring future social provision. (More tax today > less money tomorrow > poorer public services)?

    Of course, it is simpler to label your opponent as ‘right wing’ and shut a mental gate against them than it is to argue why taxation persistently at wartime crisis level is a good thing.

  49. 49
    StrongholdBarricades says:

    There is news of some Union Officials considering striking because their Unions aren’t giving them a pay rise.

  50. 50
    Hang The Bastards says:

    This is a fking disgrace…

    When will spinless Dave grown a backbone and deal with this once and for all.

    Can you imagine the uproar if anti-Union Tory Supporters were funded in the same way in the public sector.

  51. 51
    bergen says:

    Couldn’t agree more.A workforce is entitled to representation to deal with the personnel department of the employer if large enough.

    The problem is the way that the public sector expect us to pay their full time officials-it makes work for idle hands and rips us off to boot.No wonder it is so hard to enforce efficiency savings in the public sector.We’ve gone through a terrible couple of years in the private sector-paycuts,reduced hours to keep afloat.These people have an incredible sense of entitlement.

  52. 52
    Stan Butler says:

    Nor mine.

  53. 53
    Anonymous says:

    That’s one of the weirdest statistic I’ve seen.

    It means that 49% of people are either in favour of (or don’t care about) spending tax payers’ money to fund union activities.

    Maybe they asked the wrong people.

    Ask that question down here in the south, and you’d get about 95% of people wanting a ban, with the remaining 5% being the local school/hospital extreme-left-wing union members/leaders.

    It shouldn’t be open to a vote anyway, it should simply be made illegal as it’s a form of blatent/open fraud against the tax payer.

  54. 54
    Mr Average says:

    But if the other 50% are above average, does that mean no one is average?

  55. 55
    Lose, motherfucker! says:

    Has Andy Murray lost yet? Can’t be long now. :-D

  56. 56
    geoff says:

    there are a lot of don’t knows (honest) and a few oppose, presumably labour voters/jobsworths/pilgrims

  57. 57
    geoff says:

    almost everyone has above average number of legs

  58. 58
    TFFT says:

    Thank you Sir William. It all makes sense now.

    Fawkes sort you post out and put up the full figures.

  59. 59
    geoff says:

    end the union modernisation fund

  60. 60
    geoff says:

    i can’t even get my head around that one. will the union come out in comradely support?

  61. 61
    geoff says:

    it was 51% want it stopped, 25% don’t know and the rest are sponging public sector jobsworths and labour voting arseholes

  62. 62
    Gordon Brown says:

    None of you understand how difficult it is to run a country. If you are the Prime Minister, you have to keep potential trouble spots on side. That is why I had to expand the public sector and allow union representatives to be publicly funded. My record speaks for itself; for 10 years I brought and era of prosperity and no more boom and bust to this country. In any case, al these worthy people, vote Labour, to protect their ‘non jobs.’

  63. 63
    geoff says:

    you don’t need a union to help with a bullying boss. be a man, stand up for yourself! the discipline of the baseball bat.

  64. 64
    A Canterbury Tale says:

  65. 65
    MILF Watch says:

    Jo Coburn’s legs on Daily Politics. :-D

  66. 66
    BaggPuss says:

    If the poll had gone the other way then I bet you’d be applauding. Liberals only like us when we say want they want to hear, eg below


  67. 67
    The Anti British Broadcasting Co says:

    And here is the Labour Party Shadow Minister for nothing important at all to refute everything horrible you say about the Labour Party.

  68. 68
    Oh Lordie says:

    nor my area of europe

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  70. 70
    Far North West constituent says:

    Funding of union officials by taxpayer must stop, it just not fair on the taxpayer.

    Union officials – paid for by the UNION, should be given time to access / debate / meet with bosses in government / quango / local authority for legitimate employment issues, that’s all.

  71. 71
    Mummy says:

    And will he smile graciously in defeat and show us what’s under his kilt?

  72. 72
    Greasy says:

    Zoe Williams on Daily Politics looks like she hasn’t washed her hair in weeks.

  73. 73
    I feel sick says:

    Yuk, yuk, YUK!

  74. 74
    geoff says:

    picture bottom right sums up Labour voters for me


  75. 75
    G Brown says:

    I am an E-Type Jaguar.

  76. 76
    Kevin T says:

    I don’t believe you. You’re supposed to be trolling a piece about public finances and you haven’t mentioned the word “bankers” once, let alone “too fast, too deep” or “taking money out of the economy *”.

    * however the fuck you do that

  77. 77
    F'urk the unions says:

    expose the unions for what they are …out of touch with the real world with a hierarchy that laughingly ‘earns’ enormous sums of money who are looking after their own interests at the expense of their supporters…outdated expensive and not doing the working man any favours whatsoever. Health and Safety do the ‘looking out for’ more.

  78. 78
    Dog's Breakfast says:

    Crikey she looks like she has just got out of bed after a sleepless night. Even her frock looks like a nightie.

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  80. 80
    Engineer says:

    Well, not those of us commenting on this blog, obviously. Draw your own conclusions….

  81. 81
    Penfold says:

    Its not just salaries.

    In Richmond upon Thames the Unison union occupies a bijoux and prime location cottage on the Richmond Road, fronting the York House tennis courts.

    How many other properties or office space are union occupied and financied by the tax payers, with business rates subsidised along with ancillary services such as telephones, computers and photo copying.

    Its a scandal.

    No wonder Dave Prentiss was bragging about his £25m strike fund. !!

  82. 82
    Engineer says:

    Where is the rest of her?

  83. 83
    Penfold says:

    RMT needs banning if not eviscaration.

  84. 84
    Moussa Koussa says:

    Errrrrr… you can’t be me because you didn’t start your post with “Errrrrrr” in a strange and childish attempt to appear thoughtful and clever. And you didn’t end with..

    “You ain’t seen me, right?”

  85. 85
    Smig says:

    The 26% in favour are either Pilgrims or live in the same household as one.

  86. 86
    Shubert Dab says:

    I don’t won’t to pay the wages of some wank eyed lefties who organise a strike so my rubbish is not collected

    fuck you Pilgrims

  87. 87
    Don't fuck with the kitteh says:

    Daily Politics just confirmed Larry The Cat has made his first kill, taking down three mice in Downing St.

  88. 88
    C Line says:

    Bob Crow puts the C in C UN T

  89. 89
    Mack the Kipper says:

    In two leaky suitcases in my lockup in Southwark.

  90. 90
    Selohesra says:

    Actully it depends what sort of average you use – median yes but mean & mode you cannot draw that conclusion

  91. 91
    son of selsdonman says:

    Thanks for the reminder. I wrote to my MP asking if he was supporting the EDM – unfortunately he seems to have been too busy – presumably filling out his expenses (he does have his horses to feed after all) to get back and let me know!!!

  92. 92
    Old Tory Bigot says:

    Yet I notice they have put a bell on his collar.

    Not exactly making the job easy for the little chap are they?

    Perhaps they were the Three Deaf Mice.

  93. 93

    Nowadays, 50% of people don’t know how much 50% actually is. The other 73.75% don’t even care.

  94. 94
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘As the unions don’t have to pay their staff and national organisers, they can spend the money raised through subs on political activity, like funding the Labour Party.’

    That’s isn’t true Mr Fawkes and if you don’t know that you really should. Here are the facts:

    ‘Some trade unions maintain a political fund. This is a separate account which the trade union can use to provide financial support for a political party. For example, they could donate to a party or particular politician, produce leaflets in support at an election, or support party conference costs…

    ‘If a trade union wishes to start a political fund, its members must vote in favour of creating one. This vote must be conducted by a secret ballot held under rules approved by the Certification Officer. The trade union must allow all its members to vote in the ballot.’


  95. 95
    Bob Crow says:

    oI! iT’s aLL fACher’S folT! uP tHe wORKaz!

  96. 96
    Kevin T says:

    Now now, every country has its retards. The other night I was driven home by a cab drive from the Bahamas. Who the FUCK would move to Britain from the Bahamas???

  97. 97
    Larry the Cat says:

    Done mice, I’m going for the rats next.

  98. 98
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Probably employers who find it more convenient to negotiate with a tame union official than have to deal with the unpredictable workers themselves.

  99. 99
    Life means life says:

    That evil fat c unt Levi Bellfield just been handed a whole life sentence by a judge. He’ll never be released. Now, why can’t this be done for every killer and peedo?

  100. 100
    Smig says:

    E-Type prole from Brave New World me thinks.

    You are an Epsilon wayyyyy beyond your competency.

  101. 101
    Alexandra says:

    The amber warning just means it is neither strictly aligned with Gov policy nor against it.

  102. 102
    NUT English Teacher says:

    Well done Bob. Your English is at least A-Level standard.

  103. 103
    Don't fuck with the kitteh says:

    The rats are at Labour HQ. Any chance you could go after them?

  104. 104
    Moussa Koussa says:

    The Wank Payers Alliance… formally known as the Tory Tax Payers alliance. Do they still exist LOL.

    Things must be bad if the Tories are having rolling out the TPA again, along with boll*cks YouGov polls….Yawn

    You aint seen me – right

  105. 105
    The ghost of ILEA (Inner London Education Authority, abolished by Thatcher) says:

    Competitive sports are wrong. It produces winners and losers and schools shouldn’t champion that kind of inequality. No one should be a winner. Everyone’s equal.

  106. 106
    Four-eyed English Genius says:

    I was asked once, and I lied through my back teeth! I think everyone should, then maybe we would get government by government, and not by focus group etc.!!

  107. 107
    BaggPuss says:

    ‘If a trade union wishes to start a political fund, its members must vote in favour of creating one.”

    Really? I think you should get out more and see how it’s done in the real world.


  108. 108
    sockpuppet #4 says:

    The older and wiser a cat the less it runs or sneaks, and the more it waits and pounces.

    That might sound like a metaphor, but its just honed cat tactics. I suppose it might describe Tebbit’s current MO.

  109. 109
    Ambassador Xarg from the planet Chromada says:

    There are 600 million facebook users and 175million Twitter users.

    Let’s face it. You humans are thick.

  110. 110
    Anonymous says:

    Do you really think it’s fair that union members have to pay subs, and then the unions get topped up by the taxpayer paying the salaries of thousands of union reps?

    Forget about what you think about the taxpayers alliance, as it’s nor really relevant to the debate in hand – I know you like using diversionary tactics to try and cover up the fact that you’re too thick to engage in an actual debate, but seriously, how is this fair that the taxpayer helps fund the unions, who in turn fund the Labour party.

    It is illegal in this country for political parties to take funding from the taxpayer – I know that you probably think that should only be enforced when the benefitting party is not Labour, but anyone with half a brain can see this is wrong, and no amount of you attempting to shoot the messenger will change that.

  111. 111
    Tony Blair says:

    Hi Moussa. Thanks for cheerleading on our behalf. Must dash though. Spending the weekend at one of my villas, bought with money I made from the blood of dead Iraqis. Cheerio!

  112. 112
    Anonymous says:

    Forget about the 51% that want it banned – it shouldn’t need a ban. The taxpayer is giving money to union reps that frees up the union’s money for handing over to the Labour party, so indirectly the Labour party is receiving public money to fund it, which is illegal.

    More to the point, who the fuck are the 49% of scumbags that think this policy should continue? If it’s going to continue, then the Tories and the Libdems (and all the smaller parties who have one an election of some kind) should be given some public money as well.

  113. 113
    Ed Balls says:

    “The Wank Payers”

    That sums up Labour’s attitude towards taxpayers perfectly. Well done.

  114. 114
    knowswhathestalkingabout says:

    Surely the amber classification highlights the need to campaign to make a ban on this outrageous practice government policy. We’ve had some supportive words from ministers but no real action. When they do ban full time union organisers being paid for by hard pressed taxpayers, I’m sure it will be given the green light! To do so now would be complacent.

  115. 115
    It's hard to satirise the left anymore says:

    This is from last year but it’s a hoot if you want a laugh. She actually says competitive sports in schools hark back to empire. No, really, that’s what she says. The left have become a parody of themselves.


  116. 116
    Sir William Waad says:

    Most of us have an above average number of legs.

    Most people have two legs, but some have one and others none. Nobody has more than two legs. Therefore, the average (mean) number of legs is less than two. Therefore most of us have an above average number of legs.

  117. 117
    Sir William Waad says:

    Nor me.

    I think really they just make the figures up.

  118. 118
    Maximus says:

    And FFS never ask them what the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is expressed as a percentage. Or fraction of a kilometer.

    Education + education + education = lol.

  119. 119
    Engineer says:

    Think of the TPA as the National Union of Taxpayers. Workers have the Unions to give them a voice, so ‘them as pays for it all’ deserve a voice as well, don’t they?

  120. 120
    English Viking says:

    Name them.

  121. 121
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Really? You must tell me sometime about your years of experience as a trade union activist. Meanwhile, read this. It’s based on legislation brought in by the Tories in the 1980s:

    If a trade union’s members vote in favour of creating a political fund, the trade union can maintain the fund for a period of ten years.

    If a trade union wants to continue maintaining the political fund after the end of the ten year period it must hold a further ballot of all its members asking whether they wish the trade union to continue running a political fund. This is sometimes called a ‘review ballot’. The rules for the ballot must be approved by the Certification Officer.

    If your trade union holds a ballot to start a political fund or a review ballot and you think it has broken the rules for the ballot you can complain either to the Certification Officer or the courts.

    A trade union which operates a political fund must have political fund rules. These too have to be approved by the Certification Officer. The trade union’s political fund rules will specify how money is collected for the political fund, and the amount to be paid into the fund by the members who contribute to it.

    A trade union must pay for party political activities from its political fund, and must not use money from its other accounts for this purpose.

    Once a political fund is established, it is up to the trade union to decide, in-line with its rules, how the money is spent.

    Paying into a political fund
    If you contribute to your trade union’s political fund the contribution will usually form a part of your trade union membership subscription. This contribution is sometimes called the ‘political levy’.

    If your employer deducts money from your pay for your trade union subscription (known as ‘check-off’), this money will usually include a political fund contribution if you contribute to it.

    Trade union subscriptions
    Your trade union must have arrangements in place enabling you to find out how much of your trade union subscription is a contribution to the political fund.

  122. 122
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    And, although you probably haven’t noticed, union members pay income tax, as well as VAT on what they buy. And they can’t get accountants to fiddle it for them.

  123. 123
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Anonymous – Why don’t you google ‘trade union political funds’ and it may save you from showing yourself up as a moron in future.

  124. 124
    Stan Butler says:

    Now, here is a money saving opportunity.
    Hang the twat.
    Bellfield is 43. If he lives to 70 that is 27 years.
    To keep him alive in prison in about £30k a year.
    I suppose with inflation etc it will be nigh on £1m spent feeding and clothing this animal until he snuffs it.
    Apply this same solution to other convicted murderers and paedophiles etc.
    I assume we can still make rope thick enough to take his dead weight?

    I should be working for the Government, me.

  125. 125
    Rat's Mate says:

    Strike Pay!!! Whats Strike Pay.?

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  127. 127
    Anonymous says:

    Can you not see the obvious fact that if a trade union has a political fund, that political fund is going to be considerably smaller if they have to pay thousands of salaries that are currently funded by the taxpayer?

    Yet again, attempting to use smoke and mirrors rather than admit the truth.

  128. 128
    lola says:

    So, doing me out of a job then? Part of my business does just this sort of tracing.

  129. 129
    lola says:

    Why? The union represents the ‘worker’. He’s employed by the ‘worker’. What’s that got to do with the employer? I am an employer – I’ll be buggered if I am going to pay for an ‘erbert to lay about just so’s he ‘help’ and employee – I’ve got an HR department to do that. And if I am in ‘dispute’ with an employee – well it’s my business i set the rules. If the employee doesn;t like it he is free to resogn and barter his skills elsewhere.

    Unions are special interest group with the special prvilidge to apply coercion. If I tried to renege on a contract I’d eaither be sued, or if it incolves the State, locked up.

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    Engineer says:

    Actually, I had noticed, having been in exactly that boat for a couple of decades. By the way, anybody can get an accountant to review their tax affairs if they are willing to pay for it – and it might be cheaper than you think.

    You presumably believe that workers should have access to organisations that will represent their interests, so do you believe that taxpayers should just pay up and not have their interests represented?

  131. 131
    Sir William Waad says:

    Who so best her round
    With dismal Tories
    Do but themselves confound
    Her strength the more is
    There’s no discouragement
    Shall make her once relent
    Her first avowed intent
    To be a Pilgrim.

    (apologies to John Bunyan)

  132. 132
    Sir William Waad says:

    Sorry ‘beset’ her round

  133. 133
    They're all the same says:

    So in other words, 1 in 2 people don’t support a ban?

    Still, at least any ban would have more legitimacy than any Lib Dem, Tory or Labour government.

  134. 134
    Judge Judy says:

    there are a lot of voters in the poll who dont pay tax!!!!!!!

  135. 135
    They're all the same says:

    Yep. This idea people have of Unions sticking it to the bosses is about 30 years out of date. One of reasons union membership is so low is because workers know that union leaders are too busy feathering their own nests and cutting cosy little deals amidst the bonhomie of the negotiating table.

  136. 136
    Politicians are CUNTS says:

    you gonna be first in the slave queue then

  137. 137
    Rolf Harris says:

    “Nobody has more than two legs.”

    What about Jake the Peg?

  138. 138
    HenryV says:

    Are you a paradox then?

  139. 139
    Anonymous says:

    A mature, educated response, ‘they should shut up’. Nobody wants to strike, but people have a right to fair pay for good honest hard work. Very few get rich from working in the public sector. Its good that you are not running this country, although your words sound quite familiar. Get this straight and understand. If they all go on strike the economy will grind to a mind altering stop. Whether you realise it or not, you need them!

  140. 140
  141. 141
    Sicko says:

    If only he were indeed ‘spinless’, rather than seemingly invertebrate.

  142. 142
    Sicko says:

    Madame Tussaud’s must have had a joblot of wax to get rid of in a hurry..

  143. 143
    Anonymous says:

    Ultimately, trade unions have money, regardless of where they put it – you can try and truss it up any way you like, but the simple fact is that a trade union political fund is going to suffer if the union responsible for it suddenly starts having to pay rep’s wages itself instead of the taxpayer covering them, it’s going to have less money to put in a political fund.

    You can hide behind as many rules and regulations as you like, you can throw all the insults you like at me, but it doesn’t change the facts, and the facts are that the taxpayer is paying the salaries of thousands of trade union reps, thus saving their unions the expense, which can then be put to work elsewhere, such as in “trade union political funds”.

    The fact that you need to hide behind such a weak argument, supplemented by personal attacks simply proves how wrong the situation is.

    Come on, surely you can do better than that?

  144. 144
    only me says:

    Another poorly researched article commenting on very poor research findings.

    See me at break – all of you.

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