June 22nd, 2011

When Dave Liked The Generals Talking

As the Prime Minister tried to slap down his turbulent generals with a well rehearsed, off-the-cuff, “you do the fighting and I’ll do the talking”, Guido was trying to remember when he last heard Dave in such a combative mood. The last time the upper echelons of the armed forces spoke out so distinctly against the government was when Richard Dannatt hounded Brown’s handling of the Afghan war. Did Cameron tell the soldier to stay out of the politics then? No, he made him a Peer.

He then appointed the daughter of  General Sir David Richards, Danatt’s successor as Chief of the Defence Staff, to his personal office. Funny how General Richards has been putting a bit of stick about with those who have spoken out. However with more and more critics lining up left, right and centre to brief against the PM in the Telegraph, Miliband should be rubbing his hands as he prepares for PMQs. Unless he’s got some gimmick to try pull again this week…


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  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Oppo are good at talking but not acting when in power.

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    • 5
      Grammar School Boy says:

      Twas ever thus, with either party…

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      • 42
        The Public says:

        So why did we gat all that nonsense in the previous post from Guido licking up these idiots’ bums? The incidious effect of free booze in politics can never be underestimated.

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        • 64
          Tom Badwind says:

          Insidious ??

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          • David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

            Cameron does not even talk a good job any more. A gutless turd who is devoid of any substance. Where is his cast iron guarantees when you want them on the EU Treaty, EU contribution, EU getting more powers ie arrest warrant, EU bail outs (in reality gifts not bail outs or loans), immigration, security and defence of country not French defence treaty, multi billion pound give away scheme to countries better off than us. He then has the bare faced cheek to say we are in a dire fiscal position- stop giving it away Dave. You should have learnt the basics of PPE at Oxford, you need more income than outgoings to stay in the black. You also need military assets to fight wars that you commit them to-FFS.

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          • The Public says:

            Well spotted.

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          • Only me says:

            Where are the Tories.

            You are all Wets!!

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      • 77
        oh what a belter says:

        another well deserved arse ripping for little Ed today

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        • 93
          Some Tory boyz are shit says:

          Regarding the cancer ‘stunt’ last week, pre election Conservative party posters promised more cancer drugs would be made available.

          If you’ve actually got cancer I’d imagine you’d be grateful to Milliband for his stunt, just as Dave was grateful today for his party’s pre arranged stunt to drown out the question regarding all his U turns.

          An arse ripping for Ed today? I don’t think so. He actually came across as effective as opposed to Dave who didn’t answer question after question as usual.

          Dave, bar Libya, is proving to be a liability and all the fanboyism in the world won’t change that. A failure to win a majority after 13 years of Bliar and Brown anyone?

          To me these are worrying times for Tories.

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    • 25
      Archer Karcher says:

      All three mainstream parties are opportunistic shite, without a principle or honourable intention among them.
      We would be as well governed by the inmates of Wormwood Scrubs.
      Yes they would steal from us at every opportunity, but at least they would not pretend they have the interest of the country, or it’s citizens, at heart, whilst they robbed us blind.

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      • 67
        Socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

        Thats more like it Guido–NuLabour/Blue labour–piss on ‘em all

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    • 88
      hava nagila says:

      That’s true of pretty much every party since 1990.

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    • 114
      Witty Commentator No 32 says:

      Bloody hell Guido has just woken up, shock horror

      Cameron is all mouth and no trousers….making rash statements and not following through…JUST LIKE THE LAST LOT…this lot are so quick to blame.

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  2. 2
    Dirk Diggler says:

    I’ll guess the twat will go for a gimmick and over-act on the ‘anger’ too.

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    • 105
      Walking the Walk or talking the talk says:

      The phrase ” you do thefighting I’ll do the talking is disasterous on so many levels “

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  3. 3
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Slightly O/T

    Caught BBC news other day (Feel so dirty now) and they were doing a report on care homes, The dumbass reporter said (with smile on face) that of course care was FREE in Scotland.

    Now pardon me but can someone teach the BBC Hunts basic math?

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    • 13
      Nurse Bank says:

      Billy, you get your arse wiped for free in your care home, so WTF are you worried about?

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    • 16
      Anonymous says:

      They mean ‘free’ in the sens that the NHS is ‘free’. Or that pensions are ‘free’.

      i.e. Not free. In fact, incredibly expensive.

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    • 18
      East India Company wallah says:

      To quote US satirist PJ O Rourke “if you think healthcare is expensive now,wait til you see how much it costs when its free”!

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    • 33
      Alex Salmond says:

      It is free in Scotland.

      It’s paid-for by the bastards in England.

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      • 97
        Pissed off at English robbers says:

        Actually it’s paid for by Scotland’s oil revenues as have all England’s care homes etc etc etc for years now.

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        • 99
          The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

          When was the last time you saw a map of the North Sea oilfields! You make it sound as if the reserves were in Auchtermuchty High Street. They are in the “British” sector which is slap bang next to the “Norwegian” sector. Still, it could be worse, they could be further away, like in the Darien…….

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          • Making plans by nigel says:

            Ah yes the Darrian sabotaged by the bastard Inglish whos european wars had strangled Scotlands trade routes abroad necessitating this venture in the first place. The inglsh pikeys also indirectly supported their own enemies , Spain, in attaking the Embrionic Scots colonies.
            All this of course was engineered to force Scotland into the act of Union which was driven by the inglish though to listen to the c unts these days you wouldnt think so. Innit !

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          • Sicko says:

            Dear Nigel, I take it that you subscribe to the Braveheart school of historical theory. I’d be genuinely grateful if you would cite your sources, as I feel that much history teaching is as credible as the reporting in the National Enquirer.

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  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    I must be confused?

    Dave said yesterday that we can use all reasonable force against intruders in our homes.

    Does this really include calling in the army then?

    Or as it was said yesterday, does it not apply today?

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    • 35
      A typical Englishman says:

      I think “reasonable” is open to interpretation. Cameron’s view is probably that you can “hug” intruders. Any normal person’s interpretation of “reasonable” is that you can repeatedly smash the chav over the head with a hammer until it stops moving and screaming.

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      • 79
        Anonymous says:

        “Reasonable” should be removed from the prosecution case.It is not defined in Law at present & is the hinge point of many of the court cases we read about.
        The yanks have got it right; if an intruder breaks in to your home you can defend yourself to the outmost degree & the police won’t even get the case into Court.

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        • 87
          MrAngry61 says:

          They don’t even have to break into your house. If some half-dr*nk tourist starts banging on your front door or otherwise making a nuisance of themselves on your private property in the small hours then you can gun them down from an upstairs window & never even have to explain your actions down at the precinct.

          Tour1st as only a furriner would make such an elementary mistake there…

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      • 89
        Archer Karcher says:

        What no tea and biscuits while you listen to the chav’s sob story about never having a chance, his mum not really loving him and the drug habit that was not his fault, whilst you phone his social worker, probation officer, community support officer, outreach co-ordinater, care in the community worker and police liason officer?

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    • 107
      Anonymous says:

      We are in the same legal position as we always were. Cameron is blowing smoke up our arses, nothing has changed, you always had the right to reasonable self defence. This is just more playing to the gallery. Tosser.

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    rasputin says:

    The Strategic Review was pants, and basically the effects are being felt now. It was also not balanced enough, gutting two services and attempting to preserve one.

    Modern Military Might comes down to two main components:
    1) Force projection: made up of strategic assets, such as Aircraft Carriers, SSBNs, Air superiority
    2) Boots on the Ground: made up of infantry including special forces, tanks, tactical airframes (helicopters) and air support, SSNs
    (Then tying these together: logistics)

    We completely gutted the first and the second is stretched and weary following a decade of war in Afghanistan and Iraq.

    The Generals make a good point. Cameron needs to get on top of this and if he wants to continue with an engaged military provide it with the resources and kit needed. In particular we need to get some aircraft carriers and some airframes to go on them pronto.

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      daedalus says:

      The strategic review was a farce. The Conservative government got it wrong, and decided to fight the next war as if it were the last one. Short-sighted idiots.

      completely agree. We should probably re–structure the military entirely, but if we want to stay as a world player and have a world class military we need to spend money, and mostly on:

      Aircraft Carriers — we need at least two big ones for continual at sea force projection
      Subs — four ballistic ones for continual at sea nuclear deterence; four-six hunters
      Supply and landing ships
      (Destroyers / Frigates : bit old school these days)
      Aircraft: full stocked aircraft carriers, brand new logistics fleet, closer integration with the other services
      Army: more boots on ground, more special forces, more specialists.

      It’s not cheap but it’s what they appear to want and need

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      • 90
        MrAngry61 says:

        Lewis Page suggested that the main obstacles to updating our armed forces were that all 3 branches insisted on equal levels of funding irrespective of the needs of the country, and that the RAF opposed an army air force to fly transport & attack helicopters. Oh yes, and the entire defence establishment being colossally top-heavy and tragically mismanaged.

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    • 23
      Jabba the Dog says:

      For all this talk of military professionalism at the top of the MOD it seems to me that everyone overlooks that it was all these military geniuses that have for years totally misjudged what type of warfare the British army would be fighting post the cold war, reflected in the consistently wrong equipment orders, as well as their defeat and retreat in Iraq. A number of well targeted dismissals at the top of the MOD would focus a few minds.

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      • 32

        Gord Vader

        Damn right.
        I order Land Speeders. Those armchair generals all said “oh yes. That’s what we need for Tatooine. Land speeders so they can quickly cross hot deserts and rocky sand people territory.
        So I ordered 100 billion galactic credits and then they tell me we need to attack Hoth! Well there’s no money left!

        Anyway, I ordered four death stars. Nothing like a planet killing star base the size of a planet to beat a handful of rebels hiding out in a swamp at the arse end of the galaxy.

        And, completely coincidentally, they make Death Stars in Strathclyde.

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      Rear Admiral Brown-Hatter says:

      I afraid that is not going to happen as the Royal Navy is personna non grata with this Government. They are exacting revenge on it because the last First Sea Lord but one, cosied up to Labour to get the two carriers, agreed to maintain them in Rosyth Dockyard (in Gordon Brown’s constituency) even though it was completely unsuitable, and had to spend more £billions to enable them to be locked in and out of a non tidal Dockyard, and build a new drydock to dock them, even though these facilities were already available elsewhere. The carrier contracts were then written, such that they would be more expensive to cancel than honour. The final nail in the coffin was the First Sea Lord becoming a Labour Government Minister on retirement from the Navy and televised singing the ‘Red Flag’ at the Labour Party conference. As I have already said, the Royal Navy is well and truly fucked!

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  6. 7
    Gordon Brown says:

    i did not realise that women used lipstick

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  7. 8
    daedalus says:

    all three of the forces have spoken out. This is a major fucking problem.

    One of the biggest problems: complete lack of military awareness in the cabinet.

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    • 20
      Anonymous says:

      there isn’t much military awareness in the general staff tbh

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    • 39
      It's worse than that, he's politically dead, Jim. says:

      The “major fucking problem” is that Cameron is as hated by Conservatives as he is by Labour supporters.

      That’s the fucking problem – for him.

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  8. 9
    Brill Brillo says:

    Enjoyed the grilling Brillo just gave Darling who kept refusing to say if he agrees with Blinky’s calls to cut VAT.

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  9. 10
    wanker says:

    He’ll be pulling something, but not a gimmick.

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    • 44
      The General Public says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      Darling is a has-been. Brillo needs to get out of Westminster more

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      • 91
        MrAngry61 says:

        Where else? The Taffland or Jockland ‘parliaments’? Or maybe wander round some of the better restaurants near the Commons/Spearmint Rhino, to interview MPs & their researchers ‘at work’?

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  10. 11

    Milibean will try his tactics from last week.

    “Is the PM aware of how many litres of fuel a Eurofighter holds and how much the price of aviation fuel is at the pump? He isn’t ..! I can’t believe it..Well let me further furnish him with the rates of pay for a technician 1st class on active service, with a diploma in night goggle use, with two children..Its £7.90 p/hour, Mr Speaker! £7.90 and not the derisory ‘£7.25 ish’ that PM just quoted. He’s not in charge of the facts Mr Speaker..He should resign immediately…Resign in disgrace!”

    Next question..Mr Milibean!

    “Mr speaker. Is the PM aware of the total number of surgical gloves used in a PCT on a daily basis and the differences in costs between the single digit and multi digit glove? He Isn’t? Resign! Resign at once! The NHS isn’t safe! Resign”

    Continues on even more obscurely for four more questions.

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  11. 12
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Ed miliband to go on Vat cut.

    David Lammy to ask about cutting Vat on food.

    Gordon Brown will notbe in the house .

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  12. 15
    Tony Bliar is a complete cunt says:

    Where did my post go guido ?…………Bliar = Cameron……….And i voted for Cameron……….He is another in a long line of tell the public what they want to hear and deliver fuck all…………….

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  13. 19
    Andrew Efiong says:

    Well given how lame Ed Moribund is, it’s not too surprising to see the army acting as a form of opposition.

    It’s when they seize control of Broadcasting House that Cameron has a problem. But if they want to raze the BBC’s Salford complex, go ahead chaps.

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    • 24
      Gordon Brownout says:

      The BBC were never very nice to me. They’re all rich toffs.
      I should have nationalised them.

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  14. 26
    Mr LOL says:

    David Cameron = scum

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    • 28
      Mr LOL says:

      David Cameron is, he talks the big talk but doesn’t fund the forces any more than Blair and Brown do and yet commits them to more foreign operations.

      He is a base hypocrite at the least and scum.

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      • 30
        Mr LOL says:

        Lions led by donkeys, British Forces lead by bumbling Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems who would all be as useful as a chocolate fire guard in a warzone yet magically have the ‘experience’ from no where to call the shots over our forces………

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        • 34
          Mr LOL says:

          Who would you rather be trapped behind enemy lines with?

          A Soldier or a Politician…..

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          • Sir William Waad says:

            A politician, because he or she could talk our way out of trouble. A gun isn’t much use when you are heavily outnumbered.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            He could talk HIS way out of trouble, probably by blaming everything on you.

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        • 51
          Anonymous says:

          “..chocolate fireguard…”

          *beep* .. Naomi Campbell’s lawyer is on line 1 for you. He doesn’t sound too happy.

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  15. 27
    Mr LOL says:

    Lions let by donkeys, if you can’t fund them properly then don’t try and act like the fucking big world statesment posturing on the stage to get us involved in all the worlds bust ups like Turd Brown used to try and do Cameron you great terwat.

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  16. 29
    Jess The Dog says:

    The generals, admirals and air marshals are usually right but unfortunately cannot resist the temptation to advance their own single service, usually having a pop at the others, regardless of the facts. Like cats in a bag.

    Navy: CVS and Harrier would have made no difference to Libya. Harrier is a ‘dumb’ aircraft with no air-air capability, in contrast to the Tornado and Typhoon.

    RAF: It was an internal briefing paper which was leaked and Cameron should have shut his mouth. Air power is operating effectively from Italy for the time being, but it isn’t unsustainable indefinitely.

    NATO: the US should stop whining about NATO. The contributing nations have many more logistical tails (usually buying kit from their own national defence contractors) than the four tails of the US military…which has been far less interoperable than many would think.

    MoD was bankrupt when I handed in my kit in 2004. It is far worse now with a decade of salami-slicing and teeth-kicking for the troops. The best thing Cameron could do would be to scrap Trident (which I don’t think operates to full capacity anyway anymore) and stick little nukes on the air-launched Storm Shadow and sea (or air) launched Tomahawk at a fraction of the price.

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      sockpuppet #4 says:

      harriers … there wasn’t much air-to-air action really was there?
      I presume they would have been used for ground attack.

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    • 95
      MrAngry61 says:

      The whole point about having Trident is that whoever’s on the receiving end can’t be sure whether it was launched by the US, the UK or at a stretch, France.

      If we have a cruise missile based delivery system then not only will it be much easier to shoot down, but it also identifies who fired it – ie a third rate nuclear power.

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    • 103
      Liberal Democrat MP, Pervert and Spy says:

      Does anyone know the movements of Trident submarines? I can’t get the information now I have lost my position as Chairman of the Defence Committee.

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  17. 31
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m about to have my weekly PMQs session. Lots of questions to answer. Being PM is an important job and I do it very well.

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  18. 38
    Fashion crime says:

    What the fuck is Harman wearing? It looks like she killed a cow and made a jacket from its skin.

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  19. 40
    Hellboy says:

    Looks like EdM has taken your advice !

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  20. 46
    Kick grumpy out now says:

    Bercow’s interruption as Cameron tried to mention Blinky’s policy was disgracefully partisan. It’s now long overdue that this fuckwit was removed as speaker.

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  21. 47
    Lame Lammy says:

    Just noticed David Lammy on backbenches. Wasn’t he once touted as a future political star? He was a useless minister and now he’s relegated to the backbenches because even Milimong doesn’t want him in his shadow cabinet.

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    • 85
      lame lammy limp licks says:

      complete lightweight…over promoted by the last government and shown to be even less promising in opposition

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  22. 48
    Just wear a burka says:

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    • 55
      A Proctologist says:

      I would have thought sunglasses eesential when Gordon bends over for Sarah to wipe his bottom. The glare! The dazzle!

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  23. 49
    Sir William Waad says:

    Dave ought to tell the generals that their management of the war in Afghanistan is pisspoor and that they should stop blaming everybody else. They failed in Basra and they are failing in Helmand.

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  24. 52
    Fuck off says:

    Luciana Bugger has a horribly shrill voice.

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  25. 54
    Cameron has his moments says:

    For all his flaws, Cameron does occasionally say things that are enjoyably un-PC. He said a lot of violent crime is committed by “foreigners who shouldn’t be here in any event”. More of that please, Dave, more of that.

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    • 69
      Ex-Conservative voter says:

      And yet more of these foreigners “who shouldn’t be here” arrived last year – on Dave’s watch – than at any other time in the last 6 years.

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      • 100
        Liblabcon go to hell says:

        Tory faithful are so easily pleased. Just mouth a few empty slogans, throw in a few worthless promises, and they’ll mindlessly vote blue to the cows come home. The exact mirror image of the labour idiots they claim to despise.

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    • 75
      Socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

      Yeah dave, resign, piss off and become a comedian. You are one already but you can be honest about it.

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    • 86
      Anonymous says:

      Yup, he does say some things the public like to hear; problem is he does
      b**ger all.

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  26. 57
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Is itmeor are the questions much moreintresting from the backbenchers than Ed Miliband?

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  27. 58
    Milimong's gutless tactic says:

    Brillo just commented on Milimong’s habit of questioning on tiny detail that Cameron won’t know.

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  28. 59
    Bartholomew - George Osborne's teddy says:

    Any soldier that tells the truth is shat upon by the authorities. Look at Colonel Richard Iron, who was acting Brigadier and mentor to the Iraqis in 2007/8. He told the truth about the disaster that was Basra and was returned to Colonel and exiled to Defence Fellow at Oxford – and this for a man who was one of the youngest full Colonels and on fast track to General. And the general staff colluded with the politicians to shut him up. Neither the scum in No 10 or the men at the top of the Army have clean hands.

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  29. 65
    The BBC says:

    It is the 25th Anniversary of the Miners Strike. It is only fitting to have wall to wall coverage of this momentous event as the brothers struggle against the tyranny of Thatcher.

    More Proseco anyone?

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  30. 66
    CSI Miami says:

    How can we catch the villains without a DNA database. It would make very boring TV.

    Sorry Horatio we have to let him go – we have no idea who that hair belongs to

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  31. 68
    Fugly fuck says:

    John Galliano to appear in a French court today charged with anti s e mit ism. He should be charged just for being fugly.

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  32. 70
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m a bargain!

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  33. 71
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m Buzz Lightyear.

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  34. 73
    Jess The Dog says:

    Nauseating to see Miliband wrap himself in the ensigns and colours, after the shattering damage that Labour did to the material and reputation of the Armed Forces over the last decade.

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  35. 75
    Mra Hyancinths' Bucket says:

    Would my honourable friends, and Ed, and the vociferous Harmen agree with me, that the DNA of all the troughing bastards in the House be taken and kept, even though none of them were charged with either theft or deception, when they ripped off the UK tax payers with bogus expense claims.

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  36. 98
    Anonymous says:

    Ahem, General Dannatt was never CDS; he was CGS, head of the Army rather than the Armed Forces.

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  37. 102
    Nelson's Eye says:

    Never start a fight you can’t finish ,either at home or abroad

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  38. 112
    Poor Bill says:

    So. Even the non-politicals in the services are starting to see that the Con-serve-itself party has been taken by the ‘Control Freak Euro-Filth’.

    Old Mosley must be so proud of his son and his lackies.

    There is a place at the right hand of the Leader for Uncle Ken. (Dave ???) May be.

    If you had said, back in the day, “One day, this young man, who invited Mosley to the Union, (3 times), would be the head of ‘The Ministry Of Justshite’, charged with distroying the Common Law system, in an (almost) united Europe (Riech Lite). You’d be mad, sir.

    Who would have tunk it.

    So. Soon we will be to weak to defend ourselves, so our only hope will be,,,,

    The Euro Army,Navy and Air Force. The connection with the US will be maintained for as long as they are stupid enough to share stuff with the Brits.
    (Stuff the EU can use and sell to the boys in the east. (Like Israel did)

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  39. 117
    Jimmy says:

    He needs to make it clear to the Generals that they expect to be taken seriously as MoD advisers when they haven’t given a penny to the party.

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  40. 118
    Paul Marks says:

    Either order the armed forces to fight lots of wars, or cut their budget (or do neither – and keep an proper army, navy and air force, just in case).

    But for f….. sake do not do both of these things.

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  41. 121
    Dave666 says:

    General to PM “No sir that little Gun is ours the helicopter is American as unlike ours it works.

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