June 21st, 2011

Manchester’s Half a Million Pilgrim Fund

52% of children in Manchester live in poverty, making it the third poorest place to live in Britain. Manchester City Council are cutting front-line services in an act of political defiance – rather than saving money on the bureaucracy. They are cutting 2,000 jobs in order to support their quarter of a million pound CEO and other fat cats. However FoI’s have  revealed a huge rump that could be cut in order to protect frontline services – starting with  the half a million spent every year paying staff not to work, but instead to do union activities. 

Last year £449,088.00 was spent on union pilgrims, taxpayer money being used to represent the interests of people who would rather see Britain go the way of Greece than push their pen for an extra year. Funny you don’t read about that on the Unison placards…


  1. 1
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    i like sausages

  2. 2
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Hang em!

  3. 3
    George Osborne says:

    Strange how socialists never have a job that contributes to the financial good of country, but instead criticise and destroy our way of life with non-jobs and sniping.


  4. 4
    Champagne Socialists on the backs of the poor says:

    How come Labour areas are always the most deprived areas? And I don’t mean deprived of money.

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    Martin Day says:

    And how many hundreds of millions of pounds has the conservative led coalition wasted on getting iinvolved in Libyan bombing??

    A disgraceful waste of taxpayers money.

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    Ed P says:

    How long will Pickles prevaricate about this blatant misuse of public funds? These parasites are embedded throughout the NHS & councils – stop it now!

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    Ed P says:


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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its not a waste its an investment.

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    Yeah, right..... says:

    What response would a Manchester council employee receive if he/she announced that they would be working for the Taxpayer’s Alliance or the IoD whilst on the Council payroll.

    Would their employeer aquiesce in the interests of balance?

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    The two items are linked how?

  11. 11
    Moussa Koussa says:

    You never fail to make me chuckle

    A council cutting 2000 jobs…. Surely you should be delighted

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “I never hugged him,I bombed him”

    Baroness Thatcher on Mad Dog Gaddaffi.

    Think the cost about 100 million.

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    Yeah, right..... says:

    These children are only ‘poor’ in a relative, not absolute sense.

    Poverty in this country is deemed to be %age of the national average household income. Even if national incomes doubled, the ‘poor’ would still be with us.

    Billions of really poor children worldwide might argue that children with universal access to free education to age 18, free universal healthcare and a generous welfare state were actually quite well off.

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    bastards! says:

    Both parties are loaded with c’unts.

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    Iloathlefties says:

    Socialism in action. People without a cause.

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    Trinny says:

    According to the link 21.3% of children are in “poverty” in England. Bollocks.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Good point,Martin,hope my link works.

    I was out on the piss last night,rather shaky hands.


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    Anonymous says:

    ” 52 % of children live in poverty” – Bollocks !!! This sounds like one of those progressive, social justice type definitions of poverty ie if your net income is below 2/3 of the median wage. Not poverty by any traditional definition or understanding but typical of the trash our political class trot out every now as an excuse to dip into our wallets.

    I’ll bet that this 52 % have a roof over their heads, that none are begging on the streets, none will be dying of malnutrition (unless it’s the result of feckless fucks as parents), all will have the opportunity of attending a school and if they so wish be educated. All will have access to healthcare.

    Poverty? Don’t make me fucking laugh! Grow up Tories and start challenging this progressive guff.

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    Backwoodsman says:

    Socialism in action = by the socialists, for the socialists.

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    Dogsbreath says:

    “Funny you don’t read about that on the Unison placards”

    YOU ARE RIGHT GUIDO…but then again you don’t see the unelected Coalition doing much about it either.

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    Smig says:

    It’s time to put a stop to these Pilgrims Progress.

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    Insurance says:

    I think you will find that it cost a lot of money to rebuild Lockerbie and clear up all the body parts scattered across South West Scotland.

    And then there was the Libyan embassy seige.

    Not to mention arming the IRA.

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    George Osborne says:

    A labour constituency is a poor constiuency that always votes Labour to remain poor. It’s a class war thing, they can’t bring themselves to live anywhere decent for fear of being called posh poofters.

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    Smig says:

    Progressive Poverty is only having two TVs.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:


    I thought there was a genral election last year?

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    Sickweepuppy says:

    I say we get the overpaid asshats in the 2 main sporting teams to donate 5% of their earnings to the city, that will clear up the poverty over night.

    Except the selfish bastards wouldn’t donate and it wouldn’t actually help because the most deserving of kids will end up exactly where they are while their parents go and drink away, jack up, and pimp up their houses with 60″ 3D TV’s with the monies they recieve, just like they would in most poverty stricken households all over the country.

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    Red or dead ed says:

    Time for another dosage of thatcherism. Surely all the NHS workers can just go off on full sick pay for a little longer until they get their taxpayer pension.

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    Anonymous says:

    I am delighted, and would be even more so if the Climate Change Coordinators and Diversity officers were at the front of the dole queue. But oddly, they seem to be engaged in essential activity. Unlike the bloke that repairs council flats.

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    Smig says:

    Taken from the Red Book of Debating.
    1. Always attack.
    2. Always change the subject.
    3. Always be vague.
    4. If you’re losing the argument blame Thatcher.
    5. If you’re still losing the argument accuse your combatant of being racist.
    6. Don’t forget your expenses claim.

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    Old Tory says:

    No., No, the argument is NOT about cutting jobs its about SAVING money…not always the same thing.

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    Its people’s human Right to have 3d TV

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    is it says:

    The unions need more to protect their members from these Tory Baby killing cuts.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    He will deal with this problem with all the efficacy and dogged determination that he displayed over bin collections.

    Did you really expect anything other than tough words from the Brentwood and Ongar Lunch Mountain??

  34. 34

    Lots of media coverage May 2010. And the smelly one isn’t on the TV anymore.

    I thinks you’re right. There was an election.

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    Archer Karcher says:

    How many civillians are we killing on behalf of our ‘allies’ militant AQ in Libya?
    Of course they, if they gain power, will be better than the ‘mad dog’ in precisely which way?
    The whole adventure is a sorry mess.
    Replacing one dictator with a hard line militant fundementalist regime, with unlimited access to huge oil reserves, is madness, not progress.

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    is it says:

    Agree poverty is absolute not relative

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    Span Ows says:

    Shout it loud, shout it often…

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    Tapestry says:

    The organisation for Council Chief Executives, ironically, is called SOLACE.
    Its founder and head is Kim Ryley who, not long ago, was Britain’s highest paid Council Chief Executive in Hull. He moved to Shropshire in 2010, where the cuts being applied do not apply to Ryley’s fat salary or the salaries of the people who came across with him from Hull.


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    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    But what is Pickles doing about it? He should force some of these changes through to save the public paying through the nose for inadequate services. Decent sized unitary authorities to cut the number of non jobs and in so doing save the country billions and provide decent services.

    Instead he has chose a soft option to bring it to the public’s attention to get us not to vote for them at local elections. He has done a U turn on bins; Gove continues with a weak reform of education instead of bring back grammar schools and a new third tier for the half wits who do not want to learn or need to be taught the norms of civil behaviour. There might be a clue that Gove’s reforms require the academies to be taken out of local authority control. If local authorities aren’t fit for purpose, like the Border Agency, change them so they are. Stop being weak and bring changes that people want. In short stop acting like a weak Liberal.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Socialism in action. As long as someone else is paying.

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    Cletus says:

    I read this with a growing sense of nauseous disbelief. This is a tragi-comic farce. Completely outrageous.

    To me it proves that the Labour party is really a statist, state-workers’ interest group: this Labour council is trying to deliberately foist the cuts onto the poor rather than onto it’s client caste.

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    The enormously odious Bully-Boy Balls says:

    Oi, that’s a breach of my copyright.

  43. 43
    Ed Balls says:


    UK public borrowing falls more than expected in May
    Britain’s public purse received a boost on Tuesday, as borrowing fell slightly more than expected in May, one year into the Coalition’s five year plan to eliminate the UK’s budget deficit.

    ” I have been saying for the last year ” Too slow, not deep enough ” ” Why won’t they listen to me ?”

  44. 44
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Cut the number of local councils and make them fit for purpose. bring in legislation to make it happen, stop the weak liberal policy of hoping everything will be okay and we will take a lead from Europe.

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    Southern Softy says:

    Been watching “Shameless” – always plenty of money for fags, booze, pills etc.
    Be thankfull that the life expectancy is low and the average inhabitant of Madchester will not trouble the pension funds for too long.
    btw have you seen “The Scheme” from an estate in Kilmarnock – absolute hoot and the subtitles are essential.

  46. 46
    rasputin says:

    Labour: representing the public sector unions against the interest of the public.

  47. 47
    The enormously odious Bully-Boy Balls says:

    And you forgot about lying.

  48. 48
    Cast Iron is Brittle says:

    Herts County Council has the 4th worst pensions deficit.

    They are Tory.

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  50. 50
    David Laws Lib Dem fiddler says:

    Exemplified by Blair enriching himself on the back of the dead and wounded.

  51. 51
    Smig says:

    Hello Ed,

    Remind me why I should trust you on economic policy when you can’t even settle your own personal debts.

  52. 52
    Ed Balls says:

    And benefits to pay for the leccy it uses

  53. 53
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The Bloke (Mad Dog) threatened to go doorto door to kill civillians,He is the 2ndmost demented “leader” i have ever seen in action (First being Brown)

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    Chuka says:

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    Labour pandered to the feckless says:

    The poor on the council estate near me get benefits and handouts…

    but manage to afford a bigger “plasmoh” television than me – and an endless supply of “da weed” and bottles of “Quite Frightening” aka White lightening, oh and a disability nissan quasqai.

  57. 57
    Gonk says:

    I think you mean depraved

  58. 58
    Ed Balls says:

    So what.

  59. 59
    Rab C Nesbitt says:

    Bloody hell, competition!

  60. 60
    Ed Balls says:

    So what

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    rasputin says:

    This should be on every single Tory (and, why not, the lib dems too) campaign placard / note / flyer / etc. They’ve betrayed any pretense of their “progressive” (horrible word) mask.

    Labour: if you’re not a public sector union worker, fuck off and starve to death, you paupers

  62. 62
    Anonymous says:

    Pickles – Not fit for purpose?

  63. 63
    Munitions Workers Union Leader says:

    I agree……….no wait a minute………….I………..

  64. 64
    Archer Karcher says:

    And a ‘free’ laptop with internet access.

  65. 65
    Gonk says:

    I think you’re really in the shit
    if you don’t have a wii

  66. 66
    Chukajerkoff says:

    How’s the sex-life?

  67. 67
    Exeter City FC says:

    Do not like Pilgrims.

  68. 68
    I says:

    Don’t waste them

  69. 69
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    But we dont have a Tory goverment?

  70. 70
    Exeter City FC says:

    Never found a World Cup and never will.

  71. 71
    Pickles says:

    Just off to lunch. Toodle-pip

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    retardEd Miliband says:

    If you’re not a non-job parathite, you’re “little people”.

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    daedalus says:

    so I worked fucking hard, go to a great uni, keep working fucking hard, foolishly decide to work in the private sector … and my reward for doing everything the Labour gvt wanted us all to do is: funding union activities (fuck off), funding obscenely generous public-sector pensions (fuck off) and still apparently earn less than some fucking waste-of-space of a fucking Diversity Officer?! FUCKING COCKSUCKING Hunting COCKFACES fuck off and do some real fucking work or at least let my hard-earned tax-money go to help those who need it

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    Anonymous says:

    True. Halve the salary of a Chief Executive and cack his scores of deputies and you can retain hundreds of ‘front line’ staff.

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    daedalus says:

    hah like how they turn C’UNTING into huhning …

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    Brigadier Jackie McDonald says:

    Nor the UDA who gratefully accepted arms from Ghadfy. And the BNP who got 5 000 copies of his green book.

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    NotBallsButMilli says:

    “now fuck off and let your betterth tell you what to do with your life”

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    LibLabCon = clueless fuckwits says:

    I think Chuka’s alluding to Little George’s complete and absolute agreement with Brown’s lunatic levels of taxation, borrowing and spending.

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    Sky News says:

    Cameron’s press conference on live now.

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    Bob Crow's personal waiter at Scott's says:

    Your table is ready, sir.

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    Southern Softy says:

    Rab, by comparison, you are streets ahead. You’re intelligent, good looking well dressed and clearly have a real future in front of you.
    You might even make it to your bus pass.
    The Schemies certainly can’t match any of that.

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    I agree says:

    You really do need to stop sitting on the fence like that. It just won’t do. Tell us what you really think.

  83. 83
    U-turn-crazy Wavey Davey says:

    I’ve decided that India’s space programme needs yoru hard-earned tax money.

    Unless it annoys you, in which case I promise that at some point in the years to come, I’ll stop pissing your money away. I really promise. Really really really.


    I’ll think about it. A bit.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Typical Liebore creep – always looking backwards and living in the past, with nothing to contribute by way of positive (and workable) ideas…..

  85. 85
    U-turn-crazy Wavey Davey says:

    Listen-out for the sound of today’s screeching u-turns, folks!

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    Big Jimmy says:

    If these Council fat cats took a cut in their salaries / pensions and reduced their expenses instead of increasing them. If the elected councillors were worth a light and stood up to these overpaid, unaccountable fuck wits then the cuts to the real needs of society could be moderated and be more acceptable to the population!!

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    Mad Hattie Harman's curiously cavernous front bottom says:

    And what to think.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Wasn’t that more or less the date of “northern rock” give or take a week.

    Clearly George does need a bit of piss taking, but probably along the lines of “silly promises when not in power”

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    Gordon Brown says:

    I am the Walrus !

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    Anonymous says:

    WE don’t have a Tory Party.

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    Sickweepuppy says:

    Shameless isn’t a documentary, but it sure does feel like it at times.

    I’ll look out for The Scheme.

    I’ve been in households that have served up as food stuff that I really wouldn’t feed to a cat (and I do not like cats), but have bigger and better TV’s, sky/cable packages and Hi-Fi systems than people on 4 times their household income.

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    NotBallsButMilli says:

    “But we don’t trutht you to thpend your own money withely”

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    NotBallsButMilli says:

    “and anyway thethe pilgrimth detherve that money for all the hard work they do leafleting and thpending your money. Poor people on the other hand thimply can’t be truthted at all”

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    labourunionsbbc we are one says:


    we shall not be reporting this *click* we shall not be reporting this *click* we shall not be reporting this *click* we shall not be reporting this *click* we shall not (“Peston, be a dear and get that record, will you”) be reporcrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrkk “thanks”

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    Smig says:

    Birmingham has the largest pension deficit.

    With No Overall Control can you guess who is represented by the largest number of councillors.

    Anything you can spin, I can spin better.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Not all that keen on Pilgrims then Daedalus?

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    herewegoagain says:

    Or, put another way…

    Remember when teachers, social workers, bin men, nurses, doctors and lollipop ladies crashed the stock market, wiped out banks, took billions in bonuses and paid no tax? No, me neither.

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    A warning Signal says:

    To be fair to Chuka. That was not George’s finest hour. And it should serve as a reminder that George does not always act in the country’s best interests and also as a warning that he could be 100% wrong in bailing out the Greeks (in reality Franco German bankers)

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    Sickweepuppy says:

    <3 Thatcher, sure she was unpopular, but she made this country a real international power, sadly it's slipping away again.

    We need another STRONG leader with a clear majority to change it again, Labour had the chance but Blair spent too much time trying to popular thinking of his life after politics and how to make a buck with his wide mouthed misses distracting him while she was doing the same, and allowed Brown to fuck us up the ass with his financial policies.

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    Mike Hunt says:

    It is the same as below average intelligence.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Thats probably because it is the actual Hi-Fi system the richer people used to have.

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    Mike Hunt says:

    Don’t forget WPC Fletcher.

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    Hugh Janus says:

    “If the elected councillors were worth a light and stood up to these overpaid, unaccountable fuck wits then the cuts to the real needs of society could be moderated and be more acceptable to the population!!”

    Got it in one, BJ. Here lies the problem. Councillors are a bit reluctant to rock the boat these days, what with their free laptops, broadband, ridiculous titles, pensions and even more ridiculous allowances. They rely on the apathy of their local electorates to remain in office – but not in power of course.

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    Socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

    Nobody hates socialism more than me but this is a point on which you are talking out of your arse Guido.

    There may be 2000 odd people doing UNION work on public money within the pubic sector but that adds up to union reps in workplaces spending part of their working time (agreed with management) on Union duties. These duties DO NOT include agitating for socialism. Spending agreed “facilities time” on political agitation would be gross misconduct and a sackable offense for the employee involved.

    90% of the work done by in office Union reps involves trying to protect ordinary working members from the antics of managers local and national. 90% of the agreed Union time involves trying to help ordinary little people from being abused and pissed on by a nasty class of arrogant, stupid,well-paid jobsworth managers (creatures both of NuLab and fat-arsed Tories alike) who fancy themselves as an “elite” and spend their time bullying and treating the ordinary workforce like shit. Most managers are ok but there are more than enough arseholes to keep Union reps busy.If a muzzles could be put on management idiots most of this Union time would not be needed in the first place.

    These arrangements have been in place since the 1920s and have helped vast numbers of employees get fair and decent treatment over the years. That is fair and decent treatment and redress of genuine grievences not agitation for socialism. I have no problem with people receiving fair and decent treatment and getting help and protection from some of the arseholes that life throws at us all from time to time.

    Why do Union reps do this in worktime? Because it is hardly reasonable to expect them to work all day and then do 2 or 3 hours extra work in an evening as well. As a practical matter how could they represent their members or even talk to managers outside of the working day. You can be sure managers will not give up their evenings to do extra-unpaid work nor could they consult their own masters out of hours.

    It is a tragedy that socialism infests the Trade Union movement in this country but then socialism infests most institutions in this nation including the Tory party.
    The only people who are actively campaigning for leftism are full-time Union staff who are NOT part of workplace but are employees of the Union itself, paid for by Union members voluntary deductions. Thus Union members themselves will be none too happy about Bob Crow’s dining habits, paid for with their hard-earned contributions.

    Likewise Mark Serwotka, PCS head man spends a lot of his members money on this bullshit “Tax Justice” campaign instead of focusing on the fact that his members have agreed contractual terms and the present crew are busy trying to get around the law of contract.

    I’m sure this tosser MP and his plastic faced master Cammy would be very happy to reach a situation where all of his boss class chums could piss on ordinary people in the workplace with near impunity.

    If you have evidence that shows this Pilgrim female attending political meetings/action on paid facilities time then send it to her bosses and get her sacked.

    By campaigning against facilities time all you will achieve is to make life worse for a lot of ordinary little people. You will not harm or stop socialist trouble-making in the slightest degree.

    The system you are now trying to attack has been going since the 1920s and has resolved 1000s of potential disputes and saved the british taxpayer a fortune in the process.

    I’m all in favour of the destruction of socialism but the injustices that would follow from the removal of the present system would probably serve more like a recruitment drive for the left than anything else.

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    About Face. says:

    I think Dave has been out on the Top Gear circuit with the Stig. His Handbrake turns are impeccable.

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    AC1 says:

    They did. The state borrowed billions to fund these “employees” and had to lower reserves to create that debt.

    Increasing debt lowered yields below the natural rate of risk.

    Default was inevitable after that.

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    How about a union tax?
    They’ve got so much money they’re always spending it on rubbish like 1st class travel for Ed Miliband,leadership contests or looney think tanks.

    If they’ve got that much cash surely they can help out the poorest in society and pay 70% tax on their contributions?

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    The problem with socailisim is that they always run out of other peoples money.

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    AC1 says:

    No-one deprived them of anything.

    The deprived areas are where the workers live. The state deprives them of over half their income.

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    Sickweepuppy says:

    Pensions have been eroded (spelling?) over decades and BOTH political parties are as much to blame as the other, it started in the 80’s and has been allowed to get worse over the years, and infact laws have been introduced on both sides that have helped the situation get as bad as it is.

    They (MP’s) have known for a very long time pensions would be a problem but have done nothing until it’s too late to fix easily, why? because any changes that need to be made are unpopular and would lose votes. Welcome to politics people!

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    Lessons in Economics for Socialist Twats Pt 1 says:

    They rob the state with their rdiculous over the top wages, sick note mentalty and bloated pensions. And then, when they want more, they go on strike, depriving the taxpayers of the crap service.

    Since the big bang in the city, trillions have poured into the exchequer in tax revenue etc. The banking crisis has already been repaid if you look at the value of the highly profitable banks in government ownership.

    But I ask you this, when has a public sector worker ever contributed a penny of tax that wasn’t already given by a private sector worker.

    The banks have repaid their debt and their high earning employees are already having to bankroll the feckless state again.

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    AC1 says:

    Child Poverty means feckless parents, nothing else.

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    Mr U Turn says:

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    daedalus says:

    I fucking hate public sector unions. They’re whole purpose is to gouge taxpayers for more money and to make the public sector less efficient, more costly and perpetually locked into some weird twisted dependency relationship with the union-backed labour party.

    I fucking hate lazy fucking scroungers sponging money they haven’t fucking earned. If your job is to be a full time nurse, then FUCKING BE A NURSE AND SAVE SOME FUCKING LIVES rather than whip-up false outrage over the latest (modest) cuts.

    Pilgrims combined these two loathsome characteristics and do so at double the cost: once to pay for them, and once to pay for what they’re meant to be doing. They’re evil, evil, small-minded hypocritical little shits of the very worst kind.

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    Phoney Tony Bliar and his money-grabbing missus says:

    Roll up, roll up! Minibus rides – only a tenner!!

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    The unions should pay for it, not taxpayers, that is what members pay their subs are for after all.

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    BLOB CROW says:


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    Anonymous says:

    Today in Greece

    The people versus EUSSR

    Who will win?

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    Sickweepuppy says:

    hehehe quite possibly, aren’t crims are getting wise these days though, and sell on stuff they steal to buy legit and keep receipts of stuff they own, that way they can’t be done for receiving?…

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    Hugh Janus says:

    There you go again, holding back on what you really feel….

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    Number 10's Cat says:


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    Stelios says:

    Shouldn’t Dave be enforcing a no fly zone over Greece and supporting the rebels?

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    The brain-washed proletariat, cheer-led by the state broadcaster says:

    Boo! Bankers! Climate change deniers! Euro-sceptics! ‘Fair’ tax! Anti-Multi-culturalists! Anti-Immigrationists!

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    Eric Pigtrougher says:

    I am a politician. It is not our job to make things work that is the job of the bureaucrat. If things don’t work, it is the politicians job to bring it to the attention of the public, or cover it up, if it is near an election. If things still don’t work after we have brought it to the attention of the public, then I am afraid we are all f*cked. It would seem that that is currently the case with Local Government.

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    Smig says:

    Do you remember when a bunch of incompetents were costing the country the equivalent of a Black Wednesday every TEN days?

    Unfortunately, the current shower of incompetents are “only” costing us a Black Wednesday once every ELEVEN days.

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    Anonymous says:

    Is there any point now in revealing these corruptions?

    Nobody does any thing about it any way.

    What has changed since the expenses debacle in parliament?

    Absolutely nothing.

    These people, politicians etc, are there to line their own pockets at the expense of the public, always did, always will.

    And investigative journalism apart from Guido has been dumbed down any way.

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    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    “Itdoesnt matter whoyou vote for , the Goverment always wins”

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    Phwooar says:

    Jenni Falconer’s cleavage on ITV.

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    BLOB CROW says:





  130. 130
    Gordon Brown says:

    I am Bucks Fizz.

  131. 131
    Stan Butler says:

    There is a world of difference between a shop stupid spending 10 minutes in the bosses office to sort out a shop floor matter and spending 100% of your time carrying out union work whilst in the employ of the public. I have no problem with the shop steward. I have major issues with the second. If the unions want full time, or almost full time officials in place then the unions should pay for them. It’s funny that these Pilgrims only exist in the public sector, isn’t it?

  132. 132
    Rab C Nesbitt says:

    “You might even make it to your bus pass.”

    I think my liver has other ideas.

  133. 133
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Sorry lad ,I agree with our esteemed hoat on this one,Tis not as the unions are skint (20million fighting fund?),plus they can afford topay Bob Crow 100k a year.

  134. 134
    Handycock, No1 Trougher in Parliament says:

    Eric Pickles is doing a fine job and I should know being a lifelong councillor and MP. You ignorant complainants on this blog and elsewhere, fail to realise that politicians and their supporting bureaucrats, run things entirely for their satisfaction, not yours. So stop whining and let us get on with the troughing.

  135. 135
    Yummy says:

    Who’s the goddess presenting sports news on Sky News right now?

  136. 136
    AC1 says:

    and Grant Schapps con-servatives are the rent-seeking party for land bankers and bailing out BtL specualtors.

    Between the two we’re screwed.

  137. 137
    Smokie says:

    Speaking as one of Larry the cats Battersea constituents I note that although he claims to have caught 3 mice he was drafted into No.10 to solve the rat problem, is he really up to the job in hand?, sucking up to Obama who its well known keeps a Portuguese dog at the Whitehouse dispels the myth of any so called ‘special relationship’.

  138. 138
    MrAngry61 says:

    If, she was in fact killed by a Libyan bullet. Acoustical analysis of the gun-shot and the meandering path that the slug took through her body suggests to some experts that her assailant used a revolver at extreme range, rather than the Sterling machine-gun that the Libyans sprayed the (buildings at the opposite end of the) square with.

  139. 139
    Sick to Death Taxpayer says:

    Fight back against these Troughers jojn the Taxpayer’s Alliance on:


  140. 140
    AC1 says:

    In reality those Bond Holders of the Franco German Banks.

  141. 141
    Smokie says:

    Meou!, FFS, modded again.

  142. 142
    lola says:

    Exactly – therefore “52% of children in Manchester live in poverty, is a lie.

  143. 143
    bird with small brain says:

    On the subject of who pays for what: just watched the UNISON chap on the box who expects ‘people’ to support his probable strike action.

    I’m ‘people,’ so it seems he wants me to help him win, with the consequence that I will have to pay for his pension as well as mine.

    Um. I’ll have to think about this…….

  144. 144
    Handycock (Teen Fondler) says:

    I don’t know but I am sending her a teddybear.

  145. 145
    AC1 says:

    If all you do is spin, then a U-turn is the most natural move.

  146. 146
    HandsomeDavid says:

    They have to. The unions are Labour’s paymasters.

  147. 147
    Socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride says:

    The taxpayer pays for an enourmous amount of time and money wasted by managers. What about that?

    As I say this system has gone on since the 1920s and has worked well enough up until now.

    You have not read my post Guido. The vast majority of time used by Union reps is in response to antics (very often dirty tricks) initiated by management. The vast bulk of Union time is not happening because of something the Union wants or is doing. The Union reps are having to respond to the attacks of the mangement on ordinary members, attacks both large and small.

    These managers are using YOUR MONEY, taxpayers money to play at being important. There is no check on the amount they can and do waste. The very senior leaders of the senior civil service have wasted and continue to waste billions of pounds on failed useless IT systems.
    Even at lower regional, area and office levels, vast amounts of cash are wasted on a daily basis.

    In practice, management have access to unlimited public funds with which to play themselves, empire build and mistreat staff. Most Union members, despite the media fantsies are not well-paid and would be hard pressed to afford to be able to match the amount of cash (YOUR CASH) that the bosses can afford to spunk away. The amount facilites time costs the public is miniscule compared to the amount wasted by the bosses of the public sector.

  148. 148
    rasputin says:

    Daedalus — presenting the Pilgrim Award:


  149. 149
    That's News says:

    Ironic though this might seem, the interests of democracy might be best served by abolishing councils who act like Manchester and having them replaced with Victorian-style Improvement Commissioners?

  150. 150
    MrAngry61 says:

    No, because paying union officials is probably viewed by councils as a) an employee benefit, b) a way to head off labour discontent by diverting grievances into a dispute resolution procedure rather than negotiate with the mob & c) promoting union membership in general as part of their ideological outlook.

    Conversely the TPA offers councils nothing except blood, sweat and tears, followed by either extinction by municipal reform or ejection by disgruntled voters.

  151. 151
    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

    Yes-well said-but it’s not just about unions Guido-what about the idiot that runs the CRE-what kind criminal waste of money is that with a chairman who despite all manner bigotry is allowed to keep his job because he is black/coloured?
    Is that a no go area, because as far as I am concerned this country needs to save money from all quarters, and having an organisation such as this is a financial folly which panders to a poltical correctness that the country cannot afford.
    He is also allowed to say that Muslims integrate better than Christians.Excuse me I think he’ll find we’ve been here in this country for a few thousand years.
    What an outrage!!

  152. 152
    Judge Judy says:

    If the schools geography teacher is spending 100% of their time on union duties – who the hell is teaching the kids geography ?

    A supply teacher – you have to be joking.

    We know that ‘pilgrm’ did not attend a meeting with the minister in charge of education – where she could have asked questions and represented her members…… but she refused to attend – a political act…..

    She is not a nurse !

    Also you say just 2000 people – but that 2000 x £40k = £80 million a year, so whats the total over a lifetime of a parliament and whats the pension costs of this bunch ?

    the full cost will bring tears to your eyes.

    spot on guido -

  153. 153
    MrAngry61 says:


  154. 154
    Errr..... says:

    Their pay should be pro-rata union paid / actual employer paid. If it warrants a full time position then they should be employed solely by the union. An arrangement can be made WRT office space.

    I’ve worked in the private section for 17 years and have never needed a union. Maybe I’ve just been lucky.

  155. 155
    AC1 says:

    Well that’s the basis of NHS care.

    Noone can afford healthcare, so if you pay for yours and someone elses it’s magically affordable!

  156. 156
    Maximus says:

    A) Probably similar to “Oi what yous doin’ gettin’ a job with real work for? You daft or summat?”
    B) Balances don’t have interests. Isn’t that self-evident?

  157. 157
    MrAngry61 says:

    No-one’s going to nuke Germany – they’re not worth it.

    Nuking France would be far more rewarding – they have a Force de Frappe, and probably would sow more mayhem by threatening to use it.

  158. 158
    An Englishman says:

    “The only people who are actively campaigning for leftism are full-time Union staff who are NOT part of workplace but are employees of the Union itself, paid for by Union members voluntary deductions.”

    That is unsubstantiated and unsubstantiable – and manifestly untrue since this matter came to the surface, and acquired its informal title, because a nurse who was paid by her employer to spend all her time on union business – a full-time ‘pilgrim’ – was seen to be using that time for political, socialist, anti-Conservative agitation.

    Just because some Union reps do some useful things does not mean that they do so all or most of the time, or that none never do.

    In any case, you completely ignored the main issue – union business should be paid for by union funds, not by the taxpayer.

    And putting that a different way, if the taxpayer pays for the useful union activities, that must mean union subs are to pay for the not-useful activities – for left-wing agitation, or for anything Bob Crow ever does.

  159. 159
    Bob Crow's personal waiter at Scott's actually said says:

    Go on Sir, it’s just a waffer theen meent!

  160. 160
    Cammo the Courageous says:

    Stelios, do you have any aeroplanes we can rent to do this? My friends in the City pay rather well.

  161. 161
    Dunlaggin says:

    As the budget has to be signed off by the EU in advance, any incoming government has to have previously agreed to stick to the spending figures.You will recall that Brown did exactly that before they got in, to start their reign of terror.

  162. 162
    annette curton says:

    It’s subliminal political comment… everything has gone tits-up again.

  163. 163
    Call me Dave says:

    I give you a cast iron guarantee we will address this issue once we have given the promised referendum on the EU constitution and have sorted out the pro-Labour bias at the BBC.

  164. 164
    Harriet Harperson says:

    But he is a white male and must be first to suffer.

  165. 165
    MrAngry61 says:


    Very impressive!

  166. 166
    Jess The Dog says:

    Why not set up a ‘virtual union’ for everyone, free of charge, with no political affiliation, as part of the Big Society? Call it the ‘Open Union’, like the ‘Open University’. No snout-troughing barons… no non-employment campaigns… run by volunteers.

  167. 167
    Anonymous says:

    I wasn’t talking about voting

  168. 168
    Moussa Koussa says:


    You really have a problem with unions don’t you Guido. Is it the Unions themselves or the 6 million members that you despise. Union members include airline pilots, GP’s, surgeons, MP’s, Lawyers, Bin men, nurses, cleaners, architects, teachers, teaching assistants, dinner ladies, shop staff, publishers, IT consultants, lecturers, nursery workers,……errrr so you hate them all. Twat


    The PM ( twat boy ) has criticised military chiefs who have spoken out in public about the UK’s role in Libya.

    Errrrrrrrrr seemed quite happy for those same chiefs to speak out regarding Afghanistan and Iraq pre May 2010….Plonker

  169. 169
    Moussa Koussa says:

    Yeap… running scared

  170. 170
    Kevin T says:

    All local councils should be abolished and replaced with separate regional agencies in charge of sanitation, the roads, etc. Get the politicians and the layers of management out of the way and either fund the services directly or privatise them. That way you might get your bin emptied weekly instead of having to watch some demented LibDem prick on TV saying that people were glad their rubbish was being left to rot for a fortnight.

    No one votes for local councillors anyway, the few who turn out treat local elections as a poll on central government, so why have them?

  171. 171
    I don't need no doctor says:

    Unison is a cash cow for those at the top, namely the scum union bosses and the hangers on.
    It is not about the workers, if it was the vote turn out of members would be near 100%.
    Open your eyes union members! Your the ones that are going to lose out, not the union leaders.

  172. 172
    daedalus says:

    they wish they were even worthy of being No Talent Ass Clowns.

  173. 173
    Postlethwaite says:

    Hang them by those bloody ‘thumbs’

  174. 174
    Anonymous says:

    From experience I can tell you the vast majority of rentseekers are socialists and corporate socialists

  175. 175
    John Prescott ate my donut says:

    “They are cutting 2,000 jobs in order to support their quarter of a million pound CEO”

    They are paying each of those 2000 people £125 a year?


  176. 176
    Infuriated of West Mids says:

    Daedalus, I think I love you!

    (If you’re a fellow chap – as I suspect you are – then I apologise, and we’ll just have to agree to awkwardly shake hands, look at the floor, shuffle our feet uncomfortably and move on…. :-D)

  177. 177
    Thick Northern Twat (by 'eck) says:

    £125? That’s a good wage up north. Happen you can buy a lot of mushy peas an’ t’pigs’ trotters wi’ that, by gum.

  178. 178
    Anonymous says:

    Lawyers,architects and IT consultants are in the main self-employed whether owners or partners,thats by the by,As Guido explained earlier union work should be paid for by unions-all lefty morons such as yourself try to draw generalised battle lines to show that their beloved unions have wide ranging appeal,in fact some are members of many unions and the majority of workers are members of none-it is 100 years since the first labour inspired legislation hit the statute book and it has continued ad infinitum since-surely unions are no longer necessary!

  179. 179
    Cast Iron is Brittle says:

    So what?

    So, it proves the Tories are no better than those they seek to villify.

  180. 180
    Cast Iron is Brittle says:

    Un true

    May 5 2011 East Herts District Council

    Executive Member and Joint Deputy Leader Cllr Carver had his majority of 450 ‘ish reduced to 27

    Local people do vote for quality local candidates

  181. 181
    misterned says:

    to: Socialism has murdered 150 million human beings pride,

    Most people are not against unions. Unions definitely have their place and have undoubtedly helped thousands of workers get fair treatment. However unions should not get too powerful either or we end-up back in the late 1970s.

    That is NOT what this whole “Pilgrim” thing is about. The shop steward being allowed time by management to ensure fair play is a good thing. After all, there are tosspots in management and tosspots who take the piss in the workforce too. BOTH need weeding out and there needs to be fair treatment by management and fairness in work productivity by workers too. A fair day’s work for a fair day’s pay.

    What the Pilgrim issue is about is the full time union reps, paid for from the tax-payer who spend their time agitating for political action.

    Simply put, it is about those 100% tax-payer funded union NAZIs who use workers as a weapon, to attack a political target. They do not give a shit about the workers and spend all their time trying to make things difficult for management and they are hated by workers too. They get in the way, make trouble and everyone would be better off without them.

    Admittedly it is a small minority of union reps, but there should not be ANY of them. ALL union work should be paid by the union out of voluntary subs. And yes the middle management toss-pots should be exposed and got rid of. Just like the slackers in the workforce who only seem to exist to make trouble for everyone else and spend their time looking for ways to not do their jobs.

    I am in favour of decent shop stewards who want to make the work-day better for everyone, and increase productivity the through hard work of happy and motivated employees.

  182. 182
    misterned says:

    It is phenomonally insulting and offensive that the head of the CRE could even suggest that Christians should “integrate”. It is a CHRISTIAN COUNTRY For Fucks sake!

    The fact that so many fucking Moslems and Jews and followers of all other religions and none come and live here and practice their beliefs, WITHOUT being burned at the stake shows that the Christian majority in this country actually DO accept and “integrate” far more than any other fucking “minority” This would not have happened here some 300 – 400 years ago.

    What a cheeky fucker!

  183. 183
    misterned says:

    I remember when they cost us that every seven days. That was when labour was still in power in 2009.

  184. 184
    misterned says:

    Depends on the jobs being cut doesn’t it? Cutting a few overpaid pen-pushing socialists who deliver no value to the tax-payer, but who only exist to build their own empires or like-minded pen-pushers and consultants and check-box ticking officers and get themselves deeper and deeper into the trough,
    cutting thousands of front-line people delivering essential services?

    Hmmmmm tricky one that…….

  185. 185
    the only way is anal says:

    pickles – fat cun*t, worse than useless

  186. 186
    the only way is anal says:

    george is much more comfortable in the company of mandelsohn, rothschild and others with good old fashioned british names.

    he’s hardly going to waste his valuable time on the little people is he?

  187. 187
    the only way is anal says:

    it’s a pity that you’re so upset, but you just need to accept that you’ve been taken for a clueless cun*t.

    don’t worry though – you’re in good company

  188. 188
    misterned says:

    Tony Blair’s labour party never ever managed to get more than 50% share of the popular vote in any of the General elections he fought.

    The coalition represents 59.1% of the popular vote. The coalition was elected by a clear majority and therefore has the strongest mandate of any government for over 60 years.

    It shows how fucked the election system is in this country though that if Brown’s labour had won as many votes in 2010 as John Major’s tories had in 1997, (when they were slaughtered at the polls), that Brown would have still been PM at the head of a labour liberal coalition.

  189. 189
    misterned says:

    Who the fuck is stupid enough to buy stolen goods at the retail price? Such knobheads deserve to be nicked for receiving!

  190. 190
    misterned says:

    Too many fuckwits use it as a lifestyle guide though.

    The next big lifestyle guru, life coach extraordinaire: Frank Gallagher!!!

    Come back Tony Robbins, all is forgiven!

  191. 191
    misterned says:

    The labour party have only ever done 2 things for the poor.

    1. Increase their numbers.
    2. Increase their dependency on the state.

    The labour party treat the poor with utter contempt. Always have and always will. Sadly, too many poor people are brought up conditioned to believe that the labour party is “For people like them”.

    It isn’t and it never ever was.

    The tories are not for the poor either, and they have never really pretended to be, but they do open up opportunities for the poor to help themselves out of poverty, if they have the determination, desire, persistence and luck to do so.

    The labour statists only create the opportunity for the state to push the formerly poor, back down into state dependency again.

  192. 192
    Stalin, manchester City Council. says:

    The ends justify the means brother. We will sacrifice some peasants in order to demonstrate to the masses what callous idealogues there are in the tory party!!

  193. 193
    misterned says:

    So the three councils with worse deficits are…….

    …………Not tory?

    Did Herts tories inherit that deficit by any chance?

  194. 194
    misterned says:

    Except that there are councils that are worse than them, who are not tory, so your argument is false.

  195. 195
    misterned says:

    If there had been an election IN 2007!!!

    Labour spending increased BEYOND those projected levels after 1997. That labour argument that the tories would have spent the same amount is utterly bollocks.

    As is the case now, the tories are slashing to the bone and beyond with savagery and baby killing hatred in their blackened hearts as they cut projected expenditure by a massive 3%. /sarc!

    So the tories ARE keeping to labour’s 1997 projected spending plans. If not spending MORE than it!

    So Chuka…… FUCK OFF!

  196. 196
    misterned says:

    Nice one daedalus. A your rants are truly worthy and mirror my own feelings about the thieving parasitic bastards on the public tit!

    All tax is theft!

  197. 197
    Humpty Dumpty says:

    I am the eggman

  198. 198
    misterned says:

    Well the people of Greece have rather taken to a viral video explaining the concept of “odious debt”. Simply put, it is a debt incurred by government which being so vexatious and so damaging that the people do not have a lawful obligation to be stuck with the bill.

    This is going to get interesting… Not nice, nor enjoyable, but definitely… interesting.

  199. 199
    Tapestry says:

    Maybe so. But if the nukes are being got ready for Libya, they will need a false flag nuclear attack to make it seem justified. Berlin is apparently going to be it, according to some pretty well-informed people. Watch out, Germany, on Sunday this week.

    The French are probably going to nuke themselves, they’ve got so many nuclear power stations, weapons and reprocessing plants. After witnessing Fukushima, the Germans have realised that nuclear power is a trap and they’re getting rid of it.

    By the way, no news from Japan. That’s how bad it is. The worldwide toxification of humanity proceeds apace, as well as the acceleration and escalation of the wars. No tinfoil. No conspiracy. Just facts.

  200. 200
    Tapestry says:

    S.O.L.A.C.E. stands for Society Of Local Authority Chief Executives, BTW.

    It could equally stand the Society for Legalised Abuse of Children by state Employees judging by the facts emerging in the Holly Greig case.
    Holly moved to Shropshire from Scotland, and has suffered ongoing harassment there by Shropshire Council employees who have illegally seized all the papers and potential evidence from her house, which might have been used in bringing State employed child rapists to justice. See above link for details.

  201. 201
    Call me Infidel says:

    It’s also relative poverty rather than absolute poverty. So not having a 42″ plasma telly means you are living in relative poverty nowadays. As Trinny says its bollocks. Bring back the workhouse for these deadbeats.

  202. 202
    MrAngry61 says:

    So are many GPs and most Consultants (at least – many of them moonlight for several days each week).

    Also, I’ve never met an IT worker who wanted to be employed, let alone in a union.

  203. 203
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    they also have £100,000,000 in the bank!

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