Compare and Contrast
“Gordon Brown today broke his silence on the release of the Lockerbie bomber, saying that the UK government had done no deal with Libya and that he was “angry and repulsed” at the scenes of jubilation in Tripoli.”
“The former Labour Government did “all it could” to help Libya secure the release of the Lockerbie bomber, Britain’s most senior civil servant is to admit today”
It’s almost as if they weren’t telling the truth at the time…
UPDATE: Details are starting to leak:
“Policy was, therefore, progressively developed that Her Majesty’s Government should do all it could, while respecting devolved competencies, to facilitate an appeal by the Libyans to the Scottish government for Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi’s release under the Prisoner Transfer Agreement (PTA) or for release on compassionate grounds. Such an approach was understood across all relevant departments.”
Which is the polar opposite from Brown’s speech in September 2009:
“On our part, there was no conspiracy, no cover-up, no double-dealing, no deal on oil, no attempt to instruct Scottish ministers, no private assurances by me to (Libyan leader) Colonel (Muammar) Gaddafi. We were absolutely clear throughout with the Libyans and everyone else that this was a decision for the Scottish government.”
Messy.
UPDATE II: GOD’s report is out.
Gordon Brown, liar in chief.
It was the right thing to do.
You are truly disgusting, and that’s no joke !
Sue made e do it.
Guido, this has all been in the public forum for some time.
Read the letters between Nulab and the Scottish parliament. The Scottish were practically begging NuLab to exclude Megrahi from the prisoner release.
NuLab (Jack Straw), said no, it’s your call. Scottish minister said, if you don’t exlcude him we will have no legal grounds to keep him in prison.
NuLab said, it’s your call.
Read the letters, one link is NuLab letters, other link is Scottish minister letters.
http://www.justice.gov.uk/news/docs/20080211-jack-straw-to-alex-salmond-prisoner-transfer-agreement-libya.pdf
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/925/0085873.pdf
Guido, this has all been in the public forum for some time
And now, it is being debated in a forum that matters! Funny old world, isn’t it?
I can remember the day they were about to release Megrahi, thinking that Michael Shields family would be on the phone to their solicitor. Then, as if by magic, he was quietly set free,, although Jack Straw had been saying he could not secure his release. It was obvious to me Straw could not get one “off” without the other.Its funny how they can suddenly make things happen when it suits them!
Except that Megrahi is innocent and the real bombers are still at large.
Exactly, see Private Eyes ad nauseam.
Doesn’t excuse the Mcmentalist’s disgusting, barefaced lying. Evidence piling up for a private prosecution of McBust-us-all?
Why do you think Brown and now Cameron still won’t release all the documents despite being asked to by the scottish executive ?
Based on what I was told by civil service I made the right decision. And look, here’s the document I took the trouble to get written, rewritten and indeed rewritten again at the time in case the question ever arose.
I wouldn’t go that far. But no-one has given evidence for a conviction. Certainly not on this blog.
If one sees this as a way of getting the justice system off the hook, it becomes a conspiracy to cover up a cockup (which is altogether rather more mundane and believable) rather than anything more evil.
It was the right thing to do, it started in America and I saved the world.
Yes, Red Ed’s Tom Baldwin wrote:
Lockerbie paper trail leads to Gordon Brown
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6817850.ece
Complete deathly silence from Toenails…. QFS.
We are trying to find the Coulson angle.
Hang Brown!
What’s Brown got in common with a k unt?
Everything.
k unts are useful. Brown has more in common with The Black Death
Or the bubonic plague.
The Blue Bollocks plague, in Brown’s case.
Knuts are useful. The trouble is that Brown has neither the warmth nor depth to satisy.
The truth is always the diametric opposite to what any government says…. If you remember this simple rule you will have insight.
That’s Sciatico’s rule:
The more something is hyped or promoted by government, the more likely it is to be wrong, BS or a bastard lie.
make up your fucking mind fatty
you were trying to pin all the blame on the SNP mere hours ago
Only in your fucked up head. It’s quite clear there is enough shit in this one to swamp both Labour and the SNP.
Do fuck off you ignorant twat.
Anyone who knows anything about the decision and McTernan weren’t touching this obvious smear by an infamous Bliarite Labour Spinner with a bargepole. It’s classic pre-election smear tactics from Labour. Only Fawkes was gullible enough to bite.
It’s bullshit.
Though you do sound stupid enough to believe moronic Blairite spin like WMD.
Smear the SNP? Their record speaks for itself.
How’s the Edinburgh tram thing they promised to shit-can coming along? Still got half the fucking roads torn up? What a surprise.
Labour didn’t do much right but at least they shit-canned a few schemes they had planned for the north of England as it became obvious what a clusterfuck Edinburgh’s was proving to be. Not a surprise to anybody with an IQ greater than a fish mind you.
Pre-election smear? There’s an election?
In May fucknuts.
Oh, you mean local elections. I thought you meant general election. Too bad the SNP doesn’t stand here in West Sussex. I’d vote for them.
Were you good at peddling your Labour spin about Iraq WMD jgm2?
I bet you thought Iraq was a GREAT idea, didn’t you ?
You ignorant Blairite fuckwit.
Read what I had to say about Gulf War II (before the fact)…
http://boards.fool.co.uk/im-against-war-we-leave-saddam-in-power-we-lift-7743533.aspx
Do I ever tire of being right?
No. Although it can be a bit depressing being a Cassandra at such times.
Wow! And only most of the British public and well over a million demonstrators thought so at the time. You really did have mighty insight to call that one right like almost everyone else.
Yet now you believe the obvious smears of a Blairite Labour spinner without question in the run up to the May elections.
You must be really depressed and tired to be so wrong on this one.
That’ll be the tram scheme that was forced through by the opposition at the start of the SNP administration? The one the SNP tried to can?
Too much, I see, for you to admit you were wrong about me.
Not in the Little Scotlander’s mentality to admit they were wrong at all.
you were wrong about the trams and wrong about the story
time to man up and admit you were wrong first
Did the SNP stop the tram clusterfuck as per their manifesto? Yes or No?
That’ll be a ‘No’ then.
Ho hum. Right again.
jgm2, you are an ignorant twat. The SNP was the only party to vote AGAINST the edinburgh trams project. Labour, tories and lib dums pushed it through. Again, you’re an ignorant twat. Do a bit of fact finding before you sound off next time. Twat.
jgm2 You are a Knob. The SNP are a minority administration. How much do you think Cameron could put through if he wasn’t in a coalition?
They have done better than the Zanu pricks who were in before them. And with much less corruption.
If you don’t know what you are talking about its wiser to shut the fuck up.
lol when Blairite brains short circuit. The Edinburgh trams were a poisonous welcome card to the SNP Government from their opposition colleagues.
The SNP bitterly opposed them. Got it now?
Oh dear, tat is rapidly losing the plot.
The whiny get never had it.
no you didn’t tat
Oh dear, tat is back to whining like a pussy.
Not fair to pussies. Pussies miaow, or make squelchy noises.
Especially when put in the blender, right Engineer?
I thought that was frogs, but you may be right. Oh – and you’d have to leave the top off so that the smoke from their Gauloises could escape.
The smoke adds to the flavour, surely?
Once a liar always a liar.
The revealed incompetance of James Gordon Brown just grows and grows.
How is it that he is allowed to get away scot-free?
The same reason Ed Balls doesn’t, like any normal person, curl up and die of shame and embarrassment. He’s fucking mental.
ALL POLITIANS ARE FUCKING LYING BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL POLITICANS ARE LYING BASTARDS OF THE LOWEST KIND!! THERE IS A COMPLETE INSUFFICENCY OF LANGUAGE TO DESCRIBE THE SHEER EVIL THAT IS THE POLITICAL CLASS IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Guido, this isn’t following the Labour nat bashing line closely enough for my liking.
Try again will you?
As a result of wikileaks this was front page news in the Telegraph last week. Not a peep from the Beeb at the time- not surprised really, since a labour government lying to spring a convicted terrorist from jail is hardly news these days. But it is an indication of just how low this country has sunk when we shrug our shoulders at such treason.
It was Sue’s idea. I was repulsed but you know she is such a bigot.
Quite. There are no other words for it. He was, and is, a fucking lying shitehawk. As is Balls.
The Moron Brown is obviously still out of touch with reality ! Seems like his 6 month break did not one single iota of good. I have a feeling that sectioning him is the only way he might come back to reality !
He is in a state of perpetual and constant denial ! Still thinks he’s prime minister no doubt !
It’s worse than that: for the past 35 years he’s continued to believe he’s a lecturer in Politics at Glasgow College of Technology.
And that he’s married and has two kids (who incidentally are back in the ophanage from which they were “borrowed” to make Brown look like a normal human being.)
Where am I?
gordon would have done anything to stay in office, if him and sarah doing a nude can can out side of number ten would have clinched it they would have done it- so whats a little bending of the truth matter
+1
A nude can can eh! I wonder of John would go potty hmmm
He wouldn’t be Happy.
He’d be Grumpy, more like. ……or was it Sleazy? I forget the names of the other four.
Dear God, no! Erase.. my.. mind!
anyone else noted the similarities between Brown and Mubarak with regard to holding on to their jobs – i.e. it does not matter what damage I inflict as long as my job is safe. a pair of cnuts,
This was the numbnut who said he didn’t take any notice of the polls when he bottled the ’97 election.
soz, that shud be 2007 election
Praise be to God.
He’d have won that 2007 election at a canter and so, instead of merely squandering his way to the 2010 election, he’d still be squandering his way to an election due in October 2012. It would be Weimar Republic time. Print another 200bn Mr Brown? Certainly Mr Brown. To pay the civil service again this week Mr Brown? Certainly Mr Brown.
We’d be b*rtering packets of seeds for BMWs and burning million pound notes to keep warm.
What use would a BMW be with petrol at £55,000 per litre?
Sorry, £65,000 per litre.
Sorry, £75,000 per litre.
Sorry..
Hence bartering it for some seeds to grow your own carrots.
Yes, I guessed that bit, but who’d trade food for a large Bavarian garden ornament?
One man’s Bavarian garden ornament is another man’s chicken coop.
Bugger. Why didn’t I think of that?
It would be quite good for getting seeds to grow in springtime.
Very good sockpuppet. Black paint all over the bodywork and you’ve got a regular little greenhouse even in winter. Your own little marijuana plantation without the need for high-powered lamps.
What’s the difference between a BMW and a Hedgehog?
With a hedgehog the prick’s on the outside?
What’s the difference between your ex and a super-injunction against the tabloids?
A Mexican, when he can be bovvered.
Pants on fire now.
Gordon Brown’s Diary 6th February.
Open pre school reading centre in Cowdenbeath, attend book signing in Dunfermline books shop on how to save the world economy.
Attend debate in House of Commons following PM’s statement on Lockerbie Bomber? NOOOOOOOO!
What are the odds he’ll bottle the book signing, like he did in December?
Are there any idiots out there who will actually buy the book?
I doubt it. I bet the publisher bought 6,000 copies to get it into the chart. Other than those sales.. zip.
Nope.
Torn out pages are not even useful as toilet paper – there’s already crap on both sides.
I suspect that the history books are not going to be kind to Brown at all.His reputation is going to be trashed and deservedly so.
It was Winston Churchill who said ‘History will be kind to me for I intend to write it’. Brown has had this Churchill complex for as long as I’ve been aware of his existence. His whole political time in the spotlight has been some bizarre homage to what he thinks a ‘great leader’ should act like. Hence his risible amateur histories and books on ‘Courage’ to try and emulate Churchill’s definitive ‘History of the Great War’.
His laughable ‘War Cabinets’ when the F&M ‘crisis’ broke in week one of his idiocy. His staged G20 events where you could see he fondly imagined himself in the role of Churchill to Putin’s Stalin and Obama’s Roosevelt at Yalta. His scurrying off to tick the Saudis off when oil went above 100USD last time like some latter-day Palmerston – ‘Look here Johnny Arab, you’d better pump more pol or I’ll blockade Jeddah’
Always giving speeches laced with quotes from the great man himself.
A fucking lunatic of the first water. A man merely acting at being PM. No fucking clue what the job involved but had read plenty of books so thought he knew how to act the part.
An arsehole.
But remember, an arsehole who was ‘given’ the post of PM by the pathetically woeful Blair.
Yep. Blair should have fired the c’unt in 2001 when he let slip the dogs of borrowing and squandering after been kept on the leash by T*ry spending plans. The economy was destroyed from that day onwards. It was only a question of timing after that.
It was Blairs idea.
All agreed then liebour or whatever it decides to call itself, never ever ever again anywhere near office?
Blair should have sacked Brown when Gordon announced the gold sale (and everyone was screaming “noooo!”) back in 1999. An immediate saving of £7bn, and a complete avoidance of the debt catastrophe that Brown created from 2001 onwards.
Perhaps that’s how we can finally nail Bliar – Treason for appointing the one eyed mong
And kept there by the ineptness and ‘courage’ of the PLP.
What a set of arseholes the entire Labour Organisation was/is/will be !!
What’s the term that was invented to make lying sound not so bad…oh yeah, ‘mispoke’. It was obviously one of them occasions.
economical with the truth is another
terminalogical inexactitude!
An “error”, so said Mr Spock to Kim Cattrall’s delightful Vulcan when faced with the same dilemma in I-forget-which Star Trek movie.
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
Dear McBust,
“There is nothing that you could say to me now that I could ever believe.”
I will not let you down.
Gordoom is merely following the dicta of his spiritual father, Uncle Joe.
“A lie will be halfway round the World before the truth has got his boots on.”
” The truth can be smothered with a thousand little lies”.
We’ve had endless examples of Labour following these precepts over the past 13 years. One more example is scarcely worth mentioning.
Boom and Bust of the PanAm flight
Gordon Brown is my best customer
Yes, it was the Intergalactic Space Monkeys what done it.
It’s all America’s fault.
thanks Sally for a little bit more publicity
The daft woman must be seven sheets to the wind again.
How much did she get paid for the “shock” article? The one where she got Kippered!!!
She needs a good rodgering with a bent fish fork. That should shut the stupid cow up for a while.
Or the big end of a rag man’s trumpet
So who spent all the money Sally?
FATCHUR.
Afternoon Bob. Don’t try lifting your wallet, you don’t want a hernia.
RUBBISH! THEIR CALLED ‘GOLD’ CREDIT CARDS BUT THEIR REALY MAYD OF PLASTIK.
Hi Bob. A suggestion – ask your secretary to check the spelling when you write to your bank. You don’t want those nice Swiss chappies thinking that you’re uneducated, do you?
MY BANKS NOT IN SWISSLAND, ITS IN LITGUNSTINE.
I HAD 1 IN THE USSR BUT THAY DONT ANSER MY LETERS N E MORE.
With Labour doing well in the polls even with muppet no 2 in charge, it obviously hasn’t gained much traction at all, has it you dopey cow?
As an argument it does have a good deal more merit than Labour’s ‘It was fuck all to do with us’ though doesn’t it Sally?
Even if Labour did have a full three year head-start with that particular lie.
Cant she just fucking wind her fucking neck in??
Fancy permitting the Speaker’s louse to live in the Speaker’s House.
So sally sheet for braind who’s fault was it !
you dopey cow ?
Porksword more like..
Did not this to tell me he was the worst UK PM ever. Incompetent fool.
Well, Steve, I thought Blair might be the worst ever.. but it’s a tough call, so I used my 1912 One Penny coin – which I use for all the difficult decisions in life – to decide on “who was the worst PM in British history?” Heads = Brown, tails = Bliar.
The answer.. drum-roll.. It was heads.
Brown did more damage in 3 years than Blair did in 10.
The world at large actually liked Blair, they laughed at Brown
But Blair did the damage by not firing Brown. To avoid creating a rift in ‘The Party’. A ‘rift’ that Brown was more than happy to create so that he could get his imbecile hands on the levers of power. As befit his self-proclaimed ‘man-of-destiny’ self-image. The mad economy-destroying, nation-wrecking, disharmony-sowing c’unt.
The coin agrees.
Actuallly you’re wrong there Steve…don’t forget who was in charge of the Treasury and Domestic policy under the “Granita Agreement” so Brown was responsible for the mess for whole 13 years Labour were in power..you say that the World liked Blair(though that is debateable …most of them probably thought he was Michael Sheen)but one things certain most of the UK public hated/hate his guts for not stopping Brown wrecking the UK economy and for leading us into an illegal war on a blantant lie
I agree it is a real tough one – TV news overseas would show an image of Blair and people would think ‘he looks ok’. With Brown it would it would be ‘ why is that boring man in an ill fitting suit grinning in such a funny way ?’
Ultimatley as PM Brown was worse.
But the problem was that Brown, as PM, was spending all his time trying to bury the truth about the effects of his time as chancellor. If Blair had still been PM he could have fired Brown and got in a chancellor to make the tough changes necessary in 2007. But Brown was all about concealing his clusterfuck and so simply made the situation three years and half a trillion quid worse.
The wicked and malicious bastard.
As one insignificant who spent most of Blair’s tenure residing in different parts of the world, let me assure that the vast majority of people regarded him as vain, arrogant and untrustworthy. Just so you know, like..
PS: Oh yes, and his grasping wife as “that unspeakable woman:.
We do not do truths, that’s for the little people, we are politicians and patricians so there, we can do no wrong, I think I speak for all parties, if the truth in everything got out we would be in the tumbrils god and proper.
Still, at least BP gets the opportunity to pollute Libya if it feels like cutting costs…..
Why do the Scotch put up with Gordon?
IN the world of the blind, the one-eyed mong is king.
Gordon is a cult hero haur! he saved th’ warld, it started in america an’ he is workin’ stoaner tae dae th’ reit hin’! ashcroft!
An’ he well and truly shafted England. Hooray!
What fucking language is that Nigel? It’s more like something out of Beowulf than anything you would hear anyone saying in Fife. Stop making a prat of yourself and get back to work!
Nigel? Fucking legend.
Brown is the best that the scotch can offer ! Average IQ in Kirkcaldy pretty low.
Funny how such a tosser ended up leading the predominately English Labour Party , just goes to show how bad the English non candidates must have been
You’re telling me. Look who Labour have now. Milidolt and Balls. Same policies, different fuckwits.
Ebay wasn’t about in the ’70s, was it? Actually, come to think of it, not much was about in the ’70s – it was either on strike, or desperately trying to find enough candles to huddle round for warmth during a power cut.
So you’re starting to relax and enjoy opposition? Excellent – just think how many more games you can buy and play with over the next four years.
“It was great to have the job of Shadow Home Secretary. I learnt how to take part on eBay, I downloaded my first album on iTunes, I read the Red Riding Quartet in a week and a half. [Shadow chancellor] is more stressful.”
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/6656418/
Nowadays it’s trendy to bathe with candles round the bath for ambiance/effect. Back in the 1970s days of the ‘Three Day Week’, candles were put round the bath as the only source of illumination available!
I played a lot of totopoly in the 1970′s. Such fun we all sat round by the candle, in blankets and had a real old fashioned family evening. When the gas strikes, miners stikes, electricity strikes ended packed up the game and 40 years later sold it to some one on Ebay
you played it with the economy for 13 years
TWAT !
They were all certainly very bad at spotting a conniving, duplicitous thieving jock, with a huge sense of entitlement matched only by his lack of any real talent other than bullying people.
At least the average rises whenever Broon leaves town.
Did not a Judge recently rule not to allow a man with low intelligence to participate in a relationship? Alas, too late.
Because he redirected all the taxes from English tax payers to be frittered away in Scotland rather than letting them pay their own way
Listen, the fucking yanks are willing to trade our secrets with the Ruskies, so fuck ‘em if we released someone who killed a bunch of them so we can get an oil deal. They would do the same.
PS – Brown is a lying, egotistical wanker – what’s the news?
Agreed – I dont have issue with releasing him if it was in our National interest to do so – I do have issue with lying to cover it up – it convinces no one and makes us look as though we are ashamed of our decision.
Heaven forfend – another porky perchance. Surely not!
“When I met Colonel Gaddafi over the summer, I made it absolutely clear to him that we had no role in making the decision about Megrahi’s future. Because it was a quasi-judicial matter, because it was a matter legislated for by the Scottish parliament and not by us, it was a matter over which we could not interfere and had no control over the final outcome.”
(G. Brown. 2008)
Lying for Britain since 1997.
I’m not sure what level of demand there was for Gordon on the lecture circuit, but I can work out how much he’ll make (as of today) in the American market.
Time to create the offence of parliamentary perjury for those in cabinet posts main or opposition!!!!!
Gordon’s moral compass had spun into action again
north, south, east, west, enny meany miny mo!, where it land nobody know.
I broke my moral compass when I threw it at Sue’s head.
I see disgraced former Home Secretary David Blunket is being a patronising c unt on Sky News at the moment. He would do well to remember that he was fortunate not to be prosecuted for Theft and misconduct in public office during his blundering tenure in office.
The man was promoted way above his abilities and should be ashamed of himself.
As well as geting another man’s wife pregnant. Not illegal of course, but shows the character of the man.
According to Tony Blair a minister who shagged another mans wife, believed to have impregnated her , stole travel warrants for her and used his position as home secretary to “hurry up” visa applications for her friend left office with his integrity intact ! Dear God these c nuts had no shame.
“The man was promoted way above his abilities and should be ashamed of himself.”
They all were, and no, none of them are.
I do try to keep him muzzled and on a tight leash.
Blunkett, the m-ong with blind ambition and an eye for dogs that Presser ignored.
Yeah, crap Home Secretary. It was almost as if he couldn’t see what the hell was going on.
Tell me a recent politician that hasn’t been promoted beyond his ‘abilities’?
That’s hardly unique in the labour party, now is it?
The eye’s too the left? Eye’s too the right? Objections?
Morale of the Story: If you suffer from cancer, go to Libya. Your survival rate is 5 times that of the Scottish NHS.
Now that one I really like. With your permission I shall steal it.
there’s absolutely nothing surprising about this. The innate corruption that exists at Westminster is there for all to see. Lying, cover ups, devious behaviour and theft from the public purse are all part of the culture.
Why the electorate still vote for them is a mystery
They told me the farm they were sending me to was funny, but I can’t see the joke.
Tip, try looking in a mirror.
LABOUR v SNP
bloodbath as leaks come out
Not at all. It’ll be Thatcher’s fault. Or Murdoch’s. Or Ashcroft’s.
The chaff operation will be gearing up as we speak.
I was thinking “surely the ‘trial’ took place in Major years”.
Ah no. 2001.
Oh yeah, precious little honour among those two groups.
When did Labour EVER tell the public the truth about anything ?…… after all they took us to war on a massive lie… so they probably regard lying about the negotiations for release of al-Mehgrahi as a very minor matter indeed…
Is there actually anything wrong with the Libyan, or was his illness just a lie as well?
” I resent that remark!”
Shut up you slag !
As John said to Sally (Bercow).
No nasty ignorant comments about Scots and Arabs now: we don’t want Cocaine Coogan getting upset….
http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/how-clarkson-brought-out-the-partridge-in-coogan/
In all seriousness where is GB? Why on earth is he not commenting on all of this? There is no chance that GB will turn up to the H of C now if there is the faintest whiff of him in these documents!
Did the cabinet know? Were the Eds inolved? No wonder Obama hates us – well done gordon.
Well done Obama. In truth, I wouldn’t like us either.
Macavity Broontroosers is hiding under the stairs scribbling another book on courage in black crayon.
It’s not my fault. I’ve done nothing wrong. I’m getting on with the job, it’s the right thing to do. I saved the world and the banks.
And what part did former Foreign Secretary David Miliband, the curse of Sunderland F.C., play in the negotiations with Libya?
here’s someone else who has great duplicity skills
Caroline Spelman responded to a petition against the sale (of UK forests) signed by 4,000 people by saying that most people had not read the Government’s proposals properly and urging them to take part in the consultation (PoliticsHome)
It’s easy, it’s never the government it’s always somebody else ….
Did all 4000 read the white paper, then? Do they all really know the details of the proposals?
The Coalition’s problem is it’s delivery. Yet again a perfectly sensible proposal is hijacked and oppostion to it gains traction with the BBC. eg ‘I can’t find £27k to go University’
Agree. Coming out with, “We’re going to sell the Forestry Commission” was somewhat cack-handed, bordering on plain daft. The proposal itself – sell off commercial plantations, and hand over ‘heritage forests’ to suitable owners – is actually quite sensible. If it reduced the cost to taxpayers (which it seems it won’t) it would be even more sensible.
I’m not too sure about handing over the fancy forests to charities.
Sounds a bit too much like trying to make some daft soundbite into a reality. Perhaps would have been better to wait until there was plenty of spare money to pour into such a scheme.
“big society”
This proposal is a ridiculous distraction that alienates a huge number of Coalition supporters.
It will fail to yield a decent return, force decent people out of work and put our forests and wildlife at risk.
The coalition’s problem is that their “delivery” can only be delivered through 3rd party news organisations, mainly the fvcking BBC. Given that the BBC has spent the last 30 years trying to destroy the Tory Party and do oeverthing they can to help Liebour, it kinda makes it almost impossible for them to get their point across. Especially as the fashion across the whole of the news media, at the moment, is to slag the government off all time. Without proper press support, they will keep getting out communicated.
or ’10,000′ coppers to be sacked. I don’t know why millipede minor didn’t say 15,000 or even 20,000, it would have made a MUCH better headline in the 6 o’clock news.
they should have got Engineer to just make some shit up, much like he did with his last comments (lies) with regards to the forestry commission
amazed he has the nuts to keep on burbling on about it tbh
I was always taught there was falseness in round numbers.
The “10,000 coppers sacked” scare story spread by Ladyboy Cooper is another piece of Labour spin. They’ve probably added the huge number of officers about to retire after thirty years service. Remember the Police Service had a huge influx of recruits in the early 1980s as a result of Maggie improving pay and conditions. The numbers about to retire have been a worry for service chiefs for a few years.
Then Labour will have added the number of officers who transfer to other forces, or leave before their probationary period ends.
Labour will have done what they always do, fiddle the statistics and use Enron style accounting. What interviewers should have done was ask how she had reached that figure of 10,000, but it’s the MSM we are talking about so they wouldn’t would they?
A pity none of our politicians bothered to read any of the European Union legislation or understood its implications before signing.
One suspects that most of them understood all too well.
Didnt Flint say she hadnt read parts of Lisbon ?
I think you’re right, but given that she later complained about being in the cabinet only as windowdressing, she probably wasn’t allowed to actually make decisions. Not ones that mattered, anyway.
EU arseilickers the lot of em , hang em !
disgusting , Forget weather he is guilty or not ( That is for another day) , This is about abuse of prosess and dirty deals , Labour are traitors!
If it works in the House of Commons, it’s a traitor.
Gadaffi is a terrorist and i dont do deals with terrorists !
not even for boxes full of cash !
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZxKAf8oOwtI/SpAAevLMh3I/AAAAAAAAdGM/r3sxVOj7ULQ/s320/blair%26gaddafi.jpg
I totally agree with everythink
Tony said
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46331000/jpg/_46331791_-10.jpg
…Finally, may I wish you “Ramadan kareem”.
Yours sincerely
Gordon Brown
That sounds suspiciously like some sort of Libyan ice cream.
Gove’s free schools wheeze is now rocketing in it’s cost to the taxpayer from 50 Million to an estimated half Billion.
He won’t be long in that job once he has to admit the true cost to Parliament.
What’s half a billion in real money ??
Is that what my expenses cost???
I still haven’t managed to work them out because it was very cold.
Half and hours worth of printing money for investment
One days deficit spending.
Hi there Ballsy!
The only truth any of us are ever likely to know in this whole sorry saga is that we’re very unlikely ever to find out the full truth.
There are people with things to hide. Who, and what, we don’t know for sure, but if there were not, the whole matter would have been much better explained by now. There are therefore a lot of conspiracy theories, so a lot of confusion. Ergo, the guilty are likely to escape.
Or alternatively we could just make some shit up and pull some statistics out of our arse in the vain hope that that no one will question it.
Isn’t that right Engineer?
Is the MSM all over this ?
Goodness me! All this hostility!
It was ages ago; just let it drop.
UP YOURS !!!!!
Does anybody really believe that Brown stuck his cowardly neck out to help BP Oil by releasing the Lockerbie Bomber and also because of his concern for British trade opportunities in Libya? I shouldn’t imagine a hard left Stalinist like Brown gives a flying fuck about BP or Libya or UK trade
Why should he risk being made to look a complete fool and liar if the details ever came out.
Maybe he would risk it for a Mega once in a lifetime payday from people who had a lot to gain from doing business in Libya.
His bum friend Mandy was a buddy of Gadaffis son. We all know the ex morgage application man has very expensives tastes to pay for and has to pay for lots of houses and he is a shining example of integrity and honesty.
Perish the thought he was invoved in doing a deal.
The whole thing stinks ( not just Mandy’s cock ).
Brown, Mandy, Blair and others should all be subject to an intense Police
and and Inland Revenue investigation to find out their real role on the matter.
As Jeremy said above:
Goodness me! All this hostility!
It was ages ago; just let it drop.
Put like that, I still go with my original theory.
A PM could make themselves loads of money from dodgy deals without having to do this. Its territory that is far too dangerous for just a money making scheme. there are far easier ways to gain favours, and give your mates an easy time.
Libya deal saved WPC’s killer from UK trial
http://tinyurl.com/6yvbpq4
No one mentions WPC Yvonne Fletcher nowadays do they.
This is my favourite letter from mad Gordo so far…..
Dear Muammar
When we met at the G8 Summit in L‟Aquila last month, you raised the case of Abdel Basset al-Megrahi. You will be aware that the Scottish Executive‟s public announcement on Megrahi‟s future is expected very shortly. I understand that their decision is to transfer Megrahi back to Libya on compassionate grounds.
When we met I stressed that, should the Scottish Executive decide that Megrahi can return to Libya, this should be a purely private, family occasion. A high-profile return would cause further unnecessary pain for the families of the Lockerbie victims. It would also undermine Libya‟s growing international reputation.
There are significant shared interests at stake in our relationship and I am committed to working with you to achieve them. I look forward to seeing you again at the UN General Assembly in New York on 23 September.
Finally, may I wish you „Ramadan kareem‟.
Yours sincerely
Gordon Brown
Lying feckers
“Peaches Geldoff has a crush on Labour leader Ed Miliband, the socialite has revealed.
Asked what her favourite thing about Britain was by Company magazine, the model said: “Ed Miliband, he’s fit.”
It’s OK, Peaches, he’s not married.
That’s what happens when your parents name you after a prostitute!
yes I know but my post got removed – funny that
Has the syphillus finally made her blind and brain dead then?
Coulson?…
Wonder if this will come up at Pmqs ?
One reason (not discussed by the media) why it suited everyone to get Megrahi bundled off to Libya was the threat of his planned appeal being successful. This would have been a disaster for everybody. including the Yanks. His release was on strict condition that he would forfeit any right to appeal his conviction.
Make up your mind Guido, one minute it is all ‘ec Salmond’s fault and now it is Brown’s. Dithering.
Gordon Brown’s government worked secretly to secure the release of al Megrahi so that BP oil deal not in jeopardy, and to help stop WMD.
When al Megrahi got cancer the UK govt helped Libya appeal to Scotland for his release, whilst at the same time offering sweeteners to Scotland.
That would explain Obama’s vindictive pursuit of BP over their little local difficulty in the GOM. That and the fact that Obama seems to hate Brits in particular.
Ha!. How’s that Lib ya oil deal working out for y’all now limeys after I plundered 20bn dollars off your pension funds? Hey, don’t get bitchy at me – Brown did it with BT and y’all just rolled over and took it.
Like most of his generation, he was brought up on Disney where the villain is always British (ok, English but the septics don’t make such distinctions).
Yep. That fucking Mel Gibson has a lot to answer for. ‘The Patriot’ and ‘Braveheart’ chief amongst them.
Fantasy presented as historical fact through the prism of his Fenian mother’s recycled bigotry.
There are lies, damed lies, statistics … and a number of quantum steps onwards from here:
Gordon Brown.
damned
O/T Guido , You know other day you highlighted that a Tory Mp got mocked for being disabled , Well Lord Micheal Shite has had his say.
:http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/feb/07/we-should-not-get-pious-treatment-paul-maynard
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/feb/07/we-should-not-get-pious-treatment-pa*ul-maynard
Elton, I hope you don’t mind that I put down in words how wonderful life is without gay parents: http://thecurrerball.wordpress.com
How many Libyan prisoners were held in British jails at the time of the ‘PTA’?
Thanks to Labour’s open-door imm!gration policy, quite a few I should think.
“On our part, there was no conspiracy, no cover-up, no double-dealing, no deal on oil, no attempt to instruct Scottish ministers, no private assurances by me to (Libyan leader) Colonel (Muammar) Gaddafi. We were absolutely clear throughout with the Libyans and everyone else that this was a decision for the Scottish government.”
“Oh yes, and the moon is made of green knob cheese, I forgot to mention.”
…and another thing, I am not gay, I do not take antidepressants, and I married Sarah for love.
Very good
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Did anyone believe a word this mad, half blind, fat scottish sociopath said anyway?
He might have convinced himself that we’d fall for it with month after month of ‘relaunches’ combined with continued insistances that his was listening and learning, but he didn’t fool anyone with a brain. Fortunately for him, most Labour voters don’t have, or need, one so he was still able to poll 30ish%.
29%.
It hurts them that they couldn’t even get 30%. Though not as much as it would hurt them if they banned postal voting or equalised constituency sizes.
You can always tell when these Labour bastards are telling lies.
Their lips move…
So, UK gov wanted him released but said the opposite in public, didn’t interfere with the Scottish government decision, told the Libyan’s what process’s there were to apply for release, but still left it to the Scottish Government to make the final decision, who did after due process.
Bit of a non-story Guido. Me thinks you have a bit of an obsession with the Scottish Government &/or SNP.
Yes. The Scottish Government has conducted itself impeccably since inception, as has the SNP. So let us declare all stories about them as out of bounds for the next 100 years. Is that OK sir, or do you wish to include the Labour party as well?
That will be 50,00 guineas please, we don’t deal in anything as common as pounds. Thank you so much. Kerching.
cameron is going to sing like a canary
yes 1/10
no 1000/1
I will release all paperwork, I will screw Ed Milliband at PMQs over this and there will be a full public enquiry, no stone will be unturned.
And that is a cast-iron promise.
We know, and they know, that they wouldn’t know the truth, if it came and bit them in the leg. Slowly they must be aware that Leakers are all over the place, Leaking a lie here a half truth there. So that in the end Politicians will only have one alternative
honesty is not just the best policy….it is the only policy. Leakers would soon be out of business, bad time for brown envelope manufacturers!!!
Do the British people have no way of getting ourselves justice, for the lies amounting to treacherous conspiracy, that Gordon Brown and associates seem to have perpetrated over this? Seriously – are we expected to be satisfied with this lack of justice, this damnable travesty?
No.
but if Cameron’s only arguement is that labour politicians and PM lied then why be so surprised – we know all the fucking politicians lie, even Cameron!!
The only conspiracy is that Brown actively helped the libyans secure the release of the worst mass murderer in uk history by explaining to the libyans the legal technicalities.
You can’t take Brown to court for explaining the technicalities of the law to the libyans so that it would “help” get uk contracts secured.
What Brown did was downright evil, totally immoral, and absolutely obscene, but not illegal.
The best you can hope for is that Brown will be absolutely crucified by the American media (and politicians) and never allowed to set foot in the usa,and will be written into the history books as the most evil two faced lying (unelected) bastard of a leader we’ve ever had.
How his constituents can ever vote for such an evil monster is beyond me.
How his peers in the Labour Party ever could install him as Leader is beyond me as well.
Exactly, the worst his constituents could do was elect him as their MP. For him to become Prime Minister and thus the resultant clusterfuck on us all required the support and connivence of the predominately English Labour Party. That decision had far more serious consequences.
IT appears that ALL politicos lie and cheat dependent upon the circumstances at the time, Brown and Blair now appear no worse than Dave and Nick. The electorate should trust none of them, vote to elect local representatives with a feel for grass root requirements and who place the best interests of the English (MAYBE UK) country at the top of any manifesto agenda. Down with Hooray Henrys and career politicians!!
yes
mark harper, MP for forest of dean made great play about his love of the forest. He is now the jumior minister wanting to dismiss local anger and support his governments plans to sell it/ make it a charity
lies lies lies
uk PM & labour leader blame SNP
well-done
pmsl
I think Labour are in the frame here too are they not? It’s not just the SNP. In fact it looks at least 50:50 Labour:SNP.
I want justice! I want heads to roll.
Frankly, who gives a flying f about Jim Devine – anyone who saw the Channel 4 interview a) got good comedy value for money and b) understood Devine was so thick he could probably cop a diminished responsibility plea.
In the meantime, Mr Brown lies, lies, lies and lies, about just about the most disgusting travesty of justice I’ve seen in my lifetime. The bastard! Can it seriously be the case that there’s no recourse to law against him?
Are there any lawyers out there reading this? If so, please advise me – how can Brown be brought to justice for this abominable crime. Merely political punishment – ie, turfed out of office – is not sufficient. Real punishment for a real crime against the British people, against decency, and against justice itself. Bastard!
Hold on! Before you finish, Devine replaced Robin Cook (what an irony in itself), who at least declared that he would work for an ethical foreign policy (probably an oxymoron) and, to give him his due, resigned on a matter of principle.
What would Cook have made of Brown’s conduct in this matter?
To be fair, if you’re going to let Devine off for being thick, you’d have to Brown a pass too.
Devious, deceitful, bullying, spiteful, hateful, greedy and avaricious yes. But smart? No.
Time to dig out all the interviews in the press, all the statements made on tv or in parliament by Brown, Straw, Milliband, Balls etc on this issue and if they lied in the house f****** kick them out.
You’re out of order with this one Guido. Do yourself have a favour and have a read at GoLassieGo – you even get a mention, honourable or otherwise
so the yanks shot down the Iran Airliner and gave the Ageis Captain a medal and despite paying LESS in blood money and cold dead bodys than the libyans, STILL didn’t get any oil deals when Gaddifi said he was really really sorry and was asking for his scapegoat back.
(The Iranians think this is fecking hilarious btw)
And the REALLY funny thing is… that Obama Beach loves to hate BP, but still can’t get his head around the fact that 40% of is it owned by …
yanks.
Obama never lets facts get in the way of a few grand words and mighty promises.
Gordon Brown didn’t technically lie. He got around it by not mentioning key facts, just like he always does/did.
It’s like saying:
“My tie is red”
(when your tie is blue)
and then when people question why you lied, you say:
“I’m colour blind. To me my tie is blue. I just failed to tell anyone that I was colour blind, or that when I said “my tie is red” it was just a personal viewpoint but not an actual fact.”
Brown can legitimately say that he never lied. But, as Cameron implied in Parliament, to any reasonable person/court, there’s not much difference between telling an explicit lie, and lying by ommission.
There was no “deal” as such, there was just Brown telling the libyans how they could get megrahi released, then Brown keeping quiet about his trying to help secure the release.
The deal was implied, but not explicit.
The Americans (and most courts in the UK) don’t differentiate between explicitly lying, and intentionally lying by ommission and using obfuscation to hide the lie, that’s why the American committee basically found that Brown had “helped” the release because he knew it meant uk money/contracts would fall into his lap. The Americans found that it was purely a money-for-helping-the-release deal at the end of the day (which it was).
I believe there was no “pressure” as such on the Scottish government (I think they were just fucking stupid), it was purely Brown helping the libyans find out how to get the release to take place, and he was helping because it meant he’d get money into the uk for the contracts/tax etc.
It wasn’t an explicit deal, it was implied and “helped” behind the scenes, with Brown keeping quiet about it.
It fucking stinks, and Brown’s an evil bastard for actively helping secure the release of the worst mass-murderer in our history in return for money.
But you won’t be able to pin this on him when it comes to the actual decision being made. Brown’s an evil moron, but even he’s not stupid enough to have a paper trail on any pressure or bribes that might have happened behind the scenes.
Personally I don’t think there were any bribes or pressure, I think it was simply Brown helping the libyans understand the process so that they could get the worst mass-murderer in uk history released, and he did that for money.
Brown will (I hope) burn in hell, but you won’t be able to find any evidence of an explicit deal that he made with Scotland, because I think he realised that he wouldn’t need to bribe scotland as he saw that their laws would always allow megrahi to be released once he’d got diagnosed with cancer.
Is that a bit like saying you “have no plans” to so something when the truth is you are going to do it but just haven’t decided exactly how or when yet or at least haven’t committed it to paper?
ah, yes, the old “we have no plans to” statement, which is totally meaningless.
It’s almost as meaningless as “progressive”
a bit like clinton’s “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” (blow jobs don’t count)
When a politician intentionally hides the relevant facts purely in order to create an implicit lie to mislead parliament and the public, then the fact that they lied by ommission should be just as serious as telling an outright explicit lie; they should be hauled back to parliament, asked to apologise live on air for lying, and then booted out without any redundancy money.
Brown obviously lied his arse off; an obscure “technicality” which turned it into an implicit lie instead of an explicit one is irrelevant; he lied deliberately to the whole world and helped secure the release of the worst mass-murderer in uk history in return for money. He should be strung-up.
So, it seems that Gordon Brown turned out to be a liar.
It always the ones you least suspect.
that’s a classic…..made me laugh anyway!
Al Megrahi was innocent and should have been released, the right decision was made by the magnificent Gordon Brown and his Scottish Allies. In fact I would go further and release all Prisoners incarcerated in British prisons, particularly those jailed for drug offences, and particularly those from Portsmouth, most of whom are my good friends and business Partners.
Well said Mike.
Write to me and complain…. see how hard I am… let’s have yer
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Just over the bridge and to the right.
The Megrhai Report – Winners & Losers
Gordon Brown – Big loser
Iain Gray – small loser
Guido – embarrassing loser
Alex Salmond – Clear Winner
http://www.betternation.org/2011/02/the-megrahi-report-winners-and-losers/
Next time… listen to the Nats Spads!
Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias Fucking BBC Bias/…..Have you seen how that fucking joke of a journalist Robinson is spinning this one? You would think Cameron had personally broken Megrahi out of Jail while Brown was a saint.
Fucking BBC…why the fuck hasn’t the government removed the licence fee and let the lefties sink in the freee market.
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Surely GuidoF you can now see the subtle nuances of this story that you gLARINGLY missed yesterday- and issue a suitable apology to the Scottish Cabinet Secretary for Justice- and maybe- just maybe- the SG won’t tell you to stick a firework where the sun don’t shine.
BBC Newsnight 22:45 >No Labour ex-minister will appear.
Alex Salmond firmly blames Straw and Westminster.
claims he “didn’t see all the documents until now”!
When can we PLEASE have some trials and some shootings of the criminals in power from 1997 to 2010?
When are we going to see the guilty punished for their crimes?
I’m hearily sick of seeing the Liebor and now the coalition establishment close ranks over one scandal after another.
I want my country back.
That means upholding standrads such as honour and justice in public life.
We can only get there by purging traitors like McRuin, Bliar, the crown prsecution service, politically correct police officers, the BBC, the teaching establishment, health authorities, education authorities, University VCs, anyone working for the EU, ‘elf ‘n’ safety executives, anyone working in equality fascism. I could go on but I’m saving my breath for the imminent revolution.
So Guido are you up to speed yet? Have you grasped the mettle? It all goes back to Blair’s shabby deal in the desert, his total disrespect then for the Scottish Government and Scots Law – and you take the view that the Scottish Government would play along with labour’s games? Get the real version on Newsnet Scotland. Have a look at GoLassieGo.
Now how about aiming your talents and energies at the hypocrisy that is Labour and their place men in Scotland. We still have Master Baker and Elmer Fudd insisting that they would not have released Megrahi. Can you believe that, after all you should now have read about the labour ministers in Westminster. Go on Guido, dig deeper, form an opinion. It’s not like you to follow the pack.
he has formed an opinion, he hates the SNP and he’s not going to let anything as inconvenient as facts get in the way. I expect in the style Gordon Brown he now thinks keeping quiet about his monumental cock up will mean people think his swallowing McTernan’s spin was “nothing to do with him” and would you please stop asking.
Maybe Guido should head back to Ireland and ask the folk there if they would want Cameron and Westminster in charge again?
Somehow I think such a suggestion would get Guido a dip in the Liffey and, if lucky, his life and he knows it.
Megrahi is not the problem, all the tossers that think Westminster ‘rules’ are – it doesn’t it is just the English Parliament pretending it still has an empire to run.
Labour are in the thick and steaming in Scotland as even their tame media have failed to spin this as anything but a disaster for Labour (Scottish Region). Paxman got his arse walloped last night by Wee Eck, as did Jon (not as white as) Snow earlier.
Labour’s tame monkey on Newsnicht (Bully Baker) was left looking a right numpty.