Defending Philip Green Against the Looters
Philip Green is a sharp businessman who turned round the Arcadia chain when they were closing shops and made them profitable. He turned Top Shop from a fading also ran into an international brand with cheap chic credibility. In doing all that he secured thousands of high street jobs, boosted profitability and made a billion.
He bought Arcadia via an offshore company, perfectly legally and paid that famous billion pound dividend perfectly legally. He did it the way he did it because this country punishes entrepreneurs and risk takers with capital gains taxes on top of income taxes. Double taxing those who create and produce.
Arcadia pays hundreds of millions in taxes every year, VAT, carbon taxes, stamp duty, business rates, National Insurance, employee’s income taxes and the myriad of other taxes that penalise enterprise and entrepreneurs. That isn’t enough for the type of parasites and political activists the great novelist Ayn Rand correctly identified as “looters”.
The looters are killing this country because, in their humanitarian noble-minded, public-spirited contempt for entrepreneurs, they forget how much they rely on entrepreneurs. With each new restrictive regulation designed to enhance equality and “justice” they make it harder for the remaining entrepreneurs to create the Vodafone-supplied iPhones from which they tweet their bleatings about “fighting the cuts”. Self-styled “Anarchists” calling for higher taxes to fund a bigger state are no anarchists.
Philip Green deserves his billions, he is a self made man who left school at fifteen, worked hard, took risks, clearly enjoys himself and defends his just rewards from the rapacious grasp of the tax man. If only we had one hundred more Philip Greens…
Totally agree Guido
I don’t. I know everything.
Unbelievable!
All the fecking Labour idiots who bought his crap when times were good are now complaining that their money has run out! They had the choice whether to shop at one of his tat bazaars, elsewhere or not at all.
Poetic justice perfectus.
Err, those “idiots” buying the “cheap shit” are the same people who vote Labour.
I’ve always suspected “intellectual lefties” have a deep contempt for working people and the choices they make. Because “intellectual lefties” really do know what is good for the people, even if the people themselves are clueless, don’t they?
Errr, did you personally ask the political affiliation of everyone who ever bought anything in top shop or are you just talking out of your arse?
Vince Cable has launched a thinly veiled attack on billionaire Sir Philip Green’s tax arrangements.
In a swipe at the new Whitehall adviser on public sector waste, the Business Secretary said: ‘I remain of the general view that British businesspeople should pay their taxes in Britain.’
Hayek describes brainwashed lefties like you as ‘democratic totalitarians’. Personally, I just think you’re a worthless Hunt.
Dear straw man dum dum.
Who said everyone shopping at Green’s stores voted Labour?
But many do, its the demographics. Of course, you may subscribe to the fantasy of a “workers” boycott, but that would just be too daft for words wouldn’t it. I mean, only the tax dodging trust funded Guardian and its columnists are mad enough to believe that could work.
Did Hayeck say this while he was helping and supporting the totalitarian mass murderer Pinochet as he tortured and killed tens of thousands?
You wrote Hayeck instead of Hayek.
This means you are a communist and absolves Hayek of all guilt in his complicity with a mass mudering totalitarian torturer like Pinochet.
Personally, I just think whatever Fox News and the Neocons tell me to think because I’m a witless twat.
Cadburys are relocating to Switzerland and closing down operations in the UK. Why? Because tax rates in the UK are too high. The left never understand that making money is the life blood of enterprise and success or that tax kills them.
Do you have an ISA?
If so you are a tax avoider and should immediately offer to repay the the Government all the tax you have avoided paying through your immoral organisation of your affairs.
this is the bet story on this blog ever
the fact is that under all the years of labour,
this country has become a total shit hole
50+% taxes
BUT
unlike say Germany or Switzerland
YOU GET NOTHING FOR YOUR MONEY
roads shit
schools shit
trains shit
NHS is useless and broken
etc
Same rule should apply to every one without the loop holes. If some one wants to make profit in UK they should pay UK tax. It is unfair on other business that pay UK taxes as people like Mr Green can sell cheap as they pay less tax.
Only reason we have these loopholes are due to party funding. People like these give money to all political parties.
VAT is paid by customers not Mr Green.
Employee taxes are paid by employees not by Mr. Green.
You are Gordon Brown and I claim my £5.
Are you taking Economics and business at GCSE this year? If so, cram.
School Boy – I don’t see your point. Are you saying these tax loopholes should be available only to those who finance certain political parties ?
Are you a servant to Mr. Green?
All taxes raised by the threat of imprisonment for non compliance are simply state violence and extortion, worthy of the sicilian mafia
To see so many of our youth demanding that the extortion continue so that they too may benefit from it is truly sickening, yet utterly predicatable. They have seen the feckless and the workshy rewarded with “government” money and want their slice of this wonderous fictional cake.
Anon E Mouse
Would you like to lick my Master’s boots now or later? Or perhaps a round of croquet with Lord Lard of Prescott?
Well said every English man should pay his full taxes. Except for MPs and especially Jock Lasbour MPs where they can flip their taxpayer funded residences at will and avoid paying any capital gains tax.
Look the reality is that Green does not run a quoted company and is free to run his tax affairs as he wishes. From MPs to small builders to Tycoons to charities to most everyone, no one pays voluntarily more tax than he has to. Why do the politics of envy think Green is a different case?
They want to be slaves, that’s why – idiots railing against the ‘establishment’ to build a bigger state — imbeciles. Green has been successful – for himself and by proxy everyone else – they hate success.
VAT is collected by Mr Green on behalf of the government. The more successful his stores are , the more revenue he raises for the government.
Replace the word Government with “the citizens of the UK”.
If Green had not stepped in and took considerable financial risk then Arcadia would be no more and collecting zero revenue.
What about others who take risk with their money? Why should they pay more tax than Mr. Green?
But, but, but, your capitalism says that someone else would have come in to fill the void.
How does selling shit to stupid people contribute to contributes billions to the economy of the UK?
I, almost every one pay more tax then him.
What about others who take risk with their money? Why should they pay more tax than Mr. Green?
The same tax rules apply to all citizens. Anyway Green’s taxes are a red herring and detract from the millions if not billions of pounds his businesses contribute to the british economy.
“How does selling shit to stupid people contribute to contributes billions to the economy of the UK?
I, almost every one pay more tax then him.”
There’s always about 8 thickos on each thread, but you’re obviously all 8 of them. Congratulations.
hca, sounds like you have to lick Mr Greens (or some one like him) ass for a living. Once you find another job, start commenting.
Fuck off thicko.
I agree Guido.
Check out where Mr Miliband was born!
http://horsforthletdownbyleeds.blogspot.com/
hca, does your boss fuck you as well? Does he allow his friends to fuck you as well?
Hey thicko, do you know what hca stands for? Health Care Assistant. Yeah that’s right NHS., but at least I know where the real wealth of the country is created unlike you, you dopey cuпt.
hca, I understand why you got upset. People like you are Mr. Green’s customers. Sorry mate but you do buy shit for a lot of money.
Yeah it must be shit for poor wankers like you who shop in Lidl, to see us walk away with the good stuff. Bless.
@hca No wonder so many people die in NHS hospitals with Hunts like you around
hca, even people on benefits will have the same income as you. Don’t get a complex, you are providing a valuable service. Without people like you hospitals or patents cannot be kept clean or people fed.
Think, if Mr Green pays his tax, some of that money can be used to increase your benefits or to improve your council flat. We are trying to help people like you, but you are abusing me.
Fuck off you patronising little lefty shit.
hca, a person like you would most properly vote for B**. Ask them how much they like people like Mr Green?
Anyway let’s get back to the main point shall we, and I reiterate?
“There’s always about 8 thickos on each thread, but you’re obviously all 8 of them. Congratulations.”
Now fuck off, no refund.
Bullshit, someone else would have stepped in and made a mint, and still dodged paying tax. Pay up what you owe Green and Vodafone. If I avoided paying tax I’d be living in one of Her Maj’s abodes and I don’t mean Balmoral.
“If I avoided paying tax I’d be living in one of Her Maj’s abodes and I don’t mean Balmoral.”
If you’re a white van man there are countless ways you can avoid paying tax, some of them legal even. You must be a time serving civil sevant who pays PAYE with no scope for tax avoidance, and I claim my £5.00.
hca, we pay your minimum wage, council house, your kids school meals, etc. We cannot continue to afford paying for your life style, we want people like Mr Green to chip in.
How is the party you vote for (B**)? What is your plans for people like Mr. Green and the rest of the coloured people.
First off chuckle nuts, I own my own house, I don’t vote for Dick Sniffins party and I don’t have any kids, so fuck you.
Anonymong, why don’t you just fuck off and die — you are brainwashed beyond repair. You don’t have the moral high ground, you don’t know shit about economics and wealth creation, you’re just another common or garden ignorant lefty Hunt who thinks he can moralise and browbeat those who DO get it by waving ‘the poor’ at them. You bastards are the ones who create the poor in the first place and want to enslave us in a dystopian hell to ‘fix’ it. Just fuck the fuck off.
hca, how much discount did you get on your council flat? People who pay tax are subsidising your flat.
You have to thank Labour for the minimum wage they pay you, without labour you would have been paid £3 an hour.
The Green companies pay corpoation tax on their profits. The after tax profits are distributed to shareholders and they pay tax on the dividends. If they happen to be Mrs Gree and live in Monaco they pay whatever is the applicable rate in Monaco. If Mrs Green lived in the UK she would pay UK tax, but she doesn’t, so she won’t.
I am not a tax adviser or allowed to give tax advice , just check the internet or ask a tax advisor.
With dividends you get dividend tax credit, if you live in UK dividend tax credit can be set against your tax. If you are a tax exile, you can collect this “dividend tax credit”.
This is how these people avoid corpoation tax on their profits. Dividend tax credit relates to how much cooperation tax paid.
All these Lefties really don’t get it do they? Like him or loathe him, Philip Green creates jobs with his use of money, makes profits which are then re-invested to create more jobs. Agreed, he makes his whack out of his business as well, but why shouldn’t he? he’s the one risking his own money and that of his investors.
What have the Leftie twats that whinge and sneer on this site ever done for Britain’s economy except bollocks it up for every one else? Lefties NEVER understand business. They think money anyone else earns is for the state to use as it pleases, usually wasting it on a massive scale. It’s easy to fritter away when you’ve never actually worked for it.
Fucking Left Wingers should NEVER be allowed anywhere near any Treasury, whether it be in Whitehall or in Local Government.
I don’t know why we even bther to reply to these ignorant bastards. The massive chips on both shoulders and their political bigotry exclude them from rational argument.
Cynical Old Man says; he made paper profit. He took a bank loan to pay the dividend. Now the tax payers (people like you and me) are landed with shit loans banks made.
You really are a cretin. All business pay VAT one way or another – don’t forget the amount of time and money that goes into being an unpaid tax collector?!
And as for employees paying their tax, no they don’t, the business does. Businesses subsidise taxes for all employee on top of their individual contributions.
Business doesn’t pay VAT the ultimate customer (people) pays VAT. Neil you need to understand how things work, before calling people names.
In this ago of internet you can find information easily, you don’t need to be stupid.
Neil, business try to pay people as little as possible. They screw the employees and on top government screw the employees as well.
Sorry anon, you’re wrong – businesses do pay VAT, they may get a rebate on it, but they do pay it, and they can’t reclaim all VAT back. And you’re forgetting the amount of money businesses spend being a free tax-collector. In accountancy fees alone most small business (who lets not forget on average pay their owners less than 25k a year – fact, from the Federation of Small Business and DfTI survey) come to over 5k a year…
Anon, you’re painting businesses with a very broad brush, not all businesses try and pay the minimum, many of the UK’s most productive highest taxed business pay a premium for their staff in order to get quality members of staff.
How many businesses do you/have you run Anon? I’ve got 5 under my belt, two active – i’ve been through the washer on this one, and really don’t appreciate being lumped into ‘they’re all out to fuck us over’ – ‘they’re all greedy’ – that it seems you and the #ukuncut/grauniad bunch seem keen to lump us into.
And anon – you’re still missing the point that all businesses pay taxes for employees above and beyond the employer contribution – basically a tax on employing someone… how is that fair? I’d rather give that money to my staff members… seems like you’re barking up the wrong tree for who’s doing the fucking over.
Neil, I do agree still there are some nice bosses who wants to pay staff decent salaries. But most of these people have been forced to close due to people like Mr Green.
Why your family need to pay more tax as a % of your income than Mr Green’s? Is this fair? Both of you are running a business and yours is much smaller than Mr Green.
I am for lower tax for all, not just for some people.
The argument confuses corporate taxes and personal taxes. His company does not pay less Corporation Tax as a result of his wife owning the shares rather than him. The company pays Corporation Tax and the dividends are paid out with a 10% tax credit, this is not recoverable. Mrs Green does not pay the excess tax on dividend income that she would pay if she were UK Resident. The arrangement they have in place is replicated in lots of other families across the UK except that she is non UK Resident and you are discussing larger amounts. This arrangement became possible in the early 1990s when independent taxation of spouses came in: up until then the husband was responsible for the tax affairs of his wife. So the Left have known all about this and it is a policy they supported: equal treatment of women and men. It also existed all through the period that Blair and Brown led the Labour Party and then Labour Government. Lastly an increasing amount of the company’s profits are generated outside the UK. There is no reason why the business needs to be run out of the UK and taxes paid on overseas earnings. Who will you tax when there is no one left to tax because everyone has relocated?
Very well said……… Applause.
Thе рrоfіtѕ hаvе аlrеаdy bееn “Соrроrаtіоn Таxеd”, Аnоnymоng, wіth nо rеlіеf.
Тhеy аrе gеnеrаtеd frоm а turnоvеr thаt rаіѕеѕ bіllіоnѕ іn VАТ ― а dіrесt mеаѕurе оf vаluе-сrеаtіоn.
Тhе СGТ Grееnіng wоuld раy оn dіѕроѕіng оf Аrсаdіа wоuld bе рhеnоmеnаl.
Оnly thе UK соuld ріllоry а mаn whо hаѕ gеnеrаtеd thе аmоunt оf ѕhаrеhоldеr vаluе thаt hаѕ bееn сrеаtеd by Рhіlір Grееn.
These ‘students’ are our future?
Look tossers, where do you think the profits of the Toyota, Nissan and Honda assemby plants in the UK, to name just a few foreign investors in the UK, are remitted to? Do you think it unreasonable that they might be remitted to the foreign investor who is creating jobs and income in this country?
Mrs Green is a foreign-based investor creating jobs and profit in the UK and is legally entitled to remit her profits abroad.
If you really wish to kill all foreign investment in the UK, work out the consequences first. A lack of jobs and opportunities for oiks like yourselves.
> If some one wants to make profit in UK they should pay UK tax
And thus we see why marxism fails. Punish people who create wealth (profits) just means
1/ and end to freedom of association.
2/ the ruination of the economy.
The free lunch myth.
Dont be stupid, read what guido said if you can.
Twit.
Employers pay ‘employer’s NIC’ which is tax paid by employers to HMRC for the sheer joy of employing people. It is levied in addition to Employee’s NICs. These, it should be noted, are only paid by the employee if they have someone, like Mr Green, prepared to employ them.
Employer’s NICs are payable regardless of a company’s profitability and cannot be avoided by domiciling a company overseas.
When one hears Labour polititians grumble about UK firms paying no tax, they are being either dishonest or thick. Possibly both.
Armed Robbery for Dummies.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Without employers, employees have no jobs, no income and so no taxes to pay.
Personally I’d rather have a job and have to pay taxes (if I must) but keep taxing me and the bloke who gives me the job and eventually it won’t be worth the bloke employing me but it also won’t be worth my while having a job.
Unless of course you believe that all those jobs in the Public Sector actually make money rather than just recycle Private Sector taxes … in which case I’ll have one of those Diversity Coordinator jobs please and do fuck all for a living!
Guido every now and then you turn out a brilliant post and this is up with the best of them. BZ
Of course this is what Dave, George, Nick and Vince should be saying but the won’t. They are running scared of the anarchists who have found what brilliant tools facebook and Twitter are.
Guido would prostitute himself at the Temple of Mammon if he thought it would generate a quick buck.
Agreed, Brave Zulu… If you are female then “Mena tanda wena”.
Anarchists agree with Guido. The last thing they want is the ever hungry state fed yet more tax money.
Faux anarchists on the other hand demand that all property is theft if they don’t own it. Usually found carrying black and red banners at the thick end of a punch up..er…demonstration to demand no cuts to the State.
Whilst you, on the other other hand, dress up and behave all butch!
Old Holborn
Please, please, one day do stop talking so much utter shite. Anarchists do not agree with Guido, nor you, you are capitalists with personal selfish reasons for your particular stances on taxation. From reading your ‘work’ you perhaps are verging on Anarcho-capitalism which is even fucking worse that Guido’s mainstream capitalism. Either way, you both drool over the prospect of corporate rule. Yes the black-bloc does tend to tag on to some protests that are anti-state or anti-capitalist (and they are always left leaning – to do otherwise would be a counter-protest…..getting it now?), but that is merely taking advantage of the opportunity, it does not mean they agree with everything that protest represents. And you know what? They really dont give a fuck if you are going to be a snottery little shit about it.
Anyway, just carry on with your fancy dress mincing sessions around Westminster, that’ll fuck things right up won’t it.
And it’s also clear that while you claim to strive to live in a log hut free from all state influences, brewing your own shit beer to hand out to “trick or treaters”, you immediately in every case, jump to the defence of minimum wage paying tax dodging billionaires. You’re a wannabe greedy fucker, you are just fucked off because you havent made enough money yet to be one of them.
But hey, you can always don that mask and pose for photos with the coppers you profess to hate until you have eh?
What’s your political philosophy, then — let’s hear it.
A ‘not going along with the ideas of a gimp in a mask’ philosophy sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
Yeah….fuck all to say. Wanker.
Yes, anarchy is defined as a state without tax. Bring it on.
The Government spent all it’s money on the banks and the deficit soared; and the public has been consuming and consuming in Phil’s shops, and our personal debt has soared. Bit shit all round, as we huddle in our expensive t-shirt designed for a pittance.
Fair enough don’t tax the guy to death, but if he makes £1.2 billion pounds from companies here and elsewhere, and then gives it to his wife, with a 0% tax in monaco, then you’re asking for some anger unconsuming folk to knock on your door.
We all spend, spend, spend, and here we are celebrating entrepreneurial wealth. Money, money money.
Interesting really, Labour thought retail spending was the be all and end all too. Oh, that and making the Public Sector as inefficient as possible. All these issues crystallise in the person of Phil Green. Pretty impressive for a guy who didn’t go to University.
Green may have benefited from various direct and indirect government privileges that wouldn’t exist in a genuine free market but I’d still side with him any day against the SWP, anarchists and other assorted tossers.
In a genuine free market same same rule will apply to every one.
Why should you and I pay more tax as a % of income than Mr Green, we all make money in the same country?
Green’s businesses contributes billions to the economy of the UK. What do you contribute?
The rules do apply to everyone. Mr Green is obeying the rules.
The reason you pay more of a percentage of your tax than Mr Green, is that you are not as intelligent as he is. You too can have the same tax benefits as him, legally and ethically, if you decide to, and are smart enough.
It’s not Mr Green’s fault, nor Governments, nor anyone else’s* fault that you aren’t smart enough to figure out how to do your taxes within the law.
*actually, it may well be the Labour Parties fault that you went to a duff school, or a duff former-poly, and studied a duff subject like “social policy” or some other such fake degree.
He is abiding by the same rules as everyone. If you set up a company and are married there is nothing to stop you alloting shares to your wife in exactly the same way. She would receive dividends on the shares in exactly the same way as Mrs Green and would pay taxes as appropriate. If she was a non-earner or a basic rate tax payer she would pay no excess tax on the dividends. Lots of small family companies have different members of the families owning shares; it is no different here. The HMRC have in the past gone to court to prove that this type of arrangement is tax avoidance and have lost repeatedly. So it is the law and we are a country of laws.
In a free market people would pay for the benefit government monopolies granted to them create. No one would be taxed based on their income.
Ground-rents are a still more proper subject of taxation than the rent of houses. A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground. More or less can be got for it according as the competitors happen to be richer or poorer, or can afford to gratify their fancy for a particular spot of ground at a greater or smaller expense. In every country the greatest number of rich competitors is in the capital, and it is there accordingly that the highest ground-rents are always to be found. As the wealth of those competitors would in no respect be increased by a tax upon ground-rents, they would not probably be disposed to pay more for the use of the ground. Whether the tax was to be advanced by the inhabitant, or by the owner of the ground, would be of little importance. The more the inhabitant was obliged to pay for the tax, the less he would incline to pay for the ground; so that the final payment of the tax would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent.
– Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations, Book V, Chapter 2, Article I: Taxes upon the Rent of Houses
Hell of a statement anon at 4.42. Proof of his billions of contributions please?
And as a previous poster asked, why should he not pay full whack tax when I or e.g. a shop keeper has to? Capitalist theory will say that someone will always fill a void where there is a market, so someone would have made a go of the business anyway and they might have actually paid their dues. It could be the case that this fucker’s tax avoidance gave him a commercial edge.
Was there ever a greater oxymoron than socialist workers party?
The SWP are a joke. One step down from Big Issue sellers.
I we had a hundred more tax evaders we would end up paying more tax to cover their evasion.
We have students being forced to pay for their education on top of paying more tax thanks to the wages they earn over a lifetime in order to pay the bills of the tax evaders and bankers bonuses.
I am surprised you think poor people should pay more to pay the bills of the rich.
Very odd views, Mr Fawkes.
Green avoids paying unnecessary tax, rather than evading tax which is a criminal offence. An important distinction.
What is so fundamentally wrong with a student paying their own fees? They after all will directly benefit from the education.
Then why should the rest of us be forced to pay tax? Just have one rule without loopholes that applies to every one.
You should be advocating a thing called Expenditure Tax. It is a flat rate system, is hard to avoid and would raise more than the current system. The reason it would raise more than the current system is that there are no “loopholes” and the lower rate required to raise a given amount makes it not worth trying. We currently have the most complex tax system in the world and nobody really understands it fully. New rules are constantly brought in which have unintended consequences far beyond what the draftsmen envisaged. Some of the most intelligent people in the country make a good living out of merely giving opinions on what the rules mean.
Not if they all end up with worthless ident-i-kit degrees they won’t. Serves the left wing buggers right too for supporting a government that provided them.
Many can’t understand basic maths or write an essay in grammatical English when they arrive at university. They have to be given extra lessons for God’s sake! If they only knew how much damage Labour has done to their education the bricks would be flying at Labour HQ pretty sharpish.
They can all fuck off somewhere else if they don’t like it here. I understand Monaco is nice!
I entirely agree, well said.
Lowering of standards started off with Mrs T. Under New Labour it went further down hill and with the present lot the distraction will be complete.
Lowering of standards started off with Mrs T. Under New Labour it went further down hill and with the present lot the distraction will be complete.
NewLab finished the whole thing off spectacularly. “All must have prizes” and university for at least 50% put paid to the notion that a university degree is worth something.
Collecting Green Shield stamps took more effort!
I think its Ms Green* that limits their tax exposure. She should be recognised as a distinct person.
*I mean ‘his wife’ but due to the patriarchal nature of language I can’t say that, and its absolutely horrid and oppressive to say that kind of thing. BooHoo! :””((
Support the cuts! ..oh no..whoops ..support the strikes and stuff like that! Limit the amount of money going to the treasury! That kinda thing! Flashmob!! Woot! Wait for me Polly!
>We have students being forced to pay for their education
And you prefer other people being people being billed to pay for other peoples education.
Are you a natural idiot, or do you practise?
Guido Fawkes
Arse licker of the rich
England’s problem in a nutshell:
A poor man stands on a New York street-corner as a Rolls Royce drives past. “One day,” says the poor man, “I’ll have one of those.”
A poor British man stands on a London street corner as a Rolls Royce drives past. “Fuck you,” says the poor man, “fucking rich bastard.”
There is absolutely nothing stopping you registering as self employed in Canton Zug, Switzerland and paying 17% tax. But you won’t, will you?
Will you stop dressing up and making a complete tit of yourself? You won’t will you?
At least it is a more honerable thing than anonymously insulting people….
Come off it. Philip Green is well dodgy, as anyone who knows about Amber Day and Landhurst Leasing will tell you.
Yes – and when he started on his latest bit of empire building, he was backed by a man who made no attempt to hide his connections with some chaps in dark suits from New York.
Taveta Investments, the company used to acquire Arcadia in 2002, is in the name of Green’s wife, Cristina Green, a Monaco resident, avoiding £285 million in tax that would be payable if a UK resident owned the company.[22] When Green paid his family £1.2bn in 2005, it was paid for by a loan taken out by Arcadia, cutting Arcadia’s corporation tax as interest charges on the loan were offset against profits.[23] In comparison, staff at Arcadia were told in 2005 that members of its final salary pension scheme must increase contributions by half and work five years longer to qualify for the same payout.
There have also been accusations that Philip Green is an asset-stripper as seen with his experiences with Owen Owen and the purchase of the UK arm of Etam which have seen a wide sell-off of stores. Philip Green denies this accusation.
Arcadia has been criticised for the pay and conditions of both overseas and UK workers by anti-sweatshop groups such as Labour Behind the Label, No Sweat and the student activist network People & Planet.
He is still worth more to the country than a hundred Polly Toynbees and a hundred thousand Claire Solomons and her pointless ilk.
Making a living by whingeing ad nauseum about how other people should pay more tax doesn’t pay for schools and hospitals. Only real business, with real employees do this. Piss them off too much and they will all end up in Eire or Switzerland.
Wake up dreamers.
Thanks! Here’s a million! Happy Xmas!
This is a superb article – it’s refreshing to see a blogger confront these issues – as an owner of two small businesses, I’m constantly punished by massive taxes, exorbitant rates, and a society (and banking system these days) that derides the businessman.
We’re all apparently on the make, and yet most of us pay double what the man in the street contributes at the very least and some of the time make virtually nothing when the going is average to bad. We risk our livelihoods, our financial security, our houses, credit records, and social lives building businesses that contribute to this country and all the government and the left do is shit on us from on high.
Guido. Make this a cause – businesses need a rallying point!
Exactly, couldn’t agree more!
Uoi’ve got it terribly wrong in your “Is Ireland tilting at Windmills?” post.
Ireland did the best thing possible, just 10 years too late. They instituted a site value tax.
Low taxes, can mean an increase in privately collected tax called Land-rent. Taxing the site or location aspect of this allows you to properly cut tax.
As we saw from Ireland, cutting taxes expands the GDP, however that GDP expansion is absorbed by property owners and those who lend to them.
A site location value fixes this.
Neil, we need more people like you in this increasingly godforsaken country – don’t let the envious and *ungrateful* statists grind you down.
So, how do you think that Greene managed to overcome all those obstacles?
Where should I send the cheque Guido?
Oh I dunno, Singapore somewhere like that. We don’t want your tax anymore. Please shut down all the Arcadia shops too.
Guido, characteristically, is being too charitable here.
The Looters (and don’t forget the Moochers – such as MPs, “councillors”, outreach-workers and the like) do what they do, and mean what they mean, on purpose. The MEAN THERE TO BE NO entrepreneurs. They are cheerfully frank in their deepest and most honest writings, about this problem. Anna Bramwell and Beatrix Campbell are prime examples.
They want to bring about a (civilisation is too large a word for it) “New Society” in which there are about 5,000-10,000 “leaders” serviced by perhaps 5 million of the rest of us, living marginally in penury, post-apocalyptic peasant destitution, and short-lived squalor. They will periodically choose our prettier daughters to have in their beds.
Just like North Korea in fact, except without the food, electricity, nuclear reactors, roads and buildings.
It is perfectly clear that there is an abject shortage of the understanding of how money works, and just what it is, in the Guido view of the world.
All the profit that Mr. Green has made is composed of money earned by someone by doing work. Many many millions of pounds have been removed from the UK and lodged in some off shore haven. All these millions have been removed from circulation within the UK. The sole purpose of money is to circulate, i.e. to exchange these tokens for work carried for goods and services which will provide others with tokens. Piling it in a big heap is an action against humanity and should be punished severely unless it is piled up in a savings heap for future spending on an “expensivel” item.
That’s what everybody who can’t earn as much as they’d like says.
You have any evidence it’s piled in a big heap, and not on loan to a bank etc or invested?
It seems highly unlikely he has 2Billion pound coins in a pile like Scrooge McDuck.
If he is he’s losing about 5% purchasing power per year thanks to the BoE and their ignore inflation policies.
Exactly, I imagine those monies were invested elsewhere. Maybe they are being used to create economic activity somewhere else and therefore enabling other people to be employed. #solidarity
Terrible isn’t it. Not that I am disagreeing with you – and our balance of payments deficit is doing the same thing but worse.
The problem is that if you increase taxes and strangle tax avoidance measures then even more people would go off to e.g. Switzerland and we would get even less money in.
On the other hand if you reduce taxation then people come into this country and we get a little from a lot more. It worked for Ireland and the Coalition is introducing a 10% ‘Investment in GB’ corporation tax to compete.
I’m with Guido
It must be tempting to sell up, live in luxury abroad and leave the tax hungry “anarchists” squealing. Perhaps sell to the chinese and let them chase them for the extra taxes.
Phil Green is the complete antithesis to another Phil I know..ME!!
Here’s a looter
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335562/We-hate-victims-say-29-500-benefits-family-new-home-plea.html
The bottom line is that Philip Green creates more wealth for this country than, than ….than ……….than. Than David Cameron, Nick Clegg, George Osborne and St Vince of Cable put together.
Couldn’t agree more. If those on the left are unhappy about the Treasury’s tax receipts, why don’t they double the amount they pay? There’s nothing to prevent any of them from simply writing a cheque to HMRC for any amount they like.
I don’t think upsetting Christmas shopping is going to lead to change in legislation relating to perfectly legal ways to arrange your taxes.
yeah.right
Philip Green – a wonder man!? You must be joking. He sells clothes that are badly made, not at all cheap, made out East (somewhere where wages are rock bottom.) He is an entrepreneur, that’s true. Do we need all his cheaply made crap? Is that where you buy your clothes – if only to keep his massive profits rolling in?
Agreed. Quite a few idiots must have bought stuff from him though!
Like the middleclass wankers who are blocking Oxford Street you are probably the sort of person who wouldn’t be seen dead in Top Shop. But the poor, with far less than you, love Green’s shops. And how many jobs have you created, Sunshine?
Have you bought stuff in P Green’s shops? His stuff is not cheap! I would call myself a successful entrepreneur, but have always been prepared to pay my dues.
What he sell is expensive crap, he buys it for £1 and sell it for £10.
£20++++++++?
Nail, Head, On, Hit.
sounds quite clever to me…
he seems succesful and loads of people DO shop there.
The marvel of capitalism is that you’re not forced to spend you’re money there.
The evil of marxism is that they punish others for creating wealth.
All clothes in UK are badly made – even the expensive designer ones that cost a fortune.
I agree but I don’t think it’s a popular opinion in the UK post the 1997 Year Zero revolution.
*Three cheers*
Couldn’t put it better.
who are you?
Ayn Rand a great novelist?
Yeah, right.
The novel bit is crap but the message is unmistakeable and bang on the money.
..and visited the Maximum Imbecile.
Here here.
Education should definitely be improved.
Where where?
The perception of how he appears to dodge his tax obligation needs to be addressed becuae it will onlhy get worse.
Killing the Golden Goose. It’s what Progressive politics does best.
I weally, weally, weally do think the Wevolution is here! Students evvywhere are wevolting! Tax-protesters are closing down businesses! I will wide to powwer on my young comwades showlders! I’m werry werry excited!
spot-on political analysis, thanks M8
More Philip Greens – they are in the synsagogue today with their yarmulkes and prayer shawls on.
If you must then do use the correct wordd – tallit.
You must be Welsh. Two words in a row, 2 LLs and 2 DDs
Hear Hear!
I have been robbed of so much money in so many taxes,especially overseas aid tax, not to mention the extortion of TV tax etc., that I feel it was enough to refloat the Titanic, twice. I daily incline towards the opinion that all Mps need to be hanged, twice.
The “tv tax” is £140 a year. If you can’t afford that you should fuck off you pauper
The voice of Hew Edwards there….
Hear hear!
This plundered and ruined (by Fabians) country needs a John Galt to squeeze out the looters and parasites.
And many Howard Roarkes too.
We want more! We want more! Exile Phil to Singapore!
We want more! We want more! Exile Phil to Singapore!
We want more! We want more! Exile Phil to Singapore!
We want more! We want more! Exile Phil to Singapore!
We want more! We want more! Exile Phil to Singapore!
We want more! We want more! Exile Phil to Singapore!
We want more! We want more! Exile Phil to Singapore!
Excellent, first-class analysis. The every-which-way Labour conspiracy is targeting our legitimate government and those prepared to do more to help sort this country out and put it back on the road to prosperity.
Hurrah for Sir Philip Green! Do the protesters pay tax? Hmmm.
Not sure ‘self styed anarchists’ ever call for a bigger state -surely that is an oxymoron. Entrepreneurs know the rules on our tax system when they choose set up here if they don’t like it they can go elsewhere….but then oh yes what the educated workforce, infrastructure etc which those nasty bad taxes pay for……?
Quite right. I and the 5 million other non-job civil servants, plus the millions of parasites on benefits, are quite happy to watch all the entrepreneurs move to Germany and make their dosh and pay their lower taxes over there.
That’ll show ‘em, eh Comrade?
Reading some of the tosh here, you can tell they’ve never read Atlas Shrugged.
Trouble is that you can’t educate people like that, they would rather remove every last businessman (because they are evil), and then everything would be fair. And ruined.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335632/Mayhem-Topshops-flagship-London-store-closes-protests-Sir-Philip-Greens-taxes.html
Look how much astro turfing is going on in the DM article comments. Someone must have pointed the soap dodgers there.
That sort of thing goes on, on the DM website all the time. It’s astroturf central sometimes. Quite amusing really, because the last people on Earth the astroturfers will convert are DM readers, most of whom would shoot students and protesters on sight given the opportunity. (ah, if only that were possible)
I suppose most of the astroturfers are Labour Party and Union employees. They are wasting their time. They are a bit thick and don’t realise that, of course. More power to them, the more time they waste doing that, the less time they’ll have to do anything else.
If you haven’t read Rand’s other major novel. The Fountainhead — recommended. And for an insight into the kind of world the Fabians want for us, read her novel about post revolution USSR, We The Living. Monstrous tyranny.
As for all these naive students, fake academics and Sparts, as you say it’s a waste of time. It’s a religion they either grow out of — or not.
Its on my bookshelf, ready for reading, also have the film, but waiting to read the book first. I have many books in a holding pattern.
Have read Atlas Shrugged and We The Living.
Tell me about it! First one to get red arrowed i was!
The retards obviously don’t understand anything about money they probably all work for the public sector or have jealousy issues.
Totally agree! I have what I can get by my own skills I don’t envy those who have more or wish to take it from them! why would I? if I devalue wealth and ambition what do I or those that follow me have to aspire to? .
But…but…but…it’s not fair!
Who are you going to defend next? Fred west ?
Who’s Fred West? Did he avoid tax too? How horrible.
he certainly saved several families vat on undetaking services……
… and I think he helped the black economy access his wife.
He’s a fine representative of the attractions of Gloucester. More incest and rape than you can point a shitty stick at.
Urm. So because he’s rich already, it’s ok for him to dodge tax?
I know someone who is trying to start their own business – be an entrepreneur, as everyone keeps banging on about… It’s very difficult to start out in a business, and be legit and actually make any money. Tax rules need changing to support fledgling businesses, and take into account expenditure (because apparently if you bring in x amount of money there are no expenses and that’s all profit! Bullshit) …. When you get to the point that Philip Green is at, yes, business needs to be supported but he is big enough to be able to afford to tax dodge (accountants, move abroad, etc) where HUNDREDS of hard-working British entrepreneurs are struggling to make any money at all! He should pay taxes on that 1.2bn dividend cheque he passed to his wife in Monaco. A couple of million pounds is nothing to him.
Exactly!
why are we not taxing transactions like this to aid start-up entrepreneurs who don’t have daddy’s money behind them?
Right on, comrade! Tax the bastards and encourage them to move abroad! That’ll show ‘em!
We’ll be poorer and our infrastructure will fall apart, but we’ll all be good comrades together!
Perhaps he’ll move to Ireland. That seems to be working out terribly well. Indeed you end up with the stomach churning sight of Bono guilting us average types into paying more to debt relief while making sure he organises his tax affairs so he pays much less.
So what you’re saying is the profligate Irish government should be discouraging taxpayers from moving to Ireland, and encouraging taxpayers already in Ireland to move abroad?
Good. We’re singing from the same hymn sheet, Comrade!
We’ll be poor together, you an’ me! Socialism well rocks.
I’m not sure him moving abroad would be such a big issue really. If that happened there would be a loss of businesses and income and therefore a shake-up of the system which is needed anyway…
Back to your books, sonny. You know, those curious objects full of printed pages, the ones you haven’t looked at yet.
Twat.
Speaking of the Big Issue, shouldn’t you be off selling it?
Please, if you do nothing else in your life, read Atlas Shrugged. You have no clue, that you have no clue.
Just a student should stick to his X-Box and leave the economics to grown ups. You seem to want a socialist paradise where everyone pays more money in taxes than they take home to feed their families.
Look what happened to socialist paradises in recent years. The USSR ran their collective economy into the ground. Plenty of tractors and tanks being built but there was no food in the shops. Remember seeing all those queues when the bread ration was delivered? Fidel Castro now accepts his socialist economy has failed. North Korea, that well known collectivist utopia has hundreds of thousands dying of starvation. Hero of the 1980′s Left Wing intelligentsia, Robert Mugabe (who preached Marxism) has destroyed Zimbabwe’s ability to feed itself. Hugo Chavez would have bankrupted Venezuela by now had it not been for the country’s oil reserves. Even so it seems he is having to turn his country into a drug state to amass additional revenue.
Only China’s economy has thrived because its government had the sense to adopt capitalism and dispensed with the Marxist/Collectivist economic theory.
So, Just a Student, if I were you I would get myself another moniker as your current one advertises your ignorance of the realities of life.
If he makes his money in the UK, he has to pay UK tax. What can you not understand about that?
If your friends business idea isn’t making any money, rather than whingeing about it, he needs to start again with a better idea.
Of course expenditure can be offset against tax. Sounds like your friend needs to speak to an accountant.
Like most modern students you’re pretty thick. You must try to differentiate between corporate, sole-trader, self-employed and PAYE. People are not taxed – it is revenue that’s taxed.
I was awarded a scholarship to study, so I can’t be that stupid. (I love how people pick up on the ‘student’ part so easily and judge me based on that as if it makes my views not count….Brilliant)
Yes revenue is taxed. What of it? Why should Philip Green not pay the tax he should be… I’m well aware of the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance and I know the latter is legal but I don’t understand how that makes it morally right?? Please explain.
No such things as morals dickhead.
P.s. this is written by another student.
Funny how some people love trying to tell others how to live their lives.
Morals? Which ones are they? The ones that say you decide to take someone else’s money when you see fit, because you believe that someone else needs it more. Wow, what tyranny, what self regard.
It’s not ME deciding to take someone else’s money. It’s money that should go to the government. I don’t see how this is an arguable point. What a CONVENIENCE it is that his family should just-so-happen to be located in Monaco… Which is a known Tax Haven where everyone goes to avoid tax?
Does anyone actually read on here or are you all so ridiculously self-righteous that you don’t even stop and carefully read what other people are saying, GOD FORBID anyone disagree with you.
Idiot.
> It’s money that should go to the government. I don’t see how this is an arguable point.
Like you said Dino, he’s a real thicko.
Student, you apparently haven’t the foggiest idea that (i) taking other peoples money for redistribution by idiot bureaucrats is morally challengeable and (ii) that it has very negative effects for everyone else — including the poor. It has been known for a long time how wealth is created — for everyone — and 50%+ taxation is not it.
Read some decent books and get a real education before it is too late.
If you loked at the facts, you would see that he is taxed on his UK oincome. His wife who lives in Monaco owns the shares in SArcadia, and she is liable for any tax in Monaco on her dividends, which are paid out of income that has already been taxed in the UK under corporation tax rules.
Where does the scholarship finance come from?.
As you say, Just a student.
A point often overlooked by Green’s detractors is that he didn’t have to invest in Arcadia and Top Shop. He could have just kept his money and lived a luxurious life pretty much wherever he chose.
If tax RATES are too high, the return on investment is greatly reduced by the amount of tax paid from the income generated by the capital invested. Some investors will make a decision that investing isn’t worth it if tax rates are too high (in the late ’70s, the top rate of tax on investment income in Britain was 98%, so the amount of investment capital available to business virtually dried up).
The way to encourage business is to reduce the total tax burden they have to bear. In 1997, the total tax take was 37% of GDP, it is now about 48%, and that just stifles growth. If tax rates were more reasonable in the UK, there would be no incentive for Green (and other large investors and companies) to offshore their business affairs. That wouldn’t reduce tax receipts, either – more business activity means more profit, so more tax. In the 1980s, tax rates were reduced by Nigel Lawson, and tax receipts went up.
Of course as Tax Rates fall, the profits mostly don’t go to those who earn them, they get eaten up by higher rent-seeking.
The Law of Rent makes it clear that the landowner has no role in setting land rents: he simply appropriates the additional production his more advantageous site makes possible, compared to marginal sites. The Law also implies that the landowner cannot pass on the burden of any cost such as land taxes to his tenants, as long as such costs do not affect the relative productivity of his land and marginal land.
Right… so… Successful business should be taxed heavily to support start-ups that will grow to be their competitors? Of course that would work. Who’d have any problem with that? How would your friend feel about that once he became successful, think he’d have a problem with that? Think he’d be ok with years of struggle, only to have to fund someone who will eat into his profits further?
It is not easy to start a business. It never has been. It never will be. It takes a certain kind of person. It does not just take money. If your friend is failing, there’s probably a good reason, that has nothing to do with those who are already successful.
Yes, absolutely more needs to be done to help entrepreneurs. Getting rid of bureaucracy, health and safety crap, and positive discrimination crap would go a long way to solving that. Fact is, if you are a woman, an ethnic minority, disabled or all of those together you can get loads of money to start up a business — but most of them fail. Struggling to survive and a fight to win is the best motivator. Being handed things does not help anyone — it’s just a waste of money. Our money, usually.
Advice to fellow Entrepreneurs
They say Gender is a choice. Chose to write down the gender that suits you best on the form in front of you.
Race is not a scientific concept. Pick the one you fancy.
We got a free entry to a Meet the buyers event because the company is 100% run by Women from Africa…
;0
Sounds par for the course for people like you – lie your way through life and fuck everyone else.
Fuck you too.
Oh dear Guido – you are not in front, you are very behind!
Calling peaceful protesters “looters” is a plain, old-fashioned slur – shame on you.
These protests are nothing to do with “contempt for entrepreneurs”. It is not unreasonable to expect rich people to play by the spirit (as well as the letter) of the rules, just like everybody else.
Now get a grip and go and find a real story, it has been a while since you have had one!
I bet he’s lied about his competitors too. Bastard.
+applause+
Surely, If he didn’t exist, those shops and jobs would still be there, just with different names on the signs outside? Guido seems to think that there would be boarded up shops on the high street and a pent up demand for clothing if Philip didn’t exist. Perhaps a refesher in market forces is in order?
One question: If he was replaced with someone who didn’t avoid tax or export large sums of cash to offshore tax havens, would the country be better off or worse off?
It would depend on whether they were as successful as him at generating tax revenue for the treasury.
Exactly. If Green hadn’t “saved” Top Shop, do we really think nobody in the country would be selling clothes?
“Surely, If he didn’t exist, those shops and jobs would still be there, just with different names on the signs outside?”
You mean, just like Woollies isn’t there any more and their old shopfront now says, er, ‘Woolworths’?
And stop calling me Shirley.
Yes, just kill him, he obviously deserves it!
Any any other businessman who dares to be rich. Bastards. We don’t need them, we’ll have democratically run people’s collectives.
What could possibly go wrong?
Typical looter mentality, we can live off the backs of the businessmen who give us jobs, and if we decide to destroy their businesses because our envy is simply too much to bare, another businessman, just as good, will take their place. Forever.
Please read Atlas Shrugged, its dangerous to walk around so misinformed.
Idiotic straw man argument. Try harder next time.
Look at what you just said….
Now expand it say a thousandfold.
Would you think there would be as many jobs and properties developed?
No.
what tosh! the billions he made came from somewhere. it comes from using cheap labour in India and the likes, from bribes, from cheap resources. selling poor quality, cheaply made clothes at low prices. his wealth is theft. its using and abusing the poorest of the poor for his own wealth. let’s not forget that all companies tend to have limited liability. with shareholders protected. how many clothes shops and British clothing manufacturers have closed down ? there’s nothing entrepreneurial about greed. and how much money does a man need? isn’t 800 million snuff? u want more? and the lost tax could be spent on education to get more entrepreneurs. Instead he gets it himself. he is a greedy man who cares not an iota for his fellow brothers and sisters.
Remind me, what’s the difference between Phillip Green and a “benefit cheat” ? Both use deception to con the state of money… but one of them’s cherished as an “asset to the nation” while the other’s lampooned as the scourge of the nation…..
One wants to keep his own money, the other wants to grab someone else’s.
Like our wonderful MP’s
The difference is that one breaks the law, the other hires clever accountants to fully understand the law and make sure he doesn’t pay any more tax than he has to.
The difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion seems to need explaining.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_avoidance_and_tax_evasion
Those on Benefits live on the backs of others and make the country poorer.
Philip Green makes the country wealthier.
He would only make the country wealthier if he did’nt cheat on his tax.
Confiscatory taxation makes *everyone* poorer — Green and those like him will invest the money more wisely and productively than our armies of idiot bureaucrats.
With many more kids expected out of education and others joining them on the streets in 2011/2012…..
(The number of 16 to 24-year-olds on the dole for more than a year has surged – costing the economy £155m a week, according to a report study from the Prince’s Trust and RBS. They found there were more than 25,800 young people claiming unemployment benefit for over 12 months.
This was a 442% increase on the number in 2008, before the financial crisis began, and takes the youth jobless rate to a 16-year high).
They are obviously not “all in work together” so I think you can expect a lot more demonstrations next year……enjoy!
Just wait another 15 years or so and see what effect the current boom in births has. They are nearly all to mothers of Polish extraction (no problem there; as members of the western Christian tradition they’ll fit in) and of P k s a i background (too many of whom will be brought up to resent, if not detest, their host society).
Going to the dogs? I’m not sure we aren’t already there.
What a racist!
Oh mummy, someone said something wasist.
Fuck off back to mummy or the Guardian and seek out counselling at once.
@Kate 12.27am
What part of Simon’s statement about the UK birthrate do you disagree with?
What a silly, knee-jerk response, Kate. Try looking at the facts, rather than dismissing a point out of hand; I assume you have the intelligence to do so.
It so happens that 94% of the population of this country are wh*te, from the tradition of which I wrote and to which I belong. It is a fundamental characteristic of humanity that it distrusts alien societies and their members: we them as much as they us. Moreover, those of a fascistic disposition (see certain 19th century political and 7th century religious persuasions) seek to impose their views and values on society at large. To do so effectively under our system they must command a majority. Now, when one minority, which is required by its holy text to convert us or kill us, becomes the majority, what hope do you hold out for our traditional freedoms? To bring the point home, how do you feel about the future for yourself (if you are a woman), your daughters and granddaughters?
You are aware, surely, that in Saud* Arab*a, where the funding comes from for the religious colonisation of the west, women are not allowed out alone, nor to drive, are stoned for adultery, not to mention many other humiliations? Do not be so naive as to think it could never happen here.
Or perhaps you approve – I hadn’t thought of that!
Best to cut Employer NI and Income taxes then.
Unemployment is caused by state barriers to Employment.
Unemployment is caused by state barriers to Employment.
Err, I think you’ll find rapid de-industrialisation, new technology, globalisation and mindless mass immigration have something to do with unemployment as well.
Post industrial societies don’t need vast armies of workers. That’s the new reality Unions and assorted LibLabCon party nuts are going to have to understand.
Sorry, Guido, don’t agree there.
Yes, folk like Green are good for the economy, and yes, we should encourage entrepreneurship.
But paying money into a tax haven to avoid paying the taxes that small business owners (who, let’s not forget, might be tomorrow’s Philip Greens) have to pay? That’s just cheating. It’s not as if he couldn’t afford to pay his fair share.
What ever happened to “we’re all in this together”?
Sorry mate. I am not a spotty faced anarchist student but I am afraid no one is worth Billions. And if they get billions then they should pay their millions in tax.
Thats the principle of a civilised society. in your argument then why should someone doing a perfectly worthwhile job on a normal wage pay thousands in tax as in your argument they are worth their £20000.
What difference would it make to Phillip Greens live to pay suitable tax. A lot less than it would for the man on £20000 to pay his.
He’s already paying taxes..and you forget, the thousands of people who work for him are also paying taxes. They are in employment, saving the state millions in benefits.
So when he bought Arcadia, no one was made redundant?
Do we have to thank Philip Green for being clothed?
No, because if he wasn’t there, someone else would be selling the necessary clothes and maybe god forbid paying tax as well.
Just remember that £1.2 billion sent to Monaco is £1.2 billion taken out of the UK economy.
Are you saying that if everyone removes money from the UK economy without paying any tax on it the economy would be better of?
They are in employment, saving the state millions in benefits.
If the workers are on minimun wage, then they are more than likely being subsidised by the tax payer through top up benefits, something the minimum wage enthusiasts always seem to forget.
We deserve your money, not you.
All Socialism stems from the same, very old, emotion: Envy.
You shouldn’t be rich, you work for us, your life is ours to decide, the people (I choose) are the law.
You then point at others who do well and shout out to the poor or the greedy, look, they have your money, that money should be yours, take what is rightfully yours. And they do, and there is no one left to build the businesses because they got fed up of the looters.
Socialism always ends in disaster but its appeal lies in the old emotion it centres around. Even monkeys are envious of others, its been with us for millennia.
No, I think it is just a recognition that Philip Green depends on an army of workers to enable him to make his fortune.
Yep, he employs people. What a swine.
>Thats the principle of a civilised society.
Looting is civilised? People should not be punished for creating wealth they should ONLY pay for the Government created monopolies and nothing more.
Don’t forget, not all entrepreneurs are the big billionaires like Green, Branson et al. Being an entrepreneur is not necessarily about money, but a particular mindset, one that does not keep complaining about life, but uses initiative, stays focused on the task and does not blame others. And while doing so benefits everybody else. Entrepreneurship is just as much about the exercising of one’s own God-given potential as it is money.
This could include Green, who I actually think should be paying a higher rate of tax than he already is, but can include any one with an ounce of ambition that wants to improve his own situation and that of others. Basically entrepreneur in my book includes anyone that has grown up, can wipe his own ass and is not a burden to others.
In our society it has been made virtually impossible to become a millionaire without committing ‘misdemeanours’, and that’s how it should be.
Yeah, its really important that we undermine the rule of law and discourage people from involving themselves in economic activity.
She’s a state teacher… It explains a lot.
Entitlement to other peoples money.
Lecturing about stuff she’s ignorant about.
Inverted morality.
No wonder school kids need 5 years away from school to correct all the lies they were indoctrinated.
Did you ever go to school?
So Phillip Green is such a hero then.
If he hadn’t bought arcadia would we all be walking around naked?
No, and maybe the people selling clothes would be paying UK tax and maybe they would be manufacturing in the UK, helping our trade figures.
And as for your comments about paying millions in tax already, he is not. The VAT he is collecting on behalf of the government and the employees tax is paid by the employees.
Yeah, that’s right neither him or Arcadia pay any tax. Jezuz
Whats Jezuz got to do with it.
I am simply pointing out that in the original article it is mentioned the tax Arcadia pay is employees paye and VAT. Neither of these come out of Arcadias profit. They are paying it on someone elses behalf and acting just as collectors.
Jezuz paid no tax, AFAIK, according to his sundry biographers.
Drain on the economy, really, though the merchandising has made up for its since.
I think he may well have payed tax, when as a carpenter he once said (during a tea break, I think) ‘render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, render unto God that which is God’s’.
I was referring to your comment, “And as for your comments about paying millions in tax already, he is not.” Not true.
Arcadia, PG & employees all pay tax. Great! Thank you to them, let’s spend that tax income really carefully from now on.
If Jezuz pays no tax I am going to protest outside my local church tomorrow. A brand name as big as his should not escape the clutches of HMRC
The church is tax exempt.
Lets close down this loophole.
The leftie slime who have screwed this country over the last decade would love to drive out entrepreneurs. After all, these people provide jobs, but to the lefties that means they take people off the state teat. Lefties need hate figures. They need to pretend that they despise rich people, when in fact a lot leftie politicians do their level best to mix with the rich, and to enjoy their lifestyles by freeloading off them. Then they go back to their Islington houses and write nasty articles about them. This country should reduce corporation tax, reduce all taxes which encourage people to start up businesses. Provide incentives for anyone who wants to employ people. Forget all that marxist crap and get on with creating a society which is not based on people working for the state.
Guido you arse licking c’unt. Grovelling to them bastards will do you no good mate.
I think that in broad terms Guido is one of those bastards. Despite being horribly oppressed because he’s Irish. Let’s all hold hands and celebrate Guido’s successful struggle against nastiness and other people having more money. AND Don’t forget to use your fucking hashtags or you’ll all be shot!
He can never be one of those bastards – only suck their cocks like Liam Neeson.
Its dark already you useless bastard! #fail
Well said Guido.
Well said Guido (arse licking c’unt).
Oh god another ‘oh Guido is this Guido is that’ post if you don’t like it here F88k off !
Fuck off to North Korea or China if you find views different to yours so objectionable.
You’re like the tribal Hunts on the Guardian’s CiF.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/04/uk-uncut-protest-topshop-vodafone
OMG! More students . Now they’re disrupting Xmas Shopping. Labour has become such a rabble.
I notice none of them said much when labour introduced tuition fees…
or when Bruin was driving the economy onto the rocks at full pelt
Higher taxes, bigger state.
First advocated by brown and now son of brown!!
How much more of a bigger state do they want?
We’ve already got government officer’s examining our fridges for what we eat, promoting the use of cycles even in bad weather, counting pram wheels, wandering along the high street handing out leaflets on how to avoid food poisoning by not freezing and then re-cooking used foods too many times……….
How many more of these idiots do we need to be paying for??
Another one for you, nell. Ad in the local paper for a half-time bod at £10k+. Job involves going round old folks’ homes looking for problems with the building and reporting them.
OK, needs doing, but why not (a) let the home manager just call someone in to fix it or (b) have a handyman do it, fixing problems as he spots them? There is no need for a piggy-in-the-middle who is just another person to be paid from public funds.
Another one: two women taken on to jobshare an admin role in a university. One immediately goes off sick on full pay, the other does nothing in working hours then walks off with the Apple laptop when she leaves. In both cases the academic they work for tried to get action taken, but the HR dept wouldn’t allow it – they were protected by their gender and pigmentation. It would be ‘bullying’ with overtones of r*a*c*i*a*l prejudice to ask for the uni’s property back or to request a sickness certificate. And this is costing us all money, including the poor students whose fees will rise to pay it.
The public sector would be funny if it weren’t so tragic.
Don’t they know there’s a crisis on?
Disrupting xmas shopping, things have gone just too far.
Well you’re lucky you can call it Xmas Shopping in your area.
In some areas, Christmas has been banned. No lights, no trees, no Father Christmas. The long shadows cast by labour’s depressing 13 years has deemed such things politically incorrect.
If you’re lucky your area may not have banned it totally , just renamed it a ‘winter holiday’ !!
However, out here in the sticks, we’re into our Xmas Trees, Carols, Door Wreaths, Stockings on the mantle piece, mulled wine and the rest!!
Evidence of counter-revolutionary activity that must be suppressed as quickly as possible. As is our own Advent Calender!! It is all impure thought!! Even we’re thinking of Xmassy concepts!! Must stop..must stop! We must hate ourselves more! Thanks be to the Hive-Mind that Comrade Leader Ed is entirely free of the poison from religious practice! Although he was at the cenotaph.. he must have shut his mind to the religious aspect of that to keep his mind pure! Congratulations to the Leader for his purity!!!!!
PS If you’re Catholic and live in Glasgow you have to vote Labour.
Sadly, the usual Socialist Worker scum et al have attached themselves to what is, on the very specific point of tax avoidance, a very valid protest.
It’s no good saying the Greens, Vodafone and their chums pay millions in tax, as if they’re doing us some kind of favour, FFS. Indeed they do pay millions – but they’re still not paying their fair whack.
And please stop this crap about offshore/ultra-low tax countries being some sort of heaven (or haven) for entrepreneurs: try telling that to the 1,500 or so ex-Dell (another J…) workers in Limerick.
Doubtless you’ll be singing the praises of Kraft, too:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11919248
FFS.
Doesn’t the Kraft story kind of prove that low taxes are better than high ones?
No.
I think Kraft would disagree with you there
Uhmm.. I’m pretty sure it does.
Economically Ignorant teacher is a tautology.
Whereas you are just a twat.
no
The tax guff in the BBCand Guardian is typical lefty overblown nonsense. Cadbury paid UK tax on some of the profits of its foreign subsidiaries before that income was distributed to the UK (and thus taxable in the normal way). Because Kraft bought the entire group and moved those subsidiaries to a Swiss holding company thoise profits are no longer taable in the UK, but similar rules mean that they are also taxable under US rules in a similar way to the UK rules.
The shit stirrers who are going on about Kraft omit to tell the world that Kraft paid several billion to the shareholders in Cadbury, which will be put into their tax computations as capital receipts (CGT) and presumably the cash will be reinvested in other UK businesses which will also be profitable/taxable, but it sounds like you either don’t undertand or don’t want to know that.
But what about the workers?. Everyone gains but them.
What workers? A few management jobs are moving to Switzerland so the profit making offshore subsidiaries are managed and controlled from Switzerland not the UK, but the factory workers and other employees keep their jobs. Kraft didn’t buy Cadbury’s because they thought they could run the existing business more efficiently but because they thought they could sell and ditribute the products in other parts of the world, so if anything the production workers jobs are safer.
Only a matter of time.
>still not paying their fair whack
1p of their profits is more than their fair whack.
Tax them on the things the state does for them, and nothing more.
Define ‘their fair whack’. Do you have the slightest fucking idea?
Contrary to popular belief I realised some years ago not to post or start a thread when pissed!
Hear hear, but more fool the twerps who are about to go out and line his pockets even more by filling their houses with useless Xmas tat. A pox on Christmas! Bah Humbug.
gordon , buzzmilitwit, hatty harpic and all the other labour grouches entirely agree with you.
Just so long as you understand their taxpayer expenses fuelled winter holiday celebrations, which may in some cases get out of hand (entirely acceptable in parliamentary terms) are completely necessary for team-making exercises!!
“Self-styled “Anarchists” calling for higher taxes to fund a bigger state are no anarchists.”
Nor are they particularly clever. Cut the vast waste at the heart of Government and there would be more money to spend on the things these ‘anarchists’ insist the rest of us should pay for. Look at the figures and you can see that health and education in particular have had masses of money thrown at them seemingly without a requirement for improvements nor penalties for failing the public.
Is there any way we could detach this distant (and often elite) bunch of looters from the backs of the put upon taxpayers?
Well said, Sir!
Would you be prepared to add my personal bete noire, the EU, to your list?
Force (i.e. the State) isn’t a good tool to create healthcare and education.
It will always fail.
Parents should pay for their childrens education.
People should pay for the maintenance of their own bodies.
Why don’t we just cancel all this civilisation stuff and go back to the law of the jungle?
AC1 is working on it!
Kate, please make a post that doesn’t persuade people that you are stupid.
We are already paying for our children’s education and our health care; at present it’s done via the state confiscating money from some and distributing it to all.
But that’s only one possible model of provision. It is not synonymous with ‘civilisation’ – it’s no more than one way of getting to a desirable, civilised, end. There are others.
And do you really believe that state education is uniformly excellent? It is just possible that some other way may be better. Open your mind to the possibility.
If he’d started his own business from scratch and and built it up into a success with his own money that might have been worthy of admiration. Instead he has risen without trace. He acquired money from who knows where, bought businesses other people had built up, took them down market and now sells over-priced, badly made, far eastern tat to the impressionable and gullible. Thanks to our crap education system, young people no longer have the imagination or skills to design or make their own clothes so they are hopelessly dependent on shysters like Green. His unsightly slavvering over Kate Moss is revolting and wasn’t he responsible for the demise of Woolworths thanks to the property speculation arm of his business that specialises in putting rents up to unsustainable levels designed to put people out of business?
You’ll be telling us next that Richard Caring is a great chef.
Do you think the Students will still get their 10% discount at Topman after this?
Just nick the bloody tat and get a 100% discount.
I thought they all did.
+1
PB posters claim that Folly Toynbee has been carried out of Top Shop, wanted to do her bit for the students.
Silly Cow will probably be given plenty of air time by the Hunts from white powder city.
Do you like my hairdo, beads and glasses combination?
http://yfrog.com/mhi2f0j
Mine’s alright, but I don’t think much of yours.
Is the wench to her left wearing a hammer and sickle on her hat?
Perhaps she should protest about the tax position of The Guardian.
Did you tell the students about your villa in Tuscany?
Yes it is,a clear view of it is here.Click to enlarge.
http://twitpic.com/3cw271
Look at that uber-smug thicko penny red…makes you want to reach for a rifle.
Presumably that was her last public appearance here in dear old england before she clears off to her manor in tuscany where her beloved servants are going to cook her her winter holiday dinner as her guests open their gold plated presents and partake of the very best of her cellars.
With luck tuscany will have flash floods or forest fires!
Then there’s bobcrowe planning to clear off for Xmas to his cuban hideaway, complete with servants, funded by his naive union membership.
And do let’s not forget the poor’impoverished’ euro funded kinnochios . They sure as hell aren’t going to be dining on anything less than the very best of everything there is to have.
You have to love this labour, ‘we ‘re here for the working classes’ crew!
What a comedy they are!!
Hi from Gordon, Balls and Damien !!!
Yes lots of students do things that they regret later.
Trashing Restaurants and paying for it.
Throwing Fire extinguishers off buildings
Pi**ing on war memorials
Smashing windows on business property.
Distributing pamphlets on how to fiddle state benefits
Taking Drugs
Smoking a joint but not inhaling?
They do lots more than that. A few of them slung out of their universities and into the slammer every week would remind the rest that nothing in this world is free. Not even their education…
Why do the left only post pictures of Tories wearing silly uniforms?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/14/article-1286627-0A09686D000005DC-494_233x423.jpg
I really care for oiks like you nell.
fuck off
You look like Ed Stourton. (Apologies to Ed)
Is that a late Tuscan summer tan she is sporting?
“The looters are killing this country”, quoth Guido.
Of late it’s become difficult to tell which country that is, what with the vituperation against the Irish governing and banking classes that’s appeared here.
Assuming that in this case it’s the UK, it’s right. I know a number of people who have never worked outside the public sector and have not the least idea how hard it is to make a profit in the face of competitors, and how dispiriting it is to have large chunks of it spirited away, much to be wasted.
But it’s not just the difficulty of making money, it’s the stress that the people endure from the worry that survival, either as an owner or a manager, imposes. Of that. too, they have no idea.
Personally, we should drive him out of the country. Get rid of him. No more British work for him.
In fact I would go as far as to say he should be sent to South Africa and start up his businesses there.
Yes, send him to South Africa.
Ampers (from Stellenbosch).
Anarchists – LOL – they’re Communists.
Read Ayn Rands ‘Anthem’ if you want to see what the future will look like because of the pondscum and jetsam that now calls it’s self humanity.
Oh yay Candles what a wonderful invention……….
I really don’t understand the attraction of Ayn Rand for the true libertarian – it’s poorly written tat for the most part, and doesn’t really add anything to what went before.
If you really want to understand the concepts of individual freedom and how it relates to the state, try ‘On Walden Pond’ by Thoreau – it’s elegantly written, very clear and when I read it at 14 it blew my mind.
Whatever Philip Green does with his tax affairs is his business – good luck to him if he’s not subsidising the overstuffed pension pots of public-sector parasites any more than he has to.
Absolutely spot on. I first come across Walden 12-odd years ago and it did exactly the same for me. The troughing toerags of today are no more than banal reincarnations of the assholes that shaped Thoreau’s past…
where you wearing lipstick Guido when you puckered up?
BItches always whinge about having to pay the taxes they should, learn to shut ya pathetic mouth guido or someday you find it filled with Andrex.
‘BItches always whinge about having to pay the taxes they should’
Ironic choice of words spastic given what the students are currently protesting about……
Keep sending the cheques.
“Philip Green deserves his billions, he is a self made man who left school at fifteen, worked hard, took risks, clearly enjoys himself and defends his just rewards from the rapacious grasp of the tax man. If only we had one hundred more Philip Greens…”
Well, one thing is certain. We won’t get any more Philip Greens from the protesting cretins whose total lack of understanding as to where jobs and wealth come from is enough to prompt right thinking people into having half the universities demolished because the inhabitants clearly have no business being there, regardless of the university course payment issues, and they are obviously not required.
The Police should stop pussy footing with this lot and take a leaf out of the French CRS tactics. A few broken bones wouldn’t go amiss with these senseless half-wits. No sense, no feeling.
If push comes to shove we can always burn a shit load of civil servants and students. Brown created enough of the useless fuckers to keep a decent sized power station going.
Is that carbon neutral?
Should be because their carbon footprints will go with them won’t they?
If shits such as Green paid their taxes, there’d be less for the rest of us to pay. The sooner we close down these sleazy tax havens, the better. Green’s taxes could have paid for 20,000 nurses, and here you are singing his praises. He also hates the Irish with a passion.
So tell us, how exactly do you or nurses create wealth for this country?
For starters nurses are trained to keep someone alive when their body thinks otherwise. I guess if the life of a person paying taxes is saved the amount of cash spent on their education, previous trips to seek health care and many other expensive activities hasn’t been wasted. Compared to a dead person the person walking out alive will continue to generate wealth in whatever job they do.
Why don’t you engage brain before opening mouth? You sound like the sort of stain on humanity any sane person wouldn’t object to seeing seven bells kicked out of.
Try voicing your particular sort of nastiness in a public space and see how many agree with you or even come to your aid, a nurse maybe.
Er….so it’s all those thousands of entrepeneurs who have managed to walk out of an NHS hospital alive who create the wealth is it? God, you’re dumb, you must be a student.
It’s the millions of ordinary people up and down this shit hole of a country who benefit from the skills of nurses to get themselves back to work after needing their skills. The same millions who pay taxes too, taxes that go towards removing your garbage probably – of which there must be plenty.
If you don’t think these millions generate wealth for the country you are one sad fuck.
You are a shit stain on the rest of humanity. Get back to jacking off to Dragon’s Den and your own special needs world of entrepreneur porn.
Yeah let’s export some nurses and dustman for hard cash and see how far we get shall we? What a twat.
Other countries export nurses here. Many send cash home, seems to generate wealth their end.
Fuck you. Enjoy your loads of wealth after your death.
“Many send cash home, seems to generate wealth their end.” Lol!
Er…….so what does that do for the UK economy and job creation in the private sector then genius? Honestly, I wouldn’t even put you in charge of a whelk stall luv.
Let’s import cheap nurses too. One’s that aren’t too good to empty a bedpan. Introduce some price competition.
Well if you send a pound abroad they have to buy something in the UK with it.
Aye, and farmers grow all that lovely food without which we’d all starve. And lorry dr*v*rs are trained to dr*ve big lorries full of food around the UK to our local shops where we can buy it instead of having to grow it ourselves.
And all those chaps on the oil rigs risk their lives day and night to make sure we have oil to burn in our power stations so we don’t starve to death. And all those brickies and plumbers make sure we have shelter and fresh running water so we don’t die of exposure or thirst or cholera.
But none of these are considered ‘key-workers’ for some reason. It’s only the fucking nurses who are considered so fucking special.
Why is that?
I could live to be sixty or seventy and never need a nurse. A few mid-wives maybe but otherwise most of us will get by until our sixties before the wheels start to come off. Even then a doctor’s visit and a quick prescription (God, won’t somebody think of the chemists!!!) and I’ll likely see my seventies or eighties.
But without food and shelter we’d be dead in a week.
So, you know, what’s so fucking special about nurses?
We pay ‘em. They do their job. Just like farmers, lorry dr*vers, electricians, brickies and plumbers.
Don’t come all fucking ‘key-workery’ on me.
oil to burn in our power stations so we don’t freeze to death.
D’oh.
It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.
Adam Smith
Key Worker is just code for Party member. Another step to “class” Apartheid as implemented in the USSR.
Absolutely AC1. Just the wicked Labour government getting their ‘us and them’ narrative up and running.
Just the same old class war garbage.
Because they have nothing else to offer.
Nothing.
And all you have to offer is unmitigated greed.
how.very.sad
Unmitigated greed? Not at all. We could have kept working, climbing the greasy corporate pole but we’re well beyond how much effort it requires to make a 0.01% increase in our quality of life being worth the effort. For us.
If I wanted a ‘better’ car I could spend 50K and buy one. Or I could just buy another second-hand one at auction for 3K. In order to have that 47K difference I’d have to earn 47 x 2K = 94K.
And then it would likely cost me 3K to insure the fucker.
And for what? To be taxed extra on my ‘gas-guzzling’ status symbol for having the audacity to buy one in the first place?
And then I’d be worried about parking it anywhere in case it got scratched. Or wrapping it around a tree.
Fuck that.
Same with houses. I’ve had the big house. Do you know what? Just more space to heat, more stuff to repair, more stuff to insure and a bigger roof to worry about. So we cashed out and bought a house 1/4 the size. And with the money we made (tax free) we’re sitting on our duff.
Same with holidays. You can have the same holiday for 1/2 the price by planning ahead. So we do.
But if Phil Green wants the Learjet and the yacht then good luck to him. I couldn’t be fucking arsed. It’s just more crap I don’t need.
Same with food. I can shoot my neighbours pheasants, partridge and deer (some money changes hands for the deer) for practically nothing. And the roads are most bountiful. I eat great food for next to fuck all.
See – 51% tax does work. It makes people realise what’s important. Not paying 51% tax for example.
I am not your slave. That’s not greed – that’s a fundamental human right. Apparently.
sleazy tax havens= territories with low taxes. How evil is that!!??
Because in the inverted morality of marx extortion and punishing people for creating wealth isn’t totally evil.
I know, they’re mad.
If i was Green i would do the same if you dont like it dont go in his shops
Yep. Don’t go to his shops and throw all his employees on the dole.
He’s got his billions. The loans are with UK banks. Who are these muppets spiting?
+1.
My family has taken the John Galt option.
We could earn a million and pay half a million tax. Or we could earn fuck all and spend all our time doing what we like.
So we do what we like instead.
Fuck ‘em. You’ll get fuck all thanks.
Many potential investors in British business have taken the same approach. What’s the point in putting in a lot of hard work just to wave at the money as ai wooshes past to HMRC, later to be pissed up the wall paying single chavs to have two more kids?
And the best bit is that our indolence has freed up an opportunity for one of these bed-wetters to take up the slack and earn and pay the tax that we no longer pay.
I’m all heart. Creating that opportunity for these legions of newly-qualified degree students.
Just think. All that money unearned. All that tax unpaid. I’ve just left it hanging there on the magic money tree for them to help themselves to.
All heart me.
So much better than us earning a million and paying half a million in tax. Why there’s a whole million just lying there on the magic money tree for ten or twenty of them to have a great life and pay half a million in tax between them.
Knock yourselves out kids.
The UK should be encouraging business growth and focusing on a growth on small businesses in particular. They are the ones who are really struggling at the moment. The government wants the private sector to absorb the losses from a shrinking public sector and this can only be achieved with tax cuts and other incentives.
Europe is in crisis and our government should be encouraging businesses to set up in the UK through tax cuts.
We need the Jockinese Cowperthwaite’s Hong Kong Capitalism in the UK.
If anyone glues themselves to one of my shops windows I will feel the need to clean them with a high pressure hose using cold water.
Please don’t. Especially if your window is on the High St and temperatures for the night are precicted to fall beneath – 2
Just leave them there!
C’mon let’s get into the Xmas spirit!!
We got rid of 13 years depressing, abysmal, lying labour this year.
Yes we’ve got a coalition, but it’s not working bad. You can’t expect perfection from any government, just remember that.
And the coalition is proposing to get shut of the HoL by 2015 and have a proportional elected senate of 300, rather than the current 600 leaching lords, by 2015.
It’s Xmas let’s celebrate the good things, and hope that gordon is shivering in Scotland!!
piss off
These little snots couldn’t be bothered to protest when Liebour was busy whittling away their civil liberties.
Someone is stirring up the collective hive mentality is all.
So what if he’s loaded. It probably doesn’t make him any happier.
As for the “he could have paid for 10,000 nurses” line, only a tiny fraction of government spending goes on nurses.
People should be protesting that Gordon Brown created tax loopholes so big that you sail a large yacht through them.
In labour’s dying days, my mum was sick in hospital.
When I went to see her I found her collapsed on the floor and other patients frantically, and fruitlessly, ringing their alarms to get her help.
She’d had a stroke.
Was there a shortage of nurses on the ward that day?
Actually there was a surfeit of them.
Where did I find them? All comfortably esconced having a laugh, joke and cup of coffee in a distant staff room where they were safely out of earshot of needy patients.
Were they bothered by my mother’s distress. Not a bit!!!
In our nhs here in peterborough this sort of situation is a common occurrence. Plenty of staff. None of it caring. That’s what 13 years of labour has done for us!!
Ah, but Nurses==Earth Angels, didn’t you hear?
Every rich man who doesn’t give his “morally fair” amount of money to others is guilty of murdering nurses, for that is how we count money now, in nurses.
The funny thing about the Left is that they are obsessed with money, taking it from others and spending it as they see fit, as if throwing any amount of money at something makes it better. They think like children.
13 years of Labour rule and they have learned nothing, still keen to loot and spend.
Seems to happen more often than not in the National Death Service.
http://nationaldeathservice.blogspot.com/
To be honest the NHS is just responding to the incentives created by marxist medicine. When the ill become hospital costs instead of hospital customers they’re importance is minimised.
Well said,Nell. My wife suffered a minor stroke and was taken to the stroke ward at our local hospital. The nurses, thinking my wife was non compus mentis because of her illness didn’t hide their contempt for the other, more seriously affected stroke victims on the ward. My wife witnessed terrible neglect of the other patients by members of “the caring profession”.
One night,one of the other stroke patients tried getting out of bed, fell quite heavily and banged her head on the floor. My wife kept pressing the bell to call a nurse for assistance but was repeatedly ignored. It seems all the nurses on the ward were watching the X factor in the television room. When a nurse finally came onto the ward and found the old lady, they just put her back in bed without having her checked by a doctor. They just kept complaining about the old girl until they realised my wife was fully aware of their actions. They then put on a show of being “caring” towards the old girl.
My wife witnessed so much neglect on that ward that she’s now terrified of suffering a relapse and being taken back there.
I must admit I’m sick of Labour politicians putting the nursing profession on a pedestal. None of the so called public services put the public first. There is no public service ethic. That died when nursing, policing, doctoring etc. stopped being vocations and became careers.
And Hunts like Richard “DICK” Murphy should be hung drawn and quartered – if only.
Most of Green’s wares are imported, so this is not the best example of UK wealth creation and retenton
Overseas companies operating with a tax advantage over locally-based companies WILL ENSURE that future Philip Greens have the least possible chance of succeeding
“Overseas companies operating with a tax advantage”
Like Ireland with their ‘competitive’ rate of corporation tax? The same Ireland which Cameron & Co are shovelling shed loads of UK plc cash to?
This country is fucked. The truth is I don’t care any more. I have no dependants am middle aged and have nothing to lose if it all goes tits up tomorrow.
You can count me out of Dave’s Big Society. He’s as bad as the rest of them.
You cant mean Gordon Brown when you say the rest of them,can you.He was a great man.
Indeed he was the greatest PM failure ever!!
Eden, foot, neville chamberlain. They were all spectacular failures, but gordon exceeded even them!!
gordon is going down in our nation’s history as the most abysmal, most failed, most disastrous PM we have ever ever had!!
Foot was PM? I must have been more pissed than I thought in the 1980s.
Eh? Imports cannot create wealth? Imports are a sign we are creating wealth in the UK.
It’s when we export a lot can be a sign we are struggling economically, sending real goods out of the country in exchange for paper promises.
High reliance on exports is a sign that the country has hampered the development of it’s internal economy.
Polly the pig was there,got thrown out of the shop by all accounts.
Note the far left kook uploader.
Sounds like a “one who flew over the cuckoos nest” day trip
http://yfrog.com/mhi2f0j
Well she’s had a lot of bad press about her rich lifestyle.
She needed to grab some ‘I’m all for the underdog’ publicity before she cleared off to tuscany for her luxury winter break.
That’s what she did today. Surprised she hadn’t got buzzmilitwit with her.
Remind me again which organisation, famous for paying its fair share of tax, Polly the Pig is employed by?
Oh, the Guardian Media Group manage to avoid taxes too? Surely they of all people would want to keep the poor nurses in pension contributions?
Hypocritical fat whore.
They’ve been running a loss for years. Not sure how you can tax a loss, a refund maybe?
Fuck off.
They’ve been manipulating a paper loss for years while taking profits offshore.
Still, the public sector cuts should kill off most of their advertising revenue, and they might make a real loss soon.
Lefty whore.
While I would punch her if she opened her mouth, I reckon Laurie Penny would be filthy in bed.
Top Shop is simply dreadful and BHS is a cess-pit.
Yeah you don’t have to shop there, it’s called freedom of choice you stupid bint.
I dont’t shop in either of those stores, but I did once stand just inside the doorway and was astonished by the sheer awfulness of aforementioned stores.
I once caught a brief glimpse inside primark as I passed by and thought someone was holding a jumble sale!
So where do you shop you snooty cow?
Oh Dear I rather suspect you are hattyharpic / pollytwaddle (completely interchangeable personalities) .
And of course we have to understand as labour grandees you both wouldn’t deign to shop in anything less than vivien westwood’s personal london showroom or something similar.
labour, of course, as they have made quite clear over the last decade, don’t resort to anything less than the best (paid for by the taxpaywer of course)!!
yokels like nell do have a medievil mindset to the rich and scrape and bow to them hoping they might throw them a turnip
So you haven’t sent a small percentage of your money to Monaco! Congratulations! Long live the Revolution! If there we a hundred more of you there would be a hundred more of you too!
Your honesty is most refreshing. Are you from Bangalore, perchance?
Bangalore, wasn’t that one of our colonial country’s
@ trotters traders – I shop in Harrods, Harvey Nicks and small exclusive shops.
@ Nell – I am none of the people you mentioned.
Fuck off back to Tuscany Polly Twaddle.
You’re baroness uddin aren’t you??
You’re just annoyed that he has managed to make more money from business and trade than you have by troughing from the taxpayer!!
Socialism is the answer! We need to form collectives in this country! Onwards towards victory, comrades!
This site wants a final solution for socialism.
Did someone mention sweatshops?
Mmm. I love sweats – Sherbert Fountains are my fave.
Too right, mate – we need a MILLION like him, not more bloody officildom …
Up yours.I have a villa in Tuscany.
>>Ironically<< You're a great asset to people who've inadvertently swallowed poison.
Oi!!
Don’t forget me. I got filthy rich by selling useless crap to any poor sod that fell for my marketing.
I’m an entrepreneur …..get me on to this blog.
Sir Alan was a Labour donor like me.I wonder if he supplied any equipment to Browns government ?
Probably supplying those laptops the poor were constantly being promised. Worked out at about 2000 quid each. Dixons sells ‘em for 300 quid.
I wouldn’t have minded that contract.
I’d have my missus supply them from Monaco too.
I haven’t worked (fortunately) for the last decade.
Will sign on next week to get my two MacBook Airs and an Ipad.
OK you’re allowed because you aren’t an ideological enemy now. Well you might be but the official position of the Left-Nexus is that you aren’t evil.
BTW nobody who comments on this site is cool enough or Left-Wing enough. I hate you all.*
*I should add that this comment isn’t the opinion of the BBC. Their opinion is that you’re all very suspect and should have your opinions modified.
Don’t worry Alan, you’re property empire is worth a lot less than you paid for it. You heading to be a spoonerism of rankbupt
Chop off the looters knobs !!
How very simple.
The best solutions usually are.
Yep.
Keep It Simple Stupid.
KISS
And coffee is for closers.
Well said Guido.
Yes indeed, all too fucking true. Trouble is that so many Lefties haven’t the slightest understanding of business. Hence the monumental fuck-ups of the past thirteen years. It’ll take a decade to repair the damage.
Most amusing part of this is, those students/anarchists/welfare benefit people , attacking the shops today have never paid, and will never pay a single penny in tax in their lives.
So who is going to make the money to support them?? Not them! That’s for sure!!
“and will never pay a single penny in tax in their lives. ”
Piss off you daft bint. How can you possibly write that and keep a straight face?
Not that I’m siding with the lefties but +1
Now i know the meaning of soap dodger.The smell,I feel like I have s hit under my finger nails.Nice people,but the pong became unbearable.
Going for a shower now,in my villa,in Tuscany.
Viva teh revolution!
If the government could get more tax money out of our entrepreneurs they could afford give more to worthwhile projects like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11913053
Oh Dear. A coalition idiot. Not a surprise . They exist at all levels and in all political shades of government.
Seriously it would have been better if they had given the money to fighting deforestation rather than climate change.
(Tongue in cheek I think what they need to do is set leylandii in these deforested areas. 10 years from now soil erosion will have been absolutely halted!!)
The British government has a great record when it comes to overseas projects :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanganyika_groundnut_scheme
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5804927/Soldiers-die-but-the-womens-Ferris-wheel-turns-on.html
Don’t forget this one..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutiny_on_the_Bounty#The_1787_breadfruit_expedition
tax dodgers should have their greedy grasping hands cut off……fucking greedy bastards
Most of the working classes would end up with no hands from all the blackmarket tobacco an booze they buy,is that what you want!
Shit!! ‘Top Shop’ is the bottom trending topic on twitter now
( Quick! Lefties get your hashtags out!! #ukuncut #uHunts #unity #bullshit #solidarity #labour .. no! #SWP..no! #Labour…no! #SWP….no! #Labour..no! #SWP..OK this is war!!
Why the fuck should pay tax at the 50% rate when I know it will only be paid out in benefits to keep socialist anarchist scum out of work and free to attack my shops and staff?
One thing about your sort, they certainly know how to make money and keep it.
You should open your legs more you useless fucking slag.
I think you may be what’s known as an imbecile.
I couldn’t give a toss what you think.
-> vinegar stroke
With such a choice phrase as “You should open your legs more…” I suspect you toss off more than you care to admit. Any woman going near you must either be special needs or your mum.
Stop trying to groom me you dirty old queen.
lol
Keep the red flag flying.
Why pay capital gains tax when you can flip your house?
Quaite right Alistair darling. We flipped our homes (taxpayer provided) three times to avoid capital gains tax. As Gordon would say, it was the right thing to do.
Why does the BBC refer to them as “protestors” Why are they not being called “benefit claimants”?
They’re useless shit fucks, end of.
Eh ?? Not me. I’m at home watching Jeremy Vyle
Ayn Rand is my friend. He endorses my policies.
Anne Widdecombe is a dalek in drag!
She’s also a RC convert.
And?
And what?
And what, what?
Those two facts are linked.
Could well be.
And gordon is a presbyterian. He might have been hindu or muslim or buddhist. If he had been caring, honest, decent, worthy, any of those religions would have been proud to claim him as their own.
As it is no-one wanted him?
He lost his moral compass and became a national liability!!
If he had excelled, he could have claimed the high moral ground for religion per se .
As it is gordon turned religion/moral compasses( remember damian mcbride?) into a condemnation of any decent religious belief .
That’s all quite sad Nell, but there may be some truth in what you say.
Billy Connolly is a cun’t
He may be but his bank balance is just so much bigger than yours. Bet you wished you went into Comedy.
Worshipping money all the time must be very tiring not to mention a conversation boon with all your ‘friends’, if you have any.
Who’s ‘worshiping money’? Idiot.
The protestors are triumphing the rise of fascism in the long run.
You could well be correct.
Ah pollytwaddle who wants to pretend she is a very engish woman but is in fact a very upperclass, out of touch, left wing twit!!
gordon is much more with the working class english than she is ( and merkel is closer to our working classes than him) !!!
Fuck off and write your own scripts.
Oh johncleese, I suggest you join gordon in fife.
He’s not much appreciated there. Neither will you be!!
He’s staying there quietly hoping to become the head of IMF.
Not going to happen!!
There’s a better chance of me becoming an astronaut within the next 12 months and travelling to mars to discover extraterrenial life for the first time ever!!
Come and see me and you’ll be an astronaut within the next 12 minutes if you sit on my rocket.
A few more Philip greens and we are all fucked. This revolting piece of shit claims all the rights and privileges of a UK citizen but doesn’t want to pay his share. He’s the fucking first up against the wall.
Hello Nick.
I wouldn’t have put it quite like that, but, in essence, I do so agree.
Move to North Korea – you’ll fit right in
Just how do you reach that ridiculous conclusion, you of the feeble mind.
I think he meant Cambodia
‘Cos we like you English slags innit?
I have a feeling you are confused about your gender, mr andrew marr, one of the north korean mindset.
Yeah, all get in line for the hand outs from what’s left of free enterprise.
Wouldn’t true equality means his share of the cost of the state be the same as anyone else?
Why should he be fined more because he is more successful?
To encourage him to work harder and be more successful. Obviously.
51% tax is the state’s way of telling you to work less hours.
‘Want all the priveleges but don’t want to pay their share’
Sounds awfully like labour’s students/benefit cheats/ union managers doesn’t it??
Pamela Stephenson is a BITCH.
No you ain’t, darlin. You is a narco-capitalist.
The trouble with Guido’s argument is that Green is no longer an entrepreneur but a vulture. Remember his trip to Iceland to profit from the country’s economic collapse.
As for Ayn Rand being a “great” novelist….Guido should stick to his areas of expertise.
I am a child of Brown, give me my ‘bennies’ now
I am a student .
Please explain to me why , he’s paying loads of tax and I’m not paying any, and I’m still not getting as much benefit from the state as I want!!
If you are a student, nell, I’m a first-time commenter :-O
lol -We open promptly at nine on Monday morning.
It must simply be a lack of intellect as you can’t seem to have a reasonable debate with these i-phone/ consumer whore types. The economy IS NOT the most important priority for a government to be managing. Wealth does NOT equal happiness, and spreading the wealth will help to alleviate poverty. So why would we collectively employ politicians to do anything other than to make our lives better, collectively.
So someone can avoid paying some tax, who cares, surely that can only be good. We should all stop paying tax and then our government will realise that we own them and that they work for us. We are not their slaves and we have the right to be free from oppression and control tactics that are being widely ignored!? Working your whole life to pay for your home is a carefully managed slavery control-trick. Keep us all working until we drop, working to make twats like Mr Green richer than his wildest dreams. We need to wise-up and take control people. We own them and a democracy has it’s people in power, not the tories…..remember?
Working your whole life to pay for your home is a carefully managed slavery control-trick
What is that all about? I had a chastening experience back in the late ’80′s being lectured by the parents of some friend of my girlfriend. When was I going to ‘settle down’, ‘get a mortgage’, ‘join society’ – these were middle-class Telegraph reading types.
‘Let me get this straight – you want me to mortgage myself to the hilt at the height of a property boom?’
Yes indeed. That’s what society expected of me and who, the fuck, did I think I was by failing to do what society wanted.
I was forced to set them straight.
As you say, I am not your fucking slave. We are not the Borg. I am not getting a fucking ridiculous loan just so that you get that warm glow knowing somebody is just as financially fucked and on the treadmill as you are. I am not going to be another number in your ‘safety in numbers’ ponzi scheme.
Shame, you missed out on making a few bob.
Shows you what being a fucking know all does for you
Bought in 1993 when the wheels finally came off.
Made a fucking mint. Tax free.
Rinse and repeat for 2007
Don’t you worry about me Mr Plum. I did alright.
Become a georgist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George
Hmmmm. I think not.
I’ll suck old men off for my tuition fees
7pm, King’s Cross. I’ll be wearing a red hat.
You are William Hague and I claim my £10.
Wear the fox hat.
Where can I sign up?
Another fucking student, FFS!! This site is full of them. Hiya, tat.
x
Don’t forget to pull the gold teeth out first
“WTF! Dirty poo.. They need to burned like rats.”
Wow. The intellects are out tonight.
Has X-Factor been cancelled?
Yeah, maybe baby. I heard, through my sources, the beaver that normally sits on Cowell’s bonce is stranded in Perthshire.
Just do what I did, the short non technical version being;
Moved all my money to an overseas account, got a shitty job as a barista, got fired from shitty job, went to the jobcentre, claimed I’d spent all my savings, signed onto the dole.
The people in the job centre are as thick as their clientele or simply don’t care, spin them a sob story while being pleasent and polite and well dressed and they are like putty in your hands.
The state can look after me for a few years while my money is gaining some interest.
Hardly worth troubling the fuckers for a few quid. Just live frugally off the interest. 6.5K each tax free and 20% on the rest.
Not worth making a thief of yourself over a few quid.
Works for us.
FFS. Don’t they, have grammer lessons, in hell? Poor fucking show.
So what’s with the red ribbon Nazis?
The public are not wearing them so why are all TV presenters?
Because they don’t have a mind of their own?
Cuz Simon said we had to.
Aids is known as the ‘Gift’ in the media and celebrity circles.
I’ll leave you to draw your own conclusions why.
So the luvvies are behind all this?
They’re behind anything they can get their hands on darling.
Can I lay a wreath on verruca day ?
I noticed at PMQs the other day that the Liebour benches were festooned with red ribbons – and apart from Call Me Dave’s little red pin, not a single Tory bothered.
I bet Sen Bummerskill was beside himself with pique.
You’re either in front of Guido, or you are up his behind…
I’m neither but I do find his thingy quite fascinatin.
Ok fair enough dissing Guido and Green but to say Ayn Rand is a shite author is abit fucking far!
The Fountainhead & Atlas Shrugged are great books.
They’re great books. They’d be even better if they were half as long. Waaaay too much ‘padding’.
And, if they were published today they’d be the runaway winners of the ‘Bad Sex’ award.
They’re very clumsy attempts to ram a narrative into what is basically a political rant and crude manifesto.
And she was nutty as a fruitcake.
Try ‘On Walden Pond’ by Thoreau instead – much better written, more erudite and by far the best argument for the individual against the state that exists in the English language.
Loving the tweet…
Glad to see our new #ukuncut fashion line launch today has been so successful. Stores have been mobbed.
Very odd that the Guardian newspaper which dodges UK taxes like the plague is running a campaign against UK companies that try to lessen their UK tax burden.
It’s not odd at all given that they’re hypocritical leftie bastard.
How can you pay taxes on a loss?
The Grauniad is a sounding board. The Telegraph is a swallow hole.
Both good sir are guttersniping piles of shite.
Speaking as an entrepreneur who started his own manufacturing company shortly after finishing A’levels, with money saved from his paper round and saturday job stacking shelves in a supermarket.
I know a thing or two about running a small private business.
To start and then successfully run your own company is not difficult. It is an impossible hiding to absolutely nothing unless the misguided fool is either extremely lucky or a plain old fashioned crook to a lesser or infinitely much greater extent.
Being in the right place at the right time, has more to do with success then hard work or talent, although having talent and the ability for hard work is a wholly essential starting place.
As in the rest of life, it is not what you know, it is WHO you know, all of these things coming together at the right time and place.
My advice, for anyone thinking of giving up the day job so as to start their own company.
DON’T just DON’T. Not if you value your sanity, secure income, marriage or general health. Even if you are successful no one will thank you, lend you their respect, and they certainly will not completely trust you however much money they make out of you.
I never had to make this choice because I was never given it in the first place. Any one who would have offered me a job at 18, would have to have been several more light years more crazy then I clearly was at the time.
There exists ONLY two reasons why anyone should ever end up working for themselves.
1. They don’t have any other choice.
2. They have a deep pathologically based desire never to work for anyone else under any circumstances.
Being a small business man is like becoming public enemy No1-2-3-and 4 all at the same time. The tax man wants to drive you insane, just because they are ONLY DOING THEIR JOB.
The sales-director at Barclays more dishonestly known as your bank manager, desperately wants to lend you infinite amounts of money when you don’t, or should not need it, and then take it all away again when you most clearly do.
Your accountants genuinely believe you are completely insane already, which of course you must be for ever trusting them with your company accounts and tax liabilities in the first place.
Women think you are some kind of ever giving gold mine, and get mighty pissed at you when you insist that even if you personally owned several gold mines, they will still be paying for the next round of drinks.
Your employees simply want to kill you, when they don’t also want to do so as painfully as possible, whether they spend all day earnestly telling you how great you are, or not.
Socialists, and other assorted mind controlled idiots think you are the devils representative on earth, which you may as well be for all any one will care.
Funny is it not, that the only workers that ever really own their own means of production are small private business men, yet they hate them all, more then they can politely express.
The middle and upper classes in general think you are a low-life crook, who they would not trust to deliver their take-away without stealing their door bell.
Other business men either want to take you over, steal your wife, or sell you their old Aston-Martin.
If you are lucky enough to survive, while god permitting you end up making and holding onto a few bob, you can be perfectly assured the establishment and their much beloved gangster inspired bank managers will inflate any remaining surplus into little more the price of a loaf of bread well before your body starts pushing up the daisies.
I repeat DON’T just DON’T unless you simply cannot stop yourself.
As for buying yourself into business.
In my industry we have this running joke.
Question: How do you run a small business?
Answer: You buy a big one, and wait a few years.
Sounds about right.
Don’t know how anybody makes a go of it outside of massively expensive government contracts.
Trouble is, though jgm2 – if you rely on goverment contracts for your income, then you are a secondary tax consumer and become part of the problem rather than the solution.
Think I’ll just keep living off my savings for a bit and not feeding the beast.
Can anyone give me one reason why every single god rotten shit for brains politician should not be shot in the head and be collectively dumped in a forest in Poland (or Northumberland) and covered in lime and left to rot and responsibility for the entire structure of government and administration from nuclear submarines to the traffic wardens be handed over to Tesco? I shop at three places now – ebay & Amazon on line and Tesco and none of these places fucks me sideways each time I come near it like the goddam horses ass mother-&*^%(ng government does.
I concur, Tesco and other retailers have proven they can run a tight ship, politicians not so much.
Time to throw out the deadwood.
Been saying the same thing for years re hospitals (would work for schools too). Why is that when the NHS builds a PFI hospital it costs a billion quid for, essentially, a big shed and a few machines that go ‘ping’ whereas Tesco build the same shed for about 10 million quid? And free parking too.
What’s that all about?
The political fuckers can’t control a private company so they won’t allow it.
Unless we tell them what is acceptable and cheaper in a more forceful manner.
I find it funny that apparently some people think they pay more in tax than Philip Green. The biggest con in taxation terms is the *percentage*. He probably pays more than 100x more in tax £££ than the regular Joe but nonetheless apparently he’s a “tax shirker”. And as he probably claims £0 back from the UK govt in net tax terms he’s probably generates 10000x more tax even with the available tax avoidance schemes.
Well the issue is, at least he does pay tax.
Why are these ed militwit student/anarchists who have never paid tax, and will never pay tax in their lives, and will spend their lives livng off benefits, moaning about a man who has paid more taxes into our system in the last year than the troughing lords took out of it!!
It’s inexplicable.
Who are ‘the looters’ ??
Are they militwit’s students and anarchists , who have never paid, and never will pay any taxes, but just fritter their lives away living off the state and looking for occasional thrills by throwing fire extinguishers off 8 storey buildings??!!
Or are they decent hardworking, working class, people like gravediggers, engineers, roadsweepers, dinner ladies, surveyors, windowcleaners, gardeners, bartenders, cooks, ad infinitum ………………………
Y’know the saltof the earth people who make the world turn every day, who are completely ignored by upper class labour because they think real people are beneath them!!
They are Ed’s “progressive” political activists not real workers.
I do wish you and others would not refer to these Marxists as Progressives – If the left is good at just one thing it is the changing of words to hide their true intent. Fabians are Marxists and it is their intent to ‘remould’ the world to their envisaged Marxist Utopia – that it will not work is lost on them, that big government allows evil men to rise to political power (Stalin, Mao, Hitler.etc) is to be whitewashed from history).
We are to be servants of their envisaged Marxist State Utopia. This is the goal of the Progressives.
They are not anarchists.
The people who call themselves anarchists today no nothing about true anarchy or support it.
They are like modern day Christians worshipping a false dogma created to appease the PC crowd.
If they truly believed in anarchy they would not fight against it at every turn.
They are merely poseurs in every sense of the word.
Ask the Bankers.
Laughably, they might still be considered ‘heroes’ by some Randians right now.
They did reduce Ireland ot a fucking husk so those anti-irish elements still in the Conservative Party no doubt love them.
But I doubt Mr Fawkes can still do so since he claims some affinity to the place.
Excuse me! Why would REAL workers want to talk to bankers or mp’s!!
Gravediiggers, engineers, surveyors, lollipop men, dinner ladies………..
Generally speaking who’s going to bother with those sort of people , especially since we have come to understand that gordon and buizzmilitwit are so uncaring about any person who is less then a Lord like the worthless prezza!
Could you get your tongue just a bit further up my ringpiece nell ?
Ahhhh… that’s better!! Well done little person and have this turnip as a reward.
Nell. Your list includes people that are employed in both sectors. I always fancied being a grave digger but the council said I was “over qualified”.
Still, chartered accountancy has it’s merits. I do stare out the window sometimes and fantasise about shifting earth.
And of course most of them are employed by contracted out services.
Quote of the Day
Guido Fawkes
“Monaco is of course famous for its 0% income tax.
“As a result, when Sir Philip Green – the 9th richest man in the UK with wealth estimated at £4.4bn in 2008 – in 2005 made the largest single dividend payout in UK corporate history to his wife of £1.2bn, he avoided paying a reported £285million in tax to the British public purse.”
every little helps
‘Surely the rich have suffered enough ?’
Johann Hari makes me laugh with his tweets about what 77% of the public want. I love when lefties selectively cite the views of the general public, on issues like hunting and taxes on bankers, as if they believed politicians should do what the masses want. Then the topic shifts to criminal sentencing or immigration levels or membership of the EU… and suddenly the public become the mob to which we must not pander!
We haven’t even started fucking with you yet.
Ooooh no!
Johann Haris’ tiny cock makes me laugh.
Actually, we don’t give a shit. We’re too busy working to care about this trivial stuff.
Nanny state leftism at it’s best.
We are ignored and things are done for us with consultation because we are too stupid until they need people to hide behind or justify their existence with.
without consultation even, need to put my reading glasses on obviously.
Dave will be forced to send round Fat Ken to give you community service if you don’t cheer up and improve the happiness index.
What you do not say is that Phillip Green employs dozens of tax accountants to avoid tax liabilities. Any middle class person pays a much greater percentage of their wealth to the state each month than Green does. While he has generated wealth for others of course, he has generated huge wealth for himself. He has also generated lots of employment – but how much of it was minimum wage? Has he really added much to our economy? Has he not just made money by going and buying abroad what was previously being made here?
The problem with those who are allowed to avoid tax is that it leads to a distortion of democracy with people like Green able to influence government policies in their favour and against the interest of the other 60 million who live here.
Taxes are for the little people and our grovelling minions.
I thought the minimum wage is a good thing?
All you leftwingers seem to resort to selling it in that light when the chips are down.
What do you want glorified till ringers and coat hanger stackers to get paid? 60k a year with pension options?
Nationalise Top Shop and in 20 years they’ll be on 60K a year and going on strike proclaiming that they’re ‘key-workers’ because if they don’t turn up to work then we’ll have to go naked and freeze to death.
Just as the nurses are politically presented as the only thing that is stopping us all dropping dead overnight. These Labour types must be awfully fucking ill. I only went to hospital to get born. As did my kids.
To listen to Labour you swear we were all in an out of the fucking place every day and were only a bed-pan, a fluffed-up cushion or a bed-bath away from breathing our last.
And I’m confident we’d have struggled through somehow if there had been no NHS hospital to go to either.
How very wrong you are Russell.
It seems you’ve never run a business.
lets start with rates. Every single one of Arcadia’s stores pays rates which are about the same as rents. The rates go to the council, the rents to the Landlords, normally a pension fund. The average Top Shop must be close on 6,000 sq ft, so we could estimate about £100k rent and £100k rates.
Thats 2,500 UK outlets paying 100k in tax. Thats £250 million for public servants to put into their pensions. This is payable regardless of whether the store makes a penny of profit.
About 30,000 jobs are created in Arcadia, not including all the supply side jobs from the delivery chain, courier companies, advertising contracts, IT works, catering and so on. every employee will pay NI at 11% of their wage. {after the first £60 ish quid} Lets assume a measly £5k / employee. Its way more than that but keep it simple. £5k @ 10% = £500 / employee x30,000 = £15 million quid in NI tax alone.
The Vat will cost the company the difference between the cost price in + vat and the sale price out + vat. It works out, after margin and so on, and at about 7% of sale price. I would guess a £25 average price tag and about a £5 million average turn over / store. Maybe less..maybe well say £2million/ store which would have Primark pissing all over them, but its simple maths.
2,500 stores x 2mil T/O = £5 000, 000, 000
7%, as Vat is a tax on turnover and not a tax on profit + £350,000,000 million.
Just on these few operating taxes, not including all the VAT paid on al the fuel the trucks use, all the vat on the rents, the vat on the energy costs, corporation tax, waste disposal taxes,import duty, banking charges or the massive amount of income tax at a minimum of 25% + another 9% N.I. each, paid by the 30,000 Arcadia workers who might otherwise be sitting on the dole or any of a multitude of other costs and taxes.
Mr Green’s empire, on these few examples pays the equivalent of
- The entire cost of the Library service, including all its staff
- The entire cost of the giro payments system
- the entire cost of maintaining the post office network
and the entire cost of the BBC including all its staff and programs.
What a tax dodging scroat that man is . Students should kick his windows in!
Oh, BTW …Student discount is still applicable to most of Arcadia group.
Oooh. Numbers.
These students don’t ‘do’ numbers.
even with all their hi tec kit
i would still back british troops against americans
they may have numbers but ours have brains
only a fucking yank would throw a grenade into a room with a hostage in it
total fuckwits
You can sell shit to the sheeple if you wrap it in a pretty bow. Simples.
Have Tinnies altered their aluminium content?
Have now thrown half a dozen of them on the log fire tonight and they are no longer no more. Never happened before
Burning Sychamore and Beech but only 24 months since cut.
Ayn Rand? You saddo.
And the rest of you? What wannabe billionaire licklespittle halfwits!
YOU WILL NEVER BE THAT RICH! NO ONE IS THAT RICH! LESS THAN .00005% EVER GET THAT RICH!
We have a dream.
keep sucking state cock, moron
Ayn Rand? You saddo.
And the rest of you? What wannabe billionaire licklespittle halfwits!
YOU WILL NEVER BE THAT RICH! NO ONE IS THAT RICH! LESS THAN .0000005% EVER GET THAT RICH!
Meanwhile, your children will be saddled with debts that only biblical legends could begin to describe.
Sad to see “I’m a celebrity get me out of here” end. Plenty of anus & exotic penis eating throughout.
I can piss out of the window of my Monoco tax haven and trickle down wealth on you Bris.
The piggies have a invented new way of troughing
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335753/MPs-expenses-Politicians-cash-THIRD-HOME-ploy.html
So by your logic if he paid zero corporation tax that’s ok, as he’s created some jobs?
The likes of Philip Green don’t give a sh!t about anybody other than Philip Green. Don’t fool yourself with this romanticised view of the poor working class kid who dragged himself up.
This is about greed, nothing more, nothing less. It’s about someone being rich enough to avoid paying what the ‘little people’ have to without recourse.
Corporate greed is not a good thing. I’m surprise an Irishman would think any different given the clusterf*ck your country has become…
So, lets say you are in Philip Green’s shoes. You would voluntarily pay more tax than you were legally required to then?
I don’t give a shit if he gives a shit about anyone else — he’s not obliged to this side of totalitarian hell
Handycock’s assistant Katia Zatuliveter is to be deported after being held in custody for being a spy. Theresa May approved a deportation order after being briefed by police on Katia’s espionage activities!
http://gazette-news.co.uk/uk_national_news/8720640.MP_denies_his_assistant_is_a_spy/
“[Mike Hancock] denied his Russian assistant was a spy, amid reports that she is facing deportation from the UK after security services arrested her on suspicion of espionage.”
Is being an MP’s assistant not a job that a British person could do then, or are there no prospective British assistants with sufficiently large tits available?
She’s probably a substitute for his normal diet of mentally defective pussy.
Obviously no British woman would want to work for the old lech.
I would have thought that anyone remotely involved or employed by an MP with access to Parliament should have been security vetted not to mention who the heck granted a work VISA and why ??? Since last time I checked Russia is outside the EU and there are plenty of British born citizens who could do the job or even EU ones.
They are at it again!
Claiming for second homes was so last parliament, now every respectable trougher claims for a third home.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335753/MPs-expenses-Politicians-cash-THIRD-HOME-ploy.html
Looks like the Spanish know how to treat strikers… get the Guardia Civil to force them back to work!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/8181158/Spanish-air-traffic-controllers-marched-back-to-work-as-airports-reopen.html
I lament the fact that most people (especially the protestors and the BBC) don’t know the difference between tax avoidance, and tax evasion. Even BBC “economic” experts don’t understand the difference (or pretend not to).
Evasion: Using illegal means to avoid paying tax that is supposed to be paid, or simply refusing to pay said tax when you are legally required to do so. (eg cooking the books, ie basic fraud).
Avoidance: Using legal means to avoid paying more tax than the state(s) expect/want you to pay according to the state(s) own laws.
Tax Avoidance is not only legal, it’s also expected, and actually encouraged because if you don’t use tax avoidance then you’re paying more tax than the state(s) expects/wants you to do, ie you’re basically taking your hard-earned post-taxed money out of your pocket, and saying to the state:
“I know you don’t want this or expect it, but here, have some more money; it’ll leave me with fuck-all for all my hard-work but I love the government so much that I’d like to starve so it can pay its way”
Green, and anyone else who pays an accountant, uses tax avoidance, and it’s a perfectly legal, normal, standard practice around the world, because you’re basically just following the law and doing what the respective states expect you to do. If they didn’t expect you to do it then they’d change their laws. If the state doesn’t change their laws when they want/need to then they deserve to lose every penny of tax.
Someone has to take the blame for the mess which Labour created…..
1) Individuals/businesses pay taxes (or equivalent fees) just about everywhere on Earth. Even in places with no state whatsoever wealth owners/creators are going to have to pay to defend themselves/their businesses/their other assets. In other places ‘with no (direct) taxes’ individuals have to pay tax on consumption/property occupied.
2) If I set up a business producing goods in, say, Hong Kong, then why SHOULD I pay additional taxes to say the UK merely because some of my goods are sold there? Whoever sells my goods in the UK will pay tax to HMRC based on their profit from sales.
3) Similarly, why should I have to produce my goods that are sold in the UK locally? Merely to feed the tax hunger of HMRC & pay relatively higher wages/taxes? To participate in a ‘level playing field’, where every business has to trade waist-deep in over-regulation & over-taxation? The principle of ‘self reliance’, where individual states’ economies are intentionally isolated from world trade has not worked out well on any occasion that it’s been tried in the past that I can think of in the past century at least.
As far as Philip Green is concerned, He’s CEO of a group of companies that pay business taxes in the UK, collect indirect taxes on behalf of HMRC, provides employment in the UK. I don’t know where he’s domiciled, but if he doesn’t live in the UK, why on principle should he be taxed on his world-wide income here? On that Basis Bill Gates’ wealth should be expropriated by HMG because products that his company produces are sold/used a lot in the UK.
Finally, some commenters deride Green’s companies’ products & prices. I’ve got no idea whether their claims are true – but it’s irrelevant since millions of people choose to buy them, and unlike in say 1979, anyone with a computer and a paypal account can personally buy/import anything legal from anywhere in the world that will sell it to them.
I need your help Guido to sue the Metropolitan Police for wrongful arrest.
Please email me asap
If only we had one hundred more like you…
I keep getting emails that say, “Get A Bigger Penis”
Samantha really needs to keep his opinions to herself.
i would just like to confirm that
Sam Cams flue is now clear from all whisteria !
Smash the capitolist’s
take all their money and give it to the students
students are the future not people like Phillip Green
who just have loads of money
while us poor students dont have any
on my measley grant i can only spend six nights a week in the student union bar
it’s just not right
Same with demonising ALL the bankers…not ALL banks took the Government’s bail out and the ones that didn’t i.e. the profitable ones such as Standard Chartered and HSBC will simply re-locate their Head Offices outside of the UK if the Coalition listens to those who want to put even more stringent taxes on Banks and thereby deprive the UK Treasury of taxes they are getting at present. Other countries realise that especially in the far east and will welcome such re-locations with open arms.
MISSION STATEMENT OF GUIDO FAWKES
We are a group of Anarchists and Libertarian Communists who support and are actively involved with the anti-cuts movement. We support class struggle and the use of anarchist tactics to fight the cuts.
Past this our long term goal remain the total destruction of all hierarchies and elements of the state and capitalism.
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Favorite Quotations
“Crowned heads, wealth and privilege may well tremble should ever again the black and red unite.” — Otto von Bismarck
“Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners.” – Edward Abbey
“Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice, and Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality” – Mikhail Bakunin
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“To-day is the parent of to-morrow. The present casts its shadow far into the future. That is the law of life, individual and social. Revolution that divests itself of ethical values thereby lays the foundation of injustice, deceit, and oppression for the future society. The means used to prepare the future become its cornerstone.” – Emma Goldman
“ANARCHISM (from the Gr. ἅυ, and άρχη, contrary to authority), the name given to a principle or theory of life and conduct under which society is conceived without government — harmony in such a society being obtained, not by submission to law, or by obedience to any authority, but by free agreements concluded between the various groups, territorial and professional, freely constituted for the sake of production and consumption, as also for the satisfaction of the infinite variety of needs and aspirations of a civilized being.” – Peter Kropotkin (Encylopedia Britannica, 1910 ed.)See More
Merry fucking Christmas my English friends.
And a hearty thank you from the English taxpayers who detest 11+ overpaid idiots kicking a ball around in an English football strip pretending they are so good they can play football but really they have good managing agents, in stadiums that taxpayer and the Lotto or Looto player have paid for but have been given away for pennies,aka that big plastic tent for a start.
Boris has the last laugh……
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335787/World-Cup-2018-Boris-kicks-FIFA-chiefs-Dorchester-2012-Olympics.html
The coalition has come up with a plan to make sure that the poorer students
dont have to pay the fee’s
helmets on boys i see the roof is about to cave in !
Not going to help the infamous “Squeezed Middle” though is it and they are the one’s protesting about having to pay more AND they are the ones who normally vote LibDem not the “poorer” students who normally vote Labour.
The LibDems are well and truly fucked whatever they do and are finished as a political party come the 2015 Elections.It really couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people who are now learning the hard way that if you make wild promises to win votes you don’t actually have a huge publicity campaign highlighting your Leader and MPs signing a pledge on camera
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335785/Scrap-tuition-vote-rebel-MPs-urge-Clegg-row-fees-deepens.html
Oh Dear !
A russian spy caught working for a lib-dem mp !
Katia Zatuliveter worked for mp Mike Hancock
who is Mp for Portsmouth
where our navy is based
she actually lives in russia according to the papers (How did she get into the country )
even better how did she get a job in the HoC ?
Mike Hancock is also said to have “Interests” in Eastern Europe and Russia
mmmmmmm !
Her visa and work permit must have been sponsored by somebody(?)There needs now to be a thorough investigation regarding her application and the reasons it was granted given the role she was being employed in
GF, best work of yours that I’ve seen.
Now, let’s get that wet c|_|nt Cam out of power.
Cam someone please organise the Tory right FFS!
Thank goodness, someone else who’s made it past page 35,697 of Atlas Shrugged!
Should Sir Philip withdraw his labour until they withdraw their vultures?
Either Phillip Green pays his way or he fucks off.
As the public gets to learn more about the extent of corporate tax evasion under new Labour, we will see a lot more protests like yesterdays.
More power to the protestors.
Whatalot of weary willies writing in with their world changing opinions. What’ll they change? Right …kall!!! If 1 out of 1000 writers had the chance to go the way of Mr Green they would soon be singing to a different tune.
We were all young once, I studied at the Street savvy University of life. I got my degrees alright, not on paper, but inside my gut.
“The looters are killing this country”
Then fuck off to one that treats most of its people the way you prefer. Zimbabwe perhaps.
Zimbabwe is run by looters.