September 13th, 2010

AV Means Labour’s Self-Perceived Lesser Miliband Could Win

YouGov’s data is now out from the Sunday Times Labour leadership poll which forecasts Ed Miliband winning. The Labour party’s use of AV shows how perverse that electoral system can be.

  • 44% think David Miliband “would be most effective, as leader of the opposition, at holding the present government to account”, versus 21% for his brother Ed.
  • 55% think David “Is most likely to lead Labour to victory at the next General Election”, only 25% think Ed would do so.
  • 45% think David “Would make the best Prime Minister” versus 28% for Ed.

Yet YouGov calculate Ed will just shade it on second preferences. Are they mad? Labour supporters think David Miliband is twice the leader his younger brother will be, yet they are going to choose the weaker candidate on second preferences. As Forrest Gump might say – “Stupid is as stupid does”…


  1. 1
    Southern Softy says:

    AV is all very well if you like that sort of thing, for candidates from the SAME party. Not at all good for candidates of DIFFERENT parties.


  2. 2
    It doesn't add up... says:

    and stupid will do it


  3. 3
    Eileen Critchley says:

    But this is the lot who gave us Gordon Brown!

    Cheers lads!


    • 17
      Anonymous says:

      What about the lot that gave Dave and his friend. Every system has its ups and down. It might be better to go for US type of system. Even if you vote for an idiot there is senate and congress to protect.

      The biggest problem we face is the length of the parliament and number of MPs, if we elections every two years and have around 2,000 MPs (who are paid around £25,000 a year), the government will become accountable to people.


      • 43
        AC1 says:

        Why not let PROSPECTIVE MPs choose the salary they will be paid if elected (putting the salary on the Voting slip)?


        • 61
          Tessa Tickles says:

          Good idea, as would biennial elections. The Lords were supposed to be a buffer against bad government but proved to be fuck-all use with Blair around. There needs to be a method of pulling the plug on a shitty government (so Dave’s fuckwitted idea of 5 year fixed terms is a total non-starter).

          And they should get rid of party Whips, too. Why vote for you local MP if someone else is going to order him how to vote on new laws?


        • 77
          smoggie says:

          That’s like a monkey auction. Pay peanuts….

          Mind you, have you ever met a dishonest monkey?


      • 213
        Must get a pseudonym one day says:

        Why not pay MPs £1 per year for every person who voted in the last election in that constitiuency ?

        That would encourage MPs to accept larger constituencies (thus far fewer MPs) and would make them encourage more folk to turn out and vote (for anyone) because their pay and pension would depend on it.

        The average constituency is about 65,000 – which would be about what they are paid now (but only if they get a 100% turnout).

        Only problem I can see would be in Bradfordistan, where the routine Postal Vote fraud would guarantee a 125% turnout every time !


  4. 4
    db says:

    If it happens, will provide an apt example for the no to AV campaign in the general election.


    • 58
      Bomb's not jobs says:

      What so many advocates of AV dont tell you is that there is no requirement to cast second and third preferences and so on. It is only an option to be used if you wish to!! Even under AV a party could request its supporters not to cast any votes other than first preference.


      • 121
        Groups says:

        facebook will decide the next election.


        • 376
          Beast of Belgium says:

          Equivalent to restoring the Property Qualification, even allowing for the last government’s plan to ‘give laptops to the socially disadvantaged'; of whom most will either not have applied for the relevant forms, or not bothered to fill them in (expecting said laptop to flutter down from the heavens in response to their entitlement).


  5. 5
    Tessa Tickles says:

    “55% think David “Is most likely to lead Labour to victory at the next General Election”, only 25% think Ed would do so.”

    So 20 percent think someone else will lead Labour to victory? Diane, perhaps? That is scary.

    Is there a figure for how many (realistic) Labour supports think their party won’t win the next election, or the one after that?


    • 81
      andy burnham says:

      yes, simple

      120% labour voters think labour will win the next election

      125% labour voters think labour will win after that too


      • 123
        Tessa Tickles says:

        From comments I’ve read on this site, more than 100% of Labour supporters think their party won the last election.


  6. 6
    pp says:

    To be eligible to vote you have to have declared yourself a complete idiot – by joining the labour party in the first place!


  7. 7

    Without swearing I pointed this out months ago to Labourlist – they deleted my comment as trolling.

    ….. oh well their loss.


    • 45
      Dick the Prick says:

      The humanity, Billy, the sheer humanity.

      There’s an Oirish constituency (soz, no linky link) that a dude who came 8th in first preference voted err…won it. Now I like my comedy but that’s just ridiculous.


  8. 9
    Gordon Brown says:

    I want to be Labour leader again.


  9. 10
    concrete pump (your new god) says:

    Am i the only person to find the whole AV thing a bit confusing, or am i just thick?


    • 20
      pp says:

      What don’t you understand?

      1) Number acceptible candidates in order of preference.

      2) All votes are counted, losing candidate drops out, votes recounted (anyone who voted for a loser had their next preference counted instead)… repeat till one candidate left — they are the winner.

      (if during the count/recount any candidate gets >50% you can stop and declare them the winner immediately, its impossible for them to be overtaken!)


    • 25
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Dear concrete pump (the latest whore of babylon).
      Look at it this way. Second Preference= even better than postal voting for “nudging” an election.


    • 68
      Fat-fuck Eric Pickles says:

      I love concrete. I want to cover England wi’it, by ‘eck! The more beautiful the bit of England, the deeper the concrete should be! Ah, loovly!


    • 104
      Sir William Waad says:

      Can you count to five?


  10. 12
    Comment says:

    Thatcher said the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money. Wrong. The problem is that it’s a steaming pile of shit peddled by Hunts like Bob Crow.


    • 28
      Anonymous says:

      The problem with full blown capitalism is a handful control 95% of the wealth and the others have 5%. Boris Yeltsin’s Russia is a good example. Seems people like you want this.


      • 39

        The problem is always the 5% anon, regardless of the system anon.

        “the poor with always be with us”, as Diego Maradona used to say.


      • 49
        A Handful says:

        95% of the people only have the collective intellect to deal with 5% of the wealth. If you don’t like it, fuck off.


        • 54
          Anonymous says:

          A Handful, I am sure you are part of the 95%, probably part of the bottom 5% stupid enough to believe we cannot change it.


          • A Handful says:

            Show me a recorded instance in the history of man when 5% didn’t end up with control 95% of the overall wealth. Even the French Revolution ended up that way. The only possible candidates are undiscovered tribes, aborigines, etc and once the modern world gets to them they end up the same.

            So I don’t think it’ll ever change. And from my vantage point, I wouldn’t want it to change.


          • Chris Rock (PBUH) said that if the asked-for US slave reparations of $1tn (or whatever) were handed over to the brothers by whitey, whitey would have the filthy lucre back within a year. And so it ever was.


          • Anonymous says:

            Can you please give us an example of a country where socialism has worked. Thank You.


          • Tony Blair says:

            this really is simple

            most of the cash is mine anyway


          • smoggie says:

            There is no proof that socialism does not work in the People’s Democratic Paradise of North Korea. Everybody happy, happy, happy …or else they are flattened with steamroller.


          • Tessa Tickles says:

            “Can you please give us an example of a country where socialism has worked. Thank You.”

            Oh, simples!

            Socialism lifts people out of poverty. At that point, there is no further need for a socialist government.

            Count the number of countries with socialist economies 50 years ago: Russia, East Germany, Poland, Latvia, Lithuania, China, Cuba, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Georgia, Albania, Belarus, North Korea etc etc.

            Now, count how many there are today: Cuba and North Korea.

            So there you are, Socialism works. Except in North Korea. Give it a year or two.


          • Korean says:

            and Smoggie

            then flaty happy happy


          • please don't say simples says:

            please don’t say simples

            it makes you sound like a c/unt


      • 75
        smoggie says:

        The soviet union was another good example of this. It was an oligarchy and its successor, Russia, remains so but morphing into fascism from socialism as it always does.

        And if you can indicate where we can find some “full blown capitalism” please let us know. I was sure such a thing did not exist outside of the LSE or the student union bar.


        • 96
          Sung Sum-Li, written without any assistance or monitoring says:

          I am most happy with conditons in North Korea. We all love our leader. He is a hero and icon to all the people. Did I say we love our leader? We love him. We love conditions and life here. We have freedom. Did I say we love our leader? We love him.


          • Kim Il Sing says:

            Dey ask me why our glorious football team no win games at the World Cup. They say our goalkeeper was beaten “only seven times”. They are WRONG!

            He was beaten many, MANY time.

            He learn his lesson good.


          • Song Sung Blu says:

            very good boy. Collect your extra egg cupful of rice any time after 5pm on Saturday.


  11. 13
    Kevin Keegan says:

    I feel sorry for Alistair Campbell. He saw Darren Ferguson’s team throw away a 3 – 1 lead to lose 4 – 3 at Turf Moor and with a little bit of luck and better finishing he cold have seen the same thing at Goodison.


    • 158
      Tessa Tickles says:

      Ah, Kevin! Still parking your Range Rover in that obscure, dark, carpark at the top of Reigate Hill?


      • 263
        Kevin Keegan says:

        Look as I’ve already explained it was all a terrible misunderstanding. I was travelling between Heathrow and Gatwick when I became very fatigued and stopped in a quiet layby for a rest. How the hell was I to know it was a notorious cruising venue. What was I to do when a handsome guy got into the car? I’m sure you would have done the same thing.


  12. 14
    White Van Man's latest headlines......... says:

    Hey hey, here we fucking go!

    How apt the BBC workers are the first to strike, there out on Oct 5-6 and Oct 19-20.


    • 21
      concrete pump (your new god) says:

      You get the rotten fruit and i’ll fuel up the Bedford Rascal.


    • 31

      Will the AlJaBeeb be be missed,not in our house,do we get a refund if radio and tv go off,and I do hope the strikers are not paid for the time they strike.


      • 117
        John Noakes says:

        Make your own refund by cutting up your licence fee, and avoiding the enforcement officer – or refusing to let him enter – until he gives up because its costing too much to come to your house.

        Now over to Valerie with a recipe for Pum’kin Pie.


    • 35
      nell says:

      Nobody notices whether they’re working or a strike. So let them get on with it.

      Just so long as we’re not paying them for not working.


      • 38
        nell says:

        In fact if we’re not paying them for not working it would be as well for them to go on strike full-time and save us loads of money.

        At the same time the beeb could place itself behind a paywall , that way it’ll go into terminal decline like the times.


      • 99
        Susie says:

        Look at the dates… 5-6th Conservative Party conference, 19-20th spending revue.

        So much for public service broadcasting and balanced unbiased reporting, as if we didn’t already know.


        • 122
          nell says:

          Actually that’s good then. They won’t be there to give their biased leftwing point of view will they?!


        • 445
          BBC - AAAARRRRGGGGHHH says:

          It is important to understand that there is no connection at all with the dates – purely random you understand. It also saves us from having to send staff to the wicked Tory conference where they will most probably be murdered (in between the ritual baby scarifices) and pegged out on the beach by the evil Tories to be eaten by seagulls. There will be an in depth interview about this by a number of Labour figures to support our stance in due course


    • 329
      Strike away see if I care says:

      Oh Fuck, what in this world of a multitude of TV Stations and broadcasters, coupled with the vast resources available to us via the t’internet, are we going to do when the BBC goes on strike !!!!


      • 469
        Potkettle says:

        Yeah its a bit like the miners going on strike right after Maggie had stockpiled more than a year of coal at the power stations.

        Unions pfft, it was ever thus


  13. 15
    zen says:

    Yes, it is possible that Ed may win this.


  14. 16
    GrumpyBearz says:

    Does it really matter who the tosspots in the Labour Party choose for their proxy ‘Dear Leader’?

    Whoever wins is going to be in hock to the Trade Union Barons and elected through a system that allows some Labour Party ‘voters’ to have as many as 7 votes through affiliation and other membership “rights”!

    And the really “stupid is as stupid does” is that a whole heap of funding of the Labour Party comes from the Trade Unions which in turn receive massive cash subsidies from the UK Government … thus you have the idiotic situation that a Conservative dominated Government is stupidly funding the Labour Party.

    That really is “stupid is as stupid does!”


  15. 19
    albacore says:

    If they decided by examining (halal, natch) goat entrails, which Miliband to enthrone Queen of the May, who gives a rat’s apart from in-crowd navel-gazers like Fawkes.


  16. 22
    Neil Darby says:

    If 55% vote with their first preference for D Miliband on the first round then he will win it outright. If less than 50% do so then the majority don’t want him as leader – at least as their first preference.

    AV will give Labour the candidate which is most acceptable to them – if AV is used in Westminster then it will give the outcome most acceptable to the electorate. 65% voted against Labour in 2005 yet we were lumped with Labour (and no small majority either) for 5 years – you cannot honestly tell me that makes more sense as a system?


    • 44
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      About about this scenario. A majority of the voluntary party (the voters) want candidate A. the majority of unions (block votes) + PLP (weighted college vote) want candidate B Many people voting for candidate A would be happy with Candidate B as second preference. Many of the others don’t and vote for a no-hoper. Yes, I know. but I mean in the context of the election.
      The implications are quite clear, and some mathematical genius can come up with an example to demonstate that the result under AV is open to question.


    • 65
      13eastie says:


      That’s because Labour rigged a system further that was already rigged in it’s favour.

      Boundaries have been drawn and re-drawn so that the Tories need a much greater share of the popular vote than does Labour.

      The Labour voting Scotch and Welsh are still over-represented.

      Don’t even start on the postal voting system.

      If Labour end up with a leftist “winner” who failed to secure even a quarter of the first-choice votes, then I will be very happy to see the Bliar/McRuin schism continue to propagate while Bob Crow’s lackeys keep fresh in Britons’ minds what socialists are really all about.


  17. 23
    Albi Here says:

    Tweedle dum and tweedle dee, take your pick,both tainted with new Liebour,both in it for themselves,both from the bottom of the barrel,if either win they will find that they will be old men before new new new Liebour get back in.


  18. 24
    Unelected Labour Leaders rule ok says:

    Another Genuinely unelected Labour leader. Why ruin the habit of what feels like a lifetime?


    • 175
      Tessa Tickles says:

      Do you realise the last genuine Labour leader who was elected Prime Minister was James Callaghan, way way back in 1976?

      Talk about extinct.


      • 222
        Must get a pseudonym one day says:

        Sorry Tessa, Callaghan took over from Wilson in 1976, lost the election in 1979, so was never elected Prime Minister by the UK electorate.

        Just like Brown in 2007 and Douglas-Home in 1963.

        I’m about to get a life…….


  19. 30
    To much information says:

    Surely this is a GOOD thing – who want Labour to have an effective Leader – (pity they can’t bring Gordon back)


  20. 32
    nell says:

    Quite right Grumpy Old Man. miligeek or miligump. Doesn’t matter which one makes leader, it’s all part of the decline and fall of the labour party.

    Neither one of them will make PM.


  21. 34
    NBeale says:

    Cue another 10 years of fratricidal strife while Labour becomes increasingly irrelevant. Excellent.


  22. 37
    Why says:

    Can someone please explain why western converts to Jizzlam change their names to an a-rab-ic one? If the concept of a religion is that it’s meant to be universal, why the fixation with localizing the identity to one area of the world? You don’t see other converts do a similar thing. Sammy Davis Jr didn’t change his name to Sammy Goldberg. Asian christians don’t change from Sunil Gupta to John Smith. But you get Sharon Taylor’s become Rabina al-Hussein etc. Fucking stupid and obnoxious.


  23. 48
    Tory says:

    I don’t remember voting for the libs to change the way I vote


  24. 50
    daveyone1 says:

    Then again ( and I still think Diane Abbott would have been most fun!)


  25. 51
    T*ory,fucking modding t*ory on a politics site! says:

    I don’t remember voting for the libs to change the way I vote


  26. 56
    Anonymous says:

    Gump was a nice guy and a winner. Bananaman man is a geek with a personality bypass.


  27. 62
    Director of Homeland Insecurity says:

    OT, but any ideas what a P*** could be, by the standard of amusing comment we get on here, I cant think of anything suitably abusive, four letters starting with the letter P.

    Politicians see to be getting less and less tolerant of the people who put them where they are.

    I guess he was lucky not to be extradited and be facing ‘old sparky’


  28. 67
    angelnstar says:

    David is a Cyborg and Ed is just the doofus in a smart guy sandwich.


    At last! Boris slips up and I flagellate his policy!


  29. 69
    John McCrirrick says:

    Get your money on Ed Miliband, Guido before he goes to evens with the bookies.
    There will plenty of “smart money” going on Miliband Minor this evening from the “shrewdies”


  30. 71
    smoggie says:

    They will choose the lesser of two weevils.


  31. 72
    Tom Watson is a fat stupid cunt says:

    I’ve been racking my brains trying to remember who the Milibros remind me of. And I finally worked it out.

    A pair of fucking stupid Labour c’unts.


  32. 74
    Tom Watson is a fat stupid cunt says:

    King wants to be London Mayor. And she can’t even bring herself to acknowledge the utter devastation Brown caused. What a c-unt.

    I love Portillo’s reaction when she says Labour’s policy was to invest in jobs and the economy.


  33. 79
    Mr Plum says:

    If those two knocked on your door you’d think Halloween night had arrive early. If Dave had white hair he could double for the pope


    • 113
      Roger Irrelevant says:

      And if the other one had a pumkin for a head into which were carved eyes a nose and teeth, it could only mean one thing: a delicious seasonal pie for tea – ta very much Mother. (see Ceefax for recipe)


  34. 83
    pp says:

    If your post is right…

    AV is just showing that while more people think David is ‘best’, the rest of the people are *damn sure* that he isn’t.

    And while fewer think Ed is ‘best’, most people still think he is better than David.


  35. 91
    Fraser Nelson says:

    A message to you Guido from Lord Ashcroft



  36. 93
    David cameron says:

    The Danish news paper editor who enraged muslims by printing a cartoon of mohammed has apologised and has said it was never his intention to upset the muslim people.

    His new book “Allah is a Hunt” goes on sale tomorrow


  37. 94
    Zed says:

    The big story this evening is the trade unions uniting in a threat of integrated and coordinated strikes to inflict maximum damage upon the public (or “threatened communities” as their terminology spin terms it).

    They are simply smarting from the defeat of their Labour Party puppet and have no agenda apart from inflicting maximum harm upon the Coalition and the wider public for their own selfish ends.

    As the private sector has taken the brunt over the past few years as the taxpayer has paid over the odds for nothing more than average services, it is now incumbant upon the Unions and the Public Sector to play fair and accept their part of any cuts that most of the rest of society has already accepted as inevitable and for the good of all (ie the UK nation).

    Should they be incapable or unwilling to accept the hand of partnership from our democratically elected Government then I believe it will be in the interests of the nation that our government ruins these unions without a second thought.

    That will be a tragedy for the working classes especially but they now have the present option of rejecting these unions who have no place and no mandate within our modern society.

    Will these unions find that they are rejected by 99% of the nation as the big society sees large numbers of voluntary workers (myself included) who will take over essential public service duties in order to protect the “threatened communities” from the ravages of these dinosaurs ???


  38. 95
    Bush is a murdering cunt says:

    Oops. No more trips to land. I thought the Americans were up for free speech. Did they not put in that thingy wingy, the constitution.


  39. 100
    Ewanme says:

    LOL !!!

    My failin eyesight give me the best Ewa laugh since last time , HONEYBUN x .

    “….. blah blah Labour supporters think David Miliband is twice the leader his younger brother will be, yet they are going to choose the weaker candidate on second preferences.”

    I , honest , read it as “…….wanker candidate ……..” , darlin xxxx . Kiss .

    Who cares , FFS ????

    You’re all wankers . KISS KISS xxxxx .

    E x .


  40. 101
    Sir William Waad says:

    They both look like portraits by Francis Bacon:


  41. 105
    David Cameron says:

    I woke up bald this morning, obviousley Samantha misunderstood when i said she should shave her twat.


  42. 107
    What the fuck? says:

    It really sickens me that all this creature has got is a fucking suspended sentence.

    “Woman obsessed with computer game left children to eat cold baked beans

    A mother who became so obsessed with a computer game that she left her children to eat cold baked beans from the tin has been given a suspended jail sentence and banned from using computers.

    The woman also allowed her German Shepherd and lurcher dogs to starve to death and left them rotting in the dining room for two months as she played Small World on the internet almost non-stop.

    After a neighbour peered through the letterbox and saw the appalling conditions, the NSPCC were told and police officers entered the home and saw the decay and filth.

    The 33-year-old widow, who cannot be identified, admitted three charges of child cruelty and two of animal neglect.”


    • 126
      Labour's legacy says:

      This is the detritis left over from 13 years of labour. Scumland UK.


      • 132
        The filth says:

        The bully cop in Melksham just walked from from jail after 5 days only. Apparently he has appealed so he gets out. More loony rules carried over from Labour


      • 135
        What the fuck? says:

        Channel 4 will offer her a reality show.


      • 143
        Action says:

        Oh there’s more. I just read this.

        “A couple have been jailed for two years each after being found guilty of subjecting two young boys to appalling abuse.

        Kristina Davies, 20, and Ricky Winter, 23, both of Canterbury Road, Margate, Kent, had previously denied eight counts of child neglect but were found guilty following a trial at Canterbury Crown Court last month, a spokeswoman for Kent Police said.

        A paediatrician who treated the children told jurors it was the worst case he had ever encountered in 30 years of practice.
        The injuries to the boys, who were both under the age of four and cannot be named for legal reasons, included bites to their genitals.Davies and Winter also forced the children to stand in a corner with their hands on their heads for long periods of time and screamed in their faces on numerous occasions when they were looking after them in July last year.During the period the boys suffered an array of injuries including fractured bones, bruises and bites.


    • 139
      Mr Jones says:

      this is the start of the effects of Tory government


    • 211
      Bomb's not jobs says:

      Saw in the paper yesterday that all judges were issued with guidelines last week to give women lowe sentances than men. Makes you want to weep when will all this crap end!!!


  43. 114

    I think the Milibores are both wonderful. I’ve stopped having to take sleeping pills since the leadership election started


  44. 115
    WoolArse Gurka says:

    “55% think David “Is most likely to lead Labour to victory at the next General Election”, only 25% think Ed would do so.”

    The real scary thing here is this lot are so deluded they actually think they can win another election


  45. 116
    concrete pump says:

    Christ on a bike, Mark fucking Serwotka is on the fucking ‘one show’. What an utter, utter c*nt.

    Where’s the fucking remote!!!!!

    What bellend put bbc1 on…….?


    • 265
      Sir Stuart Bell-End MP says:

      Did somebody call?

      I apologise for taking so long to reply. I’ve been busy avoiding my constituents and counting my wonderful cash!



  46. 120
    The Office of Guido Fawkes says:

    2011 Queen’s Speech cancelled.

    An abuse of power?


    • 136
      Dobin the drag horse says:

      good ….boring anyway and at least it will give the Gee gees a day off.


    • 144
      Rebel General says:

      The Queen is now a hostage in the palace. We are now ruled by a coup.Rise up and kill the traitors. Your country needs you. Your queen needs you.


    • 153
      smoggie says:

      It was postponed, not cancelled.

      How the fuck will we all manage in the mean time? We’re doomed.


    • 156
      nell says:

      Yep. Very sensible coalition decision .

      Good tourism draw but not necessary at the moment. Very expensive piece of theatre – so more money saved. Well done!


      • 159
        By the seaside says:

        I like sandcastles.


        • 182
          nell says:

          Me too!

          But of course such simple pleasures are derided by welfare benefit cheats, labour mp’s, the labour party and union barons .

          They are more interested in sophisticated tropical five star hotels , all inclusive holidays, paid for by the taxpayer.

          They despise simple family holidays, paid for by the earnings of families, where the children are put first, and consider that they are for the minority real working class plebs who don’t rely on the state for support.

          Socialism is great isn’t it?!


      • 412
        A Tory Voting Tosser says:

        Hi I am also a Conservative voter who just will not listen to the declarations that come from Cast Iron Dave’s horse’s mouth about his political leanings (a Progressive (i.e. Marxist)), and who refuses to acknowledge that his actions speak of his EU-federalism (reneging on a promise of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty), and who just loves it when the Conservative leadership do anything that would render me a slave (use the Global Warming scam to rob me and surrender me into the clutches of a global banking cartel).

        In no way am I a victim of years of propogandising by the political elite which have latterly been dubbed the LibLabCon by evil counter-revolutionaries.


  47. 145
    fact says:

    It was pointed out by one MP that no conservatives were in the chamber.


    • 148
      seems not says:

      thought this was one for Fawkes.


    • 165
      nell says:

      When was that ? When twatson or straw were droning on?!.

      I bet harpyhatty, miligump and miligeek weren’t in the Hoc either. They were all busy trying to dramatise their rants to the TUC to match bobcrows rant earlier in the day. strike strike, tax tax, spend spend!!!

      No doubt coalition mp’s in the Hoc had all, very sensibly, headed towards the Stranger’s Bar waiting for the final vote of the day.


  48. 150
    Pentagon 9/11 says:

    Where’s the plane?


  49. 155
    Enjoy your brief stay your going down says:

    The Coalition should prepare for extreme unpopularity and govern as if it only has one term


  50. 157
    Enjoy your brief stay your going down says:

    The Coalition should prepare for extreme unpopularity and govern as if it only has one term. The split is coming.


  51. 160
    Hard to bear says:

    9 million labour voters did not bother to vote last time. They will next time.


  52. 161
    Jimmy says:

    Thing have been moving Ed’s way ever since you predicted his defeat. Now that you’re predicting he’ll win presumably DM will retake the lead.


  53. 163
    test says:



  54. 164
    Fuck off says:

    I love this. He resigns AFTER it’s been announced the council is being scrapped. Are we meant to be impressed by his resignation?!

    “The head of the UK Film Council has resigned, saying the job was a ‘privilege’ until the moment he learned the organisation was being scrapped.

    Chief executive John Woodward will leave the council in November.

    ‘I can’t adequately say what a privilege it has been to serve the British film industry since 2000 – and I enjoyed every minute of it up until 5.35pm on 24 July this year. I am proud of what the UK Film Council and its staff have delivered over the past decade.'”


  55. 177
    Modding is fucking this site says:

    dave is leading labour to the next election vict*ory


  56. 179
    The Rev. Richard Dawkins says:

    There is no such thing as the Miliband brothers.


  57. 185
    Can't remember my moniker says:

    The election about nothing.


  58. 189
    The Holy Father says:

    I am looking forward to having tea and kikes with the old queen.


  59. 191
    Labour Party says:

    Life is great. Our next leader will be either a geek, a wonk, an odious bully, a regional idiot or a daft money-grabbing bitch.


  60. 206
    Wheel out the crone says:

    I got it on good info Maggie is dead and has been stuffed by a taxidermist to stop the Tories losing all morale.


    • 215
      socialism isn't working says:

      My life is shit because I’m a total wanker, but I always blame Mrs Thatch.


    • 231
      nell says:

      Maggie left an enduring legacy of balls, achievements, and guts. Not to mentioin the fact that she decapitated the unions. She also had a great handbag movement for anyone that annoyed her.

      gordon by very unfortunate comparison was known for never being elected by his own party or by the electorate to the PM’s jobs because he lacked those same balls.

      And he was known as gutlessgordon because he hid everytime there was a problem, something maggie never did.

      As for the unions well he bought them with £millions of our money and put whelan , his henchman into prime union position to protect himself. What a coward!!

      As for gordon’s handbag movement – well bit of a velvet squeeze wasn’t it for people like twatson, whelan, balls, edmiligump, damian, philhope, mandy,…….

      Kate Burley has now written about bliar’s erotic no 10 days.. No doubt someone soon will write about gordon’s homoerotic no.10 days.


  61. 209
    nell says:

    I feel really sorry for rudderless, leaderless labour. (Nope. I must be honest I don’t!!)

    Can anybody think of a charismatic leader who might take them into power in the next election after the militwits have proved they can only fail?

    jack dromey? vaz? straw? blunkett? the depierowoman? maybe sowhatka if only they could find him a constituency he could win ( perhaps he could try woolas’s seat if the court rules, at the end of this week, that woolas won by foul means and that the seat must be re-contested. Ho Hum!).

    Then again I think the most suitable leader for labour would be bob crow. He’ll keep them out of power for a century or more.


    • 219
      bums on seats says:

      Hello nell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    • 223
      Bob Crow's Barmy Army says:

      Only in the minds of blue rinsed, borrow the bus fare to get to the voting booth in order to vote for a new feudal overseer, turkey from Bernard Matthew’s Land.
      To ordinary hard working men and women, expected to pay for the criminal activities of financial spivs, he is becoming a figurehead, and a beacon of the refusal to suffer for politician’s mistakes.


      • 226
        Anonymous says:

        “To ordinary hard working men and women, expected to pay for the criminal activities of financial spivs, he is becoming a figurehead,”

        A dickhead more like.


        • 235
          Anonymong says:

          Said a knobhead.


          • nell says:

            Indeed , as you say bobcrow is a d…h…d

            But I think he really would be the best leader that labour could find at the present time.

            I mean he knows how to trough bigtime off the taxpayer’s, members subs, and the public’s money .

            And he also knows how to shamelessly live it up off other people’s money without giving anything back.

            I suspect Castro and Breznev would be proud of him!

            Labour need him as their next labour leader.

            Self Service! At it’s best!!

            He absolutely represents what labour stand for at this point in time.


          • Fiddles R Us says:

            649 honourable members have been troffing remember


    • 250
      albacore says:

      I am a strong supporter of your stance on sand castles and kites, nell. (Do you remember those celluloid Revojets that filled the seaside skies one summer, long ago?)
      So, you obviously know what’s what.
      Tell me, how on earth did Cameron get to be leader of what used to be a Tory party back in those halcyon days?


  62. 217
    Ho Hum says:

    legal aid is a fraud perpetrated by lawyers


  63. 227
    Mohammed Fawkes says:

    The j o o mafia prefer Ed because he will purse the global warming agenda he picked up during his first five years in Westminister. The are still trying to sell Global Warming to the public, lots of money to be made by carbon trading still.


    • 235
      nell says:

      Lotsa money to be made from the global warming con merchants.

      prezza will be supporting edmiligump then?


      • 350
        "global warming con merchants" says:

        “If you want understand climate change, go and see Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth.” – David Cameron

        nell will be supporting Tony Camoron then?


  64. 228
    The Labour Party says:

    Whoever wins………we lose.


  65. 229
    do not feed the mongs says:

    evening mongs. Worked it out yet that your opinion counts for nothing.


  66. 239
    Testarossa says:

    Whoever gets to be leader of the Labour party in the coming weeks will not succeed in ever being prime minister of this country. They will lose at the next general election and then be doomed to obscurity and blame.


  67. 241
    The public says:

    who do we ?


  68. 248
    Fortune Fifi says:

    Mark my words. Whoever Labour vote in will not be PM. It’s now like an X Factor final, i.e. the winners are sometimes total flops and the runners-up go on to be successful.


    • 253
      Odds & Ends Man says:

      Dianne Abott will get herself a shadow cabinet position wait and see.


      • 262
        nell says:

        Yes I do hope so.

        No doubt edmiligump is going to make her his shadow minister of education so that she will explain to all of us how we can put our children into private education in Ga!!mbia just as she has done for her son.

        And edmiligump is going to make edballs his shadow chancellor so that he can explain how he is going to promote a spend spend, strike strike and tax tax policy.

        And of course miligeek will be the shadow foreign minister who will promote a policy of bomb bomb and war war for iran !!

        Oh yes we really want the next liebour government don’t we??!!


      • 266
        Anonymous says:

        The token useless and racist black?


      • 278
        Slappy says:

        Not sure there’s a position big enough for that lard arse’s shadow. Riiiiiice aaaand peeeea!


  69. 249
    Up The Workers says:

    Brendan Barber is a nooooooob
    Bendan Barber will make his workforce lose their joooooooooobsssssss


    • 324
      up the workers says:

      How much does Brendan Barber earn from the TUC in pay and perks?
      Presumably he’ll still be paid while the strikers are losing their pay.


  70. 257
    To the Council, Government, EU, and beyond says:

    Those that think that cuts in public service budgets will mean less executive overmanning and a cull on diversity and equality officers are sadly deluded. The reality is that turkeys don’t make themselves and their pet projects redundant, but instead sack dustmen, street sweepers, road menders, school cleaners, old croakers home helps, special schools for disabled kids and all the other bottom of the pile workers.
    Just like politicians pass cuts down to the hard working average, and below average earners, your local Mayor will not be feeling the pinch.


    • 271
      Diversity Officer says:

      I have many divers way of sacking people


      • 408
        Why are we still stuck with the friggin' socialists says:

        Cuba to cut one million public sector jobs

        Cuba has announced radical plans to lay off huge numbers of state employees, to help revive the communist country’s struggling economy.


    • 289
      Testarossa says:

      We have a much more transparent parliament than we have ever had in history. Thanks to Guido and those that contribute their opinions, whether, good, bad, mad or dangrous to know. Our politicians and no longer these “other” beings. They are accountable, but unlike the previous government where the Accountants turned a blind eye, or where blind. We have too many people taking the P*** out of everything that is state run. I name Lawyers (legal aid) and the construction industry (who win contracts from the underground and local councils and provide only 40% of the 100% work they invoice) as two examples. Your “bottom of the pile workers” is not a term I would use for anyone who cleans the streets or looks after special needs children, or indeed dustmen. There is no “bottom of”. We have workers or non workers. Community service is a great way to do a lot of these jobs and save the tax payer money.


  71. 259
    Victoria Sponge says:

    Good evening daaaaarlings. When am I going to be served with the champagne that the socialists promised to give me? I am parched. This is dreadful. I am going to vote Tory next time.


  72. 268
    Dy Ann Flab Bott says:

    Me love bun and cheese, blud.


  73. 269
    Wheres Crow when u need the useless lump of lard says:

    Cuba has announced radical plans to lay off huge numbers of state employees, to help revive the communist country’s struggling economy.
    The Cuban labour federation said more than a million workers would lose their jobs – half of them by March next year.


  74. 272
    JizzBack Labour says:

    Don’t you DARE make fun of my Labia party! Dey make my liddle winkie hard and go all splooot splooot. Waaaaaah!


  75. 273
    Breaking Noooze says:

    Former world boxing champion Ricky Hatton has consulted a rehabilitation specialist following newspaper allegations that he used cocaine.

    His spokesman Max Clifford told the Press Association that Hatton has been suffering from severe depression.


  76. 274
    There's Trouble at Mill! says:

    Right lads, down tools and fuck the job!


    • 277
      Arthur Scargill says:

      Right lads after me, 1 2 3.. Maggie Maggie Maggie, Out Out Out!


      • 280
        Slappy says:

        Hi Arthur.

        Fuck off.



        • 303
          Arthur Scargill says:

          Ahoy slaphead me un lads are gonna drag the country in to the shit pit and hold all you cnuts to ransom, so its you who can fook off!
          I bet yer a barm cake to a wine gum we win sonny Jim!

          Maggie Maggie Maggie, Out Out Out!

          Maggie Maggie Maggie, Out Out Out!

          Maggie Maggie Maggie, Out Out Out!


  77. 285
    The Holy Pontiff's special entourage says:

    Let the children come forward!


  78. 290
    Mandy Rice-Davis says:

    Well you would say that, wouldn’t you?


  79. 298
    Hugh Janus says:

    Please refrain from showing pictures of these two Marxists. They unsettle the dog and my blood pressure could do without yet another increase.

    By the way, I’m looking forward to the government goading NuLiebour over the proposed strikes. Will any of them have the balls to criticise their union paymasters?


  80. 300
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Just as the Unions and Labour start shifting to the Left.

    The Leftist icons on Cuba start to look for a new way.

    Looks as if the Castro brothers know that the socialist game is over.


  81. 305
    The Big Beast says:

    Bob Crow could take George Osborne, no worries!


    • 314
      nell says:

      Really??!! Where’s he going to take him??

      To his own personal Manor House with paid staff from his union, in Hertfordshire?!!

      I’m bobcrow = i’m for the working classes I am.

      I just live in manor houses at your expense, evade taxes,, live in 5 star hotels around the world, get drunk, buy prostitutes in castro land………

      It’s what sociaists do……………..


  82. 306
    R Murdoch (Proprietor) HM Government says:

    G’day Andy! Now this is the line i want you to take when sticking it to the little people, or my readers, as i like to call them………


  83. 307
    Rip Van Winkle says:

    Oh, dear, it would seem Mr Castro has not been taken into AljaBeeba’s confidence.

    Surely, their hero from across the water has not gone and f**ked the Party line, has he? … cuts, cuts and more cuts in Cuba.

    You couldn’t make up.


  84. 321
    Simon Cowell says:

    I’d prefer a Roman solution to a hung Parliament. Throw all 650 MPs into the arena, and the last one standing gets to form a government.


  85. 326
    Wayne Rooney says:

    Coleen! Put your Mum’s under’wear on and we’ll have some make up sex.


  86. 327
    Wayne Rooney says:

    Coleen! Put your Mum’s underwear on and we’ll have some m’ake up s’ex.


  87. 330
    Ghost of M.Foot says:

    Forget both of them, they are Hunts. Let’s have Michael Foot as leader, I know I’m technically dead, but how much worse could I be?


  88. 337
    the beast of clerkenwell says:

    A new “road move” is being released
    Two deluded twats who are always off their tits
    Its called “Geek and Dong”
    Its a Milliband production


  89. 339
    yawn says:

    it’s still the same drug addict nutcase posting almost all of the peurile shit on here
    this place is a fucking bore just now


  90. 341
    George Osborne, A prepared statement says:

    Bob Crow rapes his missus up the arse, abuses his kids and picks up rent boys from William Hague’s office.
    Hang on, are you sure this is right?


    • 361
      nell says:

      Nope I think not.

      If you want the truth of bobcrow’s lifestle then look to cuba!!!

      That’s where he spends his leisure time paid for by his members!!!


  91. 352
    William Gaygue says:


  92. 357
    Monocular jock says:

    Questions Paxman should have asked “So, everybody thinks you’re a cu nt and so’s your brother?”


    • 359
      Paxo's mad for it! says:

      He should have asked the Gallaghers that one.


      • 364
        Monocular jock says:

        At least they have some talent for what they do


        • 370
          In the land of the blind..... says:

          So the Milliband brothers are vying for the possibility of becoming the next Prime Minister, with all the fame and fortune that comes with the position, and you think they’re failures?
          What have you done in comparison?


          • the old Dufflebag says:

            what they have done is convince themselves that they were not responsible in part for the last 13 years and have kept their heads so far down beneath the parapet the tops of their heads were invisible. Both the militwats are opportunists looking to the main chance and deluded in believing the public doesn’t see their graft at work. The ‘it wasn’t us guv’ mantra is a joke and the last 13 years proves it.


          • smoggie says:

            What he’s probably done is had a proper job and paid taxes making a real contribution to the wealth of the nation.


  93. 360
    nell says:

    According to wiki bobcrow is a self styled man who feathers his own nest.

    The militwits are the same !!

    Whichever one wins , They are going to be so amusing to watch!!

    Neither are ever going to make PM!!


  94. 365
    Billy Bowden is the greatest umpire ever ! says:

    Blair on fox news tonight


  95. 366
    Judo Hague and the Bedroom of Doom says:

    Hague pays Myers rent.


  96. 368
    nell says:

    Fuming Gordon tonight is packing to go to westminster hall to be presented to the pope alongside bliar.

    sarah is off to new york to present a mindless clothes programme on the 20th.

    The Brown children ?? Stuck with a nameless nanny!!


    • 371
      nobody cares about them anymore you stupid twat says:

      if you weren’t supposedly female you would be done for being a sick pedo stalker of those kids nell


    • 373
      nell's right or why did Gordon Brown say....... says:

      “You ask yourself, ‘If there is a God, why can anything like this happen?'”


    • 389
      nell says:

      Thing is , labour says parents should look after their own children.

      Hang on a minute who is paying for that nanny for the brown children whilst they are both gallivanting on the international stage??!! – surely not the taxpayer??!!


  97. 374
    Benny and the jet setting sex tourists says:

    I have a priest who will look after them.


  98. 375
    Portillo ??? Hague ?!? says:


  99. 377
    The Ghost of the Eighties says:

    Now that the economy is growing out of recession, i think we can all agree, with hindsight, that Gordon Brown was right, and you pussy whipped cretins were wrong. If only you had one ounce of steadfast courage that he had, we wouldn’t be heading into a double dip meltdown that the t*ries are gleefully ushering in, under the pretext of tackling the deficit.
    Will you never learn?


    • 378
      chicken counter says:

      double dip


    • 380
      old duffer watch says:

      You’re not a ghost, and you are in your eighties you senile old twat.


    • 421
      The BBC....WE set the agenda in British Politics says:

      Following our “triumphant and unbiased coverage” yesterday of Day 1 of the TUC Conference we shall continue that success again to-day.Viewers will also doubtless be pleased to know that we intend to follow that up with extensive and non-stop coverage on ALL News Channels and BBC One from 9am to 4pm daily of the Labour Party Conference and the event that is of paramount national importance, thel installation of the new Leader.We shall cover this with a team of 392 top-flight journalists reporting from constituencies around the country,who will give an impartial asssessment of why it is so important that Labour fight the cuts. We shall then stop all coverage of the Party Conferences on the basis that the public will be sick of these and any coverage of the Conservatives Conference would in the view of the Management be giving publicity to a political party and seeming to endorse the unacceptable policies of the Coalition.During that time viewers will have a chance to see again much-loved moments from”Cash in the Attic”:”Bargain Hunt” and “Flog it”.

      Finally we wish to make it absolutely clear to viewers and the public at large that the BBC is an IMPARTIAL observer and broadcaster and will accept no criticism from certain Tory MPs who are waging an unwarranted political vendetta against us


    • 472
      Gordon Brown says:

      Of course I was right. The alternative was a soft landing in 2004-5 but that would have lost us the 2005 election and put back the project of turning everyone into supine state clients.


  100. 385
    Where's the Cornoners Inquest for Kelly ? Hmmm? says:

    Kelly doctor cautioned for breaking GMC rules: New cloud over pathologist

    Fresh questions were raised last night over the professional conduct of the pathologist who performed Dr David Kelly’s autopsy.

    It has emerged that Nicholas Hunt is still under a five-year warning for breaking General Medical Council guidelines.

    He was given the caution for using a seminar to show photographs of the mutilated bodies of three Royal Military Police killed in Iraq in June 2003.


  101. 386
    Fucking Tory bastards says:

    Pay your own debts Hunts


  102. 387
    Fucking T*ory bastards says:

    Pay your own debts Hunts


    • 391
      nell says:

      Surely you mean labour twits ie woolas, balls, philhope, twatson , whelan , damian and the rest….

      They left loads of debts………………


  103. 390
    A day of reckoning comes says:

    tomorrow I shall be publishing my posters of the evil T*ories.


  104. 392
    Politicians,T*ories and bankers are evil bastards,kill em all says:

    bankers are T*ories bankers and T*ories robbed us.


  105. 393
    The Division Bell says:



  106. 397
    There is a God says:

    Somewhere tonight Muzzees are eating my pork fed turkeys


  107. 399
  108. 401
    The Coup olition says:

    goodnight mongs


  109. 402
    William Gaygue says:


  110. 403
    Bum Chum says:

    Can’t we get back on topic and talk about William. Bumming. Gives me a swelly.


  111. 405

    Is it true that these zzzeds are aiming to bore voters into submission?


  112. 406
    White Van Man says:

    Fucking hell, its like jumping in a delorean and going back in time!

    Night night Mongs!


  113. 407
    Ed Bollocks says:

    What a fucking duo of twisty faced inbred wankers, i bet they vote labour.


    • 420
      Jack says:

      For once Ed you can see straight

      But you know that YOUR new name is ?

      Lady Gaga Bollocks,

      the mistake of the Labour Party…


  114. 419
    Bob says:


    This photo of the Milliband brothers is enought to make anyone want to emigrate…


  115. 427
    scrap the licence fee to the biased BBC says:

    The BBC shows its blatant political bias:


    • 430
      Al says:

      If anyone needed proof that the BBC are in bed with Labour, this is it.

      They are no longer a public broadcaster but a propaganda weapon for the left.

      The coalition govt must act NOW to end this piss take on the licence fee payers.


      • 460
        The BBC....the voice of the Labour Movement since 1979 says:

        We continue to provide our excellent impartial view of British Politics.

        We have a team of reporters dotted around the country in pro-Labour constituencies ready at a moments notice to record a “Vox Pop” of “ordinary”(aka Labour)Voters who will with our unobstrusive off-air prompting provide reasons why the Coalition Cuts are bad for Britain.

        We also feel that the viewing public is over-gorged on politics after the pre-election run-up;Labour’s valiant efforts to stop the Tories from obtaining power(the LibDems acting to thwart our best laid plans in this objective); the Green Party Conference;the Plaid Cymru Conference;the TUC Conference followed quickly by the Labour Party Conference and the important election of the new Labour Leader that we have decided to cease all such coverage wef 30 September.It’s not our fault if the Tories can’t fit in with that timetable but we feel it the responsibility of our Charter to adequate reflect the views of viewers that we have carefully selected for their anti-Tory anti-Coalition views so that we get a balanced and unbiased view (which people will know is one of the BBC’s guiding philosophies) of the implications of alllowing the Tory cuts to proceed. We would not be living up to the ideals that made the BBC great if we did not.


  116. 429
    Postlethwaite says:

    Where is Guido this morning.

    Wake up Guido – follow the white rabbit



  117. 432
    !!! says:

    BBC unions’ war on Tories: Strikers plan to black out Cameron’s key conference speech and disrupt coverage of Osborne’s spending review


    • 438
      smoggie says:

      No coverage from the BBC. Is that so terrible?


    • 443

      So I presume we will get a refund on the days that the mafia decide that we can’t watch tv,will it come from the unions or will AlJaBeeb be paying,we can’t afford to pay out money to civil servants and get nothing for it anymore,after all we are customers.


  118. 439
    strewth Jimbo says:

    The timing of the threatened strike by BBC employees is an affront to the corporation’s commitment to political impartiality.

    who do these left wing arseholes think they are?


    • 442
      South of the M4 says:

      Then let the country hear the news from other sources and as fact, not as the BBC wish to paint it. Will the BBC miss out on the opportunity to spin these speeches as they wish them to be seen? If they do then the country may well gain. Thompson thinks the viewers are stupid, and the Union bosses would have made Darwin change his mind about evolution. Fuck them. Let us have a mass turn off from the BBC. Many will not go back.


    • 446
      Mr Plum says:

      What would be the point of striking, it will not cause any hardship to ordinary people, nobody will miss them.


    • 451
      BBC says:

      sez the T*ory rag


  119. 444
  120. 452
    Jack says:




  121. 453
    Mr Politically Incorrect says:

    So let me see if I have this right. Labour spend 13 years sucking corporate and banking cock, whilst the gap between rich and poor widens, and unions say nothing. Labour ends its 13 years with a ruined economy, high unemployment, the biggest budget deficit in history, the highest number of households on benefits, and plans for £44 billion of spending cuts. And unions stay silent. The coalition inherit this legacy and set about tackling the problems with sensible spending cuts, and the unions suddenly speak out and announce strikes to create a “winter of discontent”.

    Conclusion: the unions are a bunch of fucking evil hypocritical Hunts. This stinks of Labour dirty tricks. Time for some new legislation to curb union power. First step: ban anyone with the name Bob Crow from living on planet earth.


  122. 454
    Additional support for my skill set says:

    A pair of knackers talking bollocks


  123. 455
    NickyBlister says:

    It’s all very well these two lads having so much time off school but they really should be back now getting an education.


  124. 456
    Gordon Brown says:

    Today I will mostly be drinking fizzy lemonade and writing my book in my house in Killcurdly.


  125. 457
    Fukdaseptics says:

    Seen In florida.


    • 464
      It'sAllHollywood says:

      I bet they had to search hard for that photo opportunity, but they could have got Flipper in there somewhere.


  126. 459
    nell says:

    So the left wing beeb is going on strike on the 19th October the first day of the Conservative Annual Conference.

    And edmiligump promised the TUC yesterday that he would join their militant march and rally on the 19th October against the cuts.

    If edm wins the leadership, and I hope he does, labour looks set to move sharply to the left and be dominated by the unions.

    Good thing too. It will leave them completely unelectable.


  127. 463
    nell says:

    Today I’ll mostly be spending my pension on digestive biscuits and watching Countdown. Good wholesome activities.


  128. 466
  129. 471
    Info says:

    The Cox2010 site advertised above is dangerous to your pc.


  130. 474

    I dont understand why either of those miliband knobs are being considered. they are such anally retentive wonks how could they ever connect with the electorate.

    They look down their shit sniffing noses and pretend they are working class because they went to some comprehensive school. They both bang on about fairness and the POOR.

    Why is it that after 14 years of the Party for the Poor we are stilll talking about how UNFAIR our society is.?

    I dont think it is very fair that I earn a large amount of dosh get half stolen off me and given to scum, have to pay large school fees because govt schools are full of jonnie foreigner and shit teachers. However the POOR all have loads of tellys, cars, mobiles, football shirts and holidays.

    i want to be POOR


  131. 476
    Albi Here says:

    Oh dear the ubiased/left wing BBC going on strike,how will we live without the dross and rubbish they pump out,just think of the CO2 saved,now will cast iron Dave change his mind and get rid of the poll tax masquerding as a licence or will he just do what he’s good at ,foook all.


  132. 481
    TheseAreTheDays says:

    Guido i’m getting bored with the Milliband thread now, who can we slag off next?


  133. 484
    Hurricane Julia says:

    I’m going to smash the eastern United States to fuck later


  134. 485
    Nina says:

    David latest:


  135. 489
    deserter says:

    Fuck it its dead here, I’m off to Old Holborns site


  136. 490
  137. 493
    Oh come on says:

    Except you and apparently YouGov are utterly shit at maths and have no clear idea how AV works.

    When you have corrected your obvious errors the poll says nothing if what you claim here

    Gutter blogging from a gutter dweler


  138. 495
    Charlie the Chump says:

    Who gives a fnuck about this???


  139. 496
    Stryker Milliband says:

    I am the secret Milliband shunned for not being a socially akward arsehole!


  140. 497
    the last quango in paris says:

    I trust David Milipede will be welcoming the Pope after all the HILARIOUS suggestions his team made about the visit! How can he be a head of state?


  141. 498
    JoePublic says:

    The Labour Party has implemented policies which support one section of a society, to the extreme detriment of another section of that society [via blatant theft and cronyism]

    The very definition of Facism.

    A vote for Labour is a vote for Facism.


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