June 21st, 2010

We’re All Against This Together

It’s a strange day when the TaxPayers’ Alliance and the TUC are singing from the same hymn street. It’s even stranger when Guido and Ed Balls find themselves in agreement. The TPA have finally engaged in the battle this morning with a video attacking a prospective VAT rise. Guido can’t understand the morality of instigating a regressive tax rise that will mean more, not less, state dependency, leaving those who already suffer the most being even more broke. A hike in VAT to 20% would cost someone on average earnings £150 a year, that may not be much to millionaires like Dave, George or Nick, but those on lower incomes will definitely feel the pain.

The Coalition simply has no mandate to raise VAT, they were all asked repeatedly during the election campaign and replied they had “no intention” of raising VAT. Clegg actually campaigned against a VAT hike.

A 2.5% rise in VAT to continental levels is not worth the hassle, not when there are far more effective ways of saving money rather than further taxation. Why not start with the disastrous outsourcing of I.T. contracts? A study of government I.T. contracts made over the past 5 years shows that the taxpayer has ended up paying 40% or more above the market rates for outsourced services.  This means the public sector could save up to £6 billion on its annual I.T. spend of around £14 billion without affecting front line services. Overspending on government I.T. contracts alone is equal to 1% of GDP…

UPDATE: The TPA’s video:


125 Comments

  1. 1
    Smig says:

    Government IT is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard.

    I wonder how many firewalls were left with default passwords…

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    • 3
      Ad Myn says:

      What is a default password?

      I thought I was the only one who knew root -> root.

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    • 17
      It's not so bad as you think says:

      A hike in VAT to 20% would cost someone on average earnings £150 a year

      That is simply not true. People can spend less and therefore pay less VAT. People can buy zero rated plain biscuits rather than VATable rated chocolate biscuits. With careful planning a VAT hike is easily manageable unlike an income tax hike.

      Ineffect those who spend more (rich people) will pay more tax than those who spend less. Nowt wrong with saving a few pennies. and at 20% it will only be around the European average.

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      • 22
        Fill your tank up tonight and stock up on b00ze says:

        It is also an instant earner, very hard to dodge and is collected at vey little expense to the public purse.

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        • 36
          AC1 says:

          It’s the worst tax. It’s a raise of 2.5% in the cost of employing people (those that Add Value). It will therefore mean a lowering of employment.

          This is just basic economics. There’s no infinite pot of money. If you want to worry about spending, worry about the increase in debt and raise reserve requirements. Using debt for consumption makes a country poorer as there is no RoI to pay the interest.

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          • In isolation, it is a cost on sales, and could be even more than 2.5% on employment, but you forget one thing:

            VAT is not charged on exports
            VAT IS charged on imports

            If you lower income taxes (specifically raise personal allowances) and corporation taxes, you tax jobs less.

            In Isolation, as now, I do not support a VAT rise, but as part of a shift in taxation from earnings to consumption, I do support it.

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          • Tessa Tickles says:

            I think you’ll find it’s a rise of 14%. You have to increase 17.5 by about 14% to get to 20.

            17.5 x 1.14 = 19.95

            17.5 x 1.025 = 17.9375

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      • 35
        Osama the Nazarene says:

        Hear hear. The essentials of life are zero rated.

        As for IT Contracts, Patty Hewitt and the Andersooniesis laughing all the way to the bank! Definitely renegotiate ALL of those.

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      • 37
        Lord Snooty says:

        Higher taxes remove spending power and lead to decreases in prices which equals deflation which in turn leads to higher unemployment especially when those who have money have ways of not paying taxes, like me.

        ‘Course I’m VAT registered so I offset VAT paid against VAT received. My Accountants have made arrangements for investments to be held in a shell company offshore and administered by nominees and I’m moving my office. Booked on the 11.40am BA344 to Nice tomorrow morning, swift helicopter care of Heliair Monaco to Monte Carlo and safety from whence I shall toil online in the sunshine:) So long suckers.

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      • 71
        Fuckwit Spotter says:

        That is simply not true. People can spend less and therefore pay less VAT.

        Resulting, presumably, in an approximately £150 decline in their standard of living.

        People can buy zero rated plain biscuits rather than VATable rated chocolate biscuits.

        ‘People’ (peasants, right?) can also save money by eating roadkill and grass. Might not be happy about it though.

        In effect those who spend more (rich people) will pay more tax than those who spend less.

        Well done! But there was a graph in the video. Did you understand it? Something about proportions.

        Nowt wrong with saving a few pennies.

        Having a lower standard of living for the same amount of money is not ‘saving’.

        and at 20% it will only be around the European average.

        Eurosocialism uber alles!

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      • 96
        oh dear says:

        get a life mutley

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    • 24
      Anonymous says:

      But nonetheless the coalition has gone native in record time and is busy saving as many grand Whitehall database state projects as possible, despite having promised to kill them in opposition, and some of them even in the coalition agreement itself.

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    • 28
      clueless IT moron says:

      Why do governments and other public institutions use Windows Microsoft? How many billions do they fork out each year just to have the immensely annoying and mediocre Windows Office? Do they realise that there are actually cheaper and even free alternatives? Some of the alternatives also don’t wiegh down your access with atrociously expensive and useeless security ripioffs which “strangely” only seem to affect Windows Microsoft users.

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      • 33
        The Court of Public Opinion says:

        m$ bribing of decision makers is legendary – second only to IBM’s Bermudan “conferences” where attendees get to bring their families for a fortnight, with the pretend “business” taking an afternoon at most. Even so, it doesn’t always get them what they want, in which cases things as you say work out great for a fraction of the cost: http://tinyurl.com/mx9dll

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      • 55
        no longer anonymous says:

        Probably the same reason many private companies use them.

        If OpenOffice (which I presume you are referring to) was so good it would be used throughout the private sector.

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        • 101

          “If OpenOffice (which I presume you are referring to) was so good it would be used throughout the private sector.”

          No it wouldn’t because the private sector is staffed with the same moronic bleating sheep as the public sector.

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        • 107
          HenryV says:

          Not really. When it comes to technology the best isn’t always market leader. For example the oft quoted superiority of Betamax over VHS. The former had better picture quality and had a smaller form factor.

          OpenOffice doesn’t get anywhere because not many (business) people know of it. It has been proven that users (cubicle slaves) of MS Office don’t notice the difference between OO and MS Office. Further most users don’t use the super duper features crammed into MS Office.

          As for morons in the private sector well when I support Unix/Linux in a mid table retailer we tried to get the company to switch over to OO. It would have save thousands in licenses but the bosses weren’t interested.

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          • The Court of Public Opinion says:

            Exactly. Before the launch of Windows 7, ZDNet took out a laptop running Linux and the latest KDE to a shopping mall and told them it was the new Windows version – they all loved it. Its this level all this is aimed at: http://tinyurl.com/25ctogw

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      • 56
        Wasn't it? says:

        Wasn’t it one of the Tory pre election ideas to change over to open source?

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      • 67
        sockpuppet #4 says:

        I remember adverts stating that if you used linux, you’d need much more expertise, which would be more expensive than buying MS.

        I really don’t want that to be true you know. (but it probably is).

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        • 75
          cider drinker says:

          Open source is free , but would need a damn sight more IT people to keep it running . How many times using windows have you had to use the command line ( thats even if you know how to ? ) . It can become a regular occurence with the various open source flavours . Even finding drivers , which windows does with ease can become a lenghty pain in the arse , and probably beyond the average key pusher who to be fair wouldnt have the first idea about solving problems .

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        • 82
          The Court of Public Opinion says:

          FUD worthy of McBride.
          Every used google.com? Then you’ve used Linux. How about an Android/iPhone mobile – not exactly famous for being difficult to use, again built on non-m$ UNIX derivatives. I could go on, but googling “Microsoft FUD” is your friend here.

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      • 114
        Up sh1t creek says:

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    • 31
      Cloud with a silver lining says:

      VAT is a fantastic way to get money back from the welfare scroungers when they blow it all away on ciggies, pies, b0oze and crisps

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      • 41
        The Acid Test says:

        As soon as George Osborne has given his Budget we should count the cost of the tax changes that negatively affect the working poor and then count the cost of the tax rises that negatively affect the members of the millionaire Conservative/Liberal Democrat cabinet.
        Under the coalition the poor will be made poorer and the rich Conservatives will consolidate their wealth.
        We are all in this together?
        By the end of today we will have definitive proof that we are not.
        Which means David Cameron, Gideon Osborne and Nick Clegg are all liars who campaigned upon a false manifesto and false slogans.
        Change?
        No, no change whatsoever.
        The coalition is exactly the same as Gordon Brown in that they both tax the working poor into the ground in order to increase the incomes of the rich.
        Shouldn’t it be the other way round?

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        • 73
          Unsworth says:

          “Under the coalition the poor will be made poorer and the rich Conservatives will consolidate their wealth.”

          Crass. Are there no rich Socialists or rich LibDems or SNP members? For that matter what’s your definition of ‘rich’?

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      • 103

        Unless they save money you get it all back anyway. Google ‘geometric progression’ and run a few transactions.

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    • 44
      Up sh1t creek says:

      VAT rise please, make the feckless pay something for the damage THEY did to the economy. It’s only fair, after they’ve raped my savings for 13 years, and my parents private pension savings for 13 years.

      Anyway, Ed Balls believes that we need a bigger state, how are you going to pay for that?

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      • 72
        Silvyo Tally says:

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        BULLSHIT

        TOTAL

        ABSOLUTE

        BULLSHIT

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        ASTA

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      • 120
        CorruptionCentral (gone for good!) says:

        Aye

        Put an additional 10% tax on mortgage repayments (not just the interest) where the outstanding loan is > 4x earnings submitted to hmrc…

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    • 46
      Up sh1t creek says:

      Yvette Cooper talks balls just like her husband on the UK’s deficit…..

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      • 101
        TosserWatch says:

        she is such an ascerbic two faced shitbag perfectly suited to her scumbag husband…the pair of them come from the weasel school of the great chingrinner
        and deserve ample portions of obscurity

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    • 49
      Up sh1t creek says:

      The unions deny there is a problem, and the shrinking private sector should continue to pay for the expanding public sector……

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    • 52
      Hold on there Guido says:

      Could not agree with you less Guido.

      I quite like the idea of those who are reckless with their money paying off the national debt for me.

      There’s no need to worry about the poor when food (none luxury) and cildren’s clothes are zero rated. It should also help the nation’s diet if people choose to save money and buy zero rated bassic wholesome food rather than processed tack.

      Let the Plasma watching, pie eating, chain smoking class pay their way for a change.

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      • 58
        no longer anonymous says:

        Chain smokers already pay with fag duty. Pies do not have VAT on them.

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      • 123
        Squeeze the poor says:

        Yeah the bankers greed caused the problem so let the working class pay for it. The rich have always found ways of making the poor pay for them.
        The BBC, The ITV and the government are all praising the move to raise benefits in line with wages rather than inflation as being progressive, at exactly the time when inflation is likely to out strip pay. Thus the benefits were held back by Thatcher when she changed the link from pay to RPI at a time when pay rose faster than inflation. Now Osbourne is changing the link back when inflation will rise faster than pay. Thus the poorest members of society have been hit again. Not to mention VAT.

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    • 76
      Chicken feed zero rated says:

      I never noticed VAT dropping 2.5%, i never noticed it going back up 2.5%, so feel free to slap on 2.5% and let the feckless spenders help the country out.

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  2. 2
    jgm2 says:

    Thing is that 2.5% VAT hike will raise 20bn or so. With, no doubt, the promise that this will be lowered back to 17.5% when the cost-cutting has taken place.

    Or it could be that the Tories won’t increase VAT but will spell out the choices they had (raise VAT to raise 20bn) or cut 20bn of unnecessary spend and then go to town on the public sector.

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  3. 5
    Spin On This says:

    Labour would’ve put up VAT. Balls is an opportunistic Hunt.

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  4. 6
    Pot Kettle Black says:

    Or, better still, what a targeted VAT rise on luxury goods … plasma tv’s, games consoles, leather sofa’s, airfares etc … and a VAT reduction on essentials?

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      sockpuppet #4 says:

      Sounds like an administrative nightmare.

      I believe they used to have it in france about 20 years ago.
      Anything that is too complicated for the French state has got to be a right bloody farce. (actually more than the “right bloody farce” of the rest of their state machinary).

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  5. 8
    Wank Amatuer says:

    I think make-up and other luxuries (tampons, bras, ladyshaves etc) should be taxed at 75% VAT. Beer should be tax free.

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    • 11
      The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

      So you like women with body hair, blood running down their legs and saggy tits?
      You are Chris Huhne
      Send me the £5

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  6. 9
    Grammar School Boy says:

    The lower the tax level then the greater the incentive to invest, earn or spend, hopefully all.

    Tax is a Labour tool; we need to be bold, drive down taxes and hammer the waste (such as IT procurement) and of course the huge waste in the International Health Service.

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  7. 13
    David Laws says:

    My mate asked me what my teenage years we like the other day, and all I could do was be honest.

    I locked myself in my bedroom and turned it into a weird masturbation furnace.

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  8. 14
    Benny Fitz-Clements says:

    I’m not looking forward to tomorrow’s Budget.

    They can’t take away my Disability Benefit, Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit and all my other benefits and make me pay tax on my cash in hand, can they ??

    Will I have to cancel two of my annual holidays to Spain ?

    Bring back, Boom Boom Brown !

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  9. 15
    ThousandsOfMilesAway says:

    VAT in Switzerland: 7.9%.

    Tell me this: how do they manage to have top drawer ‘services’ *and* low taxes?

    Sure, they have mandatory private insurance for healthcare instead of an NHS and most people in the mountainous regions have jobs in tourism rather than drawing invalidity benefit.

    But broadly, why is Britain unable to manage roughly the same?

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    • 26
      Smig says:

      We need more mountains.

      Send all the workshy off to the Munros. Give them a begging bowl and a book on weaving, flintknapping and distilling.

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    • 47
      Lord Snooty says:

      Box of Kelloggs Cornflakes = £6.90, pack of 60 tea bags = £8.40. High income taxes. Try living there. It’s far better in Monte Carlo.

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    • 91
      Cassius says:

      Actually taxes without a forfait are not THAT low – tend to fall in to the 30-40% range, but with much greater simplicity than the UK.

      300-400CHF a month of compulsory private health insurance, with a safety net for the poorest – Cassius’ local hospital doesnt even HAVE a waiting room for the simple reason that no one has to wait.

      But most of all… Cassius puts the quality of swiss services and infrastructure and the high standard of living down to the bin bag tax.

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  10. 16
    The Huhney Monster says:

    Carina makes MY VAT rise!

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  11. 18
    Anonymous says:

    “A hike in VAT to 20% would cost someone on average earnings £150 a year, that may not be much to millionaires like Dave, George or Nick, but those on lower incomes will definitely feel the pain.”

    You’d have to be on an extremely low income for an extra £2 a week or so to make such a difference, and at that level, your main concerns are items like food, which are likely to be exempt from any rise.

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    • 83
      Fuckwit Spotter says:

      You’d have to be on an extremely low income for an extra £2 a week or so to make such a difference …

      £150 a year is obviously closer to £3 a week, so why did you say 2?

      It takes someone on minimum wage (£5.80/hr) about 30 minutes to earn £3.

      So that’s an extra 30 minutes every week working for the slave state to pay off Labour’s trillion pound theft. Doesn’t sound that great to me.

      at that level, your main concerns are items like food, which are likely to be exempt from any rise.

      Perhaps that’s why it’s ‘only’ £150 and not more?

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  12. 19
    Mr Muzee says:

    Please not to be putting the vats on the chapati flour. My brothers needing it to be making the peace loving bombs our beloved prophet tolds us to makes for you infidel kafir bastards. Allah’s akbarred!

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  13. 23
    HOLDEN M.Y.BALLS says:

    I’m not always a pwick.

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  14. 30
    Tax Boffin says:

    VAT’s not regressive in the UK because of the zero/low-rating on food, transport, housing, kids clothes.

    It’s actually mildly progressive.

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    • 59
      ST says:

      I don’t know if I’d go so far as calling it progressive (as defined by what most people mean by the term) but your right the zero rating means it is not as bad as it could be.

      If they expanded fuel (something which would never happen) it would truely limit VAT to discresionary spending.

      Its also a remarkably efficient tax to collect.

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    • 88
      Fuckwit Spotter says:

      So making luxuries relatively more expensive doesn’t make them less affordable for people on low incomes?

      Have you considered a career in the BBC?

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  15. 34
    Gordon Brown says:

    Can I make a speech too?

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  16. 42
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Fact: The civil service employs as many people as populate Sheffield. They are being fast and loose with the truth here when it comes to the numbers: http://tinyurl.com/3yrta95. They don’t class the entire town hall admin depts you see all over the country, which have been outsourced to EDS etc as being employed by the civil service. They sit there doing the same civil service jobs, usually in triplicate, in the same desk pretending they are private. Of course ultimately we are still paying but now the pointless middle men’s cut means it costs us double.

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  17. 43
    Edwin says:

    You’re just joining Balls’s hysterical band wagon. What on earth gives you the impression that Osborne will raise VAT?

    When asked before he said everything was accounted for in his 80/20 cuts/taxes split, with what the Labour government already announced.

    With the economy supposedly better than expected Osborne would be politically suicidal to raise VAT.

    It’s one of those issues whereby the opposition can campaign against something controversial safe in the knowledge that it will never come about.

    And anyway, how is a consumption tax regressive? The more people spend the more tax they give the Treasury. Rich people spend more on Vatable goods than poor people.

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    • 104

      Because rich people save more than poor people as a proportion of their income. As more is in tax, poor people receive less value for the £s making them worse off in real terms.

      On the other hand income tax would hit those who squirrel just as hard as those who spend. If VAT goes up then the number of transactions will fall – just at the time when we need more transactions to get the economy going.

      It’s ideological. George should put all the income tax bands up 2p and break that particular taboo once and for all.

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  18. 50

    A hike in VAT will do no more damage than the reduction in VAT did any good under McBruin.

    Quite honestly all Labour are doing is trashing any attempt to get the deficit down and the TPA, TUC and uncle Tom Cobbley ‘n all want it not to affect them.

    Labour still looking for excuses to explain their economic negligence! – http://whogoeshome.co.uk/?p=1353

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  19. 51
    "...helping police officers inquiring into the death of Dr. Kelly" says:

    Balls is still a fucking disgusting piece of shit. That fact that he might be right on this issue still doesn’t make up for the fact that the bastard needs kicking in the bollocks repeatedly just for daring to draw fucking breath.

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  20. 53
    Cream Puff says:

    Ok first, who is actually stating that VAT will rise to 20%?
    Is this inside info?
    IF it were to happen, what would it really mean
    Well something costing £ 10 before VAT, the VAT is £ 1.75
    post increas same thing will have VAT of £ 2.00, yes, 25 p increase
    Im not advocating a rise, just as Im not against it. But there needs to be some perspective about this as yet unanounced increase
    Reminder, what difference did it make when VAT was reduced from 17.5% to 15%?

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  21. 54
    Cream Puff says:

    Balls as usual talks complete Balls

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  22. 57
    Stevie says:

    The Chancellor has to make savings/cuts and increase taxes and he will be damned by just about everyone for doing so.

    Labour managed to turn the drip drip money hose into an uncontrollable gusher and then just sat back and admired their financial handywork with self congratulations. Brown and Darling between them are directly responsible for the dire financial mess we are in.

    The BBC seem to think that Darling is the Oracle all all money matters, he stated that he was going to start drastic cutting measures in 2011. The BBC appear quite content with this line. I wonder how they will report tomorrows Budget by George, when most likely any measures won’t be brought in ’til 2011…

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  23. 62
    Silvyo Tally says:

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    GHEADEAUX

    YORE INVESTMENT ADVICE HAS PAID BIG DIVIDENDS

    THE OTHER DAY, A FOREIGN SHOPKEEPER IN THE CITY OF OUESTMINCESTIR

    TRYDE TWO CHARGE A MYSTERY SHOPPA 99 PENTSCE FOUR A KAN OF HEINZ BAKED BEANS

    IT SERVES TO PROVE THAT THERE IS NO HOPE FOR HUMANATAE

    *

    ASTA

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  24. 68
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    Pay cash
    Most VAT problems solved

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  25. 69
    Anonymous says:

    “I quite like the idea of those who are reckless with their money paying off the national debt for me.”

    what about those who are reckless with someone else’s money? Should they pay? THey were the Hunts who created the problem in the first place

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  26. 70
    Blair's Paid Ego Parrot says:

    I’m all for a consumption tax. Taxation of earnings is theft. Tax people when they spend their money,not when they earn it or save it and it is available to be loaned out to business.

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  27. 78
    Seth the pig farmer says:

    As VAT is a tax on a tax, any increase in VAT for those on the lowest income could easily be offset by an adjustment in income tax bands to mean that they get to keep more of their income to spend on whatever they like – VATable or non VATable.

    Obviously the threshold for higher level income earners would need to be reduced to ensure that they don’t benefit.

    That would mean that everyone earning above average income will pay more in income tax and more in VAT, which would be a lucky turn of events.

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  28. 84
    filipinomonkey says:

    Totally O/T for which I apologise in advance…

    From the Sun – its’s free in the canteen and the alternative is The Star. Not verbatim as I had to leave it there for the next lucky diner.

    Snow White’s house blows up, and the fire brigade are called, out of the rubble they hear a voice ‘England can still win the World Cup’. – Phew says the fireman, at least Dopey’s survived.

    Headline in the same paper ‘We can still win this…’

    I’d love to think it was irony…

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  29. 87
    Agent 99 says:

    “A hike in VAT to 20% would cost someone on average earnings £150 a year, that may not be much to millionaires like Dave, George or Nick, but those on lower incomes will definitely feel the pain”

    Yup and slowly but surely the real guilty people who are responsible for us even having this conversation are slipping and slithering away just like I said they would and as they did before. How long do we have to wait before we hear them shouting about the ‘old the poor and the needy’

    Just fuck off Labour why don’t you and Guido it was a Good shot but at the wrong fucking target. As was in 79′ so will be in 2010 and the blame for the mess will fall incorrectly yet again…. starting no doubt from tomorrow!

    I cannot put into words how much I hate the Labour party and their apologists.

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  30. 90
    PM says:

    Sorry, guys, but Britain’s had the pleasure. Now, regrettably, it’s time for the pain.

    I find it odd that the Coallition will take the bashing for this horrible f**king mess, while Brown and Balls walk away virtually scot free.

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  31. 92

    […] unions, Ed Balls, the Taxpayer’s Alliance, Tim Montgomerie and Guido have all coming out against a rise in […]

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  32. 93
    Sir Keith Joseph's Preserved pulsing head says:

    raising Vat will cost average person £150 a year ? that’s 2.88 a week
    Yesterday bought a copy of the Sunday Times and two waffles in my tesco express they cost £2.92…..
    I do not feel my lifestyle dented ( and am not a millionaire by any means)

    Oh yes Georgey boy……whack VAT on kids clothes while you are at it ….
    Why should I subsidise other people’s kids any more than I do?

    Before anyone yelps …. if you can buy a pair of jeans for £4.99….. VAT at 20% makes them £5.99 again that’s not a big deal…..
    If you can afford to waste money on kids’ clothes that are MORE expensive then you could afford to waste 20% more…..

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    • 105

      “Why should I subsidise other people’s kids any more than I do?”

      Because they’ll be paying your pension – unless they become euthanasists because people like you treated them so badly.

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      • 106
        Sir Keith Joseph's Preserved pulsing head says:

        Heard that tired commie reply before
        we paid enough for our own children thank you

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  33. 95
    Cassandra King says:

    Honest Dave, you have my cast iron gaurantee, we have no plans etc etc.

    What the fuck did you expect would happen? We tried to warn you for years just what this f*cking common purpose social democrat was really all about, we showed you and indeed he f*cking showed you his real side.
    Mr change you can believe in, yeah lests vote for him and give him the benefit of the doubt, itll be great and what could possibly go wrong?
    You can trust Dave to lie to you, to protect his crooked friends,to follow Mr oil slick like the creepy sycophant he is. Dave will put up taxes and destroy the real economy while protecting the parasite economy of quangononjob land, he will rush to defend the common purpose/EU/NWO power grab and he will betray everyone else with glee.
    You think you know Dave? You just wait a spell folks because Mr soothing words is only just getting started.

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  34. 109
    HenryV says:

    How much do we send to Europe again? Surely charity begins at home?

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  35. 115
    The Maths Police says:

    Sloppy maths, Guido. If £14bn is 40% over market rates, then the potential saving is £4bn, not your £6bn figure (£14bn = 140% of market rates; therefore 100% = £10bn).

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  36. 117
    Poor Bill says:

    No one has said that the standard rate of VAT across the EU was agreed to be set at 20% along time ago.

    ‘The Government’ needs it’s % of the take.

    Don’t you cnuts read anything printed by ‘The Government’

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  37. 118
    Beanzy says:

    “A hike in VAT to 20% would cost someone on average earnings £150 a year, that may not be much to millionaires like Dave, George or Nick, but those on lower incomes will definitely feel the pain. ”

    But someone on average earnings isn’t on a ‘lower income’…. they’re on an average income.

    The only worry about a hike in VAT is that it will supress demand and slow the economy. It’s like hitting the brakes when you’re trying to coast the last bit to the petrol station with an empty tank. It’s not going to save any fuel or let you buy more when you’ve eventually managed to push the car to the pump.

    We’re in a holding pattern here, if we can maintain it longer than other nations, we’d be in a better position to benefit from a recovery and use the momentum to gain a faster recovery. A risky game, but there’s no point in removing the risk by guaranteeing failure.

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    Cap'n Scooby says:

    I can’t believe I’d be agreeing with Guido as well,
    but yes, VAT is totally the wrong and most regressive way to sort out the red ink.

    Labour was addicted to big-budget schemes that whilst they had the right aims, were poorly thought out in advance and had an unlimited budget – ripe for over-spend.

    Scrapping ID cards was one good thing the coaliton has done: scrapping Trident and the NHS IT system would be another few tens of billion saved with minimum hassle.

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    […] rare you get people from left and right of the spectrum agreeing with each other, but when the likes of Guido and the Taxpayer’s Alliance are lining up with the Trade Unions […]

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    Anonymous says:

    How can we get the money back from tax dodgers, who cost the country much more than anyone scrounging off the dole.

    There’s a really big scrounger living in London called Liz Windsor. Can someone please report her.

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  41. 66
    Anonymous says:

    With ideas like that I have no doubt you were top of the class. PPE at Oxford was it, old boy?

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    The Bottle Fed Monarchist says:

    The Liz Windsor I think you are talking about happens to be the Head of State. If you are not happy with her being Head of State in this country, please feel free to try a country with a different Head of State, like…. er, let me see……..North Korea or Zimbabwe perhaps.

    Anyway, Liz Windsor does pay tax, that started a few years ago. And, if you are still not happy with that, give her back the income from the Crown Estates and stop whingeing. Oh Sorry, I forgot, the profits from the Crown Estates is given to the Treasury for the good of the nation and is currently about sixteen times more than the civil list payment from Parliament.

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    raghead says:

    I just rang the dhss hotline and they told me to bugger off back to teatowelland..dey not very nice to me.

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    HenryV says:

    Well said.

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  45. 112
    Confused says:

    give her back the paint factory too

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    beefness says:

    The Crown Estates were stolen from the people. Let’s restart the manufacturing industry on one of her gigantic tracts of stolen land.

    Revolution is evolution.

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  47. Eddie Givuzan Eighth says:

    here here…god bless her without her maj what would this country be….a dump with no class.

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