May 7th, 2010

The Change Coalition (Part III)

Now is an historic opportunity to reform politics for the better, to open up politics and government, to roll back an authoritarian state.  If the Tory right is too small minded to allow Cameron to do a deal with Clegg then they are as stupid as they are short-sighted.  This is an historic opportunity to realign politics along a liberal-conservative axis.  It is the chance to destroy the Labour Party as a party of government forever. If the price is real reform of the electoral system then that is a price well worth paying to free us from the economic destruction wrought time and time again, decade after decade, by a statist, big government Labour Party.  Fraser Nelson, the editor of the Spectator, says he will fight Cameron.

Don’t do it my friend, at least see what deal is on the table, this is the chance to achieve Margaret Thatcher’s ultimate ambition of two competing non-socialist parties of government.

See also : Getting Real : The Change Coalition (Part II)


1,051 Comments

  1. 1
    Steve Expat says:

    Dan Hannan on BBC – “The umpire has raised his finger, Brown says ‘I’m not going anywhere'”

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    • 6
      Ordinary Bloke... says:

      Howzatt!

      Hope never to see Liebour back in power ever again.

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        William says:

        New Balls please.

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          Germaloids says:

          Just as long as they are not “Ed” Balls

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          • still licking dem windows says:

            Conservatives to have a 40 majority!

            ROFL!!

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          • When we do elect a new PM, white smoke will be seen billowing from the head of Nick Robinson

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          • Surprised Guido hasn't picked up on this.. says:

            Daniel Hannan, Guidos favourite Conservative, has said he didn’t see a problem with a referendum on electoral reform.

            Cameron might be preparing to face down his critics and go for it to get a stable government.

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          • Doctor Mick says:

            For the referendum, first they’d need to agree the ground rules. Number one, will it be a first past the post referendum or a proportional referendum? That should take them four or five years to resolve.

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          Snotrocket says:

          Are we aware that, according to Sky, the count was held up at Morley as there were 9,000 postal votes that needed to be checked? And Balls managed to survive with a much reduced majority of only 1101 votes.

          I smell a rat.

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          • Eric Pickles caught in serious discussions over a deal says:

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          • Porky Pickles and his Bumbling Buffoonery says:

            I was in charge of the Election campaign
            Now I am in the room for negotiations.

            What could possibly go wrong ?

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      • 269
        Lightweight Cast Iron says:

        I Am The Cleggeron – Hear My Green Taxes ROAR!

        The AGW mob must be wetting themselves with joy over this result. It’s as good as they could possibly have hoped for.

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        • 293

          So it’s come to this. Millions of votes mean nothing. One man now decides who will be Prime Minister

          With 15 million of us not wanting a Tory Govt, compared to 10 million who do, Clegg has his only and final chance to actually change politics for all of us.

          65 years of red/blue swaps has cost this country everything, lurching from one extreme to the other, knocking down the house that Jack built every 10 years so that Jane can build her version of Utopia and sending us, the people the bill. It bankrupts us every single time.

          All of our hard earned taxes, Britain’s entire wealth (and more) is constantly squandered to the whims of minority governments, less than 400 people sitting in Parliament in their desperate attempts to “make their mark” and enter history books.

          Only one other country in Europe has a first past the post system, Greece. It has allowed their politicians to take the Greek people to utter ruin. If we allow Clegg to hand power to Dave or Gordon without demanding that ALL of our voices need to be consulted about our country and our own futures, we will be rioting in the streets before you can say “Rooney misses penalty in semi final against France, England out. Again”

          I’ve tried to do my bit and failed miserably. Now you can do yours. Sign this, quickly. Because as it stands, after all the voting, all the hard work, all the effort by all the people to make your voice count, it currently comes down to the decision of just one man what is good for all us and what Government we, 61 million of us will get. And that is not a democracy. We’ve violently overthrown other countries for less.

          Yes, PR will give the BNP a voice, but perhaps we wouldn’t have 1 million illegals in this country and home grown Islamic terrorists.

          Yes, PR will give the communists a voice. But it might have saved us from giving £680 BILLION to greedy bankers

          Yes, PR will give the Greens a voice, so we might stop selling so many fucking cluster bombs to dictators.

          Is that really such a bad thing? Instead, we are run by friends and donors of minority governments. Lobbyists. Unions. Russian Oligarchs. Media moghuls. Unelected european commissioners.

          Clegg. We want reform. We voted for reform. Give us reform. Otherwise you might as well not bother asking again and simply have the honesty to admit that the electorate counts for fuck all. You won’t like us when we’re angry, I promise. Ask the Greeks.

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          • cartman says:

            get a hair cut hippy

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          • Bloody_Hell_run_that_past_me_again says:

            Hmmm. Maybe you didn’t see the result OH?

            WHO, exactly, voted for reform? You see, I was up all night in the Town Hall watching the results and I distinctly DID NOT notice a vote for reform. Strange to say, I noticed a distinct ABSENCE of a vote for reform. In fact, it was so startlingly and obviously absent that I’m kinda surprised you haven’t noticed too?

            You’ve got to understand – that is Nick Clegg’s underlying problem and it’s a real hum-dinger. He CANNOT go to anyone and say, LOOK, SEE, I’ve got a mandate for reform here……. He hasn’t.

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          • One party state says:

            Oh You are right it does all fall on one man but it AINT Clegg, it is Mr Rothchild! Mr NWO and head of th ECO scam with txes and the whole banking loanshark empire along with his minions and his royal backers that are all getting filthy rich of our debt and misery.

            Clegg if he doesnt allready know and i assume he does finds out today that he has no real power, that Mandy is a higher ranking NWO official than him and that they already pathed the way for Balls through his bilderberg selection.

            Now the NWO have been backing Cameron as they didnt want a hung parliment as that means MPs may actually get a backbone and vote with their consience, but it failed, so what now, well unelected Mandy will want Labour in as it means he can continue his games on the front benches with balls as the puppet, while the NWO will want Dave to keep up the hoax they you will get `change` democracy in action.

            when in fact Dave does not make a single decision without the NWOs blessing, same as Gordon, they are all puppets and you lot are nothing more than football supporters loyal to something that does not give a crap about you and will change sides in the blink of an eye.

            You voted for slavery, slavery is what you will get, Lib Lab Con – all the same, not a jot of difference, it’s all an illusion where you get hurded by the NWO press into your pens, just like sheep, and they ppiss themselfs laughing everytime they do it, they stole your democracy with the EU and the sheep still ample meekly into their pens, chanting for the red or the blue or the yellow, hust before their team leaders walk them into the meat fatory.

            now baaa away as guido keeps you in your pens.

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          • One party state says:

            Now keep an eye on the NWO media, they will TELL you who has won first, if they have a consensus then that will be what the NWO have decided.

            ignore the politicians they are a front.

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          • Stuart C says:

            (With 15 million of us not wanting a Tory Govt) So why didn’t you and your 15 million vote for someone you did want.

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          • Ten million don’t want a Labour Govt at any price and only the boundary changes have allowed the Labour thieves to survive. Six million voted LibDem and only 8 million voted Labour – so it comes down to this: only 8 million want another five years of Labour lies, spin, thievery of peoples pensions, and raids on our pockets.

            Hopefully Clegg will have the brains to go with the feeling of the majority.

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          • Henry V says:

            Make their mark on history? Really? Where the flip were you during the expenses scandal? FFS………….

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          420 time says:

          stand firm, hold your head high and say it loud, and say it proud, “Sod off Swampy” or “fcuk off your tree huggin Hunts”

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        British rioting competitor says:

        Has Dave ever mentioned an English Parliament, I would support that if it would help

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          the EU and their media won, the people of the UK lost says:

          yeah you would get an english parish council that eats tax and is corrupt, while the eu make 85% of the laws!

          \\keep voting for the lib lab con communists, chump.

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          50 Calibre says:

          There will never be an English Parliament because the English like being governed by anyone and everyone so long as it’s not the English.

          No bottle, no bottle at all. If Hitler had realised what a daft lot the English really are he could have taken over without a shot being fired. Think of the money he would have saved and the English would have been ecstatic with the outcome. They don’t want to govern themselves…

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    • 14
      A problem shared says:

      It would certainly be easier for a coalition to carry out austerity measures than it would for a single party. A problem shared is a problem halved and so is the blame.

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      • 35
        LibCon is fairer than LibLab says:

        Lib & Con = 59% of voters
        Lib & Lab = 52% of Voters

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        • 91

          Without proportional representation, nothing will ever change for the better. It wil be blue, red, blue, red for the rest of our lives just as it has been for our entire lives.

          Politicians got us here. Don’t look to them to get us out again.

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          • Steve Expat says:

            Hey there OH. Did you have a fun campaign?

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          • the EU and their media won, the people of the UK lost says:

            you wont get real pr it is not in the NWO interests, you will get the NWO media polarised duopoly where they control both parties.

            what they might do is give you a system claimed to be proportional representation that actually enhanses the power hold of the NWO parties, they have plenty of tricks in their bag and the NWO media to sell it to the sheeple.

            you are heading for east germany politics and worse, and you wont realise until it is too late, the media and their owners and controlers hate you.

            This much should be clear by now.

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        • 145
          Marxism is a race war against Europeans says:

          and that of course is before you take off the postal votes from third world shithole infested bed-sitting rooms with more 50 votes and add in the very not Nulab voters that were excluded from voting by Returning Officers’ delaying tactics to close the ballot after all the benefit scroungers had rolled up to vote.

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          • the race hate against the English says:

            Indeed it is, marxism is a rcae war and its winning, its ethnically cleansing the country lead by the trojan horses, that is why there are so few native brits in the media – check their names, both paper and TV.

            They know non natives will never defend the rights of the natives, the media our out to destroy the english along with the non english MPs and their puppets and usuful idioy marxists and the peoplke that control the money, also non natave brits.

            the trojan horse is inside the gates and they are destroying yo, they also have more trojan hourses ammassing.

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      • 86
        Ferial Ferret says:

        Absolutely, who/what is Fraser Nelson?

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        ST says:

        Yeah I know its funny but when the crunch came I don’t hate the idea of a Lib Con pact.

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          puzzled by it all says:

          So let me get this straight.

          The governing party fights an election and loses nearly a third of its mps, a massive 68 MPs short of a simple majority AND sees a collapse in its vote to well below a third of the population, but feels no immediate urge to give up power;

          The one party which made an unequivocal commitment to PR loses 5 mps when its manifesto is judged at the ballot box;

          And it’s still possible that this pair will put their losing policies together in a coalition government which between them STILL wouldn’t have a simple majority of MPs …

          It’s enough to make you want to vote for voting reform.

          Er hang on ……

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          • Jan says:

            Anybody see Jack Dromey..?.He’s mad.He was on the Beeb saying that the Tories had lost…….. He must be taking some really weird stuff.

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          • Snotrocket says:

            Yep….I saw Jack Dopey-Harman on the BBC claiming that the Tories had ‘lost’. Paxman’s face was a picture when he couldn’t get Dromey to admit that 2M fewer votes meant that Labour had lost. Nope, he would not admit it.

            And now, Eddie Maier is trying to get Ed Miliband to admit the same – and he won’t either. They’re all in denial!

            I guess, in Dromey’s defence, he was still recovering from the amount of money his union had pumped into Balls’s campaign – as Balls admitted in his acceptance speech (Balls kinda spoiled it by then claiming that Ashcroft had pumped millions into the Tory campaign to unseat him: pot, kettle, kettle pot?)

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          • I'LL GET YOU BUTLER says:

            Didn’t Jack Droney used to play Arfur in oOn The Buses ?
            OOOOOOOOOOOH ARRRRFFURRRRRRR
            FUCK OFF OLIVE !

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    • 23
      liberal Dave and his deputy Liberal nick says:

      Dave has always described himself as a liberal, just like Nick

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    • 27
      luther blissett says:

      Dan Hannan? Fuck me, he’s alive!

      Has Dave finally let him out of the basement where he was bound and gagged during the campaign to stop him from scaring the shit out of the voters?

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      • 87
        Steve Expat says:

        lol – Hannan and Carswell are both on the Beeb this morning afternoon – they’re both talking up the idea of some sort of a Lib/Con pact, discussing the common ground rather than emphasising the differences

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    • 42
      And the winner is......... says:

      Nick may have lost the battle but he has won the war.

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      • 479
        Jethro says:

        Let’s have some politeness here, the full title, if you please: ‘Old Nick’.

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    • 67
      Osborne the office Goffa says:

      They could even have a Chancellor pact with Ken and Vince sharing the job and Osborne as their teaboy.

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    • 116
      Mr Ned says:

      The Scots don’t understand cricket. This is now game set and match to the NWO. Whatever Cameron does this country is history

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    • 133
      The Islamofarcist says:

      Dave has shown his Etonion arrogance in not being able to humiliate himself enough. Had he been more humble Clegg would have acceded to the marriage proposal.

      Instead it forces the broken biscuits together with a Lib-Lab coalition. This cant be good for anyone.

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      • 216
        barefootcontessa says:

        What about Clegg’s Westminster arrogance? Seems they both have their ‘good’ schooling in common.

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        • 463
          Green Dave and EU Nick, two peas in a pod says:

          So, one multi millionaire son, of a multi millionaire banker, say’s to this other multi millionaire son, of another multi millionare banker, fancy seeing what we can make out of this deal?

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      • 482
        bandersnatch says:

        They are neither of them arrogant. Chippiness is merely a feature of the beholder.
        Anyone who speaks RP, or talks sense even, is said by some to be arrogant. This is pure prejudice. Besides, no child chooses his/her parents or the school he/she gets sent to.

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    • 193
      GoodluckJonathan says:

      Badluck Jonah you lost. Now f*** off.

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      • 459
        Cinna says:

        Anybody remember that movie from the 1960’s…”THe Unsinkable Mollie Brown?”

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    • 246
      Living with the real people in NW3 says:

      Video replay?

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      • 452
        Publius Clodius says:

        Stewards enquiry?

        Btw, as recent converts to electoral reform I had to laugh very early on last night as Labour lined up to cry that the electoral system was past it’s sell by date and required reform. Funnt how it didn’t require reforming between 1997 and 2010, when it delivered the result they wanted.

        As soon as it doesn’t it must be reformed. Funny how they;ve had 13 years to sort it out and have done nothing. They’re just a bunch of gerrymanderers.

        You lost…now naff off”

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    • 337
      Anonymous says:

      I have said before, only half jokingly that it will take the men in white coats to shift Brown.

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      • 485
        bandersnatch says:

        He is even now lashing himself to the fixtures and fittings in the untidy dump he calls his study.

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      • 725
        Brown's a Tosser says:

        I said it several times before – and I was definitely NOT joking. Brown is truly the No.1 Tosser with no moral compass and is clearly deranged. Just wait for the books to be opened up and the whole truth about the country’s finances comes out. Get ready to be shocked.

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    • 389

      And Brown wonders:
      Why he is the only player properly attired in Rugby shirt and shorts, whilst everyone else is dressed in Cricket whites.

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    • 397
      I hate New Labour says:

      It’ll take more than losing an election to get Brown out of No.10.

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    • 422
      NoPortilloMomentforYou says:

      Thanks so much to all guido’s commenters, it’s been such fun reading your screeds – both the angry informed and the ignorant window lickers. Keep up the good work.

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      • 464
        M.T.Bucket says:

        Shucks Ed, Have they dropped yet?

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      • 844
        Brown gone in a week says:

        Thats not Ed he can only read and write in capitals with his tongue sticking out. Not all of us wanted him gone, we need him to keep advising mcbonkers because as last night showed hes great at that.

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    • 434
      Anonymous says:

      Cameron + Clegg = Dream Team!!

      Send Brown to a happy retirement.

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      • 470
        Green Dave and EU Nick, two peas in a pod says:

        Only an unremmitted oaf, would imagine that letting Clegg anywhere near moving machinery or government, would be a good idea. Oh wait….

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    • 473
      Fred Blogs says:

      The Conservatives win on the Duckworth/Lewis method.

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    Brooding Mama says:

    Oh shut up Guido, there isn’t a fag paper between any of them.

    Cameron will have to take Cleggy’s proportional representation and suck on it good.

    Labour are out, but I’m not quite sure what class of beast we’re getting in…

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    • 127
      Anonymous says:

      Correct. Cameron sounds like a crack whore desperately offering a blow job to any passerby in order to get her fix. Pitiful display by Dave.

      Will the Tory party please put him out of his misery and give him the knifing he so richly deserves.

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      • 398
        arturchilingarov says:

        I can easily see that you are an attack dog, but worse than your bite.

        On Camaron with Clegg can govern in the national interest. If you can’t see that you basically don’t understand conservatism which has rescued this nation time and time again.

        How old are you? Do you read books?

        – artur chilingarov

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    • 149
      The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

      That’s easy, lefty socialist-corporatism, formerly known as fascism.
      The Conservatives abandoned Conservatism under Dave. Clegg or the Bliarites are his bedfellows these days.
      Don’t forget to say thankyou, when they introduce all those lovely green taxes, as demanded by their masters.
      Look at it this way, just behind Dave and Nick is a big club, telling them just what they want and Dave and Nick’s job, is to make it happen, regardless of what the British people want.

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      • 205
        AC1 says:

        Eastern Europe shows how effective bureaucrats are at protecting the environment.

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          British rioting competitor says:

          Would any of you informed fellows answer this question
          What would the share of seats be if only the English seats were counted?

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          • Sunderland Bob says:

            Would love to see what it is without the fuckwits of the North east as well…

            When the rest of England finally wakes up and decides to ditch that money soaking unproductive shitty country Hoots McJockoland, throw in everything north east of York as well.

            The fucking sponging bastards up here see it as their right and privilege to be kept in jobs by the rest of the country

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          • Edmund Burke says:

            English seats:
            Con 296
            Lab 191
            LD 43
            Green 1
            Speaker 1
            Total 532 declared (1 pending)
            Con 55.6% of seats declared

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          • England is Blue says:

            Declare UDI – quick!

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          • loftus road says:

            let’s get rid of the jocks – they don’t want to be part of England anyway.

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          • British rioting competitor says:

            Thanks Edmund, that is quite telling, time for an English is urgently required..
            We can all play the nationalist game, it would suit us.

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          • babar says:

            It’s worse than that.
            Scotland (again) returns almost 100% Socialists – SNP or Labour without as much as a swing against Labour after years of odious and incompetent government.
            The salmond has the audacity to declare that he rules out any negotiations with the Tories but panders to labour !
            He knows that his own supporters will desert him as they are socialists themselves and ill have no truck with the Tories.
            I am Scots, a Unionist (and as it happens a net contributor to my country) but the Scots simply don’t get it.
            I can certainly undrstand why the typical Englishman may wish to cast this country adrift rather than have it underpin pityful socialism within the UK by sending dozen after dozen of Labour MPs to Westminster as the population themselves rely on overfunding from the taxpayer. public sector employment and benefits to survive.
            Perhaps if Scotland was OFFERED self-rule then the majority might, just might wake up and smell the roses.
            Am I as pissed off with my countrymen as much as anyone in England – you bet I am as they once again help Labour retain power in the UK.

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  3. 3
    Stan Butler says:

    The Lib Dems campaigned for a free vote on our continued membership of the EU. This should be undertaken at the same time as the referendum on PR that will have to be a part of any coalition with the Libs…

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  4. 4
    Anonymous says:

    hear bloody hear Guido!

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  5. 5
    Dack Blog says:

    Of all potential outcomes this is the one I’d settle for.

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    • 8
      Brooding Mama says:

      You easily amused sods.

      Bread and circuses, you don’t even want the clowns anymore, just the bread.

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    • 117
      Mdme Defarge. says:

      Having thunked about all of it it’s the one I think offers quite exciting possibilities.

      The main one being Clegg and Cameron have just finally holed Brown above the waterline.

      Another being they will redraw the dodgy boundaries until Labour exists in Scotland and few isloated pockets in England and Wales. Third the LP will now enter into a nasty little bit of internal strife and split on a left leaning basis which no-one will vote for anyway.

      Fourthly (more points keep popping up) LD & Ts taking terrible cuts decisions means they can put the blame squarely on Labour.

      Fifthly (sorry) Tories other options was to side up with NI unionists and Scots Nats. As both these need an axe taking to their public sector Cameron would never have been able to work with this option.

      Sixthly it’s high time we had less tribalism in running out national affairs and this will give us a chance to see just what can be done given the will. LDs and Tories have been working together quite successfully in councils for some time.

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      • 165
        The IMF is coming says:

        With 1 seat in Scotland the extra LD seats help counter the SNP arguement about not having a mandate in Scotland – btw this really grates as if I am not mistaken, they have devolution. If they want MP’s in Westminster then they must accept that the intentions of the whole of the UK count not just those of Scotland

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        • 234
          jgm2 says:

          Aye. And the SNP has no mandate in England so they can fuck off voting for things that affect England.

          Or not. But if they don’t (abstain) then they can’t grumble when the Tories impose some block grant cuts to the great dead-weights at some point in the future.

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      • 185
        revolting peasant says:

        Seventhly Mandleson and Campbell will be a bit cross.

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      • 186
        The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

        “LDs and Tories have been working together quite successfully in councils for some time.”

        Like these wankers, I assume you mean? The difference between them and Zanu is precisely what?

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1268377/Families-forced-follow-green-zealots-new-recycling-diktats.html

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        • 291
          MartinFatGuts says:

          This isn’t recycling bin zealotry – it’s big society!
          Why waste hard-working families tax money, on paying immigrants to come over to sort out your waste by hand?
          Do it yourself, and save some council tax money.

          Stop whinging and think of all the tory-policy-related advantages this could present.

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          • albacore says:

            Recycling is a wonderful EU wheeze. Its primary purpose is to impose more obedience-training on the law-abiding.
            Around here they mash all the recyclables together, apart from glass, in the back of the council dustcart.
            They could as effortlessly transmute sows’ ears into silk purses as they could render that melange back into its usable components.

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          • Cucumber says:

            …whilst I get turned from green waste back into lovely green solar energy!

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      • 405
        Anonymous says:

        Cameron reshuffles his cabinet to with Ken Clarke returning as Chancellor. That should keep the City and Clegg happy, as well as playing well with the electorate. Labour far prefers fighting itself than the other parties, so goes in for one of its fratricidal periods, leaving some of its better semi-detached members, such as Kate Hoey and Frank Field to cross the floor. All sounds rather promising.

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  6. 7
    Non Don Non partisan says:

    “This is a historical chance to destroy the Labour party as a party of government”

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    • 100
      Ian E says:

      More likely, it would destroy the Tories forever as a party of government.

      I fail completely to see why Guido thinks it would destroy Labour. In any case, of course, if Cameron is not destroyed and/or controlled rigourously, we will end up with three social democratic parties playing tic tac toe ad infinitum.

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      • 156
        Susie says:

        OH… I should tell you, LDs and Labour are the same two-headed beast, I’ve lived in the area for 10 years, I know them — they are united in their hatred of Conservatives and both as barking as the other. LDs have turned a once bustling market/university town full of diverse shops and businesses into a jobsworth paradise full of anti-car nazis and eco-crazies.

        PeRil lies ahead for our democracy — and Brown’s for it — avoid.

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      • 364
        Fred says:

        Me too, they got 30% of the vote despite being disastrously incompetent.

        Nothing but nothing can kill off Labour. They are like a penicillin resistant bacteria.

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  7. 9
    .243 Win says:

    Aside from getting a flash under Brillo on the “destroy Labour” line :

    “two competing non-socialist parties of government.”

    Limpdums “non-socialist” ? You think ?

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    • 38

      My thoughts exactly Mr Win.

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    • 59
      Gordon Brown stole my pension says:

      Cameron’s “Big Society” has more than a vague whiff of Socialism about it, as well.

      And what were non-meritocratic all-female selection lists, if not socialist?

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      • 128
        Ian E says:

        “Big Society” is of course one of the American Marxist Saul Alinsky’s ideas – though dead, he was for a while one of Obama’s influences – dropped however as too much of an extreme Leftie (his key idea was to infiltrate and take over from within – ring any bells, Dave?). So what is Cameron doing picking up this insane leftie piece of idiocy – which virtually noone in this country rates as even a little idea.

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        • 207
          The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

          The Big Society idea is born out of a book by William Wallas, staunch socialist and Fabian, it was called, The Great Society.

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    • 131
      bergen says:

      They’re not a bunch of washed up failed marxists like Nulab-I can cope with sandal-wearing vegetarians even if they are bonkers on Brussells.

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    • 274
      Anonymous says:

      Guido must be suffering from a combination of sleep deprivation and a stonking hangover to actually believe this shite he’s just penned.

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  8. 10
    Hicks1969uk says:

    Glad to see at last that the two leaders are talking and taking the national interest in getting this labour mess sorted.

    Sort it out fellas and get it working otherwise the country won’t forgive you for years.

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    Killing Labour has got to be political priority number 1.

    The people have spoken – Cam has to do a deal with the Lib Dems……… Tory grandees who want otherwise are just being twats………….

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    • 16
      Brooding Mama says:

      I fully expect a Labour government to return in 2014.

      I’m not a fan of Labour.

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        Stan Butler says:

        If there is a lib/lab coailition this time then 2014 will be Tory with a huge majority.

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          nookle drager says:

          If labour stay in power now then the conservatives will never see power again. Immigrants vote labour so expect a massive influx if labour do stay, the cons will be squeezed out of the system forever.

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          • The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

            LOL, Dave and Clegg are going to do what precisely to control immigration? Leave the EU? Repeal the Human Rights Act? Stop Turkey joining the EU, oh wait Dave supports that. Dream on.

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        • 117
          Four-eyed English Genius says:

          Don’t you mean October 2010??

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          doesnt work that way says:

          Stan,

          Tempting theory but its bollox.

          Unless cons get keys to no 10 now you can kiss the Tories goodbye for 20-30 years.

          Labour will have built up an impenetrable client state consensus by 2014 otherwise.

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          • Yay, I've won! Whoops says:

            The problem with your argument is the very size of the client state.
            It is basically unsustainable and close to collapse.
            Socialism always ends the same way and Brown will be unable to stop it’s collapse.
            Soon there will be millions of disillusioned former believers and clients without the means to support themselves.
            This in turn opens the door for new ideas and ideologies and non socialist solutions, self reliance and most powerful of all, freedom from the state, the single most powerful human instinct of all.
            If Dave had any brains, he would quietly go it alone, or sit this one out and pick up the pieces, after the destruction of Labour and their useful idiot Lib Dim partners, as viable entities.
            Let Brown court who he likes, let him build partnerships with all kinds of fringe nationalist’s, that will fuel the fire of resentment against the socialists and their allies even higher.
            However, he is either not that bright or is determined to let capitalism and the conservatives, get covered in shit fixing the babel tower, Brown and his gang of perverts and thieves have erected.
            Then promptly be blamed for all the hardship and suffering caused by rectifying the massive Brownian cock up.
            Mervyn King has called this one correctly, the price of fixing this shit, is one term ( if they are lucky ) in office, for another decade out.

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          • AC1 says:

            Socialists start to escalate the use of violence to sustain the metastasising state.

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      • 55
        Ordinary Bloke... says:

        NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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  10. 12
    Dave The Dog says:

    Cameron isn’t offering anything though. On electoral reform, all Clegg will get with Cam is a cross-party committee which will basically involve Labour and the Tories telling him to go **** himself. Brown is dangling a much, much better offer.

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      Brooding Mama says:

      Only because Labour control the working class centres.

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      Steve Expat says:

      Clegg’s reputation would be poison if he was seen to hold up Brown – and he knows it.

      He and the LibDems have two choices now, either accept a formal coalition with the Tories, or a more informal deal that would see HM’s Speech and the Budget passed, but leave them free to deal with other things on a per-issue basis

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      • 39
        Dave The Dog says:

        Yeah that seems about right. The best thing Labour could do is put Miliband in charge, but we know Brown well enough now to know that he’ll cling on to power even if it is at the expense of his party and country.

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      • 377
        Fred says:

        Doubt it – Brown still got 30% of the vote and half of Clegg’s vote actually like Brown.

        Got to face up to it that the pain of the massive government debt hasn’t hit home yet – the penny hasn’t dropped with the voters. Tories would do well to stay out of it and wait till when the penny really has dropped before being returned to power with a massive majority after Clegg and Brown have done a Greece on us.

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          Cucumber says:

          Invoking the Greeks is neither apposite nor helpful.

          The Tories do not control the moment when they are returned to power. Nor do they have the power to introduce legislation, influence policy and so on.

          That’s what ‘being in Opposition’ means.

          With luck, and some clever distraction, the public will never notice their pockets being picked to pay the debts which they never noticed being run up in their names.

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          • Yay, I've won! Whoops says:

            The scale of the debt is such, that everyone will be painfully aware, that their pockets are not only being picked, but bled dry in order to just pay off the interest alone.
            Add in all the planned green taxes, direct EU taxes, rapidly rising energy costs, inevitable inflation, curbs on income and spending, rising unemployment, et voila, massive social unrest.
            Dave wants to be associated with the coming tsunami of individual asset stripping to pay for Browns fantasy revival and the inevitable blow back that will come with it?
            If the answer is yes, then clearly he is a puppet, working for others off screen, or he is as dim as some have said here and elsewhere.
            Now is the time to be a strong opposition, against a weak, divided and increasingly, deeply unpopular coalition government.
            The big win comes within the next 18 months, not now.

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        bandersnatch says:

        Yes sir!

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      Peel's ghost says:

      All Brown is offering is a referendum on reform to a voting system the Liberals don’t want anyway. Cameron’s opened the door. Once in Downing Street he can be free to offer the Liberals a referendum himself and deal with right-wing grumbling more effectively from a position of power. If the Liberals put PR before economic stability they will look shabbily partisan and seedily opportunistic. Cameron’s played a blinder.

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      • 62
        What no Democracy? says:

        Yes and Clegg would be crazy to accept and promise of a referendum with Brown, after all he does have previous with lies about a referendum for much more important things than our farce of a voting sytem like..well, the soverignity of the British People for instance?

        How could you form a govt with a traitor? It would be political suicide..

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      • 93
        Geordie Scoot says:

        There is no way on earth that Labour will give up its current in-built advantage in the current voting system. Their only proposal to date is single AV, which would serve only to entrench further the Labour bias. Brown’s proposal is his usual fient, designed to drive a wedge between Clegg and his Party.

        As for the Tory Party, they can choose to either tear themselves apart now with recrimination, or deal with the realpolitick here.

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        Desert Rat says:

        Can’t fault Camerons approach. Brown has to be removed from No 10 pronto and destroyed

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    • 92
      South of the M4 says:

      “….Brown is dangling a much, much better offer.”

      Except, of course, Brown will not honour it.

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        johnny says says:

        If only it were “Brown is dangling. A much, much better offer.”

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          gildedtumbril says:

          Agreed.Unfortunately, the ‘Three horse race’ consisted of three traitorous donkeys. They all piss in the same pot and are chums behind the scenes.
          I would much prefer to see all three ‘dangling’ .
          And now we face the prospect of the end result of Prudence’s mismanagement.
          In order to prop up the administration, and because we are at war, we may need VAT at two rates. The two rates would echo those tolerated during WW2 namely 33.3 and 66.6% Purchase Tax. Tax and treachery are the only two things these bastards are good at. Oh dear, I forgot expenses fraud. They all excel at that.
          Bastards.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Expenses fraud didn’t prevent many of them getting voted in again.
            Never under-estimate the intelligence of the general public is a truism that seems to have escaped the attention of the “knowing experts” that predominate in this blog.

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  11. 13
    Gobshite says:

    Liberals not Socialist?

    Just semantics, surely?

    They have too much of the Progressive Left in their ranks, and not enough Classical Liberalism.

    Apart from that, it is a very good idea.

    Any idea that involves the destruction of Labour is a good one!

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      Kevin Richmond says:

      I tend to agree with you…
      Cameron’s offer will give the LibDems a real opportunity to show where they stand.
      Are they genuinely “different” or just another version of socialism? hhmmm

      If they reject Cameron and do a deal to prop up the insane Brown Gang, they will destroy their own support for a long time. Clegg needs to moderate his demands…and win respect.

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        The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

        The last really Liberal leader of the Liberal party, was Jo Grimond, God rest his soul. An honourable man and a patriotic capitalist. Some might say, a man somewhat to the right politically, of a certain D. Cameron. My how times have changed.

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          Jethro says:

          257 Yes: just forget, for a few moments that D. Cameron is ‘the leader of the Conservative Party’. Mr. Cameron is not a Conservative (“Vote for Change”? Conserve what?), Mr. Cameron is most certainly not a Tory; Mr. Cameron is an old-fashioned Whig (‘You don’t like my principles? I have others’), to whom and for whom ‘money talks’, and whose end is power, whose means is spotting an opening, getting through it, and then widening it. I think the British people have actually, in their muddled, inchoate way, spotted this – and that’s why they have so narrowly trammelled his success: give him a few months on a tight rein, and see how he performs. I am utterly convinced that had he dared to offer a clear alternative to Labour, presenting Conservative ideas on Sovereignty (No to Lisbon), Education (Yes to Grammar-schools), the Economy (“… proceeds of growth”, for heavens’ sake!), Defence (either equip the Queen’s forces superbly, or bring them home), Law and Order (Punishment – yes: punishment! – of criminals, not of the law-abiding), Freedom (immediate dismantling of the Stasi-surveillance-state, re-instatement of the Englishman’s right to be rude, curmudgeonly, good-humouredly p***-taking) – we would have given him a clear Mandate.

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          • Kevin Richmond says:

            Has Cameron not promised some of those things since his time as Tory Leader?
            I recall many speeches by him where he has referred critically to Labour’s bossy, nanny and authoritarian state. He recently mentioned a “bonfire of Labour laws”.

            Also, we have a situation in Britain where the weight of public opinion is somewhat left of centre and his party has had to adjust over the decades to avoid being marginalised at election time. Labour always offer ever more largesse from the Treasury. How can the Tories offer to take it away and still get elected?

            Not a happy situation but…..

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          • Yay, I've won! Whoops says:

            Bonfire of Labour laws? Rather like Browns own promise of a bonfire of the Quango’s, which never materialised. Dave knows as I am sure you do, most of those “Labour laws” are in fact EU laws, that he can’t touch. Well not without thinking of leaving the EU anytime soon and we both know Cameron’s position on that. Ditto Quangoshire, ditto Regional Development Agencies, ditto much of what has taken place over the last thirteen awful years. Dave want’s change? I wonder just what he can actually change, so long as he is wedded to the leviathon, that controls almost everything in this country.

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  12. 15
    SaltPetre says:

    Clegg just needs to come forward and make a clear statement. This is what the people want – and what the economic market needs. I would like to see a CON-LIBDEM pact…it would not only be the best decision, but reflect what the country truly wants…..I suspect Gorden will be trying EVERY trick in the book to hold on…!

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  13. 18
    Trevor Clemets says:

    Well said GF. The offer was cleverly put and dangles the possibility of Nick Clegg and his more capable supporters achieving an element of government experience without the detriment of tying in with a failed government. But can the loony left part of the Lib Dems be brought in as well as the more rightish minded Tories? Let’s hope so.

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      .243 Win says:

      Interesting comparison between McDoom and Camo tho – at least CMD had a view on the National interest.

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      Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

      Agree, Mr Clemets.

      It’s the extremes on both sides who could scupper this.

      The prize, of letting NuLab self-destruct via a strong lurch leftwards (which will be demanded by their Union masters), is tantalising. But given the power of the backlash against the impending cuts, from which NuLab will glean great strength, they might even end up gaining in 2014 or in any earlier GE.

      We live in interesting times, unfortunately.

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      • 387
        Fred says:

        And the simple fact that Clegg can’t do anything at all without first getting the backing of his entire party.

        Fact is that the Libs have failed to get the backing for a simple coalition in the past and have ended up in daft LibLab pacts because of this.

        Cameon would be mad to indulge in a ConLib pact because it wouldn’t last five minutes.

        The Guardian and the BBC will be sharpening their knives for the new boys right now.

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    • 138
      TH Robin Cock says:

      Of course they can. The’ve voted so get no further say.
      What can they do anyway – throw their lentils about?
      Stamp their sandals?

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  14. 19
    Dave Cameron says:

    I hereby do declare this site Conservative

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  15. 20

    Wishful thinking, there is a rock solid workers union base in UK (just count the votes) and the idea of CON – LIB two party system under PR, is not on the cards.

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      Grumpy Old Man says:

      DcCbuying enough time to do a full audit of UK Plc’s books and present the full picture as to how Gordon has destroyed our financial position could severely dent that public sector union base and quite possibly cause those in the private sector to lose all faith in Labour for a generation or so. 9-12 months in government then DC calls another election just when Labour are fully engaged in the inevitable tribal strife, and there’s your overwhelming Conservative majority.

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  16. 21
    Kevin Richmond says:

    Agreed Guido.
    If managed well, Cameron’s generous offer could spell the end of the Old/New Labour party as we know it …..and its systematic destruction of Britain brought to an end.
    If Clegg really has Brtain’s best interests at heart – and I trust he has — he should seek to join forces with the Conservatives to bring this about.
    He will need to moderate his demands…

    Britain without Old/New Labour might once again be a country worth living in.

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      .243 Win says:

      The birth-pangs would be hard for a lot of people to bear though.

      If you saw Dromey’s performance earlier, you don’t have to stretch your imagination too far to see what sort of ‘spontaneous’ civil unrest would be acted out as the death throes of the ZaNu power base made itself felt.

      Totally agree with the sentiment though – the death of Labour could only be good for the country.

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      • 146
        Mdme Defarge. says:

        God what a thicko. Beggars belief.

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      • 275
        cant hunter says:

        Dromey…before I saw this interview I had feelings of a sort of sympathy for him, being Mr Harman as it were, but after his Paxman grilling (who was caught more than once laughing at him, incredulously) i’m feeling sorry for poor Harriet, after all she is mainly stupid, but her hubby appears to have alot more defects. Loathsome; bring back Simon !!

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    • 73
      Nick2 says:

      Labour will never go away as long as its client state persists.

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        Number 6 says:

        Let’s work on getting rid of that element as well. No more chavistas on the dole, no more mooselimbs importede.

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        Kevin Richmond says:

        Changes to the welfare system would reduce the size of the client state. Seriously downsizing government — maybe closing several ministeries and many other changes — would also reduce it.

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  17. 22

    I sent a text to Gordon Brown…but couldn’t get past the first two letters of his name. I hope he gets the message.

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  18. 25
    The Good Doctor says:

    Destroy the Labour filth. That’s the number one priority.

    We can sort everything else out later

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  19. 26
    JSq Equ says:

    Nelson’s being a twat.

    Government not formed yet, and already the infighting starts.

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    • 109
      Snotty says:

      Nelson is a fucking disgrace if he’s going to start shit stirring over this. The largest number of seats for the party since the 1930s and people are angry with Cameron!

      What the fuck did they expect? The BBC has been peddling the hung parliament line for weeks and now they’ve finally got what they wanted. Under the circumstances, I think it’s a fantastic result for Cameron.

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      • 225
        revolting peasant says:

        But the BBC wanted a Lib Lab hung parliament.

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      • 300
        Anonymous says:

        Well, with the greatest depression since the 1930’s, a couple of wars, unwanted immigration up the wazoo, loss of personal freedoms, huge debt and deficit, shoddy public services, destruction of private pensions, bigotgate, a shower of turds in the cabinet, a universally hated PM then I don’t think it was unreasonable to expect the Useless Fucking Tories to somehow get above 40% of the vote and have a working majority.

        Paucity of ambition, that’s what you fucking Tories have – an unwinnable combination of smugness and complacency. Get to fuck !!

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          Tossflap Watch says:

          Is that you, ‘Fucking Delicious’? We’ve all missed your quaint Caledonian messages on this blog.

          Fucking tossflap.

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  20. 28
    Bub says:

    Frankly, I am sick to the back teeth of all this silly ‘party political speak’ it’s like management speak. I abhor what Labour stands for because they simply do not do what they claim. They take and wreck pensions, then blame everyone else. They cannot stand up and take responsibility – that’s what is wrong with Labour.
    If Clegg and Cameron can work together, a true government of all the talents, then hurray! I just doubt, having watched Parliament religiously for over two years, have seen how little these folk can cooperate without their silly ‘tribal’ behaviours.

    Surprise me.

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    • 327
      MartinFatGuts says:

      I agree!
      Won’t it be a pleasant surprise all round if the LibDems and Conservatives can just get on and start sorting Gordon Brown’s shit out – without the swivel-eyes on the fringes of either party throwing their toys out of the pram.
      Also – wont it be nice on PMQs if MPs stop braying and hee-hawing at each other in the most despicable, childish and frankly astonishing manner, and listen to Nick Clegg for a change.
      The way PMQs is conducted (the most widely reported, regular parliamentary happening) is revolting. If that behaviour happened in ANY other circumstance – people would be sacked and heads would roll.
      When the british public see this sort of behaviour, we don’t wonder that the country is in such a mess. No business would be run in this way.

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  21. 28
    Arch Stanton says:

    If Clegg has any sense he will try to stay Neutral.

    Let Cameron form a minority Govt, and do not oppose the queens speech.

    Liebour will implode and hopefully we will have seen the last of the Deranged one

    Cameron does not have to offer Clegg anything, let Clegg prop up Liebour the Country goes Bankrupt, the IMF roll in and a Conservative Landslide in 6 to 9 months

    Castastrophe for the Country but we face one anyway it is just a mattter of how awful it becomes.

    Time to pack ones bags I fear

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  22. 30
    Jacquie Smith says:

    Can I come and play with your team? Things here are a bit quiet now.

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  23. 32
    Trevor Clemets says:

    Brooding Mama. 2014 is far too soon for this electorate to return to Labour – unless a complete mess is made of it now and in between. Times will be hard but …..

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    • 40
      Brooding Mama says:

      Oh, don’t you worry about that… Cameron and the ‘Boy’ George will quickly fuck it all up.

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        Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

        I hope they don’t, but the scale of the challenge is such as to more or less guarantee failure.

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  24. 34

    I’m fed up, fuck this. My town needs some good English Democrats.

    England for the English.

    Everyone else can fuck off!

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  25. 36
    Yarnefromhorsham says:

    Do the deal. It makes sense. Off topic. Does Bercow automatically become Speaker?

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  26. 37
    Camus says:

    The outgoing Labour government has shown its “statist, big government” credentials by flagrant subsidising with taxpayers’ money of the the profits of the private companies running the public services. Where this all leads is the debacle currently reaching a very costly endgame on the London Underground. It isn’t expenditure on the true public services which should be curtailed by the new tenants of No. 10 and 11 Downing Street and their coalition colleagues, but any plans for further privatisation (sorry, “reform”) of such services.

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  27. 41
    page 3 says:

    Mmmh guido 2 non-socialist partys competing is so sexy you naughty minx.

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  28. 43

    Cameron’s statement:
    I think you’re right about part of Cameron’s motivation – putting socialism back in the bottle. The problem is its not what Tories have been fighting the election for or what we recognise as Toryism. Nevertheless, it’s a response to what the electorate have said – and you can’t buck the electorate. We are where we are and have too make the best of it, etc. The LDs may not accept Cameron’s offer of course. In which case he can say to the electorate I tried to respond the way you seemed to want, now just let me govern and deal with parliament as best I can.

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  29. 45
    The Dirty Rat says:

    I agree with Nick.

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  30. 50
    Anonymous says:

    Have to agree Guido

    As part of the reform of parliament and the voting system they simply have to bring in the cap on donations and instantly the labour party is sealed off from the Union’s money…without them to bail out their own party they’ll simply go bankrupt.

    I’m also presuming that the shrinkage of 10% of the members of HoC will also have greater impact upon Labour seats than Tory ones

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  31. 51
    GM says:

    One of your best posts – that has got to be the project, and yes, it is a historic chance to properly realign British politics. Cameron ‘gets it’ – will the rest of the Tory Party?!

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  32. 52
    Dack Blog says:

    What is Dimbleby bumbling on about? (Stuck with BBC at work). If he was a horse you’d shoot him, the dithering old luvvie buffoon.

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  33. 53
    Anonymous says:

    yes yes yes! Guido!

    what is the twitter taggy thing for this?

    ##daveandnick ??

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  34. 57
    Harriet Harman says:

    But I want to be prime minister!

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    • 77
      Gordon Brown says:

      But I’m Prime Minister and that’s how it stays

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      bandersnatch says:

      Did anyone see the interview with Harperson when she almost exploded at seeing the leadership of the Labour party escaping her? Can’t remember who the interviewer was. Probably Brillo. He’s been putting himself about all over the place… mostly to good effect.

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  35. 58
    horse trader says:

    So when are we gonna see some action then?

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  36. 61
    The last days of Labour says:

    I wonder how many Labour wins were down to Muzee postal fraud?

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    • 69
      diversity outreach coordinator says:

      A good question for plod, but where are they?

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    • 105
      Yorkshire Counts says:

      Some folk couldn’t get into their polling stations to vote round here because they were already full of bulging postal vote sacks, previously delivered by strangely muscular ‘women’ in burkas……..

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  37. 63
    Animal says:

    Questions.

    1. Why is that murdering b*stard Campbell still being given publicity for his pathetic, tribalist bilge?

    2. Why is Mandelson being similarly given airtime to effectively dictate who might be leader of the Liebores – and, let’s not forget, possibly be the next PM?

    3. Is Birmingham Erdington embarrassed yet for choosing an utter pillock in Jack Dromey, who has already shown his true colours in being a walking denial board for the abject failure of his own party to retain the mandate of the people despite representing a union organisation that claims to do just that?

    4. Why the hell is Whelan smiling? His mate has been kicked so hard between the legs in this election his tonsils will be doing the hand shandies for a long time to come.

    5. Why is Cameron bothering? Stick Clegg in a corner, push him into the coalition from hell with McRuin and get another GE before the end of the year as the country falls into a huge hole and consigns Liebore and the sandalistas to the back benches for good.

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    • 74
      Animal says:

      Another question. Why is Jeremy Vine walking round that CGI set as if he has olympic-class piles needing urgent attention?

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      • 190

        ‘Why is Jeremy Vine walking round that CGI set as if he has olympic-class piles needing urgent attention?’

        Because Nicky Cambell has been putting his peewee pecker up Vine’s pooper, as a consequence Vine’s bumhole hurts.

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      • 245
        johnny says says:

        It’s as if the camera is too low for him and he hunches over to be in shot. Especially when reading the monitor to see the figures floating behind him.

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        • 347
          MartinFatGuts says:

          Because the conservatives took Rupert Murdoch’s 30 pieces of silver.
          Dave made it quite clear he was going to “slash and burn” the BBC.
          The BBC luvvies are quaking in their shiney-shoes.
          Rupert Murdoch’s laughing all the way to the bank.
          (PS Sky HD subscription increases attributed to no-one being able to afford to go out of an evening for a traditional binge-drink….. disgraceful)

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          bandersnatch says:

          It’s because he is pretending to be Peter Snow… or whatever his name is that used to walk and gesticulate like that when he did the 3D graphics.

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    • 229
      Rip Van Winkle says:

      Point 5. Agreed.

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      • 248
        Brown's Buggered Britain says:

        Except that if Clegg goes with Labour, he’ll get his PR – and it won’t be so easy for the Tories EVER to get back.

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          g1lgam3sh says:

          There would be no way they could get that through before it all collapses.

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          Animal says:

          You are assuming that PR would be voted in by the electorate in a GE. dangerous assumption.

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  38. 65
    Daedalus says:

    The next administration will be blamed for the austerity measures that have to be introduced and have to cope with Greek style civil unrest.
    Under these circumstances, any coalition will fracture at the seams into mutual blaming (hell, the Tories could probably do that just by themselves).
    In a Con/Lib coalition, the Tories will get blamed for being “neo-Thatcherites” and be rendered unelectable for another 20y.
    So the best thing for the Tories (if not the country) is to discover themselves unable to find enough common ground with the LibDems, and so allow a Lab/Lib coalition to preside over the fiscal and financial crisis to come, and so be in a better position to win the inevitable re-election when the stress of crisis fragments their administration, and both can be blamed for it.
    Play the long game, Dave. The long game.

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      Brown's Buggered Britain says:

      That MIGHT be a good strategy for the Conservatives – but what about us poor sods?

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      • 243
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Brought it on yourselves. Too many of you voted for the wrong party.

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          The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

          Dave played a great game, he lost at least 20 winnable seats by refusing to offer anything substantive, on immigration or the EU.
          He would have a working majority now, if he had addressed these two issues alone.
          What is going to be his line on Lisbon, now it is coming back for re-ratification?
          Will Clegg approve, if he makes it plain it can only be decided by referendum? As if, LOL.

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          • Cucumber says:

            There’s no need to re-ratify anything. It’s a ‘technical measure’. It’s a ‘Treaty’ and not a ‘Constitution’.

            Move along there. Nothing to see.

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      Anonymous says:

      Yeah, lets hope the LibDems don’t bite.

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    • 297
      BobRoberts says:

      This has a ring of sense to it. Been thinking it myself since this morning.

      The only worry I have is how much McDoom as PM and Cable in the treasury could hoon things up before the thing implodes?

      IMF? Bring in PWC to put the UK into administration. -10 points and relegated? :)

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      Gordung Brown says:

      Agree ! but the risk as 1n 244 is :-

      Except that if Clegg goes with Labour, he’ll get his PR – and it won’t be so easy for the Tories EVER to get back.

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  39. 66
    The last days of Labour says:

    Charles Fatty Clarke was a very poor loser. He refused to shake hands with the Lib Dem who beat him. No dignity in defeat. Now go away and die, you obese c-unt.

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  40. 71
    RavingMad says:

    Whilst Brown stays put nothing is going to change. The chief spoiler, with a long history of getting in the way, seems intent to bide his time – all for our benefit of course – and let the country sink further into debt and further into the directionless mire he is so good at navigating. Brown the spoiler has to be removed

    Cameron for his part is playing a pretty signifigant role both as statesman and as deserved winner of the election. Let’s hope this is resolved quickly in Cameron’s favour.

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  41. 72
    The IMF is coming says:

    Nick you still have 3 lifelines left; phone a friend, 50/50 ask the audience?

    Like

  42. 75
    Backwoodsman says:

    Hopefully they’ve simultaneously got a legal team ready to file legal challenges against a couple of dozen labour mp’s, for voting irregularities. Get them taken out of the game and things look brighter.

    Like

  43. 79
    BLINKY BALLS IS BACK says:

    I am awaiting your congratulatory phone call.

    Otherwise, it’s back to the Tower at dusk, for more stretching exercises.

    Like

    • 107
      John Bercow and the association of Polish aircraft manufacturers and allied trades says:

      Well done blinky. We’re both back and this time it’s personal.

      Like

      • 273
        BLINKY BALLS IS BACK AND UP FOR IT. says:

        Stop smearing me Milliblink.

        That helicopter was fine when WMD ( Whelan, McBride and Draper) took it on a test flight on Wednesday ( well, apart from Whelan throwing up on Draper ) .

        Damn sure it is personal it IS personal between us Milliblink.

        You will be floating face down in a Maguire Toilet in Morley before the week is out.

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  44. 81
    The last days of Labour says:

    Thousands of people die across the world every day. Why can’t Mandelson and Campbell be two of them? Evil, odious, criminal c-unts. Fuck off and die slowly.

    Like

    • 168
      oops they've done it again - bankrupted by Labour says:

      Too right. It is indeed a deeply unjust world when kids like mcCann, Holly what’s her name and jessica chapman die young and freaks like the Milliband brothers survive to adult hood. Something definitely not right there.

      Like

    • 276
      bergen says:

      Not sure about Mandelson-I detest him but also have to doff my cap at his sheer chuzpah and deviousness.He’s someone you’d rather have on your side.

      On the other hand I’d cheerfully raise a glass to Campbell having a quiet walk in the woods like poor Dr Kelly.

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  45. 83
    Real Politics says:

    Do the Lib Dems really want to get into bed with Neutered Labour? Perish the thought.

    Like

  46. 84
    Anonymous says:

    The Spectator cannot support this? The Spectator can’t even proof read itself anymore; put your crappy little fanzine in order first, Mr Nelson, before you opine on matters of State.

    Like

  47. 85
    Muhammad Jihad says:

    Me and my 82 million relatives helped Labours to wins with our postings votes! Allah akbar!

    Like

    • 222
      Wayne & Wayneta Slob says:

      Hit wasn’t just yous, me an’ all me bitches an’ asbo possy on da dole helped.

      Massiv up yourself to me public sector possie.

      Like

  48. 88

    Can’t say I agree. Some of these Lib Dem activists are to the left of Tony Benn.
    Heath and laws and Clegg are probably OK, but they have that loony asylum/Tobin tax in the manifesto for a reason. they want it in there.

    However I would sign a pact with Satan to get rid of Brown. So, and with a due sense of imminent catastrophe, olive branch extended…

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  49. 88
    December 25 1989 says:

    Send the SAS into Downing Street and put the bodies on public display.
    Everything else will then fall into place.

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  50. 94
    Gordon says:

    This is all that Bigoted woman Mrs Duffy’s fault.

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  51. 95
    Anonymous says:

    Who will rid us of this turbulent leech, Brown?

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  52. 96
    Curtis LeMay says:

    Brother Guido,

    How in blazes can the Tories enter into a worthwhile coalition with the eurofanatic limp-dems??

    Those clowns in yellow would sell their souls to Brussels in a heartbeat…

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    • 148
      Herman Van Rompuy and his Persian cat says:

      Mr Clegg we’ve been expecting you. Who’s your shy friend?

      Like

      • 261
        Curtis LeMay says:

        Dear Herman,

        My shy friend is…none of your business, but she has big tits.

        Back to the point, FOR FUCK’S SAKE – put the Tories in power!

        You boyos forget how critically important this election is to the world. Yeah, the whole damn world…

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    • 450
      Anonymous says:

      Sold, long ago.

      Like

  53. 97
    George Osborne says:

    Can I get into bed with Sarah Teather?

    Like

    • 121

      She’s a big woman George, will there be room?

      Like

      • 137
        .243 Win says:

        Just got a mental image of the room available inside Ms. Teather.

        Ta TT, mind bleach required…..

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        • 160
          Mdme Defarge. says:

          Talking of Sarah’s anyone had a Twitter from Magda? Or has she been struck mute now she knows the game is up?

          Like

    • 183

      Fuck off Osborne – she’s mine, I tell you! Mine!

      Like

      • 339
        Can't remember my moniker says:

        Paragnostic. As a former finance man, I suggest that there is a difference between the approaches of Osborne and yourself. It is the difference between usage and ownership (e.g. leasing versus HP). Get that sorted out and maybe you can both be happy!

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  54. 98
    Animal says:

    Bevaniteellie is reduced to congratulating minor councillors winning the odd seat here and there. And her laptop is playing up.

    She’ll most likely be off on a little trip on a friend’s dad’s yacht very soon to wail about the injustices of it all while tucking into some lobster, the hypocritical idiot.

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    • 232
      ST says:

      I know I fucking can’t stand her. Contempt for spoiled socialists is the only acceptable class hatred.

      She is utterly vacous, patronising and loyal to the point of being an imbecile.

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  55. 99
    Big Ben says:

    You’re never going to destroy the Labour party you fool. I’m not trolling – I’m being serious.

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    • 141
      Animal says:

      For years Liebore has only survived due to the continued generosity of the unions while they both see their membership dwindle away. They can’t both carry on and the Jurassic politics of socialism will end, freeing us from their tyranny.

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      • 965
        Anonymous says:

        That would be true if it wasn’t for state sponsored money laundering. Since 2005 Labour have been giving millions of taxpayers £ to the unions in grants who then give it back to the Labour party in donations. I think it’s called the union modernisation fund.

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    • 171
      Mdme Defarge. says:

      No but you can reduce it to a harmless rump of demented Marxists, trade unionists, the mentally ill and chavs – totally unelectable.

      Like

  56. 101
    RAM says:

    Surely Guido electoral reform such as PR means that Tories will never have an outright majority

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    • 258
      Labour cheats says:

      The electoral reform that Cammo mentioned was to make all seats have roughly the same number of electors. The current system hugely favours the Labour party and if that was corrected Dave would have had a working majority now.

      And there’s the postal vote scandal…

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      • 356
        RAM says:

        yeah but that’s not what the Libs want, if the Libs are clever they’ll spot their once in a generation shot at PR.

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        • 775
          Kevin Richmond says:

          Maybe, but the LDs may be persuaded that normalising consituency vote-sizes will already give them a lot more seats in future elections, at the expense of New/Old Lab
          or whatever buzzy name they’re about to call themselves after Brown is flushed away.

          That may get the LDs to back off their demand for STV-PR.

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  57. 102
    Election frolics says:

    Sooner we have a Tory government in place, sooner we can ban the burka and start deporting all the fanatical Muzee c-unts who live off welfare and call for our deaths at the same time. Allah up your arseholes.

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  58. 103
    It was UKIP wat dun 'Im in says:

    The following 17 seats were all lost by Call m’Dave by @ 1000 votes or less and in which UKIP took more than 1000 votes.

    Breaking promises and pissing off yr core vote does have consequences.

    Hat tip a poster on EUReferendum

    1. Telford
    2. Somerton and Frome
    3. Plymouth Moor View
    4. Morley & Outward
    5. Newcastle-Under-Lyme
    6. Bolton West
    7. Great Grimsby
    8. Walsall North
    9. Walsall South
    10. Southampton Itchen
    11. Dorset Mid & Poole North
    12. Wirral South
    13. Solihull
    14. Wells (LD gain from Con)
    15. St Austell & Newquay
    16. Derby North
    17. Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East

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    • 112
      Steve Expat says:

      Cameron wasn’t the one who broke his promise on the referendum. Gordon Brown was that man.

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      • 121
        Echo says:

        Agreed. Hope UKIP have run out of money by the time of the imminent next election

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        • 195
          13eastie says:

          Those planes aren’t all that cheap.

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          • Nick Clegg, empty suit, empty head says:

            Erm I think you will find we are still around and still determined to get out of the EU.
            I think you will also find, that come the re-ratified Lisbon treaty ( by Dave and approved by his new bezzy mate Nick ) EU taxes, EU demanded, austerity measures and continued diktats, that Dave and Clegg are so supine about.
            There will be a lot more of us out there, come any new election.

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          • 13eastie says:

            Why the fuck are you complaining about Nick Clegg?

            It is thanks to UKIP’s had work that we will shortly have Nick, his Lib Dems, and all their wonderful ideas about Europe, right at the core of the UK Government.

            So, erm, thanks.

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    • 120
      Yorkshire Counts says:

      Add to those the ones affected by B&P votes, because none of the major parties has the balls to tackle the immigration issue.

      Maybe then Cast-Iron Dave will finally work out what needs to be in the next manifesto to get a proper majority from proper conservative voters.

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    • 126
      .243 Win says:

      Still wouldn’t have given him an overall majority.

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      • 264
        Joe Bloggs says:

        Yes it would. 17 gains also means 17 losses for the opposition making a difference of 34.

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        • 308
          do the math says:

          No needs 326; has 305, new total wd have been 322.

          Also not factored in possiblity that those voting UKIP wouldn’t have gone elsewhere – EDP, BNP etc. or that Pro UKIP poicies wouldn’t have aleinated voters coming fromt he left to Cameron.

          Wishful thinking.

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        • 315
          It was UKIP wat dun Dave in says:

          it’s 19 now or a 38 seat turnaround.

          1. Telford
          2. Somerton and Frome
          3. Plymouth Moor View
          4. Morley & Outward
          5. Newcastle-Under-Lyme
          6. Bolton West
          7. Great Grimsby
          8. Walsall North
          9. Walsall South
          10. Southampton Itchen
          11. Dorset Mid & Poole North
          12. Wirral South
          13. Solihull
          14. Wells (LD gain from Con)
          15. St Austell & Newquay
          16. Derby North
          17. Middlesbrough South & Cleveland East
          18. St Ives
          19. Dudley North

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          • Dave Cameron says:

            I am doing just fine without all those “little Englanders” “nutters” and “closet racist’s” with my new best pal, Nick.
            The average Lib Dim supporter loves the NuTory party, don’t they?

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    • 528
      more sleaze says:

      I was hoping Nige would stick it to Bercow but I agree they’v shot us all in the foot(feet?).
      This pic http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7686463/Nigel-Farage-of-Ukip-plane-crash-in-pictures.html?image=8 of poor old Nige with his head in the dirt sort of sums it up.
      I hope Nigel and the pilot both recover fully but I fear the country may not.

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  59. 104
    Anonymous says:

    Completely agree! Who the heck is Fraser Nelson.

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  60. 106
    Watt O Tyler says:

    Guido just lost the rest of his minutes of fame to Dudley North. Never mind fatso there will be another election soon or you can be a General in the rebel army

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  61. 108
    Steve Expat says:

    BBC quoting Con source saying that phone calls will start tonight between Cons and LDs

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  62. 110
    Kaks says:

    Priority number 2 after destroying Labour is strip down the BBC and rid it off its disgracefully biased staff. They are the mouthpiece of Labour and have to be dealt with accordingly. The BBC has tried to shaft the conservatives big time.

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    • 182
      Mdme Defarge. says:

      Dear God did you see last night’s coverage on a boat? Full of pissed up luvvies quaffing champers at our expense. Even bloody Bruce Forsyth. WTF? Last tango for them?
      The BBC’s complaints board is white hot today. I watched ITV it was much better and actually did seem to be about politics.

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      • 281
        revolting peasant says:

        Agreed. The BBC was crap. Biased reporters and presenters, muddled results, arse-lickin Labour luvvie celebrities filling in time that should have been devoted to decent analysis. ITN and Sky were streets ahead in coverage and content.

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        • 391
          BBC metropolitan liberal bias says:

          Erm, I think you will find the Lib Dims are the BBC’s, party of second choice and as such will big up the Tories new “partners”, while of course dissing to the max, anything even remotely conservative ( with Clegg’s parties blessing ) on offer.

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  63. 111
    Pamplemousse says:

    It is Ukip that’s stopped Cameron getting an overall majority. I hope you’re all very pleased with yourselves skimming off votes.

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    • 136
      Number 6 says:

      Well, if Davey boy stuck with his ‘cast iron’ guarantee on the EUSSR constitution we might not have left. He and little Nicky will get on well as they bothe lurve the EU.

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      • 158
        acctim says:

        *facepalm* And you UKIPers can sthcream and strhcream until you’re sick? And as an encore you can organise a mass display of biting off your noses to spite your faces? UKIP = self indulgent blinkered maniacs.

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        • 208
          Anonymous says:

          Well, Dave lost his majority over this. They still don’t understand that we’re pissed off with lies and broken promises.

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          • Dave and Nick, two peas in a pod says:

            Pearson offered to stand UKIP down at the election, if Cameron gave a promise regarding a referendum on EU membership.
            Cameron told him to piss off, obviously feeling we would all come running back to mummy in fear of more Brownwellianism and give him his majority.
            Didn’t quite work out did it?

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      • 199
        Anonymous says:

        Too right. Only himself to blame. I couldn’t give a shit which coalition is formed – they’re all up the arse of the EU global governance cabal.

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    • 164
      Steve B says:

      Yeh, I mean who’d have principles and actually stick to them?!

      Anyway Cameron has made strategic mistakes. One simple policy, a ref on EU Membership (And to preempt arguments he could have refuted accusations of euro nuttiness by pointing out it’s the same as those lovely Lib Dum boys) could have swung this election.

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      • 203
        Busted Nokia says:

        trouble is Cameron and his inner circle must have thought of the EU in/out ref. after scrapping the cast iron guarantee but drew back from this as well..

        it all looks very very bleak

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        • 415
          Dave and Nick, two peas in an EU pod says:

          There is going to be another election within a year to eighteen months time. By then, Cameron will have re-ratified Lisbon without a referendum, the EU will be demanding EU wide green taxes, the much vaunted low carbon economy will cause even more job losses and escalating prices, plus squeezing the poor and middle class to pay for all the previous insanity, means there will be even more of us around at the next vote.
          The phoney Cameron change revolution, still born at birth, will look just like Obama’s does right now in the USA, a tired lie.
          Question is who will the people turn to, the liars and failures, or a new direction?

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    • 1045
      Clunking FRISP says:

      Cameron went back on a manifesto commitment, lets be fair if he can’t outwit Brown after the cluster fuck he made of the economy, he probably does not deserve the position.
      They said that the tories were easing of Brown at PMQs because they wanted him as leader, well the parrot was no good in a debate. Bring back David Davis

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  64. 113
    smashtheunions says:

    it’s time to eradicate the labour strongholds. deep savage cuts? keep it focused on the leftie north.

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    • 180
      TH Robin Cock says:

      A major factor is Scotland and to a lesser degree, Wales. They have their own arrangements anyway so perhaps it’s time to set them adrift. Not possible with the LD’s in tow, though, as they rely on the fringes for their seats.

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      • 406
        13eastie says:

        “Not possible with the LD’s in tow, though, as they rely on the fringes for their seats”

        Not really:

        UK Lib Seats: 57/650 = 8.77%

        English LibDem Seats: 43/532 = 8.08%

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  65. 124
    Delicious! says:

    The scum geraldine smith is out!!!

    Fantastic,like getting an unexpected birthday present.

    Bliss.

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  66. 125
    Peter from London says:

    I think it’s clear from the result that the country does not want a Conservative Government and trusts Labour more than the other parties. It’s time to move on now and focus on the job at hand.

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  67. 129
    Augustus says:

    My fear is that the LibDems will join Lab with the SNP, Pcymru and maybe NI as a majority.

    Theyd call it a UK coalition to deal with the crisis and GB would stay in power

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    • 139
      The Good Doctor says:

      Fucking bring it on. I give it six months before economic meltdown brings in the IMF. That would destroy ZaNuLieBore and the LDs at one fell swoop. Clegg knows this which is why he’ll get into bed with CMD.

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      • 179
        The LibDems start to realise the enormity of their predicament says:

        The LibDems could not escape “the contagion” of entering into a coalition/pact to support Labour who has lost the election and has polled less votes and won less seats than the Conservatives.They would be finished at a subsequent GE.

        But hey let them carry the can for Brown’s cock ups for the next 6 months and all the blame for austerity measures.Not to mention the majority of the British press writing hostile pieces about them continually

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      • 249
        ST says:

        Correct. Daves holding the cards if he but knew it.

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    • 170
      RavingMad says:

      In what way can the SNP and Plaid Cymru have a say in national matters? They have no remit in England and I’m certain that I would not take anything they said to be any more than trivia – herein is a major, unsorted problem – scottish MPs already determine national policy and law without being responsible for it in their own country, why should this position be incresed to the SNP and PC??? This is not democracy

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      • 252
        Bum Scotum says:

        SNP has to have some say in uk policy as long as there are issues that are not devolved. You should understand that Nation does not equate to english – you clearly have an identity problem. At theast the Scottish parliamentary voting system is fairer than the UK parliamentary one.

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        • 399
          Hammer of the Scots says:

          You are playing pretendy politics in Scotland, living off the largesse of English taxpayers. Rebuild Hadrian’s Wall, cut off the transfer of funds from England to Scotland, and let’s see how long before Scotland turns into a bigger baskey case than Greece… about two weeks in my reckoning.

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    • 181
      Nick2 says:

      Let Brown cobble together a coalition of incompatible interests? Just the sight of the freaks lined up in Downing Street alongside Brown will scare the financial markets!

      IMF here we come!

      And after the fires have burnt out, re-elect the Tories under another leader with a true majority!

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      • 334
        Augustus says:

        True, but on todays results such a coalition would be able to claim the support of 55% of the vote. If they say agreed a 2 year plan they would all support including PR the average person on the street may find that acceptable even if we don’t.

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        • 441
          Dave and CND Nick, two peas in a pod says:

          Todays results are entirely the fault of Cameron and his “advisors”. The win was there for the taking, all he had to do was get tough on immigration and real about the EU. He failed on both counts.

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          • Uranus, The Magician says:

            Nope, it was the fuckwit in Con Cen Off, who agreed to the TV debates who blew it.
            Before those, Clegg was a complete, unknown, non-person!

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  68. 132
    The Good Doctor says:

    Now it’s a “progressive” country according to the Pisshead Pornographer.

    No it isn’t, you c*nt.

    The porridge wogs and the taliban taffies are tribalist fucks, and there are hotbeds of inbred mongoloids (Sunderland) and ballot-box stuffing. But my country, England, is conservative.

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  69. 135
    Steve Expat says:

    Sir John Major now doing the rounds bigging up Cameron and his offer to the LibDems – DC’s wheeling out the big guns…

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    • 448
      Dave and CND Nick, two peas in a pod says:

      Perhaps Sir John might wish to big up some of his other ideas, like theERM and the cone hotline. I seem to recall they both went down very well too.

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  70. 140
    Anonymous says:

    Fraser Nelson is very, very wrong

    What does he think the alternative is? The alternative is not a Tory minority government – it is a Rainbow Coalition of every MP who is not a Tory that the financial markets will run a mile from and will screw our pensions and savings for ever. And it will implement PR anyway.

    Much better for Dave to control the electoral reform agenda by being at its heart (e.g. through setting the referendum wording). Being outside the tent pissing in is a disaster.

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  71. 142
    NBeale says:

    How many votes has the Spectator got for heaven’s sake. These people should leave politics to responsible people. What on earth is wrong with an enquiry?

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  72. 143
    Let Cam Cum says:

    Cameron has all the bargaining chips here. Lib Dems have no money for another fight. Clegg, who has absolutely cocked this up for himself as already said that he would a) work with the party with the biggest votes and b) that PR doesn’t have to be on the table. Cameron should offer the minimum. Let Labour go for it if they want to but they will get a roasting in the press and by default nothing they do or do will have any validity. Brown should resign and take his Cameron facial like a man.

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    • 196
      TH Robin Cock says:

      Are you including the Beeb as part of the press? I have never seen such biased reporting as their relentles output today. Lingering on Liebour results and barely mentioning Tory gains. Unbelievable.

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    • 330
      Blue Lady says:

      If the last Tory Government had sorted out political reform, not PR but equal sized constituencies, then Dave Cameron would now be looking at a huge majority. Campbell and all the other scumbag hypocritical Nuliebore mouthpieces have been saying not enough people voted Tory but the Tories received more votes than Blair did in the 2005 GE where he received a 60 seat majority. Until this bias against the Tories and even the Lib Dems is corrected, we are not living in a democracy. If we were we would have a Conservative Government.

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  73. 144
    Bluebirds over the White Cliffs of Dover says:

    What an opportunity for St.George to ram a barbed lance down the throat of the tyrannical parasitised Labour monster and consign it to history forever.
    Cameron and Clegg do your duty and free the nation.
    Kill the blood-sucking vampire squid – now!

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    • 189
      Anonymous says:

      We won’t be happy until that ugly slug is kicked out of No 10 and consigned to the dung heap.

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  74. 150
    Dead Dave Bounce says:

    New Conservative policy:
    Scrap Trident.
    Amnesty for illegal immigrants.
    More tax.

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  75. 151
    Katie T says:

    Clegg may be the one who gets to decide who governs, but both of these choices look absolutely ghastly.

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  76. 152
    drew says:

    Guido, I like your thinking – I hope Fraser counts to ten and calms down.

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  77. 154
    Jack Frost says:

    Guido, Please explain how the Conservatives and Liberals getting into bed with each other would destroy Labour.
    The Cons-Libs would get the blame for sorting out Labour’s mess (tough love required) and Labour would be the opposition.
    The more likely outcome is that one or both of the Conservatives and Liberals would be damaged.

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  78. 155
    Em says:

    Ignore the Liberals and it could be a serious existential crisis for the Tories. If Cameron drives the Lib Dems into the arms of Gordon, he will be driving them into the arms of a desperate man who is willing to do anything to retain power.

    If Cameron lets Clegg go, Clegg will go to Labour, and he won’t just demand AV, he will demand full PR, and Gordon will give.

    We gotta be clever here.

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  79. 159
    ALEX THE SALMON says:

    I Am a political prostitute and i would sell my soul to the devil so long as i can smell the power me and my party of six mp’s have already signed up with McLost to try to weasel our way into westminster

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  80. 161

    It all sounds good, but the problems will start with the more radical sandal wearers in the Liberal ranks.

    Work together on a ‘carbon-neutral’ economy? Fine, until you remember the antipathy towards nuclear power (the only real hope in the short term for carbon-free secure energy supply) and the anti-motorist agenda of those on the left of the LibDems.

    Sort out the defecit? Again, fine until you start to cut public sector jobs, at which point the Guardianistas will lose their appetite for change and start to disrupt any needed efficiencies.

    Regain our civil liberties? Great, but never underestimate the appetite of those given the powers to reduce other peoples liberties for yet more power – fines for failing to sort your recycling, extra taxes for parking large cars in towns, etc. etc.

    The issue will boil down to one question – how far can Clegg control the left within his own party? If he can persuade them that things have to be done because we simply cannot afford not to do them, then there is a chance that an agreement might work – if not, the LibDems will split and the commonsense rump may or may not be large enough to keep a majority coalition working.

    Good on Dave for trying, but I’m afraid that the LibDems are too much of a mixed bunch to be able to trust in the stability of any Con/Lib coalition.

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    • 259
      ST says:

      Yeah read the “independant” voice article on Lib Dem voice for an insight into the libs looney left.

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  81. 162
    Only Tory in the village says:

    There is more at stake than PR. They are other concessions that can be made. The tories are getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.

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  82. 163
    a muslim man says:

    but what about afghanistan and the dyingy going on?

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  83. 166
    Lescromps says:

    Fuck this for a lark,I dont give a shit what John fucking Majors got to say,I didn;t vote for a torie government. Glegg you shiseter@iwantmyvoteback.

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  84. 169
    marcus aurelius says:

    Problem is that the “Liberal Democrats” are neither Liberal not democratic. When you meet them are all New World Order types : life style Nazis and Green fascists of the worst type.

    Of course its really handy for cast Iron dave to use his trendt Lib Dem mates to silence Hannan and carswell and slip in commitment tothe Euro and the resty of the EU agenda on the side no doubt.

    Dave, see if you can get the “liberal” democrats to agree to 1) elected police chiefs, open primaries, unconditional right for voters to recall MPs. I think that will show you how liberal they are.

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  85. 173
    the chalice in the palace says:

    I for one welcome our new ConLib overlords… etc.

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    • 231
      Axe The Telly Tax says:

      Bring on the Anti-Liebore coalition :)

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      • 319
        Hicks1969uk says:

        Shame not in Tudor times – old Queenie could summon GB and march him to the tower and “off with his head”.

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  86. 174
    khmer marron says:

    meanwhile uk producer price input up 13.1%. fuelled by sterling weakness, an ONS spokesman said…….

    suppose that started in obamastan too?

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  87. 177
    13eastie says:

    DC has put the offer out there.

    He should keep quiet for a bit, leave Clegg to take the initiative and not offer to give anything else at all to the Lib Dems.

    No-one can realistically be expected to implement genuine “austerity” measures in a short parliament or as a minority govt.

    DC should announce that the task ahead is too great to tackle on a confidence and supply basis and that integral involvement from the Lib Dems is needed to ensure the work can be done.

    The onus should be placed firmly on Clegg to work effectively with the Tories for the benefit of the country, such that all other options will involve leaving Labour in situ (and the Lib Dems being responsible for it happening).

    The last two remaining seats should go to the Tories – the Lib/Lab minority would be a topple-able 315, which DC could happily wait to take apart in a year or two, taking a huge majority next time.

    The Libs need to get involved properly in a coalition, take a couple of cabinet positions, and serve out a full term while working together to kill off the Labour parasite.

    An effective full-term coalition could serve as a beauty contest for the next parliament, marginalising Labour for decades.

    There is a real opportunity here for the Tories and Libs and they must not let it pass them by.

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  88. 178
    I HATE SCOTTISH BASTARDS says:

    anyone know what the results are JUST in england?

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  89. 188
    The Liberal Conservatives says:

    A new party is born

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      Hicks1969uk says:

      Now that would be worth voting for – No more labour – Excellent as Mr Smithers would say :)

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  90. 191
    Jess the Dog says:

    Agreed …do a deal. Include voting reform, and make sure the Labour block vote in Scotland is neutralised to allow Tory majorities on English issues. Europe is neutralised as an issue, Trident can be worked around.

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  91. 194
    The IMF is coming says:

    This would mean that Toilets and his rag would be the only newspaper in support of the Labour Party.

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  92. 198
    Shami Chakrabarti says:

    “Liberty will use all legal and campaigning means to ensure that this disgrace is never repeated.”

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    • 233
      Nick2 says:

      To be fair, the Liberty comment is in the context of voter disenfranchisement.

      “Liberty announced today that it is looking into allegations that hundreds of potential voters were disenfranchised amid chaos at polling stations around the country. ”

      http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/news-and-events/1-press-releases/2010/07-05-2010-voting-chaos-liberty-investigates.shtml

      Some of Shami Chakrabarti’s views are poisonous IMO, but the above isn’t one of them.

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    • 977
      jm says:

      People not getting to vote was caused by Labour supporting students showing up without voting cards, intending to cause havoc and stop others from voting. Plus it’s kept the more important issue of mass fraud concerning postal votes out of the news. Labour should be dragged before the courts for the corruption that has taken place.

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  93. 200
    Gobshite says:

    Comment on Al-Jabeeba

    #
    1559

    Gareth Kerr from Mid Glamorgan, Wales, writes: In all honesty, I would support a Tory Lib Dem alliance. Here in the Rhondda, a police van is driving around and thanking people who voted Labour over the loudhailer. I always thought the police were A-political but under Labour they have changed drastically. Time now for serious change. Have Your Say

    The f***?

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  94. 202
    I havent a clue cos I'm still on the piss says:

    Not really that smart myself but big bad al looks like he’s back on the piss again from what I see on telly – or maybe it’s controlled dumbing down

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  95. 206
    Mark Oaten's Lunch says:

    Don’t worry PC Plod will sort it all out.

    This is from BBC 24 News ………..

    “1559 Gareth Kerr from Mid Glamorgan, Wales, writes: In all honesty, I would support a Tory Lib Dem alliance. Here in the Rhondda, a police van is driving around and thanking people who voted Labour over the loudhailer. I always thought the police were A-political but under Labour they have changed drastically. Time now for serious change. Have Your Say”

    Move along now – nothing to see.

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  96. 210
    lord mandelson says:

    I’ve called the vet, we’ve decided he’s had a good life and to continue it in such obvious pain is inhumane and contary to my plans for milibland.

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  97. 211
    Anonymous says:

    Twitter – parsifal2 a.k.a. Peter Bingle-Chairman-Bell Pottinger

    “Somebody needs to take the blame for the campaign and resign or be fired. Tory activists are angry and depressed”

    Andy Coulson & Clarence Mitchell to go then.

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    • 227
      jocky wilson says:

      Errr… Peter Bingle springs to mind.

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      • 497
        I'm forever blowing bubbles says:

        What about Mark McInnes the so called director of the Scottish Tory Party.
        Useless …. 1 seat in the whole of Scotland.
        Where did all the money go?.
        Sack the lot and start from scratch, I lose hair with more brain cells.

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  98. 212
    Flid the Impala says:

    Given the enormity of the issues facing the country, we need a wartime government of national unity – Cameron as PM, Darling as Chancellor, Clegg as Home Sec, Hague as FS, Clarke as Buisness Sec, Paddy Pantsdown at Defence and Harman serving drinks.

    The retards like Brown, Osbourne and Fox can go and like the windows on the backbenches.

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  99. 214
    jocky wilson says:

    A deal with the Lib Dems is not perfect, but the cancer of socialism must be defeated at all costs.

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    • 235
      lolol the real moniker says:

      How do you deal with Socialism when your joining up with Socialists,Liberal Democrats,the democrat part was all ex Liebour

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    • 247
      barefootcontessa says:

      …and if the Tories join with Lib Dems they (the Lib Dems) will have to take equal blame for the horrors ahead, Their will be horrendous strikes – (Mr. vile Dromey now has his seat and will be stirring it for the unions) that will follow the reduction of the public sector, and the raising of taxes.

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  100. 218
    Pass the sick bucket says:

    Many liberals regard themselves as a touch of old style labour with a bit of green thrown in. How that sits comfortably with conservatism I do not know. The radical changes needed to unpick 13 years of stultifying socialism needs a government free from having to horse trade with a party which is in favour of even more left wing measures. The lib dums need to re-write their manifesto – and quickly. It reeks of leftie wolly CND joss-stick student gesture politics.

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  101. 226

    […] Guido Fawkes urges that now is the opportunity to “reform politics for the better” and heralds […]

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  102. 236
    Watt O Tyler says:

    FTSE and sterling fall as hung parliament confirmed

    http://money.uk.msn.com/markets/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=153304606

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  103. 237
    redcliffe62 says:

    You English though that the Scots were irrelevant and not worth a place at the debate.
    Clearly you were wrong, as they may decide who sits at number 10.
    Had they been at the debate and treated as an equal instead of pariahs they may have taken seats from labour in Scotland, which would have got the tories over the line.
    What will Salmond demand, if SNP onboard a lot more palatable for Clegg to cross over as well.
    Although agreeing a deal with UKIP as mentioned above by someone on my wavelength would have won it for them in a canter. Some people came hom after the Euros, but enough out there to cost at least 20 seats.
    And anti Tory feeling was strong in closely fought seats where tactical voting cost the Tories, even losing to the libs in England against a national swing the other way.

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      Bum Scotum says:

      It’s patent that the scottish labour voters have had sanity and reality bypasses. They either accept that Scoland is part of the UK or commit to the SNP. It is no use to start gurning like the cipher that is attmpting to hold on to power at any cost while the economy contimues to worsen around him.

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    • 326
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Actually we English think that you Scots are a bloody nuisance because as far as you are concerned, every21st C GE has been treated as fighting Culloden all over again. If you would fast-forward your tribal memories by 360 years, we might just get some sensible politics out of you.

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    • 352
      Wine Lake Hater says:

      ‘You English’ – ‘You Scots’ seem to have a problem with a chip on yer shoulder. bet yer an immigrant to Scotland

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    • 446
      Fred says:

      Thing is mate if you vote the same way every frigging time nobody pays ANY attention to you.

      The Scots can be relied upon to vote Labour, so nobody gives a shit about Scoltand, particularly Labour.

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  104. 240

    Well… I’m no fan of Dave, or Clegg, or the Cameroons, or the soppy libdems, but I utterly *despise* labour. Labour are a literal cancer on this nation.

    And while it is true that Call Me Dave is damn near as left wing as Castro, he is still substantially to the right of Brown, Harman et al. In truth it’s the only show in town. I can live with it.

    Besides, proper PR – multi-member STV (accept nothing else, especially not feckin AV) is a big step forward for any minority party. And, with the tories in power, the Right will start leaning on Dave – and they will have muscle, especially if he is perpetually short on votes. We’ve come about this in a dman funny way, but it reall ain’t so bad.

    HOWEVER…. I think I’m right in saying that Clegg cannot deal on his own; constitutionally, this needs to go back to his party – he’s going to have a hard sell getting this past the tribalists…

    BUT when they see what the mere sniff of a deal does to labour… they may jump on it. Because this is the sweet spot in the deal – a formal ConDem pact will rip the hope, soul, purpose out of labour. The ferretocracy will turn in on itself. The bloodletting will be a joy to watch.

    I can live with this – Frazer can go fuck himself. This is a pragmatic solution that has potential to really help the true Right get a permanent voice in power.

    I almost wish I’d voted now…

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  105. 242
    Only Tory in the village says:

    The lib dems share common ground with the conservatives. If the lib dems are truly interested in what is in the best interest of the country then they will tell labour to beat it. If the lib dems do get into bed with labour they will be treated like a common whore. The pimps are likely to walk all over the lib dems and prostitute their ideas and pass them off as their own while back peddling on promises and concessions. Labour undermines everyone, the lib dems would do well to remember this.

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  106. 244
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    Nicholai Clog would make a good DPM
    F*cking useless but it would at least get rid of McMental
    Another plus is the entertaiment to be had from LIBDEM sex scandals, they do them better than anybody else, always have done

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  107. 250
    True Blue says:

    Time for William Hague to come forward.

    Move over Cameron. You had 5 years and one ateempt and didn’t make the grade.

    David Davis where are you? your time has come too.

    Let’s have some real Policies. Tell us what you stand for.

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  108. 254
    simon's says:

    it started in sub-prime bigots.

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  109. 255
    The Sleeper says:

    I wonder if Brown has any realisation of his absolute hypocrisy by preaching his very recent conversion to electoral reform..whilst refusing to do the honourable thing and resign after losing the election with only 29% of the vote

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  110. 256
    Anonymous says:

    Great post Guido

    #200 – that story about the police thanking people for voting Labour is disgraceful

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  111. 260
    n says:

    None of them give a flying f*ck. William Haigh must be getting a few bob for his bullSh*t . At the end of the day we’re all stuffed and not one of these people gives a flying f*ck except those that are on the grand take. Maybe we should question bbc employees who talk about problems with regard to unemployment and financial hardship and yet are outside of and not affected by such trivial matters.

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  112. 261
    redcliffe62 says:

    You all believe in a british parliament, well accept the votes of the British people.
    If you want England deciding English only issues as you do not like the outcome then there is a simple solution. Do your own thing and give the Scots and welsh the chance to have theirs.
    Funny how Scotland in the 80’s had thatcher forced upon them, and 50 labour mp’s and the tories had no mnadate, and similalry in the 90’s when they had no seats at all.
    Now it happens to the English who thought they made ALL the decisions and they whinge that depsiote voting one way the decisions will go against the, British democracy, get used to its idiosynchrasies. Instead of whinging and trying to change it.
    Good job Dunmfries gets english telly so they follow English matters rather than Scotland, an anomaly but still important or Scotland would not have a single tory MP yet again.

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      Rip Van Winkle says:

      You get the oil, you get the Scottish banks (RBS and HBOS) along with their massive debts, you get socialism and we’ll call it quits, eh? And then you can go into a trading partnership with those economic power houses of Ireland and Iceland, just like Salmond wanted.

      Au revoir

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    • 305
      Anonymous says:

      How parochial can the Scots get! – what they do not get is the bigger picture

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  113. 265
    nell says:

    Well I wanted to see the libdems in 2nd place and labour reduced to civil war.

    A conlib pact would do the same job .

    So I hope cameron can make it work.

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  114. 268
    Blue Lady says:

    Isn’t it about time somebody spoke up for England? Thanks to the Celtic anti-Tory vote Brown got as many seats as he did and yet they have their own Parliament/Assembly. Once again England is predominately Tory but Nuliebore have denied us our own parliament unlike every other country in the UK. Apparently the SNP say they will work with Brown but not the Tories. We already have a PM elected in Scotland with very little influence there but lots of influence in England and now we could have a situation where England could be governed by by Brown and Salmond making decisions on English only matters. We need our own parliament now and then we would have the Government we voted for. When are we in England going to say we are fed up of being treated like second class citizens. Brown should be in the Scottish Parliament, he has no mandate whatsoever in England.

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  115. 271
    DC says:

    On the face of it, after i’ve calmed down from being completely p*ssed off with the tories throwing away a huge lead; a lib-lab pact seems the most sensible way forward. If that means PR too, then we’ll just have to suck it up.

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      Shocked of Sheen says:

      Agreed.

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    • 304
      Cheese Lover says:

      Agreed +1. And thick UKIP people prevented several seats from going Conservative which is extremely annoying. By all means protest vote on something that doesn’t matter, like the Euro elections. But this WAS important…
      I do hope they have learnt their lesson for next time.

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      • 310
        Wine Lake Hater says:

        UKIP have a point about the EU – but it got lost in the economic nightmare that is globalisation and which pushed us there>

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      • 357
        Jan says:

        How many people who post here said that they were going to vote UKIP? Shame on them.

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        • 425
          Geordie Scoot says:

          UKIP amassed over 900,000 votes and got not one single seat, but probably cost the Tories quite a few, I’m not sure whther it would have been enough for a majority.

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        • 513
          Nick2 says:

          I said it for one – and still have no regrets. What’s the point of expressing an opinion & then voting contrary to it?

          (That being said, I didn’t actually vote UKIP – because there was no local candidate. But I would if I’d had the opportunity.)

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  116. 271
    redcliffe62 says:

    Credit rating dropping as per Spain next month after Bank Paribas confirm UK is a basket case and too risky to keep rating at AAA.
    Assumes greece and the part time commie molotov cocktail throwers does not bring this outcome about even earlier.

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  117. 277
    Only Tory in the village says:

    The lib dumbs and neutered labour pact will resemble two children squabbling in a bath.

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  118. 279
    DC says:

    Also, anything but Brown and Labour, if that means aligning with the fcking BNP the tories would have to do it. As long as Lab goes into complete civil war, we’re safe.

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  119. 280
    redcliffe62 says:

    Constitutionally Brown has a mandate, I hate him as well but he does legally.
    It seems you english are feleling alittle what it has been like to be under Tory rule the lasyt generation and voting against them gets you nowhere.
    if it makes you active to resolve this matter then do so. Turn the Lords into an English parliament. Solves two problems then.

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    • 343
      Wine Lake Hater says:

      What the UK is a proper written constitution and a proper voting system as befits a 21st century nation that does away with (as far as is possible) the shambles of disenfranchised voters and opportunity for postal/electoral fraud.

      Broon may be ‘constitutionally’ have the mandat but it does not take away from the fact that he neither has the most votes nor the most seats at the election – he has lost credibility to govern. He has shown hiimself quite prepared to turn himself inside out to stay in power – would you buy a used car from this ‘salesman’? As for substituting another ‘face’ as leader/PM them we are back to the pre-election scenario where the PM was not an elected PM.

      There are none so blind as they who do not wish to see

      There are many voetrs who voted through displaced loyaly because he/she ‘hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest’.

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      • 438
        Geordie Scoot says:

        The problem with the post of Prime Minister in the UK is that it has all executive powers with virtually no checks and balances. It is an unelected position and has executive power that Kim Il Jong would dream of. PM should be a directly elected office with a fixed term and a 10-year cap, in the style of the US Presidency. Elections should run side-by -side with general elections. It is farcical that the PM should be a constituency MP, also, becoming PM via a back-door coup without due election a la Brown should be prohibited.

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    • 437
      Fred says:

      Not our fault you Scots voted to be part of the UK. ‘Bout as ridiculous as Wiltshire complaining about having to put up with a Labour government despite never voting Labour. You are Brits from your own choice so get used to it. Wouldn’t actually do you any harm to have a few seats that were actually aligned with what the rest of the country was voting for. Still, if you can convince yourselves to break out of the union then so be it – but with only 30% of the vote going the SNPs way it seems it isn’t a very popular option.

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      • 870
        AC1 says:

        The union with Scotland came about because Scotland went bankrupt (building the panama canal).

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        • 1032
          Geordie Scoot says:

          Scotland did not build the Panama canal but instead poured its meagre resources into trying to colonise the mosquito-infested swamp that is the Darien Gap. That enterprise seems to have many modern equivalents.

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    • 534
      Lil Olmey says:

      ‘Constitutionally Brown has a mandate’ ….. on what basis ? Please explain.

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  120. 283
    U. v. Wilamowitz-Moellendorff says:

    Guido makes an excellent point. Here’s how a deal on electoral reform could consign Labour to history, but without the tail-wagging-the-dog system called PR.

    Consider preferential voting (as in Australia) as a compromise.

    It would a huge improvement for the LibDems over what they have now.

    It will work for the Conservatives provided they can generally win the primary vote over Labour and can count on getting the majority of LibDem preferences. Given the uneven spread of Labour’s electoral support. preferential voting also offers the LibDems the chance in the future to edge Labour out as the main opposition party if the LibDems can lift their vote just above Labour’s.

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    • 456
      The Archbishop of Canterbury says:

      We have AMS in Wales.

      The only problem is that no voter has a fucking clue how it works.

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  121. 284
    I HATE SCOTTISH BASTARDS says:

    EDITOR OF THE THE FT IS BACKIN A LIB/CON COALITION.

    he stated that they could cut spending up north and in particular….scotland as they didnt vote for them..

    WWWOOOHHOOO

    would love this to happen

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  122. 286
    redcliffe62 says:

    If libdems and labour make it work well then tories are on the outside a long time.
    That is what happens in Europe, different parties in almost permanent coalition. Wake up and smell the coffee. Do a deal, bewg to do one if need be, or sit outside for years.

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  123. 287
    Fawkes says:

    I know where there’s a person that knows another person that knows where to get loads of gunpowder. Does anyone have a plan?

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  124. 289
    Brown must go now. says:

    Whatever it takes to kick out the worst Prime Minister (charlatan) ever seen,the worst liar and the worst fraudster Gordon Brown.

    This must be the first aim of any coalition – get him out by Sunday.

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  125. 292
    Clunking FRISP says:

    This Englishman held his nose and voted Tory.
    Now cameroon say’s Britain has voted for change, maybe David, but England has not.
    Once again the Torrries are putting the English last.
    It really is time for an English parliament and Cameron should form a minority Government and bring in English votes on English questions, and if any of the foreigners try to vote on the matter they should be taken out and shot.

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  126. 294
    Bardirect says:

    Cons got nearly 50% of the Labour vote in Scotland but only 1 seat. Cameron should agree to PR for those areas already using that system – for the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly. Problem sorted. No one got any form of mandate for introducing PR in England.

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  127. 296
    Watt O Tyler says:

    Looks like the army don’t like it

    http://www.arrse.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/p=3323768.html

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  128. 299
    The IMF is coming says:

    The ‘triple lock’ I think means that the LD’s will want full PR or nothing. No Deal

    Clegg has stated he will not go into coalition with Brown as leader. Do Labour have the balls to dump him and foist another unelected PM on the UK? No Deal

    The IMF is coming

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  129. 301
    Nunc Dimitis says:

    It’s truly amazing reading some comments on blogs of people’s understanding of a Hung Parliament…from these it would seem that people genuinely thought that this would mean that all the parties sat around a table and cosily discussed how to govern the country and then appointing Cable as Chancellor and others think because Cameron has the most seats that is automatically PM and can’t understand why Brown is still in Downing StreetBloody unbelievable.No wonder we’re in the mess we are………………..although the broadcasting media particularly the BBC must take a lion’s share of the blame for the way they unashamedly touted the Hung or as they called it Balanced parliament idea

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  130. 302
    redcliffe62 says:

    Rip van Winkle, debt in Scotland ongoing is less than in England with its inactive population greater than the whole of scotland and even wales put together. Whgat happened to such a great country, which it used to be.
    Without the oil from future sales as collateral then the IMF will question England’s ability to repay its own 140 billion dolar debt, of the over 160 billion.
    So if you think England i subsidising scotland then laugh, but the GERS reports and company taxes for Head Offices in London for companies such as Scotland’s whisky makers will be put in the right columns.
    Banks were not Scottish, except in name, they are global, as are their shatreholders, and have main offices in Halifax and London.
    Assume you knew that and were just being silly.
    England is in amess without Scotland, PFI madness has to be admitted and the total additional future debt assessed, all looking terrible whetehr you want England to be run by the Tories or not.

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    • 371
      Anonymous says:

      That’s right – trot out the whisky line – away and drink yersel’ to profit. Intersting concept. Which is a bit of a con if you really knew what you were talking about.

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    • 465
      butcher cumberland says:

      what the fuck is this drivel, the sooner we get rid of you lazy wheezy lard arses the better, go fucking make your arc of prosperity, the Cyclops can help

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  131. 303
    Really pissed off says:

    No-one seems bothered about what actually happens in the nation – F*ucking assholes the lot of them – so concerned about there own futures – Revolution brothers the time is nigh.

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  132. 306

    […] more thought on this, backed up by Guido and Alex Massie: If Cameron really won’t budge on electoral reform and ends up not being […]

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  133. 307
    revolting peasant says:

    Last result- Tories keep Torridge and West Devon.

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  134. 309
    Dick Robinson says:

    Just got to repeat that the BBC’s election night coverage last night was an absolute disgrace.

    Huge expensive set, appallingly cheesy computer graphics, hopelessly slow in bringing the results in, more interested in chatting up luvvies than politicos. Just demonstrated how bloated and self-indulgent the BBC has become under New Labour.

    Contrast that with ITV which, while not perfect, was like the BBC coverage of old. Small set, fast results, instant reaction and analysis.

    Didn’t watch Sky so I wonder if someone else can tell me how that was.

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    • 322
      Anonymous says:

      Sky’s coverage was ponderous and full of Boulton. Turned to ITV at about 10.30 and absolutely agree with your analysis. Stayed with it till 4am.
      Only jarring note was interview with Kathy lettes (who always makes me want to pull my ears off) and Fiona Phillips. They didn’t need these nonentities to validate their show – consoling though that Phillips seemed a bit teary – she can see her seat in the Lords floating away.
      BBC was laughable but had lost its way on elections in 2005 and still wandering in wilderness.

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      • 401
        barefootcontessa says:

        BBC prog must have cost FORTUNES. Ridiculous paving stones and graphics with Vine. An expensive presenter at every venue – ie Kirsty Wark hiding behind bushes with the Cleggs.

        They brought in all and sundry, plus, we had to witness the most unedifying guests interviewed at some weird party by Brillo including Joan Collins (who was spot on in her comments).

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        • 462
          Feeling completely deflated says:

          Was it just me or did Kirsty Wark look remarkably like Dame Vera Lynn altogether now…………There’l be blue birds over………………………..

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    • 329
      Sky falls in says:

      Adam Boulton on Sky not my cup of tea and as for Kay Burley,not my cup of anything – cannot stand her.

      Somehow the Sky coverage just seemed cheap and nasty,like their debate.

      I just wish all channels would refuse entry for Mandelson and Campbell – they should be carrying bricks up the steps of a quarry for the rest of their lives.

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      • 403
        barefootcontessa says:

        I agree with your comment about Mandelscum and alistare. .They always manage to barge and insinuate themselves into any discussion anywhere.

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        • 407
          barefootcontessa says:

          How much is that useless old dog Steele getting paid for all his appearances?

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    • 333
      lolol the real moniker says:

      Had both on, ITV was uptodate ,Sky like AlJaBeeb was a waste of C02.

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    • 336
      Kevin Richmond says:

      It was Sky’s first attempt at such an event afaik. It was quite good but they had some issues interpreting the numbers and weren’t really able to show what the ‘swing’ was for each seat.

      I guess it’ll be even better next year ;-)

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      • 396

        Agree.
        BBc ..lumbering.
        Sky ..Boring
        ITV was best.

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        • 712
          Anonymous says:

          Agree.
          BBc ..lumbering.
          Sky ..Boring
          ITV was best.

          Agreed-I watched ITV till we got the “Scottish opt-out”

          I IMMEDIATELY changed (reluctantly) to BBC as I would rather stick needles in my eyeballs than listen to that Scots (Glasgow labour biased) drivel and their nonentities!

          From a Scot

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      • 544
        Nick2 says:

        I saw that Sky were plugging their coverage as ‘The first general election covered in HD’.

        WTF does HD add to political coverage? The ability to count the lines on Kay Burley’s face?

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        • 574
          Zero says:

          You would need a 10 digit calculator to work that particular sum out.

          She does nothing for me – zero personality and almost no femininity.

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    • 566
      Margaret Buckett says:

      Despite the fact that the election itself was a fascinating one, the BBC team was dismayed at the prospect of mass Labour losses and could not summon any enthusiasm. Dimbleby, asleep at the wheel, moaned more than once that there didn’t appear to be any excitement in the proceedings, a damning indictment of his own soporific performance, and a dead giveaway. Paxman has become a predictable and apparently senile old loon, a thoughtless curmudgeon who swiftly deploys confrontation for its own sake. Both should consider stepping down from such events forthwith. The sets were ludicrous, results treated as an afterthought, politicians shunted on like drive-in customers at a burger bar and generally used as wallpaper and the uncalled-for slebs bafflingly irrelevant. I was amazed at how superior ITV’s efforts were, no doubt on a fraction of the BBC’s budget. The worst BBC election coverage I’ve ever seen.

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    • 880
      Click Negg says:

      Dimbledore was a disgrace, pissed or summat, couldn’t get the swing right!

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  135. 311
    Hicks1969uk says:

    I see William Hague is starting to do the tv interviews explaining whats on offer – mmmm interesting where are the senior Labour ministers – I think that they are probarbly in the bunker under Number 10 with the Great leader and wondering if death by the sword is better than trying to give in.

    One can only dream – !!!

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  136. 314
    Stu says:

    Curious and really annoying, Margaret Thatcher got a landslide on a smaller swing than this, but the dodgy boundaries giving Labour an inbuilt majority really have fucked us up.

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  137. 317
    G says:

    Fawkes, what kind of inspiration can you possibly draw from Thatcher’s ‘vision’? In the absence of state power there will be fragmented, competing individuals and interest-groups, not a community.

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    • 380
      Zuleika Dobson says:

      You appear to be suggesting that, without control by “state power”, people would behave in an evil, greedy and selfish fashion – this says more about you than it does about Margaret Thatcher.

      Like

      • 466
        Anonymous says:

        Bankers were ignored. Look what happened.

        No Pension.

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      • 1060
        G says:

        Um, no, I am suggesting that in the absence of higher organizing principles, unregulated private enterprise behaves in an evil, greedy and selfish fashion. The doctrine of Toryism is that left to its own devices, this aggregate of selfishness will magically self-regulate every area of society for the optimum possible benefit to all. Surely that idea is by now discredited. Yet even New Labour bought into it.

        Neither party can deliver ‘change’ as ideological debate is on the surface only. At least in the areas that matter.

        State power can mitigate the psychopathic banditry of corporations who follow a devil’s ideology of ‘chaos is order’, ‘greed is generosity’, ‘division is unity’.

        But in order to offer anything better, the state has to have a positive vision of human possibility. This is glaringly absent from mainstream British politics. All parties regard human beings as consumers and competitors and little else. But in reality, people are crying out for meaning and genuine social cohesion, not just tax-cuts and wealthier, more permissive lifestyles.

        Let private enterprise squabble over the things that don’t really matter – the essentials should be safeguarded by the state.

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    • 449
      13eastie says:

      Yes G

      There were no communities before the advent of socialism.

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  138. 318
    Dave says:

    Hi everyone – is now a good time to tell you all about my ‘Big Society’ ?

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  139. 323
    Gordon Brown's Foreskin says:

    The Labour, Liberal Democrats and other parties have the opportunity to ensure the Conservatives never come into power again. If they form an aggreement to bring in PR at the next GE.

    The conservatives would have no friends that will allow them to carry over 50% of the PR seats – even with UKIP.

    This means that with PR in place the Conservatives are in the wilderness whereas other parties could form convenient alliances as and when required.

    Clegg has an opportunity to kill all chances of a Conservative Government being elected in subsequent GEs.

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  140. 324
    HappyUk says:

    Pleeeease listen to what Guido says – this is an historic opportunity to destroy socialism once and for all. I want to see the Labour Party go the same way as Socialist Labour Party, where audiences of about 5 clamour to see and hear Arthur Scargill And His Amazing Disappearing Combover:

    Surely this is now in our grasp???

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  141. 328
    Watt O Tyler says:

    Constitutional processes after a general election on Parliament channel now

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  142. 332

    BBC now explaining why the LibDems can’t possibly trust Dave

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/05/a_coalition_forged_by_a_sterli.html#comments

    That prick really needs his arse kicking.

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    • 342
      Busted Nokia says:

      bbc and the media are the real king makers – would have been a totally different election without the leadership debates

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    • 348
      Peston & Robinson - very poor. says:

      My impression of Peston and Robinson are of two failed journo’s whose low grade ability has been shown up in the past few years.

      Peston needs to have his tongue cut out so we don’t have to listen to the bizarre nuances of his speech.

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      • 361
        Anonymous says:

        My mother was sure Peston was drunk yesterday – obviously she was wrong.
        It’s odd he’s not had any vocal training though – rather arrogant to think that people should have to endure his strangled vowels

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  143. 338
    The Irrelevance Of Gordon Brown says:

    I had to smile during Cameron’s 2.30pm speech – like the negotiating courses I have done;

    “If you reduce your price by 15%,I will allow you some policy decisions on schools”

    Really good to see how Con and Lib Dems working hard to neutralise Brown and get him out by Sunday evening;

    “The Irrelevance Of Gordon Brown”

    Sounds like the title of a novel.

    Remember Cameron grabbing Clegg to stay on the stage at the first debate as the moron Brown went in to the audience and remember them both outside Parliament with Joanna Lumley and the Gurkha’s when Labour were demolished – they seem more natural working together and of course NOBODY works with moron Brown as he is so offensively self centred.

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  144. 340
    Jan says:

    Balls would have been toast if the UKIP and B and P candidates had stepped down (same in Sutton). Wonder how many more seats the Conservative would have won had these two parties not been standing?

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    • 816
      Susie says:

      They would have got St Ives Cornwall and Edgebaston for starters. The Tories would have had at least another 5 or 6 seats I reckon maybe enough to deal with the Ulstermen and have an overall majority.

      UKIP hasn’t noticed the EU and most especially the Euro is imploding. There is no way the Germans are going to bail out first Greece, then Portugal, then Spain and lastly Italy and Ireland without busting the central bank, We could have stood on the sidelines and made some very good terms for us (like getting back our rebate and CAP reform and even picking and choosing Lisbon) as any threat to leave or even a referendum on Lisbon would have brought the whole show crashing down.

      Stupid stupid stupid UKIP. You crashed and burned us.

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      • 863
        AC1 says:

        Nope, the conservatives did it too themselves. UKIP stood aside where the MP was UK aligned, and campaigned where there was not an anti-EU candidate.

        Maybe the conservatives should be more like UKIP?

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  145. 345
    Anonymous says:

    http://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/pdfs/armstrong-3.pdf

    Armstrong’s note of events leading to Heath’s resignation on 4.3.74

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  146. 349
    Gordung Brown says:

    Listening on 5 Live to that poisonous witch Caroline Lick-arse– 1 MP and her extremist shit is important

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  147. 350
    Hannah Vincent says:

    Nothing’s changed, same old political , ahem, elite running the show.
    PR only the tip of the Kuennsberg, fixed term governments, only 2 terms allowed for a sitting MP, abolition of the House of Lords etc.
    This will not happen with the system as it is.

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  148. 353
    I'm still Shouting At The TV says:

    ..How has that sweaty sock not gone from NUMBER 10?!

    SORT IT OUT! (I’ve had enough of this Brown-induced Tourette’s.)

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  149. 354
    Just do it Dave and let's move on. says:

    Power = choice. End of.

    In sport, one of the hardest things is to adjust the mindset when a win suddenly looks like a draw. Cameron needs to accept the reality – no Clegg, no Power.They should move fast and dump Labour in the bin so that anything they say is irrelevant.

    Offer referendum on prop.rep, Home Sec to Clegg and most importantly St. Vince as Chancellor – the ONLY face who will be able to sell mega-cuts to the public without riots.

    Far,far from ideal but hey that’s reality, 326 wasn’t got, and Brown is gone forever. Not a terrible result.

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    • 375
      Jan says:

      No,No a thousand times no…Cleggie for Home Sec will mean thousands of illegals being given an amnesty.This is unfair and should not be allowed. These people have entered the UK illegally or they are overstayers.They should be removed. How they manage to get free housing and free helalthcare is beyond me.

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      • 390
        Just do it Dave and let's move on. says:

        IMHO illegal amnesty/local work permits probably cost LibDems 10 seats. Unpopular, bonkers and not a deal-breaker.

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  150. 355
    i like gold says:

    i like gold

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  151. 359

    I agree with Guido. Lets look at the bigger picture.

    I would be happy to compromise on voting reform. The whole democratic system needs to be looked at. Cameron agrees with this. Voting reform, thus PR is an important aspect of this. I would go further than Cameron has done so far and commit Parliament to having a free vote on PR, along with other reforms. We cant be dogmatic about this.

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  152. 360

    Political Horse Tr*ding? – Genuine Tories feel Cameron has overstepped the mark – They will not buy the dead horse he is flogging! – http://whogoeshome.co.uk/?p=1088

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  153. 363
    Anonymous says:

    YES!

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  154. 365
    Shauniebabes says:

    In 24 hours the Lib Dems have gone from dangerous socialist peace-nicks to solid dependable conservatives.

    Guido is back-pedalling so hard he should change his name to Lance Armstrong

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  155. 366
    Steve Expat says:

    FTSE 100 down 2.6%
    FTSE 250 down 4.2%
    £/$ 1.47 down 1%
    £/€ 1.16 down 1.6%

    OH FUCK!

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  156. 367
    Mr Nobody says:

    I cannot see PR coming from this. Cameron cannot promise it, and Brown may try to promise it but cannot deliver because a big section of his party would never accept it. Given the arithmetic, any Commons vote on PR would fail by a long way

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  157. 368
    angelnstar says:

    http://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2010/05/07/boris-gets-teeth-into-meaty-metaphor/

    Video here of Boris using a meaty metaphor when discussing the Hung Parliament with Jeremy Paxman. Ever the gentleman, Boris has the most innocent of intentions. Sadly, Paxo drags the subject to a low level, tsk tsk.

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  158. 373
    Anonymous says:

    The Tories should do whatever deal they need to do now to get into power and then immediately give Scotland full and complete independence = Labour party dead and deficit solved in fell swoop. They don’t want us and they’ve run out of oil anyway.

    Actually I’ve always thought that Home Rule for the South East, and possibly some of the prettier bits of the West Country would be a jolly good idea.

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    • 388
      Anonymous says:

      Could Cheshire join?

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    • 424
      Anonymous says:

      Cameron could destroy Labour once and for all if he offered the Lib Dems and Nationalist parties Oz style PR and federalism for the UK in return for their support at Westminster.

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    • 469
      LibLabCon enemies of Britain says:

      So let’s get this straight. You want Britain (and England) broken up just to assure permanent Tory rule.

      And just how is that any better then Labour deliberately flooding Britain with immigrants to assure permanent Labour rule?

      None of the Tory, Labour or Lib Dems nutters get it. This country doesn’t exist for your crappy parties’ benefit.

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      • 837
        AC1 says:

        Is there really a country (i.e. is there a British demos stronger than the English, Scottish and Welsh demos) called Britain?

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      • 1056
        Cucumber says:

        You’re right: it exists for your crappy party’s benefit. Ner-ner-ner-ner ner-na (and no backsies).

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  159. 376
    Truthseeker says:

    Why are sky commentators spinning the fact that the electorate who voted lib dem are more interested in a lib/lab alliance because of the opportunity for electoral reform, rather than the economy or immigration? I would of thought the country has clearly voted for the more urgent topics of the reducing the national debt and the end to uncontrolled immigration.

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  160. 381
    DC says:

    I think the main decision is a clean Lib-Con coallition, or tom cobley and all Lib-Lab coallition with backroom deals to pass anything, with the Prime Mentalist at the head of it all. What a nightmare vision…

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  161. 383
    Clegghorn Foghorn says:

    As Malcolm Tucker “the thin white Mugabe” once said:

    “I’m all ears, I’m fucking Andrew Marr!”

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  162. 386
    Mrs Crewe says:

    Fantasy Cabinet anyone?
    Prime Minister – Boris Johnson – just cos it would be a hoot
    Chancellor – Napoleon – he invented double entry book keeping and vat
    Home Sec – Catherine the Great – she was very strict
    Foreign – General Melchar from Blackadder – do you need a reason!
    Health – Harold Shipman – had a good grasp on reducing waiting lists
    Education – Forrest Gump – more intelligent than Balls

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  163. 393
    Bill Caxton says:

    Q. Which is the odd one out? Captain Kirk, Dave Cameron, or Andrex
    A. Dave Cameron, the rest can wipe out cling ons

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  164. 394
    DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

    Is Brown really still hanging on in Downing Street?

    For god’s sake, man, do try to salvage a shred of dignity from this. It’s really not going to look good to have to be prised out of the place while clinging on by your fingernails.

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    • 489
      RavingMad says:

      yes

      he’s sitting in his playchair being fed his mashed up meal by sarah. he hopes to be able to play ball and have a story read before bedtime.

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      • 624
        restandbthankfull says:

        He’s sitting on his rocking horse saying “I saved the world” over and over again.

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  165. 402
    arturchilingarov says:

    Miliband is just talking about a ‘binary situation’ – referring to his inability to decide whether he has lost or won. The binary situation is a science fiction film in which mad, bad, despised, dying king of a lunar star refuses to admit defeat.

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    • 531
      Wing Commander Spry says:

      Surely Millipedes binary situation consists of a recurring dream of 10……..10……….10………..10

      What a buffoon. Toodle Pip!!

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  166. 409
    Anonymous says:

    Labour supporters need to take a reality check for what really happened was that when Scots voters were faced with the certainty that Middle England was going to vote overwhelmingly for the Tories in a two-horse Labour/Tory fight, the Scots chose to tactically vote for Labour in Scotland in the hope that somehow it would prevent the Tories from succeeding in forming the next Westminster government and it may be that they have actually succeeded in their aims.

    This scenario was always predictable in the circumstances and is a one-off reaction to reflect the visceral hatred that most Scots have against the Tories.

    The scenario does not arise within the Scots parliament where Labour will be engaged in a straight fight for power with the SNP in 2011 and where both parties will be judged on their record and policies for the devolved government of Scotland.

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    • 420
      barefootcontessa says:

      The Scots don’t behave logically. They’d rather keep out the Tories in England than vote for their own good party – the SNP!

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  167. 411
    david says:

    What an odious gutless creep you are, what happened to all that brave talk of the Conservatives forming a minority government and daring the opposition to vote them down, as suggested by Lord Tebbit.

    Farage should order a million membership forms from the printers, there’s gonna be a rush.

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  168. 412
    Mr Wiltshire says:

    If Brown is still there by next weekend it’s time to take to the streets

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  169. 416
    Anonymous says:

    Before they get carried away with euphoria Labour and Tories should be reminded that:-

    Tories + Ulster Unionists can’t form a majority coalition.

    Labour + LibDems + SDLP can’t form a majority coalition.

    The 9 seats held by the SNP and Plaid Cymru are the ones that will make the crucial difference on who forms the UK government and what legislation and budgets that will get passed by the Westminster parliament.

    There is still very much everything to play for the Nationalist parties.

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    • 433
      Cash For Seats (Welsh Branch) says:

      Interesting that Plaid Cymru seats are for sale at $300,000,000

      Is this not the same as cash for questions (except much worse)

      300 Mil, it’s not like we’re in the middle of an economic crisis. is it

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      • 830
        AC1 says:

        Welsh Independence would be excellent for England. Wait till those in Wales see the cost of funding all the sloth in Wales. They got more left wing the more they could leech of England. A does of economic reality would be good for the Welsh people (long term).

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  170. 417
    Hannah Vincent says:

    Brown can’t hang on by his fingernails as he’s bitten them to the quick.
    If the political ‘ ahem, elite give us ingrates a referendum on the voting system then why not on Europe, Capital Punishment etc.
    Just like the 1970’s a referendum will be proffered to make up the politicians minds simply as they’re not capable of making them up themselves.

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  171. 418
    Jake says:

    EVERYONE READ BACKBENCH REBELS BLOG!!!!

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  172. 419
    Anonymous says:

    Are you mad, Guido? PR would lead to an eternal Lib-Lab coalition government, whoever it was introduced under. The two Parties might even merge to form a Social Democrat Party. It would be like fucking Sweden.

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  173. 423
    Eileen Critchley says:

    There is no going back.

    This is the beginning of the end for the Old Tory mindset.

    No one will buy the status quo here on in.

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  174. 426
    Cuse says:

    You lot are fucking deluded. And I am loving it. Watch Sky, read the Sun and circle-Jerk yourselves into a right-wing frenzy but all this media pressure will have no impact on any Tory/Liberal deal. It just won’t happen.

    Clegg is being barraged by Councillors, activists, colleagues and friends saying “You make this deal and you are fucked”. If Clegg does it, he will lose his party and consign the measly 23% of the popular vote he had this time to single figures forever.

    The Lib Dems cannot and will not become bedfellows with the Pudge-faced Loon-herder’s party.

    Dave will limp into a minority government with a weak and de-motivated team and be voted out in the next election – probably around October. Your party’s policies are just too barbaric – and the covers will need to come off now. The public will eat you for breakfast.

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    • 442
      smc says:

      mine is made of blackpool rock

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    • 455
      Mrs Crewe says:

      lay of the coffee you seem wound a bit tight! If the lib dems have an ounce of integrity they have to make a deal with tories as they have both the most seats and largest share of the vote. By lib dems’ own expressed beliefs this gives the Tories the mandate but hey don’t let facts get in the way of a good rant

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    • 457
      Angermouse says:

      Clearly, it is you who is deluded.

      Do you think Clegg would be any less ‘fucked’ if he were to make a pact with Labour?

      The betrayal of forming ‘ a coalition of the losers’ and propping up a vile and discredited party would finish Clegg and the LDs.

      In some perverse way, I hope there will be a Lab/Lib pact and the bastards will have to live with the perfect shitstorm they created.

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    • 471

      Barbaric? I think not – what would be truly barbaric is to enact policies that ensure we carry on spending more than we have, racking up d*bt that we cannot afford to repay and condemning our descendants to slavery, or civil war if the shit really hits the fan and the cuts all have to happen at once.

      Trouble is, most people don’t realise how bad the public finances are, having been insulated from the worst effects of the recession by Brown’s insane money printing exercise. That’s why they think that addressing the problem isn’t urgent, despite the warnings of the Bank of England and the financial m*rkets.

      Clegg can choose to be part of this, or he can choose to keep the activists on side – there really is no alternative to beginning to address the public finances immediately.

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      • 656
        revolting peasant says:

        A Lib Lab coalition is a non starter. Labours inner clique never bothered to consult its own Cabinet or MPs, so it sure as hell isn’t going to consult Liberals about anything.

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    • 814
      AC1 says:

      Barbaric in the socialist dictionary means not punishing people for working and not rewarding them for sloth.

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  175. 429
    ron Vibentrop says:

    Labour couldn’t get the votes brought back from our troops overseas because of the ‘ash cloud’. Obviously this has nothing to do with the fact that every serving soldier would gladly use any member of Labour as a sandbag.

    Bring the troops home and let’s have a coup.

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  176. 431
    trev says:

    Does England exist anymore? -I thought we were a brand new region of the EU now… Brussels may be deciding our fate even as we wait!

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  177. 435
    DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

    WTF is going on with the local election results?

    Labour have gained 7 councils. Why? Why on earth is there a dramatic swing away from Labour in the general election and they are seeing massive gains in the local elections?

    Fraud?

    What?

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    • 444
      Another Engineer says:

      Here it was a split vote between English Democrats/Conservatives/Liberals, and the core ‘We’re Labour Here’ vote staying unchanged.

      A Labour council again. That worked out well last time…

      http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?storyCode=21321&sectioncode=1

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    • 445
      Cuse says:

      Truth of it?

      Tories can’t run councils.

      Look at Hammersmith. It’s like living in a capitalist’s arse crack. You get charged for taking a shit.

      All to save £3 a week council tax.

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      • 491
        DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

        You could have a point there. Merton council is (or was) Tory-led, and has been utterly crap.

        What would have made me laugh, if it hadn’t actually been serious, is a leaflet I got from the local Tories on Wednesday. On the same page as it proudly proclaimed “If you’re sick of Labour’s inability to control OUR taxes: Vote Conservative”, it went on to say “Despite the recession, we’ve spent £2million in the last 2 years alone on initiatives such as new ‘Welcome to Mitcham’ and pedestrian signs”.

        I did wonder if it had actually been printed by the Labour party as one of their dirty tricks.

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      • 763
        Jan says:

        Well,how come Wandsworth is a FIVE STAR rated TORY council? Wonderfully efficient and the lowest council tax in the country? They don’t take any crap from their council tenants.Any trouble and they’re out. They don’t favour asylum seekers and foreigners either. They try to house any homeless outside the borough where it is cheaper. Don’t waste their money on diversity outreach workers either.Best council in the country.

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        • 810
          AC1 says:

          I’ve lived there, Wandsworth is an awesome council. I lived near the border with Lambeth, it was like crossing the border into a third world country.

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    • 447
      trev says:

      This was going to be investigated (EU working party of some sort) last time round when ‘Banana Republics ‘were mentioned re: our voting system, or use of it.
      Nothing happened ,natch… I think Lisbon was the big Thankyou to the EU.

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  178. 443
    Running dog of capitalism says:

    Not a result but ConLibdem coalition is least bad option in circs. All shoulders should be to the wheel to prevent further disasters being initiated by McBroon & his familiars. Real shame Blinky Balls wasn’t unhorsed and now he & Yvette are joined in the his ‘n hers enclosure by Mr & Mrs Harperson. Then there’s the resignation honours: Jonah can hardly fail to enoble his old chum Mad Charlie of Unite. And how does Baron McPoison sound?

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  179. 454
    Fred says:

    Surely the only way to destroy Labour would be to encourage the belief that the Liberal Party is the alternative party of the left. How on earth is that going to happen if the LibDems get into bed with the right???

    If the LibDems climb into bed with Cameron it will taint them forever as a right-wing party under the hood. Anyone remotely left-wing will refuse to touch them. It will finish the Liberal party and boost Labour.

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    • 498
      DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

      You may have a point there, but don’t forget that Clegg promised quite clearly that he’d seek to do a deal with whichever of the main parties had the bigger mandate.

      I’m sure plenty of LibDem voters also would never forgive him if he broke that promise and propped up a deeply unpopular Labour government. I voted LibDem yesterday, and I would never do so again if he did. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

      But it’s true, by doing a deal with the tories, he’ll piss off a lot of left-wing LibDem voters. That, however, I suspect he’s calculated is the lesser of two evils.

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  180. 458
    anonymous says:

    St. Vince: Address to the Nation 29th May 2010

    During the election Campaign and since becoming your Chancellor, the situation in world financial markets has deteriorated further. I’ve also had a closer look at the books.

    As your Nation’s Grandad, all front-line services will be protected, but I have to tell you of the austerity measures which are now required…

    Job Done.

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  181. 461
    Anonymous says:

    He’s like a turd that will not flush.

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  182. 468
    east of Munich says:

    theorically if the government and the opposition both had 325 MP´s and the speaker (cons.) is subtracted, would that mean that Labour stay in government?
    just wondering

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  183. 472
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    2005 V 2010
    Total numbers 3 main parties
    Cons 2005
    Lab 2005 9.5mil Lab 2010 8.6 mil

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  184. 474
    bandersnatch says:

    D’accord, Guido, but I fear the dinosaur tendency amongst Diamond Dave’s back benchers will ROAR, and Nick’s ‘sandals with socks’ brigade will kick up an’ all. I think Clegg’s instincts are moderate liberal/libertarian ones, as are Dave’s, despite what carp you see written elsewhere. They are brothers.

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  185. 476
    I HATE SCOTTISH BASTARDS says:

    Talks tonight btw Letwin, Osborne, Hague and Laws, Alexander, Huhne and Andrew Stunnell. Cameron’s chief of staff Ed Lewellyn also there

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  186. 483
    amongomous says:

    Liebore are trying to spin the electorate wants us to work together line.
    NO they don’t they want you to fuckoff.

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  187. 484
    Steve Expat says:

    Has anyone resigned yet over the polling chaos last night??

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    • 486
      LabourHQ says:

      Of course not! You think we’d let people resign over a silly little mishap like that?

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    • 508
      Sir William Waad says:

      The polling stations were open till 10. Folk didn’t have to leave it to the last minute.

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      • 525
        Steve Expat says:

        The real problems were understaffed stations, stations that stayed open after 22:00 (definite no-no) and those that run out of ballot papers (WTF?) – not to mention postal vote applications that weren’t checked, such that a 2 bed flat can have 30 voters registered there.

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        • 849
          Moley says:

          Too few stations, very long electoral lists and it ook too long to find each voter.

          They were punctilious in checking people who voted in person and made almost no checks on postal votes.

          How can you have a “Fair” re-run in one or two seats with questionable results, if everybody knows what the outcome of the G.E. was?

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  188. 487
    Anonymous says:

    This result shows how mistrustful & sick of politicians the public really are.
    Even though the Labour government has been a disaster Cameron with all his slick phoney PR still couldn’t get a majority.

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    • 503
      DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

      Sadly, it shows no such thing. Labour and the Tories between them still have us all stitched up like a kipper. The public have just voted the same discredited bunch of politicians straight back in.

      This, as I wrote earlier today, has sent a clear message to the politicians:

      “You go right ahead and put your snouts back in the trough, because the British electorate are too fucking stupid to realise that they could punish you for it”

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  189. 493
    Election Frolics says:

    Hopefully a Con-Lib coalition will be arranged and the government will probably look like this:

    PRIME MINISTER: DAVID CAMERON
    CHANCELLOR: VINCE CABLE
    HOME SECRETARY: NICK CLEGG
    FOREIGN SECRETARY: WILLIAM HAGUE
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      Sir William Waad says:

      Cleggo would make a better Foreign Secretary. He speaks their funny foreign lingos and is much handsomer than little R2-D2. Hague would be better in in a without-portfolio post where his real job was to rough up Labour.

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    • 522
      Snotrocket says:

      It’s NOT a Con-Lib, or Lib-Con alliance, it’s a CON-DEM alliance: we are all fooked!! And the thought of Clegg in any cabinet position is just laughable!

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      Zippy says:

      suggest cable would be best re-organising care for the elderly..perfect synergy

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  190. 496
    Gordon Brown says:

    Don’t taze me, bro!

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  191. 499
    new mp says:

    Just completed my first expense claim – glasgow to london – first class – – well done gordon

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      lolol the real moniker says:

      Hope you pay for it yourself,theres no Parliament sitting and your need to get digs is a bit early yet innit.

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  192. 501
    Joe says:

    Bilko hedging his bets there for his job in when Dave gets in

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  193. 502
    Testarossa says:

    Somone get the straight jacket ready. Brown will not leave of his own accord. He’ll find every constitutional reason why he must remain at Number 10. He used the words “take time” for the Conservatives and Lib Dems to discuss their way forward. Ghastly man.

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    • 614
      Susie says:

      Resign on Sunday.

      I think the Queen should say “Orf with his head and send the Blues and Royals in to do the job”.

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  194. 504

    […] Guido is right, and Fraser Nelson wrong. A respectable battle of principle and ideology, with a little mould […]

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    • 554
      gET rEAL says:

      Brown is toast. End of. The LibDems will never agree to join labour if GB is still pissing in No10. For all Clegg’s and Camerons faults they must put country before party, something the Brown Hunts wouldnt do. FFS have people short memories of Brown? Next time you go out and by a loaf of bread have a look up and see the CCTV watching you.

      The hardened labour scum came out, those fuck wit geordies, jocks and taff’s. Look at the map. Its fucking blue in England. Tells you something.

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  195. 505
    Joe says:

    500

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  196. 507
    Testarossa says:

    Correction: Brown said “take as much time as necessary”. E.g. the longer they take, the longer he gets to enjoy the power.

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  197. 512
    The capitol of England is Harare says:

    Brown says yes to Cleggs needs but Dave says nay

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  198. 515
    I HATE SCOTTISH BASTARDS says:

    THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY GOT 40% OF THE VOTE IN ENGLAND LASTNIGHT!

    WE ARE IN THIS SITUATION DUE TO THEM SCCCOOOTTSSS!!!!!!!!!!!

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  199. 517
    Gorgon Clown says:

    I’m still here.

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  200. 518
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    2005
    Labour 9562122
    Conservative 8772598
    Liberal Democrat 5981874

    2010
    Conservative 10706647
    Labour 8604358
    Liberal Democrat 6827938

    Change Conservative +1934049
    Labour -957764
    Liberal Democrat +846064
    When you study these figures it shows just how weird the system is.
    The tories poll 1.2 million more votes than NewLiars did in 2005 and SNAFU

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  201. 519
    I HATE SCOTTISH BASTARDS says:

    GORDON BROWN IS WANKING

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  202. 520
    Anonymous says:

    VOTE CONSERVATIVE GET LIBERAL DEMOCRAT

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  203. 524
    .243 Win says:

    OK, here’s a thought :

    Let’s say that there’s a Con/Lib combined government. It’s going to really – and I mean really piss off the hard-line lefties in the Liberals.

    So what would they do ? Cross the floor perhaps. To the ZaNu benches.

    It would probably result in the Lib/Con conglomerate still having a working majority, but without the hard-line lefties, the rest of the Liberals would probably get absorbed into the rest of the Tories – think of the way the Chin and Han empires dealt with “outsiders”….

    So. Potentially the disassembly of the Liberal party as we know it ? Feel free to gun this one down, I’d be interested in the other potential scenarios.

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    • 610
      Susie says:

      On the contrary. I think you’re talking sense.

      Liberals back to being Liberals and the Social Democrats can fuck off back to Big Daddy from whence they came.

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        I'll have some of that says:

        Except that Big Daddy is going to revert to what it was when the SD’s left it in the first place….! Wonderful….!

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  204. 526
    Mrs Crewe says:

    The shredders must be smoking tonight in No. 10

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  205. 527
    committee for political reform says:

    have to do better than that Mr Cameron
    only a fool thinks a committee is anything other than a big open fuck off for PR
    and Clegg and his MPs know it too
    you can safely ignore the rabid right Dave as they all want to dump you for David Davis now anyway so whatever you do they will attack soon enough
    and without a Lib coalition that attack means you will finished in months
    you have nothing to lose with a referendum as half of labour don’t want electoral change and the party can’t blame you if the public clearly want it

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  206. 532
    Deevish The Destroyer says:

    I giggled a lot this morning when some bloke on sky said “Brown is hitting the phones right now” then rapidly changed the subject when he realised what he’d said.

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  207. 540
    sarahtweet says:

    im still here

    you cant get me

    tee hee

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  208. 542
    Deevish The Destroyer says: says:

    Dunno why anybody bothers interviewing Fraser Nelson when no one can decypher his incomprehensible accent anyway.

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  209. 543
    Mr Plum says:

    Waited patiently for 13 years for the Tories to give labour a good spanking win nearly a hundred seats and yet still feel like we’ve lost.
    Just had a look at the local elections thinking we might have done better there, alas no.
    Now we have the humiliation of seeing Cameron horse trading with the PR loving one trick pony enemy, suppose this is the new politics they were on about.
    Can anyone tell me why are the English electorate are so stupid, look at the Scots all vote tactically for their own benefit. when will we learn that labour is the party of Scotland and the Tories are for England.

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    • 567
      Augustus says:

      umm, we did lose. You can only say a party won if they have a majority of the seats. To say otherwise makes us sound like those whiny mothers at sportsday who thinks Jonny should get a medal for taking part!

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      • 577
        Mr Plum says:

        I wouldn’t say we lost we are just sharing the trophy

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        Engineer says:

        Not really sure that anybody *won*, but two parties, at least, lost quite a lot of ground. Labour lost it’s majority, and the LibDems lost seats. All the experts, informed or otherwise, are scratching their heads, and wondering what will happen if this, if that, if the other. Only the idiots have found any certainty so far.

        Sit back and let the politicos sort something out. That’s what they’re paid for. Then see if it works or not.

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          Still hungover says:

          As Ken clark said, if they can’t work this out how do people expect PR to work. The limp dim faithful will hold Clegg to ransom,the Tory right will do the same to Cameron and it will all go tits up. Re-match in October

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          • Engineer says:

            Could be.

            It started quite well with statesman-like opening salvos from all three party leaders today, but it could get stickier when it gets to the nitty-gritty of who gets to sit in which office, and who’s electoral promises get kicked into the long grass.

            On the other hand, compromise (or fudge, if you prefer) is a bit of a British tradition, so who knows?

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          udderly 'orrible says:

          There is no time for beer and sarnies, the euro crisis and the UK’s debt mean the markets will do the decision-making.

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  210. 550
    streamfisher says:

    Loving democracy!
    Quite funny really, I have decided (always look on the bright side of life), that nobody seems to know…….. what the fuck do we do now?

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  211. 551
    Fraser Nelson says:

    we can not go along with this

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    • 557
      Mrs Crewe says:

      why not? Not arguing just want to know why you are against libcon pact

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      • 565
        Et tu Boris ? says:

        Because call me Dave now has a very large target on his back for the Tory Leaders in waiting across the water.

        Tick Tock Dave. Tick Tock.

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        • 572
          Mrs Crewe says:

          in some ways I hope they don’t do a deal, Libs get into bed with labs fuck up big styly leaving the way open for Tories to come in with a huge majority BUT I am also somewhat concerned about losing my house, job, car sanity etc so kinda want someone in who will take charge of the great big debt

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          • Moley says:

            The civil contingencies act is still waiting in the wings, to be used if necessary, if things get out of hand.

            Cue end of any pretence of democracy.

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  212. 555
    Gorgon Clown says:

    I ain’t goin nowhere! I’ve still got a lot more fucking up of this country to do!

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  213. 556
    Adios el Gordo says:

    Whether hardline Tories like it or not – Nick Clegg is extremely popular, importantly with first time voters. If I was DC I would really think about offering him Home Secretary – that position should not be the graveyard people think it is and some real change is needed there (and there is no way on this planet he could ever be worse then some of the people who have recently held the title) – also the lib dems came up with vice chancellors – the economy is so totally screwed it must surely need more than one person to sort it out.

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    • 561
      lolol the real moniker says:

      If they can’t do what they are going to be paid for on their own then let somebody else do it,your right the economy is screwed and we can’t afford office blocks of of paper shufflers pretending they are fixing the economy, the cost will horrendus.

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    • 562
      Mr Plum says:

      So we put him in charge of immigration and policing, great.

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        Adios el Gordo says:

        well he has been told by everyone that his policy on immigrations is not workable – he is obviously keen on sorting it so at least put him in the best place. whats the problem with him and the police?

        jacqui smith was operating out of her sisters loo or something and managed to get on with it.

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  214. 560
    Loopy Len says:

    The sooner we change to PR the better – then we’ll see some really interesting coalitions!

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      Gooey Blob says:

      PR is dead before it is even discussed. Even if Brown were to offer it, dozens of Labour MPs would vote with the Tories to stop it. Suspect STV would likely go the same way, perhaps with a little less resistance from Labour.

      PR isn’t on the table.

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  215. 564
    Dave used to have a 28 point lead says:

    Where did it all go wrong ? lol

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  216. 568
    Rob says:

    Your original post was amusinge , but I have three points – why would you want to destroy Labour, and thus deny additional choice ? Surely those in coalition are more likely to suffer – and the ‘opposition’ benefit, when ‘the age of austerity’ begins and finally Labour ceased to be a socialist party a very long time ago.

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  217. 570
    Dack Blog says:

    When is HIGNFY recorded? Lembit’s on.

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      Engineer says:

      Well, he needs all the earning opportunities he can get now…

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        Adios el Gordo says:

        he looks like morph with glasses

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      • 589
        Dack Blog says:

        He’s got a face for radoi.

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        • 593
          Dack Blog says:

          Or radIO even. I’m sleep-deprived, and now too wired (coffee on a drip to get me through the day) for the planned early night.

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          • Engineer says:

            Could try “Any Questions”. I suspect that by the end of that, you’ll be all too ready to retreat under the covers with a pillow over your head.

            PS. Hope the little horrors – sorry, pupils – didn’t take too many liberties.

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          • Dack Blog says:

            They know to cut the crap when I’m grumpy ;)

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      Cucumber says:

      Hat Trick specialise in rapid turn-arounds, typically editing a show for broadcast in the day following a recording which can run as late as 10.30/11.00 the previous night. Lembit might still think he’s in a safe seat and accept stereotypical Cheeky/Weather-girl banter on that basis.

      Be warned: Jo Brand is presenting.

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      ohmyGoodness says:

      It’s usually recorded the night before it airs on the box. But the blurb for the upcoming episode that’s on tonight says it is “watching the dust settle from the election results”. That sounds like they must have recorded it today, if they aim to be truly topical. We’ll know right away, won’t we, by the tears in poor old Lemsip’s little eyes.

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  218. 571
    Anonymous says:

    Like calling the end of the credit bubble, calling the end of the appeal of Blair, three elections later, was equally difficult. Cameron got that wrong, but still hard to tell whether hang’em and flog’em rhetoric would have made him better off… with his looks and background, he would have rapidly sounded like a fascist Colonel Blimp…

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      Moley says:

      I think that if Cameron had pitched the Tory marker further to the right that he would have got less votes, not more.

      Look at all the crap in the media about his poor interview for the “Daily Poofter” which was bigged up as some kind of calamity.

      Europe was Cameron’s downfall.

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  219. 573
    Voice of Reason says:

    Gordon Brown

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  220. 576
    Mitch says:

    If you want a good chuckle go read Pollys flight from reality its a classic.

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        Tulkinghorn says:

        Maybe, but it could be any one of the 500 she has penned in the past 10 years. Discovering that Rusbridger’s employers had decided to back Cleggy must have been a bigger shock than finding out that Arnold Toynbee possessed DNA that was 25% tortoise.

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        HeadInTheSand MikeSC says:

        MikeSC says
        “I don’t feel relieved, I’m sick to my stomach. People will suffer needlessly through liberal/tory savage, needless cuts.”

        Needless cuts, how fu**ing deluded can you get

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    • 611
      Nick2 says:

      Spinning Labour’s loss as an acceptable position seems ‘optimistic’. But she may well be right when she says that the belt tightening would be seen as ‘Tory cuts’ by a lot of the electorate – namely the stupid ones who voted Labour yesterday.

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    • 645
      Mr Slater's Parrot says:

      (flapflapflap) SKKREE-UUUUURWWWKK!!! POLLYWOLLYDOODLE!!!

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  221. 580
    Beast of Gossip says:

    Gordon is about to be exposed as a Hermaphrodite
    He has 2 balls and a C unt called Peter

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  222. 581
    Dack Blog says:

    Campbell’s got his ‘Clegg-wooing’ yellow tie on on C4 news.

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  223. 583
    Anonymous says:

    Anyone notice that all the Polling Stations at which there were fuck ups over queues were organised by Labour run councils?

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    • 602
      Mr Plum says:

      I cannot understand why large queues built up, the turnout was not that much higher than the last election. Why did so many people leave it until the last minute.

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      • 629
        Ratsniffer says:

        I head one of the polling station staff said that lots of people had turned up at the last moment without their polling cards. The videos show pissed, mouthy students….and labour wants to lower the voting age to 16….

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          My Other Cars Not A Prius Either says:

          My instinct is it was a cynically organised stunt to give legs to a variety of conspiracy theories as to how the ” partee” wuz robbed by the nasty establishmunt,wankers!

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          Moley says:

          I think it might have been arranged via twitter.

          It would be worth looking through the archives to trace it’s origin.

          One or more parties “Getting out the vote” at the last minute.

          I had a phone call at around 9.00pm from the ——- Party to remind me to vote. (I already had).

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  224. 590
    Bernard Manning says:

    Gordon Brown walks into a pub and says to the bar man
    Id like to pee
    The barman says
    Fuck off you already steal enough off me

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    • 605

      PLeased to hear you made it back Bernard.

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      • 644
        Tulkinghorn says:

        Bernie, do you still live with your mum and have a house decorated with crocheted bogseat covers, telephones disguised as ballerinas, and swirly-patterned carpets that give you a headache?

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        • 682

          You’ve just exactly described the Beast of Clerkenwell.

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          • Tulkinghorn says:

            No no, I happen to know he sits in his underpants, alternately gloating over his collection of “Rolex” watches and dreading the step of Peter Hitchens. That’s when he’s not attending the local glee club, of course, or volunteering to take meals on wheels to the elderly of north London.

            The man’s a saint and shall not be traduced!

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        • 957
          Bernard Manning says:

          No.

          I’m dead.

          Boom! Boom!

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  225. 592
    The capitol of England is Harare says:

    A little gem in the middle of this story that Dave will more than likely find when he gets into number 10

    http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2010/05/20105510419606194.html

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    • 623
      Nick2 says:

      Which part – the bit about the Greek finances being fraudulently mis-stated, or the fact that the buildings for the Athens Olympics cost up to four times as much as equivalent facilities in Sydney or Barcelona?

      Bet both are the case in the UK.

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      • 685
        Susie says:

        “British jobs for British workers”.

        Diane Abbott MP for Hackney said that less than 2% of the workers on the facilities in Hackney are either locals or British. Even though they’re paying the bills.

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          My Other Cars Not A Prius Either says:

          British workers already have jobs,british wasters dont want jobs,they vote labour.

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  226. 596
    Susie says:

    All I know is we’re cursed with the possibility of more Brown/another unelected PM/Labour… oh yes, and being bankrupt with a junk currency.

    If I ever see any of the two (now ex) friends who I know voted LibDem, I shall relish reminding them of warning them of just this at the New Year.

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  227. 598
    Cheer up you miserable bastards. It could be worse, Dave could have thrown away a 28 point lead. says:

    ROFL!

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    • 625
      Anonymous says:

      But they beat Gordon. The saviour of the world, the annointed one who feels Downing Street is his destiny? Poor Gordon, in a few days he may have to leave without ever having been an elected PM? What a dreaful fate for someone so talented and far sighted.

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      • 745
        Cheer up you miserable bastards. It could be worse, Dave could have thrown away a 28 point lead. says:

        And ? Brown’s cun’t and good riddance.
        I laugh at his fate as much as I laugh at Dave’s.

        Problem for you is the public doesn’t think Dave is much better as his inability to get a majority against a fuckwit like Brown clearly shows.

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        • 960
          Gobshite says:

          Man has a point.

          Hardcore Labour retards aside, what went wrong?

          I blame dodgy boundaries for much of it.

          And postal vote shopping by the Muslim Labour block.

          No fecker should be allowed a postal vote unless they are on Disability!

          I’d love to see a breakdown of postal votes by each party, especially in those kind of seats.

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  228. 601
    Fakalaki says:

    Fakalaki.my new moniker

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  229. 606
    The Morris Marina a nasty log laid by British Leyland says:

    YES if the Tories were on a level playing field they’d have had a huge majority, they got MORE of the vote than bummer Bliar did in 2005 and he got a 60 seat majority.

    Can I also point out that if you Limp Dems only ever want to do a coalition with Labour what is the point of voting Lib Dem? All you’re going to do is keep Labour in power, so why not vote Labour in the first place?

    It would be in your interest to work with the Tories so as to prove you are a party that CAN work with both sides, that actually makes your position stronger, not weaker.

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    • 620
      Anonymous says:

      Would LibDems be easily forgiven for keeping the dreadful Gordon at No 10? I think not and I’m sure they know that.

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        The Morris Marina a log laid by British Leyland says:

        Clegg doesn’t think so, but he’s got to convince the weirdy beardies in his party, who on Radio 5 pravda today were spouting hate for the Tories (right wing, racists, etc whipped up by twats like Stephen fat shit Nolan and co) and bigging up Liebour.

        Like I say if the Lib Dems ONLY want to work with the Liebour party they may as well not exist.

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    • 667
      Susie says:

      In their hearts they do want to vote Labour. But they hope they’ve come up in the world and don’t want to mix with the proles i.e. they’re snobs. That’s why they hate Thatcher worse than the hard left, she wasn’t a snob and the working class respected her honesty.

      LibDems make me sick.

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  230. 607
    thick as thieves says:

    s a u s a g e s

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  231. 615
    Bernard Manning says:

    Sarah Brown makes a rare trip to Downing Street and asks Gordon
    “Can I look round?”

    With typical charm he responds with “You already do look round you fat bitch now fuck off Im busy”

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    • 672
      Susie says:

      Anyone notice how Cameron walked round opened car door and helped Sam when they got back to London, even though he must have been dog tired.

      When Brown’s car pulled up, he got out and walked through the door leaving Sarah to sort herself out without a backward glance. He’s a total oaf.

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  232. 626
    Jimmy says:

    The Liberals have more in common with the Tories than New Labour. New Labour’s big brother nanny state is effectively authoritarian, which goes completely against Liberal ideals. The conservatives support individual achievement, and inherently, the liberal freedom that that entails. They both want to scrap ID cards, which to me is a huge step int he right direction.

    I think the Conservatives and Lib Dems can form a good Libertarian government, People-Centric Liberalism without the humanist ideas that in reality don’t work on a large scale (see illegal immigrant amnesty for example.)

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    • 631
      Ratsniffer says:

      The liberals are made up of ex labourites and many of them are more left wing than Nulabour. And certainly just as bonkers.

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    • 679
      Kevin Richmond says:

      As Ratsniffer says, there’s also a lot of socialist misfits and malcontents in the LDs these days.
      Some of them are just plain barmy, with sandals.

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    • 687

      Have to agree with the Sniffer, Jimmy. I rad the Libdem Manifesto a few days ago and it could have been written by Fred Kite in parts. Mansion tax indeed.

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      • 766
        AC1 says:

        Adam Smith (PBUH) was an advocate of taxing Land Values. The LVT is of course the simplest tax and thus the hardest to avoid paying, and it amazes me that the Lib Dems can mess this up.

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  233. 628
    Bernard Manning says:

    Gordon Brown is in a panic
    We all know that he is hard of hearing after that encounter with Mrs Duffy
    Manselson rang him this morning and Gordon thought he was told
    “Gordon you will soon be homoless”

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  234. 630
    haggis basher says:

    Students of the weird should examine the election results in Scotland. Notwithstanding the appalling records of Brown and the Labour Party across recent years there was overwhelming support for the red rose numpties. The only conclusion can be that most Scots are people of crass stupidity.

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    • 639

      There are plenty of truly excellent Scots Mr Basher, the point here I think is that hardly any of them live in Scotland any more.

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    • 812
      My Other Cars Not A Prius Either says:

      The poor morons thought that the baby eating tories would cancel all benefits for Neds if the SNP swept the board,much safer to let labour keep coughing up the bucky tokens frae england than pay it oot o scottish loot alone.self presevation in a recession created by the international socialists we are so beloved!

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  235. 632
    Percy the Penguin from Peterhead says:

    Stop slaggin off us scotch we cant help it

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    • 783
      Can't remember my moniker says:

      I thought Scots called Scots Scots, not Scotch, which is reserved for produce, unless employed as a pejorative.

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  236. 633
    MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

    What dave will find when he gets the keys off Gordon

    http://www.houston-imports.com/dirty/dirty.html

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    • 638

      OK, I’m nervous here: what am I likely to see when I click on the link?

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      • 657
        MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

        AN absolute shit hole !

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        • 671
          Can't remember my moniker says:

          Frankie! I thought you had gone to ground. Or eaten 100 sausages after realising we were all hung!

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          • MAD FRANKIE HADDOCK son of COD says:

            hi pal no i was chilling with a few beers last night
            wasn’t posting much but had guido for comments etc
            i was watching it unfold on the telly a real pisser wasn’t it ?

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          • Can't remember my moniker says:

            Yes! Did you see me getting more and more angry? I drank half a 1.5 litre bottle of Limoncello (the Pope drinks it) A**o*ol free of course (35%) Eventually, I got fed up and went to bed at 05:30 local time. So I missed that bug-eyed cun’t squeaking back in, so a good decision to retire. A real pisser that Bercow got back in – some Conservative voters need frontal lobotomies. No one comes off good out of this but it is so British!/English!/ballsup!/fuckingshittingfuckingcun’tish…..

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          • Can't remember my moniker says:

            And the cun’t is still there….WTF is going on?

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    • 662
      Nick2 says:

      Unfortunately, I’ve seen worse…

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    • 673
      Can't remember my moniker says:

      An unflushed turd in the toilet, skidmarks all over the walls, 5,800 broken Nokias …..

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    • 678
      Can't remember my moniker says:

      Loads of moderated comments on a weblog belonging to a certain G Foulks

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    • 680
      Can't remember my moniker says:

      Inexplicable references to “meercats”

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    • 748
      ester ransoms dog says:

      Thought it was pressers transit at first

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    • 786
      Can't remember my moniker says:

      BBC: “… let’s have a look at the swingometer here ….” OH FUCK OFF!!!!!!!

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  237. 635

    “Sally Bercow, the wife of the Commons speaker John, failed to win a council seat for Labour in Westminster, losing St James’s ward to the Tories.”

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  238. 641
    Yankee Lodger says:

    Hey this is cool. You guys are the Tea Party of England, right?

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    • 666
      lolol the real moniker says:

      No this is the Fish and Chip shop owners guild, Washington ,Tyne and Wear branch,the Tea Party of England is next door on Labourlist or could that be the ex Champagne Socialists Guild get them mixed up all the time :-).

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    • 669
      Kevin Richmond says:

      I wish :-)
      Since we don’t have a written constitution there’s no campaign here to uphold it!

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      • 689
        Engineer says:

        Funny one, that. It’s often said that we don’t have a written constitution, but we do. It’s all written down somewhere, from Magna Carta on. It’s just that it’s on lots of different bits of paper, not written all on one piece.

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          lolol the real moniker says:

          I thought that the American Constitution was taking a hammering by Obambmi hence the Tea Parties.

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        • 820
          Kevin Richmond says:

          I’ve seen your argument many times before but you’re wrong.
          We have nothing which can be described as a written constitution. All we have are past precedents and conventions, often going back several centuries. These may be what people today call “constitutional” but they are not and have no standing in law, whereas a proper constitution is always the nation’s supreme law.

          EG: in this current situation, Brown ordered Sir Gus O’Donnell to produce some guidance on what to do in a hung parliament situation. It took him several weeks to look back and find out what happened before. His guidance was then described as “constitutional rules” but that is actually nonsense for the reason I mentioned above.

          Note that a constitution is invariably owned by the citizenry of a nation and cannot be changed or amended by any government elected under its provisions. By contrast the Magna Carta — like Common Law — has been overridden by statute law for years.

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  239. 642
    Mr Plum says:

    Just a thought, wondered what will happen at pmq’s if there is a limp-tory coalition. Who will be leading the opposing 2nd party and get two questions.

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  240. 643
    Seth the pig farmer says:

    If there is to be a coalition for change, then all the contentious stuff on immigration, Europe, Trident etc is easy – leave it out and have a free vote if anything comes up that needs to be dealt with.

    It boils down to voting reforem. DC is caught on the hors of a dilemma. If he gives a vote on PR then there is a chance that it might go thorough with the support of the LAB and others who think it is a chance to be in power (or close to it) forever.

    To get the LD over the PR thing (which they are only interested in because they can’t break though with FPTP, DC has to offer them another route to power. This is not a coaltion for a short parliament, but a genuine way to be teh second party in Parliament. This could only really be done by having a shared non-compete strategy on seats at the next election to ensure that they don’t split the anti-Labour vote. It would be something along the lines of agreeing not to have candidates in seats where the other is the main competition with Labour.

    The LD would also get a free run and certain other seats to ensure that they get a decent breakthrough in seat numbers.

    Probably a bit subtle

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    • 690
      Rip Van Winkle says:

      Could Cameron give way on simple PR. But in return his government would push through a law forbidding Scottish MP’s voting on English and Welsh matters.

      Would this not completely castrate any future socialist administration? England, generally has a Tory majority (at least with equal weighted consituencies) and the socilaists could not push through a whole host of important legislation in England.

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  241. 649
    Bernard Manning says:

    Nick Clegg walks into a shoe shop with his family clogs, tells them that he needs them resoled pronto as he is a very important man
    Thats cobblers he is told
    “How fucking dare you talk to me like that!”

    No I mean Timpsons next door you thick dutch c un t

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    • 663
      THE LATE GREAT BERNARD MANNING says:

      A drunk goes into a chipshop he looks at the menu
      and says pisshole and chips!
      the woman says thats not a p its an r
      drunk looks at her and says ok i’ll have arsehole and chips !

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  242. 652
    a voter says:

    why cant we hang the lot all parties they offer nothing just more of the same crap and lies climate change rubbish taxes lets give them blood on the streets and start again put them all on min wage too and the wealth they have given back to the ordinary subject r make them use their wages paid to clear nat debt yeah and put cam on jsa and live for month on it bet he coukldnt cope they all live in fantasy land

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  243. 653
    Disco Biscuit says:

    Fraser really will do anything for a bit of publicity, won’t he?
    Incidentally, anyone else think Brown looks like he’s on heavy. tranquilisers today?

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  244. 655
    c.eng says:

    For what it’s worth Guido, I’m with you and Old Holborn. Fraser Nelson represents an irrational attachment to the past.

    Whilst First Past the Post selection may have produced definitive majorities for Labour or Conservative in the past, it’s also delivered since WWII a flip flop system from one extreme to the other. (In truth the Conservative Gvts weren’t that extreme but the Labour ones certainly were, and generally smashed up the economy every 15 years).

    This flip flop wouldn’t be so bad if our political parties were more like the Democrats and the Republicans in the US where the difference in political outlook is not that great. Basically they both govern in the national interest and both parties (until recently at least) understand basic economics and the free market as do the electorate.

    However our history together with the FPTP system has sustained the two extremes of political left and right. Admittedly there are many in the two parties who are not that extreme, but the default setting of both parties has been to rule in their party’s rather that the national interest.

    None of this has been helped by the Labour Party’s attachment to adolescent academic Marxism, supported blindly and financially by the equally Marxist Trade Unions. Nor has the position of the Conservative Party been helped by the perception and some reality that they are the party of landowners and privilege rather than a party of fairness and wealth creation.

    On reflection, today’s result gives our politicians, especially Cameron and Clegg a unique opportunity to mend our electoral system. We can not go on with this nonsense where most of us are effectively disenfranchised, and where the system allows a group of leftist loonies to beggar the country every generation or so.

    I personally thought Cameron’s election campaign was too wet, generalised and full of PR waffle, but if he really wants to deliver change (by the way he never said it would be meaningful) but if he really wants to deliver meaningful change, he must agree together with the LibDems to reform the electoral system as a priority.

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  245. 659
    Face like a smacked arse says:

    Its really gulling to have to depend on a minority party to be able to form a government. I hoped that Cameron had said no deal and left the ball in the Flip Flems court. I expect liebour henchmen are busy chatting up the flem MPs right now in order to get them to persuade Cleggover not to make no deal with the tories.
    And all this crap about PR, Sorry but the Flip Flems were the only party in favour of it. Bearing in mind they lost seats the Flems do not have any real public mandate for such a change in our voting system .
    We’re all fecked no matter what happens.

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  246. 661
    Election Frolics says:

    “Jimmy Tarbuck £5 a night. And I’d still give him a fiver cos he’s doing the same fucking act.”

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  247. 664
    Bernard Manning says:

    Charlie Kennedy hosts a LibDem meeting

    “Hello my names Charlie and I’m an alcoholic

    FUck!
    Wrong meeting “

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  248. 675
    Susie says:

    Mmmmm.

    When the huge turnout looked like screwing up that plan, Common Purpose put Plan B into operation creating mayhem at the polling stations.

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  249. 677

    Comment 666 I hope.

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  250. 681
    Dave says:

    Whyever would a “political” blogger who purports to dislike things authoritarian wish to “destroy” a legitimate, constitutional, non-hatemongering party as a possible voter choice for future government? Happily it’s an absurd proposition: nothing’s likely to revive Labour’s flagging fortunes so much as a Conservative-Liberal pact that leaves opponents of a starve-the-poor-to-feed-the-rich Cameron government with nowhere else to go. Using meaningful electoral reform to deny Labour a future monopoly of power will have the same effect on the Conservatives: Brown knows that only too well, which is why he’ll be ready to offer Clegg far more than Cameron possibly can. Be careful what you wish for. And do engage brain.

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  251. 683
    Bernard Manning says:

    Its wrong to say that Sally Bercow is a fu cking slag
    Some people like midget porn
    Good luck to the people of Buckingham, a free wank DVD beats the normal election crap that we usualy get stuffed in the letterbox

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    • 700
      nell says:

      Will bercow have to face a new election to become speaker? If we get a conlib coalition will he have any chance of being the speaker the next time around?

      I hope not!!!

      I think a liberal democrat speaker might be a good idea next time around. Any ideas??!!

      Vince Cable I think would be good!!

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      • 717
        AC1 says:

        I’d prefer Frank Field for Speaker.

        Respect from all sides of the house.

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      • 831
        Can't remember my moniker says:

        If all the MPs shout “No” when he retakes the Speaker’s Chair, he is finished.

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  252. 688
    Euro here we come! says:

    I wonder if it is starting to dawn on UHunt members that by splitting the tory vote, they have denied the party a majority, and instead driven them into the arms of the EU loving liberals.

    Well done. Twats.

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  253. 691
    Hey Boyo! Remember me?! says:

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  254. 693
    The Morris Marina a log laid by British Leyland says:

    So why is the BBC NOT pointing out that there is NO WAY the English will tolerate the jock mong doing a deal with the Lib Dems AND the SNP to force though legislation that effects only England?

    Take out Liebour’s 45 jock MPs and the 9 SNP and Liebour have NO mandate to run England, especially as the jocks now have their own Parliament.

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  255. 694
    Euro here we come! says:

    I wonder if it is starting to dawn on UHunt members that by splitting the tory vote, they have denied the party a majority, and instead driven them into the arms of the EU loving liberals.

    Well done. Huntz.

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  256. 696
    Anonymous says:

    I really wanted to see a conservative majoritywith lib dems in 2nd place and labour destroyed.

    OK it’s not happened. But today cleggie has been the first one the throw out a lure and , surprise surprise , to the tories!!

    I bet labour went into shock at that!!

    Next announcement that came out via Sky was that cameron was going to lay out his vision for government at 2.30pm.

    Suddenly there was poor, spurned gordon on the steps of no.10 saying to the libdems and the rest of the world ‘ don’t forget me!! I’ll sell my soul or my wife if only you’ll keep my discredited pitiful minority in power’

    I felt rather sorry for him as he walked slowly, defeatedly back into the front door of no.10.

    Then again I didn’t!! because as I watched him I remembered that he had appointed aintbustinagut, rammel (gone!! thank god!) and kevan to short change our troops in Afghanistan. (I’m sad that aintbustinagut and kevan are still with us, hopefully not for long!!)

    And none of us are going to forget that gordon has spent us (spend!spend!spend! gordon’s own policy) into perfidy!!

    So yes I think I could live with a conlib coalition.

    I doubt I could agree with a liblab one!! So I hope they’re listening!!!

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    • 702
      Engineer says:

      Evening, nell. Why are you incognito?

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      • 711
        nell says:

        Laptop crashed. What a time for it!!! On hubby’s and it didn’t bring up my moniker so it posted me as anonymous ’cause I didn’t think to check my name!!

        How did you know? Am I that recognisable?? +++Laugh+++

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        • 714
          Engineer says:

          Ah, well – the reference to “aintbustinagut” was a dead giveaway. A sort of ‘artist’s signature’, as it were.

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          • nell says:

            Well what can I say??!!

            That name has become so ingrained for me that I even find myself using ‘aintbustingut’ when I’m searching for news of him google. I just so think of him, and gordon’s neglect of our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, that way!!!

            If we get a conlib pact I really hope that we get a really really decent Minister of Defence who is going to look after our troops and a proper War Cabinet that will meet every day and make sure that the lads and lasses out there have everything they need to do the job they are being asked to do!!

            I don’t know about anybody else , I want to see them some home and I know that that cannot be achieved immediately. But I just wish!!

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        • 750
          AC1 says:

          You sure the hubby wasn’t using the laptop and cleared the cache after going somewhere he shouldn’t have?

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    • 719
      Can't remember my moniker says:

      Did you spill alc++ol on your laptop?

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      • 728
        nell says:

        ++Chuckle++

        Well last night was a long night I might have done !!- surely re++d w++ine would lubricate it??!

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        • 740
          Can't remember my moniker says:

          I got mo++ed today for mentioning mar++ts today but, after an hour, it was restored. What is going on?

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  257. 697
    Election Frolics says:

    Unfortunately, Luciana Bugger won the Liverpool seat she was standing in. Does this mean she’ll now go back to driving her car with the personalised license plate?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/crash-landing-for-labour-candidate-parachuted-into-liverpool-1951962.html

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  258. 701

    […] ruthlessly the internal logic of its own stance. To those amoung the commetariat who see this like Guido Fawkes as the end of Labour I would simply say this; come to Leeds and witness the sweeping gains Labour […]

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  259. 707
    Ted Bundy says:

    So a couple of filthy rich former public schoolboys are now carving up the fruits of last nights election just like a modern day Potsdam conference. What’s really going on behind closed doors and is Cameron now selling out the Conservative party for the kudos of being Prime Minister.

    He may have blown a 50 point lead but at least he can still be Prime Minister and as he is clearly a non conviction politico what does it matter that the branding has had to be changed?

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    • 729
      revolting peasant says:

      I don’t remember him having a 50 point lead.
      But don’t let the facts get in the way of a bitter rant.

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  260. 708
    nell says:

    gordon tonight is the discredited PM, brooding and ignored as he sulks, skulks and throws nokias in no.10, hoping beyond hope that Westminster can’t survive without him!!

    He may just be about to find out that his massive ego which tells him and mandy that they are indispensible, they are in fact not wanted. I do hope hope so!!!

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    • 721
      Hung Parliament says:

      Good! Fuck him.

      Shame Dave didn’t presuade the public either though.

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      • 733
        Ted Bundy says:

        It would appear that Dave isnt exactly wanted either. Vote Conservative and get loopy Liberals.

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        • 782
          nell says:

          Nope don’t agree with that – I think a conlib alliance might be quite popular.

          And I feel sure that a lablib alliance would be hugely unpopular. This would equal masive electoral reform without thought which woulde of gordon and his spendspendspend policies with the prospec of printing more money, he has spent time in his £3million meditatopn suite at the Department of Education!!)!!!

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  261. 715
    Anonymous says:

    Hung parliament is a bit of a fiasco. Only consolation… Jaqui Smith got kicked out.

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