Getting Real : The Change Coalition (Part II)
A few weeks ago Guido asked a CCHQ insider privy to strategy “What is the negotiating strategy with the LibDems? Is it true Matthew Hancock is in charge of the strategy?” He laughed “the joke of the negotiation strategy is that there isn’t one. If we lose narrowly we’ll leave it up to Clegg to either support Labour or stand alone. Go on to fight a second election and hope to win more comfortably.”
What, Guido asked, if the differential is big? “Don’t be f***ing stupid.”
That LibDem negotiation strategy might be a higher priority nowadays. Hancock is the Tory PPC for West Suffolk and formerly George Osborne’s chief-of-staff, Cleggmania means the problem now has the attention of those above his pay grade. Last Sunday Guido sketched out a potential May 7 scenario, Tim Montgomerie was horrified, the feedback Guido got was more mixed – mostly it was sceptical based on contact with the LibDem grassroots. Left Foot Forward editor Will Straw mirrored Tim Montgomerie, telling Guido in Dimbley’s green room that it was just not going to happen, the LibDems were “progressives”. Well that is a pretty meaningless term, it has even been borrowed by the Cameroons for their agenda. The confusion in the ranks of Labour and Tory true believers is based on the experience of contact with Libdem activists, many of whom are way to the left of Blairites. The parliamentary party is not by and large left wing - it is centrist.
Clegg and the people around him are not of the left, Vince Cable is, but he is the exception. The Orange bookers and the Cameroons share key liberal ideological tenets – localism, decentralisation, transparency and a preference for market based solutions. On the need for “savage cuts” in government spending, accelerated deficit reduction and NHS reform the LibDems have been more honest than the Tories. Most Tories can live with LibDem manifesto commitments on tax (apart from the enterprise killing capital gains hike). They are singing from the same fiscal policy hymn-sheet.
There are real areas of discordance, in particular defence and foreign policy. Here the LibDems betray their liberal radicalism, Clegg is desperately trying to square grassroots weirdie-beardie antipathy to anything nuclear with being in the government of a UN security council member and nuclear power. Letting the Tories have primacy on defence and foreign policy and the LibDems have primacy on home affairs, localism and open government is the most likely compromise. It would also broadly reflect the electorate’s wishes.
We have come a long way in the last 7 days, the well connected chronicler of the Cameroons Matthew D’Ancona now says get real it is on the cards, Cameron tells the Observer the door is open and ‘One of the keys is the people who are liberal with a small L‘, Clegg tells the Sunday Times that “You can’t have Gordon Brown squatting in No 10″, Mandelson warns voters that flirtation with Clegg might lead to a Cameroon marriage. The public on the other hand always love a big wedding. The bookies make a hung parliament the strong favourite outcome with a 60% probability and give the Tories only a 37% chance of forming a majority government. Change is definitely coming and it will probably be in the form of a coalition…
See also : The Change Coalition
So who is Nick gonna jump into bed with, the dirty bastard?
And when / if he does, how long will it last?
I had a marriage of convenience once. It went down the toilet.
So their MP’s are not like their activists? Five more years waiting to test that?
Your all living in LibLabCon dreamland with your paid for polls. Non of your party’s will get in.
More interesting was what Clegg did not say on Marr this morning. He said he would not support Brown if NuLabour ended third. What if NuLabour ended second of course that would be different. With Clegg its not what he says its what he does NOT say that gives rise for concern.
Dave’s activists certainly don’t believe in any of his “eco green big society we’re all in this together” fluffy public relations horseshit
I trust Clegg as far a I could kick him.
The revelations last week in the Telegraph make him as bad as Blair before he’s been in a position of influence, let alone what he’ll be like when he’s got the keys to the engine room.
No, No, No! as a very wise old bird said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/The_andrew_marr_show/
I do hope it’s me !
Tat,.,.,
Matt Hancock’s my constituency PPC. Met him, talked to him… bright guy, young guy, noticed the slightest suspicion of cold steel under the ‘bright and eager young thing’ exterior (which reassured me — the last thing we need is some ingenue). My ideal to replace our retiring MP would have been a late 30s/40s military background, who’s been around the world, knows the heights and depths of human nature and takes no shit.
I am extremely concerned that Cameroons will be wheeling and dealing abroad while the LibDems run things at home … we have a chaotic LibDem council in nearby Cambridge who truly believe in the redemptive powers of speed bumps, bicycles and that dogs and all things ‘rural’ are Satan’s spawn.
Anyone who wants to continue to live their quiet lives without let or hindrance must be neo-Nazis (and the BIG ONE, sin of sins) anti EU should be taxed or have their assets/land confiscated.
So what happens on PR – David isn’t going to let that go away.
oh yes he is
Having watched Clegg on the Marr show this morning I would rather Dave did a deal with Gordon rather than Nick. Clegg is out of his depth and he was clearly drowning on Prime time telly, only Marr’s tendency to rescue a drowning man saved him.
Clegg showed himself to be a rather dangerous boy in a rather dangerous world but Gordon is the true enemy of this country and all it’s people.
so, it seems, is Cameron. all three are leftwing concensus career politicians with little to chose between them. the tory party has been hi-jacked/
and there you have the LIBLABCON con
To a right-wing extremist — like you — everyone seems left-wing.
Coalitions come in all shapes and sizes. You can have a coalition without Lib Dems being Cabinet Ministers. They can be government ministers yet not in Cabinet. This unusual arrangement has occurred in the last two elections in New Zealand. Parties in coalition can keep their own policies and not be beholding to collective cabinet responsibility. You may need to talk to the Kiwis come May 7th for out of the norm arrangements that are still constitutional.
In the wake of 13 years of Labour government of such oppression, fraud, cruelty and impoverishment, all without modern precedent in the English-speaking world, a Conservative minority administration would mean the end for Cameron.
In short, in these circumstances anything so weak as an attempt at a LibDem coalition is a huge failure for the Tories and Call Me Dave (politically) dies.
With due respect, I think you are talking total bollocks. The current situation has been created by the public’s reaction to the expenses scandle and the impression out there amongst the impressionable that the Lib Dem’s are a bunch of saints.
There is little doubt that Dave will be PM after the GE and he will be judged by how he handles the job. Personally I believe he will do a good possibly very good job. Hopefully time will tell.
Mind you don’t starve, living wholly on hope.
I beg you to consider that wankstain in America, his administration was built on (lies) ‘hope’, and (more lies) ‘change’, that is progressing in the Socialist Utopia project, and has failed cataclysmically.
There are a number of good articles in the latest Spectator that cast more light on Clegg & the Lib Dems. I wish that it was possible for them to be disseminated more widely. Practically everyone I know has either given up on politics totally or will vote Lib Dem out of a desire for change. None of the latter even want to know more about Clegg or his happy band.
It’s as bad as the Yanks voting for Obama because his election posters had ‘Change’ printed on them. Did they really think then that anything would?
“Did they really think then that anything would?”
Nick2, you seem a clever and honest lad so I won’t chide you severely, but your mistake is to use the verb ‘think’. They don’t ‘think’, ‘thinking’ is hard and distracts one when one is entirely dwelling on (American version of) Pop Idol or adjusting the songs on the IPod.
There are absolutely no indicators that Cameron will be `good`. We might want to dwell on `hope` but it would be naieve to be optimistic about it. As for a tory pact with LibDems, that would be political suicide for the tories. With the tory core vote alienated and disenfranchised by Cameron, the acceptance of the solicialist social model, and the rapidly changing demography, another five years will see the tories marginalised into oblivion.
I disagree. I think Cameron has shown excellent leadership potential. He has always known that he is walking a difficult tightrope with an electorate which has elected Blair three times as has been so graphically by events since the first debate.
Not doing a deal and staying out of power would be certain political suicide for Dave. So which will he choose ? Himself or the Party ?
How ‘loyal’ has Dave been to the Conservatives core vote and policies ?
All Cameron has to do to win is to offer a Referendum on Europe and a Referendum on self governance for England and he would win, but his paymasters won’t let him say either of those things… So he doesn’t deserve to win.
You’re so right Guido. Why does every body talk about the big fear of a lib lab ‘progressive’ coalition that could keep the Tories out forever. What about the more likely scenario of a real progressive right of centre lib con coalition that could keep labour out for ever. The Tories should go for it and the real headache will be with Cleggie and his attempt at trying to drag the pary with him. If that fails then second election and Tory majority.
So you can have your cake and eat it!!
Anything but Labour.
y-e-e-e-s-s-s–s
If the only thing standing in the way of Cameron getting power is changing the vote system or standing back and letting Labour do it anyway, Daves going to change it.
Bottom line is state cut backs are on the horizon. Labour hoped to pin this on an incoming Tory Govt and ride off into the sunset.
Are the lib dems going to risk they’re new found popularity by jumping into bed with the old regime and risk being dragged down by them?
You’ve got to laugh at the tories for wanting to jump into the deep end with both feet though.
Some people – tho not liebore trolls obviously – would call it responsibility.
Nick2 is spot on. Any other interpretation of the tory dilemma is naieve. Cameron might like Clegg and his political attitudes but to formalise that in a coalition arrangement will be disastrous for the lonhterm interests of the Tory party particularly in a social and political environment where time is not on their side.
Call me pragmatic if you want but surely in a normal environment if you are borrowing far more than you earn to support an inflated life style and the only way to balance the budget is savage cuts why not do it now FFS in one fell swoop.
I do not think anyone in this country wants to end up in 2014/15 with 1.5 Trillions of debt.
At the same time we all know that Brown is responsible and therefore the sooner we tackle it, under a Department heading of something like “Brown’s fiscal incontinence burden” the better.
Once borrowing has been brought under control we can then all heave a sigh of relief and try and forget the 13 year nightmare that the taxpayer has endured.
Labour trashed the economy big time in the seventies and Thatcher is still getting blamed for clearing their mess up.
Although I personally would prefer a tory government a Lib/Con concensus would be a far better course in order to debunk a subsequent labour resurgence blaming the tories for cuts which are an inevitable result of Browns fcuk ups.
Tat .,
LibDems have got form in domestic cuts — their Smashy and Nicey image only extends to polling day.
I lived in West Sussex with a 40 y/o Conservative council… the LibDems got in on a sort of protest anti-Thatcher vote and the next week they announced the closure of every council care home giving residents 6 weeks to find something else. In Cambridge they’ve removed every park bench so the the dossers don’t congregate.
LibDem-ness: “We decree that everyone will be NORMAL — or you will be shot.”
The problem for Clegg is that the Lib Dems do not really want to be in government. Shouting from the sidelines is fun. But being in government? Being {gasp!} responsible for stuff? “Oh,no! That’s like really, really serious grown-up stuff, dude! We Lib Dems wanna be student politicians for ever!”
Naaah !
1. Tories in
2. Lib Dem ‘help’
3. PR legislation
4. Lib Dem help ends
5. General Election
6. Tories outright Win
7. Lib Dem 2nd
8. NuLiebor evaporates
Highly likely.
I said a prayer last night to St Jude the patron saint of hopeless cases but I doubt that even he will know what to do about the Tory Party campaign.
Something is happening with the electorate. Today’s YouGov poll showing the Lib Dems in the lead is astonishing. Perhaps the public anger with MPs over their expenses and the banking crisis will result in the body politic being smashed to bits. What was true on Friday may not be true any longer.
The stakes are now very high. If David Cameron does not become PM on 6/7th May the electoral system will be changed. The first past the post system will be abolished and there will not be a Tory government for a very long time if ever again. Perhaps John Major will go down in history as the last Tory PM.
This is the most inept Tory campaign in living memory
Absolutely right. Cameron is too afraid to talk about the political issues which most voters want to hear about. Time is not on the tories side, and if they fail to take this (which could be the last) opportunity, then history might well be recording John Major as the last tory PM. Once the liberals are in coalition, that will be the end of the tories. Wake up Cameron!
Absolutely right. Cameron is too afraid to talk about the political issues which most voters want to hear about. Time is not on the tories side, and if they fail to take this (which could be the last) opportunity, then history might well be recording John Major as the last tory PM. Once the liberals are in coalition, that will be the end of the tories. Wake up Cameron!
There should be no contemplation of a pact with the LibDems.
Where’s this YouGov poll that puts the LibDems in front? Not today….maybe you refer to the one of 4 days ago. 4/7 of a week is a long time in polling.
you’ve said this a million times already you pointless wanker
Is this in the pipeline?
In the likely event of a hung parliament, Nick Clegg will put forward a plan that will propose none of the three leaders will be asked to form a government, instead he will propose a coalition, led by Ken Clarke as PM, with Vince Cable as Chancellor and David Miliband Home Secretary, and for Ken Clarke to select a balanced selection of people from all parties to form a national emergency government, that must remain in office for four years to serve the Nation.
The government must also produce a electoral system that is fair, not simply PR, certainly not F-P-T-P but some form of STV that will secure a strong government, even if the winning party or coalition are awarded ‘casting seats that provide a clear majority’ for the purpose of voting in Parliament.
The government is limited to a four year term, with a programme for compulsory voting agreed for the next general election on the first Thursday in May 2011.
David Cameron failed to receive a clear mandate to number ten, Gordon Brown in face of his unpopularity may accept Nick’s proposal, as he repeatedly stated; if he cannot make the difference he will bow out.
This is the conundrum that is now thrown into the mix, and it will prove very interesting how David Cameron and Gordon Brown will react.
Who gives a fuck, its like giving the bastards who fucked up the means of administering the punishment on us.
What we need is a clean slate, to hell with those liblabcon’s who have put us in the situation we are in.
A pox on them all
It pretty simple really:
Vote: Brown = Get Brown
Vote: Lib/Dem with Labour 1st = Get Brown
Vote: Lib/Dem with Labour 1st or 2nd = Get Browm
Vote: Lib/Dem with Labour 3rd = Get NuLabour +later perhaps no Brown
Vote: Tory = 100% Change and Definitely NO Brown
No very hard is it.
Of course its NOT
It pretty simple really:
Vote Dave = Get Blair
Let’s get him back in whatever form. The country has gone tits up since he left.
Vote: Labour = get the power behind the Blair throne
Vote: Conservative = get mini-Blair
Vote: Lib/Dem = get mini-Cameron
If you believe any of THAT will happen then welcome to La-la LibDem land
Under those circumstances they’d tell Clegg to bugger off.
Besides, there’s still time for a collapse of the Lib Dem vote…
Compulsory voting? What on earth for? Have you thought through all the implications of this monstrous notion?
What is the point of enforcing compulsory voting? If individual voters aren’t interested in expressing an opinion then why criminalise them for not voting (as in Australia)?
Another thing – if voters are compelled to vote then they’re probably going to vote randomly or spoil their ballot (if that is allowed in this Brave New World).
Surely a better option is to have a ‘None of the above’ tick box – that would allow voters a way to show their dissatisfaction with the process.
Please select your candidate from the list below
[] Crap
[] Shit
[] Excrement
[] Other (similar to Crap, Shit and Excrement)
[] Fuck the lot of ‘em!
The whole issue of electoral reform is a minefield for the tories and they should avoid it like the plague. Boundary reform is the only electoral reform the tories should be looking at. If they start messing around with PR, MP recall etc., they are asking for trouble.
Agreed.
It’s 11:24 and time to wake up.
Except of course the one eyed mong will have the right to stay at No 10. He won’t leave, he will simply ignore the election and carry on, he will prepare a Queen’s speech and try to do a deal with the other minority parties, especially the fucking jocks, his plan will be to try to split the Limp Dems, many of whom can’t stand the Tories.
The gay jock mong will try to govern as a minority party, even if defeated he will continue on, can’t people work out yet this fucking shit stabbing fat one eyed jock twat is the UK version of Hitler, he’s going no where.
Guido, you think if Balls is defeated that’s him gone, no it’s not. Balls will simply be either parachuted into another safe seat or made Lord fucking fat c u n t of Westminster.
LIEBOUR ARE GOING NO WHERE.
Let him do just that. It’ll only last a few months before it all falls apart and can you imagine the MASSIVE backlash against labour afterwards? They’d be lucky to get 10 seats…
Sorry but have you see the typical Liebour voter? They are vile scum, even with all the fucking mess the one eyed homosexual and the other fucking gay boy Bliar have made (cheers Tony you gave us suicide bombers on the streets of London) still 30% of the Country votes Liebour.
QWERTY understands the big picture.
TWAT!
That is exactly what typical Labour voters are and typical LibDem voters are nearly as bad. Typical tory voters have of course largely disappeared since Cameron hi-jacked the party and tirned its public image into a wishy-washy centrist facade with no real policies.
That’s an insult to vile scum…..
I’ve just made the connection — anti-retroviral drug dependent gayers need the NHS to continue to dispense their life support or they’d all die of HIV AIDS.
In addition, they need their NHS placemen managers to continue to favour them over cancer patients for NHS resources. Isn’t that an awful thing to say? But I bet I’m right.
You might have a point. BUT! There would then be a brutal and bloody Civil War within Labour. Other unions might have an emergency vote to have Unite booted from the TUC, there will be a lot of fun this summer.
QWERTY much as I agree with your political analysis, I am concerned about your pathological rants on homosexuality. Are you trying to tell us something because I think you doth protest to much !
Anon, not I only rant about the poofs in the Liebour party or the BBC please keep up. I hate everyone in the Liebour party and the BBC.
Fuck off thick as thieves
where’s your blog ?
Headless chickens.
Incompetence, corruption and greed? That’s Labour sorted – what do the other two parties do?
They are the same, sadly, and with broadly similar views. It is a dangerous situation when most of the electorate have in effect been disenfranchised.
Essentially the Lib Dems are traitors and the Cameron’s tories are Labour Lite. Mmmm, choices, choices, choices.
“It would be “preposterous” for the leader of a party coming third in the election to remain in Number 10, Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg has told the BBC.
He said it made no sense for Gordon Brown to stay if Labour came third under co-operation in a “potty” system.”
That’s my boy.
But Brown Knows Nothing and doesn’t do sense!
The Tories need to wake up to what is happening. They stupidly seem to think that a coalition is a salvation for them.
My DIPEE policies are clear and non-negotiable :-
DEFENCE: WE SURRENDER !
IMMIGRATION: WE SURRENDER !
PRISONS:: WE SURRENDER !
EURO: WE SURRENDER !
EUROPEAN SUPERSTATE: WE SURRENDER !
Welcome aboard Senator Clegg!!
“Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: if I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.”
So what, Cameron says the same. Like minds in a like-minded coaltion!?!?!
Oh. I thought that the majority view was that any coalition would be a disaster for the economy & the country?
Is it all change,again?
No…….a Hung Parliament WOULD be disastrous for the UK and so would coalition government
Look at Zimbabwe( again!!) Mugabe has got Laddo over from Iran to open their trade fair. All Morgan could do was boycott them. If gordon stays in no 10 he will be (is) a british version of Mugabe!! They won’t be able to fart, never mind get anything done! Oblivion here we come!
At the trade fair….
Mugabe: OK – what are you selling?
Ahmadinnerjacket: Terrorists. Our main exports are terrorism, pistachio nuts and saffron.
Mugabe: Well, we’re OK for terrorists at the moment – our leadership are all ex-terrorists. We’ll take some pistachios though – but what the hell is a saffron?
Ahmadinneracket: It’s a spice that turns food orange. Very expensive, very light.
Mugabe: Ah, Peter Hain juice! Sorry, we don’t need any of that shit here.
Ahmadinnerjacket: We do have some uranium, if you like…
Or to put it another way,… No they fucking haven’t!
They’ve been an economic and foreign policy catastrophe with pointless bloody War, Blair and Brown wrecking civil liberty at home with orwellian statism and then helping the bankers take a shit on the entire economy.
So please! spare us from the obvious CCHQ spin and whining about how terrible things could be if we we have a hung parliament and how wonderful things always are with a majority government.
You must have been asleep for the last 12 years or simply don’t live here.
Yes, the tories are asleep and they do not live `here` but in their own closed little society, no doubt contemplating their career politician future in a LibDem pact. By tory, I mean of course, the centre left gang who have taken control of the party to the detriment of the genuine believers in conservative philosophy. Philosophy is of course a dirty word to the Cameroons.
Thorpe chasing Heath (Part 2)
Very much so, almost in every respect. The only slighht difference is that Cameron is well to the left of Heath.
I’d be happy with a Con-LibDem coalition if it meant ZanuLabour imploded.
I’d be happy if the liblabcon imploded.
Tat….
Great idea 1-Join EURO. 2-Confirm Trident.3-Count bodies!
A naieve view. Coalition will destroy the tories.
I fear you are right. It’s All or Nothing. A majority Conservative government or we’re fucked.
I say put the queen back into power!!
We’ve had enough of Mandelson FFS
LOL ,good one,and your right, we have!
Yes, The Queen would be good. The three party leaders are unfit for power.
Psst, Guido. You cannot vote for a hung parliament.
The optimistic point about the talk of a hung parliament is that it will get people out to vote. Six months ago this election was looking like it would be the worst turn out every, with the “I haven’t voted” being the winner. Now people are getting galvanised and there will be a bigger turnout than there has been for decades. The irony is that this will not result in a hung parliament, but instead it will result in a real majority.
Guido, if you want a hung parliament you should persuade people not to vote. But even you cannot do that successfully now.
Agreed. The media are starting to believe their own fucking hype, just like they did in 1992..
AND you can imagine them salivating over the result now….days and weeks of haggling between the parties ..umpteen programmes/newsnight specials and interviews with “THE PUBLIC” and all the time the world imploding all about us
All the fucking mainstream, media and party’s are playing the fiddle while Rome burns. And good fucking riddance to them and Rome.
The leftwing media, and particularly the BBC, have created this hung parliament hype. Why? A coalition will finish off the tories for good. Dave has tried his best but this will conclude it.
Dave has tried his best? Was that his best? God help us all, vote for anyone outside of the big three, they are all corrupt and fucking useless.
When you are losing the polls are wrong.
It’s an Iron Law of psephology and pretending EVERYTHING IS SUPER!
Tat..
Gordon is ‘fighting for his life’. If only, eh?
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Gordon-Brown-Says-He-Is-Fighting-For-His-Life-Labour-Leader-Is-Behind-In-Polls-With-Two-Weeks-To-Go/Article/201004415619207?lpos=Politics_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_5&lid=ARTICLE_15619207_Gordon_Brown_Says_He_Is_Fighting_For_His_Life%3A_Labour_Leader_Is_Behind_In_Polls_With_Two_Weeks_To_Go
Watch him speak to Kay Burley on the train. He looks fucked.
Burley trying desperately to bring out his human side, and failing miserably. She’s no Piers Morgan, that’s for sure.
I think Kay did a better job than Piers, to be honest.
The interview left me feeling a little bit sad. I realised that Gordon Brown is a man who is a perfect example of someone promoted way beyond his abilities.
I don’t think he has, to coin a footballing phrase, the big match temperament.
He should not be prime minister, he should not have been chancellor.
I think -and I mean this in a nice way- that he should spend more time with his family. Perhaps a nice croft in Scotland, tending a few sheep, a goat and some hens, writing books on the history of Scotland whilst his wife runs a PR consultancy using satellite broadband.
I agree, but I hope he gets cancer as well.
and he has to wait 180 months to get seen.
I had a sewer more in mind for his retirement,along with the other excrement in the Labour Party – I hope he is damned for life,like he has damned our country for decades.
What i can’t understand is why is he holding on to his place as the most unpopular leader since Thatcher, when he has got a much better platform to shaft the country ahead of him! Look at blair! Why is he clinging on so desperately? Is it just a power thing? Or is sombody else pulling the strings? Why is it so important to him to pull the country to pieces? Is it to batter us into submission, therefore making it easier to take us into the United states of europe? or is he just a vindictive bastard cos Tony beat him in 97?
He makes Thatcher seem popular in comparison.
No imagination; inability to be flexible or understand that others may have a better idea; stubborn refusal to be shifted once his mind is made up… and he really does believe the job is rightfully his… He believes he was and is the best out of Bliar, Mandy and himself, the main constructors of NuLabour, and so, in his eyes, the job should have been his from the start… Tramline thinker…In that rigidity he is more than a little bit bonkers… as many have noted…
You are a a bit adrift with the “in his eyes” part of your post.
He’s SO fucking bad the public thinks Dave equally shit
Tat
He may have some very uncomfortable off the books numbers that he is praying do not see the light of day and like Mr Micawber is hourly expecting something to turn up like a surprise win.
Brown going to ‘an NHS rally’. WTF?
Pro-government allies of public employees are the kind of thing that I associate with Castro/Cuba, Chavez/Venezuela, Mugabe/Southern Rhodesia & Big Brother/Oceania.
How low we have sunk as a country.
You are quite right. Third world values and total acceptance of the socialist model of society is what we are left with. The true measure of the depths to which we have sunk is in Camerons acceptance of all this and his complete failure to talk about any of the political issues which voters care about.
Clegg and Cable = Snake Oil Salesmen – Whatever is wrong swallow this and all will be well. We swallowed the con trick that was Blair and his lies and unlike the song from THE WHO, looks like we are about to get fooled again.
Yes – so Cameron needs to talk about the real issues. There`s not much longer left!
Conservative minority Govt looking more likely with some sort of electoral reform deal sketched out.
Clegg effectively ruled out supporting a Labour Party which finishes third in the popular vote on Marr this morning, sounded very scathing about Brown, more so than Cameron.
Brown WILL have to go if they finish third and I can’t see Clegg propping up Johnson/Milliband unless its a set term (6 months?) to introduce PR, then another election.
You dont get what bullshit is do you>
tell me, do you really believe anything these liblabcon mongs say, promise, hint, think, propose, plan, will include this nations best interests, as against their own adgendas.
DONT GET FOOLED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I get that one of them will be PM after this election, and I don’t want it to be Brown.
NOT LISTENING!!!!! LA LA LA LA LA !! NOT LISTENING!!
I’ve got my fingers in my ears and my eyes closed so I can pretend IT ISN’T HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Having looked at the manifesto’s and watched, read and listened I know what I will get with Brown & Co and Cameron and Co. The Libs are a bunch of wooly minded idealistic leftists with a smooth front man, who, as Guido points out does not represent their grass roots. That is a fucking recipe for disaster and conflict within if they hold the balance of power. Meanwhile the UK continues to slide into bankruptcy and decline paralysed by indecision.
Cameron will only go for coalition with LibDems on a “Confidence and Supply” basis and Clegg can forget about PR being on the agenda…if needs be the Conservatives will govern as a “minority government” and dare the LibDems to vote down their Queens Speech with all the resultant opprobium that will fall on Clegg’s shoulders as a result of the negative impact on the markets that that will have. Has Clegg got the balls to face that scenario down…in best X factor style…you decide !!!
The Conservatives will need to be bold, and sadly, boldness is not part of the Cameron agenda.
We say one thing in public and another thing in private.
That’s what my close friend Peter Mandelson told me.
“Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: if I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.”
Clegg saying some strong anti Brown things at the moment, but is this to prepare for the postman or Milibland or Dave?
Mandy’s fingerprints are all over this.
Political flatulence!
Good point, the poisoned poof is missing in action at the moment.
psst……Mandelson is a ‘friend’ of Nicks.
Samba or rumba?
Both.
I doubt Clegg has the slightest regard for swivel-eyed postmen, besides which Johnson has only ever been a Brown cipher and lackey. Milipede major OTOH he could manage an exchange of sentences with.
He`s preparing for Dave, of course. Dave will fall for it because they are all career politicians of identical social attitude.
Your piece correctly assumes what Clegg said this morning – liebour are now irrelevant.
Ignore Mandy at your peril… You have been warned!!!
Like General de Gaulle, I shall await the call of the people to form a government in these uncertain times.
Maybe he’ll go for speaker after the Berks demise.
Whatever, he’ll be campaigning for free Botox for slimy rigor-mortis faced Lards in the next parliament.
The media want Clegg to destroy the two-party system, and with it, the Tories, forever.
The best strategy for Cameron is to let Labour who come in third, yet have the most seats, form a coalition with the LibDems who come in second. Clegg will insist on Miliband or similar as Prime Minister. All the Tories have to do is watch on as the public see 2 parties and one Prime Minister, not elected on a majority, go about cutting jobs, raising VAT and reducing teachers, nurses, police etc.
They will do all the dirty work for David before the riots start, then within a year, there is another election as the Lib/Lab coalition collapses and the public hate what has been done and Dave will be swept in on a majority landslide.
Not to mention the IMF waiting in the wings when the markets take fright at the resultant conflagration.
Yes, this is a possibility and certainly a far more preferable option than a
Cameron/Clegg coalition, which would detsroy the Tories for exactly the same reasons.
I Presume you have never heard of The Civil Contingencies Act? The excuse Labour want, to shut down democracy forever in the UK.
Bookies are wrong because the polls are wrong. Tories will still win a small majority. Twenty or so.
All this talk of a hung Parliament will all look like so much w*nk in a fortnight. The LibDems wouldn’t last five minutes in a Govt. that has to take hard choices.
Has Dave sealed the deal or are you just voicing your opinion?
The opinion of the Bloke Who Knows is always spot on.
And this is the last election that Labour will contest believing it is something other than an inner-city pressure group.
” And this is the last election” should the liblabcon get a free hand to do as they wish.
The game is EU dominance, our parliament is almost a parish council as things stand now. By 2015 there will be no need for a GE, and I will be living in Region 6 of what was England.
Dave will do brilliantly because I fucking say so!!!
my pet rabbit was only saying the same thing yesterday morning and he is a bunny “who knows” a thing or two!
Bunnies ceratinly know more than the nutty tories who think a coalition with Clegg will save them. Such a coalition will finish them off!
I’m someone who has always believed that a Con-LD coalition is more natural than a Lab-LD one because at the very core of both parties is a belief in the freedom of the individual from the state. All matters of policy concern the indvidual-state relationship and I would rather this be heavily weighted in favour of the individual.
As regards the current situation, the boost in Lib Dem support has now made it more encumbent upon them to act responsibly in the case of a hung parliament. A few weeks ago they could have got away with unofficial support for a minority Tory administration that was perhaps just short of a majority, but now it looks like the Tories will fall much shorter the Lib Dems have to act lest we be left with no working government at all. The public will likely punish them if they’re perceived to have precipitated a second election within months.
I can’t see any areas where compromise between Cameron and Clegg wouldn’t be possible and I also believe they would find it easy to work together on a personal level, something which shouldn’t be underestimated.
Electoral reform may become the most crucial issue in negotiations. The stronger the Lib Dem popular vote, the harder it will be for Cameron to deny them PR. That would be an extraordinarily brave decision for Cameron to take, but he would go down in history for it.
PR isn’t all bad news for the Tories though because it would almost certainly split the Labour Party. One little commented-upon aspect of PR is that it encourages rebellious elements to break-away and form smaller parties and no party is more internally riven than Labour.
If PR comes in, expect the left of Labour to split from the centre-left Blairites and drift off into political oblivion, leaving a new political landscape in which the Tories, much like the CDU/CSU in Germany are the largest party in perpetuity and in a stronger position to lead future coalition governments, either with the Liberal Democrats or even with, yes, a centrist Labour party.
And what makes you think the Tory right will not similarly split off and even absorb UKIP into a Eurosceptic party?
or join the other eurosceptic party, after all country before party is the only way.
This is very interesting. but what if Clegg is offered something really big from Labour? Would he swallow the poisoned bait like several Liberal/Lib Dem leaders, before?
Gordon Brown Knows Nothing, is Labour doomed? Would Brown offer Clegg and Cable two really plum jobs to get them ot side with Labour, post election? Man convicted of selling potentially poisonous meat revealed as top Lavour donor. And why doesn’t the BBC REALLY want the SNP in the debates? More problems with Labour’s Stormtrooper Parachute candidates. Plus! MORE corruption at the heart of Scottish Labour!
Remember!!!!” All the Talents”!!!!
Arghhh! All the talents!
Sorry, we’re all out of talents at the moment – some idiot sold most of the golden ones and the silver talents just didn’t cut it.
We’ll be printing some paper talents soon – I believe they are called New Labour Degree Certificates, and unfortunately they are worthless, but there’s a nice man from Goldman Sachs who says he will sell them for us for a small fee.
My blog is a hilarious piece of shit!
It is written.
I don’t think there’s much risk of a eurosceptic break-away from the Tories because I believe that PR would force the Tories to shift further to the right on Europe anyway to head-off UKIP.
Too long, check spelling (‘encumbent’?), drop inane Americanisms (‘boost’), and reads like an insincere salesman’s patter learnt by rote.
LibDems are less Socialist than Labour in respect to certain affairs, and more Socialist as to others. They are collectivist in their doctrines if you trouble yourself with perusing their manifesto – a Tory, and true Whig, cannot be such (yes, I’m aware the Cameron-led party is not individualist).
But then, as an ad hoc arrangement, the Tories and Lib Dems on a local council I know of work together very well.
And on a council I know, Labour and Libdems work ‘well’ together. They are a disaster, but they work ‘well’ together.
Yep. It was the same when the Lib Dems held power on the council I am thinking of. Must be Labour that’s the problem, then!
Useful analysis. The LibDems are less blue than Conservatives, and less red than Labour. Also, my coffee cup is less full than it was 2 minutes ago, but more full than it will be in 5 minutes time.
Don’t take the p-ss.
My point clearly was aiming to dispel that indestructible illusion that the Liberal Democrats are ‘moderate’. They are Socialists with higher uni degrees and flashier cars than the common Labourite factory Bolshevik.
Their manifesto explicitly praises and vows to enlarge the ‘welfare’ state which has swallowed up and torn apart the country.
True, but Dave the Bold is also in favour of massive welfare and fully accepts the socialist model of society.
If Cameron does not win an outright majority then he will be toast. The genuine conservatives in the Tory party, who are in the great majority, will see to it that he and his Blue Labour clique get to spend more time with their money.
Hallelujah! Spot on.
The frost which has seized and crippled the actual Tories in the Conservative Party, in the event of a frail or failed Cameron government (very probable), will as the poet Milton says, undergo a thaw so intense that the frost not melts but burns away.
If you meant to spell it ‘Hallelujah’ rather than ‘Alleluia’ I can deduce, among other things, whose lackey you are.
You are a diabolically insidious and false-hearted one Maximus.
It occurred to my more than considerable erudition that the word was represented in English in either of those two forms, but I chose the version which agrees with the Hebrew original and I believe was used by Milton most often.
Finally, any government which swears it shall decrease tyrannical interference in private life deserves my admiration and my suffrage. Blue Labour is a different colour from Red Labour and Yellow Labour.
D’you know – I’m 45 and I’ve never come across the ‘alleluia’ spelling before.
I guess that puts me firmly in the Rangers camp rather than the Celtic…
I thought that was his drift too, that Maximus was accusing religious motives as deciding my choice of spelling.
I am a Protestant who favours the Jewish State but that does not affect this matter.
As alleluia is used by Christians
Fucking Happy Clappy new church Christians. Where’s your fucking backbone? ‘Allelulia’ my arse.
Anyway, what’s wrong with a bit of old fashioned Calvinism?
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127, this at least is something to look forward to!
Whatever hapens, Gordon will refuse to leave No. 10. It is his by right for having done the right thing forever.
Dear Gordon. Here is some advice to prevent being evicted from your own directgov website.
•make a list of all your debts and put them in order of priority
•write down all your income and expenses – then see how much you’ve got to pay your debts
•work out how much you can afford to pay to each creditor (a person or organisation you owe money to)
•consider seeking advice from a debt advice agency such as National Debtline (see ‘Help and advice’ below)
•most importantly, talk to your landlord – try to reach an agreement about paying off the arrears, but don’t agree to pay more than you can afford. One way to do this is through an agreed debt management plan.
Or,,,, Uncle Alan Sugar will bail you out!
Grodon’s fucked whatever happens
Bye Bye Brown!
Cameron needs to wake up to what is happening or he will be toast alongside Brown.
Dave going back on another one his promises
What happened to ‘I won’t form a minority government’ ‘I won’t be part of a coalition’
The man flops more than a jelly fish
59 You need to provide a link to those statements of Cameron.
Plus, sometimes the pragmatic approach is the only sensible option.
Dave is not a pragmatist, if he were, his vacillations would be excuseable. Sadly he actually believes in the nebulous leftist careerist approach.
Whatever happens, you can be sure Mandelson will come up trumps.
Is Trumps a Brazilian then ??
Don’t you mean cum up rumps
Yeah,, i bet he loves Van Rompuy!!!
True, but not relevant. He is also friendly with leading Tories.
whenever I watch Nick Clegg I just see an impersination of Alistair Cambell, is it just me or as anybody else noticed this? oh and by the way I did think this before the Elvis comeback so go easy on me.
A clegg is a large nasty blood sucking horse fly with a painful irritating bite,familiar in Scotland, where Campbell is a familiar Scots name.Perhaps there is a connection.
The media are all plugging for Clegg so they can destroy the tories.
Peter Oborne wrote an interesting piece about Mandys’ role in all of this yesterday.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/debate/article-1268443/PETER-OBORNE-Civil-war-rank-treachery-Prince-Darkness.html
He’s not called the Prince of Darkness for nothing.
Has this Mandy been in prison?
Cameron should not be dealing with him then.
play the vid
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6272805.ece
Cameron needs to play it.
I think if no party wins outright and the two major parties have around 260 seats then Dave ought to sit it out for a year whilst the fault lines between Gordon and Clegg ruin both parties utterly. Even if they go ahead and change the electoral system to AV, the British electorate will soon find a way round such contrived stitch-up – by either voting decisively against AV, or (if AV is instigated) by tactical voting for MPs hereafter.
Remember the Laberal coalition will have to preside over public spending cuts so severe that an outbreak of Public Sector strikes will paralyse many areas of Public Life, especially if Clegg attempts to try his hand at some DIY politics for the first time. For him the reins of power will doubtless be like trying to land a plane whilst reading the manual.
Who wants to be remembered in the History books for a failed coalition?
If anyone remembers John Smith he is still looked upon fondly; though he was never PM. If Dave plays his hand wrong after a hung parliament he will incur all the blame without ever having enjoyed true power.
Putting personal political advantage above the nation’s interests – I can relate to that.
Yes all the big tax rises and cuts a set for 2011 whoever is in power will be very unpopular, good tactic for Labour to have kicked them into the long grass during election year although not that good for the country as it has only led to even more borrowing.
They burried John Smith on Iona with The kings of Scotland FFS ! That revealed just how powerful Labour are in Scotland. It was also one of the first examples of the propaganda soon to be evident in the nu Labour Years.
Why do you think Mandy is pushing him? He will be so easy to manipulate from behind the scenes.
Yes, but who does SuperDave never mention any of this?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1268687/Stars-condemn-Tories-plans-BBC.html
Save our BBC
Self-funding BBC = end of TV Tax = one less tax to pay = vote winner.
Fuck the BBC, they’ve had their chance and they blew it ‘cos they just can’t disguise their leftie credentials. Just the other day for example on Radio 4, they mentioned Brown was on the campaign trail, and Clegg was having a day off. Absolutely no mention of Cameron. They don’t seem to realise that sneaky little omissions like that get up peoples noses, and are definitely noticed.
The BBC`s `impartiality` is largely to blame for all this. And Call Me Dave is afraid to tackle them.
Popularist has been’s lining up to protect their pay checks, lets face it who else is going to employ them if not the BBC?. Tell us why you are refusing to release details of the salaries of your top executives and *stars* despite repeated FOI requests and give it a rest with the faux outrage programmes about the service of the plumber down the road.
Awwww boo hoo, poor little celebrities.
I’m not going to take you seriously until you learn the English spelling of ‘cheque’, until then you’re just some fucking Yank.
The usual suspects I see.
The EU will take over regardless of who wins.
Yes, because Dave has not done and will not do what he has promised.
Whatever happens the UK taxpayer is gonna lose.
I can’t wait !!!!
Tat ..,,
Where is the Tory commitment to reduce taxes and cut the number of local government bureaucrats? Speak up Dave!
There’s an awful lot of “if” going on here.
Let’s look at the certainties. The polls do not give a clear lead to any party at present, but the Conservatives are closest to one. There’s a final leaders’ debate to come, and being on the economy, it likely to further depress the Labour poll ratings. Whether Tories or Lib Dems (or both) gain from this, we don’t yet know. There’s also a week and a half of “events, dear boy, events” which might throw up something.
I predict a bitter battle over economic matters, and the party steadiest under fire is likely to be the one least damaged.
It looks increasingly likely that Labour might be relegated to being the party with the third-largest number of seats in the Commons. That won’t stop them trying to form alliances, but the price demanded by the other parties may be more than they are prepared to stomach.
I think Guido may have a point. A Conservative/LibDem alliance might be possible, and would be much neater than an alliance between the largest party and a disparate group of Nats and smaller parties. However, I don’t think it would last too long – there may be agreement about the need to attack the deficit, but I suspect there would be real battles over how. The other defence and Europe divides might be too wide.
The true state of the nations voting intentions will become apparant in the Polls only after the Final Leaders debate as the msm will no longer need to create the facade of a close run thing. Its all about the ratings remember.
The polls might be wrong but ever single one of them isn’t THAT wrong.
The Euro Elections were as tough to call with tactical voting and the pollsters were within the margin of error while a couple of them were bang on.
The Tory press have thrown everything they had at Clegg and it hasn’t killed him.
The Economic debate will be who do we trust, who’s Tax cuts look best while pretending there won’t be tax rises, who will cut what and bash the bankers.
These are dangerous times for the Tory Party. Its longterm existence as a party of government is at stake, Can Dave see it?
If it’s Brown, flush it down.
If it’s yellow, marry the fellow.
If its Blue, Thank God!
And a yellow streak up the back-give him the sack.
Cameron is toast , let the liblab knobjockeys deal with the upcoming civil unrest , strikes etc , then give Dan Han the Tory leadership , someone with vision unlike call me dave’s cast iron wishy washy appeal to all crap .
Too much of the Merrydown mate.
True, the sooner the better! Hannan will be ideal.
6/4 for an overall Tory majority, great value .. turn £40 into £100 .. easy peasy lemon squeezy
Don`t be so sure!
I absolutely love your positive thinking on this but I have my own take on this one, which I suspect may be a little more suited to what the Tories have planned:
http://xxxrated.livejournal.com/549342.html
A cunning plan Rated.. What about Tricky Nicky in this plan? He could be playing the same game, no support for the Labour party (Marr Show), an alliance with the Tories..
Dave as PM, Clegg, Cable and Hoon as part of the Cabinet. The same borrowing, same drastic cuts, same outcome..!!
The Limps blame Dave and the Tories, second election, the Limp Dums get a majority, job done..??
Clegg, Cable and Hoon are devious bastards, not to be trusted.. They’ve had a sniff of the barmaids apron, they know they can’t win this election but in 2 years time it could be a very different outcome..
I hope your theory comes to fruition but I won’t be holding my breath..
They are certainly not to be trusted. Dave is naieve to do so.
But what happens when one goes into the booth and pick up the pencil? My shire went blue last June and the BNP picked up votes, those issues have not gone away, are the people who voted for the ‘others’ last time just going to about turn and vote Liberal?
I think not, and I don’t see a huge level of agreement between polls either. I’d like a good long look at what’s happening in the marginals and I don’t mean Lab-Con marginals I mean Lab-Lib marginals, will it galvanise the Con vote there?
Predicting three way elections is tricky.
“Most Tories can live with LibDem manifesto commitments on tax (apart from the enterprise killing capital gains hike)”
Guido – you’re missing the worst, and most socialist, tax – the wealth tax (“mansion tax”). Like most, I won’t be affected by it initially as it is set at a very high level. But it opens the doors to a French-style Wealth tax. This is new for us – we tax money flows and transactions, not absolute values. This would require the state, not the market, to set valuation prices.
Who will value Blenheim Palace, for example?
What if your home is valued at, say £3m, but you cannot sell it at that level? Will the government be a guaranteed buyer?
Once a Wealth Tax is enshrined in law, successive governments will lower the threshold (and raise the rate) until it does not pay to have earned or saved.
This Tory cannot live with LibDem tax proposals and finds it hard to live with Tory ones where they can be identified.
The Labour Party – the c*unt of c*unts
Gordon Brown and his thugs – the excrement of excrement
May 7th 2010 – the day we reclaim this land from those thugs and c*unts,the excrement of our age.
I just wish Brown would visit my town – he would mince away like the coward he is,crying and wetting himself as he realised that We,The People will finish him off.
So will we put you down as a No then ?
If its a Labour canvaser they’d put undecided.
Are you from SHunthorpe?
I come from Uranus,actually.
Gordon Brown is on the BBC so much I am starting to listen to him.
It worked for Hitler and Stalin
I thought under election law the time had to be balanced,is it criminal?
Who is this arrogant muppet who is so far up his own arse ?
Tats’ boyfriend.
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Who is this arrogant muppet who is so far up his own arse?
Simpkes. Cameron has lost the plot.
Has anyone youtubed the Elvis gaffe from yesterday yet? It was the most deliciously cringeworthy thing I have watched since The Office.
The look on Magda’s face and Gorgon’s forced smile when shaking the hands of bewildered audience members as the guy was crooning over their shoulder and getting ever closer.
starts at 56 seconds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8641849.stm
Gordon throws off the hands of Mandelson and like an ego tripped pop star says he will manage himself..and instant disaster follows.
He’s about to follow in the footsteps of other one hit wonders.
Alive and Kicking,The Vapors, Nena and Men Without Hats. Jim Callaghan…
Yeah they got the idea from David Lynch.
Can’t find it anywhere but apparently Hariett Harman said there will be pay rises for every public sector worker each year of the governments term.
It was on 5 live. Missed it myself but the guests were talking about it afterwards.
Has she escaped this gaffe as no one was listening?
It was on steve nolans programme – link is on iain dales site, interview starts at about 1hr 40 min mark.
A complete car crash of an interview.
I have just listened to the whole interview on iplayer.
Harriet Harman is without doubt the thickest of the thickest in Labour,alongside Woodward.
You can actually hear her trying to string words together to form a sentence,at her worst when trying to speak consecutive words to form a sentence about the economy.
An example of a totally useless person being promoted by the excrement Brown to a position (Leader of House of Commons) about 50 above her real ability (Sewer Cleaner,with her tongue).
Mrs Dale has it covered
http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2010/04/harman-eviscerated-in-5-live-interview.html
Many thanks. Just the thing for a rainy afternoon.
This is the first time I’ve heard of Nolan, what a bloody great interview. Nolan knocks the so called top political interviewers for six. I would love to put Brown in the chair facing him.
Harriet Harman blatently lied when asked what Fred Goodwin was given a knighthood for during PMQ’s . The answer was of course services to Banking. Harman panicked and lied that it was for services to charity or some nonsense. She later retracted this answer in a written “clarification”. This was clearly a deliberate tactic to avoid an embarassing answer. She is partial to this tactic. She is also not very bright.
201 Is it because they are upper class twits perchance?
Before voting, remember last time, we ‘trusted’ the judgement of a guy who looked across a room and thought Cherie Blair was gorgeous..
Slotgob was a good dick sucker
Look at the snatch on that!
http://www.fanakapan.com/blogs/uploaded_images/yawn2-772651.jpg
She’s always gorgeing.
“Postal votes give Cameron one foot in Downing Street.”
Rather surprisingly, a poll suggests the Tories may be ahead on postal votes.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/election/article-1268579/General-Election-2010-Cameron-ahead-new-Mail-On-Sunday-poll.html
“But he looks set to fall short of an overall majority, plunging Britain into the uncertainty of a hung Parliament”
Bollocks
Guido – why not have a sweepstakes;
Guess the exact time on Friday 7th May 2010 that Gordon Brown actually announces that he accepts that he has lot the election.
My guess is 6.25am
in 2045
Having worked with and against the Lib Dems as Councillors I know their Concillors have a very wide range of political views and backgrounds. They will change their views and voting depending who got to their private Group Meeting before the Council Meeting. Their infighting is just amazing.
What will be interesting will be the political background and stance of any newly elected Lib Dem MPs and how this will affect any post-election discussion.
We know the new Conservate MPs will toe the line as they have been carefully selected by CCO.
How careful was the selection of the Libdem candidates when some that may win were only selected just to make up the numbers.
You Celts got the country into this mess man i’m fresh of the boat
hello
Gordon here
I thought I would say hello to you as part of my new new strategy of getting jiggy wiv it. I would like you to know that all of my life has been dedicated to the development of a fair and just society. My parents instilled these ideas into me from a very early age.
You also need to know that I will be on Blue Peter this week as well as playing a bit part as Prime Minister in Coronation Street. I play myself of course. Next weekend I will be sharing the sports studio with the bright young men at Sky Sports. I love my football, a game my parents took me to see when I was young.
In the words of the header, I am getting real and its fun!
Cameron has a bunch of junior school kids cheering him on, this is getting more North Korea every day.
I’m never going to work a day of my life in this country you can’t take that away from me, it’s your fault i am here. You made my ancestors slaves so this is pay back.
No no that was us
even the spoof is getting vicious
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s1i73793
Whats this about a hanging parliament?
yep the top 1% are today a year since last time a third more richer under labour.
whens the next debate and what channel?
that would be back to same old game no change as usual hog fest again. I think not.
So is this why Liberal Dave has been trying so hard not to have an outright Tory win at the election?
pikey playing the 15 mm copper pipe.
I’ve just dropped my prospective labour candidate a note –
Having voted Labour up to 1997 I think I am ideally placed to comment on what I perceive to be the most obnoxious, authoritarian, bullying and incompetent, selfish and economically useless bunch of cowardly fascists I have ever seen. Yes, I’m talking about the new labour party, endowed with talentless individuals, some of whom are elected, and most of whom have stolen from the taxpayer and yet continue to parade themselves as being fair-minded and wanting fairness for all. What a bunch of hypocritical charlatans.
I’m not sure it’s strong enough. Any ideas?
There are two major reasons for me hating the Labour party in it’s current incarnation. The first is it’s profligate spending of our money on anything and everything, including propping up busted bank businesses. The second is their reliance on bullying, smear and outright lies in their public relations. British people deserve to be treated with much more respect than that.
No they don’t. They are dull and ignorant .Uneducated.Thick as shit,x factor wannabees who deserve respect like leeches in a blood bank.
Speak for yourself.
Jedwood engineer
It’s nowhere near strong enough. Here’s my version:
Having fucking voted for you fucking useless New Labour cuпts up to 2005 I think I am ideally placed to comment on what I perceive to be the most fucking obnoxious, authoritarian, bullying and totally fucking incompetent, selfish and economically fucking useless bunch of shitty cowardly fascist cuпts I have ever seen in my entire fucking life. Yes, I’m talking about the fucking New fucking Labour fucking Party, endowed with totally fucking talentless individuals, some of whom are elected, and most of whom are criminals and have stolen from the taxpayer and yet continue to parade themselves as being fair-minded and wanting fairness for all. What a bunch of fucking hypocritical charlatan fucking cuпts you all are.
Fuck off you fucking cuпty cuпts.
Thanks. I feel a little better now.
You are Malcolm Tucker and I claim my £5 plus expenses.
I just tried to say something similar and got censored,fucking conservative site
One of the current problems is that Labour is simply refusing to acknowledge the talent that exists in its ranks, and until it does no effective coalition can be put together.
Listen to Harriet Harman eloquently putting the case for Labour in this interview with Steve Nolan.
Start at 1h 46m.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s6kx4/Stephen_Nolan_24_04_2010/
saw Harriet Harman and decided not even going to listen.
You missed an epic.
After listening to it you will understand why Mandelson told her to shut up.
I’ve just listened to it. Nolan did well to keep going. Getting a straight answer, or anything approximating to truthful, out of Harman must be like nailing jelly to a ceiling, but Harman’s performance is jaw-droppingly excrutiating.
Let me water board her
Fucking Moley using the word eloquently
She is saying the leaflets are not national. But they are. The only way she can say they are not is because Labour is skint and is not fighting it’s safe seats,So no leaflets are going out at all to them.
Harriet is a real credit to the labour party..
Harmans new partner.
Do you think I would damage my reputation by hooking up with that clown ?
It sounds like Liverpool West Derby is going to vote B*NP if the conversations in the local pubs are anything to go by.It’s pub goer’s that vote as they tend to pass the voting station on the way to the pub.
Because if Dave doesn’t deliver power after having a 28 point lead then he’s going to get shafted and replaced very quckly by all the tories who thought his “Big Society” Eco Green bollocks was a mistake from day 1.
It is official.
I hate Gordon Brown more than anyone else.
I want this lump of crap removed forever,never to blight our shores again.
And take the Balls and his sister Cooper Balls and Harman and Mandelson and Straw and N Fatso Brown and Darling and Woodward and Alexander and Hoon and on and on and on and on the list goes.
It really does remind me of the line-up at The Nuremburg Trials – these thugs must face prosecution and expect the ultimate sentence.
Vote B*NP and we will give you your Nuremberg.
Yes labour are a total waste of space and all of the cabinet are promoted way beyond ability. I fear though that Nick “Darcy” and his party will be the same..
If you ever catch us stealing from you again you will have the right to recall us.
Notice no mention of it being a crime like it is for the rest of us. So they are pre whiting out what is now a crime but would be an error for them. Slimy dirty rotten to the core Hunts.They won’t change. If you listen to this drivel they spout you will get the same shit you have had for century’s. this time next year you will be paying £1.80 a litre for fuel,20 vat on food.And don’t forget as much as it is said to be the other way round.YOU WORK FOR THEM.
If you havent already done so you really have to check out Harmans train crash of an interview last night. An example of genuine stupidity from this aristocratic hypocrite who wants to be Prime Minister one day.
Nolan: “For the second time cause you say this election is about Jobs. Is unemployment under the Labour Government now higher than its even been since 1994 ? Yes or No.?”
Harman: Unemployment is not higher under this Government as it would have been under the Tories.
Such imbicillic answers should debar people like this clown from holding public office.
And to think some people see her as the next leader of the Labour Party.
FFS !
Action starts around 1hr :46
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s6kx4/Stephen_Nolan_24_04_2010/
and if them “some people” are the top of the shit pile what does that say about the rest of us.
She was floundering over the leaflets issued by labour candidates such as Jim Knight,Employment Minister and John Tricket PPS to Gordon Brown alleging without foundation that the Tories would deprive the elderley of benefits….all she had to do was say “Yes…it was a mistake and as deputy Leader of the Labour Party I apologise” end of in 30 seconds or less rather that the ten minutes of bullshit which made her look a complete idiot and unable to actually admit that the Labour party is fallible and they perhaps went a bit over the top in these allegations…… they wonder why they’re third in the polls
She reacted exactly as the bullied do. It comes from the top down.
When all the party’s refer to expenses fiddling as theft I will listen.
and when they say any future fiddle will be a crime under law,not a recall I will too
True. If an MP is caught an election should be triggered by the fact he is in prison. The more high up you are the more responsibility you have and the longer the sentence.
[...] April 25, 2010 by Jason Sorens Guido Fawkes makes the libertarian case for a Tory-Lib Dem coalition. [...]
Alan Sillitoe dead. RIP
Taken from today’s Telegraph letters column;
“SIR – Thirteen years ago we were introduced to a new kind of politics by New Labour and its leader, Tony Blair, who was a young face telling us that things were going to change under his premiership.
Things did change: we had an illegal war in Iraq, spin, a raid on pensions and the biggest budget deficit ever.
Now we are presented with Tony Blair mark two in the form of Nick Clegg, who similarly asks us to trust him and his new third way in politics.
As we are walking into the nightmare of a hung parliament, let’s hope we all wake up before embarking on another 13 years of political hell, which could see a Labour and Liberal Democrat pact that destroys this once-great country forever.
Interesting scenario Guido….I suspect that when push comes to shove not as many people as the polls suggest will vote for the Lib Dems…It’s aptly demonstrated by the deep political thought expressed by the lady who said that she was a Conservative voter but had decided to vote for Nick Clegg as she did not like Cameron’s lips….that’s also dependent on said voters finding their way to the voting station on election day.
As for the Tories allowing the Lib Dems with their immigration policies to have primacy in Home Affairs would be tantamount to allowing Gary Glitter in a nursery….as the French might say ‘un suicide politique’…..
I;m just off to shit in some jet engines.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You twat Guido!! You’ve been banging on for 5 years about how the Tories are gonna walk it and now your forced into what you yourself would call an “embarrassing U-turn” if made by a politician.
I see you’re now desperately trying to cling on to some credibility with this post a few days before it actually happens, but your millions of past ramblings show you up as a delusional tosser!
Hard luck mate.
Whats happening with the Jacqui Smith campaign. Is she also up for having a Balls moment on the 6th. Its all gone quite with her.
Dont forget the ‘shy’ tory vote, back in 92 labour had a opinion poll lead of 1%. come election day this was out by 9% and major won. love to see cleggs face if that happens thou not quite as much as Browns losing speech i’ve bought the Champagne already!
Will Calamity be taking the yellow brick road to his 26 room chalet in the Swiss alps to”PREARE FOR GOVERNMENT”?
“Change is definitely coming and it will probably be in the form of a coalition.” The first four words are right at least.
I have never quite understood why people think Lib Dem activists are to the left of Labour. It just ain’t so. We dispair of all the things that frighten Tories – The human rights act, health and safety act – common people with problems – but once they (the Tories) can be calmed down and convinced that the world they know isn’t heading for oblivion, it is possible to work with them.
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