March 26th, 2010

Fiddled Figures Hide Debt Black Hole

Black Hole BudgetGordon Brown claims that because UK debt levels are lower than other European countries he can run Greek-style deficits. This ignores all the debts that the taxpayer is on the hook for even if they are off the books.  Local government pensions are just one example: Bloomberg is reporting that English local councils’ pension plans are underfunded by £65 billion – all off the books making it look as if the UK has lower debts than it really has.

Andrew Clare, professor of asset management at Cass Business School in London, has published research today confirming widely held fears, “Pension provision is one of the most pressing issues of our time … Unless drastic reform takes place, the black hole in this scheme will have to be funded by the underlying sponsor: the British taxpayer.”

Guido asked Gordon Brown (video above) about this very point back in October 2008, his disingenuous monotone answer is here.  The national debt figures have been fiddled to also ignore the billions in PFI deals that are off the books but for which the taxpayer is on the hook. Not very credible to claim we have low national debt is it?


  1. 1
    Mikey says:

    But it is the right thing to do…………………….. and it is all the fault of Mrs Thatcher, and the Conservatives. It started in America, and we are best placed to weather the storm………. yawn, yawn yawn

  2. 2
    filipinomonkey says:

    Is he just trying to fool us, or does he REALLY believe it is so?

    I sort of just expect it is the first, but am scared it is the second…

  3. 3
    Martin Day says:


    In anything approaching normal circumstances, the Conservative poll lead would have been 30 points. It would have been that under Thatcher; perhaps even Major; conceivably Macmillan. But the “modernised” Conservative Party is a synthetic, alien, Heath-Robinson construct that is already falling apart. The dictatorial imposition of six A-List candidates, composed of women, ethnic minorities and homosexuals, on constituency associations was the last straw. The majority of the Tory Party hates Cameron and cannot wait to see him crash and burn.

    The “cast-iron” lie about the Lisbon Treaty referendum; the endless contradictions on the economy; the insolence towards party workers; the clique dominating the party and lecturing true Conservatives about their outmoded principles; the aggressive complicity with the culturally Marxist PC agenda; the flaky, drama queen women candidates; the sense of entitlement; above all, the sheer, monumental incompetence: what’s not to like – especially if you are a Labour supporter? Why are the Tories struggling in the polls? Because their core vote has abandoned them – as they arrogantly encouraged it to do.

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    filipinomonkey says:

    You forgot Ashcroft, has to be implicated somewhere…

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    gj says:

    Off the books accounting – now, let me see, which companies have done that and what was the result?
    Suggest we place all Liebour politicians in the ‘black hole’ and let the lying, thieving bastards rot.

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    anon for obvious reasons says:

    I now have two pensions. A final salary pension and and old age pension.
    This has now put me in the top ten per cent of ‘earners’ in the country.

    On top of that i dont pay N.I, i get a heating allowance and bus pass and other benefits.

    This is unsustainable madness. I cannot continue.!!

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    Hang The Bastards says:

    He is a lying bong-eyed-Hunt who will be wiped of the face of the earth in a few weeks time.

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    Mikey says:

    And of course, the other Tory non doms. Naturally our non dom donors pay all their taxes in this country.

    What do you mean, so does Lord Ashcroft?? No, he’s a Tory, so he must be exposed for that.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    In a way not worth saying as its “but look they’re worse!”, but anyway…

    Do places like Greece or France count future pensions claims as debt?
    Theres pretty much no such thing as a private pension in France, the state is supposed to pay the lot.

  10. 10
    Anonymous says:

    Need to stick a warning on to have coffee Before clicking the gordon link.

    Made me fall asleep and now I’m late for work

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    The Devil's representative says:

    Gordon Brown will go down in history as the biggest fraudster ever to enter politics.

    He is an impostor and a charlatan,sent by the devil to wreak havoc and evil across our country.

    And it looks like he has had his one and only success.

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    Mikey says:

    Oh, and one other thing – the issues for this election are clear -it is a choice between Labour investments, and Tory cuts. (Note to myself – tell Peter Mandleson to sort out Alastair Darling for actually telling the truth. Doesn’t he know that is not government policy?)

  13. 13
    Martin Day says:

    I have now seen the real Labour Party and I hate what I see – I urge you all to vote for anyone but Brown’s party of thugs.


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    Mikey says:

    Guido was also talking about all the other government debt not on the balance sheet. The billions in payments for PFI contracts, where we (the tax payers) will end up paying through the nose for these schemes, simply because they keep the debt off the balance sheet.

    In any commerical organisation it would be fraud . Look at Enron etc etc

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    George Osborne says:

    Two Irish men are walking along Kensington High Street when they see a sign.

    Suits £15.00
    Trousers £3.50
    Shirts £2.00

    One said to the other one “Will ye look at that – we could buy a lot of that gear and when we get back to Ireland we could make a fortune. When we go in the shop dont say anything, let me do all the talking “cause if they hear our accent they might not serve us so Ill speak in my best English accent.”

    They go in and he orders,

    50 suits at £15.00 and
    50 trousers at £3.50 and
    100 shirts at £2.00

    The owner of the shop says “Youre Irish arent you”

    “Ah Bejaysus….. Yes, how de hell did ye know?”,

    The owner says, “This is a dry cleaners!!!!!”

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    We’ve known about this debt black hole for years – how come neither the media nor the Tories have ever got around to tearing Gordon Brown a new arsehole and exposing his bullshit.

  17. 17
    Mikey says:

    You really need to get out more………….

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    Cometh the day says:

    Indeed – this polls crap is utter rubbish.

    The country hates this man and he will be obliterated,Tories to win with 55 seats.

    How can telephoning 1,000 people and asking them who they would vote for be anything other than a scam run by polling co’s?

    I refer you to 10pm after the polls had closed on the evening of the 1992 election;

    Dimbledum and that moron Snow ; “We declare a hung Parliament”


    Cameron will be on the steps of No 10 on Friday 7th May – Brown will still be there for sure….hiding in his bunker with Balls and boy Balls.

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    City of Vice says:

    Quite. And only the plausible reason why Blair didn’t sack Brown despite the latter’s serial disloyalty was that he, Blair, is a crook too.

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    Baboon's arse says:

    Sorry about the large C&P but here is an interesting report from the Glasgow Herald revealing more about the culture of cover up, denials, bullying and intimidation that make up the DNA of Labour.

    They really are enemies of democracy and I don’t think that I can hate them any more than I do at present.


    Scotland’s public spending watchdog and the police have rejected calls for a probe into deals by firms owned by Glasgow City Council following the resignation of disgraced former leader Steven Purcell.

    Audit Scotland said there was an “absence of any evidence” to launch an investigation following calls by Glasgow East SNP MP John Mason for a probe into allegations that individuals and organisations improperly benefited from contracts awarded by council construction firm City Building.

    The Herald understands Strathclyde Police has also rejected Mr Mason’s call for a formal inquiry, although this has yet to be confirmed.

    The rejection of calls for an investigation appears to have ruled out any action on allegations of impropriety that have surfaced since Mr Purcell quit amid claims of cocaine and alcohol addiction.

    Mr Purcell resigned as leader of the council on March 2, citing stress and exhaustion. He stepped down as a councillor days later.

    Since his dramatic exit, there have been numerous allegations about the awarding of contracts by council-owned companies and links between City Building and the Labour Party.

    Yesterday, Audit Scotland said it was satisfied with the work recently completed on the city council by external auditors. This included an examination of its arm’s-length bodies (Aleos), which include City Building.

    Its controller of audit and deputy auditor general, Caroline Gardner, said: “Glasgow City Council is responsible for managing its affairs and it is best placed to make decisions about the action required in the current situation. Our auditors are monitoring the council’s response and will consider whether any additional work is required.

    “At this stage, however, in the absence of any evidence of poor governance or financial irregularity on specific decisions or transactions, we do not consider that additional audit work is currently necessary.”

    Last night Mr Mason said he was disappointed with the Audit Scotland decision but stood by his belief City Building should be investigated. He said: “Many constituents have approached me with their concerns about allegations being made about what was going on during Steven Purcell’s leadership.

    “I’m of the view that if there’s nothing to hide within City Building then an external examination would clear that up and put the matter to rest.”

    Meanwhile, Mr Mason has been accused of threatening the livelihoods of the 2,000 staff at City Building with his calls for a probe. Union leaders claim the MP has caused “considerable distress” to workers.

    A letter signed by five senior trade union representatives contains a veiled threat to the MP’s chances of retaining the seat he won by 365 votes in 2008.

    It states: “It is our belief you have acted against the best interests of your constituents and their families and this is wholly unacceptable to us as trade union representatives.”

    The Herald also understands staff and the unions are furious over further allegations made by the city council’s sole Tory, David Meikle, who on Wednesday circulated correspondence referring to “disturbing claims about the involvement of gangsters in Glasgow’s politics during Mr Purcell’s time as leader”.

    Strathclyde Police and Glasgow City Council declined to comment.

  21. 21
    Mikey says:

    And then, when the cuts have to be implemented to sort out the total economic mess THEy have caused, we will have to endure 5 years of them telling us every day how it would never have happened under their government etc etc

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    Kronos says:

    wow, you must start work early at Liebour central. do they pay you overtime, or actually pay you in real money rather than that funny stuff Gordon keeps printing? In reply to your comments, one would ask you to hold a mirror up to your own party. I say the “cast-iron” lie about the Lisbon Treaty referendum; the endless contradictions on the economy; the insolence towards party workers; the clique dominating the party and lecturing country about their outmoded principles; the aggressive complicity with the culturally Marxist PC agenda; the flaky, drama queen women candidates; the sense of entitlement; above all, the sheer, monumental incompetence, the thieves waiting trial, the massive debt: what’s not to like – especially if you are a Conservative supporter? Why are the Tories struggling in the polls? Because their core vote has abandoned them – as they arrogantly encouraged it to do, no the BBC is in the pocket of the Liebour party and only spin the latest directive from No10. true hurts doesn’t it? twat.

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    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    The whole Nation seems to be in denial. We are f***ed. They know it, we know it, everyone knows it.
    Now I didn’t create this huge National Debt , you didn’t create this National Debt, The Cons, The Lib Dems, the B*P, UKIP, the SNP, Clyde Welshman, nope they didn’t create this unholy mess. New Labour. The Government, Blair, Brown and their inept economic management of the economy have bought the UK to the brink of bankruptcy and condemned us all to many years of austerity, in all liklihood a visit from the IMF and truly becoming the poor man of Europe.
    They are wastrals of the highest order without a clue and yet we allow them to present themselves as creditable and worthy. FFS, WTF is going on here?

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    Konnolsky says:

    Thank you Guido from me and Yuri, my assistant here in butcher’s shop in Smolensk. Your story of English debts is make me laugh so much I am fart (with small follow through). And much need. Today Yuri is discover consignment good mutton from Urals is full of maggotings. He is pick out and see what is still good. Last time happen, 70% carcass is fit for sale and we have only six cases food poisons, lower than Smolensky average.

    So, British debt mountain is plenty bigger than Russia’s. This is tribute to excellent fiscals leadership of glorious Vlad – he is hotter than ass of Beyoncé – and great mineral wealth of Motherland. It also result of unique system of welfare privatisations. Example. Here in Smolensk, I am struggle get new tooths for mother. Big Oleg, who is local oligarch and organise my protection, is get me new set for her, made from finest vulcanise rubbers, very cheap price. He is also provide home help for many babushkas – Fat Mikhail is protect Aunt Irina from local youths by sit outside flat all night with pit bull. Oleg provide Meal on Wheel service (Cousin Dmitri is bring housebound food on unicycle), and also local school, St Vladimir of the Kalashnikov. Here is great training ground join Oleg outfit (also surprising high standard of classical Greek thanks to Creepy Sasha, before he arrest for expose self in swimming lessons).

    So advice for future British administrations is simple. Let state wither away and little (heavily armed) platoons is move in. Provide efficient local service. Cost in bloodshed minimal, debt collapse and IMF very happy. Argh, bleedings hell! Yuri is be sick on mutton, just like last time.

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    City of Vice says:

    Don’t believe the hype. The core Tory vote will be out election day to get rid of the hated Brown and his commissars. Think London, think Livingstone…Ken’s vote went up but he still got beat by Boris.

    The Tories will deal with Cameron and his ilk after that, should they mess up on the job. They even knifed Thatcher ffs! That’s what Tories do.

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    Alien Mothership says:


  27. 27
    Lizzie says:

    Hopefully Brown falls into his own black hole and never gets out.

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    The speculative society says:

    If you want to know how deep the corruption is i dare you to Google”The truth seeker gordon brown”It will make your eyes water.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I was going to mention P-tossing-F-bastard-I but I would have used the word bollocks too much..

    Fraud? not entirely sure of that. If one leases a building or Lorry on a 10 year basis, that’s comparable intit? I’m sure any commercial organisation COULD make something like PFI look legal. Thats not to say that I don’t think its an entirely bollocks, over complex, bollocks. The kind of bollocks that has Brown’s “aren’t I clever” bollocks, written all over it.

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    Baboon's arse says:

    Reminds me of the time burglars broke into a mate’s house and did a shite in his pot of chilli.

    He had to throw half of it out.

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    Martin Day says:



    Three former Labour cabinet ministers are caught touting for lobbying jobs, Samantha Cameron is expecting a baby – and still the polls get worse for the Tories. Why? Because the electorate doesn’t give a damn, that’s why. Cameron gave a good reply to the Budget, whine the baffled ones, but it doesn’t seem to have helped. Of course it hasn’t helped because only a few pathetic anoraks know or care about it.

    Do they think the public watches the Parliament Channel? What Joe Public sees is a 30-second clip on the evening news. He sees the interior of the Commons chamber – and that is, literally, a turn-off. He sees two men he detests as the leaders of rival gangs of corruption-mongers shouting at each other – and he is suffused with loathing.

    When are they going to get it? No normal person in Britain has the slightest identification with what happens in Parliament. Journalists lunch and dine with MPs and ministers; they are on Christian name terms; they rely on them for “stories”; they take on, like chameleons, their interests, their views, their priorities, which are utterly alien to the rest of the nation. The demented notion that news that a party leader’s wife is expecting a baby is supposed to have the loyal tenants dancing in the streets, suddenly oblivious to the threats to their jobs and houses, raises a pertinent question: are these commentators completely sane?

    Gordon Brown was right when he said to David Cameron “Now is not the time for a novice.”

    David Cameron is a novice and how !!!!

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    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    In other words is as the public has always maintained: there’s no difference between liebour and the cons.

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    John Bellingham II says:

    It has long been said Gordon would like to work at the World Bank or some such organisation.
    Surely a position with the IMF would be very attractive now, after all, there would be less travel involved as it seems a lot of their future work will take place in Britain.

    Thanks a bunch Gordon.

  34. 34
    Mikey says:

    But then, you have to include that liaibility on your balance sheet – you cannot make out that it is not a debt the company carries.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    It would be quite simple to pass a law to the effect that all Government financial figures had to comply with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (‘GAAP’). Everybody else has to comply. If HMG doesn’t comply, it can only be because they do not wish to tell the truth. After all, the ultimate freedom is the right to assert that 2+2=4.

    GAAP would count the huge unfunded Civil Service, NHS and state retirement pensions as debt, quite correctly. Most PFI would also be treated as debt. We would then have an accurate base from which to plan current and future expenditure. It could also be a first step towards bringing public sector pensions into line with modern realities.

  36. 36
    Martin Day's goldfish says:

    “corruption-mongers” you should watch out about comparing people with down’s syndrome to MPs. It could get you in trouble. again.

  37. 37
    Sir William Waad says:

    Don’t panic.

  38. 38
    Mikey says:

    Sure, we need the experience of Gordon. I mean, look at his record!

    “An end to boom and bust”

    Sold all our gold reserves when the market was at the bottom – lost us billions.

    Destroyed what was the best private pension schemes in Europe.

    Actually, I can’t be boethered to go on…. the list is so long, and you Liebour trolls are not worth the effort.

  39. 39
    Baboon's arse says:

    I was aware of the bones of this but it really is appalling that matters of such grave importance are being covered up.

  40. 40
    Dr Andy Burnham says:

    It looks like we could get an extra 1200 postal votes in mid staffs.Just hope nobody notices they all died in a trust i gave the thumbs up to against advice the it wasnt up to standard.Andy .X

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    Gain without pain says:

    There was a time before new Labour came to power when public sector pay reflected the benefits of the public sector pension. Not any more, Team Blair and Brown are now paying the public sector top dollar at the same time preserving their pension benefits.

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    Abuse of Power says:

    What this country needs is a liar, a deceiver and a bully.

    Now is the time for Gordon Brown.

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    Brown's a Tosser says:

    This blog has consistently raised questions of Gordon’s and NuLabour accounting methods it is always in the small print PFI is a whacking great hole and NuLabour are past master at spin and deception. In truth, they are poisonous and corrupt and we need to get them out on May 6th or suffer the consequences. Like many on here I have doubts about DC but the one thing I am sure about is 5 more years of Brown and NuLabour will wreck this country for good.

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    And there was much joy .... says:

    And guess what? He’ll get re-elected. Oh goody, goody goody!!!!

    Everyone will be so pleased and smug! Margaret Moran will be found a safe seat and Harriet will ensure all seats for any party will have all women shortlists with at least 99% of the candidates lezzas! Blair will be made a saint whilst still alive – none of that beastly suffering and dying for your cause – that can be delegated.

    And my emigration move three years ago will look better and better as each month ticks by …..

  45. 45
    Anonymous says:

    Nooooo Keep him away from the IMF, he could spell disaster on a global scale. He wrecked the UK economy despite being handed the best post war economy ever.

  46. 46
    Cumeth the Balls says:

    Then Brown and Balls can go away and make babies together.

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    The IMF is coming says:

    We have a new local school that puts top private schools to shame – smart boards in every class room, floodlit astro, 3 flood lit tennis courts, pool 2 gym halls ete etc etc.
    All on PFI, along with 5 or 6 others in the county. My childrens children look forward to the day it is paid off

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    astateofdenmark says:

    Every budget presents two different PSND figures. One, is the fantasy number the Chancellor reads out, the other is buried in the documents but has to be reported as a condition of the Maastricht Treaty.

    Needless to say, Debt on a Maastricht definition is significantly higher than the Gordon definition. Off top of my head, this budget had debt reaching 77% in 2104, whereas the Maastricht number was 88%.

    Both these numbers are of course based on fantasy growth projections. Banana republic here we come.

  49. 49
    Disaffected says:

    Martin (AKA McBride) is still trying to spin his shit that everyone knows is utter rubbish. He still does not get that his comments are treated with the same disdain as the rest of Liebour Party by Guido readers. He would be better off on the BBC website on Nick Robinscum’s blog.

  50. 50
    Sarah Tweet says:

    one of those days with a school assembly, a football tournament, some garden pics, a meeting with @PiggyBankKids, just non-stop today

  51. 51
    Power is there to be abused says:

    No time for a novice. What we want is someone who can lie convincingly. Trouble is, knowing when we’ve found him.

  52. 52
    Beelin says:

    This is nothing but the worst political scandal in the UK for many years.

    Who is to protect the public fro these criminals?

    It is worse than the worst excesses of East Germany and Hoeneckers rule.

  53. 53
    Keith Topping says:

    Labour is for the many not the few.
    Keep out those corrupt Tory toffs.


  54. 54
    David Blunkett says:

    Fancy a fuck, Sarah?

  55. 55
    chiefhoon says:

    Hoon on 5 live now, being slaughtered by callers.

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    Steve Expat says:

    As if the official (and soon to double) £800,000,000,000 wasn’t enough – add the public pensions, the PFI “mortgages” and the bank bailouts, and we’re probably already over 100% of GDP.

    Vote Labour, to leave the country completely fucked – just like we did last time…

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    Hugh Janus says:

    Sorry this is O/T but:

    I wondered how long it would take the corrupt, unaccountable and profligate EU to produce ever more intrusive legislation on the back of Greece’s mismanagement of their economy. One chilling phrase stands out from Herman Rumpy Pumpy:

    “We consider that the European Council should become the economic government of the EU and we propose to increase its role in economic surveillance and the definition of the EU’s growth strategy.”

    Given the EU’s liking for always understating their evil intent, we can say goodbye to what little is left of our sovereignty. If McBust gets back in then he will simply roll over. Alternatively, where does DC stand on this?

    Sorry, I forgot, the EU remains on the list of unmentionable subjects, despite its many failings and the fact that it costs us a fortune to belong….

  58. 58
    Hugh Janus says:

    Please, pack him off to the EU asap – any role will do, so long as he does to them what he has done to us.

  59. 59
    EUROPEAN WAR LORD (non elected of course) says:

    HA HA HA you stupid english types with your fish and chip and your brown beer
    we have wanted your shitty little country for a thousand years but your forefathers had how you say big ball’s
    and try as we might ,we could never break your resolve
    But then our dreams of european domination came true
    when you elect the fucky witty labour party who no nothing about British culture and traditions as the come from Scotland
    and now for a handfull of euro’s each they have sold your stupid little country to us
    we will now start to asset strip your shitty litle island starting by buying the port of dover where we can charge you large amounts of cash to bring goods into your own country ha ha ha then we will buy the dartford tunnel and charge you large amounts of your english pounds to get to work
    oh this will be such fun !

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    Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

    There are lies, damned lies and Liebour statistics.

    Aren’t you used to it after thirteen years of Marxist mendacity ??

  61. 61
    thick as thieves says:

    Is this site now a wholly owned subsidiary of conservativehome ??

    It seems to be backing that loser,David Cameron.

  62. 62
    Grodon Bronw says:

    How can I further fuck something that is already completely, utterly and irreversibly fucked beyond all recognition?

  63. 63
    Great British Public says:

    It’ll be much less hectic after the General Election.

  64. 64
    Auf Auf says:

    Where’s dog?

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    NEWSNIGHT - ANOTHER TRIUMPH!!! . . . Krusty Sqawk says:

    Yes, that’s right!

    Instead of focussing on the bum bandits in 10 Drowning (in Debt) Street who have created a huge black hole of debt, and ruined the country, we chose to do an extended piece on the bum bandits in the Cat Lick church.

    We do this to protect our Glorious and Beloved Leader from any accusations of impropriety, stupidity, wastefulness, wantonness, and general fuckupedness. It also protects our nice little earners and cushy jobs.

    I’m also available to do voiceovers and travel series if you want any done

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    Steve Expat says:

    How did Question Time run for an hour in Glasgow last night and NOBODY mention Mr Purcell??

    Was it recorded and edited out, or did the BBC censor the question?

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    Another sector of the public sector that is over paid and over pensioned says:

    So 95 industrial relations academics have signed a letter accusing Willie Walsh of union-busting.

    WTF are industrial relations academics? FFS they all live off the fat of the Campus pontificating on the odd day that they go to work. Willie Walsh lives in the real world of industrial relations and running a competitive airline that is being crippled by a militant Union that is undergoing its own political civil war while they just think about things.

    All these tin pot Universties that have sprung up under New Labour must be costing an absolute fortune to run and maitain with very little benefit to the Nation.

  68. 68
    Martin Day BBC political correspondent says:

    Breaking News

    Exclusive from David Cameron’s bunker

    CCHQ staff said they had been given a “gagging order” preventing them from talking to the press.

  69. 69
    Hugh Janus says:

    McBust’s spending spree continues unabated – an 84% increase in NHS managers in the past decade:

    Strange how, with so many managers, the NHS’s ability to kill patients has also gone through the roof in the same period.

    I think I can see a solution here….

  70. 70
    Unsworth says:

    I’d rather see him get a job a Dogger (dogging?) Bank.

  71. 71
    An Alky Ada spokesman says:

    We can help you with the hanging.

    It’s what we do.

  72. 72
    Unsworth says:

    Non-stop shit.

  73. 73
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Cackle all you like, but at least the fiendish plot to insert your Australian double agent into Eurotunnels board got its cover blown earlier this week…

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    The Admiral says:


  75. 75
    Hugh Janus says:

    What? No mention of Ashcroft? Standards are obviously slipping.

  76. 76
    The Speculative Society says:

    Spread the word.The more that know the more questions will be asked.

  77. 77
    Jonty Pryor says:

    Osborne: David Cameron’s election strategy ‘blown apart’ by Gordon Brown !

    How about that then guys and gals, honest George !!

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    The IMF is coming says:

    Martin Sorrell made oblique references to it, but everyone else including the audience kept silent. Must not have been in the BBC script.

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    Dinsdale says:

    I need a new car to go to work – it’s an ‘investment’.
    I go to the bank manager and say; ‘It’s an investment. You can keep it off my bank statements!’

    I wonder what the bank manager says..?

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    Rupert says:

    Times and Sunday Times websites to charge from June

    Does anyone actually visit their site now, while it is free?

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    A Vice Chance O'Lor says:

    Please! . . don’t call us Universities . . pretentious tin pot polytechnics and local FE colleges is more like.

  82. 82
    A Vice Chance O'Lor says:

    sorry – should ‘of’ added – and 3rd rate wiv it.

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    Unsworth says:

    And another thing. Stay out of North Kent you stupid bint. Totally fucked up my journey to collect my Giro when you came down last time. Couldn’t find my usual dealer on account of the heavy police presence. Why did you need fourteen motorbike cops, anyway? Some sort of Chippendale gang bang with your Canterbury doxy?

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    A Budget is easy you can do the maths on your hands look +

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    Disaffected says:

    McSlug, Blair, Smith, Campbell, Straw, Hoon all have blood on their hands from the Iraq war. They all lie.

    Remember Smith having Damian Green arrested and for national security reasons we were not allowed to know why. Absolute bollocks, while she was skimming off £100,000 and a porno film with ther husband- who incidentally gets paid £42,000 for being her assistant. Any assistant hiring porno films on expenses would be sacked. She still has not sacked him, perhaps it is the joint income thing. Come on voters don’t forget her she has to be sacked.

    McSlug has told too many lies to recount the same as Blair. Although Blair sticks out among the crowd for hiding his expenses from us, a real devious shit. And his legacy will be that he was the most devious underhand lying public servant ever in history. We recently discovered his business interests were kept from us, and most repugnantly, he is making a fortune for taking us to war based on a lie where thousands have died and thousands more injured while he is making a fortune. Do not forget his (euan) is coincidentally employed by JP Morgan where Blair acts as a consultant Like Byers and Hewitt and Hoon, his services are for sale and have been for a considerable time. A role model for the lying sleaze to follow.

    If challenged they will use their communist suppressive strategy to ruin your career or life by nasty underhand smear campaigns led by their spin masters ie Elizabeth Filkin, Dr Kelly, Gregg Dyke, Lady from bullying help line.

    And now we have the hypocrite mandelslug telling us about the wrong doing of the Tory Party. What moral authority does this slug have?? A disgraced minister who resigned twice because of his behaviour- absolute scum. And he wants to be the mouthpiece for Liebour on the run up to the election. About time the interviewers sorted him out and his smear campaigns ie Filkin.

    Then we have Harperson who wants equal ops for everyone other than her own children (and Tony’s) or husband. And she wanted to make sure we did not have FIO to gain access to expenses along with Martin. Both spent thousands of pounds of our money trying to prevent us from having access. She was claiming it was some anonmous body in parliament making the decisions and she defended them by saying, “MPs were acting within the rules”, She forgot to say she was on the committee- dishionest bitch.

    They are corrupted from power and need to be sacked. Vote wisely.

  86. 86
    BillyBob - Stop immigration, reduce crime !! says:

    I stopped visiting FT when they started charging…..will do the same for any site that wants to charge……..for f*cks sake they should pay for them via adverts !!

  87. 87
    Piggy Bank says:


    Is that the Bank where gordon is going to start working at on 7th May

  88. 88
    English Viking says:

    We know where Dave stands on the EU; he loves it. He loves it so much, he’s going to throw heaps more of your cash at it, and then ask you to be grateful when its ridiculous legislation ruins your home/business/life. If you don’t like it, it’s because you’re a xenophobe/racist/little Englander.

  89. 89
    BillyBob - Stop immigration, reduce crime !! says:

    BBC is not going to take up the challenge about the hidden PFI numbers…..

  90. 90
    jgm2 says:

    Read ‘Atlas Shrugged’.

    And think of this in the context of Brown ordering 60 ‘economists’ to ‘spontaneously’ write an open letter to The Times supporting his imbecile reign of destruction in response to a group of 30 who’d written pointing out his incompetence.

    Then of course there is the world authority on Climate Change based at East Anglia Poly’s geography department or bike sheds or whatever the fuck it was prior to 1997. A world centre of excellence if ever there was one.

  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    Osbourne did a very good job yesterday, in the Shadow Chancellor’s reply to the budget where he tore the budget to pieces. I note that it was only shown on BBC Parliament!

    Anyhoo, just received the following notification from my pension dept –
    ‘…because the RPI for Sept 2009 was negative(-1.4%), I have been recently informed by HM Treasury that there should be no increase due to any person in receipt of a Police pension in respect of the 2010/2011 year’.

    I have no qualms about doing my bit to get the country’s finances out of the pit, but this is definately a reduction in my icome compared to inflation running at 3.5%. Wonder how many other pension schemes will be similarly affected and will it get any coverage?

  92. 92

    Hi jonty you still sucking cock ?

  93. 93
    Krusty Sqawk says:

    Hi Hugh – would I like to meet you ! – (kno wot oi mean?) . .

    Anyway . . back to business . . . we had a piece on Ashcroft ready in case we couldn’t fill up the space with the Cat Licks.

    Don’t fret though – it’ll be on soon.

  94. 94
    Breaking Wind says:

    There is no evidence that any wrongdoing has occurred.

  95. 95
    Dr Andy Burnham says:

    We gagged 1200 in mid staffs.Andy X

  96. 96
    Disaffected says:

    Absolutely. Well said.

  97. 97
    Anonymous says:

    Try sticking to the dog Blunkett. (What’s that? You are?)

  98. 98
  99. 99
    Hugh Janus says:

    Got it in one EV.

  100. 100
    Martin Day says:

    The true colours of the Tory Party


    There was more grim news for the rattled Tories as a top think-tank pointed out an £ 8billion hole in their economic sums.

    Shadow Chancellor George Osborne yesterday heartlessly targeted the “welfare bills” of old and poor folk as his party plans swingeing cuts far in excess of Labour’s.

    But the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies said: “The extra measures the Conservatives would have to make amount to £ 8billion.”

    Mr Osborne has so far detailed only £ 1.5billion of cuts – and even those figures have already been disputed.

    The Conservatives’ willingness to target Mr Brown personally shows up as a sham Mr Cameron’s 2005 vow to end “Punch and Judy politics”. Yet some former party strategists praised their readiness to fight dirty in an unashamed thirst for power


  101. 101
    EUSSR Thort Police says:


    Any deroger . . deerogger . . daruggd . . bad words or critical mention of cloymate chunge ‘n we’ll ‘av you mate!

    Now cut it out!!

  102. 102
    The Sleeper says:

    Probably recruited via the Grauniads Government sponsored subsidy of public sector job adverts.

    “50K per annum,16 weeks annual paid leave.. plus six weeks sick leave guaranteed..

    Qualifications needed..a pulse (weak acceptable)”

  103. 103
    Anonymous says:

    Gordon will win the election , mark my words.Martin Day is spot on. The Tories are so wet and lack political nous that I have lost all resoect for them.I may even decide to put my vote eleswhere , thats if any party can convince me to turn out and vote.Seriously I don’t care anymore if the Torys lose the election.I have resigned myself to the likely fact Gordon will be P.M after the election.I’d advise others to resign themselves to this likelyhood too.

    We have the worst recession in 70 years , an electorate in debt upto their eyeballs worried if they’ll manage to eek out their income and hold onto their jobs until growth returns.And CMD put’s up Osborne , up an untested hand, in a time of NATIONAL FINANCIAL EMERGENCY ( I actually think Osborne will make a good chancellor , but not now ,the electorate needs firm ground ).When he has Ken Clarke a fine experienced ex-chancellor.I mean how fucking stupid can you get.Its like substituting a world class striker for an unknown in a world cup final.Stupid,stupid ,stupid.Just who the fuck is advising CMD , whoever it is SACK THEM NOW.

  104. 104

    We already own your electrickery and
    we have raped your stupid north and irish sea’s of the fish
    and we dont buy your top quality meat because we prefer
    to eat snails horses door mice and of course ze frogs

  105. 105
    Hugh Janus says:

    And Murdoch wants to charge me a pound a day to read such drivel?

  106. 106
    Martin Day says:

    Cameron didn’t give you a Liston vote so you
    may as well vote for us. We will protect you from the EU
    won’t we?

  107. 107
    Martin Day says:

    Vote Labour. Democracy is reactionary.

  108. 108
    QwikRead says:

    Goodbye! Next.

  109. 109
    Sir William Waad says:

    Of course Walsh wants to break the union. Unite wants to break BA. One of them will win and the other will lose.

    When 95 academics write a letter on anything it is extremely strong empirical evidence that the proposition is wrong.

  110. 110

    If i got my way it wouldn’t only be the cover that was blown
    but that whole fucking tunnel keeping you fucking peasants
    where you’ve always belonged on the other side of the channel !

  111. 111
    Up Periscope says:

    Nicky Campbell on 5 live is a tosser!

  112. 112
    Cream Puff says:

    Love the BBC’s spin on the state of finance in the Eurozone, by stating that the value of the euro is falling
    Oh yeh! Obviously havent had a look at the state of the pound then.
    Since the budget, it has continued to slide down!
    Against the US dollar its 1.48, the lowest since..
    and its pegging along the bottom with the euro at 1.11
    Me thinks, its time to dust down the barrow, as I will need that to carry around my cash to by a loaf!

  113. 113
    Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

    We’ll be charging you every time you look at your ‘cash dashboard’.

  114. 114
    The IMF is coming says:

    Not convincing Martin.
    Labour haven’t come with figures – too scared to hold a spending review.
    So how are the opposition meant to outline spending plans without access to the books and Treasury?

    I will not be voting for another 5 years of incompetence, lies, smears, bullying and sleaze.

  115. 115
    Anonymous says:

    Add in the state guarantee of the BT pension fund which is underfunded by at least 11 billion quid etc

  116. 116
    Anonymous says:

    100.I’m thinking of going UKIP myself ( lost all belief in CMD’s lot ).Its the only sane party who speaks with the voice of the people.

  117. 117
    The IMF is coming says:

    Like an alcoholic father lecturing his children about the evils of drinking, Gordon Brown is helping Greece sort out it debts

  118. 118
    Rod Hot says:

    . . and that the stupid fuckers have too much time. . to write pages of wearying pointless bullshit

  119. 119
    Odds Bodkins says:

    Public sector pension promises are huge and, in many cases, funding is woefully inadequate.

    Government assumptions of double-digit returns from stock markets are laughable. Have a look at the Motley Fool FTSE chart using the maximum 10-year timespan:^ftse

    Even in spite of some pretty impressive recent gains, the FTSE 100 hovers at around 5700, less than what it was even a decade ago.

  120. 120
    anonymouse says:

    Unfortunately half the British electorate believe that as well. Its about time only net taxpayers had the vote.

  121. 121
    jgm2 says:


    I watched ten o’clock news last night and it made pretty grim viewing for the Maximum Imbecile.

    There was Darling ‘fessing up that Labour cuts would be even worse than Thatcher’s cuts. In fact the BBC admitted that Thatch increased spending year-on-year all through her reign. That must have come as a surprise to Labour apologists breast-fed on bile since birth.

    Then they had Bob Crow demonstrating to a whole new generation just what a shower of fuckwits union leaders were back in the 1970s. Twice he suggested that his strike was emphatically not about pay and conditions – fuck no – it’s about ‘safety’. Spoilt both times by his lick-of-the-licks ‘tell’ when he has to wet his dry lying mouth after telling an obvious porkie.

    Watch it – only 18 seconds in. And again at 2:53.

    Two separate self-serving lies followed immediately by trying to wet his dry, lying mouth.

    Fucking classic.

    Bob Crow belongs in a fucking palaeontology lab with his bleached bones being studied by geology students.

  122. 122
    The Speculative Society says:

    In Norman Bakers book about the “death”of Dr David Kelly he refers to something that was well known in the HOC that Bush administration had over the labour government to help them with the Iraq situation.When you google “the truth seeker gordon brown feb 2010″all will become clear.

  123. 123
    Old Nick Heavenly(really not wishing to upset the hypocrites who feel free to comment upon europe) says:

    Mr Joy

    you will upset Brussels Louts writing such things.

    Don’t you just miss the opportunity to be culled in a NHS hospital, or have your children terrified by some semi illiterarti teacher pretending to kill the RE teacher. You are missing the opportunity to walk in fear on the public highway, pay for Gordums ************(insert word) financial genius, etc etc etc.

    I was watching a dictation competion for primary school kids on non country local telly last night? You know, somebody reads and the kids write it down. A sort of spelling competion.
    The young lad who won was both proud and annoyed for his one mistake!

    Difficult not to feel rather smug, ain’t it?

  124. 124
    David Blunkett says:

    I thought Sarah WAS my dog.

  125. 125
    Odds Bodkins says:

    This is the link/^ftse

  126. 126
    jgm2 says:

    You’re right. How can the Tories account for that 8bn quid when nobody knows if Labour has okay-ed a secret 65bn quid loan to the banks again without telling anybody.

    The Tories could easily be 73bn quid out on their figures. Nobody knows because Brown just lies his fucking head off.

  127. 127
    Under a flower pot at the bottom of the garden until that c'nt brown calls the General Election says:

    I have 4 pensions, all worth fuck all thanks to Brown. I may get to retire at 80 if I don’t drop dead first.

  128. 128
    A Calm Dispassionate Englishman says:

    Quite a few financial sector Pension Funds announced no increase in their recent annual reviews.

    Gordoom has fucked this Country’s pension funds rigid.

    He would, of course, call it a ‘zero percent increase

  129. 129
    Anonymous says:

    Prick. Labour denied us the referendum but managed to spin it that Torys are the party to blame. Cameron worded his ‘pledge’ wrongly that was all. No way could you begin to untangle to web of safeguards and paper firewalls that Labour would have set up no it is in place.

  130. 130
    Chingford Skinhead says:

    You think the Tories only have a 2 point lead because of the BBC? Give me a f**king break, its not 1973.

  131. 131 says:

    The pensions crisis is going to ruin this country over the next 50 years. Public sector pensions are out of control & refoming them will cause massive strikes like we’ve never seen before – which government will be brave enough to tackle that?
    Private pensions will shrink to become worthless & the only solution will be that ordinary people have to work until they drop. And who’s to blame? Much as Gordon would like you to think it’s not his fault, his decision to scrap the pensions tax credit started the whole edifice crumbling. Sure demographics don’t help, but Gordon’s appalling decision in his first Budget guaranteed disaster. Get rid of Gordon before he causes even more damage.

  132. 132
    Odds Bodkins says:

    I’m still astounded by the sheer number of Brits I read about online that still buy into this closed-shop union mentality shit, and who consider nutters like Scargill some kind of hero:

  133. 133
    Lies, damned lies, and statistics says:

    Also affects the Armed Forces Pension Scheme, they use September too. The number crunchers have done Gordon a favour. As you say CPI tells a different story. Useful link below.

  134. 134
    Martin Day says:

    Listen to me otherwise you will get called a “twerp”.
    I’m tough but fair.

  135. 135
    DNTT says:

    Enough of this ONS bullshit.

    Government should use the same accounting principles that every small business has to use in this country.

    Watch the fuckers report massive financial losses each year, and they’ll soon be sacked for financial mismanagement, incompetence, and lying.

    And that is why the govt. doesn’t adhere to GAAP.

    Bastards the fucking lot of them.

    We’re fucked over in perpetuity as soon as we register our birth.

  136. 136
    udderly 'orrible says:

    It gets worse.
    See Tom Winsor (ex Rail Regulator) on Taxi Byers Network Rail legacy.

    “A national signallers’ strike will cost Network Rail £10 million a day in financial compensation to the train operators. In the days of Railtrack and the 1994 strike, the RMT knew that this could wipe out shareholders’ annual profits in a fortnight. Now that Mr Darling and Mr Byers have replaced shareholders with taxpayers, the financial hit will all come home to the public. Well done, Mr Byers and Mr Darling, aided and abetted at the time by Andrew (now Lord) Adonis — the Marx Brothers of national rail policy, in at least two senses…”

  137. 137
    The Dirty Rat says:

    Well Guido, just get on the blower to number 10 and tell him he’s a lying c*nt.

  138. 138

    Two scotsmen talking
    one says Angus if you won the lottery what would you do ?

    well Jock if i won the lottery i would give you half,because your my friend !
    well what if you had two houses ?
    if i had two houses i would give you one because your my friend !
    well says Angus what if you had two cars ?
    if i had two cars i would give you one because your my friend!
    well what if you had two chickens ?
    Now you can fuck off jock you know i’ve got two chickens !

  139. 139
    The IMF is coming says:

    Future Under Chairperson Kyrogenics Intelligence Normalisation Gender Community Unilateral Negotiation Team Supervisor

  140. 140
    Chingford Skinhead says:

    But 12 millions peoples livelihoods rely on Browns re-election, as they want to believe he will maintain their state handouts/state jobs.

    How many people are relying on a Cameron win?

    Labour core vote – 10-12 million will turn out for them, will the Tories for Dave Blair?

  141. 141
    Pissed_Off says:

    This is total and utter bollocks!!!!

  142. 142
    Bad for us, but a side issue in the next 20 years says:

    Shhhhhh! Nobody talks about the unfunded liabilities in polite company….they have all been at it, be it pensions in some countries, PFI in other countries. That is what makes the west uniquely vulnerable to new lo-cost competitors elsewhere.

    Our political class (for such it tends to be) is, like the WW1 generals, fighting the war before last. Socialism, capitalism etc etc. All very well and good but very WESTERN in its paradigms. Other cultures now on the rise have no qualms about wealth and work, and they are about to take up the baton.

    We are snookered.

  143. 143
    McGroom says:

    Martin Day is clearly a Labour blog troll – we have all discussed here how you cannot have a Lisbon vote if Labour already ratified it (and reneged on their vote promise).

    I live in the East Surrey constituency that has selected Sam Gyimah as the Tory PPC above local candidates and is very well received by the local party (noting that I am not a Tory and need to be convinced to vote Tory). So Martin’s assertions are the usual Labour lies amd smear.

    However, Guido’s assertion at the top is just the kind of Labour Tractor Stats deceipt that the Tories should be communicating.

    Dave has got to get to grips with revealing Gordon’s statistical lies and manipulation to have any chance.

    Dave’s after budget speech was a good start, but he has to go further.

    Any mention of Ashcroft should be countered with Labour non-dom supporters give more than Ashcroft has and their businesses have visibly benefitted from favourable legislation.

    The next time Gordon tells Dave that he has helped 300,000 small businesses, Dave should tell him that there are 4.9 million small businesses in the UK and boasting about helping 6% of them is pitiful.

    We cannot have five years of Gordon Brown with a real mandate, Britain would be destroyed and any one with any kind of entrepreneurial spirit and financial expetise will leave the country (including me). That will leave public servants and those unable to escape unsustainably paying tax and funding the treasury.

    Five more years of Gordon would destroy Britian forever, GET A GRIP DAVE

  144. 144
    Westminster Windfall Tax says:

    World class striker? your analogy cannot refer to football, oh I get it

  145. 145
    PFI PPP says:

    Good thing Dave has no plans to use PFI or PPP or that would make much of this pointless.

  146. 146
    DNTT says:

    Do the right thing and just fuck off you spinning, gormless, festering oxygen thief.

    No matter who wins a general election, the government always wins.

    Lying, devious, powerhungry, theiving charlatans the lot of you.

    May all of your children have small penises. Including the girls.

  147. 147
    Up Periscope says:

    Jeff Randalls column comments section has been disabled. Has Mandelbum got to them also?

  148. 148
    Pissed_Off says:

    I simply do not understand why anyone, given the current state of play, would be insane enough to vote for a band of fuckwits like UKIP.

  149. 149
    QWERTY says:

    Radio 5 in full defend Geoff Hoon mode today. “What a great man” is the general BBC narrative.

    I notice the BBC have dropped the planned phone in about the rail strikes. As usual the BBC likes to hide and spin bad news for the one eyed mong.

  150. 150
    Kronos says:

    Nope, not just the BBC, but they are an obvious target. I think they have a two point lead because they’re not really Conservatives. My point is that they’ll all as bad as each other- liebour’s rank hypocrisy really takes the biscuit though. My hatred of Labour is greater than that of the Tories and libdums.

  151. 151
    Spank Sinatra says:

    I was talking to the medical director of a very significant specialist unit opened in 2005. Stunning facilities and understood to be the last PFI project of its kind. The interest cost per annum is 18% – repeat – 18%. The term is 30 years.

  152. 152
    Anonymus says:

    East anglia was a university. certainly as far back as the 80s.

    Who decided the east anglia chap as the “world authority”?

  153. 153
    Bye bye Communist Labour says:

    Democracy is reactionary! You realy do talk rubish man. Get out and meet some real people.

  154. 154
    DNTT says:

    Let them starve. Good riddance.

    Idle bastards need to learn that if you can’t afford to feed it, don’t breed it.

  155. 155
    The Dirty Rat says:

    A presentation showing how the unions during the 60’s and 70’s pushed our country to the edge of the abyss and nearly cleared the way for a Marxist take over should be a compulsory inclusion in the national curriculum. We are well on the way back there now thanks to 13 years of this scum.

  156. 156
    ErnstandYoung, Linklaters, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, ArthurAndersen, MastersoftheUniverse says:

    so what.

  157. 157
    El Sid says:

    Don’t forget the reason that we used to have lower debt than other countries was because our sovereign wealth fund from North Sea oil was never split out from the figures. The Treasury has taken over £150bn in direct oil taxes over the last 30 years which would be worth over £200bn now – about the same as the Norwegian SWF (which is about right as they had about as much oil as us). That’s nearly 20% of GDP – otherwise we would have had about the same debt as France.

    Look at it another way – Gordon spent all of our North Sea revenues ever in just one year last year, and is planning to do so again this year and next year. If you ever get a Scotsman claiming North Sea revenues, tell them one of their countrymen has spent them, several times over.

  158. 158
    Anonymous says:

    129 – And the stupid dumbfuck Tories allowed Lab to spin it – like they allow them to spin everything ( most of us on here could piss this election but the not Tories , stupid spinless dumbfucks) .CMD allowed himself to become a “hostage to fortune ” by not being clear on his stance on Lisbon.Anyway balls to them they’ll have another 5 years in opposition to find a spine.

  159. 159
    The Sleeper says:

    ….And still,the opinion polls are apparently going against Cameron.

    I just don’t understand what the fuck is going on!!!

    Martin Sorrell on QT said the same..”I don’t understand the dynamics of these opinion polls” he said.

    And,with the inability of Cameron to halt the slide,am I alone in thinking that the Tories have a cunning plan to let this election slip away from them in the knowledge that Broon will be found out by the electorate within months;be forced to resign.. and a new election called by year end..thus ensuring a Tory landslide????

  160. 160
    jgm2 says:

    It’s much worse than that for Labour. A refreshing bout of honesty from Darling – that Labour’s planned cuts would be deeper than Margaret Thatcher’s finally nails the Labour lie that Thatch was just making her cuts for a laugh or out of some ideological death wish.

    They were necessary because the previous Labour government had fucked up so badly just as the coming cuts are necessary because the Labour previous government has fucked up so badly. More accurately this Labour government has fucked up even more badly than any other government in UK history.

    It is unprecedented in it’s incompetence.

  161. 161
    Anonymous says:

    Thanks, a very easy to read link. I take it the Armed Forces pension ‘freeze’ is offset by some other benefit? Also I paid 14% of my pay into the police pension contribution over the 30years. Is that comparable to the public sector pensions/private pension schemes?

  162. 162
    El Dottori says:

    CHeck out the acme of education in the UK:

    This web site is maintained by disillusioned staff who know the true shabby state of HE in this country. You can print off your own degree certificate after selection the study subject. The truth hurts.

  163. 163
    Dog says:

    uaf uaf

  164. 164
    Lucy&Lisa SkyBabes Say Hello says:

    Is HMRC on a go slow because of the recession or are they just plain stupid – delay after delay at making a refund either because no one can add up correctly or it’s a government innitiative to limit legitimate repayment….WTF??? HMRC using our money to help Gordon Brown …. never!

  165. 165
    jgm2 says:

    But an alcoholic father would presumably be doing so with the best of intentions. Ie don’t be a total fuck-up like me.

    Brown is just in denial. He doesn’t acknowledge what a fuck-up he is.

    He can’t be cured while he doesn’t accept he has a problem.

  166. 166
    Go_Fourth says:

    The latest YouGov poll puts New Labour only 2% behind the Tories.

    That’s why Guido and the other right-wingers are getting increasingly shrill and desperate.

    Gordon Brown and his experienced team have come from behind and are about to win the next election. Labour are the underdogs. We are the insurgents.

    Labour will win a majority at the Election and receive a clear mandate for our radical policies of building a future fair for all.

    Under Gordon Brown, New Labour will lead this country through a new decade of scientific socialism and unparallelled economic prosperity.

    History is on our side! The Tories are finished!!!

  167. 167
    Gordon Brown, George Robertson, Op. Ore,... says:

    look over there – the Catholic Church are all fucking kiddie-fiddlers. Thank fuck for the kosher mass media.

  168. 168
    Sir William Waad says:

    According to dave Gardner:

    “The chairman of the second ‘independent’ review panel looking at the Climategate CRU e-mail controversy has now been announced. This review panel has been set up in consultation with the Royal Society.

    The chairman is Lord Oxburgh. So I checked Oxburgh’s financial interests in the House of Lords Register of Interests and I’ve come to the conclusion that CRU and the the Royal Society are sticking two fingers up at AGW sceptics. He’s got more Green business interests than John Gummer.

    These are his interests:

    OXBURGH, Lord

    *12(d) Non-parliamentary consultant

    One-off pieces of work on an ad hoc basis –
    Adviser Fujitsu Europe
    Adviser to Climate Change Capital
    Adviser to Low Carbon Inititative
    Adviser to Evo-electric
    Environmental Adviser – Deutsche Bank

    *12(e) Remunerated directorships

    Chairman, Falck Renewables
    Chairman, Blue NG

    *12(i) Visits

    Visit to Oskarshamn in Sweden (10-12 August 2008) to visit nuclear power and nuclear waste research and storage facilities with the All Party Parliamentary Group on Nuclear Energy. The costs of the trip were met by E.ON

    *13(b) Landholdings

    House in Cambridge owned and let jointly with wife

    15(a) Membership of public bodies

    Member, Council of Asian University of Science and Technology
    Member, Council of Foundation for Science and Technology
    Member, Council of Universiti Tunku Abdul Rahman (Kuala Lumpur)
    Member, Singapore Agency for Science, Technology & Research
    Member, Singapore Science and Engineering Research Council
    Member, Advisory Board Oxford University, Dept of Earth Sciences
    Chairman, Program Review Committee, British Antarctic Survey
    Hon. Professor, Cambridge University, Dept. of Earth Sciences

    15(d) Office-holder in voluntary organisations

    Trustee, Higher Education Policy Institute

    16(b) Voluntary organisations

    Fellow of Royal Society
    Hon Fellow of Royal Academy of Engineering
    Member, Green Fiscal Commission
    Member, Council of Foundation for Science & Technology
    Member, Council of Low Carbon Vehicle Partnership

    He’s a director of a wind energy company called Falck Renewables and also another renewable energy company called Blue NG which builds biofuel (rapeseed oil) powered CHP plants. He’s also a consultant to ‘Climate Change Capital’, ‘Low Carbon Inititative’ and Evo-electric (who are connected with electric vehicles) and an environmental adviser to Deutsche Bank. He’s also a member of the Green Fiscal Commission and connected with the British Antarctic Survey, and president of the Carbon Capture and Storage Association (the latter not mentioned in the register of interests).

    The Register IT online news website has found another Green interest that Oxburgh has which hasn’t been declared. Oxburgh turns out to also be a director of an organisation called GLOBE, the Global Legislators Organisation for a Balanced Environment.

    There’s also a link between GLOBE and the MP expenses scandal. Two of the MPs facing criminal charges over the expenses scandal, Elliott Morley and David Chaytor, hold positions with GLOBE, Morley as the worldwide secretary and Chaytor the British branch secretary.”

  169. 169
    stark says:

    Because for democracy to work, at some point the electorate will have to vote for what it believes in. Tory betrayal, coupled with the moral blackmail of “you’ll let GB back in” doesn’t get my vote.

  170. 170
    Dung Fly says:

    Help! My legs have gone on strike and I cannot land.

    My husband’s nose has a big bogey but I refuse to picket.

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    And there was much joy .... says:

    Dear Old Nick Heavenly

    The answer to your questions are no and no respectively!!

    But I still love my country. Its just what they have done to it…

    As for the insertion. instead of a word, a red hot poker would suit. It would not only be deserved but also historically apt.

    Always good to read your comments.

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    Bastards says:

    Hope you don’t mind I have coped that for printing and distribution

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    jgm2 says:

    Nah mate.

    If Brown wins then the pound is finished and the UK is finished.

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    Bastards says:

    and Blair knew Brown was a clunking idiot who would soon be exposed and hopefully take the spotlight off him

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    Hugh Janus says:

    On Toady as well. He tried swapping the spade for a JCB but it didn’t work (when he could get a word in edgeways against the usual prattle from Jim Smug-McNaughtie that is). Listening to him trying desperately to save what is left of his miserable reputation was quite nauseating. That anyone of such low intelligence and terrible judgement should make it to Cabinet level speaks volumes about the state we are now in. I truly despair.

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    Hoonwalker says:

    Geoff Hoon says he was misunderstood. Never tried to line his trousers.

    I’ll make it simple Geoff: you’re a liar.

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    Up Periscope says:

    Never. Its full of shite.

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    Lucy&Lisa SkyBabes Say Hello says:

    we agree with him

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    Maladroit Labour Chump says:

    Are you on the same medication as Gordoom ??

    Go Forth and Multiply.

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    Lucy&Lisa SkyBabes Say Hello says:

    we agree with you Lizzie, well done babe

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    stark says:

    And now, we’re going to have “EU economic governance” driven by the beneficial crisis of impending Greek default – an inevitability of the euro and well anticipated by the integrationalists. You think “Dave” will block this ? Will he fuck. There will be some posturing, a minor concession or 2, and another trenche of the remnants our nation given over.

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    Orgreave Veteran says:

    Anybody see that uncouth, ignorant, Marxist Cun* Crow on the television last night. Straight out of the same mold as combover Arthur. It took me back a few years – looks like, in the words of Irving Berlin, “There may be trouble ahead”

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    stark says:

    Oi ! WTFs going on ?

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    McGroom says:

    Tony Blair had this great idea along with Bill Clinton that if you couldn’t redistribute existing wealth from rich to poor (socialism), then providing cheap loans to the poor to expand and invest themselves richer (capitalism) was a great idea, which it is.

    The problem came when Tony and Gordon found a way to channel even more money to uncreditworthy borrowers.

    Credit insurance was invented in London whereby banks could buy loan default insurance and lend to anybody and not be responsible if the borrower defaulted.

    The FSA let UK banks lend out 30% more money that they would have been otherwise able to do under existing debt provisioning and capital adequacy laws creating an unprecedented credit boom and subsequent systemic banking failure and bust.

    Had the FSA required the banks to stick to the existing 8% debt provisoning rules regardless of wheteher they had credit insurance or not, we would not be in quite so much mess.

    Gordon Brown IS responsible for this mess as this credit insurance (credit default swaps and collateralised debt obligations) were first created and promoted out of London under the “wartchful” gaze of the FSA and Gordon Brown while Chancellor.

    I also find Gordon Brown’s assault on the City of London particularly galling. Who were the British institutions that failed? They were Royal Bank of Scotland (based in Edinburgh), Bank of Scotland (based in Edinburgh), Northern Rock (based in Newcastle), Halifax (based in Halifax) and Bradford and Bingley (based in Bradford). Don’t bash the City when ALL of the incompetance was coming from Gordon’s back yard.


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    Lucy&Lisa SkyBabes Say Hello says:

    we don’t believ you sarah

    we think you’re a patsy

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    My Lord MandleScum of Dripping Arse says:

    I ALWAYS come from behind.

    Bend forward a little will you

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    Primus Inter Pares says:

    Listen here pooch Its quite easy really. When a “a pension pot” has insufficient funds it simply pays out less. The tollocks of going cap in hand to the tax payer needs to be stopped NOW. Pension funds use the funds they have full stop, tough, cheap and realistic.

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    Skool is boring says:

    Well let’s hope the little wotsits actually come in and learn something without dropping their gum on the fitted carpets.

    PFI is like the never never. Have now, pay for 20 years (variable by contract) with interes, use dodgy discounted cash flows (NPV) to justify. Developer takes finance for project from Banks and theoretically carries the risk…but that’s all academic at present. Over time costs are greater, and in the rush, schools, hospitals, police stations etc, etc are built in the wrong places and with changed spec.

    But the key is that the liability is set in contract. It is not discretionary and has first call on government funds. Cut pensions, new projects whatever, the PFI’s must go on being paid.

    The attraction was to pretend that the debt was not the governments but the private sectors.

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    Go_Fourth says:

    You are an idiot.

    It was Labour’s bprrowing policies that saved the world’s banks and brought us out of the deepest global economic crisis in a generation.

    Gordon Brown’s bailout policies were followed by President Obama and every other major country.

    The Tories’ “do nothing policy” wasn’t followed by anyone.

    Face it mate. Scientific socialism works.

    That’s why Labour are on course to win the next election. We will be the permanent, default Party of Government in British politics from now on.

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    MI5 says:

    ‘The Centre for Polcy Studies (at end 2008) argues that real national debt is actually £1.340 billion which is 103.5 percent of GDP. This includes all the public sector pension liabilities such as pensions and P.F.I contracts etc”

    Anyone got a better, more up to date figure ?

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    Home Truth says:

    It takes more than comments on here to take your country back. Moaning and complaining is fine but to plan to abandon it without a fierce fight is defeatist in the least and at the other end is bordering on cowardice. It has to be said regardless of how much it offends.

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    English Liberation Front says:

    This is so good that I have cut’n’pasted to save it as “Labour Boast” document.

    I want to be able to read it, savour it – and post it here again – after May 6th, when the whole country, not just a vociferous minority of power-grabbing socialist twats, will have spoken.

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    Go_Fourth says:

    I genuinely feel sorry for you, you hateful homophobe. You need professional help.

    Until you get some, don’t bother posting on this blog any more.

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    the beast of clerkenwell says:

    E ?
    Chrystal meth?
    Just what is it that you are taking?

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    jgm2 says:

    Pure revisionism. It was Labours borrowing policies since 2002 that precipitated this mess.

    Economic fuckwit.

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s shocking – the cover up continues!

    Why no investigative journalism into GCC and it’s ruling Celtic mafia?

    Why no questions as to where Purcell is hiding and into his close relationships with Labour MPs? Surely the press have heard the rumours the general public have.

    Do let this story die or so much for living in a free society.

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    Hello says:

    Your talking to a dog

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    Lucy&Lisa SkyBabes Say Hello says:

    We both want you to know that since Gordon Brown has been Prime Mentalist it has rained an awful lot. Indeed statistics (not ours) show that there has been more rainfall over Britain in the last two years than ever before before records began. So our message to you guys and gals out there is get rid of Gordon quickly before the floods are upon us…..the outlook is awful until you do….mmmwwwaaahhhhhh

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    Lies, damned lies, and statistics says:

    No the armed forces pension freeze is not offset. Yes the armed forces pay review body set what they considered to be the going rate for the rank then subtracted a percentage away as the contribution to the AFPS. So in effect an armed forces pension is funded by the recipient. Of course doing it this way the contribution is mandatory with no opt out and no comeback if someone is dismissed the service with no pension. The AFPS has changed since I left the service so things may be different now.

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    Martin Day says:

    Ever since I can remember daddy always taught me to take my medicine and sit on his knee without squirming. As a rich man he always had nice soft hands and It always seemed natural for them to be inside my shorts pulling my little worm.

    When I grew up it lovely to meet other lady boys and play with their little bits and of course pop my old chap where the sun don’t shine.

    Now I have been made a Lord I am very powerful and can take my pick of anyone with a nice young chubby bot bot. I can also write as much rubbish on blogs as I like whilst still in bed with Angelino and Giovani.

    Anyway must get on, see you soon and don’t forget to vote Labour.

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    Maladroit Labour Chump says:

    I don’t know you – you can’t claim to be my mate and judging by the amount of tumbleweed blowing across the GoFourth website, no-one is your mate.

    Liebour might default on their debts: they will never aspire to be the default party.

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    MI5 says:

    That is the intelligent approach…

    Given the maximum shit that Labour are throwing around now and which will land on their own heads within one year…

    Tories should keep “their arse low in the grass”…

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    Blue Rosette says:

    If correct, Cameron will be replaced too as he will be seen as a loser.

    Frankly if you cannot win in this climate you are a non starter.

    Roll on Hague and Davis.

    Bunch of shallow, impressionable, useless, hopeless school boys playing politics as they have nothing else to do. These chaps have never done a days work in their lives.

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    TimC says:

    Ontario Teachers pension fund buys Camelot. So that at least is a FUNDED pension scheme. Why not make all pensions for future members of the profession funded by paying into a real investment scheme,(I declare an interest- they pay me £1400 a year!)

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    Anonymous says:

    Up yours sweetheart.

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    Anyone but Labour says:

    With another five years of Gordon Brown you will get a mass exodus of highly skilled engineers, scientists, teachers etc leaving this country for a better place.
    And believe me it is already happening.

    Who will be left in this New Labour socialist experiment ?
    Civil servants , 8 million economically inactive, young people taught in state schools who have no other aspiration than to work in Tesco, and of course self serving Labour politicians who have enough wealth to laugh at the rest.

    This country is nearly finished now, another five years of New labour will complete the job.

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    Primus Inter Pares says:

    Makes more sence than talking to the Labour trolls who visit here now and again.

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    Batty Hattie Harmanescu says:

    Good piece, I just had an annual survey form from my MP, if it’s OK with you, I will include your piece in the space provided on the form.

    Having said that, I don’t think it would tell her anything she doesn’t know already.

    Can’t believe I voted for that lying shit Blair in ’97. I have penance done, and penance more will do.

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    The footpath through the marsh says:

    Thats the place I am in too. They are all as bad as each other. I know some are OK but not who. It’s a vote for the least evil, and that too is a very fine line I am still trying to define.

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    Purpleline says:

    These Hunts really fucking annoy me, just because other countries are worse or similar does not make a flying fuck.

    If I lived next door to a multi millionaire I would not be rich and if I lived next door to a bankrupt, I would not be in the same boat.

    I do not care whether France , Italy Germany are as bad as us or better than us what I care about is the UK and more to the point England.

    P.S. Why is most people on TV and leading the Unions all fucking useless Scots? ARe they waging war on the ENglish?

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    Get a life says:

    Subtle distinction, for the intellectually and morally challenged like you, between libertarian conservative values and Conservatism as currently defined.

    No slavish leader cult on this blog.

    Fools get roasted.

    Smell the burning yet, fool.

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    jolly says:

    let us pray we can turn back from the cliff edge, if brown gets back were finished for sure, take the scottsh mob and clear off from jolly

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    Go_Fourth says:

    One of the best things about polling day will be rubbing the Labour victory in the faces of the Right.

    The look on your ugly, hateful faces as you come to terms with the fact that Britain has changed – that we live in a multicultural, diverse, cosmpolitan, caring, socialist society and it’s going to stay that way.

    The look on your ugly, hateful faces as you come to terms with the fact that no Right-wing Party will ever hold power in britain again.

    History is on our side. Each election victory brings closer our dream of a world without borders, without hunger, greed, inequality and oppression.

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    Ted Bundy says:

    Congratulations Mr Day a rather good post and not the usual Labourlist crap. To the other Tory supporters you may not like what he has written but that doesn’t make it untrue. This is Cameron’s problem his core vote has deserted him at a time when he should by now be romping home to put this miserable Government out of existence. Cameron has betrayed his own core supporters.

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    The footpath through the marsh says:

    The problem is the people are not getting to hear it.

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    King Chillout says:

    Martin Day does usually spout a load of shit, but this time he is right.
    Cameron has done his best to put real Tories off from voting for him.

    Dave gave his cast iron guarantee because he knew that was/is what people wanted. Unfortunately he really had no intention of delivering on it. Labour didn’t force him to say it. He chose to.

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    Anonymous says:

    Sounds pretty similar then. Just thought in the present circumstances this Govt may have ‘balanced’ the freeze on pension rise (for the Armed Forces)with some other financial payment. What could I have been thinking???
    Saw a bit of a program last night about medivacs from Afganistan. Jesus that should be shown earlier to make people more aware, stomach turning.

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    Go_Fourth says:

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

    One of the best things about polling day will be rubbing the Labour victory in the faces of the Right.

    The look on your ugly, hateful faces as you come to terms with the fact that Britain has changed – that we live in a multicultural, diverse, cosmpolitan, caring, socialist society and it’s going to stay that way.

    The look on your ugly, hateful faces as you come to terms with the fact that no Right-wing Party will ever hold power in Britain again.

    History is on our side. Each election victory brings closer our dream of a world without borders, without hunger, greed, inequality and oppression.

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    Stings like a bee says:

    Didn’t know we were offered a vote on Liston. Preferred Mohammed Ali myself.

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    The footpath through the marsh says:

    Joe public like to hear pledges in common language like a hill is a hill not the hypotenuse of a right angle, if you get my drift.

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    restandbthankfull says:

    The 3rd runway at Heathrow seems to be in doubt. Campaigners have won their battle in the High Court. Hoon really is a Hoon – they have been found out. Labours flagship policy is finished. So much for Labour trying to stop these legal cases – the people have won.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    yeah. thought so. We’re all fucked.

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    Green Fabian says:

    This stuff at one time used to be funny just like the Two Ronnies.

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    Tracey Temple says:

    Wot did they put in those pies ???

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    Stupid LibDem says:

    Stupid LibDem MP on the Telly. No third runway at Heathrow means building Hi-speed rail links. So Mrs clever cloggs how do you build a railway across the Atlantic?

    Anyway Green Dave will be happy. Perhaps Boris Island Airport will be built afterall.

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    Alastair Darling says:

    No. It’s the fake charity that funnels money directly into Brown’s slush fund. Oh, there I go again being honest. Too much Sodium Pentothal this morning. Oh, what the *uck, I’m out of a job anyway soon.

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    Get a life says:

    Dear Academics,

    Strikes are about power and who decides what in a company.

    Can I have my degree now?

    If Walsh and the Board and the Shareholders don’t have their way, there will be no BA in short order.

    So it is either Walsh busts the union, or the union busts BA.

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    The footpath through the marsh says:

    Dave needs to be less of a gentleman.

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    restandbthankfull says:

    I never thought I would see the words “caring” and “socialist” in the same sentence.

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    New Labour's Legacy says:

    Gordon Brown is revered throughout the world for his economic skill and it is only Tory toffs who are in denial.
    Gordon Brown has led the way in forming an exit strategy from this financial storm’ which started in America.
    Read this WSJ article from last year and see how wrong you Con’s have been on everything.

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    From the hustings says:

    I think you’ll find they haven’t. The polls are not reflecting the mood in the country who are not just fed up with Broon and Liebour they HATE them.
    Yesterday’s polls finding Labour ahead in the marginals. Turned out these were far down the Tory target list and mean Jack shit.

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    Batty Hattie Harmanescu says:

    scientific socialism ?

    Who has been filling your empty head with this tosh.

    If Brown wins it will not be on merit, it will be because the opposition are ‘king useless.

    Fair for all? You and you cohorts have ruined this country, if only I were not so bloody old I’d be able to get out of it.

    Traitors the lot of you, want to pick the odd one out from this list:-
    Donald Mclean, Guy Burgess, Lord Haw Haw, Tony Blair, Anthony Blunt, John Cairncross, Kim Philby, Gordon Brown, Michael Bettany. Bishop Odo of Bayeux.

    Go on have a stab at it.

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    Go_Fourth says:

    You obviously don’t remember the most uncaring PM of the last century – Thatcher, whose twin mantras “greed is good” and “no such thing as society” left our schools and hospitals in ruins, and millions on the dole.

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    Anonymous says:

    The people? LibDems, the climate changers and Green Liberal Dave? These are not the people, these are people who are trying to shit on the people.

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    South of the M4 says:

    With another 5 years to play with, I have no doubt you can expand your utter fuckwittery to depths currently unimaginable.

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    And there was much joy .... says:

    Home Truth,

    You are right of course. But I have fought for almost fifty years. There comes a time when one is entitled to say, “Oh bugger it! Other people can do the fighting now. I must do what I must do, for what is left of my life.”

    But, like Socrates, one may still be a gadfly! But, unlike him, I am not prepared to lay down my life. I think I can put it to better service elsewhere.

    Anyone is entitled to criticise this, and if that is what you mean, I do not object. You are entitled to your view and I to mine.

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    concrete pump says:

    LOL. Again.

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    Batty Hattie Harmanescu says:

    no Right-wing Party will ever hold power in britain again.

    You may well be right, but only because you have destroyed our democracy. Proud of that are you?

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    English Liberation Front says:

    We’ll see.

    But frankly, old chum, the last 13 years have not exactly been models of a country without greed, inequality and oppression. You achieved the “without borders” bit though, although I can’t help feeling that has stored up a few more problems for future governments to deal with, as most socialist regimes do.

    “Ugly, hateful faces” says it all though. Your mask slips. You legislate against hatred, except where your bigotry and prejudice promotes it. You champion diversity, but not the diversity to pursue alternative political views without being demonised and abused. You use the word “caring” when thousands have died in your filthy hospitals and your illegal wars, when your “caring society” discriminates against older workers and indigenes. When I look at parliament most of the ugly, hateful faces I see are on the government benches.

    Two sides to every story you see – although of course you don’t, because you are a socialist, which is basically a misleading word for a fascist.

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    Mr Weller says:

    lets call it what it is in the common language. Spin and deception is lying and cheating

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    The IMF is coming says:


  242. 242
    English Liberation Front says:

    I genuinely feel sorry for you too, supporting a failed ideology that has been responsible for more death, torture and misery in the world than any other. You are as sadly deluded as Castro, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Couseaceau – or Brown.

    We don’t want your socialism, you hypocrisy, your lies, your double standards, your petty regulations, your surveillance, your wagging fingers, your insufferable, endless lecturing, your intrusions into our lives, your stupid laws, your barmy wimmen or your ridiculously arrogant overarching assumption that yours is the only way – we want genuine freedom.

    The good thing is that if you do win you won’t be able to afford any of the above bollocks and you will face immeasurable amounts of real insurgency which will soon wipe the patronising smiles off your stupid, bolshevik faces.

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    DNTT says:

    I don’t rate the tories highly either.

    Same load of old rehashed policies to make it look as though they’re are doing something constructive.

    Red, yellow or blue, it’s all the same.

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    Steve Expat says:

    Have you missed the point? We are living beyond our collective means. The government are borrowing, on their own figures, nearly £5,000 a SECOND, £300,000 a MINUTE, £18,000,000 an HOUR. HALF A BILLION POUNUDS A DAY.

    Our annual overspend is the same proportion of GDP as Greece and higher than that of Portugal – who have just called in the IMF in case you missed the news.

    Next year, by their own figures, we will be spending 50% more on debt interest than on the defence budget at a time of war.

    There is no more money, the country is fucked. Look at the mar.kets every time the polls inch closer, look at the pound losing 25% against most major currencies since the start of the recession.

    Why were we the first of the G7 countries into recession, why are we the last of those out of recession?

    To quote David Cameron, when responding to the Budget: Nobody has yet said what is the question to which the answer is five more years of Gordon Brown.

    41 days and counting, unless the cnut bottles it yet again…

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    Ronaldo says:

    Is that you Mandy?

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    Old School Nokia says:

    Read a basic English Language textbook and learn how to use the apostrophe you moron. You are plainly a product of the NuLab education system. Now run along and play little boy.

  249. 249
    Spermwhale Whalen says:

    balls Balls and no balls Balls

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    McGroom says:

    Martin you seem to forget that your Darling said yesterday that his cuts would be more draconian than Maggie Thatcher.

    Funny how Darling is not prepared to tell the electorate what those cuts will be ahead of an election.

    How can everyone trust that Gordon will not cut the Sure Start budget after the election, he has broken evry other promise he has made – just Google “Golden Rules” and “Lisbon Treaty Referendum”

  251. 251
    Anonymous says:

    Congratulations, you win the most boring twat award so far today. Keep it up as every one is laughing at you.

  252. 252
    Spermwhale Whalen says:

    all yanks and UK politicians.Works for me

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    Could be interesting after May 6 says:

    No, that is about right. And with the projected year on year deficit, the borrowing should rise to the Greek level of 138% at the end of the third year.

    But don’t forget the private debt splurge about 15% of our citizens indulged in over the Brown prudence years. That is also to be repaid and will not be available for consumer spending.

    Taken together, Brown’s Britain is looking very sick indeed.

    Thatcher cut by only allowing growth in public expenditure of 0.7% while paying down debt.

    The next government has to CUT 1.4% while paying down debt.

    Actually, the next government is going to have to have nerves of steel.

  254. 254
    DNTT says:

    Because it would expose the lies that have been spouted by every single government since the year dot.

    Us proles have been hoodwinked for generations.

    A pox on all their houses.

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    something special says:

    Maybe default as in default on the national debt, a few years down the line.

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    Lies, damned lies, and statistics says:

    LOL pledging to increase serving service personnel pay is a vote winner or at least not a vote loser. Protecting the pensions of ex service personnel carries no such advantages.

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    English Liberation Front says:

    Not how I remember it. I do remember though that her “caring socialist” opposition was largely in thrall to and in the pay of the world’s most dangerous totalitarian communist regime. A regime that oppressed millions and threatened the world with nuclear annihilation.

    Your regime has thrown billions at hospitals that kill old people with neglect and filth, at useless schools that don’t educate and there are still millions out of work or in lucrative Labour-sponsored non-jobs, because you have invented other taxpayer-funded ways to conceal the true picture. Concealing the true picture, I give you, you are very good at.

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    barefootcontessa says:

    He won’t.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    Its of interest to compare and contrast different economic experiments going off in different countries.

    NOTE: If your neighbour is rich or poor does make a difference if you trade with them. Any analogy with your neighbours in a house is false, unless you’re doing things like getting paid to do their garden, or fix their roof. Does make a difference if you get the rich guy to pay for you to do it, or get the bankrupt guy to do it for you.

    Also of interest is how well the euro is doing – both in trading and political terms.

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    DNTT says:

    Nice try.

    So, about these off-balance sheet debts….

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    You want chink chink go chink chink says:

    off to alibaba then

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    stark says:

    This was an inevitability of the euro. Those who set the euro up knew that it would result in beneficial crises and hence central economic management. And, if you control the money, you control everything.

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    The Admiral says:


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    barefootcontessa says:

    Beware he may be in league with the Ruin yet!

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    Purpleline says:

    I have noticed that and also other parts of government being extremely difficult, demanding money with menacies. Companies House even it is most distrubing.

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    concrete pump says:

    Not going to fucking happen, though, is it Keith, you thick c*nt.

    Come election day, the people are going to realise that they can’t afford 5 more years of a narcissistic prick.

    I can’t wait to read all the left wing blogs after the GE. I’m gonna gloat like i’ve never gloated before.

    Mmmm……..fucking lovely.

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    something special says:

    Yes and i will be needing a refund because they purposely and without good reason put me on the wrong (higher) tax code, some sort of pre-election money grab perhaps?

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    The IMF is coming says:

    Labour are appalling people

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    Hold tight.. says:

    you defeatist twat – grow some balls

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    Purpleline says:

    I think I will kill myself if he wins. Outside Number 10 Drowning in debt street.

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    Instinct init says:

    and thats something every estate chav and couch jockey will tell you they have known for years

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    Stan Butler says:

    So you would consider Cambodia under Pol Pot, Russia under Stalin, Cuba under Castro, China under Mao, Korea under Jong Il as models for Britain do you?
    ‘History is on our side. Each election victory brings closer our dream of a world without borders, without hunger, greed, inequality and oppression.’
    The history of misery, communism and hate are your side, you prick. Socialists no nothing of tolerance, only hate. Hate towards anyone who diagrees with them (UK). Hate towards Jews and other minorities (Stalin, Hitler). Hate against the intellectual (Pot). Hate against free thought and free speech (all of them).
    Socialism is the politics of envy, poverty and misery.

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    barefootcontessa says:

    Son of Thatcher – Blair, brother of Blair – Cameron.

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    Busted Nokia says:

    so why is sterling falling under Brown?

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    DNTT says:

    “he is hotter than ass of Beyoncé”

    Snapped me out of my anger. Thanks :)

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    The IMF is coming says:

    I’ve noticed more locusts recently

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    get it right says:

    It’s 6 months on the sick for academics, before pay cuts kick in, not 6 weeks.

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    barefootcontessa says:

    SE, quite so!

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    Leeeve it Stevie – s’not werf it.

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    Anonymous says:

    I think Gourd was trying not to fart in public. Telling lies in front of a camera can have disasterous effects on your internal systems!

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    Geordie Scoot says:

    The only Martin Day I know of is head Councillor on West Lothian Council, a product of that paragon of moral rectitiude, the Scottish Labour Party. Are you he? If so, don’t you have a day job?

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    Steve Expat says:

    Ha Ha Ha – Darling now admits that the cuts will be further than anything done by Thatcher – obviously prefering to prevent a run on the pound rather than big up his election chances!

    Is Darling’s geniune honesty now one of the Tories’ biggest assets?

    The Iron Lady, from memory, never actually cut spending in money terms year on year – but how many floating voters will wake up to the news that Labour want to cut more than Thatcher and immediately decide to vote for soemone else..?

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    Gov organised crime is no different than mafia organised crime says:

    so whoever is on Audit Scotland have had a visit from McMash and O Crack

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    DNTT says:

    “David Cameron is a novice.”

    Gordon Brown has been in Downing Street for 13 years and he still can’t get it right. If anything he has made a precarious situation worse.

    He’s had his chance. All change!

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    barefootcontessa says:

    Hoon doesn’t suffer from greed and deceit. Oh no. He is a mere male, and suffers from ‘boastfulness in front of an attractive woman’. At least, that’s what he says!

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    Could be interesting after May 6 says:

    Off course he will make the cuts.

    His chums at the G20 expect him to.

    All this fair for all is pure flannel.

    You might (or might not) believe in the Socialist cause.

    Gordon believes he should profit from the Socialist cause.

    G20 are Gordon’s peers (in his eyes). Not the idiots he built his power base on.

    His great disadvantage is that people dislike him with a vengeance and the sense of unease about him runs deep. The idea of him makes people feel sick.

    This emotion will inform the choice at the Gen. Elect.

  287. 287
    barefootcontessa says:

    Are you having us on?

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    Baffled too says:

    It’s in the water old chap

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    Liz Brown says:

    He was lying (quelle sorprise). I could tell because he was doing that funy thing with his jaw……………..

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    Batty Hattie Harmanescu says:

    We may hope they will face the music and dance, suspended from a lampost by piano wire.

    Before the fiddlers have fled? How prescient.

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    I hate New Labour says:

    Yet still, still 30% of this country’s morons will vote for him.

    I despair, I really do. It shouldn’t be close.

    How bad do things have to be before people realise 5 more years of the half blind, fat, bullying scottish imbecile will doom us all.

    I don’t know what the question is, but the answer is *not* Gordon Brown.

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    concrete pump says:

    Desperate troll. You mongs must be worried, otherwise why would you be posting such feeble shit.

  293. 293
    DNTT says:

    Well said Waad.

    Echoing my comments but without the swearing.

  294. 294
    barefootcontessa says:

    Just regularising the fiscal stability. Or, sticking the knife into Ruin.

  295. 295
    Hold tight.. says:

    Think you’ll find that he copied and pasted Gerald Warner from the Telegraph

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    Mr Ned says:

    That is why 50% of the country will not vote at all and of the remaining 50%, 20% will not vote labour or tory or liberal.

    People who genuinely care about this country have a choice at this election between voting conservative or voting for (UKIP, B&P, Jury Team (ht to OH) English Democrats or Local independent)

    Do we hold our noses and vote tory in the hope that they will actually become a CONSERVATIVE government in spite of the masses of evidence to the contrary? Do we hold our noses and vote tory as a risk that we are voting for the SAME disastrous high-tax, politically correct, pre EU, pro global warming bollocks policies as labour, but hoping against hope that the tories will actually NOT support these things?

    Or do we vote other, knowing full well that it risks keeping Brown in power, but also knowing that if we do in sufficient numbers, AND we persuade enough disillusioned non-voters to vote for these candidates too so as to give these pro-British candidate’s parties a good platform to build further support from.

    In other words, do I vote for policies I cannot stand, just to try to get rid of Brown? Or do I vote for policies I really do like and support, but see Brown’s policies enacted anyway?

    The way I see it, we are looking at getting either Brown’s policies, or very very similar policies to Brown’s whoever wins out of labour or tory. SO, it makes no difference who I vote for (in terms of what actual policies will be enacted) After the next election we will get more EU interference, more politically correct sexism, racism and heterophobia, and more climate alarmist bollocks whether Brown wins, or Cameron wins, or there is a hung Parliament. Whatever the result out of those three, the resulting policies will be broadly the same!

    SO I am voting UKIP to help give them a stronger base from which to build for the future. UKIP need my support more than the tories and so I am casting a positive vote for what I want to support, rather than a negative vote to prevent policies being enacted, (that the tories will NOT prevent anyway).

    The tories have utterly failed to present an alternative to a pro-EU, pro politically correct racist-sexist-heterophobic, pro mass-immigration, pro man-made global warming bollocks party.

    How do I vote against our membership of the EU? I cannot do so by voting tory.

    How do I vote against racist and sexist and heterophobic legislation? I cannot by voting conservative.

    How do I vote against climate alarmist nonsense? I cannot by voting conservative.

    How do I vote for a smaller state with low taxes and a genuine enterprise economy? I cannot by voting conservative.

    The only rational vote I can cast is for UKIP.

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    Said in jest says:

    getting a bit close to the possible future for you?

  298. 298
    DNTT says:

    Buy gold, baked beans and a shotgun.

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    The IMF is coming says:

    Man in the street is not suffering the recession yet. As soon as interest rates go up and martgages go up………….
    It’s the pound in the pocket

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    barefootcontessa says:

    You can be sure politicians are lying when they utter the word ‘LOOK’,l and start pointing the index finger.

  301. 301
    concrete pump says:

    Go Fourth = FAIL.


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    DNTT says:

    Ahem. I believe the term is “biatch”.

  303. 303
    Batty Hattie Harmanescu says:

    And greed is good does not apply to Tony Blair.

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    sockpuppet #4 says:

    I feel sorry for the chinese. Sometime soon they’re going to be up to their eyeballs in consumer goods and discover they can’t sell it to all the daft sods in the rest of the world. “crap, we’re going to have to use all this shite ourselves”.

  305. 305
    enquirer says:

    I am informed that Mandelson is trying to buy a property in Old Queen Street (The Spectator had best be on guard) where he can skulk after The GBrownshirts lose the election. His time is to be spent writing his memoirs ”Coming from Behind. He is said to be looking to invest in young green shoots from the Brazilian rain forests, to prove his Euco friendly stance with uro-greens.

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    None of the above x says:

    Vote Tory At The Next Labour Election

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    DNTT says:

    Vote None of the Above.

    All charlatans and theives.

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    yup says:

    Your PS.

    From Richard North (EUreferendum blog) “a territorial area which likes to think itself as a country but which is an impoverished Euro-region, kept solvent by the charity of English taxpayers, who are forced to tolerate this high-level stupidity for no other reason than it is the Scottish vote which keeps the current government in power”.

    And the worst of it is that it is a breeding incubator for Stalinist politicians.

  309. 309
    Anonymous says:

    Unfortunately DOG hasn’t the intelligence to understand anything.He is a retard.
    The proof of this is evident in the only comment he is capable of making & continually uses on this blog.

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    McGroom says:

    “Gordon Brown is revered throughout the world for his economic skill”



    Govt Borrowing from £27 bn to £163 bn
    Govt Debt from £347 bn to £799 bn
    Growth from +3.3% to -5.0%
    Inflation from 1.9% to 3.0%
    Personal Debt from £492 bn to £1,460 bn
    Health Spending from £43 bn to £119 bn
    Education from £38 bn to £161 bn
    Unemployment from 2.23 mil to 2.45 mil
    Average House prices from £55k to £161k


    Even the BBC couldn’t defend the indefensible, so they didn’t bother discussing it instead

  311. 311
    Groucho says:

    They don’t comprehend the extent of the shit that the country is in. Brown is running a deliberate misinformation campaign to ensure this continues.

    For example there was a poll yesterday which showed that 2/3rds of the public actually think that ‘efficiency savings’ will be enough to get the country back into the black.

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    barefootcontessa says:

    We have a long way to fall yet. Dave, go for it, tell us the worst, I think the general public would appreciate some honesty!

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    barefootcontessa says:

    Sounds like the appropriate street for him.

  315. 315
    Roger waters says:

    Only if

  316. 316
    Maladroit Labour Chump says:

    “A weak currency is the sign of a weak economy,which is the sign of a weak government”
    Gordon Brown, 1995

  317. 317
    Roger waters says:

    stick it on No 10 petitions Wadd

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    DNTT says:

    The EUSSR has ALWAYS wanted total and utter control of European finances.

    Starting with Article 122 as seen here.

  319. 319
    Longshanks says:

    And yet Glasgow will merrily return 7 Labour MPs at the general election. Can’t say that the fuckwits don’t get everything they deserve.

  320. 320
    QWERTY says:

    Yes, the one eyed mong enjoys coming from behind.

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    Sir Everard Digby says:

    How prescient. How about ‘The majority of the Labour Party hates Brown and cannot wait to see him crash and burn’ Truer than your statement I suggest.

    The “cast-iron” lie about the Lisbon Treaty referendum -who passed it into law without a referendum? Ah Yes,son of the manse.

    ‘The endless contradictions on the economy; the insolence towards party workers; the clique dominating the party’ -now who does that remind me of? Ah yes,the son of the manse.

    ‘The sense of entitlement; above all, the sheer, monumental incompetence’ ….and 13 years of it to boot. -now who does that remind me of? Ah yes,the son of the manse.

    ‘Because their core vote has abandoned them – as they arrogantly encouraged it to do’……champagne socialists will sell themselves to anyone. Core vote is an unknown concept. It’s what’s in it for them that matters. They have also reinvented arrogance in it’s crassest form.

    Yet you try to defend it?

    Get a grip

    Can we buy you for some lobbying? 10p a day ok?

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    Sir Everard Digby says:

    True but Guido needs to add in the state pension liability too-even worse

  323. 323
    Johnny says says:

    Belize signs up to sharing of tax information

    Given how long Ashcroft has been in the shadows I wonder why the Government are only doing this now.

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    Madme Defarge says:

    PFI represents the public equivalent of going to a street corner loan shark who will tie you into usurious rates of interest you know you haven’t got a cat in hell’s chance of paying.

    You need to take a look at Hinchingbrooke Hospital in Huntingdon. They were persuaded to build a state-of-the-art unit to attract more patients and receive more funding. The unit cost £22million but will cost £93 million and the contract is so tightly worded they will not be able to get out of it.

    However the Govt then redrew the boundaries for Huntingdon (and it’s no coinicidence this used to be John Major’s seat and the safest Tory seat in the country). ue to boundary changes, the hospital’s potential extra business is going elsewhere and they are £42 million in debt and about to be handed over to the private sector.

    Addenbrookes specialists have now withdrawn their clinics at the hospital and it looks like A&E will close – next to a conurbation of major roads A1/A14/M11 so any emergencies will have to go to Peterborough 20 miles and Cambridge 15 miles or even Kettering.

    It will cost over £70 billion to pay off all the hospital PFI projects (and don’t forget there are schools and many other PFI projects besides) when their worth is £12 billion. We are pouring billions into the bank accounts of private companies for NO BENEFIT WHATSOEVER.

    Google Unison’s Caught in the Crossfire report by Dr John Lister for a very comprehensive view of how a once thriving local hospital which was once in profit when all around were in the red has become a basket case.

    It has already had several management crises; the unions are up in arms as there are hundreds of NHS jobs at risk and it is inevitable that medical staff will leave in their droves. Local people are mounting a brave campaign to save it but the dice are loaded.

    Really do the people of Huntingdon or this country deserve this? his Government is an utter, utter, utter disgrace. And if any more of those Labour trolls come on here spouting their total bollocks would someone arrange for their stupid mouths to be stitched up.

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    The Sleeper says:

    Perhaps the only thing that will finally awake the slumbering electorate to the lies of the corrupt,divisive,discriminatory charlatans that lay claim to the governance of this Country is……

    I dunno…

    ….somehow,I feel even a film of Brown on his knees sucking Mandlesons cock whilst Balls is ramming the Good Lords’ arse,on Clapham Common,would be seen as a ‘good socialist example of toleration,to be copied and not villified’.

    I despair for the apocalypse that will befall us if these fools allow Labour to rule for another 5 years.


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    Anonymous says:

    Absolutely fucking priceless. Scargill 1.39:

    “It’s a privilege and a pleasure to speak here today for far too long”

  328. 328
    Sir Everard Digby says:

    Scientific socialism – as with all lefty theories,complete crap. Depends on unlimited money produced from nowhere. Surely the collapse of the Soviet Union must have taught you why this does not work?

    I forgot, Socialists don’t learn any lessons,they just rewrite history.

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    The IMF is coming says:

    Labour/BBC always talk of the Deficit as though that is all we owe. £168bn doesn’t sound too bad.

    They never mention the National Debt of £800bn and rising (plus pension + PFI)

    It’s all about Deficit reduction within 4 years – the Debt will still rise!!
    We used to run surpluses

  330. 330
    Go Fourth says:

    Sorry everyone, i’ve just realised that i am a deluded lunatic, with shit for brains.

    I just wanted to clear that up.

  331. 331
    Gun Control Zero says:

    12 million starving chavs. Thats a case for firearms

  332. 332
    Poleaxed Tart says:

    why hasn’t this bloody dog been eaten yet?

  333. 333
    New Labour's Legacy says:

    Gordon Brown IS the saviour of the world’s financial system, carefully and selflessly guiding us out of the maelstrom, which started in America.
    Never have so many owed so much to one man.
    Only you Tory toffs fail to understand.

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    Sir Everard Digby says:

    Economical with the facts I think?

    1. Greed is good was a line from a film. Do try not to conflate reality with fantasy -hard for a socialist to do I know but try.

    2. Thatcher said

    ‘”I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.”

    Heaven forbid, no state control. How would you cope.

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    Limeys,I eat em for breakfast says:

    sounds like they had some specialist american advice

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    South of the M4 says:

    Totally agree. One point in your narrative though, as frightening as it is. There will be no jobs for people to remain in “.. until they drop…” That reality paints a much more dire picture of the future we can expect in the UK.

  337. 337
    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Hoonwork makes HoonSquirm:

  338. 338
    DNTT says:

    And all those silly arses on the picket lines will be unemployed.

    Take pistol, aim at foot. Fire!

  339. 339
    The Sleeper says:

    That article from six years ago, outlined the tragedy that would engulf our Economy just four years later.

    Yet,Brown, et al, still seem to be able to lie to the electorate with impunity,and be believed.

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    Steve Expat says:

    bc, I think the Tories are desparately trying to be honest, and look what’s happened to the polls in the last few months. The uneducated believe the mong with his fingers in his ears saying that there’s no problem and everything will be just fine as long as you all vote Labour…

    As someone said a few weeks back, the task the Tories have in being honest about the debt is like being attacked by a cage fighter when one wishes to play by the Queensbury Rules…

  341. 341
    MI5 says:

    STEPHEN BYERS is also President of GLOBE international

    All the fucking troughers in an international Zanu quango…


    (Subsidised by the European Union among others)

  342. 342
    Could be interesting after May 6 says:

    That’s why they went for immigrants in the desperate hope that they would become good little English bods and create the value that would keep the public sector pension elephant alive.

    Unfortunate though that unskilled Labour is too expensive in Britain….that’s why manufacturing is in China and not in Cheshire. Furthermore the immigrants have not moved beyond welfare dependency in any meaningful way despite being, in some cases, third generation. Thirdly the indigenous unskilled have been similarly infantalised. The ‘chav’ label comes to mind.

    In reality, the theory that lots of bods make for a wealthy society is disproved by the Calcutta argument……how rich are they?

    Switzerland has just 8 millions, yet they are twice as wealthy as the Brits.

    Population growth per se only produces wealth a la America in a resource filled new continent. It does not work in a mature economy based on quality skills.

  343. 343
    O Lordy says:

    The audience.Are they on a payroll. I’ve never met one of them, nor anyone who has. If they are the general public then God help us all.

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    Brown is pathetic says:

    It would be easy to save loads of money:

    1. Make sure no ex PM’s can become non-doms and make them pay their tax here (after all they were elected by the British people).

    2.All Mps who flipped homes should pay the balance / profit to the tax payer

    3. all mps leaving office and therefore selling their second homes should give money back to the taxpayer

    4. stop making so many pathetic laws – therefore less arrest, court time wasted etc…

    5. get rid of all the pathetic namby pamby nanny state jobs

    6. shift haf the dinosaurs out of the lords

    7. stop international travel for run of the mill mps

    8. stop gb spening any more cash

  345. 345
    Roman says:

    Why no answers that is the question.

  346. 346
    Slightly less dirty rat says:

    He already knows, Alistair told him so in his own sotto voce way.

  347. 347
    Welcome to the UK....Abandon hope all ye who enter here !! says:

    It is depressing that 34% of the electorate are actually prepared to vote for Brown and Labour despite Darling letting the cat out of the bag yesterday and telling “Toenails” that public spending cuts AFTER the election will be around 24%(WORSE yes that’s right for all those people on the left WORSE than anything Mrs Thatcher ever imposed on public expenditure)and that tax rises for EVERYONE not just the few as Labour apologists keep saying will rise including further hikes in National Insurance above the 1% already announced. Unemployment particularly in the public sector will increase sharply under Labour or Tory.

    Some of the electorate are clearly fools who are burying their heads in the sands and think that by voting Labour they will escape cuts and tax hikes personally(NOBODY will escape NOBODY)and that paying down the deficit can be achieved by departments ordering less paper-clips and reducing the number of people required to change a light bulb from 4 to 3.

    A re-election of a Labour government will make matters much much worse. The pound will plummet and interest rates will rise together with the loss of the UK’s Triple A credit rating.The markets think Brown/Darling’s budget is nonsense and that there is not the political will to deal with economic crisis. Everyone’s standard of living will be cut for the next 5 years whoever is re-elected

  348. 348
    Roman says:

    And now the FSA do the investigating, like they didn’t sort of

  349. 349
    Tanglewood says:

    Yes Alistair was way off message,Tory cuts versus Liebour negative spending.Headmaster Mandelbrots office and bring your own butter.

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    Off target says:

    an expert troll done the job there.

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    Short shrift says:

    I claim the prize for spotting the Ed balls comment

  352. 352
    Max the Impaler says:

    Well said.

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    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    Probably because the majority of the electorate don’t give a shit.

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    Mr Plum says:

    That 168 billion is just for this year so he hopes to reduce this in fours years to 84 billion per year.

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    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Compare and contrast:

    This weeks election talks about efficiency savings.

    A few instances have arisen recently of local councils cramming pointless jobs in just before April for fear of losing their budgets next year.

  356. 356
    Margaret Buckett says:


  357. 357
    Pull up the draw bridge says:

    When Rumpy Pumpy realises that the UK has run out of cash we will be thrown out of the Euopean catastrophy. Shame init?

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    Well now says:

    sounds like that world gov stuff the tinfoilers go on about!

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    The IMF is coming says:

    reading the comments makes you realise that Mike Naylor was alive and well back then

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    I hate Browns, Balls, NuLabour, Old Labour, and kind of Labour says:

    no one believes your lies anymore. The Tories are wrong and Labour are right in your book. FFS, Labour have been in power for 13 years and look at the mess! Why keep blaming the Tories for having a $8 billion blank hole. Thanks to Gordon this country currently has a £700 billion black hole, rising to £1.4 trillion. And you say the Tory numbers don’t stack up……get real man and get your head out of the Labour infested hole its in.

  361. 361
    Barak Hosein Obama says:

    Thank you very much. It’s great to be here on Guido’s blog. Yes, I totally admire Prime Minister Gerald Brown. Like him, I know that change is never easy. Change is hard. Some change is harder than others. And easy change is never as easy as hard change, if only because hard change is hard. Changing the easy to the hard is harder than changing the hard to the easy. But if, ladies and gentlemen, you are looking for easy change done the hard way, and I know Gerald supports me in this area,then that hard change will not be easy, if only because change is hard, and harder change is much harder when it is hard than when it is easy. This is especially the case if you use the same way of changing results that ultimately result in change done the hard way. And that is why I am proposing hard change with a different approach that could ensure a different change than we’ve had in the past with the same approach only with different results with easy change than the hard change that we’ve had when change was, in fact, easy. Thank you very much.

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    Anonymous says:

    Too good for him. He should be hung, drawn & quartered.

  363. 363
    Anonymous says:

    The Tories are useless and are going to lose.Simple as.They haven’t a clue about whats happening in most folks heads.If they were engaged with “real peoples concerns” ,not fucking P.C Think Tanks ,they’de realise that folk are going to vote Labour out of fear of lack of growth and a double dip recession when spending is cut.

    Cutting spending lost them the 2005 election and it looks like its going to cost them this one too.How does the saying go “only and idiot repeats the same mistake and expects a different outcome”

    The Tories need to see this from the angle of everyday people: possibly unemployed or paying their mortgage on their credit card and in part-time work praying for recovery and back to full-time work to pay off their massive debts before the baillfts come take everything they’ve got and toss them out into the street.

    This is the psychological state of the nation and Dave and Co must work with it not against it if they want to win ( even if cutting spending now IS he best thing to do )Winning the election is paramount.They can still have a spending review within 50 days of a new parliament to identify departments for future cuts and waste targeting to reassure the markets that they have a plan to reduce the deficit by 2014/15.This imo addresses the publics fears ( by cutting later )and reassures the markets.Whilst giving the Tories back a fighting chance.Hell I may vote for them if they sort themselves out.Head out of arse that is.

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    Dick Tator says:

    What have you got against yanks? I’m quite a nice guy. Don’t think much of Barry O’Barmy though.

  365. 365
    Anonymous says:

    a random sample of those academics suggests that this grass aint real – its astro-turf.

    eg. Nick clarke, London metropolitan “Nick has been active at all levels of the trade union movement, beginning as a shop steward, then national negotiator…” blah blah blah

    Nick Creaby Atwood, Northumbria…”Nick spent many years in local government and the trade union movement before becoming a Lecturer”

    Sonia McKay, London Met …”Sonia came to the Working Lives Research Institute from the Labour Research Department (LRD), the independent trade union-based research organisation,”

    see a pattern? then look at the funding for those that don’t declare a Union link…..

    I know its the Grauniad, but this is too bleedin’ easy….

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    Hold tight.. says:

    Holy crap – guess that’s me flagged up on central control for reading that…

  367. 367
    troglodyte says:

    I just read this rubbish to my cat. he was sick all over the carpet.

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    Anonymous says:

    Realism not defeatism.

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    Old Nick Heavenly(really not wishing to upset the hypocrites who feel free to comment upon europe) says:

    I was made persona non grata by Major for the sin of living in a van and having no address in 1995.

    I have rebuilt my life over here from scratch!

    Even so, it is only in the last 3 years that I have disowned my Britneyness. I am a slow learner, but when I ‘get it’ I get it good.

    It is all very sad, utterly fascinating and has revealed what the Jews were saying as they were herded into the gas chambers:

    I sincerly hope that you win your fight, but it is not my fight any more.

    I am 58 and have the most gorgeous 4 month old daughter. My priorities are here, in Europe, where she will grow up, the Infinite willing.
    ‘Where is my brother Moses, why did he not stay to fight.’

    Socrates was a supreme human being. ‘Know thyself’ he said.

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    The Court of Public Opinion says:

    Actually if you listen to that there’s a very interesting snippet straight from the Hoons mouth: MPs genuinely are unemployable when they quit. This explains why such notable examples as the flippin chipmunk up in Salford cling desperately to the ridiculous hope they will be retained. Also why they have to grab as much as they can whilst in office.

    Ahhh, what a shame paybacks such a bitch.

  371. 371
    Steve Expat says:

    Darling called by Bloomberg on fantasy growth figures

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    Legal definition says:

    east Anglia has a plughole, it should be pulled and the sea allowed to reclaim whats rightfully the seas

  373. 373
    Margaret Buckett says:

    Good Lord, is Canvas Holidays still operating? If this is what their reps are like, it’s caravans for me.

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    Drink Mud says:

    Ba it’s all balls

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    Anonymous says:

    Exactly and repeated often enough until hey sink in.

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    Groucho says:

    By which time the national debt will be around £1.4 trillion.

    Darling mentioned a cut in public spending of 24% (to put that in perspective a 24% cut at the MoD means no army) but this is only sufficient to cut the annual deficit by half.
    To get the country back in the black means cuts at least twice as large as this.

    Labour truly has shafted this country for generations to come. And now in a desperate attempt to hang on so that he can complete his demolition work, Brown is withholding the facts from the electorate.

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    Old Nick Heavenly(really not wishing to upset the hypocrites who feel free to comment upon europe) says:

    The order of that last post seems rearranged.

    Please put the Moses bit after the gas chamber bit.

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    Drink Mud says:

    I am laughing about this mod,hope the * fixes it

    Dri*nk Mud says:
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    March 26, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Ba it’s all b*alls

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    D*rink Mud says:

    D*rink Mud says:
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    March 26, 2010 at 11:55 am

    I am laughing about this mod,hope the * fixes it

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    March 26, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Ba it’s all b*alls

  380. 380
    D*rink Mud says:

    The UK will then become what the real plan is. A prison

  381. 381
    Minekiller says:

    Go Fourth (and multiply).

    Brilliant! Pure comedy. Love it. Your post made me laugh so much after what has been a tough working week.

  382. 382

    When an even vaguely libertarian government might come to power, some things will have to be done.

    (1) ALL “public sector pension records” will be burnt. The funds, which of course exist, will be transferred “pro rata” and in a blind way (to be fair) to each and every private sector pension fund that was milked by “windfall taxes” in the 1990s and later

    We shan’t know which fund was most raided as we shall have burnt the records of what was stolen, at the moment that all government buildings were invaded and taken over. All this is needful as the whole process will have been completed by 03:00 am on the morning of the libertarian win.

    (2) All “government buildings” containing bureaucrats of all the sorts you and I know about, will be locked-down. Former “employees” will have ten minutes, under supervision, to clear their desks of personal effects and property, having been handed a binliner each. No touching of computers or any associated software, hardware, filing cabinets, cupboard-stashes of pornography and the like, will be permitted. Any transgressors will be shot out of hand and put in the dumpster-skips at the back.

    (3) All “employment” records of persons in these buildings will be burnt. All hard-disks containing any sort of “human-remains-department” “information” will be malleted and steam-rolled.

    (4) All former “employees” in such places will have to wear,permanently, high-visibility-jackets saying “former bureaucrat” at all times, especially while on the beach at Magaluf. There will be a state-offenders’ register, which will have to be “signed” by such people. They will not be permitted to “work with human beings”.

  383. 383
    DNTT says:

    Remind me of something, for I am but a simple prole.

    Which bunch of fucking gobshites got us into this epic fucking mess in the first place?

    Who was on watch? Who allowed some greedy feckless wankers to start handing out insurance on dodgy loans?

    Would that be the same bong-eyed lickspittles that are have been in the cabinet for the past 13 years?

    Don’t waste your time spinning. You’ve all been found out. Traitorous, lying fuckers the lot of you.

    When you and you ilk die I will be pissing on your corpse before it is even cold.

  384. 384
    Mr Ned says:

    “I simply do not understand why anyone, given the current state of play, would be insane enough to vote for a band of fuckwits like UKIP.”

    So what alternative are the tories offering, in terms of policies, as an alternative to labour?

    If you are one of the Wet conservatives who supports further EU integration, politically correct discrimination in law based on gender, race and sexual orientation, tackling climate change, high taxes, large government and a growing public sector. If you are one of those (as Cameron is) then what the fuck difference is there from the current bunch of tossers in labour?

    If you are one of those, then YOU are the reason that the tories are tanking in the polls and that I am voting UKIP.

    The conservatives are NOT offering a conservative agenda anymore.

    When they were doing so 18 months or so ago, they had a 26 point lead in the polls. Since they have been ever more enthusiastically adopting “new-labour lite” policies and following a nakedly shameless Blairite agenda, they have tanked in the polls, even against the most corrupt, disgusting, shameless, appalling, evil, incompetent, inept, cruel, brazen, opportunitic, fuckmuppetful bunch of shitty shittastically shitmongous wankmeisters ever to disgrace the Government benches.

    I cannot believe, that after the proof in front of their eyes, that they cannot understand what is happening. Look at ANY political blog anywhere and it has many comments from UKIP supporters asking WHY has Cameron thrown away a certain landslide victory by abandoning every conservative principle? WHY has he caved in to the Blairite agenda? WHY has he shit on his own core?

    Unlike 1997 when the labour core had nowhere else to go, and being labour supporters, they voted on emotional and personality issues anyway, because most of them are too stupid to understand policies. Unlike them then, the tories today are more rational, and many of us will examine policies, because that IS what we vote on. The personality is secondary. We WILL NOT VOTE FOR BLAIRITE POLICIES! So we DO have somewhere else to go, where we CAN HAPPILY vote for policies we fully and wholeheartedly support.

    Cameron and the brain-dead fuckwits running the tory campaign MUST know this. I cannot believe that they have not worked this much out yet. So the only other reason for the state we are in is that Cameron really, honestly and sincerely does want to lose this election. He would rather see Brown stay in office, than offer his own supporters the policies that they would most like to see, and abandon those fucking useless and cruel policies of labour that is is hanging on to.

    This being the case it really does look like all three main parliamentary parties really are just corporate puppets of a new world order. When Cameron’s view appears to be that it would be better to lose the election to Brown and get global corporatism, than offer our supporters what they want and risk upsetting the international elite banking families.

  385. 385
    English Liberation Front says:

    “I do know I’ve still got my marbles”

    Not from where I’m standing you Marxist shit.

  386. 386
    Marchamont Needham says:

    Dare one mention that PFI was invented by The Blessed Margaret

  387. 387
    DNTT says:

    “don’t bother posting on this blog any more”

    Same old socialists, same old “top-down” state control.

    Fuck off and die.

  388. 388
    Allan@Aberdeen says:

    The despicable plans that Labour and the rest of the LibLabCon Establishment has for the British people are becoming more evident day by day. Although the Establishment set up UKIP as a diversion for real opposition, it was postulated by a contributor at EURef that UKIP acts as a portal to the PNB – a beginner’s level in nationalism. The PNB’s candidate in Bognor Regis is ex-UKIP and this (taken from the PNB’s website) is his concise statement of the greatest ever danger facing us as a people:

    “The window is closing. Within 40 years, we shall become a minority in our ancestral homeland. This is the end game — England is being extinguished.”

    Mr Moffat said he had left UKIP after that party’s leadership had committed itself to “cringing support” for the multicultural society.

    “Culture, heritage, history and tradition are expressions of blood. It follows, therefore, that immigration has been designed to undermine the integrity of the nation,” he said.

    “Britain could remain captive within the EU for 1000 years but our people could always regain their nationhood so long as they retained their integrity as a people.

    “Extirpate the people who comprise the nation, along with their cultural heritage, and it will be impossible to return to our concepts of constitutional democracy, as articulated in such great statements as Magna Carta and the Declaration of Rights.

    “That is because the people who gave expression to them will have ceased to exist. What, therefore, is the point in seeking to restore the integrity of the nation state when, as a result of multiculturalism, the nation within the state will cease to exist in any meaningful form?”

  389. 389
    DNTT says:

    Oi! McFuck!

    You make me laugh so hard I made myself have a little wee.

  390. 390
    DNTT says:

    Scientific Socialism. Hmmm, I know of another organisation that has the very same initials.

    History does repeat itself. The control freaks never learn.

  391. 391
    Anonymous says:

    Win the next election? You’ll be lucky to Come_Fourth.

  392. 392
    Nichts als weg says:

    The Berlin Wall was built to stop the exodus of the skilled and enterprising from the Socialist paradise to the Capitalist exploiters of the West.

    Before 1961 (when the Wall went up) some 6 million had voted with their feet to escape scientific socialism.

    The final ‘Great Escape’ happened in 1989.

  393. 393
    Hold tight.. says:


  394. 394
    Marchamont Needham says:

    every high school in the large city I call home is like that. All rebuilt because they were “unfit for modern teaching”.

    Imagine if we treated our housing stock like that!

  395. 395
    Old Nick Heavenly(really not wishing to upset the hypocrites who feel free to comment upon europe) says:

    Also I have to say that I warned everybody that i knew in 1995 that Great Britney was heading for fascism.

    Nobody was interested, mostly happy that I would leave for good and now you live ib a fascist country you accuse me of cowardice.

    Were you one of the suits who would never applaud when I would bring nutters to order on the tube with DT converted to a millwall brick?

    It is people like me that you need. Tell me when the fight back begins, because I still cannot see it anywhere else but here and with OH!

  396. 396
    Alan Milburn says:

    hope nobody links schlumberger sema, atos origin, and the nice little earner i had with them…oops ….. did i say that out loud ??? how do you erase comments ???

  397. 397
    Marchamont Needham says:

    It was one of the “new” universities founded in the 60’s.

    As the local Tory MP at the time said “we’ve lost a second rate golf course and gained a third-rate university”.

    Academically – it’s excellent.

  398. 398
    Marchamont Needham says:

    which is more than the valuation of BT ha ha!

  399. 399
    barefootcontessa says:

    Yes, that’s gordon all over.

  400. 400
    Anonymous says:

    296 – Agreed its looks like UKIP for me too , I cannot in good conscience , vote for Dave ( unless he grows a spine and listens to the masses )Even if it means Gordo stays.

  401. 401
    Phil says:

    Cameron could not give us a Lisbon vote because Brown had already handed the fucking treaty to Brussels on a plate.
    What an annoying little shit you are Martin day.

  402. 402
    OvertaxedPayor says:

    You too? They changed mine for no apparent reason. No response to my letters and calls yet.

  403. 403
    Taggart says:

    I still wonder why wee alan milburn stood down.I wonder if we”ll ever know.Och the new

  404. 404
    Bastards says:

    To Old Nick.
    I recall the convoy arrests. it was a disgrace. I am glad to hear you now have the life you wanted, and a daughter. Good luck.

  405. 405
    Dogs Handler says:

    uaf uaf getting on your nerves?

  406. 406
    The footpath through the marsh says:

    Even if he does can I take his word?

  407. 407
    Alan Milburn says:

    I did nothing wrong,i didnt break the rules,my family were desperate to see me more often,and even though i was health minister,the contract i awarded to the firm i was a director of was the best value for the tax payer… what about ashcroft !!

  408. 408
    The footpath through the marsh says:

    You seem to have a thing about small penis’s and little girls. I am replying to others who have a real insight and opinion. So why don’t you fuck off back to whatever porn site you inhabit and leave us to make our minds up about who to elect.

  409. 409
    Peasant says:

    I guess you do know that Sam Gyimah has run three companies into administration losing £6.5 million? (Source: Private Eye a month ago.) Or has he kept that rather quiet?

    My point is that the shiny new A-list candidates that Cameron is forcing on us are far more sleazy that the Sir Bufton-Tuftons that they are replacing.

  410. 410
    Phil says:

    You’ll be lucky if your lot comes fourth chum

  411. 411
    Grandma says:

    and we “Go Forth” will have the pleasure of seeing Gordon being forced by the markets into making the biggest cuts ever. We don’t deserve another 5 years of Gordon, but he certainly deserves to try and sort out the mess he’s made of the economy. How long do you think he’ll last – 6 months, 12 months perhaps?

    Incidentally, I’m sorry to have to say that you don’t exactly come over as a very caring person – perhaps you should practise the “caring” bit of your list.

    Kind regards,

  412. 412
    Phil says:

    The only four things that I think most of us would agree on is that Gordon Brown is a thieving,lying,spendaholic, cnut.

  413. 413
    And there was much joy .... says:

    I second Bastards comments.

  414. 414
    Breaking Wind says:

    There is no evidence that any wrongdoing has occurred (2).

  415. 415
    We will fight them on the beaches says:

    You will need serious help, when you wake up the day after election day ……… whomsoever wins!!!!

  416. 416
    Breaking Wind says:

    There is no evidence that any wrongdoing has occurred (3).

  417. 417
    Maundy Gregory says:

    Come on voters don’t forget her she has to be sacked.

    The important point in the above post for the people of Reddich

  418. 418
    Maundy Gregory says:

    Thank you Gordie thank you so very much

  419. 419
    Maundy Gregory says:

    Did the Nat West fail so that it had to be rescued and this partly led to RBS’s failure?

  420. 420
    Lord Gnome says:

    Did the Nat West fail (or was on the way to failing) so that it had to be rescued and this partly led to RBS’s failure?

  421. 421
    Golden Days says:

    I think to remain sane, you have to vote for whoever represents most closely your views.
    As to Brown returning, it’s not such a bad thing. He’ll then have to face the wasteland he has left, hoping the Torie will be hated for their efforts to sort it out. Serve him right. We’re all going to suffer anyway- might as well be clear who is responsible.

  422. 422
    Golden Days says:

    Presumably Walsh wants to run a successful and profitable airline- seems fair motivation to me.
    Unite want to destroy our flag-carrying airline, do they? A very honourable ambition, I’m sure.
    How can one possibly prefer one to the other, Sir BIll?

  423. 423
    Cavanah says:

    And you forgot “global” Alistair D mentioned it millions of times in his rivetting budget speech -some Labour MP’s managed to stay awake -Well done

  424. 424

    […] the blog was heavy on economics: Gordon’s debt fiddles and Brown’s Gold […]

  425. 425
    Gordoom cooks the books says:

    best post i have ever read well said that man you missed harpy`s all women short lists except where her corrupt hubby is concerned and all bliars expense claims were shredded when he left how convienient for him fuck new liebour fuck em all

  426. 426
    Gordoom cooks the books says:

    Don`t get me wrong i am Tory to the core as was my dad and his etc etc (long family tradition of serving in the army too trust me no solider EVER votes Labour thats why Gordoom will not let em vote in Afganistan) anyway back to my point would almost like the twats to win as the 1st thing that would happen is they would sack Gordoom and that would hurt him more than anything just a thought

  427. 427
    giant bee says:

    “Never have so many owed so much to one man”

    You certainly got that right, you prick.

  428. 428
    Anonymous says:

    UKIP are as bad as the rest. That Farage is one creepy mother…

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