Big Brother Bank Accounts
One of the greatest things about Britain was that unlike in most of the world, when a policeman asked you what you were doing you were entitled to tell him it was none of his business. Unless he had good grounds to suspect you of being up to no good you had no obligation to tell him anything. That British sense of the state’s agents being subordinate to free individuals under the rule of law has gone. The state’s assumption is that we are all suspects of some kind.
Guido always nursed a suspicion that ID cards were as much about financial control as anything else. ID cards may have gone off the agenda but now the Tories reportedly plan to have a financial Big Brother sitting in your bank account, automatically deducting taxes as funds arrive from your employer. They are selling it as a way to reduce the red tape burden on small businesses…
If HMRC has an electronic trojan in your bank account it will move on from deducting from your salary to taking a cut of your eBay sales and tracking all your financial transactions. Do you want the government controlling your bank account? That is the ultimate goal of tax collectors the world over since before even the Doomsday Book…
It was always inevitable that some bright spark in a state somewhere would ask for this.
How sad it is, that over the past 40 years of electronic hardware and software development, instead of all this technology liberating individuals from State oppression and surveillance, instead people have queued in droves to sell it to governments.
Big related question
Why did Woods bang such a set of rough looking council-type birds?
Yes I was wondering that too.
I thought he looked quite rough at his press conference – He needs to get out more and wear that lovely Nike clothing
“Yes I was wondering that too.”
I bet you were, using that active imagination of yours.
It’s not really going to work unless they impose a flat tax system and scrap NI, VAT and other levels of tax.
Also, how will they differentiate between dividends, pension, expenses and salary income streams?
Personally, it would be better if they just scrapped tax completely.
Because like Ben Franklin said ‘they don’t, yell, don’t tell (well perhaps they do) and are as grateful as hell (for the money).
What the Black community wants to know is ‘where are the black sheilas?’.
And the Thai community ‘where are the Bangkok birds?’.
The solution’s easy – get a bank account in the Cayman Islands and run your credit card, paypal money and so on through that.
Now that is a good question!
No doubt you caught the hilarious cringing public apology of spectacular arse to elbows Oscar winning performance from “Tiger” although “Pussy Woods” would have been more appropriate in his case.
Despite all this one can’t help feeling he is probably banging his nurse at rehab and when fully cured will no doubt be on the hunt for more upmarket Totty, lets hope so anyway.
A Tiger never changes it’s stripes.
I don’t understand Americans, why does he have to apologise for banging a load of tarts? whats the point of having all that cash if you can’t?
He enjoys getting stuck into the rough!!
Bit ironic considering the Banks were so fucking useless it was we taxpayers who had to bail the incompetent greedy fuckers out
Although it makes a change because for decades the government has been so useless, the banks had to bail it out through tax. The government is still up on the deal.
right said Fred
Dave can go Fuck Off.
The Heir to Blair ain’t getting my vote.
Dave has lost mine too. Dave is about as credible as tony ” lying bastard” blair.
Thanks Derek, you’re on 10p a post now. Keep it up and you’ll get as much as we pay that ugly bag if bile Heffer!
Thanks toryboy, you’re on 5p a post now. Keep it up and you’ll get as much as we pay that clueless camp fuckwit Dale!
Rebutthole, bargain basement Labour crap.
Oi! you lot. All Fawkes offered me was double clubcard points.
AH (C)
but you’re not funny
at all
Do not vote for labour or the tories!!!
Raise awareness of the dangers of a cashless society and go back to using cash for as much as possible.
There once was a time when a bank account was private between you and the bank. Police and Governments were not allowed to even see what was in without your permission or a court order issued as part of a criminal investigation.
People have slowly been persuaded that their “money” is not really theirs and that it is OK for others to have possession of it, and for those others then to give others access to it.
The ONLY money you ever have possession of now, is the foldable and chinking sort of cash that you can put in your pocket. The powers that be globally are working to slowly eradicate this cash. Greece are being ordered to outlaw cash transactions over 1,500
This alleged tory plan is a communist’s wet dream, and not any old wet dream, but the kind where you are being blown by 3 gorgeous women and wake up to find that it is real and another three are joining in!
I have been warning people of this sort of thing for years. saying that the globalist banker’s long plan was to remove any value from money, increase the amount of it massively, control the supply of it and control everyone’s access to it and take ownership of it ALL away from “the people” to be able to control what people can and cannot do.
There are some that claim that this is the anti-christ’s work.
I am not religious and do not buy into that in any way, but when you read revelations and see that you will need the mark of the beast to perform trade and make transactions in the end times, and then we see ourselves heading in the direction of a cashless society, and that our entitlement to trade will rest on a computer chip, with which third parties (government) can intervene electronically to block any or all transactions. Then the next step would be to have these chips implanted, (for our safety, they could not be lost then) and then we would have a mark, without which trade would be impossible, then this is beginning to look like that.
The Current Labour/Tory duopoly is making these religious nutcases look very prescient indeed.
I am not religious and do not buy into that in any way, but when you read revelations
What is your point fuckwit?
Can you not fucking read? I DO NOT buy into it. END OF FUCKING STORY BY THE WAY. I had religion forced down my throat for years growing up, I DO NOT BUY IT!! NO SALE! FUCK OFF!!!
What pisses me off is when these religious nutters who drag up ‘revelations’ and the mark of the beast, and ALL THAT SHITE! and now the powers that be ARE MAKING THESE NUTTERS LOOK SANE!
You twat!
I used to revel in stating that David Icke was a nutcase. But more and more of what he has predicted has come true. Not the lizard shite OBVIOUSLY! but the powers that be are making people like him look sane for fucks sake!
I used to revel in stating that David Icke was a nutcase. But more and more of what he has predicted has come true.
He is a nutcase and so are you
you gibbering mad foaming at the mouth c.unt
Tin Foil is rabid.
Ignore.
The only reason that Governments introduced money laundering regulations was to increase the yield on their Tax Harvest. Everyone knows that Terrorist organisations have their very own financing conduits. These are left alone.
No mention of Western Union being regulated in such a manner.
There is something going on, and unless you travel it is very hard to see the concerted movements by all Western Governments being well orchestrated.
Like packs of ciggies, why do they now all have the same warnings, typeface, font sizes and illustrations? even outside the EU.
the chip already exists
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/positive_id/
Now called PositiveID, the new company is a merger between VeriChip and Steel Vault, the people behind NationalCreditReport.com.
With a human-implantable microchip maker now running a credit-scoring and identity-theft-protection website, privacy activists are worried again. “The attraction to investors is the potential for synergies,” says Mark Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. “You have to anticipate over time there will be an attempt to integrate the services.”
“Sci-fi wise, you could have a chip read by a scanner that determines your credit-worthiness,” says Evan Hendricks, editor of Privacy Times. “Or you could have a credit card implant.”
Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/12/positive_id/#ixzz0g4NgnqdU
For the umpteenth fuckin time Its the Book of “REVELATION” not “Revelations plural”!!!!!!!!!!
Who gives a fuck, it is a fucking fairy tale based on a mistranslation from another mistranslation from earlier mistranslations of of earlier fables about some fuckwit’s hallucination!
Now the powers that be are acting in a way that allows the bible bashers cause to state the end times are here!
Look at the zionist-christians in America banging the drum for the rapture and promoting an Israeli lead world war three to usher in the second coming and have all the Jews converted or killed?
We should not be encouraging these people and the GLOBAL “powers that be” (of which our labour and conservative parties are mere willing puppets) are making all that shite look like it might come true!!!
FFS!
Can see it coming, Mr. Ned. A subcutaneous implant in our hand that could just be scanned. And it would be sold to us, like ID cards as being for our convenience. No more cards that could get lost or stolen or numbers forgotten or pinched. The banks and insurance companies would insist on it from a security aspect. After all, ” you don`t want your money nicked, do you ? “.
And then what other information could this chip contain ? Am no techie so I couldn`t pronounce on the development of the technology needed but we could possibly leapfrog cards altogether and go on to implants.
And with Plod and every other state funded jobsworth down to the council pooperscoopers carrying a reader to scan us whenever they feel so inclined. ” Smith, W, 6079 ! You live one hundred meters outside your daughter`s school catchment area. Your fraudulent application is voided. An on the spot fine of five hundred ( fill in future currency of choice ) and three days attendance at a social re education centre “.
Too early for a Victory Gin ?
Forget all this chip rubbish, they are working on DNA detectors, there will be no escape!
Before the Government gets its theiving hands on my hard earned dosh its first of all got to get past my wife!. As they say used to say in Donegal “When you’re married your pound is only worth fifty pence. Mind you I dont even get that rate of exchange.
No looks like Dave will snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. I gave up on his crowd years ago UKIP for me.
all dressed up as global solutions for global problems. Anti-terrorism, track the money flowing from account to account and of course sold by the left to stop rich people exploiting loop holes in the tax system.
This is so serious we need more information as to whether it’s simple Tory-bashing. Can we have background details, please, with an idea of whether they come from a reliable source?
Reading between the lines, I can imagine politicians banking offshore and avoiding any tax altogether, then perhaps we should all bank offshore.
Yep, UKIP for me too now. Thanks for helping me to make up my mind.
Won’t work if you insist on cash in hand
Thanks Jonty, and remember to send a token sum to the grandads in UKIP. We’re broke, but they haven’t got a penny.
Thanks Winterton, and remember to send a token sum for the oiks who don’t travel everywhere first class. We’re relying on a dodgy tax dodger for our cash.
Flushed the real Lab trolls out. Good work. Poor riposte ‘Tory HQ’ sub student level.
Flushed the real Tory trolls out. Jolly super work. shit comeback ‘Labour HQ’ sub-mental level.
New tactic, copy your betters
Stupid Labour.
Old tactic, expose inferior mindless partisan wankers for what they are
Fuckwitted Conservative.
In Greece now all transactions over 1500 Euros must be by card, bank transaction etc. NO MORE CASH IN HAND or you get banged up.
While in Germany the locals won’t accept any euro note that hasn’t been minted by the Bundesbank (all notes have a country of origin code)!
And back here in the land of the “Brown Terror” never a truer word was spake by Hefferlump in the Telegraph today:
“Judging by the rubbish that he (Brown) now routinely spouts – whether lies or delusion I do not know – he should be forced to produce a certificate proving his sound state of mental health before being allowed to stand for election: as should anyone who intends to vote for him. ”
Finish off the gormless McGit Mr F.
It will be interesting to see how Gordy and the gang react to this announcement. My suspicion is that they have a similar,but more ambitious scheme up their own sleeve that will move us towards a cashless economy where they can monitor and tax every transaction other than primitive bartering. All part of a future fucked for all in which any taxpayer that can will make for the exit.
I’ve been having a look at the UK Payments Council. Amongst the other things they have been tasked to review are the place of cheques and cash in transactions.
Cheque guarantee cards are going this year or next, and they are finishing cheques by 2018. One can easily guess what will happen to cash!
The banks have been in bed with the taxman for some time, thanks to the Proceeds of Crime Act. When you pay a large amount of money into your account now, the bank clerk will ask you where the money came from. ‘None of your fucking business’ is no longer an acceptable answer, apparently.
Mores the Pity
Thank you so much for those comments
I have repeatedly said I am doing my utmost to lose the next General Election for the Conservatives.
My latest wheeze is rather good
Right I’ll get my coat
Apart from the anger at the intrusion, is the real concern that they will cock it up completely.
Exactly. And getting the money back would be a nightmare.
If they want to collect taxes using modern technology that is fine. The ideal way would be for the tax man to have a computer link to the employer and for the tax to be collected immediately before payment. But this would only be suitable for large companies as I would imagine the costs would be excessive for small businesses. Allowing the tax man to monitor and collect taxes from a private bank account is totally unaceprable. Dave is NOT thinking straight.
“Dave is not thinking straight” The man is obviously a raving communist Hoon hellbent on destrouing our every freedom. Try checking out UKIPS angle on such matters. You dont get any of this crap from them!!
Human Rights?
Bill of Rights?
Bugger All Rights
DAVE CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF NOW AND I REALLY REALLY FUCKING MEAN IT.THIS HAS MADE MY MIND UP- I HAD RESERVATIONS ABOUT DAVE- BUT WAS WILLING TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE.NOW HES BLOWN IT FOR REAL.I WAS ONLY GOING TO VOTE TORY BECAUSE OF LABS CONTROL FREAKERY-NOW WE KNOW THERES NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO MAIN PARTIES.I’M STAYING AT HOME ON POLLING DAY IF THAT MEANS LABOUR GET BACK IN -GOOD-AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT WERE GETTING WITH THEM.
THIS JUST PROVES DAVES AS OUT OF TOUCH AS LABOUR AND DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE ELECTORATES RIGHT OF PRIVACY…………………..FUCK RIGHT OFF DAVE NOW I HOPE YOU LOSE THE ELECTION.
Not a DC fan, then?
Not anymore this decision by Dave and Co is proof positive that our political class have no respect whatsoever for the privacy of the electorate.None.Well in return I have no respect for them.I’m staying home polling day.Let the chips fall where they may…even if abstaing lets Lab get back in….I couldn’t care less anymore.Dave thinks because people desperately want to see the back of Labour we’ll put up with anything from him.Wrong Dave, very wrong.
staying at home on polling day. Yes let the chips fall, another would be to hit them where it hurts and vote for the party which we cannot mention.
indeed – a protest of “I am staying at home – so there” – is pretty fucking pathetic. If you really want to stick it to them, vote for the party that must not be mentioned – I am sorely tempted to go that way – and I have voted Tory in a safe LibDem seaty for many years. But now I realise there is no sense in that – if you want to protest dot it properly !
A future fucked for all…
I got up early to post that! Beat me to it
A fucked future for all……..
Could be a motto for all three establishment parties:
“Lab/Con/Lib: Fucking your future – today!”
brilliant !
The early worm catches the bird.
Look, I know this is OT but I really want to share this with you asap, because it is the right thing to do.
Whilst telling some fairy stories to my wee bairn last night, my election slogan came to me in a flash of brilliant light.
“Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all.” …….. Or does that need some reworking do you think? How about “Fairness for the many not the few.” ?
It’s not as easy as it appears, is it? Don’t worry, I’m sure to crack it before I need to declare an election date.
From LabourList…
“I read this first as “A fun fair for all”…
Interesting choice of words. Gets across the idea of equality, fairness and justice without saying that under Labour the equality divide has apparently widened massively.”
Give the Plebs a circus that will distract them I think even the make believe patricians would be distracted, another war somewere else give them chance to wave the pariotic flag anyone not waving a flag will be noted.
How about “Future ? What future ? We’re doomed !”
How about “A Future Fit for Fuck All”
“Debt for all” Regardless of whether you contributed to it. There job dpne!
The thieving fuckers will have a job getting any taxes from me when i’m in the Phillipines.
unless any of your income is paid into a UK bank. Aye, there’s the rub.
It will be earning tax free interest in a non UK bank.
SERIOUS COMMENT WARNING!! Why cant we all have several different identities. Who is the state to tell us we can only constitute one legal entity. If they want to bugger us about lets get our retaliation in first!!
hmmmm – that’s an interesting concept – we all have different entities on line – so why not different tax liabilities etc……?
Spain, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Portugal ????
No I meant as individuals!!
I’ll take my pay in cash then
Pay cash in hand and you can get a discount. No receipt, no VAT.
Start taking your wages out immediately cancel Direct Debits and stop standing orders and the banks and pay bills by cash. Cash at the shops gets the 3% discount they pay to the card companies and you will be quids in.
No easy current accounts means the banks have to pay up for funds and treat customers better or lose out.
Bring control back, if we all do it then it will work
YUP, unfortunately most people do not even consider that they are losing control of their money, they only see the “convenience” of letting others dip in to their accounts when they feel like it.
“I am paying all my bills without even having to go to the effort of even having a single neuron firing. I don’t have to think about it at all. I remember the days in the past when I had to walk around the high street every week with several ‘paying in’ books handing over my cash. I had to go to the British Gas shop, and then up to the Norweb shop and then the Radio-rentals shop for the TV rental and then I had to remember to fill out slips on the water rates, and the housing rates and telephone bills and write out cheques and go to the post-box to post them off. It is much easier today!”
Fuckwits!
I still go to the local Tax station aka as the petrol staion everyweek and I dont even get a big wet kiss from Gordon to say thankyou!
How utterly revolting, you must be a glutton for punishment.
For many years now petrol stations here in Germany have often been lovingly referred to as “Außendienststelle des Finanzamt” – which could be loosely translated as “Tax Office Field Station”.
Politicians in “Controlling the Little People” Shocker!!
A spokesperson said “The Little People are too stupid to cope without us ruining, er I mean running their lives for them.”
Harperson is on the box defending the word ‘fair”.
Not doing a very good job. Silly cow.
I hope she follows the official campaign line – “Whatever you do don’t mention our record in government !!”
I love the new slogan (although strangely I already can’t remember it) – something about fairness for all….. Oh yes, on the back of that I’ll be voting for Jonah
Have they conveniently forgotten that they have made the rich richer, the poor poorer, and got the middle classes to fund all their shit ideas and huuuuuuuuuge state?
Let me think about that for a while
just saw her on sky tv, that cu nt Roberts (shitty suppoerter) is a rabid Labour supporter gives her and all the rest a very easy time.
It is time these presenters divulged in an act of transparency who they vote and support.
“It is time these presenters divulged in an act of transparency who they vote and support.”
Isn’t this already patently obvious in most interviews now, particularly those conducted by the BBC? And I can still clearly remember the “we” used by James Smug-McNaughtie when interviewing some NuLiebour waste-of-space at the last election.
Labour.
Apart from Clarkson, Ken Barlow and Carol Voderperson
the public hates fair
that’s why they love seeing piggy MPs and bankers stealing our money
Harriet Dromney is really a bit dim when all is said and done. Always looks like a startled Rabbit caught in headlights when she gets put under a bit of pressure. Not really leadership material at all. In fact I’d go so far as to say she has only got as far as she has because of her connections.
Say what you mean. Harridan is THICK!
Anyone erm notice erm her poor erm performance um at Parliament um when presenting a um report erm and even erm included the um words blah blah at the end?
FFS did I did rage at the TV when she wasn’t challenged on the ‘fairness’ of her husband being shoehorned in for the PPC at Erdington.
“Labour future fair for all” = “froufrou burial, after all”
Debt for all! What could be fairer than that.
I despair at the Conservatives sometimes. They’re rapidly becoming as bad as Labour for wanting to control everything.
Freedom may be largely an illusion these days, but a sense of freedom from the state is a powerful and liberating feeling. I’m sure entrepreneurship and innovation would suffer with more state control over our lives.
It’s pretty clear that the Cameroons are determined to lose the coming election.
Vote Monster Raving Loony. It makes more sense every day.
LO: you are correct. Not content with wavering a paltry 9 points ahead of the worst government we have ever had, Camoron sits down and thinks of new reasons for people to hate him.
“If HMRC has an electronic trojan in your bank account it will move on from deducting from your salary to taking a cut of your eBay sale”
And any cheque you might get for your birthday.
Cameron is a total, utter fuckwitted tosser. If he’s like this now, when he should be going all-out to get our votes, what the fuck would the little twerp be like if he won?
It is a very depressing thought.
I passionately hate labour with every single sub-atomic particle of my being in every part of every dimension of every universe. But I have to say, I see very very little that would suggest that Cameron would be any better. In some areas the tories could be even worse.
They are both hurtling down the same path to totalitarianism. The tories campaign against Big Brother a couple of years ago was NOT against Big Brother in general, just against labour’s inefficient, bloated and incompetent version of it.
The tories want a sleeker, more efficient Big Brother state That costs them less to implement!
I am definitely voting UKIP!
Can we put you down as a maybe then ?
Mr Ned What a splendid fellow you are. Us UKIPS must not forget to vote early and often!! Dave is a complete Moron. I remember a few years ago he was banging on about introducing a carpark tax for people who use supermarket carparks ( REMEMBER THAT ONE) when it comes to F*** witted ideas and the Tories “They haven’t gone away you know” In a strange way I despise them more than Labour. As Tony Hancock said in the Blood donor sketch. “Are you a conservative?
Yes “Then kindly behave like one”.
The Tories are like the Hapsburgs(sorry I of course meant Bourbons)they learn nothing and forget nothing
Time we all became like the Jammie Tax Dodgers.
I always thought Brown was a custard cream short of being the full barrel of biscuits.
I just thought he was fuckin’ crackers.
How does he get rid of the crumbs?
Purnell and other Blarites eventually disintegrate into mould on the side
Except for the younger “third way” Blairites, fresh out of Common Purpose graduate courses and standing for election as Conservative candidates, I kid you not!
I always pefer a Battenberg.
On the subject of Big Brother here’s an idea for Gordons free laptops for the chavs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8523807.stm
Cheaper to just give them the £50 they will get for it when they flog it for booze and fags.
So, what’s “engaging in improper behaviour in his home”"?
Shagging a Big Mac
Smoking.
Drinking more than the Government recommends.
Criticising Government members or policy.
Making any remark prejudicial to the human rights of any minority, (gays, blacks, women, muls*ms.
Eating food proscribed by the Chief medical Officer.
Failing to be sufficiently hateful of the State’s enemies.
Failing to be sufficiently supportive of the State’s allies.
Failing to switch off lights or wash at 30 degrees.
and so on; ad infinitum.
Obvious who the chavs are here.
“Let me tell you how it will be
There’s one for you, nineteen for me
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah,
I’m the taxman
Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don’t take it all
Cos I’m the taxman, yeah,
I’m the taxman
If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat
If you get too cold, I’ll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet
Taxman! Cos I’m the taxman, yeah,
I’m the taxman…”
George Harrison 1966
A Future Fare Increase for all.
The only way this could work is for public sector employees and state pension payments & benefits. Where I suggest a special account is held in a non commercial bank.
For companies special TAX PAYE accounts could work and reduce red tape.
It would have to be for special bank accounts held and probably through a state bank
For private sector workers, private individuals this is a no go, so a refined strategy I would support.
As Frank Carson would say’ it’s teh way you say it!
I will be self employed on 7 May and my money isn’t going anywhere near the UK Government. I’ve seen what they do with it!
No lads, please understand this is the sort of thing we despise New Labour for. We want you to roll back the surveillance state not fucking well build on it!!!!
Otherwise many people would wonder why bother changing governments? Please tell me you can see that?
They are all communists. Vote UKIP!
Sting’s Beard, UKIP is a fake setup by labour and tories to suck in folks too stupid to see it.In the last, how many years, what has ukip done to get us out of the maelstrom of theft called the bastard EU? The party you need is the unmentionables. The ONLY British party which is not a bunch of fucking traitors.
Don’t I already have my tax deducted under PAYE? This is simply spying to generate a transaction log for the state of every individuals financial activity without all that boring warrant business.
Any chance of an independent judiciary doing its job for a change?
Is tha tax deducted from the individual’s bank account or from the employer’s account at the point of payment?
see my post number 15 it could worek for councils and companies opaying staff through PAYE
If they do it for public sector and PAYE and through a state bank then it would cut red tape and not affect us. I think Guido has jumped on this but has not thought it through or got the full sp
Steady on now old chap, there are duck houses, moats and bell towers to pay for one knows. All we learned from last summers hiccup was how to hide them better – the loot is coming our way no matter how much the commoners in standard class wriggle.
They will continue to get away with sinister measures like this all the time we have an H of C that is full of supine and self-interested MPs who steadfastly refuse to get off their fat arses and hold the executive to account. If they did so with the same fervour and devotion that they apply to their expenses claims we might start to make some progress.
The Mother of Parliaments? Democracy? It’s a complete sham now.
Don’t worry, it’s not going to happen.It is unrealistic and unworkable.
“A future f@cked for all”
I am in despair. I am a life long Tory voter and am totally underwhelmed by the policy announcements they have made so far. No way is anyone putting Trojan spyware in my bank account or am I ever carrying an ID card. HMRC already have draconian powers. They do not need another.
In the last few weeks I have have been putting in place plans to leave the country with my young family for another English speaking nation that does not have captal gains tax, sensible income tax and is law abiding, good public education system. Lovely place to live too. If there is a hung Parliament or the Tories remain as weak willed as they seem then I will be off – as will many others. Its going to be like the 1970s in this country for the next decade and Cameron is no Thatcher.
Thanks For your views Mike Naylor
you’re probably right, this place is beyond saving. The 20,000 death tax would be the nail in the coffin (no pun intended) – 20,000 to start with, who knows what it will rise to when it matters.. I see no problem with choosing to pay insurance – but a straight tax (on top of the current estate duty) is something else.
memo to Mr. David Cameron:
if you want to save the taxpayers money and balance the Government’s books whilst removing the stranglehold on the state, close every Quango and cancel every PFI contract. It will hurt, but think of the money you save, the luvvies you chop down in their prime, and the corruption that you eliminate.
Hear! Hear!
While you are at it, withold EU payments and close down the DFID.
It appears that the Liebour disease is spreading, great care is needed there is no antidote to this virulent vicious disease, it first first appeared in 2 men in th 1990′s (I think B’Liar and Brown of McDoom) in appears to change its form (a bit like Aids with knobs on) it is extremely contageous, be careful out there, once bitten there is no andidote, anyone can be affected.
I can think of several antidotes. They come in various sizes; .25, .303, .45, 7.62, 9, etc. ………….
yup – my thoughts are going that way – wait …there’s someone at the door……………
Peter Mandelson says: “I’m taking a long hard look at The Conservatives Wee Dougies packet”
Ooooh …………… Me too.
“A future fair for all”
Does this mean that we can all expect a fair to arrive in our town in the coming months?
I love dodgems!
I love shooting the ducks.
I reckon it a stealth tax – ‘a future fare for all’
” A future fair for all
” This is so obvious! Gordon will implement measures that all Asylum seekers and immigrants etc. Will have to pay back all benefits that have received and made little or no contribution to. Its such a “fair” policy and thank God we’ve got good old Gordon who will see to it that its implemented!!
What a fucking disgrace!
Meanwhile, the lying thieving lazy worthless trash in the public sector won’t even disclose their massive salaries and obscene pensions to the public.
And on top of that, the worthless retarded corrupt fuckers have awarded themselves a 15% pay-rise this year ( http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/159402/15-pay-rise-for-council-bosses ).
Has anybody got the vaguest idea what the worthless fucking filth in local councils do?
Local councils should be abolished, and all public sector workers should be minced up and fed to pigs.
Steady on there. Pigs are lovely creatures and don’t deserve to be subjected to such contamination.
all nurses, doctors, firemen, police, army, teachers ‘should be minced up and fed to pigs.’
but where will you go to treat your screaming insanity ?
Hello dad.
MI5 and the Army were going to oust Wilson in a coup. Why can`t they carry it through this time, against CaMoron if need be. For any army brass who might be reading – Go on, just do it!
Great stuff from twee twerp Alexander – “A future fucked for all”. For god’s sake rid us of these Scots prats.
anyone else get a stiffy watching the Swedish curling team – miniskirts in curling??
…and that’s just the men.
….and the thighs on those women skiers!
Bloody terrifying under that spray-on Lycra.
I was in a club last night when a girl came up to me with her tits out & said “Fancy a dance, 20 quid?”.
I said “To be honest i’m not really much of a mover, but I could do with the money”.
Brilliant new slogan from New Labour for their election campaign:
A FUTURE FUCKED FOR ALL
” A future as unfair as the past “
Gordon has asked me to mention on Guido’ blog that today is his birthday.
He thanks all posters for their good wishes on this happy day
May this be your last.
Has anyone noticed how Brown is stealing a march on the Tories by starting the election campaign without actually announcing the day of the election?
Brown and his shills at the BBC and the rest of the media have already started their campaign to trick, demonise, and rubbish the Tories while extolling the supposed virtues of Labour (without mentioning their record, of course)
Every day brings another ‘major’ speech from Brown, another smear against the Tories, or some other form of electioneering.
I can’t remember any previous government coming anywhere near the dishonesty, underhandedness, and cynicism of Brown’s Labour.
I suppose that’s what you get when sociopaths like Brown, Mandelson, and Campbell are in charge.
call me Dave has a mouth and CCHQ doesn’t he?
Perhaps he should think about using them and fighting the campaign too.
Most of what the Tories say and do doesn’t get reported on the biggest media outlet in Britain, ie the BBC, or if it does it is greeted with sneering and ridicule by the BBC reporterl and the Labour oaf invited on to attack it.
Yes, the BBC is just a huge properganda machine for new Labour and its commentators wield huge power and happily, and unchecked, promote their prujudices at every opportunity.
The fact that it is a given the today show and newsnight etc are staunchly left wing and proudly so seems to be some sort of BBC establishment acceptance that its perfectly all right to bash the tories, avoid any searching questions to the government spokesmen and reduce genuine discussion to poorly managed exchanges heavily weighted towards labour, no matter how absurd their posturing is. No democracy, just disgrace.
The Tory Party should instigate a full scale public investigation NOW of BBC news and current affairs political corruption and make the neccessity of cleaning up British politics and BBC programmers political bias a matter of public scrutiny. Come on Dave, put that on the posters! You can do it, but you just don’t seem to have the people around you who have the guts to do it.
And another thing! I chanced to listen to The News Quiz at 6.30 last night. 30 minutes of pure tory bashing and snidery about Cameron. Nothing remotely funny, just a purely political opportunity to get away with tory bashing. No jokes about Gordon of course, no balance, so normal that nobody takes any notice of it.
When oh when in tory HQ is someone going to get a grip? Don’t any of you know how to fight?
what a pathetic whiny little cun’t
grow a fucking pair and take responsibility instead of blaming everything on the big bad BBC. Waahhh WAAAHHH WAAAHHHH!! Boo fucking hoo!
you have no idea what a humourless twatty little shitsmear you sound
Yes, I heard that News Quiz too. Par for the course, especially when Jeremy Hardy is on – he’s the one I think whose contract ought to be terminated: too much preaching, too few funnies.
Most of the others’ contributions were, I thought, fair game. Let’s face it, the Tories are not immune from making asses of themselves and should inspire a few jokes.
However, I agree wuth your general thrust – the Beeb is full of public-sector types who have never had to produce a P&L result in a competitive market in their sheltered lives. (I used to have dealings with them in a former incarnation and they are incapable of reform.)
Another vote winner from cast iron tally ho and his chortling Eton chums – let them loot our bank accounts directly rather than indirectly.
Great Idea!
But only if it’s tested on MPs first with every thieving expenses claim deducted from their bank accounts immediately. They might soon lose their enthusiasm after that.
Electing a Tory government is opting for “business as usual.” We need to hang Parliament.
Are there enough lamposts around parliament square? – maybe set up some wheels on the green for the worst?. Perhaps some quangocrats should be elevated in Whitehall?
Labour or Conservative its the same – both are in league with the Progressives its Marx by evolution not revolution
So, we go lightly on the Tories in their first 100 days in power and if things aren’t changing for the better, we go about fucking them up, with the clear understanding that it is the system that needs fucking up because Labour can never be allowed back into power. Do CCHQ realise this is now 2010 and the power at the disposal of motivated plebs via technology is order of magnitudes greater than it was under Major?
Glenn Beck translates very well into English – swap ‘Progressive’ for ‘Fabian/CommonPurpose’, ‘Rep’ for ‘Con’ and ‘Dem’ for ‘Lab’ (Red Blue)- the parallels are obvious. Plus, the establishment hate him so much he must be doing something right. Watch him to annoy them.
watchglennbeck.com.
Everything is going perfectly to plan.
Simples,
Sergei Kremlinski
My wife and I are going to the future fair today, should be good, don’t want to get browned off though.
NuLav propoganda is working: see how many posters imply a “vote for Dave”? Welcome to the first President of Airstrip One. We don’t vote for Dave, we vote for the person on the list in the constituency where we live, and as I don’t live in Witney, I won’t be voting for him.
But, anyway, I am now a fully signed up member of the club that believes “Dave” wants to lose this election, just. Someone has told him what is hidden in the books. Or what Gordoom has signed up for on our behalf. Or both. Maybe he has worked out that those nice people from the Environment Agency are not Civil Servants after all, just Quangoistas coining it like there is no tomorrow in (maybe) the biggest Quango of them all.
So, in essence, anybody who disagrees with Gorgon Brown is a paranoid schizophrenic?
Well, thanks for clearing that up.
In essence anyone deranged enough to think the Leader of a Political Party wants to lose an election is a paranoid schizophrenic.
Are you simple or just another lunatic ?
General election 2010: Gordon Brown launches Labour’s Operation Fightback
Here it is:-
Operation Fightback is a slogan stolen from Nick Griffin’s party
LOL
Three Liebour MPs, Elliot Morley, David Chaytor and Jim Devine have been charged over their expense claims. The Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer outlined the charges.
Gordon brown put his second london home in his wife’s name so he doesn’t have to pay cgt. Fairness for all.
Conservative Lord Hannningfield has been charged over his expenses claims.
Osborne was caught fiddling the numbers for his expense claims.
Multimillionaire David Cameron had the largest expenses claims for the taxpayer to pay his second home mortgage of almost any MP and had Wisteria cleaned from his chimney at the taxpayers expense.
Fairness for all.
A minister who submitted £20,000 in expenses for repairs to his roof and bell tower today dismissed the row over his claims as a ‘joke’.
In comments that risk reigniting the furore over his expenses, Quentin Davies insisted he had not done ‘anything remotely wrong’.
The defence minister was incredulous when asked if he had considered stepping down after his claims were revealed when documents were made public last week.
‘You must be absolutely joking,’ he said. ‘There’s absolutely nothing remotely that I have done wrong and nobody has ever suggested I have. This whole thing is a joke.’
Mr Davies’ claim for his £5million 18th century mansion was revealed last week, when the most recent expenses claims by MPs were published by the Commons.
He put in an invoice for £20,700 for roof repairs, including the bell tower, on his country home, in December 2008, telling officials to work out how much he could be repaid.
But after the expenses scandal broke last May, he he rushed to clarify to officials that he had never wanted the money for the bell tower.
By this time he had received £5,376.91 towards the work – the maximum allowed – so he did not need to write the letter, unless he wanted to pre-empt similar criticism.
His claim led to staff at the Ministry of Defence greeting each other with the phrase ‘ding dong’, but left the public with renewed disgust at Parliament.
this would be the Conservative MP for 20 years Quentin Davies ?
moron
a possible replacement for Heath Ledger’s roll in Batman
The last thing we need is the state inspecting our bank accounts by robot:
1. Buying packets of fags from your local supermarket? No healthcare for you, when you develop smoking-related health issues!
2. Buying ‘too much’ booze from your local off license? No treatments for you, when you develop liver problems!
3. Donating money to political pressure groups? Strip search for you, everytime you fly!
If this story turns out to be true, Dave’s recent talk at TED about the post-bureaucratic age rings hollow and the Tories will never get my vote. So where’s the Libertarian party in this country that can take social liberalism from the LIbDems and fiscal conservatism from the Tories and run with it?!
The UK Libertarian Party get less votes than the monster raving loony Party.
We are looking forward to our honours.
I’ve got 3 big brothers. Does that help?
” LET OPERATION FARTBACK BEGIN ! – BROWN’S BROKEN BRITAIN ! “
Coming next week is El Gordo’s real take on election campaigning: Operation Brokeback.
The government deducting money directly from my bank account, fantastic! I mean what could possibly go wrong? Presumably messrs. Crappe, Shite and Tardy will be writing the program for this as the custom in these things.
What about those of us who live in our overdrafts? Technicaly they would be taking the banks money rather than mine!
Also, multiple bank accounts will be handy for the self employed (for when you are not stuffing wads of £20s in the sock draw, remember trademen: Cash is tax free!)
If the Tories really stand for leaner and more efficient Government, they will not adopt such a scheme, as it results in HMRC having to process twelve transactions per year per employee (monthly paid workers) or fifty-two times more transactions per worker (weekly paid). The present PAYE system offloads this complexity on to businesses as unpaid tax collectors.
The idea I suppose is that it frees up valuable time for small business owners, but since these are the country’s most efficient workers, it makes no economic sense to pass this work to bloated bureaucracies in banks or HMRC, no matter how clever the computer programmers think they are.
The way to help small businesses is through direct cash, such as abolishing the Employers National Insurance Surcharge (tax on jobs), or allowing small businesses to retain profits without being taxed.
I rented out a part of my industrial property last year (having been charged 100% empty property rates the year before) to try to make ends meet.
This year my accountants inform me the profits from the rental are classed as ‘investment income’ and cannot be set against a loss in my main business. I could lose money but still have tax to pay?
One rule for them, another rule for knobs like us
Flipping heck! I always thought that Tiger Woods was supposed to be a good looking African-American dude. Saw him on TV for the first time yesterday. He’s nothing of the sort. What an ugly bug-eyed fucking twat he looks.
I’m so very sorry – I got caught
The bug eyes are from having too much sex
He’s had a very exhausting time.
His nuts must resemble a couple of dried up sultana’s.
ee’s dat coloured bloke inne ?
Why worry about a Tory proposal?
They wont be in Government to implement their ideas, so why get exercised?
Don’t mention our record in power, Labour orders election activists
vote for this man
obviously making sure he still gets his benefits.
My first political memory is of playing in Chalfont Road Liverpool as a five-year-old and hearing that Labour had won the !945 Election. I new I had to feel upset.
Like many on here I and my wife have been life-long Tory Members, Workers and avid supporters and now feel cast aside. We are white, heterosexual average middle-class folk, anti-Europe, anti-Forced Immigration and generous tax-payers, living in a Liberal stronghold and for the first time are considering it not worthwhile voting.
One of the many traits of this last government which annoys me most, is the launching of ideas without thinking them through. It appears the Tories are set to do the same. Surely CCOffice could appoint a pannel of Devils’ Advocates to examine all proposals for the downsides BEFORE launching them on the public. This proposal is obviously on the road to becoming a ” Poll Tax”.
With luck I’ll be able to vote in 2 or 3 more General Elections and would love to vote for a party called ” Old Tory”………Is it too much to ask?
Yes. This is what G K Chesterton wrote.
“The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of the Conservatives is to prevent the mistakes from being corrected.”
The Conservatives will do what it says on the tin, they will conserve whatever is left for them.
Austerity for all…..A vote for the Comservatives is a wasted vote
….that should scare off al voters thinking of voting Tory
“Austerity for all.”
I thought we already had that you fucking twat.
Prosperity for all us CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS
I SAVED THE WORLD YOU KNOW, I DID , I DID……
get the white coats
[...] as Guido points out, there are serious privacy issues here. The State has the right to take you to court to force you [...]
Next thing you know they’ll be banging you up for not paying a levy to own and watch a TV.
Ow Guido,
What is the Doomsday Book if I may ask a foleish question?
From my reading of the article there is no snooping on your bank account involved. By putting NI numbers with the payment when the employer makes it, the banking system does the collecting for the Treasury rather than the Employer.
I would not like to ponder how insecure this will be.
It is in no way any less insidious in that the State still stands between us and our earnings though. If they want to tax OUR income they should only ever ask US to pay it. All they need to do that is know what your employer has paid you.
Since the payment must be tagged as GROSS PAY, your bank then knows exactly how much you are being paid.
Suppose the Government then increases your income tax rate. The bank can then downgrade you credit rating AUTOMATICALLY,
Gordon Brown to announce fun fairs for all?
I just love going on the dodgems and having a go at the coconut shy – will they be appearing at local towns and when?
I am so excited.
Now,back to my telescopic sight and those crutches that are really a high powered rifle…..
They confiscated my Walking Stick .410, covered in crocodile skin with gold fittings.
ZNL also stopped providing The Armed Forces with decent guns and gave them to the police……………I think it’s called insurance.
Frankly as a Conservative voter at heart I find the notion of any insurgence into my bank account an invasion too far! Something I will make very clear indeed to anyone that asks and Facebook the thing to death. There are some places no one should be permitted to enter – we’re already just a bred simply to pay taxes in my view.
Anyone ever noticed how they always go on about ‘working age’ etc? Perhaps if we taxed less we wouldn’t need so many departments to give it back in benefits, allowances et el!
Gordon has already plundered your savings through low interest rates and rising inflation, not to mention how he’s fucked your pension, so why worry?
I think that your desire that your Bank Account is private is a simple delusion
Various agencies already have the legal right under statute to pry into your account should they choose- The police under a Court Order ;the DWP under statute and the Tax Authorities under the Income Tax Act 1952(variously amended) have always had the right to request information from your bank(who has to comply and is not required to inform you or seek your permission either before doing so and in fact are expressly ordered NOT to do so)In the case of Money Laundering and Terrorism the Banks are required by law to advise the authorities of any suspicions(incl large unexplained “out of character”cash transactions) and are also required under threat of imprisonment NOT to advise you that they have either(this has been in place for decades)and clerks,managers etc are PERSONALLY liable should they not comply(not the employer).
AND before you say that you will therefore instruct your Bank not to comply I think you’ll find that such matters are included in the Terms and Conditions and that no bank would open or continue an account if you chose to so instruct them
At the moment employers deduct income tax based on instructions from HM Revenue & Customs. Although personally repugnant to me, I can see that it would shift an administrative burden from employers to banks.
However every employer I’ve known either pays for a Payroll department or pays to outsource it. If PAYE is administered by banks, then they’ll presumably seek to recover their costs a) from the government, ie us indirectly or b) as a direct deduction from employees. They may dress the latter up with a special class of account with a monthly fee, but SOMEBODY is going to pay.
As far as extending taxing at source to other classes of ‘income’, it already exists for certain classes of landlord, only that is usually administered by a letting agency or (unlucky) tenants. I suppose that rental income could be universally taxed at source when it hits your bank account – the main reason why it hasn’t been so far is probably the administrative burden of reclaiming relief for expenses.
I think that the main reason why it’ll be a long time before additional classes of income are taxed by your bank on receipt is the ease by which tax can be avoided. I’m a pretty law abiding person but I maintain accounts ‘elsewhere’ under names that may not be easily identified as mine. Not evading tax – merely concealing sources and accumulated capital. It’s also child’s play to pay for goods & services using ‘barter’ – be it credits in Second Life or one of the anonymous Gold schemes. Even certain pharmacies in Thailand accept the latter, unlike Visa.
With world wide internet & phone banking, secure anonymous proxy servers & even cooperative friends offshore HMRC will NEVER be able to institute a blanket tax at source system. Not unless any government is planning to essentially cut the UK off from the internet & worldwide telephone system. In which case they’ll also have to barricade the exits.
BBC News : ‘Dutch cabinet falls in Afghan row’
I’ve always said Dutch furniture is never reliable, especially when you’ve got two Afghans going at it.
At least the liberal Dutch dont chop your hands off for sticking your finger in a dyke
A FUTURE FAIR FOR ALL?
No, I prefer:
OUR FUTURE, FUCKED BY GORDON BROWN FOR EVER
With Gormless unveiling slogans and strategy this weekend, my money’s on the dissolution of parliament next week and the election on March 25th. Sooner the better, so we can kick this wretched, corrupt bunch of c/unts out on their arse.
To all New Labour trolls here: Shouldn’t you be reading Führer Campbell’s Memoirs, as ordered by Millbank Directive 45B, sent to all New Labour automatons? Hurry along before they send you to the Führer Campbell Re-Education Camp. Quick. Fuck off and enjoy the last few weeks of your corrupt government.
I see the end of credit cards and the end of bank accounts.
People will demand that their employers pay cash.
If the employers are ordered by the government not to, I see a general strike.
Once the government are losing enough money that they can no longer pay the scroungers their benefits they will have no option but to cave in.
Ampers.
drop it dave.
but raise the personal allowance abd simplify the tax system.
just start undoing the damage brown hath wrought.
Having been dismissive of conspiracy theories all my life, I’m now beginning to believe them…
vote with your feet, leave the country, 3mn already have
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We have yet to take to the streets in a serious way but the goverment helping themselves to our bank deposits will be the final straw.
I was hoping Tiger would reveal his chat up line.
At the crackle of Harridan’s fanny the show will commence. Prime the Mentalist!
What I really ment to say was that there should be two classes of train travel,………. ” Washed” and “Unwashed”. Conversely they should charge the unwashed more.
I have patented an ‘ BO Scanner’ which sells well in Iraq @ £40,000 a time, and is available in the UK at a discount. Works on static electricity, batteries not needed.
Gordon/David, I’ve been a good boy this week…..can I please have my pocket money.
No! You have been looking at that ghastly Fawkes’ propaganda that promotes free speech. Stop and then I will reconsider. Go and sit on the naughty step now.
On Moneybox they mentioned BACS. BACS is not the banks it the money clearing system. They already hold lots of data. If instead of deducting tax employers identified payments as being taxable then a central system doing the calculating sat within BACS could work. Presumably employers paying cash would be told the amount to be paid. So it may not be quite as authoritarian as is being made out and may not on closer observation deserve Guido’s headline.
Dave’s living up to his commie credentials. Next, he’ll be freezing our bank accounts for posting on Guido.
The NWO is safe is Dave’s hands. Worryingly, he’ll be more efficient than calamity Brown at implementing global fascism.
UKIP before it’s too late.
I don’t see any way that this can be feasible in terms of implementing the taxation at the banks itself simply because of the fact that there are huge numbers of payments made in the banking system for any variety of reasons and it would be impossible to have an automatic system that knows exactly what a payment is for, whether to tax it and if so, how much, not to mention a massive overhead for the banks themselves in actually facilitating this.
However, what could be implemented pretty simply is to make HMRC an automatic clearinghouse for employers and businesses – every employer would have the option of making direct payments to HMRC with the employee’s NI# quoted as part of the transaction – from that point on, HMRC’s systems will automatically process how much it needs to pass on to the beneficiary’s bank account and do so.
With every employer doing that, if John Smith earns £400 from Business A, £200 from Business B and £100 from Business C in a single week, all 3 businesses will pay that directly to HMRC along with his NI# – HMRC’s systems will then be able to total the income, apply the appropriate tax and then pass the remainder on to him, as opposed to the employer calculating it and passing him his bit plus what they need to give to HMRC.
[...] to The Daily Telegraph today and also covered by Guido Fawkes' blog; The Conservatives are working on a plan where employees pay will automatically have any income [...]
Are the Tories really so stupid as to announce plans for this BEFORE the election? Or there is there something else going on here.
Cyprus looks like a lovely place to live.
That confims it then the Tories are control freaks just like nu labour. I won’t be voting for them as I intended
Labour found the solution – just print the stuff – it’s much cheaper than having a tax system but it works much the same way.
It would save people getting into trouble for unpaid back taxes. Don’t you think?
Someone needs to remind the Tories what Conservatism is about.
What a daft policy this is for Conservatives.
Cameron has bungled so many times, he is now known as Bungle over on the HPC website. Whilst little George makes a wonderfully effete pink hippo.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/esd-guidance/s17-s18-si-reporting.htm
Sections 17 & 18 Taxes Management Act 1970 – Banks have to give this sort of information already.
217 hits it on the head. Gauke mentioned BACS on the radio and BACS is a clearing house and that must be where they would plan to do the taxing.
“The State is the coldest of all cold monsters”
Looks like Dave is just another state loving zombie. We deserve better from those who aspire to rule us.
Damn them all.
Freedom is not just a word. It is our inalienable right as men and women
Can’t help but think this is all part of a long term plan to put the state in control of everything. And I am partly to blame.
I tried to buy 4 (four) packs of aspirin today. Checkout girl said I was over the limit and could only have 2 (two). For fucks sake ! I am a fucking adult ! Not that that has stopped some jumped up twat in some rsole government deciding I can’t be trusted to buy my own.
But then, did we complain at the time they started this nonsense? Not really.
Yes, that way a long time ago, but typical of how this started.
So now, is it any surprise the cúnts will try to take over as much as they can ? Especially as it is, after all, in their nature.
The vast majority of LibLabCon are twats. Expenses fiddling, do as we say not as we do, we know best, even if we have never done a proper day’s work in our lives, parliamentary privileging cúnts. And who puts them there ? We do !
The British are a people ruled by cúnts.
So, what does that make us ? Slow learners ?
Madness is repeating the same process and expecting a different outcome.
Polls show 90% of voters intend to vote LibLabCon.
So, what does that makes us ?
How about cúnts who deserve what they get !
I don’t like the sound of this.
If they do that I shall get an overseas bank account just to spite them. I hear you can open an account in Panama which just has number and no name.
[...] Big Brother Bank Accounts [...]
I went to Sainsburys to buy some tinfoil yesterday and they had run out. I didn’t understand why until I read this thread.
As a small business owner I’m all in favour of this, and as a small-government, libertarian Tory I don’t have a problem with it either. To start with, we are only talking about salary payments currently made under PAYE, and the State already knows exactly how much everyone is being paid under that regime. The only reason PAYE admin was dumped onto employers in the first place was that, before the days of computers, you had to work out everyone’s deductions using tax tables and it was a monumental pain in the arse. I have absolutely no problem with the Revenue taking back some of the work that it should be doing anyway. The taxman doesn’t come in and help me with my welding: so I don’t see why I should be doing his tax computations.
From my reading of it, the way the new system will work is that the employer notifies the Revenue of the employee’s monthly gross pay and tax code. HMRC then works out the deductions and takes them out of the employee’s bank account by direct debit. It actually makes it easier for employers to pay staff in cash, just pay them gross, it is then up to the employee to make sure he pays in enough to his bank account to cover the tax deduction. No need for HMRC to poke around in people’s bank accounts, and there is no way they could afford the staff needed to research all the payments received into every bank account in Britain and work out whether they should be taxed. It’s like the idea of the Govt monitoring all our phone calls – whether or not they’d like to do it, they can’t.
I can think of lots of ways in which HMRC could make life more difficult and unpleasant for everyone, but this isn’t one of them. If anything, it suggests that somewhere in the Tory high command there is someone who used to run a small business. (Not George Osborne – he couldn’t run a bath, and as far as I am aware his family wallpaper business is still going, so they must have kept him well away from it.)
The government and the banks should come up with a system that allows us to put all our data in (grabbed from the bank) which can then calculate things like how much we spend on various types of things, automatically budget for bills(with info from smart meters) and work out the tax for us…. they should even have this information for analysis- BUT anonymised!
They could even give annoying nudges based on the results but at no stage should any of the results be linked to a person, and if it ever was used like this then people should be absolved of any problem that was found.
I blogged about it Here a while back.
It’s a problem though that if such a system was made,l it would only take a future government to say they’re going to link it to the ID database in the name of terrorism for for the children.
Think I’m probably in a minority here, but as an employer I’d welcome any sensible way forward that reduces the administrative burden.
They don’t pay me to be a tax collector.
This just goes to show they really don’t want to win the election.
As for the idea, it is ludicrous. How can a computer program differentiate between money that family/friends give you, and surely they don’t plan to do this for the self-employed whose accounts are much more complicated. There would be so many errors, it would cause havoc trying to sort out each of the complaints. Talk about turning people against the state.
No, it’s only your assumptions that are ludicrous.
The idea is that employers tag wage payments with an NI number so that it can be processed (quite simply). It shits the burden from employer to an automated system.
They aren’t going to try and take 20% or whatever of every transaction. That would be silly & unworkable.
People are missing the point. It’s not about cutting red tape; the issue is if the government has access to more detailed bank account info. That is the principle that is potentially being established.
The IT would never work (such government run contracts /never/ do).
It would cost many times any estimate. It would be vast and
unmanageable. That will not stop the IT industry rubbing their hands in
glee.
It would not capture those in the black economy any more than the
present system does, it would increase the drive to cash or barter
(Which is widespread, especially in the deep countryside).
Its flaws would include taking too much money (no doubt accidentally and
temporary) off many who could not afford it-leading to widespread, poll
tax type, discontent, as tax payers negotiated with a mindless state
bureaucracy. (Remember the CSA fiasco?)
Far far better to take many people out of income tax/tax credits
altogether and simplify. If Toryism is not about simplification and
reducing interaction with the state, it is about nothing.
Any taxation system which increases /individual tax payer interaction/
with government bureaucracy, is fundamentally flawed.
Bye Dave. You’ll not get my vote now.
Me neither. This is sheer lunacy.
This will encourage a cash economy pretty rapidly – and bugger the bankers. Nice one Dave.
Eastern European countries are now far more Liberal than we are in the West.
This control freak disease is not just confined to the UK but to all the english speaking nations ,e.g Australia wishing to control the web.
So emigration is pointless as you will find your self back in the same situation they all sing from the same songsheet internationally too.
I f you want your freedoms back or to prevent worse erosions of Liberty than we endure now you will have to do what Eastern Europeans did 20 odd years ago.
Your going to have to fight for them.
I would give the taxman the ability to rape your bank accounts for one simple reason:
I am scared shitless that I might win the election and have to clear up Labour’s shite.
I have a problem with your use of the term, “tin foil hat”.
Everyone knows that only a steel V2K Cap will protect against mind control weaponry.