The Chief Medical Officer, Dr Liam Donaldson, full of festive cheer, warns “The more [children] get a taste for it, the more likely they are to be heavy drinking adults or binge drinkers later in childhood.” Does he have any hard evidence for this?
Guido’s dummy was dipped in brandy and it never did him any harm…
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Lord Lamont told ITV News…
“I think the PM is just human and Ed Balls is a pretty irritating person”
Guido,
I expect your dummy was Guinness-dipped. You don’t look like a Brandy man!
“I think the idea of introducing your children to understand that drinking is something you can do socially and something you can do with a meal and something that is part of life, you know, I think that is the way to do it. some of the friends I had, the ones who had the biggest problems were the ones where actually they never were able to drink anything at home. whereas the ones who drink responsibly were the ones who were given a glass of wine or small glass of beer or shandy or something, just to get them to know, right this is alcohol, this is what is does, you have to be careful. I think that’s the right way to do it, in the home.”
David Cameron August 2008
“The more [children] get a taste for it, the more likely they are to be heavy drinking adults or binge drinkers later in childhood.”
Now apply the same rule to State taxation or petty legislation, Dr Donaldson, you seeping Haemmoroid
that was’nt a dummy
This would be the same medical officer who bought at great expense Tamiflu that has been found to be both ineffective and dangerous?
And the same person who bought at great expense Pig flu vaccine that the health professionals refuse to take themselves?
so who is your dummy – some kind of stunt-double ? are you sure he’s come to no harm ?
Yes it would. Would this also be yet another government ‘scientist’ who takes our money and then uses it to scam us, like the Met Office FOI criminals?
It’s time these con artists found useful jobs in the private sector.
Let’s not be naive
chief of the medical officers = politician
Don’t forget avian flu, SARS and no doubt a series of further mega-plagues which I have somehow survived (along with everyone else). Perhaps he should tell us about how a close-to-unmeasurable change in temperature gathered using dodgy kit and worse methods is going to kill us all (unless alcohol, swine flu, zombies or killer bees get us first).
Perhaps his pension should be tied to the accuracy of his “forecasts” – say 1000 a year off for each 10,000 he’s been wrong …
Still, it’s nice to know that Gordon cornered the market in useless drugs sold by his mates.
This man is an idiot! There is loads of research that shows it is those who were not allowed alcohol as youngsters that grow up to abuse it when they get the chance. I was allowed a small glass of wine with a meal sunday growing up and at family parties I would be allowed an occasional dram. I am almost Tee total, and never drank heavily.
We brought up our daughter the same way, and she does not drink heavily either.
far far far far far far far far far too easy
why add anything to perfect comedy ?
“Guido’s dummy was dipped in brandy and it never did him any harm…”
Seen yerself in a mirror lately?
One is born with the alcoholic/addict gene or one is not. Environmental factors play a smaller part than one’s genetic disposition.
And from the age of 12-13 peer pressure plays more of a part in what children get up to than parental guidance. It’s also not helped by the environmental factors of pubs pricing alcohol cheaply in 3-1 offers or free drinks for women etc. It has very little to do with parents controlling how their children learn about drinking. The only thing that does cause children to head towards bing drinking is if their parent’s are continually pissed in front of them which is probably happens more in poorer families (not all poor families only those who drink to blot out the depressing world) than middle class ones which is what Dr Liam Donaldson is going on about.
True but, like the government funded global warming crowd, why let evidence get in the way of personal prejudice or feeding at the trough of public funds?
He really is a prize arse.
Q: What’s the best way of encouraging a teenager to do something?
A: Tell him he is not allowed to.
Precisely. My 3 were all allowed some alcohol on special occasions with no ill effects. None of them go binge-drinking and covering the local high street with vomit. I would do exactly the same again and to hell with interfering nanny-statist control freaks.
Go after the suppliers and the irresponsible parents.
Never underestimate nulabs’ desire to controll every aspect of our lives. Its in their genes.
Next step, ban school rugby tours. All those potential alkies saved and another step towards a more equal society.
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There is never any basis to any of the claims these loudmouth ninny staters make.
Global Warming, Swine Flu disaster, SARS disaster, Avian Flu disaster, Dropping the driink drive threshold will save millions of lives, speed cameras save millions of lives, BSE epidemic to kill millions, and many many more.
Nothing they ever say has any basis in fact.
we always had wine with christmas dinner ,never done me any harm
port and lemonade in small Jacobean glasses when I was a kid in London (1950′s)
mind you – I’m a right middle-class piss head piss head now !!
It’s the bastards that buy cheap cider and sell it to the kids that need to be collared, not people giving their kids a sip.
It’s called a confounding variable. Their stats mix up kids having a glass of bubbly at Christmas with ones drinking wife-beater in the park, and then show that “early drinkers” become “binge drinkers” (which incidentally they define as anyone who drinks more than a couple of glasses of wine).
These jobs go to the most political doctors and scientists, not the cleverest. Look at Sir David King.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/3545223/Caganers-figurines-of-defecating-world-leaders-in-Catalan-nativity-scenes.html?image=4
He went on about a middle class obsession with giving kids watered down wine. What a c’unt iI have never know anyone to bother watering it down.
Funny how he didnt mention the fucking chavs who let their kids drink strong cider and smoke those cheap fags. Why are the Middle Classes always held up as paragons of debauchery.
No wonder we drink we have to pay for our kids to go to schools to keep them away from scum and pay heavier taxes instead of sucking up state benefits.
Not to mention those who force heroin on their children. Unthinkable, but true.
The wife has had enough of them, she finally snapped on hearing this on the radio.
Time for Labour and their highly paid quangocrats to get down to the “Job Centre Plus” and do some real work ( if they are qualified for any ).
It’s nu layber’s last chance to piss on christmas – they’re not going to let a good crisis go to waste.
They’ve never done a real day’s work in their lives. The only thing they’re good for is cleaning up chav-sick from the pavements, and maybe then they’ll realise just how they’ve fucked us over for the last decade.
He must have hard evidence – according to the BBC, he said it was “the middle classes” and not the “underclass” or ” baby eating eton educated Tory Toffs” To get that sort of granularity ( I used to be a manger in a multinational, so forgive the jargon!) he must have detailed analysis. Lets not forget he is an “expert” – he was right about the 100,000 people a day getting swine flu, 65,000 swine flu deaths, and the crematoriums not being able to cope with the demand….. oh no, hang on, wasnt that just the tosser getting himself on telly a lot to look important!
So not the permapissed Eight Ace lookalikes that I see hanging out of Wetherspoons doorway on my way home from the office that are influencing their offspring then? No, it’s the man and wife who share a bottle of Chardonnay on a Friday evening. Prick….
Viognier or Sauvignon Blanc preferred here.
I heard Donaldson on this around 5.30am.
The man is an idiot – but a very useful one for the New labour brand of government. Anything they can try to control they will.
How did this man get into the position he is in? Oh, I know, new labour …..
And the fact that Cameron sounded like a complete cock at around the same time had nothing to do with either this story or the petulant whining all the twats here are doing
How fucking stupid do you have to be to think pouring alkee-hol down the necks of young children is harmless ?
Any fucking evidence?
Whilst Ritalin or SSRI compounds dispensed by a State-run health service are OK?
ah just like those nasty french who give children wine with their food – omg how could they??
You are such a neo-temperance turd
Filling them full of leftie propaganda is also ok isn’t it? Fuckwit.
We’re talking about giving them a sip every now and again, not tapping off a Guinness and handing it to a four-year-old. There’s a little bit of a difference.
“Donaldson” has a latin description – fuckwitus lookus importantus on mediaus” – he is an arse.
Aaahh now I see the problem. I had never seen a picture of him before.
He’s a fucking Ginger!!
Just another McMafia killjoy and idiot.
Hmmmm….was it not our Late Great Leader that relaxed the drinking laws and wanted a cafe culture?? So, they got that wrong as well……just wondering, have they got anything right over the past 12 years?
No.
Not too many years ago the prize NuLabor twerps were hoping for a more continental drinking culture in the UK. As any fule knos that will involve watered wine at dinner most Sundays and an expectation that you don’t fall down drunk every social occaision.
Remind me, why are these tossers in charge?
Because some stupid f/ing dickfaces voted for them 3 times! Once I can live with, 3 times is collective lunacy resulting in the most restrictive govt. since those with buckles on their hats and names like Melikisah.
Why can’t these socialists stay out of our lives?
Fed up with their bleating, whining, intereferences and attempted control of every aspect of our lives.
Never did you any harm? How many drink-driving convictions do you have nowadays?
And if I drive very fast around a sharp corner,my car will probably run off the road.
The bleeding obvious from an out of date Medical Officer leaving in May when he knows he won’t be welcome anymore.
Years of “fuck you we know best” government policy and deranged social tinkering has driven much of the population to drink, a favorite last refuge for the hoplessly abused used and ignored.
If Dr Liam Donaldson is really concerned about social wellbeing he would do better to consider and comment on this, or is it his Knighthood he is really concerned about!
Can this be the same Liam Donaldson who told us we would all die of swine flu?
……….whose predecessor told us we’d die of Bird Flu………………….
……….whose predecessor, in turn, told us we’d die of AIDS………………….?
The dictating classes don’t seem to realise that no longer do the masses believe a word they say, however often they appear on the telly to repeat it, nor however bloodcurdling the threat.
We’ve all got Bollox Fatigue.
The sole remedy is universal truth-telling (regrettably, government stocks are exhausted and there are no immediate plans for replenishment).
When mum and dad went to the old ferry boat inn just down the coast from Ipswich we kids always had a half shandy to nurse in the garden, back then families used to go the pubs on the coast and summer evenings were a delight.
Newlabour have killed the pub/working mens clubs, they had a detailed plan to do this from the start of their regime, cant have the proles actually getting together and talking freely without the political classes having any influence can we eh? Now people are locked up in their houses too poor/tired/scared to go out and now watching brain killing trash on TV where CP/NWO propaganda is pumped out continuously.
These fuckers had a plan and stuck to it, they may as well just lock us all up under house arrest.
A visit to France, where they all give their kids wine and there isn’t a binge drinking problem instantly disproves his theory.
Never mind this dick. On Newsnight last night King ex Chief Scientific Officer was involved in proving AGW last night. Two empty water bottles, vinegar, baking soda, two lamps and a ” Climate Scientist” ( Black of course).
Token blacks in the audience immediately convinced.
Case proven.
Not related to Cassandra ( above I hope )
Remember when Newsnight was Newsnight?
Only just.
Yes, another disgrace from the ridiculous Unethical Twat – ‘most’ scientists think… How does he know? Because he and the lying commies at the BBC keep saying so?
The DT writes:
As rector he demanded a full list of expenses and entertainment allowances paid to members of the administration. He wrote in a memo: “In this time of economy I believe it is vital that the university’s finances must not only be properly managed but be seen to be so.”
Mr Brown went on to take a first in history…
This latter naturally being totally unconnected to the former.
Sorry wrong thread – must have been the laudanum my dummy was dipped in.
“Mr Brown went on to take a first in history…”
There’s a grammatical mistake in that sentence. It should have read “Mr Brown went on to be the first in history to take down a country.”
I can see the Government advert now:
Drunk tramp in gutter thinks back to when he first had a drink. Then we see a 13 year old boy sipping from a small glass of wine at dinner on his birthday.
The Government will be happy because it is telling us not to do something, spending even more on adverts and hammering the middle-class!
When my daughter was 3 weeks old she had very bad colic so we gave her a quarter spoon of Brandy. It didnt help then but 30 years on she’s still teetoal.
Donaldston can go fuck off.
I bring up my kids based on my opinions, my experience, the evidence I see with my own eyes. What that cocksucker said this morning betrays his ideology – he sees no difference between haveing watered wine with a meal, and drinking special brew, becuase the prick won’t accept that some parents are better than others. I guess he figures the only good parent is the State.
fuck off, the lot of yers.
Sir Liam Ginger Nanny is the star of my blog today.
http://political-graffiti.blogspot.com/
Speechless
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2775076/Boozy-Santa-a-health-risk-say-experts.html
We are expected to take advice from a man who appears to see Brillo and Trump as a style icons?
Get yourself a proper barber and maybe people will start listening to you. It might also help if you do something to stem the seemingly never ending stream of shit which pours from your mouth.
Watch him in an interview. He NEVER blinks.
“Does he have any hard evidence for this?”
Don’t know, but I do know that he seems to me to think the public, who pay for him, are only there to be ordered around by twats like him. Just my opinion.
From the NHS site:
“If women choose to drink alcohol during pregnancy they should be advised to drink no more than one to two UK units once or twice a week (one unit equals half a pint of ordinary strength lager or beer, or one shot [25 ml] of spirits.”
So it is OK for it to go straight into the blood stream, but the issue obviously is the mouth.
I suggest all children should snort their alcohol.
The other childhood way was whisky full of brown sugar and warm water during a cold or flu. That put anyone off spirits for life.
This is the person responsible for the wide spread abuse and bullying of children.
When he decided to go on his weight loss program he also decided to become judge and jury at the “perfect race” selection court. Search for old images of his previous form.
He started by denying medical treatment to a certain genetic backgrounds and more importantly writing to their young offspring that they were not acceptable humans.
His problem is that he might have once been able to cut flesh, but he never understood statistics. He took the Body Mass Index and worked out the average ideal person. He then decided on a range of acceptability and those outside were deemed a lower life form. So he had every school child inspected and letters written home to detail if they were worthy for his World.
Do you know how badly this was handled by our incompetent school system. Imagine the effects on the children.
He also started a public hate campaign and justified it using images of people way outside the range.
The issue was that the thick idiot did not understand the use of BMI across a population as opposed to an individual. Over a population the genetic traits for short legs, big heads, wide shoulders or other variable large mass features, are all averaged out. So from an overall survey he worked out what was acceptable as human to him.
That is why he looks like he does. He is a hypocritical “perfect race” proponent.
(PS. my BMI is 32. Yes, I also do not like sitting next to fat people on 14″ wide train seats but BMI and fatness are not the same, unless you are part of Liam’s super race.)
From his own report:
“Drinking in family contexts is protective
against underage drinking and problem
drinking in later life
Warner and White 2003; Foley et al 2004″
Perhaps he should read it.
‘Guido’s dummy was dipped in brandy and it never did him any harm…’
Come on Guido, have you taken a look at yourself in the mirror lately? (Note: I am probably worse).
“Full of festive cheer” Are you saying that he was pissed?
I suppose the French have that terrible binge-drinking culture that is the scourge of Europe because their kids are allowed a glass of watered-down wine with dinner…
Total and complete bollocks.
When I was a kid, I was allowed the occasional sip of wine, beer or whatever else was going. Alcohol was a part of life, but ALWAYS something to be had in moderation. The consequences of having too much were also illustrated, and it was always something I was keen to avoid.
By comparison, one of my cousins wasn’t allowed any alcohol until she was about 16. Not a drop. She’s now 18, and regularly spends Friday and Saturday nights drinking WAY too much.
Lessons to be learned? Introduce kids to alcohol – teach them how to enjoy it responsibly. Key word: responsibility. Something that Labour fuckwits have no bloody clue about.
I’m getting sick and tired of a bunch of jumped-up champagne socialists in London who’ve spent their entire lives living off my hard-earned tax pounds telling me how to live my life, and how to bring up my kids.
To every fucking invasive, patronising, condescending, lefty, aspiration-murdering, benefit-scrounging, know-it-all, public service prick who DARES to presume that they know what’s best for my children ahead of their own FATHER: FUCK OFF, TWATS!
I started drinking unattended at the age of 13, having had the odd glass of shandy from my parents. I never got into binge drinking, and would never dream of causing trouble or getting into a fight whilst drunk.
I’m now 35 and hardly drink at all – never had a problem with it, never had anything happen to make me think I shouldn’t drink, just don’t seem to bother doing it.
The last two paragraphs could equally apply to hundreds of people I know and have known over the years.
Donaldson’s a fucking moron just like everyone else in any kind of position of authority these days.
Now that Swine Flu isn’t killing anybody and is not the apocalypse as promised I suppose this ginger twat has to start banging on about something else to justify his existence.
What a cock.
To Anonymous.
Totally agree,as per my post No 78.
“Does he have any hard evidence for this?”
Too easy.
Yawn…
Usual.. Health Police/ Environment Police/ Morals Police/ Food Police/ Global Warming Police/ etc etc Police…
Behave as I “think” you all should behave, though NOT particularly as I behave personally…
Stroll on..
Just a few words to say to that scots dickhead son of donald.
You look after your family mate and I certainly don’t need your inane utterings to look after mine.
I had heard you pontificating before,by the way what exactly happened to Porker Flu all these many thousands who were going to die?.
Mad cow disease,another one of your purlers,and as I remember we were also going to have mass deaths from bird flu.
I am aware you are pissing off next year,so until then get your brain in gear before your mouth.
Who wanted all day drinking hours to be more like Europe?
Why have’nt they done something about all this cheap booze in supermarkets?
At least when we had pubs with restricted opening hours, the problem could be contained in one place and at certain times of the day! There was a program on R4 about the overstretched ambulance service trying to deal with all the piss heads tonight, funny the ambulance service says it got worse over the last 10 years!
I like a drink every now and then but I’ve never pissed in a cash point machine like some total twat did the other day in our village!!!
so to sum up remind me what has nu lab have done for the last 13 years
created a culture of piss heads
invaded two countries and pissed off all the muslims
wasted loads on reducing the waiting list in hospitals by making BUPA rich
killed loads with super bugs by not taking a firmer control on cleaning the NHS
taxed the shit out of every one and created poverty
got us into debt for the next 30 years by not contoling the banks
raised un employment
made no investment in green industry or renewable energy
sold all our gold for monkey nuts
fucked up my pension so I can’t retire until I get 20th telegram from HM
Sold out to Europe
raised crime levels
let imagration get out of control so that twats like nick grith can get ammo!
THIS IS A URGENT APEAL ON BEHALF OF ALL IN THE UK
PLEASE GORDON BROWN , PLEASE MAKE OUR CHRISTMAS AND RESIGN!!!!!
Regular wine with dinner since I was 5 years old, and that’s still the extent of my drinking. Still, maybe the drafter of this idiocy didn’t want to suffer the same fate as Prof Nutt. Coming soon, a report into child obesity that suggests McDonald’s and Burger King should ban under 18s from the premises… actually, that might not be a bad idea.
“McDonald’s and Burger King should ban under 18s from the premises… ”
Yeah! then they could maybe get an alcohol license and their customers could get obese and pissed at the same time and save the trouble of walking.
There was a press story aeons ago about a Scots teetotal woman who was diagnosed alcoholic.
Seems she had taken a fancy to the children’s dose of Night Nurse while they were teething and eventually was putting away a dozen bottles a day herself.
So I’m not so worried about you, Guido, as for your minder who gave you a taste while s/he glugged the rest of the bottle (presumably).
“Och! just a wee refreshment, Doctor…I’m not one for the drink..” lol
“More or Less” on Radio 4 today (1:30pm Fri 18 Dec) has tried to find Donaldson’s supposed evidence. The great man refused to help. None of the medical research tracked down by the programme itself supported Donaldson – most research suggested the opposite or were inconclusive.
As always, campaigns mounted by political activists masquerading as doctors or scientists tend to be based on nothing but prejudice.
Donaldson is a walking reminder of the perils of contagious passive idiocy: stop listening to him if you want to preserve your sanity.
Due to having meditteraneran parents I was given watered down wine with meals as a kid, and I grew up a complete pisshead. My mate, who wasn’t, is also a complete pisshead, so you can argue it either way really.
What annoys me is that the government think it’s ok for smack addicts, nutters, criminals, the terminally stupid and the permanantly poor to have kids. Just as long as you don’t smoke, aren’t overweight and don’t given them any booze.