November 10th, 2009

Speccie v Staggers on Communism and Circulation


In the week we celebrate the Fall of the Wall (more in this coming week’s Guidogram) the covers of our political weeklies are worth comparing.  The Speccie reveals and condemns Soviet agents at the highest levels of the Labour Party.  The New Statesman glories in a cover with a flattering (old) picture of the communist tyrant Fidel Castro.  On the inside is a feature on his allegedly ‘popular’ variant of socialism.  So popular is Castro’s socialism that he has turned the island into a prison, locked up dangerous poets, not held an election in half a century and jailed dissident democrats.  No mention in the article of the people who to attempt to flee to Miami on floats made out of car tyres or the level of destitution to which the country has been reduced.  Perhaps Castro is popular in the same way that the Staggers is ‘popular’.   Up to date ABC circulation figures are no longer available, but the suspicion is that since they have got rid of the adult political reporters the weekly circulation has gone below 20,000 – less than the daily readership of this blog.  Online data  since the beginning of the year shows the relative downward trend:

Relative Trends

Perhaps if it was more in the real world politically – the latest claim is that the Chief Rabbi of Poland is a Tory stooge – the downward trend of the Staggers might be arrested.  Perhaps they are hoping, vainly in Guido’s view, that a change of government will boost circulation…


  1. 1
    DelBoy says:

    I visted Cuba a couple years ago. The people were fantastic – poor but great,

  2. 2
    Neo-Con Wanker says:

    I hear the Speccie are so stupid they are putting up a paywall to pay to view their content

    What a bunch of moronic Hunt’s

  3. 3
    Tony says:

    Guantanamo Bay?

  4. 4
    the predictable howls of the twats says:

    then you are clearly a mass mudering communist

  5. 5
    Fake Gordon says:

    At his press conference Gordon was wearing a black tie but show him wearing a red tie.

    Itsa Fake

  6. 6
    DelBoy says:

    Jack “the hat” Straw, asks us to trust him.
    Mmm why shoudldn’t I believe him, I wonder.
    So many reasons, so little space.
    He never answers any questions you know.

  7. 7
    DelBoy says:

    Funnily enough, you couldn’t get past the razor wire. “American soil” I was told. I had to laugh.

  8. 8

    nobody reads the new statesman beecause it’s shit

  9. 9
    DelBoy says:

    No planes to mainland US of A, so I must be.

  10. 10
    NLJD says:


    Are you at the self promotion again?

    The Speccy vs Scratchy’s useful idiot?
    What a choice between Trevor and a failed fireworks lighter?

    You really couldn’t make it up.
    Colonial leprechaun on the make and a MOD sponsored private school twat?

    Bit like a fight between an alligator and an anaconda.
    Don’t care who wins just want to sit back and enjoy the spectacle.

  11. 11
    Mitch says:

    been shit for years, as alas is Private Eye now

    same reason – crap owners

  12. 12
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    I haven’t read either for years. If that’s the best that they can do, “Soviets penetrated Labour!” onoes it’s not like we hadn’t known that for donkeys years; “Cuba is wonderful, viva la revolucion!” digresses how from the New Sovietsman’s usual leftie blurb?

    Goes to show that such publications are unfortunate leftovers from an older time, a bit like dinosaurs except not as interesting. Sad, pointless and without relevance in the modern age. What surprise me is that they still sell any copies at all, surely they don’t sell enough to make a working profit?

  13. 13

    Whilst our leaders are in Berlin celebrating the demise of East Germany, can you name a country where:

    Ballot Boxes are interfered with
    Voting registers go missing
    The Police can kill innocent people and get away with it
    You can be put in prison for 42 days on pure suspicion
    You can be put in prison indefinitely without charge on the word of a politician
    The State can torture people
    Your children are monitored at School by Political Officers
    Their behaviour is logged on a State database for their entire lives
    Your innocent fingerprints, iris scans and biometrics are held by the State
    You do not have the right to remain silent
    You are watched on 4 million CCTV cameras
    You may not photograph the Police
    The media is controlled by the State
    You do not have the right to protest peacefully
    Curfews exist for entire communities
    Your travel movements are logged and monitored
    Who you vote for is logged and monitored
    Your shopping habits are studied and logged by the State
    Your emails and telephone conversations are recorded by the State
    Your passport can be withdrawn at the whim of the State
    Government agencies can use lie detector tests on you.
    166 “Authorities” can now legally enter your home.


  14. 14
    DelBoy says:

    It makes my fingers stink a bit.

  15. 15
    Mitch says:

    nobody is willing to pay for online editions, everybody knows that

  16. 16
    Master Baiter says:

    The New Statesman only tells the truth, a pox on the Spectator, the armed forces and all Conservitudes, Gordon is great.

    That is all.

  17. 17
    A fly on the bunker wall says:

    Just when you think it’s not possible to detest a man more than Jolly Jack the torture tsar,up pops Phil Woolas with his two pennyworth of shit to smear.

  18. 18
    Mark Oaten says:

    need any help?

  19. 19
    Dick the Prick says:

    Plus Cuba incarcerates HIV+ people and poofs – can’t be all bad!!!

  20. 20
    Browns Untergang says:

    Ick kann Deutsch. Je parle Frog. Stitch that jimmy!

    The frog Sarko and sour fraulein Merkel were astounded my ability to understand French and German. As world saviour I an naturally blessed in tongues – so Pete and Tony tell me.

  21. 21
    The Chairman says:

    I shall be ringing the Spectator later, as, yesterday I bought only my second issue as I had decided to buy on a regular basis. This was because having read links on here I wanted to read further.

    Now I read here a pay-wall is likely.

    Bad idea.

    Am re-considering, hence the phone call….

  22. 22
    Dick the Prick says:

    Sweden? Zimbabwe? Mauritius? Nah, give up

  23. 23
    I have a dream says:

    I would really love to walk up Whitehall and see Woolas’ head on a stake.

    It would even then still try talking with that revolting nasal way he has.

  24. 24
    Fraser Nelson says:

    very wise

    P.S. ask them when the Neathergate story is coming out

  25. 25
    English Liberation Front says:

    Shabash! New Labour have remade our world in the image of the GDR.

    But a reckoning is due.

  26. 26
    labour and conservative NWO murderers and war mongers not fit to honour our heros says:


  27. 27
    The Inquisition says:

    Financial misconduct = Conservatives

  28. 28
    Mr Ned says:

    Would that nation happen to be … The country that gave the world the Charter of Liberties and then the Magna Carta? and the same nation that gave us Habeas Corpus Act 1679 and the same nation that created the Bill of Rights 1689, upon which the United States Bill of Rights was based, as well as the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the European Convention on Human Rights.

    Would it be that nation? Formerly England and now the United Kingdom?

    The Nation that is to be utterly consumed by the EU and ALL previous laws and charters are to become rendered moot as the EU dictatorship becomes sovereign over our own law. That we shall once more have taxation without representation and the Bill of Rights shall be usurped.

    We MUST be allowed a say by a referendum, OR turn the election INTO our referendum.

    If anyone can state an alternative to voting UKIP, that can also result in a protection and defence of our Sovereignty, speak up loudly NOW!

  29. 29
    Meno from No10 says:

    When I wrote my notes ‘buy Gold’ was it misspelt or did you read it as sell indstead of buy?

  30. 30
    Hard E Charleswidge says:

    FFS – who would want to read a soft-commie w*nk mag like the New Statesman? It should only be in the archives of failed political rags. Certainly not on news stands.

  31. 31
    George Osborne says:

    ‘Ere stop messin’ abahht!

    QE (quantitative easing) is ok now!

    So that’s yet another reverse in direction.

    Print money!

  32. 32
    Kafka says:

    Serious article in WIRED recently addressed the question of pay-walls in light of Murdoch putting them up around various parts of his empire. Jury’s still out, but it may work if your content is good enough.

  33. 33

    The Soviet block has not fallen. It has simply moved to Brussels. Name one elected EU Commissioner. Even the President is Maoist

  34. 34
    Anonymous says:

    Financial incontinence = Labour

  35. 35
    nell says:

    Interesting to read that the soviets promised kinnock everything he needed to beat thatcher and get to power.

    So labour was secretly backed by the soviet union during that election.

    And I wonder what the’ everything he needed ‘ was? No doubt oodles of russian money. Do the audited accounts of the labour party for that time show how much the russians pumped in?

  36. 36
    jgm2 says:

    I like Private Eye. They were all over that other socilist crook Maxwell when the mainstream yellow press wouldn’t say boo to a goose. And they’ve been all over this bunch of crooks and their crooked PFI deals since Day 1 too.

    You might not like PE but compared to the UK mainstream press they are a beacon of investigative journalism in a sea of worthless press-release regurgitating arseholes.

  37. 37
    barefootcontessa says:

    Trust him? Rather trust Jack the Ripper!

  38. 38
    barefootcontessa says:

    I like Private Eye too. Only cynical, analytical journalism around. Take it regularly.

  39. 39
    bergen says:

    Used to read the New Statesman in dear old Arthur Marshall’s day when he had a column about his life in rural Somerset.

    Gave it up when it became entirely suffocated by earnest,po-faced,unemployable marxists.

  40. 40
    gone fuckin mental says:

    just hang em

  41. 41
    barefootcontessa says:

    Covers are great though, aren’t they,………. and Castro, such a dish!

  42. 42
    barefootcontessa says:

    Fraser Nelson, like Fidel, bit of a dish too, and younger.

  43. 43
    Road_Hog says:

    Everybody apart from the Spectator, it would appear.

  44. 44
    PDM says:

    Our Lass gets the NUT trade paper, on Page 10 this month they had a feature on what foreign Ed-Yu-Kay-Shun systems we could learn from. Their conclusions? Gaza and Cuba.

  45. 45
    barefootcontessa says:

    Wouldn’t have mattered what they gave the Welsh wind bag he wouldn’t have got in.

  46. 46
    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

    O.H-eloquently and concisely enscribed-some l the many reasons to get rid of the Stalinist dictator.Well written, Sir.

  47. 47
    barefootcontessa says:


  48. 48
    Number 7 says:

    The one eyed idiot’s certainly having a bad day – phone calls, press conferences and now this:-

    UK likely to loose AAA rating!

    Look out – they’re going blind

  49. 49
    Heidi High says:

    The Spectator’s a dry old read anyway.

  50. 50

    I t*will* work if you content is good enough. Porn and the WSJ indicate that. But most content is not good enough.

    Who would pay to read Polly?

    I’d pay to read her obit.

  51. 51
    jgm2 says:

    The Tories paid a heavy price for ‘rewarding’ the ginger arsehole with a sinecure in Brussels though. Can you imagine Brown giving anything to a rival politician? He hasn’t even made Blair a Lord and they’re supposed to be on the same side.

  52. 52
    Heidi High says:

    …earnest, po-faced, unemployable marxists…

    Is there any other sort?

  53. 53
    Lord Rogers-Fellowes says:

    Fine looking chap that Fraser Nelson.

    Talks damn good sense but sounds like a Martian. Still, wouldn’t mind inviting him down to Stroke Bottom.

    Got a group of young chaps from Thailand here on a cultural visit at the moment, though.

  54. 54
    barefootcontessa says:

    Don’t want to be too vindictive but did enjoy the above comments about that totally, utterly, detestably, vilely, hideously, abominably, sickeningly, Useless ……….. Pheel Woosless.

  55. 55
    Heidi High says:

    Rug burn?

  56. 56
    Boycott the Licence Fee says:

    Technically it is US soil. It’s leased to the US by Castro, but he’s never accepted a penny from the Yanks and doesn’t cash the cheques. For once a leader with principles.

  57. 57
    Boycott Israeli goods, it worked on Apartheid says:

    Woollas, living proof that David Icke deserves a second hearing

  58. 58
    barefootcontessa says:

    Sounds xtra xiting.

  59. 59

    Castro is a murderous tyrant. For someone who boycotts the license fee, you swallowed a large amount of their spin.

  60. 60
    barefootcontessa says:

    Notice the gorgon was wearing a new v expensive black suit in his interview on tv. Is he anticipating having to wear it regularly? His shirt was whiter than white, and well ironed. – Sarah been busy then?

  61. 61
    Teenage Commie says:

    There’s an Ed Miliband centrefold this month.

    I’d show it yer, but the pages are stuck together.

  62. 62
    Ben says:

    You can like TNS or hate it, you can agree or disagree, but unlike this blog, at least it sometimes has something to say.

  63. 63
    Reg511 says:

    And the only publication that appears to treat all parties with equal distain and ridicule when appropriate,

    and the most amusing crossword

  64. 64
    Mr Ned says:

    Too true Old Holborn, too true.

    The question is, who can we vote for to protect OUR sovereignty?

  65. 65
    jgm2 says:

    Nope. That’ll all be on expenses. ‘Wholly necessary…’

  66. 66

    The UK has NEVER EVER lost it’s AAA rating.

  67. 67
    Gordon Brown says:

    Shoud I wear my fucking kilt then ???

  68. 68
    Mr Ned says:

    To replace him with? …

    The EU stalinists? Exactly as indicated by the cowardly capitulation of Cameron to the EU last week?

  69. 69
    Reg511 says:

    Coffee House worth a daily 10 minutes

  70. 70
    Not Jack the Ripper, Honest Guv says:

    Step into this dark alleyway, madam.

  71. 71
    barefootcontessa says:

    We’ve got plenty worse than Castro, and he’s better looking.

  72. 72
    Mitch says:

    Blair’s enoblement would be automatic and a decision for the Queen. He doesn’t take it for the same reason John Major doesn’t – he’d have to declare his interesting financial arrangements.

  73. 73
    barefootcontessa says:


  74. 74
    jgm2 says:

    It had never, ever had 0.5% interest rates nor a 15% GDP budget deficit before this jackass Brown got his hands on the levers either.

    It’s there in black and white. The only thing keeping our ‘AAA’ rating is an expectation that a bunch of adults will be in charge from the middle of next year as opposed to the present incompetent arseholes. If Brown had called and won the election he bottled then we’d be already down-graded what with another three years of this idiocy still in the pipeline.

  75. 75

    Look he was a scruffy national embarrassment before. I don’t begrudge reasonable expenses. Just a pity it’s harder for me as a business owner to expense my suit dry cleaning.

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  77. 77
    barefootcontessa says:

    Should read RarVER.

  78. 78
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m just a shy boy.

  79. 79
    Marcus, Edinburgh says:

    Isn’t there a credible argument that the reason why conservative-leaning magazines are gaining in popularity is because more “need-to-know” lobby types want to be kept up to date with the intellectual forces shaping a potential conservative party of government? Have you taken account of the winner factor?

  80. 80

    This blog’s owner has something to say 3 or 4 times every single day. It then has about 600 people commenting on everything Guidos says. Guido has more comments than TNS has readers!

  81. 81
    Eddie says:

    Brown is an appalling, lying sociopath.

    He phoned the poor woman to try to browbeat and intimidate her into shutting up but she is made of sterner stuff than that.

  82. 82
    Duracell says:

    We do some good AAA’s

  83. 83
    Dick the Prick says:

    Very smelly ones who teach sociology

  84. 84
    barefootcontessa says:

    Pleeeeeeasse do not. A track suit is hard to bear, but a kilt?!!

  85. 85

    Tell me about it. Things have been totally going wrong since 2001, and I’ve been complaining about it since 2002.

    Treating credit inflation as economic growth is JUST SO wrong.

  86. 86

    That’s “indoctrinate sociology”; It’s never taught.

  87. 87
    barefootcontessa says:

    Kafka, visited your colourful little house once, in Prague.

  88. 88
    Mitch says:

    IMO the right wing press is more open minded, irreverent, and willing to be challenged. In general their contributors don’t have the ideollogical dogma and hang-up’s of their left wing colleagues.

    Plus they tend to be cleverer.

  89. 89
    Mr Mitrokhin says:

    So Chapman Pincher was right all along… Labour MP’s used to hoot down Tory MP’s in the House for daring to suggest the CPGB was funded by ‘Moscow Gold’, and call them paranoid McCarthyites in the press. Then the Wall came down, the Russki’s admitted it…

    Sound of wind and tumbleweed. Nothing has changed.

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  91. 91
    Anonymous says:

    was the cockroach still in the bedroom?

  92. 92
    Maladroit Labour Chump says:

    Booms and busts = New £iebour

  93. 93
    Doc Trough says:

    I heared Blair ( God rot the c’unt) declined on the grounds that the title ‘The Lord Thy God’ wasn’t considered suitable

  94. 94
    Anonymous says:

    yeah much clearer now

  95. 95
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    if that constructivist red and black on white is your “thing” madam, then yes I suppose one could derive a degree of aesthetic appreciation from the covers of both organs :) Personally I find graphical tributes to the Third International rather old-hat, and not being a lady myself, Ol’ Fuzzyface never really appealed to me in “that” way. Besides, don’t you think that now he’s got older, he looks curiously similar to Anthony Quinn?

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    SO17 says:

    Or maybe as the years go by all the old guard left wing champions are kicking the bucket. Thank fuck.
    The young rebel against the establishment and that is now left wing idealism.

  97. 97
    Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

    It would not be the country that I grew up in where


    would it??????????????????

    Where eccentrics were, to some degree, loved and most certainly tolerated.

    Would this country now be the LAUGHING STOCK of the world?

    Heading for financial oblivion because the people were mesmerised by the constant rise in house prices, even though their had been 2 property crashes before in my lifetime?

    I have masses of respect for OH and Guido etc, but you will need a lot more like them and I will not return at any price!

  98. 98
    Mike Huntstinks says:

    What are you on it for then fuckwit?

  99. 99

    You can still emigrate, the slaves of Cuba’s communist party cannot.

  100. 100

    What boom? Falling house affordability and credit inflation is not a boom.

  101. 101
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    why are the AAAs more expensive than the AAs even though they’re a lot smaller? And why can’t I get PP9s anymore?

  102. 102

    I hope the 8th circle of hell is called Blairville.

  103. 103
    Anonymous says:

    One question in the PM’s press conference was about a load of Australian politicians declaring that man made climate change is rubbish, can’t find anything about this in the asia-pacific section on Pravda…anyone know more?

  104. 104

    Don’t forget The McCarthyites were right too. Hollyweird was stuffed full of commies.

  105. 105

    Did you know Cuba invaded a couple of countries based on a pack of lies and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and tortured people while taking photographs ?

    True Story

    That Castro sure is a cun’t

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  107. 107
    Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

    If only you had either Sarko or Angie running United Condom you would all be a lot calmer and not in such QE eased shite!

    Almost nobody, except very possibly the Luxembougers, thinks the return of The Holy Roman Empire is a good idea, but we have a quality of life here in northern Europe that is a distant memory to most you you poor sods!

  108. 108
    Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

    And, yes, we will be running from here when it becomes like U.Condom!

    I have always wanted to live in Africa. It could well become an enticing prospect in about 5 years!

  109. 109
    Reg511 says:

    A man of gravitas

  110. 110
    Notascot says:

    What is a “fucking kilt”? Is it one with an ominous tent-pole bulge at the front?

  111. 111
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    I don’t think that it’s as much about left-wing v. right-wing anymore, it’s more about authoritarianism v. libertarianism. Liebore are left-wing and “idealists” although idealogues would be more appropriate, but they’ve been the most authoritarian and anti-individualist government that we’ve had as far as I can recall, and that’s quite a bit. I don’t class myself as right-wing at all, although I’ll admit to being reactionary and “conservative.”

    The irony being that I can clearly recall all the current crop of Liebore hoons being young socialist firebrands, demanding unilateral nuclear disarmament, Thatcher out, support the gay disabled black IRA freedom fighters etc.

    I’m just waffling now.

  112. 112
    Mike Huntstinks says:

    No, a cock-sized hole at the back

  113. 113
    Bob Page says:

    Conservative media does tend to be more controversial and thought provoking as opposed to the more tame, liberal media. Just look at Fox News’ ratings in the US, more than all the other networks combined. You can bet a large chunk of people watching that are left wing liberals who want to be wound up or find something that offends them (cos we all know how masochistic lefties are).

  114. 114
    Dack Blog says:


  115. 115
    This blog achieves nothing says:

    What, you have a readership? What do they read, actually? The advertising? (Yes, that’s what it is all about of course). I think you mean your contributors, not readership. If you want them to keep reading your adverts, then give them proper credit.

  116. 116
    Engineer says:

    More than a grain of truth in that. We’ve had just over a decade of leftism in practice; long enough for most people to judge the effects for themselves. Those just coming to maturity are looking at their future prospects, and it don’t look bright under left-leaning government. We’ve also had a steady drip-drip of revelations about prominent left-leaning politicians and trades unionists of the past and their communist connections, which doesn’t really go down very well with the average Brit.

  117. 117
    Neather Forget! says:

    Did you know Cuba invaded a couple of countries based on a pack of lies and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians?

    Angola. Mozambique. Grenada…Oh, wait, that’s three.

    Plus Congo-Kinshasa. And Bolivia… Five. Any more? An old Angola hand like Guido should have the facts to hand….

  118. 118
    SingalongaMatilda says:

    I think the problem is that Oz is counted today as a rich nation………

    The brutal truth behind the forthcoming Copenhagen Agenda will amount to the poor citizens of rich countries handing over a hat-full of dosh to the rich citizens of poor countries.

    Now any self-respecting C5 Fosters drinker wouldn’t go along with that, would he/she?

  119. 119
    SO17 says:

    The ‘Ethical man’ shit on Newsnight is getting on my tits.
    Despite doing everything except kill his kids ‘Ethical man’ could only reduce his carbon footprint by 20%.
    These cu*ts want 80% for fucks sake.
    If a fucking comet was heading towards earth I doubt there would be endless meetings and agreements before anything was done.
    The mere fact that ‘Climate change’ does not instill the same sense of urgency amongst world leaders proves to me it is bollocks.
    Climate change is a tool for the capitalists to block third world growth and the communists want to make us pay for it.

  120. 120
    hootsman says:

    Perhaps that’s the Labour grand plan….to make us all poor but great.

  121. 121
    DelBoy says:

    Soiled by the US is what occurred to me at the time.

  122. 122
    Ich bin ein Tosser says:

    I told you I’d save the economy – Korea’s.

    ‘UK car scrappage scheme causes huge increase in UK trade deficit.’

  123. 123
    dr devious says:

    Yeah ,that’s why a load of Labour mongs are starting to infest this site like a dose of scabies.

  124. 124
    DelBoy says:

    Half way there then

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    nell says:

    Oh Dear. Gordon was pinning his hopes on being able to grandstand at Copenhagan in December and negotiating, ‘single handedly’ a worldwide agreement on climate change. He really believes that public opinion will then turn in his favour. After all he said he had fifty days to the conference to save the world.

    But China and India are not really interested, Obama has said it is unlikely he will attend and now the aussies are casting doubts on climate change being man-made. Sensible folks.

    Another miscalculation gordon.

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    Eugenics Expert says:

    At least we can identify the clan/tribe from the kilt.

    If you lift the kilt and find a quarter-pounder (cheese is optional), he’s a Macdonald.

  127. 127
    Drawing the battle lines says:

    Authoritarian federalists v Libertarian localists.

  128. 128
    Sir William Waad says:

    Guido’s graph, alas, has no scale on the y-axis and relates to website visits, whereas the text appears to relate to circulation in hard-copy. One can’t draw a conclusion from one to the other. The graph also primarily shows an actual downward trend rather than a relative downward trend.

  129. 129
    Anonymous says:

    BNP… Moseley’s Blackshirts… Remember the fuckwits.

  130. 130
    Security Guard says:

    fuck u man Isreal makes awesome and affordable bullet proof vests.

  131. 131
    Fred Goodwin's Duck Palace says:

    The eye are also in the vanguard trying to stop these mad super injuntions from muzzling and censoring the press with the force of MOD ‘D’ notices for those rich enough to employ the libel vultures

  132. 132
    aspiring politician says:

    how much does it cost and how often does it come out

  133. 133
    Gordon Brown says:

    I am training hard for this event and fully expect to participate

    One of the major events of the Honour Our Troops campaign is a 500 mile sponsored charity walk, which will set off on 4th January 2010 from Catterick Garrison HQ and arrive into Aldershot Garrison on 29th January 2010.

    Now go ask David Cameron if he will compete?????

  134. 134
    Chapps says:

    OT- I see Ofsted has been caught out telling porkies to the high court about the baby P case.
    As the head of Ofsted is TONY Mc NUGOUT’s shag bag will she go.

    Like fuck she will, she’s bringing in all the money.

  135. 135
    Tiddly um pum pum stick your finger up your bum says:

    The only people who have actually voted for Brown are a few thousand Susan Boyle look-a-likies, who live in Scotland which has a separate Parliament to the British one – this cannot be any sort of good practice Democracy

  136. 136
    Eugenics Expert says:

    Faecal Finger of fate.

    Once Jonah McDoom jumped on the eco-bandwagon, the wheels were bound to come off.

    Serves the Greenie bastards right.

  137. 137
    Mr Ned says:

    Fight AC1?

    You would not be referring to a violent form of the ancient right of lawful rebellion would you?

    For that to be lawful, one will have to wait until after the election, unless one could show that the impending enactment of the Lisbon Treaty was, in some way, a foreign threat to our sovereignty and so that violent struggle was in the common interest and in the defence of a national self-interest and was done to prevent a greater crime.

    Personally, I would hope that the election of a government that would prevent the usurpation of our sovereignty would be enough to prevent violent struggle against foreign occupation.

    But who to vote for? Obviously we are agreed that Labour are a disgusting disaster of historical proportions, but who to replace them with? Conservative? Could they actually defend our sovereignty? After last Wednesday’s craven and cowardly capitulation to the EU, definitely NOT!

    B&P? Well they would definitely defend our sovereignty, but there is no way that we could de-program the BBC brainwashed masses to even entertain the idea of voting B&P. Even if Brown and Cameron sat down to eat live infants on live national TV, the BBC brainwashed masses would still prefer them to the B&P.

    That only leaves UKIP!

    If anyone else has a better idea, SPEAK UP QUICK!

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    763 says:

    I understand that as from 1st. December my address will be
    economic region 7, Transmanche, EU(SSR). Anybody know
    how i put that into my satnav ?

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    brown clown frown says:

    Is that called unintended consequences or just f*ckin stupidity by this so called goverment.

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    My money’s on those crafty Swedes.

    What with their enlightened social democracy and their bit torrent searching website lawsuits.

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    Engineer says:

    Erm, wrong.

    Of the people that visit this site, only a small proportion post comments. Most just read.

    It is said that senior politicians drop in occasionally, and the major parties monitor the comments posted – public opinion, innit. For those of us that leave comments, it’s a way to get our thoughts and opinions to people at the top of politics, which isn’t easy any other way.

    Some people are deadly serious about politics. Some of us, less so; but we still care deeply about our country and the way it’s going, but can see the funny side (chronic is brilliant at that). Some are trolls looking to disrupt and spin (hello, Master Baiter) and some are just nutters looking for a verbal scrap (hello, TaT). Quite a cross-section of society, mostly libertarian, mostly politically centrist or right-leaning (but not too far, or they’d fall over). Just ordinary people, really.

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    English Heretic says:

    We read comments from people who have something to say – unlike you.

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    Bob Page says:

    Control vs Freedom
    Regulation vs Responsibility

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    Gordon Brown says:

    So popular is Castro’s socialism that he has turned the island into a prison, locked up dangerous poets, not held an election in half a century and jailed dissident democrats.

    Note to self: Must resurch Kastro

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    But he’s a regular kinda guy

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    brown clown frown says:

    You won’t need a satnav soon,just ring up plod they will tell you where you are.

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    Hard E Charleswidge says:

    Corr!!! Is he getting it on with Ed? I used to fantasize about Lezzies, but the mixture of the Milibands and clapped out political theory!

    Well, I mean, who wouldn’t get excited!

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    A man in a red jacket with a horse and his pack of bloodthirsty slavering hounds says:

    Fucking great, hunting Brown for nearly 4 weeks – Tally-Ho!

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    1800 Cunliffe-Arsely says:

    World leaders aren’t doing anything about climate change, because we can’t reduce our carbon footprint enough to make any difference, just like the “ethical man”. I bet that they all know that. Even Cameron, now he’s taken his windmill down.

    And even if the weather’s shit and the thames barrier has to be rebuilt, its only a minor inconvenience to any western country (esp. if the farmers find something different to do).

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    English Heretic says:

    Oops, meant to reply to the mong not you Dr D.

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    Fred Goodwin's Duck Palace says:

    This man needs his own blog

    A tower of commonsense lost in a sea of mediocrity and partisan bleating

    You Sir, dare ask the questions no-one else has the guts to confront

    Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Usually it’s the ladies who lead this ennoblement business. Lady Waad would confirm from some of the social climbers and arrivistes she has to mix with in the course of her charitable work. The thought of being ‘Lady’ so-and-so goes to their head. So I’m surprised Her Exalted Purpleness Cherie Booth QC hasn’t prompted Tony to go for a title.

    If he accepted a KG he could be Sir Tony Blair, she could be a Lady and he still wouldn’t have to disclose his financial arrangements.

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    It's all Balls says:

    I wouldn’t worry about it – you’ll still end up stuck down a farm track somewhere in Gloucester with a little voice telling you to “take the next exit and turn around”.

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    Bunch of adults?

    You really see George ‘there’s a bright shiny sixoence in one of my two hands for the clever boy who can find it’ Osborne as the economic sage to row us out of this clusterfucking mess?

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    Nicholas says:

    I agree. Left wing “discussion” tends towards dogma and is not assisted by the tribal tendency of leftists to defend the same lies even when all the evidence is against them.

    Left wing blogsites freeze out dissent by ad hominem attacks and accusations against the right (q.v. Clive Davis). They foster a chummy club atmosphere where the only dissent is about nuances of the common ideology and purpose but which does not have to accommodate or engage with any disconcerting right wing disagreement. That disagreement is characterised as beyond the pale and if not actually racist then as “percolating racism” plus various other rote pejoratives habitually used to discredit, undermine or attack the right. Concern about mass immigration and patriotism, especially English patriotism, are conflated with racism for ideological purposes and to intimidate and silence opposition.

    The Left like to perceive themselves as progressives, as “insurgents” (ridiculously after 12 years of wielding heavy handed power) but their binding ideology is so dogmatic and rooted in a delusion of moral superiority that it has to be binding to all others too, by the cult of political correctness – a left wing construct – by coercion, by threats and by repressive legislation or regulation. In demonising political opponents they avoid the necessity of having to engage in debate and to persuade them by genuinely superior logic. This unwillingness to engage rather than face up to the reality of true political diversity pervades left wing thinking and may be seen in the left wing trolling on this blog and others. It deals in soundbites and mantra. It can be seen in Gordon Brown’s body language and responses in PMQs which are invariably hostile, aggressive, defensive and couched in the language of scorn and attack.

    For decades the Left have gained ground and power in Britain by turning the weakness of parliamentary and societal protocols to their advantage, exploiting and subverting them to subtly manipulate the narrative. A tendency in the British to bolshiness, envy and the conspiracy of mediocrity has been harnessed to bring about the socialist state.

    But now, just about, the genie seems to be out of the bottle and there is a widespread rumbling of New Labour’s dodgy premise, a growing dissatisfaction with the way political correctness has stifled debate and created no-go areas for societal issues. I hope that this continues and that the whole fake edifice of New Labour and all its works are brought crashing down. But it is not just about the party in government. The whole establishment infrastructure is infested with a vociferous and powerful minority of leftists who will continue to push their revolution using all means, foul or fair. Whether the right are up to engaging and destroying that, whether they are determined enough, concerted enough or savvy enough remains to be seen

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    Jon says:

    Labour have got the vile Micheal White out on the radio trying to smear Mrs Janes. They really will stoop to any depths though it’s hardly surprising when they are lead by sociopaths like Brown.

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    Engineer says:

    Try typing in – B O L L O C K S.

    Might not get you home, but you’ll feel better.

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    nell says:

    TaT has some very lucid moments and makes some very relevant points when he’s talking about independents.

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    Anonymous says:

    Tell him Markie

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    aspiring politician says:

    well we are half way there with the UAF recruiting in schools.

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    Killing your kids will be policy post-Copenhagen.

    Socialists: Genocide; it’s what we do.

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    Yes Che did take photos of the people he executed whilst invading their countries.

    Che is worse than Hitler, he saw what National Socialism did and emulated it.

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    aspiring politician says:

    McCarthy was right.

    Ronald McDonald was a commie.

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    tat says:

    not quite right engineer.
    we have had leftists implementing conservative policy.
    the worst of all worlds.

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    Engineer says:

    When in a tight spot, smear someone.

    Labour policy – it’s what they do – the default position.

    Political pygmies.

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    brown clown frown says:

    Will all major NHS hospitals with a heart trauma units on your route be informed or will you only be informing the private hospitals,make sure you give them your credit card number first,as administertive errors can cause grief,we can hope.

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    Marxist Postman says:

    You tell me, I’ve no idea at all why I am Home Secretary!

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Well, Cuba, actually. They also kind of tried it in Bolivia, but failed.

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    Budgie says:

    Wake up, you seem to have missed the last 12 years hard Labour.

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    THX 1138 says:

    You won’t need to – you will be chipped like a doggy.

    In any case travel and meeting other people will be verboten in the EUSSR.

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    Libertarian Future says:

    Funny how Sara Brown was thinking: ‘She will be all over the papers tomorrow! At last! Revenge!’ and Brown decides not to bow.Very funny. One thing though: Why is she wearing a comedy hat?

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    Engineer says:

    He does wrap it up well, though, doesn’t he! The blog’s master of Anglo-Saxon verbal padding!

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    Duracell says:

    I will refer the question to Mark Eting and Fin Anchell-Department. I will cc Pru Duction and I am sure that tehy will be able to come up with an answer to your question as I am also at abit of a loss.

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    dreaming of a less populated world says:

    Move somewhere cold or mountainous with variable to poor weather. That usually provides isolation from the riff raff and scum.

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    Fred Goodwin's Duck Palace says:

    Will little George take on Mervyn King and the BoE ?

    Because Mervs certainly not shy in slapping down Brown for his economic idiocies and that independent streak is unlikely to stop or be muzzled by the awesome gravitas and intellectual force of little George.

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    Old Man says:

    Always nice to be reminded who has been in charge for the last 12 years.

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    dreaming of a less populated world says:

    are they being ‘enriched’ by you on this visit dear sir?

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    tat says:

    thanks nell.
    engineer: you accuse others of lunacy. what sort of a lunatic comes here telling lies when it is all on the record?
    you do.
    you fucking nutter.

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    Engineer says:

    Hmmm……more like lefties trying to be populist and failing miserably.

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    Anonymous says:

    Someone forgot to tell Gorgon we don’t make cars any more.

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    Reg511 says:

    I have no arguement that politicians use Climate change

    ‘as a tool for the capitalists to block third world growth and the communists want to make us pay for it’

    this does not mean we are not facing a clear and present danger that the next generation will have to deal with, that is why the Gummint has ensured youngsters are given such a good education, innit

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    Mr Ned says:

    I’ve been complaining about it since the day after Brown made the Bank of England independent.

    I thought, oh fuck, here comes a MIGHTY national debt!

    It didn’t happen as quickly as I had forecast at the time, but as sure as night follows day, it arrived.

    After all, Brown had freed the banks to do the one thing that they are in existence to do…Look after our money!

    No sorry, just kidding. It’s not our money. it is the bank’s money, for they created and LOANED it into circulation in the first place.

    They are in existence to CREATE CREDIT! Fake, empty money created out of thin air from the click of a mouse and then interest is charged on top.

    Interestingly enough, it is only the capital amount lent that is actually created. The interest that is added on top is NEVER created, so loans cannot be repaid in full by design, UNLESS, there is further credit created.

    IT IS A CON!

    And labour unleashed a tsunami wave of it that saw the normal and “sustainable” levels of fractional reserves sky-rocket from the normal 9 – 1 up to 50 and 60 – 1.

    I knew that it would end in tears, and throughout this appalling labour maladministration, people were lauding the cretin Brown, for creating a mountain of debt, and then overtaxing it!

    People are waking up now. I wonder if they will wake up to the duplicity of the tories before it is too late too?

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    Something the MSM will ignore.

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    Tiddly um pum pum stick your finger up your bum says:

    will there be someone following you with a shovel?

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    Anonymous says:

    Bruin has asked Prudence to step into his office.

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    Mr Ned says:

    PP9s have a larger footprint. Apparently.

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    Mr Ned says:

    And if you lift the kilt and find a lying, untrustworthy bastard, it’s Alistair Campbell.

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    Big Busby is watching you! says:

    You have a mobile phone then they know exactly where you are any time of the day.

    And by they I mean almost anyone in power who can negotiate with the phone companies and provide even the flimsiest of excuses that an investigation or the information is warranted.

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    KAFKA'S GHOST says:


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    Anonymous says:


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    Engineer says:

    Ahhh….the Anglo-Saxon again. (Though strictly speaking, I believe the ‘f’ word is of Dutch origin, first used in this country in the 16th century.

    Don’t say I never teach you anything, TaT.

    No charge, on this occasion.

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    UK Fred says:

    Except for Robinson & Mandelson, Blair & Ecclestone, Blair & Bush into Iraq, etc, etc, etc.

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    I cannot believe even this government, and their poodle press, is stooping to smearing the mother of a dead soldier. Christ, he’s barely been in the ground a month. Don’t they realise what impact this will have in the rest of the military? How dumb are they?

    Theyr’e using every single media organ they can leverage to attack the mother of a soldier killed just weeks ago in their pointless little war, and they think this is their best tactic!

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    nell says:

    I said on a previous thread that gordon never forgets a slight and would now wheel out his spin and smear machine to discredit her.

    So here it comes with michael white at its head. Ian Austin, that nondescript nothing of an mp has also waded in saying that the sun is using her to score cheap party political points.

    Jacqui Janes isn’t being used by anyone. Neither is she making political points.

    In the midst of her grief she is harnessing the publicity surrounding the tragic death of her son to highlight the lack of equipment and shortage of troops in afghanistan. She is an extremely brave and honorable woman. Not something one could say about the smearers or gordon.

    Incidentally, it seems to me that the manner of her son’s death and the real cause of her deep anger is that her son could have lived. He bled to death because of the lack of medivac helicopters. This 20 year old died waiting for essential equipment that gordon can’t be bothered to provide.

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    CO2 is orthogonal to ethics. It’s an important gas in plant-food and a lagging indicator of ocean temperature and NOTHING ELSE.

    Don’t let the lefties at AlJaBeebya imply that living life your way is unethical.

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    Engineer says:

    Which Clan is it if you need a magnifying glass?

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    Boycott Israeli goods, it worked on Apartheid says:

    I thought Morgan and Reliants were hanging on in there

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    Capitalists want RICH people to buy their stuff, not keep people poor dickhead.

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    A Threat says:

    If White smears Mrs Janes,he will suffer harm,guaranteed,from the many many Army contacts that are NOT in Afgh’

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    typical x factor watcher says:

    I’ve been complaining about it since i lost my job and had the time on my hands to do some catching up on real world events.

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    nell says:

    I hope lots of people will write to her to tell her how brave she is being by taking on brown and highlighting the shamefull shortages of equipment and troops whilst also trying to come to terms with her grief.

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    Modern Leftism is rooted in Envy, Narcissism and Projection. They just don’t make nice interesting readable people.

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    typical x factor watcher says:

    wut lol

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    Dodgy Dave says:

    ‘Turn left, left and left again’. Right turns will have been abolished.

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    Anonymous says:

    Define “Regular” please.
    If it’s just “shits a lot” move on.

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    Some Mother's Do 'Ave 'Em says:

    That hat of Frau Brown’s belonged to Frank Spencer,surely?

    Says it all – comedy series about a man prone to one gaffe after another,causing mayem and misery all around…..Brown, I mean.

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    Anonymous says:


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    Mr Ned says:

    “Authoritarian federalists v Libertarian localists.”

    Correct, and I know which side I am on. Libertarian localist all the way. for that way is freedom init?

    The Authoritarian Federalists, or Unionists (as in European Union) are so sickeningly arrogant as to believe that they always know best and are the ONLY arbiters of truth, even as the evidence of their utterly incompetent fuckwittery mounts by the day into mountainous great edifices of empty and failed hubris.

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    McCarthy Appreciation Society - Salem Branch says:

    Good man that McCarthy! Some very sound ideas.

    If he had just yelled “A WITCH BURN HIM!” a bit more then he would have been unstoppable.

    and more hysterical screaming and swooning women
    they always went down a treat with the hard of thinking

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    Pravda reporting 5k jobs up the Swanee at Lloyds/HBOS

    Bet that’ll be all the Hunting masters of the universe that caused all the trouble, then

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    Mrs Shagbag-McNulty says:

    that’s the nicest thing anyone’s ever said to me.

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    1800 Cunliffe-Arsely says:

    So its completely transparent to IR too?

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    Arschloch Brown says:

    Sunday – make sure not to bow
    Monday – make sure purposely not to listen to translations of speeches at Berlin Wall

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    PE is always good for a laugh. Miss the parish vicar though, but I hear he might be making a comeback in Europe.

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    Tiddly um pum pum stick your finger up your bum says:

    Cherry Blair looks like she has had a face lift

    She still looks like a tranny

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    Brown's Downfall says:

    at this rate my popularity will be below Obama’s. at last, under Obama!

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    Fuck all lefties. says:

    They are not, they are CHANCERS, they merely pay lip service to the ideals they champion in order to gain more stupid cannon fodder to bolster their gangs to attack the evil right with.

    I have seen lefties be racist, homophobic, prejudiced, sneering at the poor.

    Scratch a left winger and you’ll find a hypocrite everytime.

    They will fall over themselves to defend someone like Jimmy Carr telling homophobic jokes or joking about pedophillia or taking the piss out of disabled people cause he’s ‘one of us’ a jolly good sort hooooorah.

    But will publically witch hunt people like Jan Moir just because she writes for a right wing newspaper.

    Look at the jokes Bush had to endure, soon as someone makes a joke about Obama they fall overthemselves in outrage…..HOW DARE YOU MAKE A JOKE ABOUT LORD OBAMA.

    Fukken sad acts.

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    Markie says:

    if you have to ask you can’t afford it.

    how often? when the mood takes me i.e. frequently

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Jobs going at Ericsson in W. Midlands, and guess who has visited the Factory?

    “ERICSSON today announced it is pulling nearly all its operations out of Coventry, with up to 700 city job losses. Staff at the Swedish firm’s new base at Ansty Park near Walsgrave have been given the devastating news. It’s a huge blow for the city’s hopes to develop its economy with advanced manufacturing jobs at Ansty Park.

    Ericsson became its first “anchor” tenant earlier this year and Prime Minister Gordon Brown paid a visit.”

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    Anonymous says:

    Gordon ..Gordon! its three thirty in the morning.Come to bed.” said Sarah.
    “I can’t” replied the deeply weary red eyed PM “I’m too busy”
    “Gordon,” said Sarah, “For the love of Peter- stop writing those poor mothers letters about their dead sons. Do it tomorrow. If you do it now you’ll mess it up again. Remember when you wrote ‘I am weeply surrey for I lost the
    Sun’? Do it when you’re not so tired.”

    “But I’m not writing letters now. I’m just a bit hungry and am trying to choose a biscuit. I’ll be up in about two hours.”

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    Anonymous says:

    Coventry looks like it hasn’t had a penny spent on it since the bombing

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    One day Marxist Postman - Next day Home Secretary, welcome to the madness of Broons Britain. says:

    ..and who is Sarah trying to kid with the working man’s titfer!

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    Gordon was sent to Coventry eh? Shame it didn’t last.

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    Engineer says:

    Facelift? Looks like they used a hydraulic jack under the chin.

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    The evidence. says:

    ‘I think I was trying to say Janes as your right name, maybe my writing looks bad but I was trying to say your right name. And I spelt Jamie right as well I understand.’

    One of the reason’s for my total hatred of this fool Brown,is his inability to accept that ANYTHING he does/says/writes is not correct.

    To ring this mother and then try to argue the toss on what was right/wrong is simply breathtaking. You say sorry,promise to do better next time and then move on.

    But not Brown – simply not in his psyche to do so,just as he remembers anyone who is against him.He has to ring Mrs Janes and argue – amazing.

    This will be one of the top 10 moments that will be used as evidence at his unsuitability for the role of Prime Minister.

    My handwriting is appalling and indeed I have just had an op’ to try to help my hand – but I can write a damn good letter typed on bloody good paper.The letter I write will have 100% correct spelling because I care about what I write.

    How can Mrs Janes ever keep Brown’s letter as some kind of help for her grieving?

    Brown was caught out and then caught out again with his bullying phone call.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Honda. Toyota and Nissan bang together the odd 100,000 cars.

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    Guns are illegal (for non-criminals) so why would we need them in Gun free U.K.??

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Am surprised to see so many supportive comments on the great leader on London Evening Standard Comment pages, I can only presume that he has done no wrong and that he has been stitched up like a kipper.

    The trouble is, I think that a load of monkeys have been firing off emails in support of Dr Brown, as they seem to be using very similar arguments about the mother’s actions shaming her late son’s memory. It is very, very odd.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Round baler, for hay, any idea how pathetic that is?

    Sir Double Double U, all mouth and no land.


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    Private Eye went shit when they subscribed to the Autism nonsense and AGW.

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    Fuck all lefties. says:

    They will say oooooh free speech, when it comes to Jimmy Carr making jokes about getting aids in the eye from walking past gay people having sex in the wooods.

    They will say free speech when you have mullahs shouting death the infidels and behead all those or insult islam.

    they will say free speech and right to protest when islamists spit on our soldiers marching in our towns.

    They will attack Jan Moir for making an obvious statement, what was Stephen Gatelys Husband doing with another man picked up from a nightclub while Stephen was dying in the front room.

    They will attack anyone who stands up to radical islamists

    They will attack and try to kill an elected mep because he is far right.

    These people need dealt with if our country has any chance to survive in the future, if they love Stalin and Mao so much lets treat them like Stalin or Mao would of and shoot them if they fail to comply with the re education programs.

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    National Y Front for the Liberation of the Folk of England says:

    One Folk, Folk all!

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Go there on a Saturday night if you want to see somebody spending a penny on it.

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    Witches aren’t real, however communists in Hollyweird were out to subvert the country.

    He found them. That’s why the left screams about McCarthyism to hide the truth. You swallowed the big lie, sucker.

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    tat says:

    that would be your clan engineer.

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    But that isn’t what the BBC says, or the zillions of emails they’re reading out, nor the waves of astroturf comments pouring over every message board in the country.

    In *that* world, Gordon is a sincere man who has bad luck, and Mrs Janes is an evil crackwhore in the pay of Rupert.

    What I wonder is this. What do Jamie Janes mates’ in his unit think of Gordon Brown smearing his mum?

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    nell says:

    The comments are all being made by labour trolls paid by no.10. All coming out of the spin and smear budget , claimed on expenses from the taxpayer.

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    Cassandra King says:

    The BBC love Cuba under that wicked old tyrant Castro, the true popularity of the ultimate socialist state can be measured only when ordinary people are given a free vote on whether they want to remain a part of the ‘peoples socialist workers paradise’, given a free vote the Cuban voter would boot out Castro and his gang in short order, the fact that these socialist dictators have no wish to hold free elections tells you everything you need to know about the ultimate socialist state!

    Castro rules by the gun/torture chamber/prison/street thugs and this rule lasts only as long as he denies his people a free vote, any time you hear a BBC/leftist praise the workers paradise just point out the simple fact that a free vote would see Castro voted from office and into a courtroom.

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    tat says:

    have you been at the sherry again engineer?

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    Bunk Science says:

    By reducing CO2 levels, you fuck up the earth, weather patterns and vegetation, that is the hidden purpose of climate change.

    The planet needs lots of CO2 to survive.

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    nell says:

    gordon with his attempted smearing is turning a crisis into a disaster that could run for days and will just keep focussing our attention on the shortages in afghanistan.

    In the end it will all rebound on him yet again.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Just had another look for the ES comments on the story, they all appear to be removed.

    Has someone tipped off the Standard about Trolls?

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    Bunk Science says:

    *hidden purpose of climate change initiatives

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    Sinister says:

    The bunker men have taken control of the internet and ALL media – started over the weekend and will continue until they are demolished in the GE.

    Bloody bloody sinister.

    Guido,if you need help in London – office duties or anything,let me know.I am unemployed but am ready to help out.

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    You know what finally tripped the most obedient and wealthy Communists to finally rise up and overthrow the East German State?

    Remember, they had jobs for life, free school, free pensions, free houses and cheap beer.

    I do know. Trust me, we are close to it here.

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    Gordon is a moron says:

    NLJD – No Logic Just Diatribe

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    They’re not trolls. Trolling is a decent and time-honoured practice. These are astroturfers. Paid fakes.

    Let’s be clear on the terminology as I couldn’t stand this being called “trollgate” when it breaks. Astrogate?

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    Votes for Ropes says:

    The B&P wouldn’t mess around with the BBC. they’ed just hang the fuckers.

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    backwoodsman says:

    Mr Ned, you are rapidly becomming a pain in the scrotum, parroting ukip, squark, ukip.
    Cameron accepted the reality of the situation and has a reasonable chance of trying to improve it. ukip are so far off the radar of the average scrote in the street, it is delusional to even mention them.

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    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    Charge much, did they?

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    Cassandra King says:

    The same phrases appear again and again ‘I am no fan of Brown BUT’ is the most popular heading for the nulab trolls in the DM.

    The similar structure of the posts is pretty obvious isnt it, did the wonks at the newlabour digital engagement HQ not realise that the stench of trolls can be smelled a mile away?
    Its obvious that this is a concerted effort directed from the DE comissars to control and manipulate the message, of course it looks and feels as genuine as a Chinese made Rolex but never mind the quality feel the width Eh?
    When it comes out that the newlabour fuckwits have been plastering the net with faked up messages of support for Brown I wonder who will be the head commissar behind it all??

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    Remember Enzo the baker in the Godfather? You could do that…

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    It’s the home of the unions… why invest any money THERE?

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    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    I wouldn’t want Cuban Marxists running around my naval base, either.

    If I had one.

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    Cassandra King says:

    Aaaah OK then its astroturfers then!

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    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    Nah, I saw Michael Moore’s film on Cuba’s healthcare, place looks awesome.

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    Engineer says:

    Not before The Sun is over the yard-arm, TaT.

    Prefer vintage Port, by the way. Or Marston’s Pedigree.

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    SO17 says:

    The world has finite resources.The capitalist west knows the world cannot sustain OUR standard of living throughout the planet.
    Capitalism also needs poor people to make all the plastic shit at Primark prices.
    Climate change is a tool to knobble emerging economies so they never will all have cars,refrigerators and all the other shit we take for granted.

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    stilyagi_air_corps says:

    I couldn’t have put it any better than you just did, Nicholas, and gods know I’ve tried!I remember having a piece returned by the Speccie years ago, when I sent them an ‘Omigod, thery’re all authoritarian student Commies! Just look at the evidence!’ rant about Neo-Labour. Gramsci and his techniques are in the public domain now – just as the fax machine helped bring down the hard socialists in the East, the netbook and blog have blown the spiel of the ‘soft’ Marxoids and their Tankie brethren in the West… and not a moment too soon, judging by the state our Democracy is in!

    Don’t forget toregister to Vote!

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    “Her son was a hero whose memory is being sullied by his mother’s actions. He joined up knowing what sacrifice he might have to make and I can only imagine he would be ashamed of his mother’s behaviour now. I know she is mourning, but she must know what she is doing. And the Sun is back up to its usual, ethically dodgy standards of journalism. Reminds me of why the population of Liverpool turned on it when it failed to respect the dignity of the families and of the dead during a football crowd catastrophe a few years back.”

    This is one of the twists in the ES comments section, the mother is slapped down for debasing her late son’s memory. Then she is also damned for being associated with The Newspaper Which Lied Over Hillsborough.

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    got a good car museum

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    BLOODY HOONS says:

    Come in Adbul and Jamal let us take care of everything, don’t worry about the english they don’t mind starving and being deprived so you can have what you want.

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    I found out from a friend that the British Forces medics lacked something as simple as medical oxygen during the removal of Saddam from power in GW2!!!

    Totally under-resourced. Totally Gordon’s fault.

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    Gordon is playing with fire.

    Two things you cannot take the piss out of with squaddies; their regiment, and their mothers.

    Out in Afghanistan they will be reading this. They will see Gordon smearing the mother of a dead soldier, for political gain.

    Gordon’s chickens are going to come home to roost, in a full metal jacket.

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    The Ape man commeth says:

    The most sickening thing about the whole silly biscuit affair was the attempt, even after the damage limitation squad/focus group had been called in to work out the best reply (important work for HM gov) was that they couldn’t help falling into their default position of a patronising response. You can picture the whole dreary conversation was lifted when some fresh faced/arsed wannabe hoon piped up with “I know let’s say anything with chocolate! Women like chocolate so it’ll be bound to hit a soft spot somewhere”. Patronising, paternalistic, penny pinching, pig faced, puke brained, punts. Did I mention patronising cause that’s what they do.

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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    Mmm, I might just pop round for a fairy cake

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    Nope, but the upper atmosphere isn’t warming as it “should be”*

    *”Should be” means if the computer models weren’t bunk.

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    LOL'd at blind brown says:

    I see Master De Bater and his mates have been roped in and forced at gunpoint to the newspapers websites to comment and mark up comments about Gordon Brown and how nasty it is to attack him.

    The internet has been blissfully had sweet peace from most of the usual suspects for a few hours today.

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    Rubbish. The resource that creates wealth is the reciprocal exchange of time.

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    autistic and believes in AGW ?

    “And there’s an environmental cost for being dependent on oil. When we’re burning carbon, it creates greenhouse gases, which is an issue that we need to deal with.”

    that’s George Bush that is
    he’s your hero

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    Come on Murdoch get serious says:

    Someone has surely got to find out who is employing these trolls and how much they are getting paid, one of the papers should do an undercover investigation it would be pure gold as well just before the election to reveal Labours dirty tactics of paying people to troll websites and spout propaganda.

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    A witch! burn him! says:

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    Engineer says:

    As AC1 would say, projecting again….

    How are your 10BA nuts, by the way, TaT?

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    1800 Cunliffe-Arsely says:

    Mr Bunk: theres no damn way the levels of CO2 are going to get down to their 1980 levels, never mind their 1800 levels. So that conspiracy theory doesn’t even get off the starting blocks.

    Go on anti. URL.
    Hope its better than that shite about the world getting cooler over the last 10 years.

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    Anonymous says:

    I just can not see anyone knowing about the military not associating the surname “Janes” with military.

    It has to be the most associated name with the military ever.

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    Gordon's_Knotted_Underpants says:

    Another Poor Gordon Skit (I know you like them really):

    Gordon: You know Sarah – I think its my surname that’s jinxed, not I . Why don’t I change my surname to something else beginning with “B” ? ………How about Bennett?

    Sarah: No – that sounds like a bad idea to me.

    Gordon: Why’s that? Because it sounds like millionaires and yachts, which won’t suit my 2-up 2-down party credentials?

    Sarah: No silly, merely you would keep spelling it wrong.

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    backwoodsman says:

    I C B , I think many of us here would broadly fall into the same category as you. As a libertarian, it is the unending manipulative control freakery of nulab , which leads me to believe they must be destroyed. Rather like a noxious weed, the roots need to be pulled out and burnt.

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    Anonymous says:

    We see about as much of the profits from those as Chinese schoolkids do from Nike trainers.

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    Lord Rogers-Fellowes says:

    There’s always a welcome at Stroke Bottom.

    Especially fond of those well-meaning, working class wallahs one used to come across in certain public conveniences. Salt of the earth. Didn’t have much conversation of course. Grunted a lot.

    Know the type?

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    Izalb O'Groll says:

    And the paper they use leaves ink on your arse.

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    backwoodsman says:

    ..and their willing tool, ladies & gentlemen, I give you the bbc

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    STOP Union Funding of Labour! says:

    Why are the unions allowed to fund the Labour Party!

    They took soviet funds, and probably still do – IT MUST STOP NOW!!!!

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    Anonymous says:

    Naval base? It’s a Concentration Camp innit? Courtesy of that nice Dubya nirk.

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    Lenny the Dip says:

    My Trabbant has just doubled in value. Someone left a 5p piece on the seat.

    I have to open the doors to let the clutch out and always carry a bucket filled with water to dip my headlights. No indicators hence perfect for driving in Bradford as the gang’s getaway car.

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    STOP Union Funding of Labour! says:

    If the unions were stopped from funding these hoons they wouldn’t be able to afford a feckin etch a’ sketch.

    Stop union funding of Labour NOW!

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    Eco-Dave says:

    you’d best tell windmill Dave about this big hoax every respectbale scientific body in the world believes in because he didn’t have a photoshoot at a Norweigian Glacier with huskies for nothing

    Dave’s fully signed up to and believes in man made global warming

    something to do with him winning an election and living in the real world and not the one far-right nutters like Sarah Palin and their neoconservative moronic ilk inhabit

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    SO17 says:

    By the way did you call me a ‘Dickhead’?

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    Anonymous says:

    £3K each so far. More, much more to come.

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    Anonymous says:

    window lickers

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    Anonymous says:

    As usual you don’t actually post anything of any substance and resort to namecalling and insults Jonty – what’s the matter, the idea of a proper debate frighten you?

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    STOP Union Funding of Labour! says:

    Guido must be looking into this surely??

    Time to bring down the lying tosser once and for all Guido, get sniffing and let’s have it out in the open.

    I smell a big story here!!

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    Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

    Wr are already half way there, the wilds of the Belgian Ardennes!

    It is fantastic, the people are polite and friendly; except that bitch in the village Marie(town hall) who I just gave a good battering because she still had not sent my dossier of to Brussels.

    As i say to African friends over here:

    ‘Don’t complain to me about racisim, I am a white English hippy in Europe!’

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    DelBoy says:

    Chairman Bruin said last night that the people power in pulling down the Berlin Wall etc. gave us all hope.

    What are we waiting for? He has given us the green light.

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    Scouser's Smile says:

    Took a lot of traction to get her arse to that position.

    Did she always have a beard? We need a BEFORE and AFTER picture. How about a ‘spot the difference’ competition?

    13-F. Bugger, you got one of my helicopters! Don’t want to play this game any more.

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    STOP Union Funding of Labour! says:

    NLJD = New Labour Jissum Drinker

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    McGroom says:

    The Conservatives have to grow some balls and start exposing this stuff. The immigration debate got stifled by Tory inability to establish that controls are not racist.

    Cameron must know all the half truth techniques of New labour and he should stop fighting them with the same sword.

    Start exposing these seditious wormtongues

    it’s easy………..

    Big Government (or more likely no governemnt) vs. self determination


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    Cheese & Tomato Sandwich says:

    I thought unions were pickled in vinegar and only came out at Christmas.

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    Mr Ned says:

    backwoodsman, What the fuck are YOU doing to defend our sovereignty?

    You state that Cameron has accepted the reality of the situation. Sure he has, and then he decided to cravenly and cowardly capitulate and surrender OUR sovereignty. He mouthed platitudes to our sovereignty and offered NOTHING ACHIEVABLE by way of action. NOTHING!

    Everything he said he would do would require the agreement of all 26 other heads of state. Many of them have already stated that there is NO WAY that they will agree to Cameron’s demands. he will spend five years bitching from the sidelines, whilst every last shred of our independence is stripped away from our democratic accountability and handed over to the third sector. (meaning we are all still forced to pay for it through our taxes, but multi-national corporations make the money from it!)

    SO, the ACTUAL reality of the situation is that Cameron is LYING to you and is going to sell us out IN EXACTLY the SAME way that Labour has.

    THAT is the reality of the situation.

    UKIP may well be way off the radar, but that does NOT alter the fact that they are the ONLY party that WILL defend our sovereignty.

    Cameron’s position is utterly UNREALISTIC.

    Now Backwoodsman, how are you going to react to that reality? Bitch and moan that labour has sold us out and then vote to SUPPORT that sell out by voting Conservative? For that IS the reality.

    This is about our SOVEREIGNTY backwoodsman and labour and the tories are pissing that away and REFUSING to ask our permission to do so.

    THAT is the reality!

    The OTHER reality is the fact that there are more people in the UK that are pissed off with this than there are supporters of labour and the tories COMBINED.

    Now you can get on board and help to save our soveriegnty, or you can piss and moan and be part of the problem!

    Because it is craven and cowardly defeatism that bitches and moans at labour for selling us out, then behaves like a coward to support that sell out by voting conservative.

    You demean yourself and your country and the millions of servicemen who have died for OUR freedom and sovereignty by voting for this supine sell out on the EU!

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    South of the M4 says:

    I would think that her son, and the rest of his regiment, would have been proud of his mothers actions standing up to Brown. She has shown more courage than 640 ish MP’s.

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    tat says:

    asked the man with the acorn sized penis.

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    Anonymous says:

    Yup and his pal in Richmond – Zac Goldsmith.

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    Master Baiter says:

    That’s a self effacing joke right.
    Please say that’s a joke.

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    tat says:

    said the window licker.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Double double U is a sham.
    All mouth and no land.


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    GB Phone Home says:

    Where can I by a John Bull pritning kitt? Potato or lino cutting needs somethin shrap and nursey wont let me have that ju stin case.

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    Lurker says:

    If Merv is so shit hot at economics why are his printing presses going like the clappers and the public finances in such a state?
    Slapping down Brown? Don’t make me laugh. More like “yes Gordon no Gordon, Housing bubble? Great idea!”
    Another one who needs to be clearing his desk come June.

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    Squarebullet says:

    Somebody is working very hard on emails for the media: a storm is coming for the election as desperate Lieborers will do anything to keep their jobs/XXXXL troughs.
    The sympathy route is being worked up tremendously, along with Brown’s ‘principalled’ nature and homely shyness, plus disability.
    Have some spin doctors been viewing X Factor/ Big Brother seeing how ugliness and lack of talent can generate popularity? We might just be getting a P.M. who is really of his time, propelled by a totally corrupt and intellectuaaly bankrupt media.

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    Master Baiter says:

    This is the politics of envy.


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    paranoid nutters says:

    The ‘plants’ are in fact communist humanoid robots developed by Honda and the Chinese many years ago and have been importerd and paid for from a secret fund started by Arthur Scargill and the Bankers.

    These plants are EVERYWHERE!
    They planted them in British Society during the Blair years and that’s how he won.

    The risible alternative, that anyone could possibly disagree with The Sun, Murdoch or Conservatives, is simply too preposterous and lunatic a conspiracy to contemplate.
    It’s like something from Kenny Everret comedy sketch.
    They expect us to believe THAT ?

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    The IMF are coming says:


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    Anonymous says:

    You into nearly dead old blokes? I have seen your website!

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    Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:


    my underst

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    Master Baiter says:

    Stick to the Turnips!

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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    I like anything salty duckie

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    Master Baiter says:

    Verily, forsooth!

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    justjag says:


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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    I say Baiter boy, get back on your PC and send those messages of support for Gordon – Later you can suck up to me duckie

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    Anonymous says:

    NLJD = Guido stirring up the commenters.

    Bit like bidding on your own eBay auction.

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    Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:


    my understanding is that one day 51% of the people excepted the status quo and the other 49% wanted freedom.

    The next day 51% of the people wanted freedom whilst 49% accepted the status quo.

    Personally I believe it is that simple. Consciousness rules

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    Anonymous says:

    Whatever the crap over arching political leaders say, they set people against people – it’s the ordinary bloke and woman that get sucked into their stupid wars – Blair, Brown, Bush, Castro – whoever. It’s not them who pay the price, ever.
    The ordinary Joe in Kabul, Baghdad, New York, London are the ones that pay.

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    Engineer says:

    I wouldn’t walk under oak trees if acorns were that big. Guaranteed concussion. Or indeed, split skull.

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    Sir William Waad says:

    “Gordon – it’s four in the morning and you’re keeping me awake with your tossing and turning.”
    “I cannae help it Sarah” (pulls face that Sarah fortunately cannot see in the dark) “We’re in sic’ a fankle that I keep dreaming yon wee scunner Cameron has won the Election.”
    “Leave it to me Gordon.”
    So Sarah picks up her phone from the bedside and taps a few keys. After a while a sleepy voice replies.
    “Dave? Is that you? Gordon thinks you’re going to win the Election.”
    She switches the phone off and turns to Gordon. “Now you go to sleep and let him worry.”

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    jgm2 says:

    Bad as it is Gordon would prefer any distraction from the fact that he has completely fucked up the UK economy and even the man from Fitch is saying that the only thing preventing a down-grading is the expectation that some adults will be in charge in six months time.

    All the time that those choice quotes from the IMF and the ratings agency are hidden from the voters then he’s free to squander another 200bn in an effort to collapse the economy just as Dave takes power. It’s pure evil at work.

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    Master Baiter says:

    It’s the real economy, stupid.

    Even the Conservitudes have stepped in to line on stimulus measures, the dimwits.


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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    A bullet in the back of the head, that’s what Moa liked.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Doing a fine job!

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    SO17 says:

    A greaving parent being exploited to further the cause of a third party.
    A bit like the road safety industry.
    A mother whose son dies on the road suddenly becomes the font of all wisdom parroting the ‘Speed Kills’ mantra. justifying this money making scam.
    PVT Janes mum is just hysterical and being used by the Sun so her concerns should be ignored.

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    jgm2 says:

    They can’t afford it as it is. The Labour party is 10’s of millions in debt. The astro-turfers media assault on the tax-payer is being funded by the tax-payer. Those recruited to flood the media will be using government resources and public money.


    The Labour Party is as bankr*pt as the UK.

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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    We at Nu Labour always listen to our scientific advisors, the we butt-fuck them!

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    Anonymous says:

    OT – Mike Naylor is doing his best defending the indefensible over on Toenails blog – nine posts made between 2-59 and 3-16.

    Wish my secretary could type that fast.

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    Master Baiter says:

    It’s a fight for the centre, Cameo has had to pander too much to the right. Where has all the cuddly stuff gone?


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    Wow really? He’s my hero? Not really, he’s just a much better option than AlGor and JoKerry were.

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    National Y Fronts for the Liberation of the Folk of England says:

    One Folk, Folk all!

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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    I said back to your PC, we have to send our messages of support for Gordon. After the ES you must go back to The Sun.

    Don’t make any spelling mistakes this time, people are beginning to think Gordon is sending them to himself.

    Later you can suck my helmet.

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    Fred Goodwin's Duck Palace says:

    little George has already signed up to as much quantatitave easing as the BoE deems fit

    The Governor of the Bank of England has criticised UK banks’ lack of reform despite “breathtaking” taxpayer support.

    Speaking to a gathering of Scottish businesses representatives in Edinburgh, Mervyn King called for banks to separate their retail businesses from riskier areas of operation, such as the high risk trading once the preserve of investment banks.

    His argument hinged on the dangers of banks becoming too big to fail by resuming the kind of activities that resulted in the current financial crisis but nevertheless remaining candidates for government support because collapse would be unthinkable.

    Mr King challenged the view that regulation and bigger capital buffers could replace “real” reform in the UK banking sector and made it clear that he believes taxpayer support should be reserved for retail banking operations, such as the protection of consumer deposits.

    Summing up, he said: “Anyone who proposed giving government guarantees to retail depositors and other creditors, and then suggested that such funding could be used to finance highly risky and speculative activities, would be thought rather unworldly. But that is where we now are.”

    Mervyn King, the governor of the Bank of England, has launched a blistering attack on Britain’s banks, describing the £1tn government support given to them as “breathtaking”.

    In an outspoken speech last night, in which he made his clearest call yet for the banks to be broken up, King warned that the British people will be paying for the cost of the financial crisis for a generation.

    “To paraphrase a great wartime leader, never in the field of financial endeavour has so much money been owed by so few to so many. And, one might add, so far with little real reform,” he said.

    Brown who made such a mess of regulation and the Tripartite system thinks the opposite

    do keep up

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    Laban Tall says:

    I am no fan of Brown BUT I do think he’s getting the rough end of the pineapple over this one.

    Mrs Janes has every right to kick him over his spelling. I just don’t think we should all be joining in. He was trying to do the decent thing, however incompetently.

    She also has every right to slap him around over the shortage of casevac helicopters – and that’s something we SHOULD all be kicking him for.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Don’t worry Cameo can be stopped, that’s an iron clad, cast iron certainty.


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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:


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    One applies to others and one applies only to oneself, is it any wonder than Narcissistic Lefties (amongst others) would choose the one that applied to other people?

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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    We at the Labour party will supply everyone with our NUSatLab – If you keep taking U-Turns you can get wherever you want by only going left.

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    No, it’s a fact. That’s why it inevitably fails and takes the economy with it.

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    THX 1138 says:

    Just a cut’n’paste from the list of Fuhrer Bunker approved press lines.

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    Sorry. Got a bit annoyed repeating myself correcting economic fallacies again.

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    Frodo Mandelson and the Ring of Power says:

    That would be pickled unions toy chump – BEND-OVER

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    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:


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    Lurker says:

    Hello Mrs King!
    Merv certainly talks a good game I’ll give you that but what has he actually done about the mess we are in and his part in getting into it.
    That speech you quote can be summed up as “Hello? Is that a stable door I hear?”
    Seems his “slapping down” of Brown and his “independent streak” is about as effective as pissing on a bonfire.
    I agree that Brown caused the mess, but Mervyn should have been the one to take the car keys off him when he’d had one too many.
    He sat back and thought of his pension like the rest of them. Come June he can hopefully enjoy it

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    Bob Page says:

    I think Reliant Robins are no longer in production.

    British cars have become like Swiss watches – Handmade, niche and only people as rich as Peter Mandelson can afford them.

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    Anonymous says:

    Looks like Sarah’s giving the old bag daggers. what’s she done I wonder. Playing First Lady?

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    SO17 says:

    But it was so predictable thats what is the problem about this issue.
    The predictability of stupidity.
    We can all predict there will be more of this shit from Brown and his mates.
    What I can also predict is that as long as Brown has a hole in his ass he wouldn’t make the same fuck ups when it comes to minority groups.

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    Mike Huntstinks says:

    As I’ve said before, it might be true that Cameron could lose, but no way to that born fuckwith loser Brown. Cameron could propose to ban or tax shagging and it wouldn’t be as much as a vote loser to the Tories as Brown is to Labour. He is toxic.

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    Gordon Brown says:


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    A fly on the bunker wall in a philosophical mood says:

    One could speculate on what happened in Browns earlier incarnation to put him in this position.A man whose whole life has been geared to achieving the highest office,and when he does succeed,it turns into a nightmare of unimaginable horror.Every touch brings disaster,every utterance a faux pas,every movement a spasmodic contortion.A man for who the rest of his life, will be an object of scorn,derision and hatred.And after,his name will be a byword for ruination and selfish ambition,that will never be forgotton.
    The moral implications of the tale have probably already been set to one of the great literary works of man,i’m not that knowledgeable enough to quote one,but there is something deeply fundamental in the parable.What sin did he commit to be returned to live out this story?

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    TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

    Another first time poster supporting Bruin.
    There is definitely a pattern to this!

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    Mike Huntstinks says:

    The simple fact is that he is cack-handed at everything he does. It stems partially from arrogance and partially from complete social inadequacy. I certainly don’t doubt he’s geniunely sorrowful about soldier deaths – he’s just a useless communicator, cannot play in a team, never admits a mistake, and so on and so on….

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    DelBoy says:

    The story I heard was that the lad was badly injured in an IED and then they got ambushed and had to firefight out. He was medevacked in a helicopter by died en route. There was no link between the ‘copter and the death and no avoidable delay.

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    Mike Huntstinks says:

    Hear, hear

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    Jon says:

    “I’m no fan of Brown but……..”

    Publicly-paid, full-time Labour apparatchiks have been trolling the comments pages of various blogs and newspaper sites all day posting tons of crap like that.

    People are beginning to notice and it’s starting to backfire on Brown and his gang.

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    McGroom says:

    Dear Baster Baiter

    Cameron could be caught shagging the Queens Corgis and still beat Brown

    Brown = a few sheep short in the top paddock

    If you want Brown to win, stop him talking and meeting people

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    Mike Huntstinks says:

    The using is mutual – she feels she’s doing good by getting this stuff noticed and good luck to her. What you say doesn’t change the fact Brown was/is/always will be cack-handed

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    Marcel Marceau says:

    No, that’s Prescott’s chipolata.

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    Engineer says:

    “I am no fan of Brown but….”

    The trolls have arrived.

    One of the most thoughtful comments I’ve heard on this so far was by someone interviewed on WATO (can’t remember who it was, now). The comment was that this is typical of Brown – a good intention spoilt by incompetence. He set out to write a letter of condolence to the mother of a fallen soldier – OK, good intention. But he then produced something that looked like a hastily-scrawled shopping list, full of spelling mistakes and crossings out. If a letter of condolence is to mean something, it should at least look like someting you mean – something you’ve put a bit of thought into, something you care about, not something scrawled in a spare moment.

    It’s a microcosm of this whole government. Good intention, glossy announcement, then forget it and move on to the next headline-grabbing political stunt. No attention to detail. No basic competence at the unglamorous but oh-so necessary basic management. Not delegating the things they aren’t good at. And when it all goes wrong, smear someone.

    It wasnae ma fault, ye unnerstan’.

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    JH says:

    Brown is totally unsuited to high office.

    The man is a scheming, devious sociopath who cares about nothing other than his own monstrous and vindictive ego.

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    SO17 says:

    An example of a letter Gordon Brown would never ever have written.

    ‘Dear mrs Lorense,
    Sory to hear about the death of your son steven at that bus stop’

    You can tell an enemy when you can predict the way they will treat you.

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    Jethro says:

    189 – No. Read one on Phimosis once, though, after someone told me I was tight. Didn’t help much.

  371. 371
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    My life has been a nightmare since the demise of Woolworths. Oh I could go on for hours, and often do.

  372. 372
    Engineer says:

    You’re not allowed to have wind any more. It exacerbates Climate Change.

  373. 373
    jgm2 says:

    I don’t think Brown gives a shit about anybodys death. This was a man who had only to walk out of Blair’s cabinet along with Robin Cook and he’d have brough Blair down. But he made a calculated decision to hang in their for his turn at the wheel like he imagined Blair had promised him. Or, even if Blair genuinely had promised him, like he believed a fucking word that came out of Blair’s mouth.

    Nope. Brown went along with the insane war in Iraq purely to keep his political ambitions alive as did all the other bastards in Blair’s cabinet.

    And his ambition has been rewarded. He know gets to preside over the economic and social clusterfuck of his own making. Which would be just fucking perfect karma except the other 60 million of us have to live through it too.

  374. 374
    solopolis says:

    Replace him with me.

    And here is a brief summary of my manifesto.

    1. Up yours Brussels. You can give out directives as much as you like, I propose that we, the United Kingdom ignore them forthwith.

    2. Unfortunately, we’re stuck in the EU at the moment, and we hand over a load of cash to subsidise large piss-poor parts of it. That stops now. Sorry Ukraine, sorry Bulgaria, charity begins at home.

    3. The country’s finances are in a mess. Time to sort it out with…
    3a. No more than 3x salary mortgage lending.
    3b. No bonuses to state bailed bankers until the money provided by the taxpayer has been repaid. In full, and with interest. By the way RBS, don’t go shafting your customers just to release the governments grip. I’ll be watching.

    4. No more increases in credit card limits. Stop the boom of debt.

    5. More nuclear power stations. Stop us being held to ransom in 10 years time by the Russians when our North Sea gas reserves run out.

    6. 15% rate of income tax across the board. No higher rate, no lower rate. Pure and simple.

    7. National Insurance contributions for an individual to be ringfenced into their own account. Make it a safety net. If you work, save and lose your job, you can drawdown on your NI account. The more you pay in, the more you get when you retire. The longer you work, the better your retirement.

    8. Abolish the age 65 compulsory retirement.

    9. Can’t work? Why not?

    10. Responsibility for your own actions. Get caught burgling? You’ll pay it back out of your own pocket plus compensation, and public humilation. I was thinking of Birching.

    10A. Responsibility for your own children. Can’t feed it? Don’t breed it.

    11. NHS. Less administrators, more nurses. No more “sideways promotions” for incompetent staff. Can’t do the job? Demoted or P45 in the worse cases.

    12. MPs and House of Lords. Put MPs on performace related pay. Abolish the Whips. Elected HoL or “Senate”.

    13. Multi-culturalism. Abolish it. Its crap and serves only to create a “lowest common denominator” nation. Sorry peoples, Britain can’t afford to be all things to all men.

  375. 375
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    and here was me thinking that the chaps of the Nazgul-ag were just sniffing your ring….

  376. 376
    resurgemus says:

    It’s the economy and you’d better speak nicely to Mr Osborne or you won’t get paid.

  377. 377
    SO17 says:

    Oh, thats ok AC1 I just get a bit confused with all the insults flying around here sometimes. lol

  378. 378
    GO says:

    Fuck off back to Brown’s bunker ‘delboy’ you lying Labour-turd, and fucking stay there until we tell you you can come out.

  379. 379
    jgm2 says:

    Let us suspend disbelief for one moment and imagine that the sole purpose of writing these letters was genuinely to express sympathy to a grieving relative. Let us imagine that Gordon Brown who never utters a single word without it having some partisan political purpose was not actually expecting news of these hand-written letters to ‘leak’ so that folk would credit him with the shred of humanity he obviously lacks. Let us forget for one momentthat he eventually had to ‘leak’ the fact that he wrote these letters himself to try and kid on he gave a shit.

    Let’s just imagine he was genuinely expressing his sympathy with a hand-written letter. And let’s suppose he was PM and so couldn’t devote as much time as he’d liked to have and he made the odd spelling error but figured the recipient would rather get something than nothing at all.

    Okay. I’ll bite.

    Now, suppose one of the recipients was less than pleased at your slap-dash efforts – what would a normal person do?

    He’d apologise. Unreservedly.

    It’s a no-brainer.

    Mrs Janes I am so profoundly sorry to have upset you at this time. This was not my intention, it was thoughtless of me,I should have made the time to get it right etc etc.

    BUT NO!

    It’s all – You fucking muppet I did spell his surname right. And even if I didn’t I got his first name right. And anyway what about my feelings? Nobody cares how I feel etc etc… Blind in one eye me you know… etc etc Although he pays his proxy apologists to go down that route.

    No fucking empathy at all.


  380. 380
    Master Baiter says:

    What about Cameo and Osborne’s agreement to the continuation of QE (quantitative easing)? Every developed country is pursuing stimulus measures.

    Another wonderful reverse in direction from the clueless pair.


  381. 381
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    blimey, you don’t think that Gorgo ever picked up a copy of Jane’s Fighting Ships do you? He’s been doing his best to make sure that we’ve got next to nothing to put in there. If the Royal Navy saves up for a year, they might just be able to afford the diesel to get a new Type-50 out of Pompey harbour before turning back.

    Where are our new aircraft carriers?

  382. 382
    FG says:

    Read this “profile of the sociopath”. It will tell you all you need to know about Gordon Brown:

  383. 383
    Anonymous says:

    That’s cows

  384. 384

    Socialism is always fabulously popular in countries which aren’t allowed a free vote on it. Or so we are told by the media outlets in those places, for some reason.

  385. 385
    bandersnatch says:

    I long ago decided I wouldn’t pay for normal political journalism online.
    FWIW – The only people I might possibly pay for are Matthew Parris: for any column he chooses to write, Ben Goldacre: for his wonderful countering of all types of non-scientific bollox in reports by ignorant, mathematically illiterate supposed science or medical correspondents, and the stunning, never-to be-forgotten cartoons of Steve Bell.

    I am amongst the mad few who subscribe to both the Staggers and the Speccie, and regularly log on to Guido’s website as well. Hmmmm… Would I pay for Guido (possibly… ouch). I confess to being particularly saddened at the dumbing down of the Staggers… Maybe G is right about the firing of the adult reporters… I don’t know about that, but I agree it is no longer a mag for grown ups since the latest makeover about six weeks back…

    “Lo we turn to the Gentiles”… It is apparently going for a new tranch of readers: those blessed with two digit IQs and a limited ability to decipher text. Whatever your politics, for a magazine that once printed thoughtful articles making the case for social democracy this is a sad state of affairs.

  386. 386
    Inspector Cyril Blake says:

    nah, some trannies can look quite good, but Cherie Blur has never looked good. Magwitch looks good compared to Cherie-Antoinette!

  387. 387
    Master Baiter says:

    Osborne has no money and has lost his patron, Hague’s in charge now.
    Hague is a repressed whining garden gnome and Osborne hates him. Osborne is out of his depth but protected for now by Cameo who is out of his depth also. They just don’t know what to do.


  388. 388
    Jon says:

    Brown has no empathy and no conscience. He is a sociopath governed totally by his monstrous ego.

    When people realise that he has this devastating personality disorder then all his weird and damaging behaviour is explained.

    Read this for a description of what makes Brown tick……

  389. 389
    DelBoy says:

    Bin the bugger, but let’s get the facts right.

  390. 390
    Master Baiter says:

    tat, agreed

  391. 391
    It's all Balls says:

    My wife would tend to agree with Engineer

  392. 392
    Anonymous says:

    You have an unlikely ally in your analysis:

  393. 393
    Come on Murdoch get serious says:

    No the best part of it, the fucking GOON

  394. 394
    Praise where praise is due says:

    Quartermaster Sergeants (and others) did wonders in GW2 ‘borrowing’ much needed kit from the US Forces by the simple expedient of ‘diverting’ and ‘rerouting’. Brilliant but what a shocking inditement.

    Afghanistan is more of the same.

  395. 395
    Sir William Waad says:

    The Left has this strange need to suck up to a politician somewhere, preferably a long way away. Once it was that wicked old thug Joe Stalin, then when the Soviet Union started to go soft it was the mass-murderer Mao, followed by Ho Chi Minh, or Che if you were young and impressionable. A few of them even approved of Pol Pot at the time. Since Kim Jong-Il is, quite plainly, as mad as a box of frogs, there’s now only the octogenarian Castro left to worship.

    What about growing up and doing your own thinking?

  396. 396
    Engineer says:

    So if humans have wind, it’s OK, but if cows have wind, we all fry on an overheated planet?

    This Climate Change debate is getting surreal.

  397. 397
    Come on Murdoch get serious says:

    Yes that is right the fucking GOON, had the audacity to ring her up and point blank stone cold tell her she was a liar and fucking sit there erming and arrrhing on the phone stating how he he had made no mistakes and he knows everything and her points are wrong.

    I wish the shit stabber would come out in public so i could lamp him.

  398. 398
    It's a funny old World says:

    Why not they smeared a 94 year old granny – Rose Addis as a racist in 2002 for complaining about her treatment under the NHS. They are total SHITS from Brown down !!

  399. 399
    Cassandra King says:

    Is the story about the disgusting letter to a mourning mother the launch vehicle for the new No10 digital engagement unit? It seems that the MSM Brown supporters/apologists are trying to say this story has created widespread sympathy for Brown!
    Astroturfing droids with their “im no fan of Brown but” added to the media luvvies spewing out their pro Brown tuppence worth, trying to make it look like Brown is the innocent victim.
    Lets hope they are found out!

  400. 400
    It's a funny old World says:

    Sorry wrong link although there is mention of Rose Addis in the article

  401. 401
    The Sleeper says:


    Does anyone know what’s happened to Toenails blog?

    I can’t sign in or re-register..bloody thing keeps telling me the username has already been registered or is wrong

    I bloody know’s mine.

    Now I have an invalid e-mail address..Jesus!!!!

    BBC censorship?

  402. 402
    Come on Murdoch get serious says:

    Not that i am homophobic or endorse homophobia.

    I’m just sick to death of getting RAPED up the arse against my will by this dickhead Brown, if he is not sticking his hand in my pocket with his taxes, he is raping me up the arse with another one of his policies.

    I’m sure others can relate.

  403. 403
    Master Baiter says:

    The glaciers are retreating.
    Only the deranged argue that it is not prudent to take measures to slowdown evident climate change.

    Ah yes….

  404. 404
    Cassandra King says:

    Well done spot on, you nailed it!

  405. 405
    resurgemus says:


  406. 406
    Come on Murdoch get serious says:

    They have probably stolen your details and account and given it to a party apparcahik to post pro brown and pro nu labour comments.

  407. 407
    The enemy within is now without says:

    Your E Mail address has obviously been picked up as one that posts criticism of the government or Robinson or the BBC and they’ve “frozen you out” It’s similar to when you make anti-Labour comments on BBC HYS site.They either leave them in moderation queue unposted until the discussion expires or they post them several hours after or the next day so that your comment is no longer the most recent and hence does not get picked up or recommended

  408. 408
    jgm2 says:

    Quite so Lurker. The time to be making your opposition known was prior to 2007. By resigning and making a very fucking public statement about how badly fucked the economy was and how targetting interest rates to reflect the price of beans and ignoring 15% rises in house prices was fucking economic madness and he wanted no part of it.

    Too late Merv. And now going along with literally printing money because you’ve failed so miserably at your job that you cannot think of any alternative.

  409. 409
    Wall Steet Journal Revamp Was Worth It says:

    Did anyone watch the BBC news this morning on channel one?

    I am hoping someone did or something was slipped into my drink last night.

    Anyone see the report on consumers feeling confident the recession is over?

    What planet are these people living on?

  410. 410

    Brown’s story is told in Conrad’s “Lord Jim”, a cracking novel.

  411. 411
    resurgemus says:

    Targetting the WWC now

    you know the people Lab turned their backs on and pushed to the B&P

  412. 412
    WaIt says:

    Did anyone watch the BBC news this morning on channel one?

    I am hoping someone did

    Anyone see the report on consumers feeling confident the recession is over?

    What planet are these people living on?

  413. 413
    A fly on the bunker wall launches towards cruel reality says:

    Fuck me! I’m in accord with Gobshite Galloway! That’s what happens when you daydream.
    Oh well,back to vomiting on shit. Where’s the big snotty fella?

  414. 414

    If this is the real Laban Tall I know him from way back on CiF – he’s not an astroturfer.

    You are however dead wrong here Laban.

  415. 415
    A fly on the bunker wall says:

    In the land of the blind,the one eyed man is PM.

  416. 416
    Jethro says:

    288 – Ah, the memories!
    Minnie: Faster, Henry, drive faster, buddy!.
    Henry: It won’t go any faster, Minnie: the wick in the engine’s gone out.
    Knew someone once, who’d fixed his fuel-pump with a piece of string, always had a front-seat passenger, who had to pull and release the piece of string hanging through the glove-box, to keep the engine going: nice and slow at red lights, then into frenzied activity for acceleration…

  417. 417
    resurgemus says:


    the climate change fairy is here !

  418. 418
    Lanchester Lad says:

    If the lie is big enough people believe it . The problem for Labour is that the most affected part of the country for unemployment etc is the West Midlands where unemployment is running higher than the NW & NE traditionally Labour and where also usually they have the highest areas of unemployment. Why is it a problem ? There are 24 Labour marginals including those of several ministers and ex-ministers. Now you see why they may just be worried ?

  419. 419
    Evan Mor Anonymous says:

    Incoming policy – euthanizing your parents. Brown’s Bullshitting Cokeheads have already started the programming.

  420. 420
    Master Baiter says:

    Cattle are ruminants. They don’t have ‘wind’, snicker snicker, they process cellulose by chewing, fermenting, regurgitating, chewing, fermenting and so on in a cyclical process. This process produces vast quantities of methane released from the mouth. Similarly the partly digested cellulose then passes through a gastric process and then in to the intestines where it ferments further producing further methane released from the anus.
    The farming of cattle in previously rainforested areas is accelerating the increase in the amount of methane released.
    Cattle contribute considerably to climate change.

    Lesson over

  421. 421
    The Beast of Maida Vale says:

    I would love to Kill Obama !!!!!

    Dear American Secret Service
    See above
    Any chance of a free trip to American soil so that I can claim asylum?
    I dont mind a spot of waterboarding if it means that I get a greeencard and some compensation.


  422. 422
    Bob Page says:

    So when does the #weloveGordonBrown twitter campaign begin?

  423. 423
    Jethro says:

    148 I need to inspect your credentials, Sir, and check your bona-fides! Surely a huntsman’s coat’s colour is always referred to as ‘pink’? And that seven-letter word with which you begin, bit too coarse, surely? -except when referring to the actual activity?

  424. 424
    EXSO says:

    Fuck off rentacop, I’d knock you out.

    Think your a hard man cause you get to play with a machine gun against unarmed civvies do you?

    Try using it against someone who fires back.

  425. 425
    The Sleeper says:

    You could be right..I don’t often go there,but some nutcase by the name of Mike_Naylor does get up my nose,so I have in the past pointed out a few home truths to him.

    Ah well…que sera!

    If you’re watching from Singapore, Mike..I’m not Fubar!!!!


  426. 426

    Perfectly justified and perfectly humane. There is no pretence about it not being a prison, unlike the rest of Cuba.

  427. 427
    an apology by gordon brown says:

    deer all,

    soz abaht the deafs in afganistan. Itz not mi fawlt coz i am a genyus like.

    a long time ago i gave my full support 2 the cremlin as it was the rite fing 2 do an i will karry on wiv that coz itz still the rite fing,like.

    i spent £ 7 billyon showing evryone wot a gud trader i was and annuver £1 billyon to the injuns sthat they cud send a rokit to the moon-so they cud get sum cheese to feed the peeple wiv!

    it woz the rite fing to do!

  428. 428
    albacore says:

    Don’t expect a comprehensive range of answers, Mr Ned.
    Fatso’s got a bad attack of the Post-Moderation Tantrums today – at least so far as the Party with the most visited political website in the UK’s concerned.

  429. 429
    Engineer says:

    What about all the non-domesticated ruminants, Master Baiter? The deer, rabbits, herds of wildebeest gallumphing across the plains – don’t they contribute? What’s to be done about their methane emissions? Are they to be issued with corks? Or is only the methane from farm animals dangerous?

    I repeat (fnarr, fnarr) this climate change debate is getting ridiculous – surreal.

  430. 430
    Gordon Brown says:

    Now that’s a very good fund raising idea.

    A tax on steak ,bugger me why didn’t I think of that sooner

  431. 431
    Bob Page says:

    I think it is partly Brown’s own “social dyslexia” as Richard Littlejohn put it and partly due to that fact he is in charge of a dying regime so all the shit sticks to him. For the polar opposite remember “Teflon” Tony Blair in his prime, where scandal after scandal would simply brush off and be forgotten until the ultimate disaster of Iraq.

  432. 432
    Jethro says:

    Ah, the memories!
    The Cliff’s Edge by Ben Dover
    Marks on the wall by Hu Flung Dung
    Bubbles in the Bath by Ivor Windybottom…

  433. 433
    Master Baiter says:

    Oh cheer up McGroom,
    Cameo doesn’t have any idea what to do or where to go. He’ll be sunk before long. He’s losing the centre, that’s for sure. Trips to the Arctic anyone, huskies in the snow, recycled trainers, jumpers for cast iron goal posts?

    It’s a global crisis it started in America.
    Big clue AIG is American International Group, now in US state control.
    As are many US banks and car companies.


  434. 434
    jgm2 says:

    More GW bullshit. Literally. What about prior to 1800 when the North American Prairie was awash with 10’s of millions of fucking buffalo. Was methane a big fucking problem then?

    Did Wild Bill Hickok and his pals actually stall global warming by almost wiping out them methane producing bastards. Is any acceleration in temperature change since 1800 actually explained completely by the replacement of 10’s of millions of buffalo with 10’s of millions of cattle?

    GW is bullshit. Literally.

  435. 435
    Anonymous says:


  436. 436
    Sergie Meerkat says:

    Tax Farts.

  437. 437
  438. 438
    i am a labour troll-anyone supporting our troops is a nasty bullingdon weasel says:

    how many more?

    so all of a sudden nick g is a bad man for doing what no other courageous govt. traitor has done…….

  439. 439
    Jethro says:

    171 – Picture needs a caption – or speech bubbles!
    Over Ms. Booth’s head: ‘That’s better!’
    Other wives: ‘Oh no: a carpet-slipper… a silent-but-deadly… surely Gordon’s all the way down there…?

  440. 440
    resurgemus says:

    just wait til Kraft start closing down Cadbury’s.

  441. 441
    bandersnatch says:

    Private Eye is nowhere near as good, or as politically fearless, as it used to be in the days of the fight with Goldenballs. (Probably because of the strengthening of the libel laws and Carter Fuckery, and the mag’s shortage of cash.) Nonetheless, I find back numbers of PE almost impossible to throw away without another look through… There is always a bunch of regular funny features to laugh at… again… and plenty of simple madness. Sometimes I get to the stage of cutting a few funnies out before dumping the rest in the recycling bin. How sad is that?!

  442. 442
    resurgemus says:

    Complete GW twaddle

    how many bison were their in N America (100 million? ) before we shot them all and replaced them wiith cattle.

    Same basic animal except it’s about twice the size of your average cow. Where’s the increase in methane?

  443. 443
    Engineer says:


    Oops….beg your pardon…

  444. 444

    Yes, that’s exactly what my friend said, they had to “borrow” everything.

  445. 445
    Sarah Brown says:

    I’m on it. Just waiting for my instructions.

  446. 446
    It's a funny old World says:

    BBC interview just aired -Jacqui Janes answers critics about the money accusation and half lets Brown “off the hook” but still hopes he has “sleepless nights”

  447. 447
    Anonymous says:

    15 years in a row now, the EU’s accounts are not signed off! Read the article, the money being wasted will make you weep!

  448. 448
    Corky says:

    To Del Boy.
    Much rather trust his father,brother and son.
    Know what I mean.

  449. 449
    Jed says:

    SO17 = Labour troll

    These scum, paid for by us taxpayers, have been mass-trolling the websites inc. Daily Mail, The Sun etc since yesterday posting thousands of messages under different names, defending the vile Brown and smearing Mrs. Janes.

  450. 450
    bandersnatch says:

    When I was eleven I had three pin-up pictures on the inside of my desk lid… Elvis Presley, Yehudi Menuhin… and Fidel Castro… Guess who was by far the most fanciable.

  451. 451
    JK says:

    Mike Naylor is an alias for one of Charlie Whelan’s boys.

  452. 452

    Glaciers retreat when there’s not enough snow falling on them. This is normally because it’s too cold to snow, or lower tree coverage (Mt “Kill a man for a Giro”).

  453. 453
    Master Baiter says:

    Engineer the increase together with the size and number cattle outweighs the diminishing number of wild ruminants several fold. For example there are and were few ruminants in the rain forests of South America. In all countries the use of fossil fuel derived nitrogen fertilizers has enabled far higher stocking rates than possible before. There are a lot more cattle on earth than ever before and that increase is accelerating. Only the deranged or those devoid of any capability of rational thought cannot understand this.

  454. 454
    Corky says:


  455. 455
    jibblejabble says:

    they are hard at work emailing the bbc, commenting on the guardian and dailymail sites

    guido – could some freedom of information request be fashioned to discover how much public money is being used to fund this? there is no way the many comments online are genuine, suddenly today gorgon has big support online – and this 24hrs after making such a ridiculous phone call and arguing with a woman whose son is dead partly because of actions taken by mcdoom. just doesn’t stack up – they’ve got to be spamming the sites. remember what mr jacqui smith did, writing letters to the local papers, paid for by us. i reckon that mcbust might be up to the same trick, or at least lord mandelscum.

  456. 456
    South of the M4 says:

    Not Gordon’s style. He will introduce carbon trading for farmers, regulated of course by an expensive quango. Each cow will have an allowance and the farmer will have to measure it on a daily basis. For cows in pregnancy though, or those living in farms in under-privileged areas there will be carbon credits. Annual returns in triplicate. Thats more his style.

  457. 457
    bandersnatch says:

    You are quite lovely, Master Baiter. I think you are Guido in disguise.

  458. 458
    Jethro says:

    226 – I hope that she WILL keep the letter – preferably safe in a deposit-box somewhere ( not Harrods, obviously, with ‘The Phony Pharaoh still in charge), with copies having been carefully taken and scrupulously witnessed to be ‘real and actual copies…’, just in case it should mysteriously disappear, like Mr. Blair’s expenses, or Dr. Kelly’s coat (see Norman Baker’s terrifying book).

  459. 459

    About 2002 IMHO

  460. 460
    Nothings too good for the Kinnocks says:

    Makes me and the family weep tears of joy boyo.

  461. 461
    Lanchester Lad says:

    Totally agree with and this also tonight : 700 jobs in Coventry to go at Ericsson

  462. 462
    jungian says:

    It’s not ‘social dyslexia’. Brown is what the psychologists refer to as a borderline personality disorder. It’s another term for sociopath, which used to be called psychopath before PC changed it to something slightly less frightening.

  463. 463
    Vote Vote Vote for Jacqui. says:

    Guido, I am sick to death of the picture of Wayne Rooney.
    Can we have a picture of Coleen or baby Kia instead.
    On the other hand is it Jimmy Sommerfiled,lead singer with
    The Commitments?

  464. 464
    Master Baiter says:

    Glaciers do not retreat when there is less snow falling, they retreat when there are higher temperatures.

  465. 465
    Sarah Brown says:

    Hooray. More cattle = cheaper beef.
    Higher temperatures = more BBQs.

    Hooray for global warming.

  466. 466
    jibblejabble says:

    they are hard at work emailing the bbc, commenting on the guardian and dailymail sites

    guido – could some freedom of information request be fashioned to discover how much public money is being used to fund this? there is no way the many comments online are genuine, suddenly today gorgon has big support online – and this 24hrs after making such a ridiculous phone call and arguing with a woman whose son is dead partly because of decisions taken by him. just doesn’t stack up – they’ve got to be spamming the sites. remember what mr jacqui smith did, writing letters to the local papers, paid for by us. i reckon that mcbust might be up to the same trick, or at least lord mandelscum.

  467. 467
    disillusioned Labour spad says:

    No 10 and their media stooges have started the propaganda onslaught.

    There is much more of this to come and it’s going to get nastier than we’ve ever seen in this country.

    You haven’t got a clue what’s in the pipeline from Brown, Whelan and co.

  468. 468
    Dick the Prick says:

    Al Bore (company linked to Goldman Sacks for cap ‘n’ trade – gay sea captain maybe) and Jojo Kerry – zzzzzz…oh is that the time. My right & left testicle would be better administrators than those two and frankly – they’re not that good at stuff like that.

  469. 469
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m just a shy boy from a shy family.

  470. 470
    Al says:

    Election cancelled?

    Cameron arrested on trumped up charges?

  471. 471
    resurgemus says:

    since 1998 world temperatures have been falling.

    they are forecast to fall for the next 20-30 years.

  472. 472
    Doc Trough says:

    Get your thighs sorted out and put hemlock in your ‘husband’s’ Darjeeling. Present yourself back here when you’ve finished.

  473. 473
    Hunter Dave says:

    Agree, loved Cuba myself. Would not touch The Spectator as its editor is the odious Fraser Sneaky Nelson,Tory Toady par excellence. Gossip about patriots such as Jack Jones is unseemly.

  474. 474
    jgm2 says:

    I think in 2002 it would have been for Eddie George to say something. Although a wiki visit reveals our Eddie spent some time at Moscow State University.

    So maybe he didn’t feel it appropriate to say anything under the circumstances.

  475. 475
    Tired and jaded says:

    I’ve sort of guessed that the pipeline has a u-bend at one end and me at the other.

  476. 476
    Sir William Waad says:

    It takes one to spot one!

  477. 477
    Gordon Brown, Jacqui Smith, Lord Martin, Jill Pay says:

    What’s wrong with that? We’ve established a precedent.

  478. 478
    Lizzie says:

    I wonder what calamity will befall Brown tomorrow, everyday there is a new disaster. Guess what, it is PMQ’s yet again, the “Punch and Prudy” show. The words are already ringing in my ears….”I’m getting on with the job”, “it started in America”, that’s why LLoyds Bank are cutting more jobs, jobs, economy, the war in Afghanistan, yadda, yadda, yadda! and all the other crap Brown churns out, AND NEVER ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS!!!! The “fag end government with no power”, and a inept leader. What has “Great” Britain been reduced to.

  479. 479
    Sir William Waad says:

    One of the old Roman bods said of some politician that “he would have been a great leader, if only he had never got into power.”

  480. 480
    13eastie says:

    Chile voted in a Marxist government in 1970, so the story goes…

  481. 481
    Kinnock's troughing son says:

    Too right paw. And you be sure now and fire that pesky Marta Andreason before she blows this gig sky-high now y’hear?

  482. 482
    Truthseeker says:


    He resurfaced in 2007 with a new job at the top of the labour movement, working for Unite, the country’s biggest union. As political director of Unite, Mr Whelan’s precise duties are nebulous, but he controls a large budget and staff of press officers and public affairs specialists, giving him considerable political clout.

    Few are in any doubt that that influence is used to benefit his former employer at least as much as his current one.

    The revelation that Mr Whelan was privy to discussions about setting up the Red Rag website will only strengthen suspicions that he remains very much an active part of Mr Brown’s inner circle.

    ex DT 13 April 2009

  483. 483
    jgm2 says:

    If they had no power it would be fantastic. Unfortunately they do have power and they’re using it to nail another 200bn quid of debt onto the corpse of the UK taxpayer before swanning off to write their self-serving auto-biographies.

    The bastards.

  484. 484
    Peter B says:

    Come on Guido – GO GET THEM !!

  485. 485
    FD says:

    Charlie Whelan has organised the this weeks mass trolling of websites like the Daily Mail. He has a team of full time staff posting pro-Brown messages constantly under different aliases.

    Eventually someone at the Mail will investigate and then it will all blow up in Brown’s face.

  486. 486
    jgm2 says:

    ‘The people’s flag is deepest red,
    Just like the UK’s deficit…

  487. 487

    We can trust him to force through secret inquests at the third time of trying, as he managed to do y’day. Indy has it – not seen a word about it anywhere else.

  488. 488
    Moley says:

    The BBC don’t do free votes.

    Someone might suggest a free vote on the license fee, and they know that they would lose. They know that they are hated and regarded with contempt, and they simply don’t care, because they know that we are powerless to do anything about it.

    But I don’t pay, and I won’t pay.

  489. 489
    Gordon Brown says:

    I tell you that I empathise,
    But really I don’t give a shit.

  490. 490
    SarahN says:

    I visited the Museum of London recently (highly recommended) and saw something really interesting. There’s very long chart on the wall showing the climate changes/temperature changes in the Thames basin over millenia, as derived (I presume) from the archaeological record. The changes are quite astounding, and all done without burning a single bucket of coal.

    I stopped worrying about man made climate change right then and there.

    The world has been heating up and cooling down spontaneously for millions of years. There’s eff all we can do about it.

    And glaciers have been retreating and disappearing for thousands of years too – just look at the British Isles – most of our valleys are glacial – where are they now?

  491. 491
    Labour apparatchiks and assorted conference arseholes says:

    Let’s print another trillion notes,
    To buy more idiot Labour votes,
    Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
    We’ll keep the red ink flowing here.

  492. 492
    Evan Mor Anonymous says:

    Cuban authorities spent enormous sums of money on research facilities and hospitals in the expectation they could profit from the gene therapy bandwagon. Unfortunately that bandwagon creaked to a halt shortly after embarcation, and the whole shooting match is not going to be leaving the station any time soon. Meanwhile the Cubans have to survive on good cigars and great dance music and not much else – but that’s fine if you’re a socialist fantasist, pandered to by Michael Moore.

  493. 493
    Seek the Truth says:


    He resurfaced in 2007 with a new job at the top of the labour movement, working for Unite, the country’s biggest union. As political director of Unite, Mr Whelan’s precise duties are nebulous, but he controls a large budget and staff of press officers and public affairs specialists, giving him considerable political clout.

    Few are in any doubt that that influence is used to benefit his former employer at least as much as his current one.

    The revelation that Mr Whelan was privy to discussions about setting up the Red Rag website will only strengthen suspicions that he remains very much an active part of Mr Brown’s inner circle.

  494. 494
    Engineer says:

    Roast lamb – delicious. Mutton is making a bit of a come-back, too. Tried goat sausages last year – very tasty.

    All that manure is really good for land fertility, as well. Saves on the artificial nitrate fertilisers.

  495. 495
    SarahN says:

    I hope so, he’s a sneering shit and queen of the guardianistas.

  496. 496
    Seek the Truth says:

    Quote from DT 13 April 2009

  497. 497
  498. 498
    Gordon Brown says:

    Look how Sarkozy laughs at us,
    As Merkel stifles her digust,
    In Moscow’s vaults they’ve heaps of gold,
    It’s only here its all been sold.

  499. 499
    Hooray for the Bankers! says:

    I well remember all the Conservative voices crying out against that growth all those years ago


  500. 500
    SarahN says:

    It’s wall-to-wall poor old Gordie at the Grauniad. I’ve posted several alternative views on some of the threads but it does require some more of you to log in and stick up for Mrs. Janes. She’s being pilloried as either a dupe of the Sun, or a conniving bitch.

    That shameless old hack Sue Arnold has waded in, coz she’s blind too and she knows what it’s like to use a ‘fat pen’ – what on earth is she on about?
    Gordon’s fat pen………..eurgh I feel sick now.

  501. 501
    PLEASE says:


  502. 502
    Laban says:

    Yes, I am the ‘real’ LT. Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.

    One or two others, like Mr Eugenides, are also putting their heads above the parapet. I’m not knocking Mrs Janes though – I think you’d have to be in her shoes before you could even think to do that.

  503. 503

    Bet they didn’t realise what it was until too late…

  504. 504
    Moley says:

    On this BBC blog site, funded by the taxpayer;

    “Mike Naylor” posted 47 times between 2.21pm and 5.29pm.

    3 posts were removed,1 was 300 words, 3 were over 200 words, one was 150 words. (word counts approximate)

    Naylor appears to be under the delsusion that Order-order is a “right wing site”.

    The BBC is in clear and flagarnt breach of its charter in publishing these posts.

    What are they going to do about it?

    I have all the times written down if anybody wants them; it looks like the work of two or three people in the same room.

  505. 505
    Moley says:

    Sorry for the typos; I’m steaming.

  506. 506
    Engineer says:

    The valleys? Still in the same place.

    Oh – sorry – the glaciers. You’re right, they’ve gone. Good thing, too, or the sheep would have no hills to safely graze.

  507. 507
    W.F.Jethro says:

    451 – Typo? For ‘alias’ read ‘a liar’, shurely?

  508. 508
    Moley says:

    Forgot to mention, there is quite often only one or two minutes between posts.

  509. 509
    Thanks says:

    No problem – name duly noted – action will be taken – thanks.

  510. 510
    caesars wife says:

    I dont know if your right Guido although I cant argue the figures as more people digest news through there PCs , some articles if well written have a great deal of impact , blogging has a habit of punishing your lack of knowledge or argument , it also has a kind of herd rush factor , which is of course plenty of fun and effective .

    The wisdom of crowds is democratic , but depends on what you understand which is why we need longer trajectory or a rummage in history ,which comes from those ambling intellects that work on ideas .

    The presentation of socialism in the tramp chic of havannah , as a poor but somehow happy place is perhaps more of a success of not allowing an alternative than socialism its self . Communism is just about totally debunked thank goodness , but they have this hope that capitalism will collapse as people believe that high tech socialism seems pragmatic .

    Cw notes that the debate useually ends up in the narrow of finance and wealth and misses out the older basic of law and order , which is capitalist in terms of debt and credit , live a law abiding life and you avoid prison . capitalism isnt perfect but it does at least allow more idealogical freedom than socialism and certainly communism , which eventually turn everyone into frozen portraits of the state image of power and success . Could they have had communism without the stasi ?? i doubt it , its secular driver always becomes a servant monster/beast to cover its weakness .

    CW is slightly puzzled by Tom Watson making a facebook site for those opposed to the new modern warfare video game , unusual thing for a sitting mp to do , citing keith vazs ponderings on violent video games as an excuse ,is missing the point that Tom Watson is somehow supporting the sale and playing of a video game , at the time when real life coffins are comming home to the bereaved , unless that is Tom is down wifth da kids on level 6 unreality on violence is an important game that should be in everyones life .

    Funny thing that , I mean you dont shed tears when you die on a video game however realistic you can make it , lest we forget eh Tom.

  511. 511
    Sleepless in Downing St says:

    Oh don’t you worry – Brown will always have sleepless nights – he ensures that himself!

  512. 512
    W.F.Jethro says:

    388 – Read the top half, and kept thinking, ‘THAT’s Blair, THAT’s Blair, then, lower down, I began to think, ‘THAT’s Brown, THAT’s BROwn, THAT’s B R O W N !!

  513. 513
    Jethro says:

    The above comment should be ascribed to ‘Jethro’, not – of course – to ‘W.F. Jethro’ (whom God preserve; no relation; e & o.e.) and I blame this error on all the shells, trulls, and astrosurfers who, I am relabelledly unformed infarct this sight.
    AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH MY EYESIGHT! Nothing at all: quite the reverse. Did I tell you how, in 5o daze, I saved the sight of…
    Nor is there anything wrong with my spelling. I got his name right/write: where I come from, we call everybody we have contempt for (in other words, ‘everybody’) ‘Jimmie’.

  514. 514
    NLJD says:

    Competition time

    Work out what “”NLJD” stands for and I will buy the Scum for a week.

    Something to keep the frothing libers on here occupied.

    Finally one thing Semen never mentions is the people who have lost out since he started flaunting his esteemed organ and put thousands out of work?

    The people who make green ink.

    The industry has died since Semen and his ilk went on-line.
    Now all the mentalists can swap stories without bothering the postman.

    Who needs all the strange looks going in to WH Smiths and asking for green ink when you can rant to your hearts content on here amongst like minded individuals who hate for a living.

    Semen I salute you, social work for all the hard to reach mentalists everyone ignores in real life.

  515. 515
    NLJD says:


    Who are you?

    BBC keyboard hard man or garret living fantacist?

    In the off chance you do have influence any chance you could sort out Lee Naylor as well?

    His crossing into the box needs work as well as holding a high defensive line, he always seems to hold back and leave space for the opposition to work the inside right channel.

    A quick response would be appreciated.

  516. 516
    Jethro says:

    399 Cassandra, tell us more about this ‘No10 digital engagement unit’. On the other hand, wiser counsels prevail: don’t!

  517. 517
    Jethro says:

    Tacitus, Sir W2 – of Galba (in ‘The Year of The Four Emperors’) “capax imperii, nisi imperasset” [‘able to rule, had he not ruled’]
    We did that Book for ‘O’ Level, with Mr. Thomas in, what could almost have been ‘The Year of The Three Prime Ministers’.

  518. 518
    NLJD says:

    Master Baiter

    If you want “Scotty” to get the message better talk to his CAD monkey as he is the one with the brains and does all the work.

    “Scotty” just goes to meetings, the sociable alternative to work, to further his speciality in career engineering while all the contractors do the actual work.

    You have to wonder how he gets the time to post on here if he did real work

  519. 519
    Mark Oaten says:

    Oh, don’t be like that!

  520. 520
    Down with Brown! says:

    Communism has killed over 100 million people. Never under-estimate its evil.

  521. 521
    thick as thieves says:

    said the total dick.

  522. 522
    Technomist says:


  523. 523
    Anonymous says:

    Yes bit they have Bioweapons, and they aint afraid to use them either, just look how they decimated our farming with that foot and mouth from that Govt Lab, damn i forgot it’s name now. can’t be arsed to look.
    The Commies mean business.

  524. 524
    British Liberation front says:

    This is a Public warnng to all the Traitors in Parliament, Give is back our sovereignty or we will start a petition on the No 10 Website.

  525. 525
    Newbie Conspiracy theorist says:

    Something to do with the New World Order and lizard people, I don’t understand it all myself.

  526. 526
    Alex Jones says:

    Seems lots of Globalists are laying claim to bits of the Internet, all part of the Plan, they hate the Internet, Rockefeller recently said he wished it had not been invented……I wonder why….

  527. 527
    rick says:

    I notice Big Nick is getting huge support in the comments columns in both the Times and Mail. People aren’t so daft and have got the measure of the media slur.

  528. 528
    Anonymous says:

    It is Marxism you monkeys. MarrrrXXXXXXism pay attention.

  529. 529
    rick says:

    Why is little Cameron keeping schtum on all this. Waiting for a comfy and profitable Euro billet? Scum, all of them.

  530. 530
    rick says:

    I can imagine. The early church thought the same about printed books – and for the same reason.

  531. 531
    Moley says:

    Here’s a good one.

    Credit Agricole, the well known French farmer received 62.5million pounds in farm subsidies.

    No one knows why.

  532. 532
    Corky says:

    To Resurgmus.
    Quite right hence the expression Global Warming has given way to Climate Change.

  533. 533
    Sam says:

    Tut tut. Meet you at Vauxhall Bridge on Tuesday 0730. Carry a copy of the Metro.

  534. 534
    Dontcha Love The Social Aspect says:

    So it was you twats who re-arranged Coventry!

  535. 535
    Wm T Sherman says:

    Guantanamo Bay is a large naval base, and the special prison occupies a tiny and remote part of it.

  536. 536
    North of Watford says:

    1: Go into your nearest clothes shop that displays a T-shirt featuring Guevara or Castro.

    2: Ask if they have a T-shirt featuring Adolf Hitler.

    3: When they say no, ask them why they are selling merchandise featuring torturers and murderers.

    4: Exit the establishment befor you get arrested.

  537. 537
    JBMP2 says:

    1: Go into your nearest clothes shop that displays a T-shirt featuring Guevara or Castro.

    2: Ask if they have a T-shirt featuring Bush or Bliar

    3: When they say no, ask them why they are selling merchandise featuring torturers and murderers.

    4: Exit the establishment befor you get arrested.

  538. 538
    The Execution of Tony Blair says:

    Save your time and money and concentrate on getting Baroness “Udders” Uddin into court.

  539. 539
    Straw's dealer son says:

    Too right m8, come outside for a smoke?

  540. 540
    Jonathan says:

    Shouldn’t it be: Soviet Agents= Labour?

  541. 541
    Jonathan says:

    You mean this evil, murderous, nazi, Bushitler concentration camp. A 21st century Auschwitz, where innocent muslims are tortured and murdered 24 hours a day?

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