Nick Herbert Reported to Standards Commissioner
The League Against Cruel Sports has reported Nick Herbert to the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner on the grounds that he received £24,500 in seven separate donations following the announcement that it would be a Conservatives manifesto commitment to hold a free vote on whether or not to repeal the Hunting Act. Not sure this will have much success given that it came (a) after the announcement (b) Simon Hart, CEO of the Countryside Alliance is the Tory candidate for Carmarthen West & South Pembrokeshire. Nick Herbert was merely confirming a widely anticipated Conservative policy.
The League also seem to have overlooked the £1 million given to Labour by the International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) in 1996, at about the time Brian Davies attended a “private dinner party” where Tony Blair was a fellow guest. The largest single donation the party had ever received up to that point resulted from that dinner. Now that was cash-for-policy…
and so your point is…
that they’re all as bad as each other?
isn’t the logical conclusion that any lobbying at all is wrong?
why else do lobbyists exist apart from to change policy?
who gives a fuck about fox hunting. it is the professional lobbyists that should be banned from going anywhere fucking near the commons.
professional lobbyists are a cancer on our democracy who should be hunted down with extreme prejudice.
Bit harsh!
not when our democracy is as stake.
if people wish to lobby and feel strongly enough to do so at their own expense then that is a good thing.
when whores are being paid to strong arm MPs into bad legislation for the profit of private companies then that is quite another.
our democracy is more important than a few hundred shysters screwing the system with bribes.
don’t you agree?
Financial misconduct = Conservatives
WAR CRIMES + TORTURE = LABOUR
Army run at the time in question by Richard Dannatt the Conservitudes new adviser.
I wondered when the new labour war party was going to blame the army for the orders it gave them.
note to army: the new labour war criminals are just about to tip a bucket of shit all over your head.
wankystalin = billy no mates
I give a damn about foxes, and so do many that realise how close we go to the so-called savages that run our streets when we condone cruelty. Lobbyists are a blight on everything and should be stopped without question!
you give a damn about foxes. well they do not give a damn about you.
if you were lying injured in a forest and a fox were hungry it would attack and try eat you.
you would kill the fox then wouldn’t you?
you two faced c’unt.
people first.
foxes last.
The majority of foxes are killed by motor vehicles. You going to ban driving?
Fox hunting is the least cruel way of controlling foxes – the fox either escapes completely , or is killed instantly by a hound twice his size – trust me, I’ve seen it many many times. I’ve also seen a lot of the results of alternative methods, all of which can and do result in wounding.
Ever seen a little old lady get her wheels clamped? Far more trauma than any fox ever felt.
Perhaps we could encourage lobbyist hunting to fill the gap?
with hounds?
The majority of foxes are killed by motor vehicles. You going to ban driving?
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Actually most foxes are killed by folks like me.
At night using flat shooting centre-fire rifles, & in my case
thousands of pounds worth of nightvision gear.
Tally ho.
Old Holborn’s November 5th Walk – DETAILS FOR ATTENDEES. See you all there
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/10/november-5th-walk-details.html
Nice
I’m in favour of the smoking ban.
Best thing that has happened for years.
You are quite average arentcha? Tell that to any landlord you meet (assuming he’s still got a boozer) and he’ll call you an ejeet. Pubs are closing at the fastest pace since records began and yet booze consumption from supermarkets has increased!!
price may be a more significant factor
He should be a vent. I can’t see his lips moving.
Welease Woger!
his first name seems to be apt
That’s a tag age-ist, is n’t it ?
Lawful hunting has never stopped. There are more people involved now than any time for years.
I look forward to the law being ended. and get rid of these stupid laws.
HEAR HEAR!!
All power to Nick Herbert’s elbow (to end the hunting ban) provided he extends the target and introduces The Great Repeal Bill.
This at one stroke should trash all Liebour’s 5000 pieces of retrograde, marxist legislation and do it in the course of a one-hour debate!
“Watch this space…” as a senior Conservative MP told me at the Game Fair.
Dave Cameron is a hunter so he will see that he gets his own way . Hunting is cruel and to bring it back would be a retrograde step. Vote Labour to stop the Toffs.
The Hunting Act was a classic example of New Labour’s blind prejudice and control-freakery. Also of their incompetence, since it hasn’t reduced the number of cute little foxes dying suddenly (rather than slowly, by natural causes, shooting or poisoning) but has led to at least one human death and a lot of the kind of behaviour that would get a football supporter a crack on the head and time in the cells.
O/T but good 1929 Tory campaign poster on Political Betting
it was all bullshit gesture politics from tony blair to appease the treehuggers.
never in the history of British politics has so much time been wasted by so many in the pursuit of so little as it was with the hunting act.
Spot on TAT! 70 hours of footling, limpwristed, liebour luvvies, PHain-style “debate”.
(How much did they get an hour for sitting there twatting on?)
Agree entirely, TaT. The hunting ban legislation had absolutely nothing to do with hunting or with ‘animal welfare’. It was a piece of red meat thrown to the slavering class-war bigots by Tony Bliar as a sop for their supporting his war in Iraq – the war of dubious morality.
Four hundred and seven thousand people marched peacefully through London in support of Liberty and Livelihood, and the Rural Affairs minister, Alun Michael (may the fleas of a thousand badgers infest his armpits) said “I don’t know what they’re marching for”. Arrogant, ignorant little shit.
Let’s not forget that fake charity, the RSPCA, has given NuLab over 1 million quid in the last few years. Remember that when when some old dear rattles a tin in your face and you think your dosh will help the baby dolphins/kittens/puppies/other sentimental codswallop.
But it made the big park (the countryside to townies – no rural constituancy would vote Liebour) pretty again
The hunting debacle is another example of the establishment running roughshod over the will of the people. The legislation was badly drafted by Blair to purposely make it easy to subvert, and in alliance with a recalcitrant inspector knacker the toffs were able to continue hunting contrary to the ‘no’ being successfully pushed through parliament five times. so much for democracy.
They ride roughshod, they don’t run roughshod.
One also needs to have shoes to run
And be on a horse of course.
I remember zola budd.
Do you? Do you now?
Except for beagles, basset hounds, minkhounds and fell foxhounds, all of which are followed on foot. So beaglers might well run roughshod. Not many toffs though. I reckon that if it wasn’t for the foxhunting image of toffs on horses, the anti-hunting movement would consist of Ann Widdecombe and about five of her friends. Being, in financial terms, permanently on my arse, I hunt with beagles and bassets, and it amuses me no end to be labelled a toff.
Someone once told me that Camilla Parker-Bowles tried very hard to persuade Mandelson to have a day out hunting with the Beaufort and very nearly succeeded. Mandy bottled it when he realised what the Parliamentary Labour Party would do to him in revenge. If true, this might help explain why the Hunting Act ended up more toothless than my 12 year old greyhound.
Can one ride roughshod on foot? I have never joined the Countryside Alliance don’t you know.
Camilla didn’t tell Mandelson that he was to be the quarry. I don’t think he’d give much sport though. It would end in a dig out, for sure.
I think we should legalize the hunting of politicians, it would give the hounds something to do at the weekend and would very very enjoyable!!
http://newslion.blogspot.com/
It would be a canny little hound that could sniff out one of those slippery little buggers.
I’m sure a hound can be trained to recognise the smell of pockets stuffed with taxpayers’ cash.
Slightly O/T, but has anyone else noticed that since the foxhunting ban, there seem to be a lot more dead foxes lying at the side of A-roads? Little cutie foxywoxy doesn’t get instantly ripped to bits on his way to bite the heads off two-dozen free-range hens, instead he gets thumped by a car and crawls to the gutter to die. Slowly and in unendurable agony. Well, that’s my hypothesis.
I thought there were supposed to be fewer foxes around if fox hunting got banned?
I don’t know. I suppose the fox population will meet some form of natural equilibrium. Or the front of a Ford Transit.
They can be shot any time of year (even when they’ve got cubs underground, which starve). They aren’t shot dead, usually just maimed as they’re nocturnal animals and die a terrible protracted death from septicemia.
Other methods are trapping and shooting, either wire snares or fox cages, both methods catch pet dogs (our terrier was caught in a snare a couple of months ago) and again the caught animals are terrorized for many hours until the keeper comes along (every 24 hours by law) to put them out of their misery.
And the League call themselves animal lovers?
Yes, I aim for the fuckers while driving my 4×4 Hummer at top speed. I would dod the same for fucking hippy tin rattlers for greenpuke except they are not on secluded A roads, but in the middle of my shopping centre. As it is, I just tell them to fuck off -not as satisfying as running them over I am sure you will all agree.
What part of Cornwall you from then Nick?
Good idea for controlling vermin, Newslion.
B*ll*cks to the foxes, the real money’s in hunting “Trough sniffers….”
New Labour same old shit.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8313860.stm
The tories are promising a free vote on hunting because the current law has been found to be unworkable.
They are also saying that it may have to wait because they will have more pressingmatters to deal with first.
This labour crew do twist and embellish things , or even just plain make up lies to substantiate their own case.
So they aren’t going to make hare coursing legal?
Because hares are mystical creatures.
Tasty though.
Interesting that labour List are claiming that the policy changed after the donations and was a ‘U turn’ this is completely innacurate
http://www.labourlist.org/nick-herbert-league-against-cruel-sports-cash-row-u-turn
Bernie Ecclestone, anyone?
Lord Cashpoint, anyone ?
Agreed -that’s definitely a fox THAT won’t hunt
Good to see at least one blog prepared to defend tory politicians against these scurrilous sleaze allegations.
As a point of fact Nick Herbert actually set up the Countryside Movement that went on to become the Countryside Alliance.
So it is pretty obvious where his sympathy’s lie!
It wasn’t just IFAW on the donation ticket, publicly and openly the RSPCA and more laughably the League Against Cruel Sports were on the ticket. You couldn’t make it up………
Ah, the ‘emplyees’ on a very tasty salary of tony banks’s sister ! Remember the curse of tony banks ??
How is the natural environment of the politician to be sustained if money is not allowed to flow through it. They’ll all die. Do you want that on your conscience?
Yes.
Ah yes – the RSPCA. A charity not supposed to involve itself in political activity…..
Didn’t the RSPCA issue an edict about bees recently? What was that all about? If you go to Walberswick there is a little rivulet where children try to catch crabs with bait on a string. The RSPCA have put up a warning sign urging those fishing to respect the rights of crabs! Since when have crustaceans been animals? Since when have bees been animals?
The RSPCA are highly politicised and hypocritical otherwise they would stop wittering on about bees and crabs and come down hard on cat owners who let their pets destroy 200 million plus small mammals, birds and amphibians every year.
But they won’t cos all the soppy sods who give them money think fluffy little kittens are luvverly!!
“I caught crabs at Walberswick” got the T-shirt.
Free vote my ass! They’ll whip it for their chums. Is D Cameron not the son-in-law of the Master of Hounds or some such like? I’d like to chase down any one that believes that is ‘sport’ and not cruelty of the most savage kind. Disgraceful, but sadly not out of character!
Good show.
Foxes are vermin.
Exterminate.
….oh and bullfighting is good too.
Keep everyone happy – hunt down troughing MP’s and members of the House of Lords. But especially the Kinnocks.
Personally I’d like to Dexterize anyone who advocates harming animals… so we could start with those that simply use such silly talk to wind up people that actually do give a damn… or did you miss how all this interference is screwing up the planet?
Have you ever observed nature? The ‘cruelty’ you abhor is nothing compared to what animals inflict on other animals. Nature is truly red in tooth and claw.
Tally ho!
Fox torturing is just plain wrong, taking pleasure from it is sick and saying it’s traditional is a smokescreen – so was slavery for thousands of years.
What’s your view on kosher and halal meat production?
Excellent point Mitch !!!
And on hare coursing, rabbiting with terriers – both traditionally working class sports and incidentally bloody good fun.
Just ’cause someone doesn’t like toffs on horses doesn’t make their idiotic views valid.
Halal and kosher meat production, on the other hand, is only valid in very hot countries where leaving blood in the meat causes it to spoil more quickly – it has no place in Britain, nor do the consumers of those products.
It made sense in the desert back in the middle ages but has no place in modern societies.
Fox Hunting is an indiginous passtime – and thus racist.
The outlawing of slavery put an end to one of my countries most successful exports.
And trapped in a slowly tightening wire snare for anything up to 24 hours is ok? Dying from a bullet wound for a week or two is ok?
You are a sick pervert.
Shock horror!
Pest chased and killed.
Welcome to the world.
You’re off message aren’t you?
People who actually want to get rid of foxes shoot them.
Not if they’re members of the hunt.
The hunt does more to preseve foxes and their habitats than anything imaginable.
If they’re serious about getting rid of foxes people use this
http://www.afpmb.org/pubs/standardlists/labels/6840-00-145-0016_manual_phostoxin.pdf
The clue’s in the name.
Hear, hear Master B. Mr Badger – try talking to a sheep farmer, especially a hill-farmer, about foxes – you should go out and see the reality once lambing begins. Sorry, but dogs kill quickly and cleanly and foxes are a ruddy nuisance and cost our farmers a fortune (and a lot of heartache).
Too true !!
Only if you want to risk maiming only
Maybe they should be trapped like tuberculous badgers will be come June 2010
Or gassed. That’s even nastier.
I thought I was the first to buy that toerag Blair for a million? That lying, scheming schmuck.
Neigh! neigh! thrice neigh!
Don’t have a problem with anything Herbert has done and consider him blameless, BUT you’re wrong to suggest Labour had it’s position “bought” in 1996, considering it had been a manifesto pledge since 1979.
I had a situation where a fox was getting into our garden and killing mallard ducklings on the pond we have. My neighbour told me that the smell of human urine repels foxes. Great advice! – I’ve been pissing in his hedge ever since.
It also repels labour canvassers too. Soon as they knock on your door open it and start pissing on them they dont alf run quick.
£1 million donation from PAL – Political Animal Lobby – (IFWA) – followed by £1/4 M post 1997
Boris’s (Jonston) father received a telephone call at the time to say that Jonathan Powell & Snooty Mandelson had done the deal – policy for cash
700 hours Parliamentary debate (!) plus the Parliament Act
New Labour didn’t do that for any of their top 10 policies put together!
An evil bunch of ne’r do wells – Follow the Money
Having banned hunting Nuliebor has spent 12+ years spreading bovine TB in cattle by not culling sick TB badgers – this too will change when the Tories get in in 2010
It’s not too late to report NuLiebor to the Standards Committee for its crimes
It will have to act – and the evidence is clear for all to see
I think the Standards Committee needs reported to the Standards Commitee
Tally-ho!
Funny that more foxes ended up being done to death as a result of the hunting ban, a fact the League Against Cruel Sports doesn’t concern itself to much with – but then it’s class war innit?
Wasn’t this in the 2005 manifesto as well? So it’s not actually, err, a change of policy in the first place?
What exactly is it that the Countryside Alliance were supposed to have bought?
Cuum on! Labour party form an orderly queue behing Ms Smith;
Supreme Court ??? WE RULE OVER YOU NOW !!!
mr herbert gave an excellent speech in india jointly hosted by ifaw.
If The Tories Bring Back The Hunting Of Little Red Furry Animals We Should Be Alowed To Hunt Big Red Coated Fat Arsed Toffs On Horseback With Shotguns And The Odd Hidden Cheese wire Strung At Neck Height Between Trees !
And ambush hunt saboteurs, who are in general a much more verminous species than foxes, foxhunters or toffs. Hunting with Rottweilers might be appropriate.
Saw a police dog set on an anti once: she squealed like a pig. Made my day.
Just lost the argument with your personal villification. I do hope you enjoy living in your slave box. What a sad little fcuk you are.
Scum. They’re all scum. Vicious nasty dishonest scum.
There won’t be enough champagne to go round next May when hope will return after this dark decade like Spring to the lands of the north.
I didn’t think I was capable of such hatred; I even hate myself for succumbing to it, but that’s what Liebour has done to me.
Me too.
I think the hatred the Left direct at Thatcher will be nothing compared to the lasting hatred that the Right, and many moderates, will have for Bliar, Broon and NuLiebore.
Granted !
Or How about Fat Troughing Mp’s
We Start Them Off In A Field Carrying Large Sacks Of Stolen Taxpayers Money
We set them Running But The Heavy Sacks Will Be To Much For Them .
So The Choice Is Theirs Start To Offload The Money Or Get Ripped To Shreads By The Persuing Hoards Of Angry Taxpayers ?
TV Rights Negotiable !
113 is a reply to 108
114 – MBMLC You are Groucho Marx, and I claim my £5.
He is Harpic Marx, and I claim my £10.
Nu Labour detest the Military, and Anything to do with Farmers.
Fox Hunting is something that I have never got involved in and have no opinion.
Looks a colourful sight though. And Ali g detected that some of the ladies of the hunt were not foxy at all.
However Labour have all but screwed the agricultural base of the Country.
Why? because they think that all farmers vote Blue. Seemples.
So instead we get to import 70%+ of our foodstufffs, thereby increasing the CO2 load.
Not that it makes a scrap of difference to the Climate, but is sure as heel screws up the Balance of payments!!!
Utter Tossers.
So if the International League of Blood Sports had given Blair £1,000,000, Bear and Bull baiting and cock fighting would have been re-introduced.
117- Down ‘ere, after they closed all the Treacle Mines (they said it was cos of the ‘Treacle-down Effect’) only sport we ‘ad left was shag-’unting: my gor, you shd’ve seen it! Couldn’t afford Brass-Bands or such, and none of us knew ‘ow to blaw the ‘orn, so Gramma Jethro’s Armonium used to be put on a sled, and drawn along, wi’the Chapel Organist, pedallin’ like fury, an’ playin’ bits of Moody & Sankey, Rogers & Hammerstein, ‘though, after a while, ’twas Rogers & Sankey, ‘n’ Moody & Hammerstein: like Sandy McPherson on speed! Then Shag-hounds were released, an’ they went evrywhere! If you’d a seen it, you’d a knawn what that word ‘went’ meant! Course, shags roost on the cliffs, so the shag-unters – all in their ‘unting Beige – w’d fan out cross the cliffs, callin’ out the traditional Cries: ‘Shag – yew!’ and ‘Shag off!’ (when er flew the nest). Time to time, we’d ‘ear the time-honoured cry of ‘Shag-in-Ell!’ as a unter missed is footin on the cliff-edge, and went ‘ead-first toards the sea.
Then they banned it.
‘Course, they do say that, if you know the right place, an’ look the right sort, some murky-lookin’ person might haccidently bump into you and ask – all innocent-like, ‘You lookin’ for a Shag…?’
Ah, but Master Fawkes, you forget:
Any deed committed in the name of the glorious party of the proletariat cannot be a crime, by definition.
On the other hand, anything done by those opposed to the will of the people, as expressed by their only true voice, must be a crime regardless of its legality as defined by the bourgeois legal system.