September 28th, 2009

Marr Defends His Line of Questioning

Andy Marr is quoted on the front page of the Daily Telegraph as saying: “I thought very carefully about asking the question. So many people in the Westminster village and beyond are talking about it that it seemed to me a fair question to ask.”

By way of counter-attack Peter Mandelson is throwing accusations about “We have seen out there on the Internet, the blogosphere, all these extreme right-wing people trying to put these smears and rumours about…” Of course in private emails, as we know from reports he never denied, Mandelson drips his own poison “Gordon has developed fewer ways of masking and managing his insecurities… He is a self-conscious person, physically and emotionally. He is not as comfortable with his own skin as, say, Tony was (is).” Hardly a ringing endorsement from Mandy of Brown’s state of mind.

It is the unchanged, firmly held and often stated view of this blog that Gordon is manifestly a weirdo.  In the words of Alastair Campbell, the master of making the political personal, Gordon is “psychologically flawed”…

Pill Popper PMNote to editors : It was not this blog that was the first widely read publication to refer to the specific pill-popping-PM allegation.  The laurels belong to the Indy’s Matthew Norman, it was only then followed up here (Who Will Ask the Prime Minister?).  Andy Grice, the Indy’s political editor might want to correct his front page story accordingly and give credit where credit is due.


528 Comments

  1. 1
    • 12
      Sun Tzu says:

      “It is the unchanged, firmly held and often stated view of this blog that Gordon is manifestly a weirdo.”

      Erm, when was the last time we had a PM who was NOT a Weirdo?!?!

      • 117
        Engineer says:

        John Major, for all his political faults, did (and still does) seem a pretty balanced sort of person. Besides, anybody who appreciates cricket can’t be all bad.

        • 185
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          I see your point, but he was a rather strange little character, seemingly over-inhibited etc. (little did we know).

          If there had been youtube, and he had followed inappropriate advice from “PR gurus” I imagine he could have made a right tit of himself (but then, he probably would have had the sense to ignore them).

        • 388
          Watching the dying party in Brighton with 300 strategically placed audience members says:

          I would have given Eggwina Curry, one as well. I always wanted to ask Major when I saw him at the Cricket, if she swallowed or if she was worried about salmonella

        • 405

          All PMs fail. Major did too, but really not badly by Brown’s standards.

          Didn’t Major do the Maastricht EUscumbaggy-nonsense on us? If so, we’ll have to stop his pension too and demand back what’s already paid to him.

        • 477
          Obama is a twat says:

          But he did enjoy shagging Edwina Curry.

        • 503
          cant hunter says:

          What I wanted to know about Major was , how many O and A levels he won. Do you remember that fleeting news item in, I think ,’95 that threatened to reveal, or at least claim, that Major lied on his application form to join Standard and Chartered bank. Actually I always thought that Major was a rather seedy individual who ‘got on’ by ingratiating himself with his immediate superior(s). Still it all seems like political arcadia now compared with Bliar and Broon.

      • 318
        Anonymous says:

        Does anyone remember Spitting Image, I am not sure whether the puppets grew more like the politicos or the politicos grew more like the puppets, a bit like the end of Animal Farm. Bring back Spitting Image now that would be enterainment, funny it stopped when B’liar &co came into power.

    • 20
      Ken Lorp says:

      Guido – come clean now. Are you an extreme right wing blogger?

      And to think you had us all fooled for so long. Thank God for Lord Rumba or we’d never know :-)

      • 79
        Peter Grimes says:

        And it suits the Non-Independent to blame right-wing bloggers for exposing McDoom’s sickness and support Lady Mandlebum’s lies rather than acknowledging the truth that he is bonkers.

        • 113
          The Baiters Master says:

          Is the PM is just a miserable kit or is he really clinically ill? If he’s on medication then it is right that people know, his judgement is critical and if his faculties are in question we not only have a right to be told it is the duty of those around him to tell us. I suspect his just in a fug and is being maudlin cantankerous angry git. Either way it’s game over for Labour and we can all look forward to having that smarmy kit Dave at the helm.

          God I loathe them all.

        • 407
          Watching the dying party in Brighton with 300 strategically placed audience members says:

          The Independent newspaper, you mean the one owned by an Irish republican fella, who owns an Oil company, providence resources, drilling for Oil in the Irish Sea. I guess that level of hypocrisy goes cap in hand with their Eco credentials to save the planet and furry little sea creatures.

    • 21
      Fluff says:

      When Kennedy went on the Telly sweating like a pig and making no sense, the press kept quiet about his drinking. Eventually as the situation worsened Kennedy had to go. Perhaps if he had had to face the music earlier he may have saved his job and health.

      So when Gordon went on the Telly sweating like a pig and making no sense, perhaps Marr was doing hoim a favour by giving him the chance to come out and face up to his problems? Sadly Marr fluffed the question and Gordon the answer.

      • 130
        Anonymous says:

        I agree it was a gift to brown to try and quell the rumours from a friendly interviewer so I think all this is fake anger.

        Brown only denied taking painkillers, not anti-depressants and even then, didn’t repeat himself so could just claim he mis-spoke and was saying ‘no’ that he disagreed with the question or was talking about his dodgy eyes
        (which if he is saying the other is perfect, why the big fonts?!)

        methinks guido was very sensative about posting the story after others but seems to have all the blame… so maybe if he’s gonna get the blame anyway just screw sensitivity next time!

      • 336
        N18MER says:

        NIXON!

      • 373
        Infanta of Castile says:

        There I was thinking you were talking about JFK at the start of this post

    • 25
      Road_Hog says:

      Well it was all going to be so simple, Mandlebum just had to get McDoom through the conference and past the Irish Yes referendum and then he could dump him.

      Now those bouncing Czechs have stuffed it up by not holding their referendum until next year some time. Ho hum, it’s all going to be fun, stuck with a leader that they don’t want who is a sure fire vote loser.

      • 32
        going mental says:

        road could get intresting if its deylaid until after a genral election , what would labour say in there manifesto ?

        • 56
          Road_Hog says:

          Going mental, what would Labour say in their manifesto, well two answers.

          One they’d say that they would have a referendum and then renege on it just like last time.

          Two, who gives a fuck what they put in their manifesto, it’s not as if they’re going to get elected , is it?

        • 458
          Mr Ned says:

          Since when have labour kept a manifesto pledge?

          Let’s recap:

          No more boom and bust….. Lie!
          No increase in university tuition fees… Lie!.
          No privatisation of the London Underground…. Lie!
          Ethical foreign policy….. BIG cynical, war-criminal-sized LIE!!!
          Education, education, educati….. (after Balls’ £2Billion cuts)… Lie!

          and the real biggie… A referendum on the EU treaty. LIE LIE LIE!!!

          The only manifesto promise that I am glad that they have not fully implemented yet is their poisonous ID card scheme.

          Tellingly, they have not fully dropped it yet either!

      • 55
        Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

        I believe that the Tories have the same problem. Also; I don’t believe that most people can be described as right wing or left wing whatever that means. Folk just want honesty, morality and fairness in life. We DO know right from wrong though if mandy wants to label this site as ‘Right’!

    • 34
      Fluff says:

      When Kennedy went on the Telly sweating like a pig and making no sense, the press kept quiet. Eventually as the situation worsened Kennedy had to go. Perhaps if he had had to face the music earlier he may have saved his job and health.

      So when Gordon went on the Telly sweating like a pig and making no sense, perhaps Marr was doing hoim a favour by giving him the chance to come out and face up to his problems? Sadly Marr fluffed the question and Gordon the answer.

    • 106
      Anonymous says:

      Exactly…who gives a fuck about his blindness? I’d gouge out my eyes “playing rugby” if I had to wake up to that lumpen wife of his. It’s his mental condition that Marr never pressed him on.

      Where did this originate originally??? Campbell with his “pyschologically flawed” comment. Cabinet members leaking to the press about his behaviour. Civil servants reporting numerous stoties about his rage.

      THEY FUCKING STARTED THE SMEAR THEMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • 288
        barefootcontessa says:

        Was it Mandleson himself who set the chinese whispers awandering?

        • 356
          One flew over the No10 bunker says:

          But don’t you see now he can blame others and has plausible deniability. Its all a game to to mandlebum

      • 437
        Watching the dying party in Brighton with 300 strategically placed audience members says:

        Marr should have asked him if his comment about being a cross channel ferry Roll on Roll Off was a little bit too personal, we do not want to know anything about his twice no thrice sexual encounters. I always thought his Chilrdren were from the Test tube.

        Rumour has it from Kate the make up lady at the beeb, the prime mentalist was foaming at the mouth when he came out of the interview with Marr. So can we add distemper or Rabies to his list of illnesses now.

    • 142
      udderly 'orrible says:

      Mail likes your “Anyone but Gordon” meme

      Anyone but Gordon: Voters would prefer almost any other Cabinet minister over Brown

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216541/Gordon-Browns-fury-BBC-pills-question.html?ITO=1490#ixzz0SOcC1v69

      • 246
        Deadcat O'Bunce says:

        I like the sound of Gordon Brown’s fury. Sounds just like a tamagochi but bigger. Where can I buy one? Do pet-shops sell them?

        • 314
          Muppet says:

          Not quite. A “Gordon Browns Fury” is a type of fishing lure specifically aimed at attracting the rather slimy bottom feeders originating in the polution filled channels of places like Brussels, for example.

          • Quim reaper says:

            A Gordon Browns Fury sounds like a poo so large and irregular in form that it’s near impossible to displace.

            Man in toilet cubicle: “Nrngghgaaaaaah”
            Worried Bystander: “Sir, are you ok in there?”
            MITC: “I’m ok, i’m just having trouble passing a Gordon Browns Fury.”

      • 355

        Nokia making a large delivery to No 10 this morning.

        • 474
          Finnish Delivery Man says:

          We lost contract to Chinese who send second make Nokia much cheap than new Finnis model. Man on telephone say treasury cutback.

  2. 2
    going mental says:

    actully good on marr fpr having some bollocks to ask the great one the question

    • 5
      Anonymous says:

      pity it was the wrong one

      • 15
        Nick Drew says:

        King Gord’s Conference (apologies to AA Milne)

        King Gord was not a good man
        A coward to his bones
        He hurled abuse at all his staff
        And often mobile ‘phones
        But every year at Conference
        They’d let him out to speak
        He’d give them tractor stats galore
        He’d be applauded from the floor
        Ovations too (the whips made sure)
        How he loved Conference Week !

        King Gord was not a good man
        He lived his life aloof
        He’d thought of stepping ‘neath a bus
        Or jumping from the roof
        A Conference speech he had to make
        But naught to say of note
        He couldn’t get to sleep at night
        Till Sarah, pitying his plight
        “To Santa Claus, you’d better write”
        And this is what he wrote.

        “I want to meet Obama,
        And I want good news
        And victory in Afghanistan
        Would help to cure the blues
        I don’t mind lying
        So it needn’t all be true
        And it SHOULD make me look better
        Than Tony you-know-who
        And, oh! Father Christmas, if you want to help me sleep
        A photo please of Cameron, in congress with a sheep!”

  3. 3
    English Liberation Front says:

    Nothing so hilarious on a Monday morning as Mandy’s faux outrage and the tribal indignation of the biters bit. Just the icing on the cake that the catalyst is their own BBC stooge Marr.

    • 19
      backwoodsman says:

      Indeed, and calling a libertarian blog like this, extreme right wing, is like calling Mandy a serial fraudster . Oh, wait a minute !
      Also, note to our part time troll. The fact that cameron got as high as a kite during his student days , really doen’t matter a flying fuck, thats how right wing we are. At least he’s sane now.

      • 22
        going mental says:

        most of us done drugs when younger , shame some of us ( gordon ) are now addicted to popping pills

        • 259
          I Love E says:

          Just when it’s announced that the ‘government’ is about to relax the rules on the confidentiality of medical records, along comes an apparently drug-addicted PM. Will the proposed disclosure rules allow us a peek into his pill cupboard, I wonder……….? Or will the bastard be dead by then. I think it’ll be the latter.

      • 36
        EC1 PhD says:

        Sorry Mandy but extreme right wing blogs do not attract the attention of either the main stream media or senior political figures in the Government or the Opposition. Therefore, by your own logic, you are wrong again. Pathetic, really.

      • 92
        Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

        “high as a kite during his student days”.

        Well he must have been. He signed up for the conservative party when clearly he should have been signing up to the lib-dems.

    • 51
      A Pensioner says:

      Suspect this is Mandy stirring it up to make sure it keeps running. Why else would he open his fat trap?

      • 65
        Captain Haddock says:

        ‘Cos he just can’t resist the limelight .. there’s only one thing Mangledbum loves more than pulling the strings .. and that’s himself ..

        • 146
          Boycott the ПРАВДА licence fee says:

          Oh yeah? What about ‘taking it up the arse’ then?

          • W.E Gladrags says:

            Speaking of which; what is it that has bound Tony, Gord and Peter together through all the trauma of trying to satisfy their own ambition without publicly betraying the others?

    • 93
      Road_Hog says:

      Yes good to see Mandy squirm.

      “Peter Mandelson is throwing accusations about “We have seen out there on the Internet, the blogosphere”

      Roughly translated to say, “we don’t like blogosphere, we can’t control it, and the Internet can spread the truth”

      First they were going to restrict P2P, next would have been blogs.

    • 145
      Francis Futurama says:

      Has anyone told Mandy that the point of faux outrage is to not, well, not look too faux?

    • 301
      barefootcontessa says:

      What a horrible blood sucking tick he is. This am on radio 4 trying to sound relaxed and approachable, and pleasant! Naughtie couldn’t get a word in edgeways ( he’s a useless political interviewer anyway), mandlescum walked all over him.

  4. 4
    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

    When I watched the recording of the Marr show yesterdau, I was struck by exactly how much Hoon is living in a fantasy world of his own making-still talking of “opportinities” and other fallacious nonsense.

    Now, as psychiatrists will tell you-when the disparity between your perceived world and the reality becomes so great, there is only one word for it-

    PSYCHOSIS-the man is literally MAD

    PS -changed my opinion of Marr for the better

    • 8
      Andrew Efiong says:

      Guido, could you remind us who was emailing nasty stuff about Ivan Cameron’s death, George Osborne’s wife, and MPs with STDs?

      After all, I seem to recall people WITHIN DOWNING STREET were doing these disgusting things. Mandelson should look to clean up his own house first.

      • 38
        V says:

        THEY can dish it out but of course THEY can’t take it. Bloody typical of Labour who use the personal smear as “De Rigeur” against anyone who disagrees with them and have done since 1994

        • 178
          jez says:

          Absolutely right. Memo to the labour party’s disgusting full time sleaze merchants : “if you can’t catch ‘em – then don’t bowl ‘em”. You’re nothing but a bunch of poisonous stinking hypocrites. As for Mandelson – Poisoner in Chief – please leave the planet – today will do just fine.

    • 23
      Reg511 says:

      Still think Marr as started the process of making Bruins wierdness a non-story. He is a nulabour collaborator.

      Watched Bruin getting really sweatty on Marr, this next week should be fun

    • 46
      Road_Hog says:

      For anyone who missed the sweat monster McDoom it’s on iplayer.

      Interview starts just after 23 minutes.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n13px/The_Andrew_Marr_Show_27_09_2009/

      • 490
        EC1 PhD says:

        For those of you who don’t relish the thought of holding your keyboard under the tap to wash the vomit off, fast forward to 47 minutes when Marr starts the bit about the pill popping.

  5. 6

    Let him take all the pills he wants. Sadly it does not change his membership of the Enemy Class General Staff. Not one bit.

  6. 7
    Jethro Q. Walrus-Titty says:

    BTW Lord Fondlebum, I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO KNOW if the man leading this country is a depressive and is on medication.

    Its what is known as THE PUBLIC INTEREST

    • 85

      The President’s medical records are in the public domain in the US (cf. The West Wing & MS); and the UK Prime Minister is a far more powerful (relatively speaking), non-consensual position than POTUS.

    • 163
      Boycott the ПРАВДА licence fee says:

      Depression is one thing; psychosis is another. Churchill was a great leader who suffered from depression. It didn’t do the country any harm. Brown is clearly out of touch with reality and therefore, by definition, pyschotic. Big difference!

  7. 9
    hmmm says:

    fyi – sweating is a recognised side effect of many anti-depressants…

  8. 10
    Fluff says:

    But he got the Question wrong. There are NO rumours about painkillers.

  9. 11
    Obama is a twat says:

    Lets be honest here, Marr is a Liebour luvvie, he wants them to win the next election and the only way to do that is if McCoward falls on Mandelbum’s pork sword

  10. 13
    AP says:

    ‘The extreme right blogsphere’ ????? Listen to Lord Mortgage of Fraud spin away. He is trying to stoke up a bit of outrage to prevent Brown having to answer the question.

    Incidentally, how sad was it yesterday seeing all those empty seats? It was a real show of feet verdict on Brown, his cabinet and their disastrous government from their own side.

    • 31
      South of the M4 says:

      It was not sad, but just. This nonsense of a government has gone on too long and to the long-term detriment of us all. Cameroon has repeatedly failed to nail the coffin and if it takes the missing bodies of NuLabour supporters to act as the catalyst then that is ok. Whichever way, they have to go.

      • 323
        Budgie says:

        There are only two options:
        1. Cameron is too incompetent to nail this odious government
        2. Cameron could, but chooses not to, nail Liebore.

    • 37
      Comment says:

      Only front rows full this morning, streets empty, quite eary,

      • 71
        Brighton 2009 - proud to be twinned with Moscow 1972 says:

        Moscow was like that when Breshnev was in town for the Soviet shin dig – total shut down – almost tempted to go down there and exercise my “rights” to swim in the sea and shout some choice words to the Scottish fraudster (did you see him walking along the sea front this morning with his poor wife – even then he was using his arms to make a point to her!) – Brown has never come face to face with a “normal” – ie totally ruined – Briton cos he is petrified of us.

    • 129

      To repeat a question I asked last nigh,t but have been unable to find the answer elsewhere:

      Does anyone know if there are rules on quorum for the Liebour conference?

      From the pics of empty seats in the main hall, would it not be rather amusing if the whole meeting was declared inquorate?

  11. 14
    Centre Parting says:

    Sooner or later BBC defendants and protectors of New Labia such as Marr and Pienaar really had to see that they were backing a lost and discredited cause, for fear of looking totally ridiculous.

    What is not surprising is that BBC management did not and are still not pushing them into balanced analysis.

    • 30
      Chairman of the Bored says:

      Pienarr is a disgrace to fair mided and impartial reporting. Radio 5 Live or 5 lilly- livered?

      They (the BBC luvvies)must be absolutely dreading the general election result.

      The only BBC commentator with any actual credibility is Brillo and he wouldn’t have asked the wrong question nor would he have proceeded to let Broon off the hook so easily.

      • 81
        Bankrupt Britain says:

        Agreed. Brillo is the only person at the BBC I would not fire or string up.

        • 295

          Darling on with Brillo now on the DP show – and Brillo’s giving him a proper journalistic interview, challenging him on what he said and putting across the opposing point of view.

          Like political interviews used to be before the spin-meisters got in the way and Broon was sent to GMTV for a comfy sofa chat with such hardballs as Fiona Phillips and Mrs Dolly…

          • Budgie says:

            The reality is that it is impossible for a newspaper or TV channel to be impartial. Only the BBC peddles that myth, in order to keep their unexamined and anti-competitive licence fee in place.

          • Budgie, I think you’re right, no matter how impartial the media tries to be, they can never get there.

            The BBC is trying so hard to avoid being labelled as right-biased that they can’t see that they are actually percieved as being being left-biased by a significant majority.

        • 526
          Anonymous says:

          Eddie Mair isn’t bad on the wireless either. But mostly they should take the Quislings out to the nearest forest next June and shoot the fucking lot of them.

  12. 16
    Pete-s says:

    A ggod question would have been ‘Are you on prescription medication’. So now the real question will not be asked and Mandelson has brought it to prominence. I expect this is getting the idea ready to be used if it all goes tits up.

    • 29
      Centre Parting says:

      I think Marr asked about pain killers so as not to be too direct.
      Brown didn’t even answer on that – if he had said that he takes pain killers for a bad back or similar, this story would have died – instead, as usual, he can’t answer a straight, simple question – not even a half-arsed denial.

  13. 17
    Sukyspook says:

    “We have seen out there on the Internet, the blogosphere, all these extreme right-wing people trying to put these smears and rumours about…” – The Mail.

    “Having dealt with the Libyan oil deal, he then moved on to the question of stopping internet users from illegally downloading copyrighted music and films. His plan to solve this problem was to cut off the broadband connections of internet users who are seen as guilty of this offence.” -

    http ://newsblaze dot com/story/ 20090826143947ianb.nb/topstory.html

    No doubt the reason Mandy is all for “cutting off broadband connections” of illegal downloaders is that that’s obviously the front for cutting the connections of anyone who would dare challenge the globalist/Fabian/communitarian ‘party line’.

    “I love my country” said Peter (don’t you know who I am) Mandlescum – BUT WHICH COUNTRY IS THAT MANDY??? It’s certainly not the one I live in…ie what used to be known as England.

    • 35
      Roger Daley says:

      Sounds about right Sukyspook, The Grand Old Duchess Mandelscum also seems to be losing it big time.

    • 231

      Yet more extra-judicial punishments this joke of a government wishes to burden upon the economy…

    • 257
      caesars wife says:

      let us not forget the spy on you quango powers to listen in on political opponents , mandelsons attck is interesting , i mean isnt it just an open goal to say , all the non answer media tripe being force fed us , these horrid smears are a direct reaction to all the lies they have been spinning us .

      yvette and liam byrne discussion was just another conservative attck , blaming the 80s i ask you having been gifted the budget of 1997 they go and blame the tories . if mandelson cant even admitt all this has happend on there watch , with there polices , he cant really make the call of smears can he , when he cant be a good enough politician to admitt they have sent us all into slavery .

      Ruin on marr show said this is going to take a long time to sort out , selling of assetts (that we have already paid for) i mean what more evidence do you need of complete failure to manage properly the nations wealth , a smear about a decieving incompetant government unfit for purpose , comes nearer the catagory of doing the public a favour . doesnt he get it , we are angry that he wishes to con us into the EU and cover up for his goverments frauds and deceptions with our future work and wealth , doesnt he see that that he had no right to be dishonest in bartering our futures for his wonk ideaology with out even consulting us .

      they are elected to serve us and our country , wonk NWO are for movies , in the Uk I expect to be told truth and elect my goverment on what they say they are going to do , not pay for it after and be told “it is the right thing to do” by a wonk euro socialist dictatorship

      • 459
        Mongrel says:

        Don’t forget Mandelson had just had a cozy diner a deux with David Geffen, the record mogul named the most influential gay man in America in 2007. There is probably something to the grand conspiracy theories, but Lord Hinduja’s past track record makes it abundantly clear that he thinks the law is just a vehicle for doing favours for his rich and powerful chums.

    • 322
      barefootcontessa says:

      Mandlescum loves mandlescum – end of story.

  14. 18
    Olly boy says:

    Well done to Marr for asking the question but that’s about it. He didn’t give Brown a hard time during the interview although I didn’t expect anything more from a Labour stooge.

    Brown is a bonkers weirdo. Quite how anyone can deny that escapes me. Just look at his You Tube video or the numerous comments made by various colleagues or people who know him. Can they all be wrong?

    Answer: no.

    Brown is bonkers, mad, a loon, a nutcase – whatever you want to call it and needs to be sectioned before he does anymore damage to the UK.

  15. 24
    strapworld says:

    I believe Peter Oborne wrote an article in the Mail on this question?

    So many denials, Guido, it MUST be true!

  16. 26
    Terrible But True says:

    BBC, SKY (and I am sure others) persisting in conflating (or allowing the two to be so) ancient rugby-inflicted eye injuries with rather more pertinent concerns on the cocktails that may explain, if not excuse the words and deeds of the ‘best man for the job’ for the last decade or more, to date.

    We did have a blind Home Sec. for a while, and that didn’t seem an issue with many folk (though it did seem to have some effect on his seeing the full picture – no apologies – when making life or death decisions), much as Mr. Brown upwards would like to make his struggle/fight/courage dealing with his eye injury the story.

    But I am still having to clean the cornflakes off the monitor following this gem from one of the world’s other most trustworthy and revered pols, Mr. Mandelson:

    ‘we know [it] is a fact, because Gordon Brown has said it is so’.

    Yuh-huh, PM, yuh-huh.

  17. 27
    mad fred 2 para - retired - (for now) says:

    BBC Lobby journailsts – taxpayer funded

    Politicans – taxpayer funded.

    Thats why no-one from Pravda asks Mcmental any difficult questions.

    Marrs fig leaf of a question is a sop to his dismal past performance at holding the Labour leaders to account.

    • 40
      Centre Parting says:

      I agree but careful Fred, Armed Forces taxpayer funded as well.

      Hierarchy in Forces don’t get too high if they rock the boat – they must take a lot of the blame for not knowing their limitations or conveying them properly to the politicians.

  18. 28
    going mental says:

    fawkes you a right wing blogger? fuck nearly as good acting as a pm popping pills , what planet is lord fucking mandy from ?

  19. 33
    Baroness de Jockland says:

    That’s me off the hook or scotch free as we say at home in the Caribbean.

    Gordon’s a loon, the banks have run off with all the money, the war criminals are gagging to genocide the Persians. Who really gives a fuck about a cleaner and a passport, as I was saying to George Foulkes at the bar last night.

  20. 39
    MATTHEW 21:12-22 says:

    If Brown is not on medication there is no excuse other than Brown being a deeply evil human

    10p Tax, War in Iraq, the constant feed of ambiguous information on “cuts”, reckless squandering of the communities assets, it’s like selling the church gold for a knockdown price, allowing money lendersdistort the village market, then when the church roof goes there is nothing left

    Brown needs help from a Priest rather than the medical profession

  21. 42
    "Dead Labour 2009" says:

    When you scroll down the Sky programme list,the BBC Parliament channel has;

    “Live Labour 2009″

    Now does that mean “live” as in the opposite is “DEAD” or does it mean “live” as in “experience” or “get a bit of this mate”.

    Cos surely it really should read;

    “Dead Labour 2009 (or whenever the coward gets the ball’s to call an election)”

  22. 44
    Rascal Puff says:

    What on earth is wrong with asking a question… just fucking answer it…!!!

    • 58
      going mental says:

      and change the habit of the last 12 years

    • 124
      Chairman of the Bored says:

      The questions are not (or shouldn’t be) the problem for an adult, about rumours have been widely circulating…the inability to answer them truthfully or satisfactorily is and has become the issue.

      Any fair minded rational individual ought to have welcomed the opportunity to put the record straight.

      As I said ‘fair minded rational individual.’

  23. 45
    nell says:

    So mandy is mad because the blogosphere, namely, Guido has fuelled rumours about gordon’s ‘depression’.

    So what is mandy doing about it ?- trying to put out the flames? Nope. He’s running around studios and writing to newspapers talking the story up.

    Result – start of conference week – the Big labour story is gordon’s possible use of anti-depressants, which calls into question his true state of mind and whether he is fit to do the PM’s job. The 2nd labour story is, of course. Baroness Scotland – will she resign or will she be sacked.

    Doesn’t look as if this week is going to be any better for gordon than last week was, does it?

    • 57
      EC1 PhD says:

      Loving it. And if someone had managed to record Mandy’s conversation with the security guard, even better.

      • 235
        Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

        EC1Phd- “You’re not welcome here you ermine clad toff. Oh, it’s you. Come on in yo Lordship”

    • 60
      A Pensioner says:

      Quite right Nell, mandy is giving this oxygen. Why? Anything else needs hiding at the moment?

    • 64
      Yep says:

      Exactly. Mandy is making jolly well sure that this story is all over the mainstream media.

      • 74
        EC1 PhD says:

        Being a clever bastard, Mandy may be preparing the ground for moves against Gordon later this week.

        • 128
          Chairman of the Bored says:

          “Moves”?

          Please define…

          • udderly 'orrible says:

            Is he perhaps trying to prevent flak over plans to make bankster bonuses illegal?

            Certainly trying to move Baroness TongoTongo off the front pages.
            (and we haven’t forgotton you B.Udders!)

          • EC1 PhD says:

            We know that should the polls remain the same until next May, the New Labour project is over. Mandy is fast coming to the conclusion that with Gordon Brown at the helm, he will drive the Government straight onto the Northern Rocks. It being Labour Conference week, a move to replace Gordon Brown this week will overshadow the message from the Conservative conference and sap the media oxygen that the Conservatives would be looking to enjoy. So, it makes sense for Mandy to play kingmaker in the background and ensure that the most electable new old labour figure be advanced: queue music from Postman Pat.

    • 89
      Gertrude says:

      The lady doth protest too much, methinks

  24. 48
    Deepthroat says:

    Don’t be shy Guido – you ran a cartoon showing Brown shovelling pills down his throat 3 days before Mathew Norman ran the story.

    • 110

      True. As Guido mentioned in his piece the day the Matthew Norman article ran.

    • 162
      Moley says:

      What matters is not who first made the suggestion; it’s whether or not it is true.

      Having a Prime Minister of a nuclear power who is on drugs which may alter his judgement, is a matter of serious global public interest.

      The leaders of the G20 should be putting the question as well, not just the BBC.

      • 272
        Deadcat O'Bunce says:

        They answered it already by giving him that world statesman award – it was his political obituary. Everyone bar none is waiting for him to FOAD.

  25. 49
    Troughy says:

    OT

    The journalism Blog’s pic of a dossing Mickey Shite is class. Had nobody the wit to tie his laces together?

  26. 54
    Government-by-Cluster-Fuck says:

    I detect a desperate smell of fear coming from the Nu-Liebore turkey shed.

    The foxes are prowling outside, the “extreme right-wing” are coming to get them.

    Anyone who dares question official statements is now “extreme right-wing”.

    Perhaps they need to up their medication , the paranoias are showing again.

    • 120
      Anonymous says:

      Seems that way eh?

      Same in America, if you’re against massive, unaccountable, debt addicted government then you’re part of an ‘extreme right wing conspiracy’ (hat tip billy boy clinton)

      Milliband remarked that those in favour of a referendum on lisbon were extremists (bloody irish!), mandleson now claims that this blog is extreme right wing, what about iain dale is he extreme right wing?

      I would highly recommend viewing brown’s 2007 appearance at the select committee grilling the PM (the heads of all select committees & PM for 2hrs) as it is quite scary and gives a really good insight into brown’s ‘vision’ for the country. The best part is a question asking him to define “anti social behavior”, brown rambles, the questioner elaborates; “what about a grumpy old man in a block of flats that keeps himself to himself and doesn’t participate in or talk to his neighbors or community, is he exhibiting ‘anti social’ behavior?” brown rambles “yes and we need to do such and such about it”..

      We should be worried by the language they are using, claiming decent as ‘extremism’, brown on marr claiming that he wants to ‘rebuild’ our economy, politics and society, the classic “elected unopposed” (now used by barroso) and the whole idea of “fighting” for ‘Britain’s future’.

      i am still confused as to why the bookies don’t have odds listed for ‘no election’ as we are governed by confirmed anti – democrats who seem to believe their ideology is so important that it cannot be questioned and certainly not voted on. did you see brown dismiss the euro election results on marr? “pm you only got 8% here in the south east worst result since 1910″, “those were mid terms, happen all the time. irrelevant, a referendum on the government” well if that’s the case, why are you still in power?

      things can only get darker

      • 202
        Peter Grimes says:

        The really funny thing is Mad Dog McDoom’s idea of a law to ensure that budgets and borrowing are brought into line in a Parliamentary session.

        This from the fucking idiot who whilst almost doubling our debt up to 2007 claimed to have paid it down!

  27. 59
    "Dead Labour 2009" says:

    The next scene we will watch on the “Dead Labour 2009″ conference will be a half dead murder victim lying on the stage pouring blood from multiple wounds while a crowd of Labour people sit with the criminal and calmly and very soothingly discuss what HE is a victim of and how HE needs to be cared for and compensated……all the while complaining to the security staff that the half dead victim IS making a lot of noise and a real mess on the carpet……

    Watching this stuff makes watching normal day time TV look positively invigorating!

  28. 72
    just sayin says:

    Are there any of the other 29 players who were on the field at the time who can confirm the sad story?

  29. 77
    Raving Loon says:

    Why does mandy say “extreme” right wing bloggers? Does he mean pro BNP or Nazi’s, or just anyone who thinks that the government running every waking moment of our lives is a bad idea?

  30. 78
    The Sleeper says:

    They’re wheeling out as many Ministers as they can at the moment..all spewing out exactly the same script.

    No original thought from any of them…all Tory cuts now ,where Labour will only cut after when appropriate…no other Country agrees with Tories blah blah.

    Brillo gave Bradshaw a grilling,who started to contradict himself,before returning to the script (as above)…

    I sense extreme and terminal panic deep inside the bunker.

  31. 80
  32. 82
    streamfisher says:

    More obfuscation and spin from the usual culprits (Mandelson and Alastair Campbell). Wonder what the reaction would have been if Marr ( that well known right-wing extremist) had suggested to Gordon:
    You are rather like a football team. Sometimes you see them playing and their heads go down and they start making mistakes and they lose the will to live…. that’s Alastair Darling, Gordon’s chancellor of the exchequer, talking about his own party. Talking of complaints to the BBC, I have complained in the past about A. Campbell when he was angling to get his own programme on al pravda, funded by you the licence fee-payer, then he pops up on Watchdog of all things, what a bloody joke!

    • 107
      Reg511 says:

      Radio 4 cain reaction last week and this, being Repackaged and Rebranded, to ease him into a part of Really NuLiebour?

  33. 87

    This is such bollocks.

    I’m convinced Mandy put the question in Marr’s hand, put the answer in Gordon’s, and is now convinced that he’s created a situation in which 1) similar questions won’t be asked again of Gordon, 2) questions regarding use of illegal drugs *will* be asked of Dave, 3) The media can tell themselves and us that Gordon has denied taking anti-depressants (when that was never asked).

    Mandy set this up, and he is running the media agenda. So what do we do? Keep pushing the story – the real story – Brown is bonkers. Point out that the anti-depressants question has been neither asked nor answered. Point out that Brown nonetheless barely squeaked though that interview – the man is *ill*. You dont’ need to be a doctor to see that.

    • 96
      Gertrude says:

      Thgey never objected when Dave was constantly questioned about his drug habbits.

      • 325
        A Rhetorician says:

        I would think Dave can still remember his Paxo experience, when Paxo launched straight into pink pussies; and that came from the man who fishes on the cusp of failure. So:

        To fish on the cusp of failure for everyone – or pink pussies for everyone?

    • 134
      Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

      Yes, all Marr had to say when Brown was going on interminably about his dodgy eyesight was.

      ‘Nobody is interested in your eyesight, the question is are you right in the head?’

      Simple enough, isn’t it? Even for a plank like Marr.

      Anyone who thinks Marr is no longer a stooge is stupid beyond belief.

      Having said that Marr may well put discretion before valour in asking Cameron about drugs since the BBC can foresee the end of the gravy train.

  34. 94
    Inglorious Basterd says:

    As far as the Inglorious Basterds arer concerned Brown should take more pills, the whole fucking bottle.

  35. 97
    Lizzie says:

    There is a saying “people who continually criticize others and name call are very insecure and unsure of themselves”. In other words Labour really have nothing to say other than keep slagging the oppostion. It is already tiresome and will become more so before the General Election arrives. Will shall all become quite immune to Labour’s rantings by then. Most of the people close to Brown are behaving like schoolboys, defending the school bully, they all fear the oppostion benches, which some of them have never experienced.

  36. 98
    Road_Hog says:

    Quite frankly, this government is enough to turn anyone to drink.

  37. 100
    Colonel Nut says:

    Athletes have regular drug tests and others in responsible positions may be tested if suspected of taking substances that alter or impair their ability to properly perform their duties.Surely in a society awash with drugs it would now be prudent to apply this safeguard to politicians, the more so to those in highest political office?

    • 103
      Anonymous says:

      Armed forces, Pilots, Police, train drivers to name just a few. Quite why the man on the nuclear trigger should be exempt is rather odd.

      • 135
        jgm2 says:

        If I want to get a shotgun licence I have to give permision for plod to contact my GP in case I’ve got drug, alchohol or mental issues

        But this fucker sticks his hand up along with Blair and a few other cabinet jackasses and we have a war in Iraq?

    • 104
      Fells Point barfly says:

      You, Col Nut, are absolutely correct. In my last job before retirement, I could be tested any time without notice.

      Imperative that our leaders are subjected to the same rules. Sort the wheat from the weed, won’t it?

  38. 114
    going mental says:

    is the hatered of the labor party and gordon the same as john major and the torys in 96/97?

  39. 116
    lolol says:

    I see that the Liebour conference is packed out again,turned on to the parly channel to and listening to the speakers it,s back to the seventies again,reminds me of a young ones show,where they were on tv talking about jobs.

  40. 122
    jgm2 says:

    The question I’d like Marr to ask Brown is why anybody would trust Brown on the economy given this list of predictions…

    Projected defecits from Labours own budgets since 2002

    2002 11, 13, 13, 17, 18
    2003 27, 24, 23, 22, 22
    2004 37.5, 33, 31, 27, 27, 23
    2005 34, 32, 29, 27, 24, 22
    2006 37, 36, 30, 25, 24, 22
    2007 35, 34, 30, 28, 26, 24
    2008 43, 38, 32, 27, 23
    2009 175, 173, 140, 118, 97

    I can find only one case there of a predicted deficit being lower year on year. His 2005 prediction for 2006 is lower by 1bn in 2006. But offset by an extra 4bn quid from the following year.

    Once. In 44 forward predictions he surprised us once on the upside. By one billion quid. Out of over 900bn quid.

    And we’re to trust this man with the economy.

    Fuck drugs. This is the story. The man is a financial incompetent who has fucked the UK’s economy.

    It’s there in black and white in every budget speech he’s ever given.

    We were running a 35bn quid a year (PLUS 15bn PFI) structural deficit in BOOM years.

    That’s why we are fucked.

    • 125
      jgm2 says:

      Correction. His 2006 projection is lower by 1bn in 2007.

      Otherwise – as you were.

    • 133
      A Pensioner says:

      Facinating table. It might be even more revealing to see a comaprison with “actuals” – notwithstanding all the off balance sheet malarky.

      • 141
        jgm2 says:

        3% of GDP was the ‘magic’ number. They figured if they borrowed 3% of GDP indefinitely then they could ‘guarantee’ GDP growth year on year.

        Ponzi economics as national policy.

        • 153
          A Pensioner says:

          The more I reflect on those numbers, the more shocked I am. A total cretin would understand that none of that was sustainable. WTF has been going on in the Treasury amongst the professional civil servants? Surely they are not all placemen?

          • jgm2 says:

            Indeed they are placemen. Or cynical timeservers.

            Like the 45 Minutes debacle they are simply ordered to go back and reverse engineer a financial scenario to support these here figures wot I pulled out of my arse this morning.

            Or I’ll hire somebody who will.

          • ­Phil O'Pastree says:

            You get the impression they’re borrowing off VISA.

          • Engineer says:

            It gets worse when you add them all up. The result is Gordon’s net contribution to the National Debt.

          • It wasn’t meant to be sustainable – it was meant to fuck the country. An economically powerful country could tell the EUSSR to take a running jump; shell-shocked paupers cannot.

            QED.

          • jgm2 says:

            I think you have to add the first item in every column PLUS the entire last column to get his total contribution (and we know how generous he is to himself on any ‘predictions’ so it’ll be a fuck of a sight worse.

            But here it is….

            11+27+37.5+34+37+35+43+175+173+140+118+97

            = 890.5bn quid.

            PLUS PFI.

            And we’re wasting time asking about drugs?

          • jgm2 says:

            Jeezus. Entire last row. Not last column. Otherwise as you were.

          • A Pensioner says:

            So there we have it: the cost of completely fucking up the country – 1 trillion and counting. Way past the tipping point in every possible financial and social measure. The only sane course of action is FLIGHT.

          • Morrison's says:

            The total National Debt in 1997 was £340 billion. Add that to the figures above (and they’re projections, not actuals) and you get £1230 billion.

            Thanks, Gordon.

          • jgm2 says:

            That’s right folk. National debt quadrupled in only 13 years.

            The drugs story is a distraction. Baroness Scotland is a welcome distraction.

            It’s the economy stooopid.

          • This should be front page news but somehow it is not. Well done Marr and Mandy.

          • Engineer says:

            The interest payments at 3.5% per annum on this debt are £43 billion a year, before any capital repayment. Total tax receipts are about £400 billion per year, so that’s about 11% of GDP (national earnings) just to pay off the national credit card.

            Could build a lot of schools and hospitals with £43 billion a year. Not now, we can’t.

          • Engineer,

            The money would be wasted if the state builds and runs those skools n hospitals.

            As we know by now rising inputs do not feed into rising outputs.

            Far better to loan the money to parents to buy their children private schooling at RPI.

    • 256
      jgm2 says:

      BTW. The Tories are welcome to borrow that table and mock up an ‘education. education & education’ poster giving

      Economics: Gordon Brown 1/44. (2.3%)

      Fail.

      Or A*.

      Or ‘deferred success’.

      As necessary.

    • 282
      caesars wife says:

      good post . gordon madhoff !LOL

      dont forget PFI has been cranked up since 2004 .

      so he used to personal credit boom to trubo the economy and get the tax revenuses in to reduce the debt ?? so his growth is actually all the sub prime boost he did then therby putting debt onto banks and creating a bust , so he just used sub prime as a sort of third party goverment borrowing fiddle then ??

      It all makes sense now , now wonder he waved the bounuses through and let them trade securitised debts

      • 294
        jgm2 says:

        No. He pump-primed the economy with the borrowed money in 2002. Employed one million bedwetters, box-tickers and bastards overnight and put an average of 30K each into their hands.

        They promptly went out and bid up the price of the limited housing stock by 15% in someyears. He rigged the inflation figures to justify (then) record low interest rates.

        The Great British Public saw their houses ‘going up’ in value 15% a year and low interest rates and went bonkers borrowing money against their inflating asset. Public happy. Voters happy. Bankers happy. Labour happy. Job done.

        Lending out of control. Economy fucked.

        But according to Brown it’s all the banks fault. Or the yanks. Or Margaret Thatchers.

        • 310
          caesars wife says:

          so he took away the BOE powers to the tripartae sytem to enable this then as BOE would never have allowed it ! but did he want to destroy UK banking to make EU aquiessece , no referendum makes us go cap in hand to Euro rule , hes made complete fools out of us .

          weve been had

          • jgm2 says:

            No cw. I think it was pure incompetence that got us to here.

            Labour decided they wanted to hire one million Labour voters and hide them from the unemployment figures. They didn’t give a second thought to what would happen after that.

            The fact that they’d have to borrow 30bn quid a year to pay them because the ‘real’ economy wasn’t generating enough tax revenue. The effect of 30bn borrowed quid going into the economy. They didn’t worry about the consequences of that. they didn’t even consider them. But once they saw the consequences (housing boom) they decided to bask in the glow of all that borrowed money rather than taking the prudent but politically difficult choice to throw some sand on the flames. They moved from incomptence to recklessness.

            And so the debts all snow-balled. And we are where we are with Brown and the incompetent Labour apologists looking to blame every fucker on the planet except Gordon Brown. All still trying to kid on that it simply could not have been foreseen or averted.

            And that the only solution is to keep on borrowing even more money. Inflate away everybodies debts. trash the currency.

            I don’t believe it was part of a bigger plot to get us into Europe. They’re not that clever. Although they clearly are that fucking stupid.

          • Cyco Billy says:

            …meanwhile, CW, the big banks were piling into the OTC derivatives (a misnomer, as they were private arrangements, unlike share dealings, so no-one really knew who was betting with whom against what) in a big way, and it reached the point where they wanted Joe Public to join the game. Naturally there were warnings about this – when the bookies are giving odds of 10000/10001 you have to stake your house to win a round of drinks – but as McOmmie had multiplied the oversight quangos to the point where no-one knew who was responsible for what, no-one actually cared, as long as the accountants kept coming up with book numbers every year that showed things were always booming.

  41. 123
    mad fred 2 para - retired - (for now) says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216583/Ed-Balls-spends-3m-office-makeover–including-massage-room-Muslim-prayer-area.html

    Story about Balls spending £3 million quid on an office refit, including massage room & Muslim prayer area.

    A bit like Ceauşescu building lavish marble palaces right up to the final week of his life.

    If Ed balls is really the future of the Labour Party then they are in very deep trouble indeed.

    • 172
      nell says:

      Ed probably thought it was quite a modest refurbishment given that the refurbishment of the MoD offices in Whitehall cost £352million and no that is not a misprint I did say £352million!!!!

      What they could have done with that money if they had put it into equipment for our troops in Afghanstan.

    • 308
      streamfisher says:

      Another cock-up, it faces Mecca…the bingo hall.

  42. 131
    Marcus Oatcakes says:

    If the medication is not to blame, maybe there is some sexual dimension to Brown’s gurning

    Watch any of Brown’s recent facials and you have to wonder if there is sometimes a large Love Egg up the chutney mary

    • 180
      ­Phil O'Pastree says:

      Or perhaps he has some porridge stuck under his upper plate.

    • 228
      Marcus Welby MD says:

      Are you suggesting STD, perhaps tertiary stage syphilis? There really isn’t much evidence of blindness, paralysis, and insanity is there?

      • 275
        C L A P Clinic says:

        yes, – but the gait dear boy . . . the gait . . and the neologisms . and the gold tipped shoe laces

        • 397
          C L A P Clinic says:

          There – and I forgot the most important early sign! – only came to me when I was round the back wiv me sandwiches and fag – DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR – y’kno – Saving World / World Leader / Only Person . . and all the other claptrap we know so well.

          Sorry !

  43. 137
    going mental says:

    is there anything gordon has NOT fucked up ?

  44. 143
    Colonel Nut says:

    The boy Milliband is sporting a less alien helmet like hairstyle at the conference but the cropping has revealed grey flecks at the front.Is he metamorphosing into a skunk?

  45. 149
    Andrew Marr says:

    If you lot think I’m too soft – just wait ’till I get my hands on Cameron next week.

    I’ll show the Country it’s all his fault that the economy’s fucked. Many of the electorate are so thick (20% plus as we speak; and that’s before me and my colleagues at the Beeb really get going) they won’t grasp the fact that Cameron hasn’t been in Government for the last 12 years.

    Guardian readers rule OK!

    • 159
      jgm2 says:

      Guardian readers rule OK!

      I bet you prefer ‘Times’ writers.

    • 264
      streamfisher says:

      New Labour and Guardianistas have spent the last twelve years desperately trying to find an answer/excuse as to why everything has gone so horribly wrong, the conclusion.. Margaret Thatcher.

      • 461

        Yep, they’re delusional

        Mrs Thatcher came in after labour fooked the economy via inflation and fought the forces of inflation with high interest rates.

        Then labour came in lowered interest rates and reserves below the cost and ,margin of risk and pretended that Credit Inflation (M4) didn’t exist and then the economy fooked up AGAIN.

        We need a Mrs Thatcher v2 to raise interest rates and reserves. I don’t believe “Dave” to be that person.

  46. 151
    lolol says:

    I love this Liebour we hate the Tories conference,every one of the so called speakers have called the tories ,no new constructive ideas just slam the tories,they are getting desperate if that’s all they can say.

    • 165
      Engineer says:

      That’s exactly the word. Desperation.

    • 311
      bergen says:

      Labour is naturally a party of the opposition.Slagging off the other side is their forte.They cannot cope with power themselves.Even Wilson admitted that denying power to the Tories was an end in itself.The reason they won in 2001 and 2005 was Blair(even Brown might have won in 1997).Blair was more interested in power than winning composite resolutions to conference deploring whatever.That’s why they won and why they loathed him.

      • 351
        barefootcontessa says:

        They all play dirty. That’s what politicsa is, a dirty game.

      • 432
        Infanta of Castile says:

        This was xemplified by the Tub of Lard on DP today – a complete buffoon whose ignorance was made manifest by the other guests.

  47. 154
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    Lord Fondlebum once visited Cuba to support mass Murderer and delusional tyrant Fidel Castro
    So we know the kind of company that he likes to keep

  48. 155
    jgm2 says:

    But I bet you prefer ‘Times’ writers.

  49. 156
    Engineer says:

    Brown’s answer to the question “Are you taking painkillers” was quite probably true. He probably isn’t.

    Brown’s answer to the question “Are you taking, or have you in the last 12 months taken, medication for depression?” might have been more revealing.

    (By the way, I am not belittling depression. I’ve known people who have suffered with it, and it isn’t funny. But why anybody at the top of the Labour party would think it acceptable to allow someone suffering depression to continue in high public office is beyond me. Human decency would suggest a withdrawal from public life to recover should be allowed, never mind the possible damage to the country’s affairs of allowing someone suffering in that way to continue in office.)

    • 178
      lolol says:

      Engineer do you believe Brown would tell the truth.

      • 213
        Engineer says:

        Not for a minute.

        But you do wonder a bit at Marr’s phrasing of his question. So far as I know, there are no rumours about Brown taking painkillers, so was Marr trying to help out the PM by trying to bury the real story? Will someone else pick this up and ask the real question?

        • 223
          jgm2 says:

          Quite so. It was an ‘agreed’ question. Ask me about drugs I’m not taking so I can answer ‘NO’ honestly.

          Then ask Cameron about cocaine next week. And if he’s aware of any rumours about his front bench and their coke habot/history.

          Cheers Andrew. We’ll keep that injunction in place for ya.

          • tipple says:

            Indeed it was an agreed question. Just watch Brown cover his mouth with his hand & twitch a little before Marr had even asked the question, he knows it’s the difficult one because Marr gave him a que by umming for a fraction longer than he normally does in that annoying manner. Bastards!

    • 204
      Emsam says:

      Selegeline transdermal system

  50. 157
    From extreme right wing, smearing etc.etc. says:

    This is my considered reply:

  51. 160
    Article 38 says:

    Mandelson supposedly models himself on his grandfather Herbert Morrison; let’s see what’s in the DNA:

    Extract from D-Day, Anthony Beevor, p. 227, citing the diary of the Chief of the Imperial General Staff:
    On 27 June [1944], according to Field Marshall Brooke, a War Cabinet meeting finished ‘with a pathetic wail from Herbert Morrison (the Home Secretary) who appears to be a real white-livered specimen! He was in a flat spin about the flying bombs and their effects on the population. After five years of war we could not ask them to stand such a strain etc etc!’ Brooke noted in his diary that Morrison wanted the whole strategy in France to be changed… ‘It was a pathetic performance… Thank heaven Winston very soon dealt with him.’

  52. 161
    James1st says:

    Brown is barking mad; you know it I know it, his colleagues know it, he himself knows it and, of course, his G.P. knows it – even Obama knows it.

  53. 164
    ­Herr Lipp says:

    The present cabinet are not short of a bob or two, just a sandwich short of a picnic.

  54. 169
    lolol says:

    Great students union speech from mrs e balls,lowercase because that all she deserves.

  55. 173
    James1st says:

    Mad I say – quite mad

  56. 189
    going mental says:

    from reading this blog and the papers i have come to the thought that gordon is a lying, thiveing, war monger, tax raising, smearing , bullying , fudgepacking,dishonest , control freak, nappy wearing , useless , stupid arsehole that has led this country in the recent past , at least Tony was good at lying .

  57. 193
    Peter Grimes says:

    Red Rag “Can’t wait to see Osborne as Chancellor….opening all those loopholes for taxdodging lords.”

    There’s fuck all loopholes left to open up after zaNulieBor’s appeasement of anyone who would be likely to donate to them.

    Have you seen the state of the tax statutes since McDoom got in?

  58. 199
    Francis Futurama says:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/money/mortgages/first-house-price-fall-in-four-months-1794487.html

    First house price fall in four months!!!

    Great news to launch the conference of the governing party.

    • 205
      Merv King scam artist says:

      we’re fooked! another £175bn!

    • 445

      There’s always sucker rallies.

      It’s following the pattern (although price-falls/affordability-rises are steeper) of the last House Price Crash.

    • 463
      Procrustes says:

      True, but don’t forget that the rate of decrease itself has fallen -how many words can we twist to avoid stating the effing obvious?

      Car production fell 30% in August compared to the same period in 2008 -when we were also officially in a recession.

      It strikes me that few bankers/politicians.meeja luvvies have any connection with the real world -perhaps because we are shovelling our cash at them by the shedload.

  59. 200
    Saddam says:

    yeah, those WMD lies were a killer.

  60. 203
    Crazy days of mummer says:

    Brown’s never answered a question in his life

    He would get in a muddle if you asked him his name whether he really was Gordon or John

    Maybe there is some duality in his thinking because his real name is John

    I bet his doctor calls him John

  61. 207

    No 10 Downer Street or has he decamped to an Upper Place?

    Most senior and board level jobs require the applicant to undergo a detailed medical and the results are fed back to the employer, as we employ Broon the same regime should apply or at least someone with an appropriate medical qualification should be in a position to pass Gordon fit for work. Broon fudged the question on the Andrew Marr show,a simple NO would have ended all speculation. An MD somewherfe must be writing prescriptions for Broons drugs, it can only be a matter of time before the Daily Mail tracks the hapless GP or dispensing chemist down, offers a tidy sum in used notes and the ‘scripts’ appear in the press.. I did here that Tramadol Hydrochloride 50 mg. aka Zydol wrappers might well be in the dupster near to Number 10 Downer Street

  62. 208
    shelling-out says:

    O/T

    I see the government are going to tax us all on our broadband. There is a rumour that it may be rushed through before the next election. The tax will be added to everyone’s BT landline rental.

    It was only a matter of time, but what about those people (like my mum) who have no broadband? She will be forced to pay for something she doesn’t have.

    How fair is that?

    • 216
      Trev says:

      It is just another shite New Labour stealth tax

    • 225
      ­Phil O'Pastree says:

      If she pays exhobitant council tax she is forced to pay for a lot of things she doesn’t have. This is just another stealth tax; another straw on the camel’s back.

      • 273
        Groucho says:

        This is not about tax. The stated reason is to pay for network upgrades but the amounts raised would be far too small.

        Its to control access. Like they do in China.

    • 226
      JMT says:

      This is to replace the TV licence – I, like may others, will not pay once analogue is switched off, cannot receive, will not pay.

      It also gets around the thorny issue of Brits paying for BBC output, while the world watches for free on the internet.

      Easy option – tax Brits for having a phone line.

      • 240
        shelling-out says:

        I can’t believe how ripped off we are in this country sometimes.

        A friend of ours in Cyprus has just bought a pay-as-you-go mobile phone on their local tariff . He paid 20 euros for the phone and bought 30 euros worth of call time.

        He rang his son, who lives in Southampton, and was on the phone for almost half an hour. The cost? Just under 2 euros.

        His wife had to ring her insurance company here and was on her UK mobile for 20 minutes. The cost? £30.

        I know. I couldn’t believe it either.

      • 279

        JMT, it’s not to replace the TV licence, it’s to pay for BT to upgrade the infrastructure they should be doing out of their own profits, and to provide broadband to the rural locations where they say they can’t offord to provide it now.

        FYI, the BBC news website abroad is full of adverts, and the iPlayer is blocked outside the UK. You get the BBC World News TV channel which is not UK-centric and is ad-supported. The only “free” BBC output abroad is the World Serive radio, which is paid by the Foreign Office rather than the UK licence fee.

        • 423

          Why are we being forced to subsidise building fast internet links to rural areas?

          Will we also be forced to pay for motorways to be built to every rural persons front-door?

          People CHOOSE to live in rural areas and they do that on their own internal cost-benefit calculation. If you want low-cost fast internet then live in a high population density area.

    • 236
      ­ says:

      Why don’t you get your mum broadband tiy tightwad?

    • 265
      Groucho says:

      This is the first step towards control of Internet access. Expect all sorts of ‘fair use’ terms and conditions etc to be attached to the tax.

      It will effectively be a licence to access the Internet, only granted on the condition that you don’t use it in a way the government doesn’t approve of. Such as posting on message boards like this.

      This is genuinely chilling stuff. I can only imagine why they want to get this in place before the next election…

      • 299

        Yup. What was the Domesday Book? What was the poll tax? To tax something, you need to know what is there – if you know what is there, you already half control it. They haven’t been so naive here as to try to tax IP addresses or even connections, they’ll just tax every *fixed* line. Note that – *fixed* line, they’re stressing that. Why? Because then they’ll say it’s only “fair” to tax wireless connections too. But they need to do this inch by inch.

        And there’s more. The EC said a decade ago that they wanted all net users to be uniquely identified in their initial conenctiona nd in *all traffic*. The idea never got off the ground but it never went away. Obama is at it too. The idea is to have a offline in-person identifier that also identifies *every packet* of information you send, or ask for. A comprehensively mapped internet – mapped to your door.

        I have been saying this for more than 15 years: the faux democracy we have now, and the internet we have now, cannot exist side by side. The internet makes the fakery of the media which “democracy” depends upon impossible. They cannot lie to us any more, and expect the lies to win out. Do you think they’re just going to accept this?

        Not a chance; so every government – every government – is joining in the same mantra of “regulating” the internet – to eradicate porn, CP, file sharing, bestiality, “dangerous” fiction, and in some honest cases, forbidden political or social ideas. They are all whistling the same tune, they’re all putting different harmonies on that, but the themes are identical.

        The war on t’internet has begun.

        • 344
          lolol says:

          The old saying what one man can make another man can break,like criminals plod either keep up,get ahead,or drop way behind and can only do things to try and keep the stable door is closed,it’s too late for this crowd of so called politician’s to hit the internet as it’s now the in thing and us mortals will will get our own back.

        • 408
          Axe The Telly Tax says:

          All you have to ensure is that every packet is properly encrypted. It will take them many lifetimes of the universe to crack the code ;-)

          • Axe The Telly Tax says:

            In addition you can use the TOR proxy system

          • Groucho says:

            It doesn’t matter if they can’t crack your messages, the very act of sending encrypted traffic will immediately be regarded as suspicious and outside your Internet licence ‘terms of use’.

            What gives me real concern is the haste with which this is being introduced. The amounts raised are small beer, so that’s not the reason.

            What are they up to?

    • 359
      Reg511 says:

      Bit like swine flu scam, tax us and then give the money to a private company to make more money, why are tax payers subsidising private enterprise?

    • 435
      Axe The Telly Tax says:

      Simple answer is to tell her to vote Tory ;-)

  63. 210
    PM the PM says:

    Mandy is to tell conference that he is to extend the scrappage scheme.

    That will keep the south Koreans happy then.

    Isn’t he supposed to tell parliament first?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/sep/28/mandelson-car-scrappage-scheme

  64. 219
    RestandBthankful says:

    Ed’s refurbishment was modest compared to the BBC’s refurbishment – £800 million – I think that is the correct figure quoted.

  65. 220
    Nice one Andrew says:

    Thanks to Marr most peeps now feel sorry for Gordon because they think he has to take painkillers for his dodgy eye.

    • 233
      shelling-out says:

      I’m waiting to see what giveaways Darling will announce in his pre-budget speech.

      There’s bound to be some sweetners in there somewhere in an attempt to get people back on side.

    • 268
      Moley says:

      It hadn’t occurred to me that the question about painkillers was intended to generate sympathy.

      You may well be right, in which case the question was agreed and planted beforehand and all the outrage is synthetic and deliberate.

      Gordon, we all feel your pain, and we hope you do too.

  66. 222
    Anonymous says:

    It’ll be even worse if he stops taking the pills.

  67. 229

    Round ‘em up, put ‘em in a field and bomb the bastards.

  68. 232
    RAVING says:

    Badger giving it to the bankers, no sweat

    • 248
      shelling-out says:

      He can’t enforce this, he can only ask them to cut back on bonuses. The banks will do whatever they want at the end of the day.

      More spin.

      • 298
        Anonymous says:

        More smoke and mirrors. Bash the wicked bankers: today’s convenient scapegoat for the incompetence, bungling, and lies of Gordon Brown.

    • 312
      AnonymousSource says:

      All they’ll do or the more stable ones(HSBC has already taken the first steps)is move out of the City of London and take all their hard-earned bonus taxation with them and other Financial Centres particularly in the Far East will welcome them with open arms.It’s all a load of old ball cocks for the media and activists benefit

  69. 241
    Keir says:

    I blame Downing St. They should have simply handed Marr a list of acceptable questions to ask.

  70. 242

    Swept Baroness Scotland of Tonga off the front pages nicely…

    • 271
      TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

      Uh-ho – could Guidos crosshairs need recalibrating?

    • 297
      Article 38 says:

      It’s at least the second time she’s been saved by other non-news news stories. The Obama snub worked last week.

      I find it incredible the Attorney General has broken the law, been proven to have lied to a government agency, and yet just brazens it out.

  71. 244
    streamfisher says:

    BBC are keeping well clear of any mention of “the conference”, they have now got themselves so stitched up by Nulab, they have got the message to just carry on with the Bread and Circuses, this means constant Strictly updates and an endless succession of ‘celebrities’ and ‘sociologists’ and ‘master chefs’… What I want to know is when are they going to address the issue of the people who are cooking the books?

  72. 251
    Viktoria Derbyshire says:

    I remember well the morning after the next General election and how the corridors in the Blogosphere were littered with empty Champaigne bottles

  73. 262
    Rip Van Winkle says:

    Why on the back foot, Guido? Why so defensive?

    Is anyone seriously telling me that the state of our Premier’s health is not something that the proles should know about? That, with our independent nuclear deterrent, we have a leader who may be very ill and yet could simply press a button that led to the destruction of the planet.

    Why does everyone get so defensive when proven liars like Mandelson and Campbell come out to play? Fuck ‘em! Take ‘em on, head on. These people are bullies – and bullies don’t like it when you stand up to them.

    • 287
      Evertonian says:

      Dead right. These scum have been asking for a bloody good kicking for years and now they’re gonna get it.

    • 517
      patriotic says:

      Just seen that pillock Kinnock having a go about McMentallists pill popping.
      Oh dear must be getting under their skin that people are thinking that Our Dear Leader could be not fit for purpose.
      Kinnock of all people who was a complete failure until he got on the EUSSR gravy train.

  74. 263
    Psychiatric Suiting Services inc. says:

    We are proud to declare that we have been chosen to prepare a special suiting for the Glorious and Beloved Leader for his televised conference speech.

    The suiting will be indistinguishable from a conventional suit, but will include all the desired features of a straight jacket : – snap buckles, electrodes ( incorporating a specially requested anal electrode to stimulate the weird jaw movements) and quick grab handles for the attendants.

    We invite discreet private inquiries from interested parties.

  75. 274
    Bono says:

    Gordon Brown is the greatest.

  76. 277
    dr. x says:

    I doubt that Gordon Brown is suffering from depression. On the contrary I believe that he is a sociopath and narcissist who has become increasingly angry and frustrated that things are not going entirely his way.

    Like most sociopaths when faced with blockages and frustration he is reacting by more frequent tantrums, rages, and megalomania.

    He may be being treated with tranquilisers in an attempt to calm him but his behaviour will likely become more extreme as he comes closer to inevitable defeat at the next election.

    • 281
      shelling-out says:

      My daughter-in-law is a nurse. She said Gordon displays classic symptoms of Asbergers.

      • 292
        Brown - a classic case of beefbergers syndrome says:

        and too many BEEF bergers too – that grotesque tummy is peaking out from his flabby paunch again!

        Our country deserves a person to lead them who at the very least LOOKS fairly presentable -watching Brown at that Brighton Charade just now – he is not just ugly,he is morose,gloomy,sullen,ill-humoured and lacking any drive,energy and sparkle – in a word he is ;

        FINISHED.

      • 293
        Anonymous says:

        He may show some symptoms of Aspergers but Brown is a classic personality disorder aka sociopath.

        Here’s proof…..

        http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

        • 349
          magwitch says:

          From the link above, Brown appears to possess all the following traits:

          Profile of the Sociopath
          This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

          Manipulative and Cunning
          They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

          Grandiose Sense of Self
          Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

          Pathological Lying
          Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

          Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
          A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

          Shallow Emotions
          When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

          Incapacity for Love

          Callousness/Lack of Empathy
          Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

          Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
          Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

          Irresponsibility/Unreliability
          Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

        • 364
          Man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

          Then again, me and my mate Fat Ads are both inveterate piss-artists and we both reckon he’s a tool.

      • 302
        V says:

        My son has Aspergers Syndrome – the traits are high anxiety and panic attacks and an inability to form relationships or read “body language”.I don’t thnk Brown is an Asperger although he may have some traits.

      • 303
        Man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

        My sister in law is a doctor. She said he displays classic symptoms off his head on pills.

      • 304
        Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

        We all know Manglerung is an Arse-Burgler,maybe Snotgobbler caught
        a virus or something and now he is one too.

        • 482
          UFO says:

          Snotgobbling is a very self-destructive tendency, from the evolutionary biology point of view. Nasal mucous membranes are designed to trap and encase airborne microbes before they are inhaled, to reduce the chances of infection with TB, swine flu, etc. Gobbling snot is therefore a strange form of willing self-harming. Why would anyone do it?

          Perhaps Freud was right about there being a primitive tendency to find one’s excretions attractive, as objective products of one’s narcissistic self. Snotgobbling would then be a narcissistic self-cannibalism, and self-validation in a solipsistic universe. Of course, in normal people all that recedes into infantile history, as they appreciate there are other people in the world with whom they can have meaningful and validating relationships with. Only in a few does this primitive tendency persist, sublimate, and reappear figuratively as a kind of commodity fetish – a curious concept, for sure, when applied to snot, but one that all good marxists will be familiar with in one form or another.

      • 309
        My Dog says:

        My Dog barks that Gordon is Bonkers.

      • 330

        Cobblers. I work in IT – practically everyone I know is on that spectrum; loads of men with Aspergers are capable, decent people; Brown is a Hunt.

        • 362

          All the commenters here aren’t proper psychiatrists, here’s an analogy with a chef.

          A good chef can tell you what’s missing from a recipe, but everyone who tastes the dish can tell it’s lacking a little “je ne sais quoi”.

          Gordon is missing a little “je ne sais quoi”.

        • 421
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          Being a bit Aspergers – the problem is that how the hell does one get that far in a “people(/bullshit) job”. Perhaps brown was a good backroom technician for blair’s project, and he was too high up the ladder when Blair left.

          If the world was run by people who were a bit more aspergers, there would be a name for the condition where people spend hours talking to each other about their feelings. The train spotters would stand at the end of the platform laughing and pointing at the weeping diannaites.

          • stilyagi_air_corps says:

            That last paragraph was a gem, Mr Arsely!

            And then you read the shit that gets published in the MSM…

      • 350
        The Prescription That Started In America says:

        Asbergers

        “You want fries with that Ass Burger?”

      • 413
        JMT says:

        Have to disagree – my wee lad has quite severe Aspergers (aka Higher Functioning Autism).

        He has his problems but he is most certainly NOT like Brown.

    • 336

      I concur, but he’s obviously taking prescription drugs for something.

  77. 291
    DZ says:

    Rather late in the day (12.31) but was I wrong to notice that Brown said to Marr that ‘Tories will do … whatever … NOW’ and repeated it twice? It sounded to me as though he was resigned to the fact that the Tories were in power and his lot in opposition. Shurely shix months to go Prime Minister?

  78. 313
    Max says:

    I am depressed about the Gorgon McDoom “depression” issue. His Andrew Marr performance, the upset, the beads of sweat, the claim that he was a “victim” (“everything I have achieved in life I have had to fight and struggle for” etc; oh apart from getting a free ride into being prime minister, but anyway); all of this concerns me.

    The reason being that Mr and Mrs Brit are well known for liking losers and given a chance will idolise them (Jade Goody etc) and vote for them (eg John Sergeant on Strictly Come Dancing).

    The McDoom as a “fighter” and a “victim” is not a bad play in the ZaNuLab desperation stakes. Ignoring all of the sensible reasons as to why having a nutter as PM is not a good idea I think a better focus is the sociopath route (as per Dr X at 274) or indeed McDoom’s plain incompetence.

    I would suggest the latter plus the Dunning-Kruger effect. As per HERE.

  79. 317
    The Choir of Noo_Lie_Bore Min and Wimmin, rehersing 'Red Rag' says:

    Oh bugger this – let’s go home !

  80. 320
    Tapestry says:

    I don’t care what his psychological state is.

    The problem is Gordon spent all the money.

  81. 324
    Cynic says:

    Ah ha

    Another Poll Tax moment.

    NuLAb have a cunning plan. ALL dogs will be forcibly chipped with a tag identifying them, their owners etc. Gordon is setting up a national dog database so they can always be traced.

    Presumably this will help make use of all that wasted investment in ID cards etc

    Well you can tax me PM, lie to me , do what you want ….but when you mess with my pet dog you are history.

    • 347
      Max says:

      Tory idea, tory councils do it already; when dogs cause a problem (eg flung out of car because “it’s no longer a puppy”) means they can trace the chav not just the dog. Assuming the chav gets Killer chipped in the first place.

    • 354
      Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

      Be very afraid. We will all soon be walking around with these should they prove successful in dogs.

      Re the dogs, they will be useless. All the scroungers with pitbulls and the like will simply ignore the rules, so the very dogs that are problematic will not be in the system.

      Typical Nulab idiocy. Design a scheme, get someone to tick a box. Ignore offenders.

      Here’s my scheme. Microchip dogs allowing ample time for compliance. Equip detector van with latest technology. Spot dog. Focus sensor to read chip. What? No reading. Blam. Fill doggy body bag [benefit to economy; at last something we can manufacture] Look for next dog.

      Ignore my initial comment. This is a great scheme; do you see the uses this could be put to chay-wise? And 4×4′s?

    • 375
      Blunkett's Dog says:

      Grr, Snarl, grr, Woof!, Woof!, Grrr,…. whimper.

    • 401
      streamfisher says:

      Bo the ” First Dog” says: commie bastards, thank God for the American constitution.

  82. 332
    Colonel Nut says:

    Arse burglers

  83. 333
    Depressed? He ought to be says:

    He must be depressed – we all are watching him. Imagine hankering after a job for ever only to bully your way into it and be absolutely crap? Or more madly being absolutely crap and everyone in the whole world (bar you) knowing it. Billy nae mates that’s for sure.
    Why are the Labour party bleating about Marr asking a perfectly reasonable question? Old McBride and Draper were perfectly happy to make up medical gossip about people in the Tory party and release it without giving them the chance to comment.
    If Andrew Marr reads this then perhaps we could suggest some questions for him.

  84. 342
    BARONESS SCOTLAND TONGA'D MIKE HUNT says:

    Darling Has Just Spent His Whole Speach Blaming The Tories And Telling Everyone What The Tories Wouldn’t Do ! Bye Bye Lie-Bore “The Party From The Past ” That Will Never Foul Our Political System Again !

    • 369
      lolol says:

      He wasn’t the only one blaming the Tories, all the speakers have been doing it this morning,must have been a busy night for the technicians to programme so many speakers.

  85. 353
    Lizzie says:

    One place that must be fairly full at this Labour party conference is the bars. The worshippers are in dire need of hard liquor I would think. Brighton has become “Dullton” overnight. My suggestion is that Brown’s minders keep giving him the red pills and the blue pills as a precaution.

    • 394
      Anonymous says:

      He’s on beta blockers to try to stop that weird jaw drop thing and to stop him picking his nose and eating it.

      • 426
        No pieces of 8 left says:

        Did he suffer a school accident whereby the rest of the school kicked him in the face repeatedly for being such a Hunt?

        • 489
          UFO says:

          Closer than you could possibly imagine. From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6743875.stm

          In an unpublished 1967 essay, he describes himself the “victim of a totally unsighted and ludicrous experiment in education, the result of which was to harm materially and mentally the guinea-pigs”.

          Interesting set of nouns and adjectives there, is there not? Highly prophetic in view that he had not then suffered his rugby accident. It invites replacing “guinea-pigs” with “English”, at the very least. Do check out the pics the nice beeboids found of the young mucous eater.

    • 444
      barefootcontessa says:

      No, heard that the bars were quite empty. (comparatively speaking of course).

  86. 360
    Sir William Waad says:

    Peter Grimes is right. The tax syatem is debauched almost beyond hope of redemption. Populist measures, modish nonsense, incompetent drafting, insane greed and straightforward cock-ups have made it unworkable. People sort of pretend that it works and that keeps the show on the road, but it is unfair, chaotic, inefficient and simply unfit for an advanced country.

    The problem is that the likes of Brown and Darling are fiscally illiterate. They understand tax in the same way that a pig understands swill; they like a lot of it, but are not fussy where it comes from.

    • 472

      Think of swill as either being used as fertiliser to grow more crops that make next years swill or being used to feed pigs.

      If you gave pigs control of the swill there’d be none for next year and they’d starve.

  87. 363
    Sir William Waad says:

    I would trust a man who took a lot of Pils, though.

    • 521
      A Chemist says:

      I would trust a man who took a lot of Pils to fart a lot. If you don’t chill the stuff properly, the SO2 appears to mutate into H2S on opening the bottle. If you chill it, the reaction occurs endogenously, with consequent growth of flatus.

  88. 367
    Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

    Watch the grub all you party goers.

    Foods to avoid if you’re a total fruitcake

    • 419
      No pieces of 8 left says:

      I note that Nuts are to be avoided. I saw Soup and read it as Soap and instantly a horrible image of the smelly and sweaty fucker sprang to mind. Has he fired his make-up woman yet? (no, silly, not Mandy)

  89. 368
    Stronghold Barricades says:

    The labour luvvy Marr was allowed to ask one question to be easily denied…no follow up

    The hoo-ha that follows seems to suggest more than a non-story

    Deny as much as possible because you know the oath that binds doctors won’t allow him/her to speak

  90. 371
    Anonymous says:

    There is a much easier way to answer the question – feed him wine and cheese (or marmite on toast). These all have an unfortunate interaction with maoi’s.

    Of course if Gordie is avoiding cheese and wine at the conference then it would suggest that the rumours are spot on.

  91. 378
    Thomas Ballbag says:

    I wonder if Gordon Brown likes a portion of chutney with his scotch egg?

  92. 378
    Harriet Harman says:

    Come on Guido, organise a cheese and wine party for the great leader; count me in for a fiver.

  93. 390
    Dalai Lama Ding Dong says:

    i knew i smelled a rat about the timing of this bizarre polanski arrest

    he was working on this movie, due out in 2010

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    i just finished reading this book

    it is basically all about tony blair, who comes from nowhere to lead the uk labor party after the then leader john smith dies in a hill-walking accident (he was assassinated)

    in the book blair was influenced by his wife, cherie, who was recruited by the CIA back in the 70s

    so all along Britain was being run by the CIA

    it all fits

    the UK has spearheaded all USA wars of aggression

    ALL OF THEM

    this film would have been dynamite

    it is no wonder polanski was targeted for arrest

    this is a hit

    pure and simple

  94. 393
    It's all Balls says:

    I think Brown’s odd behaviour is contagious. Just seen the usually sensible Darling give a very silly speech to conference.

    Our 10% cuts are tiny little pink fluffy cuddly cuts.

    The Tories 10% cuts are smelly, scabby nasty cuts.

    It’s going to be bad whichever party gets in. Just defeats me that there are still 20% plus out there who think the arsonist is best placed to put out the fire.

    • 402
      jgm2 says:

      This bunch of Labour arsonists are the like ones who set fire to a skip and then call the fire brigade and chuck rocks at them.

    • 431
      South of the M4 says:

      According to the BBC radio news…. “… Labour cuts are better than Tory, ideologically driven cuts…” (unquote). This appears the current NuLabour stance.
      WTF and FFS which planet are they on?

      • 440
        It's all Balls says:

        Missed the news. Were the Beeb (aka Pravda) reporting what Darling said or reporting the BBC view?

        If the former, fair enough.

        If the latter – another nail in the coffin of the license fee.

  95. 396
    he's mad & He's Bad says:

    If Gordon is not mad then that means the rest of us are.

  96. 400
    barefootcontessa says:

    Darling’s completely changed his tune re bankers’ bonuses. Last week he was making excuses for not stopping them. He disagreed with the French and Germans about this. Now he’s bank bashing like mad. Must think there are votes in it.

    Ken Livingstone got married at the weekend – in a zoo – how appropriate! Was the reception held in the monkey house?

  97. 406
    Anonymous says:

    Brown has developed the squat, pot-bellied, paunchy body shape of someone who’s spent a long period on largactil.

    • 417
      C L A P Clinic says:

      Yes dear, – but does he get a red face when he’s out in the sunshine ? Oh – wait a min – he lives in a bunker.

      OK – I can take that then

    • 430
      Lord Foy of Gay says:

      It’s not just his weekly depot injection he bends over for.

    • 443
      It's all Balls says:

      I’ve developed a squat, pot-bellied, paunchy body shape cos I’ve spent a long period on lager

    • 486
      shelling-out says:

      It’s all those lasagne’s he cooks for his guests. That’s all they appear to be dished up there.

  98. 415
    The Sleeper says:

    I don’t know about anybody else,but I am now sick and tired of hearing Labour banging on about Bankers’ bonuses.

    I have no sympathy with the recklessness of these bankers,but I do not buy the argument that bonuses were the primary cause of the economic woes we find ourselves in.

    For me Darlings’ announcement to introduce legislation to stop bonuses is the final nail in the coffin.

    Don’t we,through the guardianship of Government, have controlling interests in several banks? Can’t the guardians of OUR ‘investments’ utilise those controlling powers to ensure excessive bonuses are not paid,without the need for legislation?

    No..this is still this corrupt Government spinning like crazy to exempt themselves from any blame.

    Unfortunately,I suspect many naive voters will buy it.

    • 460
      barefootcontessa says:

      They’ve got to blame someone other than the culprits – themselves.

    • 483
      Engineer says:

      They’ve got several days of conference to get through, and umpteen speeches. They’ve got to fill them with something – anything. Bankers’ bonuses are just an easy target they know they won’t have to do anything about anyway ‘cos after next June they’re history.

      Bet we hear very little about bankers’ bonuses from the Tory conference.

  99. 425
  100. 446
    Iceman says:

    JFK was on speed during the Cuba Missile Crisis
    Has Brown ever thought of trying crystal meth, one wonders?

  101. 448
    Anonymous says:

    Good to see “extreme right-wing blogs” like these getting up a higher class of nose these days.

    • 476
      Engineer says:

      It’s good to see that the higher echelons are taking some note of “extreme right-wing blogs” such as this – or as I prefer to call it, Public Opinion.

  102. 453
    Sir William Waad says:

    The Germans get Merkel. We get Brown. Snot fair.

    • 468
      streamfisher says:

      Dur sprung technic v clapped out gone bust Vauxhall or Broonwagen, our peoples cardboard Trabant (apologies to Jeremy Clarkson).

  103. 491
    HST2 says:

    The rumour in the Kingdom of Fife is that brown is being administered anti hallucinagens

    • 499
      nell says:

      Well Alastair Campbell and mandy having been working hard in the media all day to high profile the fact that gordon was asked about painkillers. Of course, they say. he doesn’t take painkillers.

      Big sigh of relief. Thank god the word ante-depressants hasn’t leaked out into the public domain !! Andrew Marr you messed up there and used the wrong word.

    • 500
      South of the M4 says:

      They are not working then because the man does not see what (nearly) everybody else sees.

  104. 492
    Watching the dying party in Brighton with 300 strategically placed audience members says:

    Just watching Hitler, sorry, I mean Mandelson at conference.

    Hitler was fond of the car industry, setting up Volswagon, this man is a dangerous Hunt, I hope the Tory party expose his shit eating, Brazilian fucking spastic.

    Mandelson is Hitler, maybe he is the anti-christ afterall

    • 506
      We,the British public are not fooled with this nonentity says:

      No No No NO NO!

      BALLS is Hitler – this guy is Goebbels – the practitioner and peddler of propaganda – say it enough times to as many journo’s as possible and threaten them with Coventry if they don’t play his game and you have the ultimate propaganda machine.

      Mandelson is the slimy,fetid, blood sucking creature of the night – the Stasi in East Germany mirrors his modus operandi – threat and counter threat,playing everyone off against each other.

      However,thank god,the British public are not fooled by him – he will be destroyed at the election whenever Brown gets the gumption.

      Actually,perhaps Brown will try to pass legislation that makes an election illegal due to the “current economic crisis that started in the US” and needs his expertise to manage us out of the sewer he has taken us in to.

    • 510
      Anonymous says:

      Ties in with the recent discovery that the skull (with bullet hole) from the Berlin bunker which was always thought to be Hitler’s is actually a female.

    • 514

      Yep – announced another £200 million to subsidise foreign car manufacturers through the ridiculous ‘scrappage’ scheme.

      The Koreans must be pissing themselves.

      • 522
        Watching the dying party in Brighton with 300 strategically placed audience members says:

        Ta Ta as they say in India. Mandy appears to be up the arises of the Indians, he loves a rich Indian.

  105. 497
    nell says:

    How do people spend a whole week at this mind bogglingly boring conference.

    This afternoon there are speeches on Stopping Tobacco Smuggling and Women’s Empowerment (OMG harriett harman!!).

    Tomorrow it’s Winning the Argument for Britain in Europe and Should the Public Trust the Police?

    • 498
      Watching the dying party in Brighton with 300 strategically placed audience members says:

      Ideal timing as the Police brute is charged and will appear in court for his unprovoked attack on a woman at the G20 in London.

      Breaking News, Mandelson has gone off to his bedroom for a little fuck with his Brazilian. Old fat boy Bolton is mots peeved.

    • 509
      Anonymous says:

      ‘Winning the Argument for Britain in Europe’. That’s a laugh.

      More like, “We’re going to ram through EU integration whether you like it or no, so fuck off”.

  106. 504
    Boulton needs some exercise! says:

    Yes, Boulton really does need to get some exercise – he is now grossly overweight – indeed he makes the grotty frame of Brown the liar look svelte!

  107. 508
    Tony says:

    Come ON guys.

    A bad story is out and about. You need to kill it. Do you wait for a googley at a time and place not of your choosing ? Or do you prime your tame ass licking acolyte to put a mild question and then let him to put up just enough bluster to make it look good enough to Joe Public

    Then you piss around about an informal complaint to make things look a bit serious. You don’t make it formal because that invites investigation.

    Utter BOLLOCKS that Marr asked a hard question. He did his job as a loyal Labour man brilliantly. The issue is now dead until someone videos the man taking the pills

  108. 511
    Gooey Blob says:

    I can’t comment on Gordon’s health. However, we should know by now just how Mandelson works, and nobody should take everything he says as serious.

    Let’s face it, Mandelson is the least popular member of the government, the only cabinet member that makes Brown look popular. Many of the bad decisions taken by Brown will have been because of Mandelson’s bad advice, and if the Labour party wishes to return to popularity after it loses the next election it would do well to rid itself of this constant reminder of all that was bad about the New Labour project.

    When Brown steps down, Mandelson should be the first to be quietly ushered out the back door. Much of the present Labour front bench should follow.

  109. 515

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  110. 516
    Lil Olmey says:

    So maybe Hitler got away after all :

    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090928/twl-hitler-s-skull-is-a-woman-s-say-dna-3fd0ae9.html

    Surely he wasn’t regenerated as McMental ? The similarities in their behaviour are just coincidental – aren’t they ?

  111. 518
    Colonel Nut says:

    Mandy’s speech was Hitler-like;slow starts leading up to loud climaxes.Once or twice he looked a bit like the Fürher or was it just the lighting?He gave a “vision of the people’s future not the past” approach(no wonder) as a means to winning over the electorate but didn’t explain how the promised land was going to be financed.More borrowing presumably,or are we going to invade Poland?

  112. 520
    aswinsterstale says:

    Wouldn’t we all be popping a few if we woke up tomorrow knowing we were el gordo.
    Knowing your life’s work was a fucking shambles, and you were totally reliant on a fucking low life like Peta mandlebum.
    Knowing that Tony bLiar and Mandlebum will be rich beyond your wildest imagination, and all you get is the blame.
    Why do we tolerate sending troops abroad to sort out so-called new democracies when we can’t sort out the shit one we have here.
    Here is the free lunch they all promised, I hope the people who voted for it are choking on it.
    Is he doing pills, you bet your life on it

  113. 528
    Will Heathen says:

    Mandelson: “these extreme right-wing people trying to put these smears and rumours about…”

    Errr, did anyone mention Bullingdon? Hmmm, must be an extreme left-wing person


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Rod Liddle on the loony UN sexism special rapporteur:

“There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”



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