August 18th, 2009

The High Pay “Problem”

David Aaronovitch suggests, not completely seriously, that perhaps it would be better to just publish people’s tax returns publicly rather than having a High Pay Quango to regulate banker’s bonuses.  As Aaronovitch says, it would be fun.

It will also destroy any semblance of privacy.  If private individuals have made money in the private sector why does anyone apart from their paymasters – the shareholders – have a right to know what they are being paid?

On the other hand everyone in the public sector and in public life should be transparent with their paymasters – the public.  So BBC mandarins, Newsnight presenters, civil servants and politicians should reveal how much of our money they are trousering, down to the last penny.  We are the paymasters.

It seems eminently sensible that members of parliament should, as in America, publish their tax returns. It would be nice to know how Mandelson in less than a decade has gone from being broke and tearful in his Hartlepool constituency with “water pouring down the walls”, to being able to afford a £2.4 million mansion off Regent’s Park for cash. He did this during a decade in which he was a selfless public servant.  Multi-millionaire John Prescott’s tax returns would be similarly interesting.  Alan Duncan is wailing that he might be a millionaire, but he isn’t rich, show us the truth Dunky and we will understand.

Polly Toynbee, the multi-millionairess toff and three-house-owning, Tuscan redistributionist friend of the down-trodden,  made the same demand some time back, namely for everyone to have their tax return in the public domain.  Guido emailed her to ask how much she made, she demanded to know details of Guido’s tax return first.  Guido gave the figure, she declined to reciprocate.  She did later reveal she was getting by on a mere £117,000 basic before book advances, royalties and appearance fees.  Barely enough to maintain her three residences.

So Aaronovitch, here is a chance for you to lead by example: how much did you make last year?

*Well not Guido in the case of the BBC, he refuses to pay the telly tax.

377 Comments

  1. 1
    Jethro Q Walrus-Titty says:

    Toynbee-string her up by her tits!

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      This minister is overpaid

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        I thought it would be fun to find out what criminals voted, so I looked up the top burglary hotspots in the UK and their elected representatives.

        NG5 Arnold, Notts – LABOUR, Vernon Croaker MP

        LE3 Braunstone, Leicester -LABOUR, Patricia Hewett MP

        NG2 West Bridgford – LABOUR, Geoff Hoon MP

        CH66 Ellesmere Port, Cheshire – LABOUR, Andrew Miller MP

        LS8 Roundhay, Leeds – LABOUR, Fabian Hamilton MP

        SW11 Battersea, south London – LABOUR, Martin Linton MP

        S8 Norton & Heeley, Sheffield – LABOUR, Meg Munn MP

        N8 Hornsey, north London – LIBDEM, Lynne Featherstone MP

        CR0 Croydon, Surrey – CONSERVATIVE – Andrew Pelling MP

        BN3 Hove, Sussex – LABOUR, Celia Barlow MP

        NG3 Sherwood, Notts – LABOUR, John Heppell MP

        NG8 Bilborough, Notts – LABOUR, John Heppell MP

        BR3 Beckenham, Kent – CONSERVATIVE, Jacqui Lait MP

        M28 Worsley, Gtr Manchester – LABOUR, Barbara Keeley MP

        LS15 Crossgates, Leeds – LABOUR, Fabian Hamilton MP

        E17 Walthamstow, east London – LABOUR, Neil Gerrard MP

        BS7 Horfield, Bristol – LIBDEMS, Stephen Williams MP

        SW6 Fulham, south-west London – CONSERVATIVE, Greg Hands MP

        SE23 Forest Hill, south-east London – LABOUR, Jim Dowd MP

        SL6 Maidenhead, Berks – CONSERVATIVE, Theresa May MP

        It would appear to me that Labour’s core vote is thieving pikey scum. Just like their MP’s in fact.

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        barefootcontessa says:

        Oh my god, whatever happened to his greasy forelock? Was it never there in the first place, or has he had it eliminated? His head ‘ll be for the chop next.

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    • 36

      Toynbee is a great socialist

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        genghiz the kahn says:

        is she dead?

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          Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

          Jeremy Beadle is sadly – nice picture of him thanks. Guido says no ufo talk so I won’t but it was one of his better gags.

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          http://henrynorthlondon.blogspot.com/2009/08/famous-quotes-10.html

          In the words of Polly Toynbee’s father, Arnold Toynbee

          “I suspect that a worldwide totalitarian movement of the communist-fascist kind may overthrow existing institutions – including local sovereignty, political democracy, economic private enterprise –

          and at the eleventh hour some such worldwide totalitarian movement will stabilise human affairs by taking such drastic actions in which indespenable fundamental reforms will be intertwined with atrocious acts of injustice”

          Sounds familiar but he wrote this in the 1960s

          Madness runs strong in the Toynbee plutocracy.

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      • 215
        Greychatter says:

        Our “Pol” can afford to be a Socialist, it’s the rest of us who can’t afford their brand of Politics, a burden carried by the Tax payer.

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          backwoodsman says:

          “She did later reveal she was getting by on a mere £117,000 basic before book advances, royalties and appearance fees. Barely enough to maintain her three residences ”
          Yes, and the ‘appearance fees’ turned out to be tax payers money, handed over by some fecking quango of a development agency !!!!
          Pay us back , bitch

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          Rant against the Machine says:

          When will everyone get it , Socialism isnt for the Likes of The Blairs and the Toynbees and the Harmans, heaven forbid, its for the rest of us You know the Little people !!

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        Alibarbs says:

        You’re half right London Muslim – she’s a socialist in the Orwellian Animal Farm mould, i.e. we’re all equal, but her Pollyness and her chums are more equal than the rest of us.

        However the words “great” and “Toynbee” in the same sentence are an oxymoron if ever I heard one, unless of course the former is followed by the words “big arse”.

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      Anonymous says:

      Does she have any?

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      Anonymous says:

      You can bet her declared net income will be far less than 100K next tax year though. (or it will be if she has a half decent accountant ), that’s why the Labour Lords and luvvies are being extremely quiet about the 50%, zero allowance folly.

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    mad fred 2 para retired says:

    Go get ‘em Guido – enough of this hypocrisy from the well healed left.

    Prescott a millionaire? How sickening is that.

    Prescott failed at everything he touched in Government (except the staff of course).

    I demand his pension is clawed back & re-distributed to returning squaddies from New Labours wars.

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      Anonymous says:

      the left aren’t allowed to make money and the right aren’t allowed to be anything less than very wealth

      easy peasy

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      Tracycee says:

      I fink ‘e even put me on ‘is expenses

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      nell says:

      Thank you mad fred I like that phrase ‘New Labours wars’ – very fitting.

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        Blair and Dubyas shrivelled black soul says:

        So why do the Tories support them nell ?

        I don’t hear Cameron saying he will pull out of Afghanistan any time soon.

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          mad fred 2 para retired says:

          Blue Labour will change nothing.

          The “Heir to Blair” Dave “redder by the day” Cameron does not have the balls to be a Tory – let alone bring our troops back from an unwinnable war.

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          barefootcontessa says:

          I’ve said it over and over, tories are warmongers. They’ve always been warmongers, and they’ll always be warmongers! Newlabour have been warmongers, but oldlabour disavowed war.

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          Greychatter says:

          Our troops are stuck in Afghanistan and the Torys will have to support them.

          They need more support from our European “allies” who are letting Britain and America do all the “dirty jobs”.

          “When” Afghanistan is deemed a success Britain won’t be give much of the credit!

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          barefootcontessa says:

          Remember America won the last war,…. single handed! They told us in the cinema,. so it must be true.

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          nell says:

          I’m sad to say I supported the war too in the beginning. But as I have found out more information my view has changed to opposing it.

          I live in hope that Dave will do something similar – if not well I shall continue criticising his war policy just as I have criticised labour.

          Constructive criticism is healthy – it’s Labour’s attempts to stifle criticism and free speech that is wrong.

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        • 371
          Bloke7 says:

          @barefootbitch

          “I’ve said it over and over, tories are warmongers”

          Say what you like you daft old cow, it doesn’t make it true.

          Since 1997 nulabour have started 5 wars.

          Thatcher fought one war which the Argies started by invading British territory.

          You are entitled to your opinion, but since it is bollox you will be attacked for it.

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          Dopes7 says:

          @shitforbrains troll7

          say what YOU like you twatty little shitweasel it doesn’t make it true either

          “Since 1997 nulabour have started 5 wars.”

          And exactly which ones did the Tories oppose ?

          Take your time now. As your answer or ignorance will reveal just how much of a braindead pissmonkey you are.

          You are entitled to your opinion, but since it is trolling bollox you will be corrected and laughed at.

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        • 377
          Bloke7 says:

          @

          “say what YOU like you twatty little shitweasel it doesn’t make it true either”

          You shitstain fuckwit – the point about truth is it doesn’t matter who says it, it is true anyway

          I notice you did not actually disagree that nulabour have started 5 wars.

          That’s because it’s true.

          Now fuck off back to tuscany with the rest of your lefty shit stabbers

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    The Grim Reaper says:

    As Baron Munchausen of Hartlepool & Foy says “redistribute it, by all means – as long as it is my direction.”

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    I wonder who is going to tell “Lord” Sugar or Lord Blair that they are overpaid?

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      pluto says:

      Well, we sort of thought you might.

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      Trough Mixture says:

      I thought Antonia had turned down ennoblement, on the grounds that the title ‘The Lord Thy God’ was unavailable. I’d be more than happy to impart the bad news, though it must be borne in mind that it would take a good while and there’d be a bit of a mess.

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        Rant against the Machine says:

        Remember the Lord Tony left us with the comforting words ” I am always with you !”

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    Gordon Brown's Chain of Terrifying Mendacity says:

    High Pay? Everyone will be High Pay in Weimar/Zimbabwe Britain.

    Consumer Price Inflation for July 1.8%. Much worse than City propaganda forecast of 1.5%. RPI rose from -1.6% in June to -1.4%, much worse than City propaganda forecast of -1.7%.

    UK CPI 2.5% higher than Eurozone average(-0.7%) and highest in G7 countries.

    UK worst-placed in all economic metrics.

    UK, laughing stock.

    UK shagged; economic shithole.

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    Trimbush says:

    I seem to recall Mandlebum was said to inherit dosh following the death of his mother – or was this just a cover(t) story?

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    lkjlk says:

    There is a strange correlation between the privileged, wealthy elite – and Socialism.

    Marx, Castro, Lenin, Trotsky, Toynbee and a whole host of other leading lights of the Socialist totalitarian Left come from the privileged elite, or wealthy families.

    Marx himself came from a wealthy family, married into minor aristrocracy and never did a days’ work in his life – scrounging off an industrialist.

    I have spent much time with these people and have come to the conclusion that they are our version of the Upper class before WW1. . They do nothing, contribute nothing, make no work of any worth.

    Before WW1 it was acceptable for the upper classes not to work. Now they can’t do that.

    They justify their existence by being Joan Of Arcs for a romanticised, idealised non-existent downtrodden working class.

    Not that most of the working class would read the Guardian if it were given away free.

    Toynbee is our own Marie Antionette.

    She exists for her own pleasure. Does nothing, contributes nothing, does no work of any significance- but feels she is a hero.

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      Polly T says:

      I agree – I would also throw ‘class’ into the equation

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        lkjlk says:

        Yes

        There does sesm to be a link between Class and Socialism. So many Socialists are wealthy or upper class.

        Their view of the lower orders is romanticised, but gives them power and influence beyond their abiliity.

        In the old days the upper classes would go into politics as their birth right. Now they go to ‘Help the poor’.

        Perhaps the Socialist Left is the last bastion of the Class system.

        If we were to remove all privately educated, grammer school kids from the BBC, the only person left would be Tinky Winky.

        Fight the power!

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          Anonymous says:

          Traditionally the working classes have served two purposes for Tonybee types:

          1) Props for the socialist’s moral vanity.
          2) Provide the cannon fodder for socialists to gain power.

          Today the working classes have been abandoned, to be replaced by the left’s new pet group: ethnic minorities.

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          lkjlk says:

          Do you remember when Camden tried to put an Assylum Hostel in the ever-so-Marxist Hamtead?Belsize park?

          The organic, Fair Trade Left rose up in anger and had it stopped.

          Apparently Darkies are ok for the lower class scum to live with, but in that 99% White area, beloved of BBC journalists, Leftie films stars and other creative types- we’ll have none of those awful non-Whites.

          Unless there’s a cocktail party and they need a few waiters.

          In South Africa they kept Blacks out by passing laws. The good Socialists of Hampstead keep them out with planning laws.

          How I admire those Marxist revolutinaries, still true to their morals.

          Long live the revolution, Vivre the BBC, Darkies go home!

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          fedupwithbrown says:

          They call themselves socialists because its easier to rip us all off. Or was.

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          Sod 'em all says:

          Phony, champagne-swilling shits guilty of mind-numbing hypocrisy and thoroughly exposed here by lkjlk.
          At some point during the cusp of the 1980s/1990s, the Labour party as we once knew it was hijacked by these parasitic vultures as a vehicle for their own self-aggrandizement and enrichment. One day, thanks solely to the internet, everyone will know it.

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      Bottle-fed Triplet says:

      Consider the lilies of the field…………….

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      Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

      just look at all those privileged eton toffs on the tory front benches

      farking socialists!

      that comunist gideon osbourne was saying just the other day there had to be a crackdown on city pay

      pure class envy gideon
      take your stalinist left wing claptrap back to russia Mr Osbourne

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        RobC says:

        Fucking anti semitic Trot – piss off back to the guardian and your new labour pals

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          Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

          Are you fucking high you right wing moron ?
          What could possibly be construed as anti-semetic in that post ????

          You must be one of those oversensetive politically correct twats who scream anti-semite or racist after anything they don’t like.
          Fuck off back to your troll hole little man.

          George Osborne said he was going to act to curb excesses on City Bonuses and pay. FACT.

          Darling said the same thing as Osborne and both of them are untrustworthy weasels like yourself.

          So piss off and come back when you have a bit more brainpower because your equally fucking clueless if you think I would or have ever voted for these NuLiebore c’unts.

          Brown if going to get pasted at the Election and I for one will celebrate.

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          RobC says:

          Lord Giddy up – Being called “a right wing moron” in your first sentence proves 1)that I’ve got your political number and 2) you are obviously not as smart as you think you are.
          I do agree however that Brown will get a pasting in spite of your support.

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          Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

          Anyone who brainlessly spews namecalling like Trot is clearly a dimwitted right winger.

          You are just too feeble minded to concieve of anything other than unthinking Labour or incritical Conservative supporters. You’re one of the little Party drones like charles softwidge who screams like a little girl if anyone dare criticise their beloved Party. The only difference between you and shitmunchers like Softwidge is the colour of your cheerleading rosette.

          At least you are not a complete fucking vegetable and have hurriedly dropped your ludicrous politically correct bleatings about anti-semitism.

          Though the fact that you are still too fucking stupid to understand plain english is a bit sad.

          I will never and have never supported pathetic corrupt incompetent arsewipes like Bliar or Brown. Understand ? Duuuh! You fucking twat.

          Now piss off to Conservativehome since you aren’t adult enough to take part in a site that isn’t a Party Affiliated unthinking uncritical drone-zone.

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    • 70
      Sarah says:

      A subject dear to my heart. Why can’t they just enjoy their fucking money? Piss it away in champagne bars, tour the spas of Europe, go on cruises, hunt stuff in the country.
      No, they have to have a fucking job too!
      And it’s always some kind of finger-wagging do-goodery, not a proper job which involves actual work.
      I worked in the arts/heritage sector for years, surrounded by the idle rich, who were, almost without exception, a bunch of opinionated, badly-informed, lazy, snotty, fuck-ups. What really made me apoplectic was this: they were taking up posts which could have been done ten times better by someone who needed to work for a living. Someone who actually gave a shit, or had a PhD, instead of some mediocre BA from Oxbridge who had “done” Europe and a short stint in Sothebys which they felt uniquely qualified them to be an ‘expert’ in something.
      Excuse the rant, but I’m totally sick of rich people who feel guilty about their unearned wealth, whose solution is to make everyone as miserable and guilty as themselves.
      And who think it’s fine to take up paid employment which they don’t need, thus denying a job to someone who actually needs it.

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        Engineer says:

        Try engineering, Sarah. The twats tend to leave us alone. As you say, can’t hack real work……

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          Bottle-fed Triplet says:

          Ah!! There you have it, the wealthy and politicians tell us they run the country, Engineers actually make it run!!

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          Anonymous says:

          Too true this lot pour sand in the gearbox under that it is the correct lubricant

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        Sarah says:

        You’re right. Engineering and science are too difficult for their poor ickle brains.
        My own mistake to get caught up in architecture/art/history stuff.

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        lkjlk says:

        If we ever have a French Style revolution, the first place we’ll go to set up the Gillutine will be BBC Broadcasting House, then move down to the Guardian, then off to the Indi.

        There are more Toffs there than any Bank.

        Anyone got a blade sharpener?

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          fedupwithbrown says:

          We should do to Gordon what they did Bonaparte.

          Exile him to some uninhabited remote isle off the coast of Scotland.

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          walter smith says:

          Gruinard Island would have been a suitable place of exile for McStalin Brown.

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          Alibarbs says:

          No, don’t force him on the poor wildlife that resides on any island off the coast of Scotland – what have they done to deserve him?

          Exile him to a deserted island in the pacific, preferably one that doubles up as a nuclear weapons test site and allow him to take 5 friends (plus their partners of course) for company.

          A good guestlist would be Mandy, Balls, Harman, Blears and Jacqui Fivebellies.

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      Rant against the Machine says:

      Same with our pampered Celebrities who hold concerts for the Worlds poor yet receive goody bags worth £10,000 just for turning up.Nice work if u can get it, Dont ya just love Bono. By the way how much tax does he pay ?

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    Anonymous says:

    Not forgetting that the pay scales of the armed forces are published for all to see…even those they are fighting.

    And what is this I hear that the afghanistan elections are bent? Are crooked, fraudulent elections really worth sacrificing young lives for? NO

    If Gordon wants to preserve a perverted government in Afghanistan then he and his own perverted government should go over there and lay their own lives down.

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      Gordon Brown says:

      Don’t worry laddy. I’m totally hands-on now with the Afghan theatre of operations. I’m bringing up the rear.

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        Lord Mandelbum of Turdtown says:

        How dare you! Bringing up the rear is my job.

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        English Liberation Front says:

        Piss off Gordo and take all your East German wannabes with you, especially the twin-twats of New Labour Burnham and Bradshaw.

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          Mrs Broon (No Relation) says:

          Yes, but they none of them were ever socialist. Either the East Germans, whose great leader ran away to Chile, Right Wing Regime, or Peru equally right wing. Gordon and his right wing band of thieves may be Stalinist but they sure aren’t left wing.

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          Oh dear, we have a “socialist”.

          Time to stop believing if we had “real”TM socialists ruling then this political monstrosity would work.

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        Anonymous says:

        Anon

        I hope you are not female because if you are this is the male only No 8 post section. You will have to go to the female No 8 post section if you wish to comment.

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        Blobby Anusworth says:

        “Don’t worry laddy. I’m totally hands-on now with the Afghan theatre of operations. I’m bringing up the rear.”

        ‘and oim cooming rownd the back on yow.

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        Greychatter says:

        Whose Rear? Mandy’s

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    A Labour Banker says:

    It’s said that – if all the cash is put into ONE pot and equally distributed – we”d be back to largely the current position after 10 years

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    What anyone earns in the private sector is of no import to anyone other than HMRC.

    This whole debate is a massive red herring because the journalists don’t understand the fiscal mess created by the Government and the horrendous QE strategy that will ensure penury for a decade.

    That is all too complex; so instead we have a sterile debate about whether a few top gamblers in the City earn too much. It is the same in Amercia.

    Socialists retreat to class envy when they have no other ideas. Mutatis Mutendes.

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      Fred Goodwins Duck Palace says:

      These Stalinists have the blasted cheek to point the finger of blame at repectable well heeled Bankers like myself. Tommyrot and balderdash. We are the victims as I was telling my friends on the yacht in Liechtenstien only the other day.

      I should get my servant to give them a damn good thrashing!

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        Greychatter says:

        Thought Liechtenstein was land locked – on your Yacht in the alpes? – no wonder banking is in trouble.

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          Bottle-fed Triplet says:

          Greychatter, pay attention. Millionaires own yachts they don’t actually sail them. They get someone to do that for them!

          They own yachts so they can say ‘My yachts bigger then yours’ etc.

          Having a yacht cemented in to the ground in Lichtenstein makes sense, saves on crew and mooring fees plus it would be a fairly unique feature on one’s estate, nez pas?

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          Australian says:

          Not quite, Greychatter. You could sail up the Rhine from Lake Constance and set your anchor below the Prince’s palace in Vaduz. I think the river is still wide and deep enough there to get a pretty decent yacht along it!

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      Engineer says:

      It is interesting that there was no debate at all about such things when economic times where booming.

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      Anonymous says:

      I disagree – the debate is highly relevant.

      The banks went bust because they took ridiculous risks.

      They ignored the downside. They stood to make huge bonuses, the rest of us would pay if things went wrong.

      If people had known how the sector worked beforehand, there would have been a public outcry and the worst excesses would probably have been avoided. We certainly would have no need for QE.

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    Aaronovitch is a Blairite twat says:

    So anyone in the public pay should publish their Tax returns ?

    Everyone in the NHS, Police, Military,Councils, Fire Service Civil Service too ?

    Those setting pay levels clearly have an obligation of transparency.

    And those who constantly lobby for and against pay levels should have the courage of their convictions and publish them.

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    English Liberation Front says:

    Just popped in to wish a top of the morning to you and damnation to all socialist pillocks reading this blog, especially Toynbee.

    Socialism – the failed and discredited delusion – when are we going to get over it as a nation and move into those bright, sunlit uplands?

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      nell says:

      Don’t know about bright sunlit uplands , but I think we can say with some certainty that the air will be fresher and cleaner round about next June.

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        Rick O'Shea says:

        Air fresher and cleaner? It should be with No Labour gone, I was thinking of voting conservative but Dave is being a bit too coy on Europe, I can’t help feeling he will stab the country in the back like that little shit Brown so UIKIP it is for me and fuck all the others!

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          Rev. Timothy Lovejoy says:

          Same here. Dave’s too much of a Blair clone for what I can see. So it’s either UKIP or the party you’re not allowed to mention these days without slagging them off in the same breath – those true patriots also known as the BΝP!

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    oldfella says:

    my mp gets more in monthly for unreceipted food allowance that I get in a month to pay all my bills like rent and gas an that, pay for food to live, travel, outings, parties, holidays, clothing, girl friends, furnishings for the house, keep in touch with family and friends and enjoy a pint once in a while.

    they are all bastards

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      Fred Goodwins Duck Palace says:

      sorry oldfella that’s just class envy and socialism talking

      you aren’t allowed to complain about pay levels

      if they earn more than you they must be your betters as we bankers know all too well

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        Mrs Broon (No Relation) says:

        I did say we should have shot a few of you bankers (wankers), that would have encouraged the rest to behave.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Perhaps Call Me Dave could publish his tax returns then see if the Great Helmsman of the People, The Tribune of the Plebs, The Chief Digital Nasal Excavator is prepared to highlight his earnings from Portraits of Courage, James Maxton and other tomes.

    On the other hand, perhaps the tax returns for Geoffery Of Hoon, and Darling Alistair should be published, the masses might want clear proof that they have not been avoiding Captial Gains Tax on Homes, or that they have been paying the same taxes as the rest of the population.

    The politicans need to come clean and show that their laws mean that they are paying the same income taxes as the rest of the UK’s population.

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      barefootcontessa says:

      “This is your Cap’n M’Darling speaking! Having just raised myself from my modest cabin, scanned the horizon, wetted my ample blacker than black eyebrows, and flared my nostrils, I can say deffinatively that the Scottish coast is clear. Not a cloud in the sky. My trusty little boat Miss Econo-mise sails full steam ahead, she rides the waves with ease and I am determined I will bring her safely to shore!”

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    GregT says:

    We are indeed the paymasters of the BBC and the public sector, but now thanks to bank bailouts are we not also the paymasters of a large part of the financial sector? We paid for the banks to be saved and I think most of us would rather not spend our money on eye-watering ‘guaranteed bonuses’ (an oxymoron if ever I heard one).

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      Alibarbs says:

      Thing as well is, if it’s guaranteed, how is it a bonus?

      When I get a bonus, it’s because we’ve had a healthy period financially which I’ve contributed to by going above and beyond what my contract of employment stipulates I have to do, not just because I’ve turned up to work.

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      Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

      Unlike George Osbourne who was always as sternly opposed to it as he is now.

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        Anonymous says:

        George Osbourne is not part of the government – maybe once he is your comments might be valid, but as things stand, it’s pretty irrelevant.

        You do seem to have a bit of a fixation with him though – what happened, did he bugger you senseless during one of his school holidays and then refuse to pay you?

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          He didn’t get a tip as his arse was already prone to prolapse.

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          Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

          No he buggered little Davy cameron and all the rest of the dimwits who unthinkingly support him and the Conservatives.

          And renowned proctologist auntieshitizen is clearly as fixated as Mark Oaten is with bottomfeeding.

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    shelling-out says:

    MP’s had trouble declaring their expenses so it’s laughable that they should publish their tax returns.

    Is this another red herring? What’s going on elsewhere that they don”t want us to know about?

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  18. 28
    Anonymous says:

    Three-house owing? Clapham – Tuscany – where’s the third?

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  19. 30
    Anonymous says:

    Do MPs actually pay tax? Seems to me all them expenses (so called) are tax free.

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  21. 35
    Steve Expat says:

    The basic principle here is that all public money should be accountable to the taxpayers – all payments from public money should therefore be published (possibly above a small limit to remove the trivial).

    All contracts and salaries paid for by us need to be in the public domain, along with bonuses paid to staff and contractors. This would ensure better value and embarrass those who are obviously overpaid. RBS and Northern Rock are of course state owned so this should apply to them.

    Twats like Polly and David should just shut up, private contracts not involving the government are just that, private. They are only envious.

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      tat says:

      don’t be silly steve the tramp.
      you ‘earn’ your money begging from the public. therefore it is only right that your ‘earnings’ are made public.
      and I bet you don’t pay any tax on the money you scrounge, it all goes straight into your crackdealer’s pocket.
      and isn’t it interesting how ashamed the money men are about their earnings?
      surely if they deserved that money they should be proud to declare what they have made.
      obviously they do not think they are worth what they screw out of the economy.
      logic innit.
      polly won’t say how much she makes because deep down polly knows she is not worth what she earns.

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      • 172
        aunty jane says:

        Fuck off back to Cuba tat, you camp pinko commie.

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          tat says:

          ah, phil the communit o’patsy is back for another bashing.
          jolly good.
          I am a capitalist you cretin.
          it is just that I believe in a more sustainable model.

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        • 310
          aunty jane says:

          Sorry about that…..

          Fuck off back to the mental home tat, you camp, capitalist сunt.

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        • 365
          tat says:

          well aunty jane, or should that be phil o’pasty?
          what do you prefer being, a man or a woman?
          you are definitely a woman tory troll. easy to spot when you know how.
          but it is always nice to have new fans.
          welcome aboard.
          are you a lesbian? I am pro lesbian.
          and don’t forget to fill out your thick as thieves fan club application form.
          good cripple.
          you can go now.

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      • 326
        Anonymous says:

        Oh fuck off TwAT – can’t you just get a room and then try and entice Steve to it, as your mating ritual (unrequited I’m sure) is just getting tired and boring.

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        • 366
          tat says:

          ah, steve, anonospaz @ 2.52pm must be your new hobo boyfriend.
          anonospaz, I hope you are not just using steve to get free crack off him.
          you fucking lowlife ponce, leave steve alone, he is in recovery you c’unt.
          fucking hell steve you tramp, you don’t half fucking pick them.
          your boyfriend’s a right fucking scrounging tit. ditch him for fucks sake steve, he only want to use you for crack and sex.
          I can’t see this relationship between two crackhead tramps lasting, can you?
          and don’t go out with the engineer on the rebound steve for fucks sake.
          the engineer is in love with his porn collection, not people.

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    Mr.Pimblie says:

    There is a rumour going around Westminster right now that last summer, in Polly Toynbee’s Tuscan villa, she and David Aaronovitch were seen dressed as-

    The remainder of this comment has been considered unfit for publication on the grounds that it might upset readers of the Guardian Newspaper

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      Engineer says:

      Oh go on – publish and be damned!

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        Australian says:

        You don’t mean to say that DA has tendencies similar to Max Moseley??!!!! (with Potty – that really is an unpleasant thought!)

        What else could it be that would upset Grauniad “readers”?

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          I’ll try again and see if I can get the rest of it out before the moderator sees me.

          Anyway, apparently Polly Toynbee and David Aaronovitch were seen cavorting dressed in duck costumes on the terrace of her villa. At one point it is alleged that Aaronovitch got out his –

          ***The rest of this post has been moderated. Please do not write this again… No one believes that Aaronovitch would do such a thing***

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          Australian says:

          Oh Mrs. P! Ducks! That shows far less imagination than Moseley!

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      Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

      Are you sure it wasn’t something unspeakable on a Russian Oligarch Billionaires yacht with Osbourne & Mandy enthusiatically engaging in hedonistic pactices like

      The graphic nature of this part of the comment has been considered unfit for publication on the grounds that it might upset NuLiebore & Tory readers

      oversized turnip and an assortment of farm animals.

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        …And anyway, so Aaronovitch is waving it about and Toynbee is getting really rather excited and then she goes over to Aaronovitch and grabs his-

        ***Moderated. Please desist otherwise I’ll have to call the Harriet Harman***

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        • 237
          barefootcontessa says:

          PT and DA are both nauseating, self satisfied, boring, predictable, totally full of themselves, unfunny journos. If they ever come up with the details of their tax payments, well,……. I’ll eat my hat!

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        • 337
          PT and DA says:

          Tax payments?

          Isn’t that something the little people have to do?

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  23. 39
    Charlie says:

    Good point . It is time MPs salaries were compared with the homes they live in to see how they manage it. In the case of Mandleson it does not add up. One can also look at the case of A Benn. Many lefties like Toynbee probably benefitted from inheritances and therefore do not fully understand the hard work it takes for those born in working and middle class families to improve themselves financially. Thats why they do not appreciate how damaging is a high level of taxation.

    Law inforcement agencies have been slow in following the money trail of criminals. How does someone undertaking poorly paid jobs afford such a large house? When the Irish authorities started following the mony they managed to catch many more criminals.

    Houe prices in Hull are low but Prescott live in a subsantial mansion. Of course this is where Labour MPs benefit. If one compares an MPs total remuneration pacakge in most the areas they represent; they are many times better paid than the person on th average wage. In places such as Hull, Glasgow , Salford the Labour MP is probably in the top 0.5-1.0% of earners.

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  24. 44
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Hurry, hurry, hurry only one copy of Brown’s biography of Maxton in stock at Amazon.

    Must go over to Hay on Wye to see if it is stockpiled in the remainder shops. I would be very surprised if Brown has any royalties from this (or any other books).

    Funnily enough there are no consumer reviews.

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    • 52
      Come the glourious day says:

      They have probably been removed in the same way as the petitioners on the Downing Street web site telling McBroon and Co to F’ Off.

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    • 53
      consumer review says:

      Crap.

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      • 62
        genghiz the kahn says:

        ” Charles Flaccidwidger (UK) – See all my reviews

        Ironic, isn’t it, that a man completely lacking any backbone has written this book? A man who has generally disappeared when the flack is flying. A man who finds it acceptable to ‘phone Susan Boyle but never calls the family of those killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. A book utterly devoid of anything new to say written by a man who has contributed nothing but disaster to Britain.”

        ” PDS “OldRaver” (Hertfordshire United Kingdom) – See all my reviews

        I came to this book in the depths of despair. It had been a long time since I had felt such inner pain and misery. I wasn’t certain that I could go on.

        Charlton had been relegated, again, and the feeling of uncontrollable doubt was immense. I turned to this book for some answers because I needed to restart my life. I had considered pysychotherapy, maybe some CBT as ordered by the labour party, and even watching Jeremy Kyle. But it was to this book that I felt drawn.

        On seeing its title I was enchanted. Yes, this is it, courage, that’s what I need! On seeing its author, I fell about laughing, threw the book out of the window and shot myself.”

        ” The Jabberwock (UK) – See all my reviews

        I would have thought that the role of Prime Minister of the UK would have yielded a more interesting insight than this. So I was slightly disappointed. I think the author should continue writing, however, should there be time to do so. I suggest the titles: “Responsibility”, “Honesty” and “Fairness” for future books. I await the deputies book on “Family Values” also.”

        “By S. BROWN “sb742″ (UK) – See all my reviews

        As far as I can see, the only reason to buy this book is to enjoy the irony of Gordon Brown writing on ‘courage’. ”

        “The Truth Will Out (Staffs, UK) – See all my reviews

        This book is full of empty platitudes, as you might expect from a politician with no bottle, desperate to become associated with the traits he so mind-numbingly describes.”

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          Charles Flaccidwidger says:

          Nice to see that mine hasn’t been deleted. Some new ones there too. Is anyone else going to join in?

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    Bottle-fed Triplet says:

    The Utopians that infest the Labour movement, the Fabians and the Socialists all believe that humankind can live in a fair, just and equal society. They talk about the formula for such a society as if it were some form of complicated arithmetic that only the truly intellectual can comprehend (and those that don’t comprehend can pretend that they do, so they won’t seem out of place).

    The Socialist Utopian ideal can work but the wannabee intellectuals always leave out one factor in the complex formula for their version of a fair and just world. That factor is human nature. Even then it cannot be called a factor as it has not one but myriad different forms, preferences, ideals and thoughts.

    From time to time it dawns on the “socialists” that this diverse human factor is causing their plan to fail, so rather than admitting defeat and working out a better way, they apply force. This coercion is doomed to fail as the human spirit is an incompressible medium. Squash it here and it pops out there. All tyrants learn this eventually. So for some of the brighter socialists, they know that where they cannot apply force they infiltrate and subvert.

    Like a spoilt child they take their football away. “If I can’t win nobody can.” Let’s watch this happen over the next few months once the polls make it clear that Labour are going to be defeated. Scorched earth and constant sniping from the bien pensent drones.

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  26. 54
    shelling-out says:

    John Prescott. The man who couldn’t cobble a sentence together.

    Flipping homes must have beeen really profitable as so many MP’s live in houses most of us can only dream about. If they haven’t paid the full amount of tax on this, the IR should be after them. They should have to pay up immediately – with interest!

    There is a rumour that Prescott is still being paid – I really hope that’s not true.

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      Pontius The Pilot says:

      Well, theres not been a by election in Hull, has there?

      He’s still thier MP.

      Hence, he still has his fingers in the till.

      IIRC, when he resigned from his post and his department was dissolved, didnt he get to keep the accrued ministers’ pension rights, parachute payments, etc? Even though he was no longer a minister? Even though he was without portfolio and should therefore have reverted back to an MP’s wage?

      The man is a complete and utter cnut.

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      • 242
        barefootcontessa says:

        He might be an ignoramus, but he’s had the wit to employ an accountant (probably) who keeps him on track vis a vis tax payments etc. A good example of a true blue socialist! He really cares for the workers!! Brings tears to your eyes doesn’t it?!

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  27. 56
    Engineer says:

    Well, well. Another bout of Toynbee-baiting. Seems to be a regular sport on Order-Order. Mind you, the silly bint does make herself an easy target.

    Guido, you seem to enjoy needling Polly. I’m beginning to think you secretly rather fancy her.

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    • 60
      sid says:

      It’s like admitting you fancy being spanked by a dead walrus penis covered in marmalade, so I wouldn’t count on a reply if I were you.

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        The 'real' PM says:

        Would that be chunky, thin cut or jelly?

        In my experience jelly is the best.

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        • 243
          barefootcontessa says:

          I am currently enjoying a bitter variety made in France by Bonne Maman – has a red and white gingham design lid. Thought as the ‘real’ PM you should know this!

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          Australian says:

          La Contessa:

          I assume (hope!) you are talking about marmalade and not the other item sid mentioned…!

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        • 349
          barefootcontessa says:

          I like it, down under!

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        Engineer says:

        There’s probably a dubious cellar in Soho where you can pay a small fortune for just that.

        Polly seems to crop up quite often, here. That’s all I’m saying…..

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          Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

          Didn’t Cameron and his key advisors urge the Tories to to look to Polly Toynbee instead of outdated ideas about welfare state, or something along those lines, not so very long ago ?

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        • 110
          lord dark of groaning says:

          “Polly seems to crop up quite often, here. That’s all I’m saying…..”

          Riding crops a, where do I sign?

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        • 138
          Engineer says:

          Cameron and Polly did seem to have a bit of a flirtation, yes. However, things seem to have cooled.

          Maybe Guido warned Cameron off. “Leave Polly – she’s mine, Davey boy.”

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  28. 58
    freddie flintoff says:

    so tories enter millionaries , labour leave millionaires , either way its us thats get fucked all the time buy thease hoons that use us as pawns in a game of chess

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  29. 63
    I've got more money than yeouw says:

    I’m an MP – heh heh heh

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    • 76
      And I've got more money than yeouw says:

      I’m a Banker – ha ha ha

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        Not for long says:

        Not once we set up the ‘High pay commission’ – which quite naturally won’t apply to us poor underpaid, underfed 3 house owning MPs

        Ho ho ho

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        • 128
          HighPayConmission says:

          Oh yes it will.

          The bench mark income will be set at 25p so as to stop any frauduelnt admission

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  30. 68
    Old Tory says:

    Guido you are spot on, in any business the boss (paymaster) knows what each of his workers is paid. If not, how on earth can he make judgments on the quality, output, ability, etc… how would he be able to make a business plan? When you think about it the system we have now is plain daft, why do taxpayers put up with it?

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      It's all Balls says:

      why do taxpayers put up with it?

      Because we’ve got no choice OT. We may have the choice between different political beliefs (though even that choice is less clear nowadays) but all parties are united as regards maintaining the pay and rations status quo.

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  31. 73
    Norwegian Troll says:

    In Norway anyone can walk off the street into the local tax office and over the counter there and then ask to see whoever earnt what last year and how much tax they paid.

    And every year in every commune the local Newspapers like the Stavanger Aftenblad print a league table with names and salaries of the top 100 wage earners and names and amount of taxes paid for the top 100 tax payers.

    But if you get done for Shoplifting or drink drivng, your name will never appear in any Norwegian newspapers.

    The exact opposite of the UK.

    Tusen Takk (Many thanks – a thousand thanks)

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      Mrs Broon (No Relation) says:

      I want to be Norwegian, I will even give up drinking.

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    • 98
      Phil O'Pastree says:

      The tax office has direct access to your bank account as well and can dip in and help itself. I know.

      Never got caught,, er done, for drink driving thankfully. 3 weeks in the nick even if still over the next morning when driving to work.

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    • 131
      Insider says:

      I get the distinct impression that it’s only in the UK that the people are so rigorously screwed by the elites. Most other enlightened countries would not treat their populace like shit.

      UK = Shit

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      The Analyst says:

      Its easier than that. I found details of my Norwegian client’s net worth on a website.

      I hope they never have that system over here.

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  32. 81
    Anonymous says:

    Take your vastly higher standard of living back to the fjords communist!

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    • 94
      Norwegian Troll says:

      When I was working in that most beautiful country in oil business for a larger US oil company my name appeared in the local newspaper in the top 100 wage earner list for the Stavanger commune.

      I still have the list framed on the wall, I earnt more than the Norwegian Prime Minister.

      But that was my downfall because the Norewgian Prime Minister asked the Stroting (the the Parliament) why a roustabout working on a monkey board (don’t ask me where these US oil speak comes from) was earning more than him.

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  33. 83
    6 million out of work says:

    this is news, not how much somebody earns.

    6 million! who the hell is paying their wages?

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  34. 90
    Edmund says:

    Mandleson boasted of activities which would be criminal for his constituents.

    Sic Transit Gloria Mundi

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  35. 91

    Whenever I contemplate our “Socialist” government and their hangers on I am strongly reminded of the skit that featured one John Cleese and the Ronnies – “I look down on him …” All so-called Socialism depends utterly on have a “victim” to “defend” and “nurture” – someone you don’t want to live next door to (Hence expensive pads in Tuscany!) or mix with socially except when trying to show off how egalitarian we are.

    And for the most part it isn’t the real Toffs that are socialist – its the Upper Middle Class and university grad scions of professional parents.

    It must be genetic. Throw some money at finding the gene and theb one that makes civil servants the wasters they are – and eradicate it before it dooms civilisation!

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  36. 92
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    Lord Knobtoucher got 425K from his old mum?
    Course he fucking did,
    She was married to an ad salesman from ( from what is known in North London and North Manchester as ” The news of the J ews”
    I wonder just how much cash he has hidden away apart from the open stuff like the Barbies castle that he lives in.

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    • 262
      Heretic says:

      ‘course we all know ‘im mandy fly me’ has a 2nd (3rd 4th ?)
      job of flogging his very own brand of SHIT!!!!
      on hampstead heath.

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    freddie flintoff says:

    i am just sick of these ” journos” i dont want some hoon to tell me who to vote for, or whos right or wrong , they should just fuck off and play there games with eachother , i dont care who gets paid what ( unless its taxpayer funded) people will earn what the market can afford so all these people like polly twaddle and all those on there high horse shut the fuck up , how many homes did geoff hoon have before he became a mp ? WHY CANT THEY SEE THEY STILL DONT GET IT

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  38. 106
    McGroom says:

    While working for some of the largest financial institutions in the world I came to realise that banks never knowingly give away money to either their staff or clients.

    If individuals are paid astronomic sums by ordinary standards, it is because their employer is making a lot more from their services than the individual is and if they did not pay them, someone else would.

    Darling and Brown are employing the “disparage and finger point” at any one they feel warrants disapproval and try to regulate and tax the “offenders”.

    Britain has allowed Gordon Brown to implement a Stalinist approach to control every aspect of our lives from unimcumbered CCTV, fiscal and internet monitoring whilst subjugating the security services and civel service for their political ends.

    Now the FSA wants to have control of how much bankers can be paid by their employers.

    The conservatives have to get on top of this arguemnt and point out in really scary terms how ZaNuLieBour have the power under existing legislation to monitor and interfer with every aspect of our lives.

    Stop Big Brother and stop ceding power to Brussels.

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      Bottle-fed Triplet says:

      I worked in a company that was in the private sector. This is how the system worked. If I did my job well and I boosted the company profits, my boss would reward me with a bonus. If I didn’t do my job well and we didn’t make a profit, my boss would not give me a bonus. If I did my job badly and we lost money, my boss would sack me.

      Easy, innit?

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    • 205
      "Not fair" says:

      An American bank is now crying to the FSA on unfair bank remuneration payment practices to a British Bank!

      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=a3xmbLU4QR2g

      …………..”J P Morgan Chase & Co asked the U.K. Financial Services Authority to investigate a “multimillion-pound” pay package said to have been offered to attract one of its leading traders to Barclays Capital, the investment banking arm of Barclays Plc, the Financial Times reported today, citing people familiar with the matter”……………………

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    • 259
      Sir William Waad says:

      That principle tends to stop at the boardroom door. Beyond that threshold the boys at the top just decide how much they would like to be paid, hooting with laughter as they dream up an ingenious new can’t-lose bonus.

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    MB says:

    I worked as a lowly engineer for the BBC. Why should my neighbours know how much I earned and how much I got in expenses – I spent much of my time away from home and anyone who does not do this themselves just see the amount claimed, not all the inconvenience and sheer boredom of being away from home all week. People who worked for rival commercial organisations would not have their income disclosed. I suspect that employees might want paying more as compensation for the loss of their privacy.

    Would the disclosure be extended to anyone freelance worker or even companies doing contract work for the public organisation.

    I would very much like to see the newspapers who spend half their time criticising the BBC publish how much they pay people particularly the celebrities who write columns (or ghost write).

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      shelling-out says:

      MB

      You have to understand that the public hear about the BBC throwing lavish champagne parties and sending their people off to far flung places on jollies – all at our expense and yet, the powers that be grouse and moan that the license fee is not enough, and we should be paying them more. That’s what I object to. If a company is funded with public money, as the BBC is, then the license-payer has every right to see what their hard-earned is being spent on. I wouldn’t think that would include the financial details of every single employee, but I would like to see exactly how the BBC’s money is allocated.

      I know all about working away from home. Both myself and my spouse have had to do this over the years and it isn’t pleasant.

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    • 130
      Norwegian Troll says:

      I couldn’t give a swinging dick how much you earn.

      What I am concerned about is my TV licence going to pay the salary of a “lowly engineer”. Did you sit under the desk of Sophie Raworth rubbing her legs when she was presnting the new.

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        teddytomkins says:

        is that what they mean by norwegian blue?

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          Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

          Beautiful plumage that Sophie.

          Are you realted to the Streeb-Greeblings Norwegian Troll ?

          Or perhaps the Greeb-Streeblings. Where the “T” is silent, as in “fox”.

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    • 256
      The Archbishop of Canterbury says:

      What I would like from the BBC is that each programme has a figure displayed in the top-left hand corner of the screen (or the top right, I’m not fussy) how much money was spent on that episode. So when Eastenders is on we can see £250K or whatever. When Ross is on we can see £1M.

      Just so we know.

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  40. 109
    Hugh Jardon says:

    tipped to A……

    Incidentally, it’s been a while since I mentioned that I may have boned Mrs D, over the bonnet of my spitfire….

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    Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

    All public expenditure should be open to scrutiny, since it’s our money paying the bills. My LA often refuses top publicise details of contracts it has let out of ‘confidentiality’.

    If companies don’t want the details published they needn’t tender for public work.

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  42. 119
    Rip Van Winkle says:

    This bonus business. Just let the f’ckers go bust when they get it wrong. They might not be so keen in paying ridiculous ‘salaries’ for taking ridiculous risks when they actually pay with their jobs.

    Simples.

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  43. 120
    bergen says:

    I’ve become so bloody cynical these days that I reckon this proposal would make matters worse.Every quangocrat would look at the tables and find out the highest pay for someone in a vaguely comparable non-job and then demand to match it for”parity”.

    Useless scum.

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    • 164
      Insider says:

      otherwise, everyone would end up working forthe same company, comprendez?

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      Ah, but when I become President of the Mangoes, I shall find the lowest pay for a given job, and impose that pay on comparable jobs.

      And then I shall burn their corpses in my great charnel house fired power station and sell electricity for a penny per unit until they are all immolated.

      There will always be Mango Quangoes, and therefore we shall have a renewable source of electricity for ever and ever!

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  44. 121
    This is not an aspirational handle says:

    Good to see Guido boycotting the TV tax – Mrs Fawkes too I trust?

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  45. 124
    David Davis says:

    I never go home other than to say a quick hello to the missus, then get straight back to London and fuck a “researcher”.
    This MP lark is fucking good isnt it?
    And Im one of the better ones.

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  46. 125
    Olly boy says:

    The BBC and other public sector employees (including MP’s) should bloody well reveal how much cash their pocketing not that it will happen.

    Polly is simply an awful, labour apologist, champagne socialist joke of a journalist who sits there and waffles on and on about bugger all trousering all that cash whilst sitting in one of her three ivory towers.

    Going back to the Beeb, I’m sick to death of the blatant left wing bias that they spout out and I don’t see why I should pay for it!

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    • 129
      freddie flintoff says:

      dont watch the bbc , sky sports much better

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    • 134
      shelling-out says:

      We haven’t watched the BBC for some months now. We got sick of all the bias reporting.

      Sky is better.

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    • 144
      Norwegian Troll says:

      As far as I can remember, weren’t the BBC dead against the Iraq war, Dimbleby was spouting his anti-war rhetoric during the vote on going to war. Why were they called the Baghdad Broadcasting Corporation?

      Jeremy Clarkson hates the one-eyed Scottish idiot and exhalts the virtues of German Engineering every week on BBC Top Gear.

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    • 165
      Lord Reith's Ghost says:

      The BBC has esssentially already been put on an “election footing” -Just wait until the conference season starts – essentialy the “firing gun” for the election campaign to start. The BBC is part of the Labour machine so expect fairly robust pro-Labour items in the next few months and some pretty tough questionning of Cameron & Co and a lot of lvey-dovey soft soap for Mandelson and that Scotch bloke he tells what to do !!

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      • 213
        bergen says:

        Agreed.Last week Evan Davies gave Mandelson the type of interview usually reserved for the Tories and clearly felt it was not appropriate.I’m afraid he’s blotted his copybook and it will be back to Jim(“when we’ve won the election”) Naughtie to give “impartial” Today interviews to the Newlab nomenklatura in future.

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        • 263
          barefootcontessa says:

          Jim Naughty is not up to scratch, should be confined to reading and opera programmes. His knowledge of politics is poor and he’s too keen on interrupting so he can hear the sound of his own voice rather than that of the interviewee’s. Evan Davis did good v Mandelslime the other day! Nearly bested him, the creep!

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        • 356
          Prince Rupert says:

          Did you say “nearly fisted him”, I only mention this as the pair are a couple of mattress munchers

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  47. 135
    Anonymous says:

    Why do politicians stay well away from the war dead? I mean it was them who sent them off to war in the first place.

    Why do politicians rush to pose for photographs with the survivors of horrific injuries incurred during war and now being repaired by the state?

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  48. 145
    Gordon McMental says:

    I am currently (no pun intended ,I dont do jokes ) recieving some electro therapy that will help me to lift this country out of poverty when I recover.
    My right hand man Peter will carry on running the country until I come out of the coma and lead you all to Nirvana.
    The supreme(love that Diana Ross) Leader
    Gordon McMental

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  49. 150
    jack cracker says:

    I am sick of Radio 4 middle class comedy – it is horse cock

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    • 175
      tommytomkins says:

      me too

      Like

    • 177
      Gobshite says:

      Agree with that. Comedy written by Tarquin and produced by Rupert.

      Like

      • 185
        toksvig says:

        Posh names + marxism, a lethal combination of something deeply unfunny.

        Like

      • 192
        Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

        But they have jolly little “comedy” songs and rib-tickling skits and puns.
        How can that not be funny ?

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        • 232
          Bottle-fed Triplet says:

          I am annoyed that a funny programme such as ‘Cabin Pressure’ gets shunted to 11.30 on a Friday to make way for blatantly Lefty “comedy” from that desperately bad ‘Yappy I’mIrani” woman. About as funny as a piranha in your bidet.

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        • 244
          Lord Gideon Partisan Babbling Bigot says:

          Is she the one who imploded on Just a minute last night ?

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        • 327
          PhatCat says:

          Yes. She was and is superlatively rubbish on Just a Minute.
          Q What does she, Eddie Murphy and Jim Carrey have in common?
          A None of them are funny. (And they’re all annoying too)

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  50. 159
    aunty says:

    Radio 4 comedy = oxymoron

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    • 180
      Charles Flaccidwidger says:

      Try “I’m Sorry I Haven’t a Clue”. Genuinely funny.

      Like

    • 203
      monstrous carbuncle says:

      as long as it’s not satire.

      satire runs the danger of taking the piss out of the Tories as well as Labour and that simply will not do!

      Like

      • 218
        ben elton says:

        Don’t worry, I’m sure satire will make a return once the Tories get back in. In fact I’m counting on it.

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        • 236
          monstrous carbuncle says:

          I think you’ll find it never went away and with such gems as Queen the musical you have been doing your level best to keep it there Mr Elton.

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        • 293
          ben elton says:

          “I think you’ll find it never went away.

          “If you mean the odd comment on HIGNFY and a few hours of Rory Bremner, that well known leftie, I think you might be overstating your case a tad.

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        • 298
          Charles Flaccidwidger says:

          Ahhhhh, Ben Elton. One of my television highlights was seeing his face when it became apparent that Kinnock/Labour weren’t going to win the 1992 election. On dark and depressing days, the thought of his total dejection cheers me no end.

          Funny how he hasn’t been too visible since, oh I don’t know, early May 2007.

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        • 303
          Anonymous says:

          I think that should be 1997

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        • 363
          monstrous carbuncle says:

          there’s nothing worse than a Party hack Mr Elton.

          there’s plenty of satire if you know where to find it and aren’t too sensitive a soul that cannot take a joke at his own Parties expense.

          Private Eye for instance is resonsible for most of the Dear Leader/Stalin/Brown jokes long before they were vogue on here.

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  51. 161
    Norwegian Troll says:

    Bob whatever his name is lovely & cuddly. He keeps sending British Troops over to Voss in Norway to train in minus 40 degrees so they can be sent to Afghanistan to fight in plus 40 degrees.

    All the ‘elicopters for theatre are painted in snow camofluage, ideal for Afghanistan.

    Bob whatever his name went out to buy our troops camofluage uniforms but couldn’t find any.

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    • 173
      mad fred 2 para retired says:

      That Assistant Shop Steward does not even have McMentals mobile phone number, so lowly is he thought of in Cabinet.

      Bob was the final insult to many British troops in Afghanistan – & Bob, if you are reading this, when you go to Afghanistan remember to take some body armour with you.

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      • 210
        Anonymous says:

        Of course he hasn’t !It’s a well known rumour circulating in Whitehall that Brown has never had much interest in the military matters – hence his cut backs on the army’s defence budget when he was Chancellor-he doesn’t regard it as a high priority spending wise – preferring instead to target International Aid spending to eradicate “world poverty”.

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      • 227
        Hugh Janus says:

        4th choice for Def Secretary – no pride, should have done us all a favour and told McMental where to shove it.

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        • 345
          Australian says:

          Actually a point in the silly prat’s favour: being Brown’s 4th choice must make you better suited for the job than being Brown’s 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice.

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      • 231
        nell says:

        Would that protect him from an IED?

        What they need to do is fly him about in one of those Ukrainian tin cans that our men are having to use and then let him travel round helmand in an unprotected jeep under fire.

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    • 250
      Sir William Waad says:

      Millets do a good range.

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    • 276
      barefootcontessa says:

      I think you should know, his name is Bob ain’t ‘alf ‘ot mum not worth a shit ainsworth. Variations supplied.

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  52. 182
    freddie flintoff says:

    right labour voters hate the goverment because there see them as tory -lite , so labour mps acuse the tories of being tories , and they expect to get more votes , is in me or does this seem like a bit crazy ?

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    • 206
      RavingMad says:

      nu labor are not tory-lite freddie, they are neo fascists.

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    • 220
      Norwegian Troll says:

      In the recent European Elections or local elections, can’t remember 15% voted for Labour on a turnout of 35% of eligible voters.

      Now 15% of 35% means that 5% of the eligible voters voted for Labour or put another way 95% didn’t.

      We have recently hasd an unelected Prime Mentalist hadning over the regins of power to an unelected Lord.

      And these tossers have the nerve to lecture the Afghanistans and Zimbaweans on democracy?

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  53. 184
    electro-kevin says:

    Guido – agreeing fundamentally with you on this post. The right to privacy on pay.

    You said in another post that the military often attract the best talent despite having low pay. I agree with that too.

    I’d say that there are many people in various capacities on very high pay who are a total menace to this country – including bankers.

    On paying bankers vast amounts of money to attract the right talent I’m afraid I don’t agree. I think that’s bunkum.

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  54. 188
    TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

    You’d have thought when twice-disgraced Mandy the unflushable t*rd wanted to become a lord the real ones would have objected. Like Archole, it just lowers the tone so much the whole institution ends up having no credibility at all.

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  55. 194
    freddie flintoff says:

    just a thought is the jonah thing gordon or labour ?

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  56. 195
    Anonymous says:

    yep; let’s publish all our tax returns. It’d certainly make life a lot easier for burglars who can then target the right houses (“no alarm, and just a small/normal house, but half a million quid of turnover; I’ll definitely give them a go”)

    It’ll also help corporations in deciding who they can piss on, “too rich for legal aid, too poor to afford a barrister; we can do whatever the fuck we want with this guy because he can’t take us to court”

    If I earn over a certain amount then scroungers can attack me for being rich.

    If I earn under a certain amount then everyone I know and all my neighbours can take the piss and say “didn’t know you were that poor. ha. ha”.

    And all my work colleagues and competitors can see how much I’m earning too, and adjust their sales pitches accordingly to undercut me.

    What fucking planet are these wankers on?

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  57. 196
    NotaSheep says:

    “So Aaronovitch, here is a chance for you to lead by example: how much did you make last year?” Too much?

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    • 280
      barefootcontessa says:

      I guess, lots! And he’s a lover of that two faced religious self deceiver tony blair.

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  58. 201

    Bob Ainsworth is the spittin’ image of the local parkie – a right jobsworth if ever there was one.
    I was having a smoke the other day and the guy shouts, “Get off the grass”. I told him it wasnt grass, it was crack.

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  59. 202
    RavingMad says:

    Aaronovitch is being his usual utilitarian and condescending self here. How this man still has access to the corridors of power in order to offer the population his quintessentially dynosuarian views of the world, I don’t know. This over privileged fart is thoroughly disdainful of any sort of personal accountability, prefering instead to to blame Thatcher for everything and if not her, the bloody miners. He makes me incanescent with rage and whenever I hear of him or see him on the media I want to vomit. His love for the illegal war in Iraq transcends his odious persona by a hulking mile. He should be shot not offered further opportunity to try to make a name for himself. Tosser

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    • 282
      barefootcontessa says:

      I know, but it would be more than my job’s worth to tell you. Sorry, more than my life’s worth. I couldn’t agree with you more RaM.

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      • 292

        I once got talking to David Aaronovitch at a party conference. He said that Harriet Harman taught him how to hold on to his farts so that he could release them at an opportune moment. Apparently she uses the technique in cabinet when Mandy is about to pipe up

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  60. 204
    freddie flintoff says:

    the only happy scot i can thing of is ally mcoist

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  61. 209
    Anonymous says:

    Does Aaronovitch still write articles defending paedo scum?

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  62. 245
    Sir William Waad says:

    I’m sure any High Pay Unit would live up to its title and give high pay to all the useless parasites it employed. It sounds like yet another expensive solution desperately searching for a problem.

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  63. 251
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t make sense to me that our soldiers should die trying to protect a rigged election.

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  64. 253
    Eileen Critchley says:

    Bound to have been said many times before but…..

    Governments should have nothing to do with private sector salaries. You’re either a free market or you’re not!

    That is of course until you become the property of the government.

    Maggie would have let Northern Rock fail! and I suspect if she had the real ‘enemy within’ would have quickly got their houses in order rather than dumping all the shit on us!

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    • 265
      shelling-out says:

      There is talk of government splitting NR into a good bank and a bad bank. The good part would then be sold off.

      The IMF would have to approve it, and that could take time. It might be that the sale would end up being too close to the election, which wouldn’t sit too well with Gordon.

      If that’s the case, it doesn’t look as thought we, the taxpayers, will get much of our money back, does it.

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      • 322
        fedupwithbrown says:

        They’re only kidding. There’s no good part it’s a basket case. Only wanting to hold on to savers money as long as possible.

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  65. 254

    You’re right on the money here, Guido. Here in America, politicians’ tax details are indeed a matter of public record. If you wish to trouser a salary from the taxpayer it’s entirely reasonable for the public to know how much you put back into the system.

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    • 301
      Heretic says:

      MP’s should be paid a year behind so that then
      they could submit a self report on what they’ve done
      & why they deserve next years salary (& perks).
      If they really performed dismally then the money
      should be reduced on a sliding scale.
      (might even get some BACK !)

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  66. 261

    Didn’t Mandleson make his money selling an advertising agency or something?

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    • 268
      shelling-out says:

      He’s hardly Saachi & Saachi, is he. His taste in clothes is abysmal.

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    • 277
      Satan says:

      nope, fucker sold his soul at birth.

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    • 357
      Levi Stapress says:

      Apologies to Dean Martin and ‘Amore':

      I am gay I am bent
      I buy arses for rent
      I’m Lord Mandy
      I love Tony it’s true
      but I love Gordon too
      I’m Lord Mandy
      tills will ching ting a ling a ling
      with loads a money
      Ruskies pay, Yankees too
      love the gay smiling lordy

      when the cash makes me drool like Reinaldo’s tool
      I’m Lord Mandy
      when I buy a new pad it’s the bribes that I’ve had
      I’m entitled
      tills will ring ching a ling a ling with loads a money
      but I wouldn’t admit that with gangsters I’m chummy

      Brussels waits for me as they’ve paid me you see,
      I’m Lord Mandy
      and when Tony is there I’ll be stroking his hair
      I’m Lord Mandy
      when you walk down in a dream but you know you’re not dreaming signore
      scuzza me but you see back in old Brussels town it’s all sorted
      It’s all sorted

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  67. 305
    tory boys never grow up says:

    If private individuals have made money in the private sector why does anyone apart from their paymasters – the shareholders – have a right to know what they are being paid?

    So are their any FTSE 1000 companies which do not have investments from major pension schemes – like it or not most of us are shareholders in most major companies – so this argument for private sector pay privacy is pretty weak.

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    • 351
      Ever Vigilant says:

      Pretty weak yourself leftie .

      Your argument assumes that everyone in the private sector works for a major
      company or is a shareholder in a large business merely because of pension contributions . Try attending a shareholders meeting on that basis .

      It is that type of flawed thinking that causes a lot of pain to small businesses .

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      • 353

        You can, as a shareholder, submit a request for a vote at the A.G.M. TELLING the board to reveal their remuneration.

        Maybe you should buy some shares and give it a go.

        No try the above with Al-BBC or your council…

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      • 375
        tory boys never grow up says:

        Flawed thinking youself FTSE companies are by definition large and listed and not small businesses – and most pension schemes do not invest in unlsted private companies. An investor in a company through their pension scheme is still an investor and exposed to the same risks and rewards as a direct investor, so why shouldn’t they have similar rights (i appreciate that they don’t at present) – and perhaps one of the sources of our problems has been the passive role played in corporate governance played by the investment managers who manage pension schemes.

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        • 376
          tory boys never grow up says:

          Anti Citizen One – not much point in submitting such a request – listed companies are already required to disclose such information in respect of their directors – difficult to see why the same shouldn’t be provided in respect of higher paid employees of listed companies however.

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  68. 339
    Ever Vigilant says:

    I cannot see a reason to explain the reluctance of UK journalists ,including Aaronovitch and Toynbee,to nail Brown about his total disregard for truth .

    He gives them an open goal almost every week but they make no attempt to score . Why ?

    If they were afraid of Mandleson, there now less need . He has publicly admitted that he has curbed his instinct to kill those who get in his way.

    Perhaps they do not believe him .

    (Why do journos fawn all over this creep ?)

    There is a huge amount of video evidence about Brown making his boasts
    about no more boom and bust but not one journalist has the gumption to tell him to his face that he is a crude liar to claim that his actual phrase included the word TORY (as if that makes a difference anyway )

    It is true that he said more than once that there would be no more TORY boom and bust .

    On two occcasions he said it aLabour Party conferences, adding TORY to his original words merely as a dog whistle to cue a rapturous reception from his doltish audience ( which reception,incidentally , also indicates the urgent need for massive extra spencding on mental health care for New labour members ) .

    But,on numerous occasions in the House,he modified the phrase to be simply
    “no more boom and bust ”

    Obviously, because he is effortlessly a natural coward ,he chose noy to face the ridicule and uproar that would have been hurled at him if he had included the TORY word .

    It would restore my faith in British journalists if just one would say to Brown ,
    ” You are a liar and a coward .Why hang around until the noble queer tells you to go ? Resign . Do it now .”

    On the other hand,after second thoughts , I want him to stay so that the tories can maximise their majority .

    It gives me no pleasure to be this rude about the creature Brown—– I would prefer to respect each and every British Prime Minister but this man has completely debased his high office. He is scum of first order .

    (Why on earth do journos fawn all over this creep ? )

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  69. 355
    caesars wife says:

    Nice take on Arrononvitch article aguido , patronising clap trap from Guardian in two articles was just too much for me .

    Freddie Flintoff :looks like your in ! fast wicket by the looks of it . slow warm up on the shoulder

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  70. 361
    Anonymous says:

    Since when does Guido give a shit about privacy. Oh no please protect the super rich but I will do anything I can to invade the privacy of politicians.. not a popular view in these times but true

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  71. 367
    itsfrothyman says:

    Toynbee’s a card isn’t she. You are right though Guido, my employer know’s what tax I pay and want’s to know that they get value for money. And as for you Anonymous, why don’t you fuck right off?

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  72. 370
    Aaaaaaronaaaaavitch says:

    I was only joking you twat, I’m not really going to tell you how much income I get.

    Do you not realise I meant other people should tell, but not me?

    Do you not know I am a hypocrite of the highest order?

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  73. 373
    Keith Elliott says:

    So how much do you make then? You tell us what toynbee makes?

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