August 6th, 2009

Murdoch Bucks the Market

rupe_rupeCan he buck the market?  As newspaper revenues crumble, Murdoch says he will charge for online news.  Guido’s hunch is that even if that becomes widespread this will not save the newspaper industry.  It is like the plan by canal owners of old to use the new railway trains to pull their barges along.  Rupert will lose a lot of eyeballs and the advertising revenue that goes with that, niche market media (like this blog) will soak up mass market audiences that will not be willing to climb the paywall.  This is a mis-step from the maestro.  Bring it on…

Will however be fun to find out how much revenue columnists earn when they are charged out for pennies per reader for their insights – Michael Gove forinstance might not be such a draw after all.  Will he earn back for Murdoch the £1,250 per hour he charges him for those Times columns?  That is a lot of micro-payments…


193 Comments

  1. 1
    Pugh, Pugh, Barny McGrew, Cuthbert Dibble and Grub (I think. Correct me if I'm wrong) says:

    I prefer the Telegraph if it weren’t for the IE 6 thing

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    • 3
      Steve Expat says:

      Nobody should still be using IE6, it’s a steaming piece of shit of an incompatible web browser, that complies only with its own standards.

      The problem is a number of companies have intranets and key business applications that require IE6 to work. It’s an IT managers’ nightmare (and I am one of them!)!

      Don’t blame website designers for failing to support a seven-year-old web standards-incompatible web browser. They literally have to write their whole website again just for the decreasing number of IE6 refuseniks.

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      • 5
        tat says:

        fuck off steve.
        you are not an it manager, you are a crackhead tramp who lives on the streets and smells of piss.
        stop hiding from the reality of your situation and deal with it steve.
        you will never get better if you don’t.

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        • 19
          Projectile vomit Vinnie says:

          Yea, that’s right, a crack head tramp with a laptop.

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        • 20
          Don't Feed Trolls says:

          Ah, another troll turns up. Are you Charles’s brother?

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        • 184
          Just Curious..... says:

          tat, tat, tat; tut, tut, tut!
          Steve is a highly qualified expert in information technology with a Master’s degree in computer science. What are you qualified for? I”m sure well all deserve to know the truth by now….

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      • 92

        President of the internet says IE is a piece of crap

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    • 36

      I have but haven’t read J K Rowling’s books, but have watched the movies. Her donation to Labour was a masterstroke, and her stories contain a lot of strategy. Understanding strategy is key to success, self-development, and so forth. They’re a useful study for any aspiring General, CEO, or President.

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    • 77
      The BBC are vermin says:

      Forget Gove, How much is Sir Stupid Shite going to earn?

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      • 179
        Abolish the Licence Fee says:

        He will earn nothing. But will be paid SHEDLOADS just like the rest of the lying, thieving little scumsuckers.

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    • 187
      Just Curious..... says:

      I thought it was Hugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew (and so on)

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  2. 2
    Steve Expat says:

    Ha ha ha – there’s no way people will pay for the Times while the DT, Indy, BBC, Reuters, AP etc all remain free, not to mention thousands of other news-orientated websites and blogs.

    The only pay newspaper in the country is the FT, where the content is specialised enough and its average customer wealthy enough for it to work – either that or they can work out how to delete cookies ;-)

    Good luck with that Rupert, but the genie of free news is already out of the bottle…

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    • 7
      tat says:

      there is no way you will ever pay for a newspaper steve and why should you?
      you go to the tip and get the newspapers(your bedding) for free innit.

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      • 25
        Steve Expat says:

        lol, you twat!

        I normally read the Times and the DT online, buy the weekend editions occasionally. I’m obviously part of the problem for them as I contribute very little money but read all their valuable content. Someone will probably take a copy as soon as it’s up and post it somewhere else anyway (hopefully someone big like Google)

        If Murdoch seriously thinks a pay business model works, he should look at the success the music industry in the US have had su.ing their own customers.

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      • 37

        I popularised the term “governance” and it’s interesting seeing how it’s gone around and stuck.

        For the folks railing against dictatorship versus democracy, secrets versus openess, it’s an interesting focus to begin asking “What do we do?” and “What do you want?” rather than getting bogged down in implementation details and personalities. There’s an element of spin in that position but, really, does anyone care and does it matter? *shrug* Dunno. You tell me, Sherlock.

        Be still, grasshopper.

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        • 53
          LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

          WE DO WAR – IT IS WHAT WE DO
          TORTURE AND WAR ARE OUR FIELDS OF EXPERTISE
          OVER 1 MILLION DEAD IRAQIS – WE DO NOT MESS ABOUT
          OVER 4 MILLION IRAQIS DISPLACED BECAUSE OF OUR LAW BREAKING WARS
          WE DO NOT FUCK AROUND#
          VOTE DEATH
          VOTE LABOUR

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    • 26
      RobW says:

      I noticed that the other day. You just have to rewrite the Authorised=false bit of the URL to Authorised=true and delete your cookies and hey presto you’re in again.

      Also this Murdoch plan will never work — why pay for a load of shit that you’ll only read if it’s free and you’re bored.

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    • 178
      Abolish the Licence Fee says:

      I must agree, Steve. Murdoch’s empire is only afloat today thanks to HUGE borrowings. It is one of the most indebted corporations on the planet. One false move now and it’s curtains. Could this be it? As you say, there are hundreds of other perfectly good free sources of news online. And the corpses of dead and skint media moguls are strewn throughout history.

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  3. 4
    Libertarian says:

    It’s not the paid concept so much that’s wrong it’s the belief that The Sun or The Times has any part to play in it.

    Basically these vehicles( newspapers) are just delivery mechanisms, that control the funding. No longer necessary. Individual jouno’s. op-ed writers etc are the future, delivered by blog and aggregated by the readership. Priced either as very low subscription or preferably free to read with alternative revenue streams such as advertising, merchandising sponsorship etc.

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    • 10
      The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

      Fucking ballet
      Well said

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      • 13
        Dick the Prick says:

        Just what the hell is the point? What possible heads up on the news do they possess that can’t be obtained from AP, sites like this, coffee house, politics home etc. The Metro does sufficiently well as a don’t really give a monkeys rag so screw em – if they wanna charge they can but it ain’t gonna happen unless they can some how charge the internet provider.

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    • 28
      Andy says:

      totally agree…I would probably pay for Rachel Sylvester’s columns, they’re excellent, but the rest of the site isn’t worth paying for. Michael Gove’s columns are crap, I wouldn’t pay him 50p a year let alone £1500 per column.

      Besides, what’s to stop an advertising-funded site based outside of the UK from ripping the entire day’s content and hosting it on its own site? Making the site UK-only doesn’t work since all you need is a UK-based user account…or a proxy.

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      • 58
        Steve Expat says:

        Absolutely nothing to stop someone else ripping – especially someone big and American like Google, with US freedom-of-speech rulings behind them!

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      • 186
        Just Curious..... says:

        Good point! Clearly the Dirty Digger hasn’t thought this one through.

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    • 43

      There’s some interesting ideas emerging about the workplace that mirror turning libraries and shops into more social environments. Likewise, I’m impressed by the potential of Swedish building and traditional Japanese house design principles. Britain’s building stock doesn’t fit the modern world and while modification can help repurpose some buildings, sending the bulldozers in has advantages elsewhere.

      So, I’m just putting this on the table to see what happens. Some folks won’t understand it and other folks will tear their shirts over it, but I’ve found most folks come around eventually if there’s anything in there worth developing.

      Be still, grasshopper.

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      • 57
        LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

        IF IT IS ARAB WE WILL KILL IT
        HATE MUSLIMY PEOPLE AND ARABS?
        VOTE LABOUR
        WE WILL CLEAN THE STREETS OF ARAB FILTH
        GORDON IS GETTING ON WITH THE JOB OF KILLING AFGHANS
        EVERY VOTE FOR LABOUR IS ONE LESS DIRTY ARAB TO WORRY ABOUT
        VOTE LABOUR
        WE KILL ARABS

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  4. 6
    misterjfw says:

    I can’t see his plan working either.

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    • 34
      Sir William Waad says:

      The big papers in the USA tried this. It flopped and they had to go back to free view. Murdoch may just be running this one up the flagpole (like the Waad arms above the gatehouse here).

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    • 38

      Any organisation generates error. What degree a minister is responsible for or how guilty they are of covering up is a thing for proper discussion. But, a lot of error is just the price of existing and many errors get picked up by other mechanisms in the system. The two leakworthy examples I’ve given from personal experience reflect that.

      Be still, grasshopper.

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  5. 8
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    Whatever !
    He has a fit Chinese bird fucking years younger than himself and rakes in shit loads of cash from writing total fucking bollocks.
    I’m halfway there .

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    • 17
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      I hope Mrs Beast doesn’t read your blog. Otherwise, double-glaze the dog kennel.

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    • 18
      Doctor Mick says:

      Most Chinese birds are years younger than himself. He’s an old gadge pushing old technology. Like Sugar. Without the bird.

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    • 44

      One minor success I’ve had is persuading my local politicians to remove planning restrictions on the city centre, and talk up a previously ghettoised community as “a place people would like to visit. My personal vision is that the city develop its shopping district like Tokyo’s Ginza district, and bring more added value business, like law, design, and so forth into an area with emerging potential.

      Be still, grasshopper.

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      • 59
        LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

        FED UP OF DIRTY AFGHANS?
        SO ARE WE – TOGETHER WE CAN KILL THEM ALL
        ONLY THEN WILL WE BE SAFE ON THE STREETS OF BRITAIN
        WE WILL NOT BE SAFE UNTIL THEY ARE ALL DEAD
        VOTE LABOUR

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      • 181
        Trevor Brooking says:

        You’ve never had any success at anything. That’s why you’re reduced to spamming up this blog. Fucking low life parasite. Can’t even get a job in the public sector

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  6. 9
    Murdoch says:

    I am an old man and I will be dead soon.
    I just want to screw a few more quid out of my retarded customers before I pop my clogs!

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    • 31
      Oink says:

      we know

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    • 46

      The over-forceful and divisive approach the Tories are favouring has the same look and feel. The psychology of this is orientated towards outward strength and inner fear, and sucking on that teat just pushes things over the edge. This is why I advocate that Labour don’t chase that lemming over the cliff but continue to develop a more mature and inclusive approach.

      Be still, grasshopper.

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      • 61
        LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

        ANTI TORTURE? BE A MAN
        TORTURE IS GOOD AND GETS RESULTS
        WATERBOARDING IS NOT TORTURE
        NOT REALLY, EH?
        VOTE LABOUR FOR REAL FINGER CHOPPING OFF TYPE OF TORTURE
        WE ARE NOT FUCKING ABOUT HERE
        VOTE FOR US
        WE TORTURE

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      • 94
        Brian P says:

        “Labour don’t chase that lemming over the cliff but continue to develop …!

        Charles get your English right !! – “continues” –

        “Labour” is singular although it has a vast number of tossers as members!

        Get it right Charles!!

        Don’t communicate with Conservative Supporters – preach to the converted – you dickhead!

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  7. 11

    Perhaps I’m old-fashioned – but I still think the printed press has a place in the market. If only it would fill its pages with decent content instead of jumping on every obvious bandwagon or colourful parade.

    I also think newspapers might want to consider their political positioning. Papers whose target audience is left, or right, who then continually publish articles by people who hate that audience are just alienating their customers.

    I stopped buying the Telegraph in January for much this reason. I’m sure there are lefties who hate some of the pieces the Guardian prints… The occasional wider ranging article would be fine, but irritating your readership is not something I imagine will ultimately be a clever marketing decision.

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  8. 12

    The press does have a place, but their costs have to adjust to their revenues, which will be down.

    What I don’t understand is why the press aren’t experimenting with daily downloads to iPhones for a small fee.

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    • 47

      Behind the politics and personalities are people, and once you discount mere skill and populism, the important stuff happens in the mind. This is the root of all things so people should look after it more. Zen can help but there are other useful ways.

      Be still, grasshopper.

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      • 65
        LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

        VOTE FOR BROWN THE TORTURER IN CHIEF
        BROWN IS STRONG, HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON
        VOTE FOR MORE WAR AND TORTURE FROM WAR CRIMINALS LIKE BROWN
        VOTE LABOUR

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  9. 14
    tired and jaded says:

    I used to think the G20 was yet another boring Guardian supplement that nobody wants to read.

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    • 22
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      insert”edition” between, “supplement” and “that” and you’ve just about got it.

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  10. 15
    McGroom says:

    15 year old Matthew Robson recently wrote a report for Morgan Stanley as an intern.

    One of the main finding was that people do not like paying for multi media services.

    Look at how mobile media downloads have poor traffic because no one wants to pay for the content and the vast 3G charges to download it.

    The only way to make premium content pay is to get users to agree to some targeted advertising (sourced from their demographic profile) in return for something they value.

    Someone has to pay.

    If users agree to have their demographic (but not ID info) available to enable targetted advertising to pre-selected interested parties you can make preimum content pay.

    Otherwise no is interested.

    The Times and The Sun are hardly the Financial Times (whose online subscription service is hemorrhaging users).

    Digger should wrap up free access to those with Sky TV and Broadband contracts

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  11. 16
    Eileen Critchley says:

    Digger don’t get it.

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  12. 21
    macaroon says:

    The dirty digger will deserve all that he is able to get in

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  13. 24
    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Guido has got it right. Just look at the business opportunities for bloggers, not a few of whom are more savvy than journo’s.

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  14. 27
    Anonymous says:

    Judging by yesterdays article in The Sun featuring “Ben Dover” it looks like Murdoch is diversifying into porn ! Shud keep Jackies man happy 1

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  15. 29

    At least if he goes pay per view we can choose whether we read his papers’ biased view of the world.

    We all pay for the BBC, whether we want to read its stories or not.

    Here’s a simple and subtle piece of BBC bias, in favour of Gordon Brown, as usual.

    They do something like this every day, on our money.

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    • 33
      Sir William Waad says:

      Oddly, Radio 3 seems to escape the BBC bias. They report things straight, in the old-fashioned way where somebody Reads The News instead of pretending to be a journalist. They gave the story that the report had been suppressed and then HMG’s reply that actually it just wasn’t finished yet.

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      • 41
        nell says:

        When in reality the former MoD Aide that wrote it confirmed it was finished well before recess.

        This government are just out and out liars.

        The only reason it wasn’t ‘finished ‘ in MoD’s eyes is because they are running around like headless chickens trying to work out how to take out the bits of the report that are most damning.

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      • 91
        Funambulist says:

        There is plenty of anti-western sentiment on R3, particularly in the ‘world music’ programmes with their compulsory ‘Third World is superior in every way’ mindset.

        The worst offender was the ranting whining Andy Kershaw who got fired only after being jailed for girlfriend abuse. Half expected him to claim political asylum in his beloved Cuba.

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    • 50

      I can see what you’re pulling, here, but that’s just comment – throwing a rock into the night and hoping you smash a window.

      You missed.

      If anything, Brown and Labour have moved closer to my position. The Tories will too if they have any sense.

      Ho, hum.

      Be still, grasshopper.

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      • 69
        LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

        DAVID CAMERON HAS NO SUBSTANCE
        HE REFUSES TO CONDONE TORTURE
        PUSSY!
        WE GUARANTEE THAT MORE TORTURE WILL HAPPEN
        THEY ARE ONLY ARABS, WHO GIVES A FUCK?
        NOT US
        VOTE WAR
        VOTE LABOUR

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      • 182
        Trevor Brooking says:

        Shock horror – Hardminge you actually responded to someone else.

        Shame it was still a complete load of amstrad.

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  16. 35
    poop-a-scoop says:

    I would prefer to show my arse in a shop window than pay for online news

    How much would you pay to read Michaels Shites ramblings – fook all I think

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  17. 39

    Cameron’s personality type doesn’t naturally lean towards strategic thinking but more towards gossip. This isn’t just a failure of judgement it’s a gross failure of character, and his type tend to make very poor executives. Teh numberz sez so.

    There’s already been rumblings in the Tory party about how the Bullingdon crowd elbowed their way to the top, and a whiff of “grey hairs” telling him what to do behind the scenes. This is less about whether his aspirations to be PM will be fulfilled but whether he’ll have a job after the next election.

    Be still, grasshopper.

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    • 71
      LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

      CAMERON’S A JOKER
      HE IS AGAINST TORTURE – LIGHTWEIGHT
      YOU CAN ONLY TRUST LABOUR TO KEEP WARMONGERING AND TORTURING
      NO ONE ELSE
      ONLY US
      WE TORTURE
      DAVID MILIBAND COVERS IT UP – FUCKING LOVELY!
      VOTE LABOUR
      WE DO TORTURE, NO PROBLEM!

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  18. 40
    Dixie Dean says:

    Murdochs loyalties should never be questioned. Has changed religion, nationality and always employs his kids. Losing Peter Chernin as his no 2 ‘cos he didn’t do nepotism earlier this year could be his biggest mistake. Peter was able to reign in the diggers vulgar excesses, anyone remember the OJ “how I would have done it” debacle! How we will laugh as he falls.
    pl

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  19. 42

    A lot of folks will be jittery about the short-term economic issues but a calmer political climate can help. By being less distracted by this, hopefully, businesses will invest in creating opportunity and neglected communities will be given equal status as stakeholders in UK PLC.

    Stay on mission and we’ll get through this, folks.

    Be still, grasshopper.

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    • 72
      LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

      A LOT OF ARABS GET JITTERY WHEN WE START ABUSING AND TORTURING THEM
      GOOD!
      KILL ARABS
      VOTE LABOUR

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  20. 45
    nell says:

    The New York Times tried hoisting a pay-wall around it’s online columnists only to find that everyone stopped reading them.

    Whilst the NYT abandoned the strategy it did lead directly to the establishment of the Huffington Post, a free website that provides great wide-ranging coverage about American politics.

    Methinks Guido should be thinking about expanding into that.

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  21. 48

    The universe is a thing unto itself. All things exist relative to the Tao. Enlightenement is a personal thing, etcetera.

    It’s really quite simple.

    Be still, grasshopper.

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    • 73
      LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

      WE TORTURE BECAUSE WE MUST DOMINATE
      WE DOMINATE BECAUSE IF WE DON’T WE WILL FACE WAR CRIME CHARGES
      THEREFORE WE CANNOT STOP TORTURING AND OCCUPYING
      DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?
      VOTE LABOUR IF YOU WANT 10 YEARS MORE WAR
      WE WILL DELIVER
      CHECK THE RECORD

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  22. 51
    Anonymous says:

    The micro-payments idea will be bollocks and won’t work.

    If anything will work it will be a ‘code-sharing’ agreement between the Graun and the Times [Don't laugh - Simon Jenkins has managed to straddle that divide..] for an ‘all you can eat’ monthly subscription.

    The Torygraph and Daily Mail will probably stitch up some deal as well.

    Murdoch is not interested in ideology – just viewers and readers. Hence ‘Fox News’ in the States, but the more liberal Times and Sky in the United Kingdom.

    Man cannot live by Guido alone…

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  23. 52
    + + + NEWSFALSE ! ! ! + + + says:

    Great fat lump of Noo-Lie_Bore blubber says I VILL NICHT BE EIN SHRINKY DINKY VIOLET!!

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  24. 54

    Most things are useless until you need them, then people sieze on like a drowning man to a liferaft. There’s some lack of interest in the speech itself and a lot of posturing from vested interests trying to win favour through duplicitous means but that’s just more flim-flam.

    The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.

    Be still, grasshopper.

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    • 64
      McGroom says:

      you are useless

      we don’t need you

      drown

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    • 74
      LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

      WE NEED TO TORTURE THE ARABS AND AFGHANS OR THEY WILL NOT RESPECT US
      TORTURE IS ESSENTIAL TO OUR MISSION
      AND SO ARE DRONE BOMBERS TO BOMB THOSE DIRTY AFGHAN WEDDINGS
      WE PROMISE TO DROP MORE TONNAGE OF BOMBS THAN THE SOFT TORIES
      IF YOU WANT WAR THINGS DONE VOTE LABOUR
      IF YOU WANT PEACE VOTE TORY
      YELLOW BELLIED DOVES
      WE ARE STRONG
      WE ARE LABOUR

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  25. 55
    Anonymous says:

    poop-a-scoop – You thick ill-educated wanker !!

    Would you really give up all online newspaper reading for an extra, say, £ 30 a month ?? You would ?? Well just fuck the fuck off then, because you are the sort of illiterate shite the world can well do without.

    You claim not to value news, but you ‘invest’ an awful lot of time = money reading it – so don’t tell me you would rather have a few extra coppers in your pocket each day than live without it.

    Comment IS free – but real news costs money… and you get what you pay for..

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    • 70
      Yorkist says:

      Are you implying that, if we were to pay more for the BBC licence fee, we would get proper news rather than the propaganda which is fed directly from the bunker?

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      • 147
        Grandma B says:

        Nice to see the second c in licence. I thought that I was the only person left who spelled TV licence that way. Should have called myself Grumpy Grandma.

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    • 158
      Mr Ned says:

      Bullshit, why pay for bullshit propaganda from the mainstream media, when you can get better, more accurate, honest news from the blogosphere for free? If the media had any obligation or duty to inform wig truthful news, then that might be worth paying for, but they do not. They routinely lie in pursuit of brainwashing the public into acquiescing to an “inevitable” outcome of a single global government and a single electronic currency controlled by the world bank with a mass depopulation program.

      Who told the truth in 2002 that Sadd had no WMD? the mainstream media or the blogosphere? Who is telling the truth now about “climate change”? Wattsupwiththat.com has more climate truth on everyday than the whole of the output of the BBC does in a year.

      It’s not just that the media are wrong so often, but that they are willfully misleading the public in the service of a thoroughly evil global elite.

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  26. 60
    Dodgy Djanogly says:

    Didn’t The Independent try and make people pay for some articles. Don’t seem to be doing it now. Who’d want to pay good money to peruse the witterings of the likes of Hari and the other deranged window lickers? Nobody, that’s who.

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  27. 62
    McGroom says:

    O/T

    have a look at http://blogs.news.sky.com/boultonandco/Post:ba53f0c8-d2fb-4ea1-ab96-05ca97c50435

    Gordon Brown is selected as the person most people wanted to see put in stocks and pelted with eggs at the London Dungeon

    I’m going there right now

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    • 102
      Charles Flaccidwidger says:

      Eggs don’t seem to do the job for me. Now bricks, that would be a different matter.

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      • 159
        Mr Ned says:

        Grenades would be
        more efficient, though bricks with razor blades embedded in would be more entertaining. Adding plastic pockets filled with acid that could burst on impact would add a spectacular twist. And it is no less than the bastard deserves after sanctioning White phosferus to be used against civillians.

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  28. 63
    Much Too Much of Charles Shithead says:

    Guido – This is too much!

    Charles the prat has contributed, out of 56 comments, Nos.
    36,37,38,39,42,43,44,46,47,48, 50 & 54.

    Not one of them relevant in any way…

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  29. 67

    I agree with Guido here, it just won’t work. He is giving a year’s notice to give all his rivals a chance to join in as, without them, he will be doomed.

    In addition, there is so much information out there, that people will not be willing to fork out an annual fee. Or even a quarterly fee. And whatever the credit card companies would charge for a monthly, weekly or daily fee will ensure those aren’t worth while.

    And whatever happened to macro-payments? And how would he use it? per article? I don’t think so.

    Go back to the drawing board Murdock – or better still, Orstralia.

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  30. 76
    Space Hopper says:

    I have done a professional psychiateric evaluation for CEH and I conclude he is a horses bell end

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  31. 78
    try again says:

    nuts

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  32. 79
    Alibarbs says:

    Is it just me, or does anyone else find that they’ve now got to the point where the moment they see the name Charles_E_Harδwiδge, the text goes all blurry and doesn’t sort itself out until one reaches the next comment? Not sure whether this is a good thing or not, but I’m erring on the side of yes.

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    • 81
      Smelly Joe The Sewage Worker says:

      The moment I see his name I get the same feeling that I do when I find one of the sewers blocked by used condoms, congealed fat, and crusty, compacted poo.

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  33. 80
    Bardirect says:

    At least somethings going right

    Gordon Brown continues his 100% record of identifying real talent – and then rejecting it – by appointing Sion Simon as the new Digital Britain Tzar.

    http://timesonline.typepad.com/politics/2009/08/this-man-is-now-in-charge-of-digital-britain.html.

    Ha ha ha ……..

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    • 104
      Lord Amstrad says:

      schmuck!

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    • 114
      Bottle-fed Triplet says:

      Czar or Tsar. Vot is Tzar, tovarich?

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    • 161
      Mr Ned says:

      Sion Simon? That retarded chicken’s arse? What an unmitigated disaster that will be. The guy is the most arrogant, obnoxious, undertalented fuckwit ever to grace westminster and considering the competition, that is quite a boast.

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    • 191
      Just a grumpy twat says:

      When I first became aware of Sion Simon, I actually thought he was a comedian, not a very good comedian but a comedian none the less

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  34. 82
    Ratsniffer says:

    Oh look, the cucking funt is still here. What a surprise.

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  35. 83
    LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

    WAR IS GOOD
    TORTURE IS GOOD
    LABOUR DO WAR AND TORTURE
    THEREFORE LABOUR IS GOOD
    BE GOOD
    VOTE LABOUR

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  36. 84
    jgm2 says:

    OT

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8187360.stm

    ‘UK recession “appears to have been deeper than previously thought”

    No fucking shit.

    What a fucking surprise. Not content with printing 125bn quid the BoE has decided to print another 50bn quid. That’s what happens once you start printing money.

    Printing money is financial heroin. You just can’t kick the habit.

    That’s why properly run countries don’t do it. And utterly fucked ones leave themselves no choice. Although there is always a better choice than printing money. Not printing money for example.

    This is the greatest financial outrage of our time. No wonder Brown is delighted to ‘only’ have Jacqui Smiths porn bill on the front page.

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    • 97
      bergen says:

      I agree but we’re so drowning in the debt McTwat has saddled us with,that there may be little alternative.I hope he rots in Hell.

      Like

    • 107
      Goldmine Sacks says:

      fucking excellent.

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    • 162
      Mr Ned says:

      Absolutely, after the BBC has been doing it’s best to talk up the economy over the past couple of weeks. The fact is, the economy has been shafted by extreme fuckwittery and traitorous scum in new labour. Considering how many billions have been invented and given to the banking sector it would take extreme levels of incompetence for any bank to lose money. So what happened? The banks that did not take direct government bail-outs took advantage of the extra “invented” liquidity and invested that new money in overseas markets. Whereas the newlabour run banks lost billions and set about kicking “hard working families” out on the streets in massive numbers.

      The debt destroyed economy has not ben fixed. Brown has tried to plaster over the extent of his debt-created destruction with masses more debt!

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  37. 85
    nell says:

    I’m sorry to say this charlie but you’re more bring than the Shipping Forecast.

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    • 113
      Bottle-fed Triplet says:

      No Nell, I do not find the shipping forecast boring, but if I did I would do something else until it was over. That is why I do not even bother to read CEH’s comments anymore.

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    • 122
      Amy Grant says:

      Ever listened to Heligoland by Overseer? The shipping forecast is certainly not boring in that.

      Like

  38. 86
    LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

    WE WILL NOT CUT AND RUN
    WE WILL FIGHT UNTIL ALL ARABS AND AFGHANS HAVE BEEN EXTERMINATED
    WE WILL FIGHT UNTIL OUR LAST SOLDIER HAS BEEN BLOWN UP
    VOTE LABOUR
    WE WILL WIN

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  39. 87

    The problem with people like Murdoch is that they have a very limited range of business plans. All of which are dated.

    The weird thing is he knew enough to break the power of the print unions, hut when faced with a different, new set of problems it’s back to the old, old ideas of yesteryear.

    What’s he going to do next? Have Brown organise beer and sandwich meetings with the unions at Number 10, like good old Harold did?

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  40. 88
    Ratsniffer says:

    As a business model, charging for sites when other similar sites remain free is deeply flawed. Rupert is usually a shrewd old bugger, but he’s wrong on this one and he needs to sack a few of his “advisors”.

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  41. 89
    try again says:

    Hardwiddge must be postig from a prison cell

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  42. 90
    Ratsniffer says:

    Have a look at this article by Martin Sixpack to see just how low our civil service has sunk since Nulab took over. It’s highly revealing…and depressing…

    http://tinyurl.com/kteyev

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    • 124
      Sir William Waad says:

      You even get this in the Revenue’s press releases relating to tax, which are only read by people like my accountant. Once, these releases just gave her the technical details of precisely how we were going to pay a lot more money to the tax-eaters. Then they suddenly blossomed into headlines like “Towards a Fairer Society” or “Modernising the Credits System” or even “Easing the Burdens of Industry” (easing the burden of having any cash). She has to wade through paragraphs of spin before the small print gives her actual information, often completely contradicting all the mendacious blather.

      As I always say – New Labour, if they swallowed a nail, they’d shit a corkscrew.

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    • 141
      Oink says:

      I’m sure many here could provide examples of poor service, falsehoods and outright moronic behaviour by civil servants. It seems that we, the populace, are merely ‘customers’ of their service now. We are no longer civilians of the UK, merely customers in receipt of their efforts, for our good. The relationship has been changed over years of menadacity particularly by new labour – part of the so called professionalising process and justified as such.

      Unfortunately, the service is crap and we, the populace, suffer as a result. Part of the whole ‘dumbing down’ by government in order to retain and maintain control. Alternatively known as fascism.

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      • 163
        Mr Ned says:

        Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I disagree with the label ‘customer’. After all, if we were customers, we would have more say and we would be listened to. As it is they treat us more like servants or stupid children. The real problem is the fact that far top many people behave like servants or stupid children.

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  43. 93
    LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

    WE WERE UNDER A 45 MINUTE THREAT OF ATTACK
    THAT WAS WHY WE HAD TO MURDER A MILLION IRAQIS
    WHY DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU STUPID PEOPLE?
    WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT YOU
    PROTECTION THROUGH WAR AND OCCUPATION AND TORTURE
    WE WILL SAVE YOU FROM THE DIRTY ARABS
    VOTE FOR TORTURE
    VOTE FOR LABOUR
    WE ARE YOUR ONLY HOPE

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  44. 95
    LABOUR PARTY STATEMENT says:

    WE THINK IRAN IS DEVELOPING WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
    THEREFORE WE MUST KILL ALL IRANIANS
    IT IS THE ONLY WAY
    WE HAVE ONLY GOT 45 MINUTES
    WE MUST START KILLING THE IRANIANS IMMEDIATLEY!
    THERE IS NO OTHER WAY
    VOTE FOR CARPET BOMBING IRAN
    VOTE LABOUR
    CHECK OUR RECORD MOFO

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  45. 96
    Anonymous says:

    guido, can you tell me this guys ip address please.

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  46. 99
    Centre Parting says:

    We already have to pay for the BBC website news.

    Its pretty poorly set out, hours behind the times and they are even asking readers to send in the news, pictures etc. to save them exercising their institutionally socialist arses.

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  47. 100
    Do it now .. says:

    Mr H – you are a Hunt – really – you are so bad

    Go away and do something productive to assist your beliefs and dreams

    Reaally – you do fuck me off Charles !!

    What’s it like to be hated so much by so many – it ain’t natural

    You need to seek psychiatric help

    See one now

    Call one now

    Really – it may help you before it’s too late

    Call now you twat

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    • 103
      Hoontryman says:

      I.m sure he’s not as bad as he appears – how could he be?

      You are right – he needs help – not even GB is as big a tosser – and that’s saying something

      Perhaps – that’s it!!

      Tosser Charles is on this Earth to make Brown look good

      And you have to be really bad to do that!

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  48. 101
    Gordon Brown says:

    ‘Rupert will lose a lot of eyeballs’

    has the fucker got two?

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  49. 106

    Dear All

    Charge for online news, who wants to pay for that?

    I think that Murdoch has the wrong end of the stick.

    He should use online as a showcase of why you should buy his publications.

    Even if he gets others to go along with thgis donkey, people will find other free sources like my world famous blog, The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University.

    I even have songs on it so people can have easy listening while reading my dittos and witterings.

    As a blogger Tuscany Tony said; “it is surprising good”.

    Also if you comment on my Glasgow University stories you will get a possible free bonus.

    Me getting a writ by them via their lawyers.

    Help a guy get to court by posting on those stories.

    Yours sincerely

    George Laird
    The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

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    • 123
      Chris Gilmore says:

      Look who has sneaked in with the humans – George Lewd, the camp “pain”.

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      • 144

        Dear Troll

        “Look who has sneaked in with the humans – George Lewd, the camp “pain”.”

        Tick tock tick tock tick tock, not many left now :)

        Yours sincerely

        George Laird
        The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow

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  50. 115
    News of World subscription service says:

    man landed on the moon

    11.9.01 was done by a man in a cave

    Global Warming is true.

    end of news.

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  51. 116
    Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

    Jacqui,
    I know you have lots of spare time now that your 82 day holiday has started
    so I don’t feel too bad about troubling you with something I hope you have
    the answer to.
    Basically it is this “Does your Richard get a HARD on when watching SOFT porn?”
    It seems to me that there is some confusion about HARD/SOFT porn.
    Thank you Jacqui.
    Ps. Good luck with the reselection and return to the Cabinet(Heeeeheee)

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  52. 117
    Charles says:

    Miss, Miss! That horrible boy thick as thieves is bullying me and beating me up miss!
    Boo hoo hoo! Please make him stop miss, he is making me cry!

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  53. 118
    An Pensioner says:

    The purpose of newspapers was once to sell news, but not anymore.

    Proprietors like Murdoch changed the business into selling audience to advertisers. Murdoch should remember this. A more logical business model for him would be to pay readers to read, rather than charge them.

    So I think the Murdoch model is flawed, unless he intends to revert to the traditional role of newspapers, which I doubt.

    However, it would be an interesting – and very revealing – experiment to see who would pay for what. I suspect very little. It would be interesting, as a proxy, to see some article stats from the Times.

    If Murdoch’s experiment goes ahead then the few journos that people might be prepared to pay for would soon migrate to their own blogs rather than work for Murdoch.

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  54. 121
    Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

    Charles, you know I am a fan of yours and avidly read all of your posts like so many others.
    Can you please do me one small favour,check the Grasshopper to see if it is still alive ‘cos you have probably bored the poor bastard thing to death.
    You can then stop saying “Be still Grasshopper” ‘cos it don’t move anyway.
    Thanx Charles.

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  55. 126
    Sir William Waad says:

    Have your brain surgery on BUPA – £100 for the operation, £40,000 for the search fee.

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    • 128
      Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

      Nice one Waady. Waad about an encore.

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      • 139
        Sir Willaim Waad says:

        Charlie boy doesn’t read any of these posts, so I don’t think it matters whether we react to him. I would just like to point out, though, that (a) a tendency to write ‘word salad’ (b) disorganised and unusual thinking (c) delusions (d) an obsession with repeating particular words and phrases (e) the apparent control of one’s thoughts by an outside agency (in this case Lord Mandelson) and (f) a tendency to talk to grasshoppers are all symptoms of schizophrenia.

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  56. 127
    Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

    Charles, the Grasshopper will always be still ‘cos it’s FUCKING DEAD.

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  57. 129
    Doctor Mick says:

    Has anyone else noticed that since George Brown went on holiday the pound has gotten stronger, the footsie has risen and some banks are actually making profits again?

    Now, this didn’t start in America.

    Or maybe the markets are starting to wake up to the fact that there will be a Conservative government again in 10 months time?

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  58. 130
    Gnome says:

    Do not feed this troll

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  59. 131
    Lydia Dustbin says:

    If Murdoch thinks subscription charges will work, he’s deluded.

    Keep the online stuff free and, importantly, improve the delivery and presentation. This will crank up the web-based “circulation” thus attracting more revenue from advertisers and sponsors, which in turn will allow cheaper rates for aforesaid clients.

    P.S. Make SkyPlayer much cheaper for non-Sky users and you’ll make a killing, Mr. Murdoch

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  60. 132
    The Gamer says:

    This is why this so called game designer hasn’t produced a decent game worth a wank, ever. He’s spending his energy getting his name spread throughout the internet.

    Personally I think he is a fraud. Nobody in the community has ever seen any of his work. We’ve heard him talk about it, sure, but never seen a thing (not this side of “Space Invaders”)

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  61. 133
    PC Plod says:

    ‘Ello ‘Ello ‘ Ello (notice the apostrophes)

    what’s all this then?

    looks like these labour trolls could do wiv a little kettlin’ here

    ‘specially as it’s gonna be banned but not banned, if you know what I mean???

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  62. 134
    Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

    Plod,

    If you was a Muslim Police Officer would you say Halal,Halal,Halal?

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  63. 138
    PC Mufti says:

    Al ham da gorillaz

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  64. 140
    Marlon Brand-X says:

    I love the taste of newsprint on my chips in the morning.

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  65. 142
    Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

    Charles,
    You hadn’t posted for 12 minutes I thought you was dead.Thank goodness you
    are OK and I trust the grasshopper too.
    Can you riddle this for me please. Lord Horatio Nelson had one eye and gave the world “Half-Nelson”.
    Lord Gordon Brown has one eye so what the fuck is a “Half-Brown?”

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    • 145
      Trough Mixture says:

      I think it happens when you’re not getting enough iron. Maybe McBride spills everybody’s Guinness.

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  66. 143

    Good one Guido and well said Sir…..We are also covering this and would personally relish the idea of all that traffic.

    Lets hope the greedy shit does it and all the papers follow.

    http://www.economicvoice.com/blorumpost.php?blorum=1&post=1557

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  67. 148
    Jolly Swagman says:

    Get ya bloody hands in ya tucker bags ya drongoes. I’m giving away a picture bio on me with the first issues. I’m a happy bahstard – like an acerbic WH Auden.

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  68. 152
    The Sleeper says:

    I believe that the concept of chargeable news is fundamentally flawed. Newspapers do not make their money from the sale of a newspaper,but from the advertising revenues they generate.
    The higher the circulation..the higher the advertising rates.

    Taking Murdochs own example..when Sky was launched,advertising costs were at a minimum..because there were few subscribers.As the numbers rose so too did advertising costs…this keeps the cost of subscription down to an acceptable level.
    The same goes for newspapers.
    However,with online news,the ‘subscriber’ can ,and indeed does,easily avoid the visual impact of adverts,so advertising is less effective.
    If ads were not in newspapers,what would the purchase price be?…£2.00..more?

    This will not happen.

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  69. 154
    Anonymous says:

    No one is going to pay for online news bollocks / lies its free on BBC or here.
    Kiss my ass Murdoch you jockey.

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  70. 155

    I have a friend who writes a weekly column for the Times, £ 500 for a few hundred words is the rate as I understand it.

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  71. 157
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Will your Seen Elsewhere links point to Murdoch news sights then? Trevor Kavanagh could occasionally be interesting. Or will you have a sub and quote from them?

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  72. 164
    Anonymous says:

    Guy old chap, where did you did you dig that photo of Rupert Murdoch, it must be about 40+ years old, is that the image he likes to portray of himself, and those hands on hips.

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  73. 165
    Tarquin says:

    I suppose one good thing would be that journalists and commentators would be rated on their popularity rather than just being in with the bosses

    But still, a dreadful business move – Murdoch’s brain is clearly nearing retirement

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  74. 166
    Anonymous says:

    The incoming government has a score to settle with the BBC. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was privatised, or pared right back in revenge for the endless propaganda.

    I have most of the national newspapers in the UK bookmarked, as well as a handful of European ones. If I was asked to pay I don’t know how much I’d be willing to part with. The Times articles which interest me are fairly few. The only columnist I regularly read is Matthew Parris, and now and again Clarkson. So I am not willing to pay significant money to read so little content.

    Of the BBC, I would only willingly pay for Radio 4. Even then I object to the political bias in so much of the programming. I’d hope a privatised subscribed service would realise there ain’t no votes in political correctness.

    Vast swathes of the country don’t care about news. They are interested in football, and in the latest bimbo with her tits out. The biggest blogs are read by under 2% of the population.

    Mr Murdoch is right to wonder aloud how to pay for all this stuff, but perhaps the subscribed method awaits a new technological solution. Before people paid for sky they needed satellite dishes. Before people pay for newspapers perhaps a cheap kindle like device needs to be widely available. Its only a minority of people who take a computer on the bus.

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    • 168
      The Underdoug says:

      A recent BBC programme fronted by Janet Street-Porter on the future of newspapers featured an interview with Rupert Murdoch where he was enthusing about the Kindle and, particularly, its wireless link for content download. Perhaps he thinks that, like for sports coverage in the UK, he can near-monopolise news coverage – even to the point of being sole ‘manufacturer’ (and with the remote revocation/redaction feature in Kindle – Orwell’s 1984, anyone – it’s even more attractive).

      As for the BBC, after years of distressing my housebound disabled father with endless repeats of bloody Bargain Hunt, Fliggety FlogIt!, Crash in the Attic, Escape to the Huntry and all other cheap daytime tv filler which is so bad it can’t even make it onto Dave, it deserves oblivion. Goodbye and good riddance. I used to think that Rupert Murdoch’s interests could never align with my own, but after directly torturing and being complicit in the indirect torture of my father for the last 10 years like that, I can’t bloody wait.

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    • 169
      The Underdoug says:

      Not having had reason enough to spout venom recently, I was unaware of the cöntent filter that changes cünt to hoon.

      The previous comment should have read Bargain Cünt, Escape to the Cüntry. but in each case twät would do.

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    • 190
      OwlHoot says:

      @166 “but perhaps the subscribed method awaits a new technological solution”

      One obvious solution would be for readers to pay credit into a PayPal-like account, and for each article request the provider would, with the reader’s approval, extract a “micropayment” of say 1p from this account. (A reader could use the same account for multiple news & blog providers.) It wouldn’t be hard to make the system secure with suitable encryption and cookies etc.

      If the providers sent the company managing the accounts keyword summaries of each article requested, the company could accumulate detailed information on their customers interests, and might forgo taking payment if the reader clicked on targetted ads.

      Straying back on topic, McShane is a prize hoon.

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  75. 170
    The Underdoug says:

    I just realised that in:

    “I used to think that Rupert Murdoch’s interests could never align with my own, but after directly torturing and being complicit in the indirect torture of my father for the last 10 years like that, I can’t bloody wait.”

    could be construed as me being complicit – I meant the BBC. I can’t bloody wait to erect a tombstone and place the BBC (metaphorically speaking) under it.

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  76. 172
    Princess PolyTwaddle, talking down at people from her ivory tower,, says:

    But people will willingly pay to read the bilge i write. they are prog . . . progrmd . . . told to.

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  77. 173
    Cream Puff says:

    I head this on this mornings Today prog and nearly p*ssed myself laughing!
    The dirty digger charging people to read his rags online, what a laugh!
    I do current puruse the online verion of the Times and Sunday Times to see what turged stories are written, especially by a certain Scottish Political Corresponent.
    Guess hwen it comes to it I can do with out as I will certainly not be paying for the privlage.It aint worth it!

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  78. 174
    sans culottes says:

    Brilliant stuff from the cricinfo who have just received a message from Gordon Brown:

    “I think hard-working families up and down the country will be proud and will recognise how the England cricketers have fought through the difficult morning session and emerged into the far brighter afternoon session their hard work so richly deserves. After all, England lost seven wickets this morning, and predictions suggest they cannot possibly lose more than three this afternoon, so recovery is obviously just around the corner

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  79. 175
    whodunnit says:

    i would buy it, as long as they leave out the sport sections and celebrity crap.

    But turning the general tone on its head. One could argue that sites like this live off newspapers. Television certainly relies on newspapers to get the stories – hell, what would BBC News be like if they had to wait until someone faxed them a press release [ignoring those receipts from Number 10 Downing Street]. If you want news in this country, then read a newspaper, but if you want a press release or merely believe that a news programme is based on constantly repeated football scores, watch television.

    One could also argue that advertising on a free site is a waste of time – mainly due to the nature of the site being free you won;t notice the advert. How many of you people read the adverts on this site? Whereas if ou paid for it, like a magazine, you probably would look at them and the adverts would certainly be of a quality that makes them worth viewing. Hell, if it is assumed that a paid site will lose advertising revenue, why does TV charge a premium when people spend more time on YouTube!

    Keep your mind open people, the internet will change and probably for the better.

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  80. 177
    Anonymous says:

    Dear Dame Guido; I think there is a typo in your headline. Shouldn’t it read “fucks the market”?

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  81. 193
    Death awaits says:

    Thank goodness for death – it’s a great leveller and at least we won’t have this greedy and foul Aussie bastard for ever.

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