Swine Flu Update
The government says the UK has moved from the ‘containment’ to the ‘treatment’ phase of Swine flu as the number of people catching swine flu continues to rise. The Fawkes family are in London for another fortnight, before we head for France. 4 year-old Miss Fawkes is in day two of displaying possible Swine flu symptoms: high temperatures, tummy ache, headaches and a dry cough.
Last night a worried mother took Miss Fawkes (who had a temperature of 39.1 C / 102.3 F) to the paediatric A & E unit of a London hospital where she was given a mask and told to go instead to a walk-in unit. The walk-in unit told her there was a four hour wait and that she might as well go home and see her GP. This morning the GP’s receptionist said that they could not have a suspected case of Swine flu in the waiting room and she was to go home.
So in the last 48 hours we have been unable either to get our daughter tested, which is causing anxiety, or obtain a prescription for anti-viral drugs. Bear in mind we have a two year-old daughter as well. We are now trying to get a private prescription…
good luck guido have a guiness from me
Very sorry to hear about your daughter and the bad medical experiences the Fawkes family suffered.
Hope she’s okay soon.
Wishing you all good things.
I flatter myself that I agree with this distinguished Chartered Accountant
Best Wishes for the Magicke Miss Fawkes & her Heroic Mother
O B T W
Does anyone in the Health Service run any risk of losing their Jobs for this lamentable failure to provide elementary care ???
Pity that guido didn’t take the advice that is being issued constantly about STAYING AT HOME and ringing NHS Direct or GP instead of hawking infected child around public buildings!
Spot on! Don’t bring sick people to NuLabor’s shiny NHS thank you very much.
I had a very similar experience (not with swine flu) recently with the NHS, eventually I diagnosed the youngster via google and various other websites, checked with a mate who is a pharmacist and bobs your uncle. The NHS could/would not see him in four days of trying.
The thing is you first need to make sure its only swine flu and not anything else life threatening. Wow it’s almost like the advice is bad or some thing; but least we’ve got this labour government to us sound advice.
I would suggest that you don’t mention that you suspect that it is swine flu, simply turn up at the GP and say that she feel unwell. If you don’t mention what you suspect it is then they can’t justify turning you away.
If you have trouble getting seen bring up the Prime Mentalist’s promise on entitlement as even if you don’t get any joy it will piss off the person who was unhelpful.
Meanwhile Gordon Brown is touring hospitals saying what a great job he is doing. Bastard.
Good to see The hospital he visited in Manchester has decided not to let him out.
Good luck with your daughter, I hope she is OK.
If you have any trouble getting seen straight away just get on the mobile and ring up The Sun’s newsdesk saying you have a story for them. ‘Sick Child Turned Away From NHS Hospital’ not the sort of headline NHS managers want to see
It’s The Sun wat won it :-)
Dr Feelbad,
Pray Sir, you may as well:when did you last phone up NHS Direct?
Half these people don’t understand English “accents” ,so it’s impossible to communicate ones problems.Just like BT Call Centre’s in India.So I wish you well,especially if you have to phone NHS Direct.I know…and suffered for it,just don’t be ill…
Hope your daughter improves rapidly and gets over it soon, Guido.
Politics is all nonsense when compared to family!
(1) Hope little Miss Fawkes cools down soon….
(2) the buggers __want__ suspected cases to be out and about – otherwise? How can they fulfil their pandemic predictions?
Bugger them, for a start.
I too hope that Miss Fawkes will soon be better. What a terrifying experience for her parents, finding the “universal health care” system not interested. I think that those commenting here that the family should have stayed at home and relied on NHS Direct have no idea how frightening it is when it is your child who is ill. Parents should always trust their instinct about whether or not their child is seriously ill.
If you were that concerned why didn’t you wait? Four hours is the absolute maximum you would have had to wait and you wouldn’t need to be complaining now
4 hours in a surgery with a poorly child!!!
hjave you EVER had to do that??
You thick, stupid, inbred, tramps cock (shit stained variety) sucking, sperm garglling spunk bubble!
You dont like him then, Hugh?
Hoots man, I dinnae understand most of this Cornswoogle
- but dinnae fash yoursel’ – it’s probably the Vocabulary most limited after being educated under the National Curriculum
Yes I have, and I am doctor too. You twat.
This kind of childish comment is getting tedious.
You* have had any experience with the NHS recently? My four year old son was knocked unconscious at friendfs in Surrey recently. The ambulence drive was 40 mins to nearest hospital as Ton had closed all the local ones down. We sat in A&E for FIVE HOURS before he was seen. Will you* please FUCK OFF
In January I had a myocardial infarction, within an hour I was in a theatre with a tube up my arm and pieces of metal in the left anterior coronary artery.
If i’d had this under the hell witch thatcher I’d be dead
Please God never let the tories near the NHS again
You are fore sure winding us all up. You can’t mean it: you really can’t.
Hope you get your kiddie sorted out OK & soon Mr F – it’s so worrying when they’re little & fall sick. Once sorted, I do hope there are going to be official complaints all round? What you report sounds like disgusting negligence.
Best wishes to little Miss Fawkes. Oddly enough I blogged about this very subject yesterday. One of the commenters thought he’d had it and likened it to a very heavy cold.
So, here’s hoping.
Sorry to see Guido’s daughter appears to have been subject to the usual public sector negligent buck passing. I bet all three organisations can proudly claim a tick in the right box towards some NuLiebore target or other. And they’re telling people to avoid buying Tamiflu off the Internet!
Well, they do want an epidemic, don’t they?
Erm sorry Guido but your wrong on this one, your meant to stay at home and phone the NHS not go there in person. If your daughter does have SF you have just helped infect half of London.
As for the NHS bandying you about while its frustrating bear in mind every single over protective mother in the entire country is currently screaming blue murder in the wards because her baby clearly has swine flu and there is no such thing as normal illness anymore.
Dont take Tamiflu if you dont need it as it only makes things worse, we are already seeing tamiflu resistant strains in Hong Kong due to stupid people using the stuff too much…
Good Luck tho hope all is well, as for offers of Tamiflu you simply cannot get this privately so if offered it tell the person to knob off, its knock off and whatever it is may harm you more than the flu!
The Govt CMO and the WHO are a collective disgrace together with the dead wood press and others.
Swine Flu apart from the name is a poor relative of the 1917 flu and others such as Hong Kong. The symptoms in well fed citizens of the western world are minimal, and so far have caused death ONLY in the weak with already damaged bodies from other disease processes.
Bandying words about like Pandemic, which only means more infection than expected in more than one country and has nothing to do with numbers, is a means to frighten the population whichZanuLab and the CMO have done very well.
We lose about 8 people a day on the road plus many more injured. So far only two in the UK and the Mexican figures have been adjusted sharply downwards.
ZanuLab health propaganda is exactly that. If this virus was at all malevolent then there would be bodies in the streets and no Tamiflu or any other type of medicine would fix it. So whats the panic about…who is driving this and to what end?
I am sorry that your family got the bums rush, but thats what the NHS is about these days as it is no longer a gift economy but a political football catering to the needs of the loudest political noise of the day..targets, initiatives, MRSA.
Follow the symptomatic treatment for flu in the Home Doctors Manual and then when better, send a sputum sample direct to McDoom.
Take care, have a nice week end and DONT worry about what might be, but enjoy what is!
My daughter, who is studying ‘vitenery’ at uni, tells me the current flu is nothing to do with pigs, it’s just that the the Mexicans don’t want it being called ‘Mexican flu’.
That’s thanks to those swine in Government (apologies to pigs)
Fingers crossed for you and your family, mate. I am sure everything will be fine.
Very sorry to hear about your little girl.
May I suggest a couple of things which have always helped
with my lot and with me?
English honey, has excellent healing properties.
Paracetamol for her high temperature. Cranberry juice, warmed.
Lots of cuddles & attention.
Old fashioned, but they all help.
Forgot one other thing. Live yogurt to help keep the bacteria in the gut going when on antibiotics. Leave a couple of hours after talking meds., before having yoghurt.
Works with me and mine.
No point using antibiotics with a viral infection. Honey won’t help against ‘flu, but it won’t do any harm either. Go easy on the paracetamol with a small child and consult a pharmacist if you have any doubts. You’ll probably find the liquid formulations are the easiest to use.
no it doesnt.
Standard intestinal bacteria would make your yohurt smell and taste like shite. very literally.
You are clearly mistaken. Gordon says you have an entitlement!
You have received medical treatment, and it was 0% effective.
That must be a zero percent increase then.. Not bad ,eh
Is that the same as a negative increase ?
0% increase in Hospital waiting stats as well
No, in Zanulabour’s utopian paradise, zero is always positive
Dear Guido, Put not your faith in Tamiflu because resistance is already emerging and will become widespread fairly shortly. I can recommend Wellmune, an interesting yeast extract that primes the innate immune CR3 receptor, and has been shown to protect against flu in two animal models. As one of those is the pig we can be confident that it will work for Damian McBride, and possibly for your good self also.
I presume that will work for all MP’s then. But what about the rest of us?
My word.
Do you really believe all that crap? “wellmune” … its even got a name that shouts woo.
Woo. Isn’t that a word made up by pharmaceutical industry stooge ColHoon?
Dunno. On either point.
“Pharmaceutical stooge” uh-oh. Sorry Guido. I shall stop breaking the guidlines now.
100,000 CASES PER DAY PROJECTED
The warning from British Health Secretary Andy Burnham came as the Japanese health ministry said doctors had detected the second case worldwide of a patient resistant to the anti-viral Tamiflu, widely used to treat the illness.
Burnham told parliament that 100,000 cases a day could occur in Britain by the end of August if the current infection rate is maintained.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hyx95the21tL_JjLjm1gJ_nthNBg
These projections came from the same government IT fuckwits with shite computer software who predicted an AIDS epidemic, half the country dying from CJD, a SARS epidemic, a Bird flu epidemic, that Foot & mouth would not spread any further, that world temperatures would 3 degrees higher than they are today, St Paul’s would be under 20 feet of water and that we would up to our arse in seawater, displaced penguins and drowned polar bears.
You can see who Darling and Brown get to do their budget predictions.
Any computer does exactly what it is told – unquestionly. It cannot figure out if the basic premise of what it is told to do is right or wrong. It is therefore pig-shit ignorant and biddable, much like a Nulabour MP in fact.
garbage in garbage out
Since the Met office can’t tell us what the weather will be next week with any precision, why should anyone believe the predictions for global warming 20 years from now.
Why doesn’t that surprise me?
Hope she gets better soon.
Hope she is ok.
Just to be sure, take her to a private doc.
Nationalised health care is a joke, they’ll probably misdiagnose and you’ll end up with her leg in plaster or something like that.
Poor wee thing. Bring her to the House of Commons for the day.
I wouldnt bother ringing NHS Direct either.
Not to worry, Labour have got eveything under control.
NHS Direct can be pretty good, in my experience. Beats sitting in A&E for hours.
I had a potentially nasty eye problem a while ago. Called NHS Direct – the nurse answering the call got a doctor’s advice immediately and within 30 minutes I was seen by a doctor at my local surgery (outside normal hours), all organised and run like clockwork.
They have also been good with the little ‘uns. Mrs Groucho and I have called NHS Direct on several occasions when concerned about one of the kids (in retrospect, nothing serious at all, but no harm in being over cautious) and our calls were handled in a reassuring and professional way.
And no, I don’t work for the NHS.
The NHS has always been pretty good thanks to the people who work there. Labour politicians would have us believe it is thanks to them. WHen something goes wrong then don’t blame us it was Thatcher’s fault for removing free school milk.
As JFK said (and he was thinking of Labour at the time) “Success has a thousand fathers; failure is an orphan.”
My experience of NHS direct is somewhat different. My mother was suddenly struck with a mysterious and debilitating illness. NHS Direct did put me through to a doctor who heard the symtoms and said that it should be treated as urgent and that the oncall doctor would be in attendance.
Twelve hours later and after numerous desperate phone calls (and having been told that the doctor who was assigned had ended his oncall shift, hence the delay) the doctor finally turned up.
POSTSCRIPT: I recently worked on contract for a well-known NHS Trust. What an eye-opener!! Hard working staff failing because of inefficient and stupid managers. Even their IT workers failed to shift their backsides from their chairs when all the screens in A&E went blank. Someone elses problem, innit?
As the largest employer in Europe (more than the Russian Army) there’s bound to be the full spectrum.
I heard today that, in Oxford, nurses have just been asked to work for a month for no money. Just as the swine flu outbreak is really getting going.
Would MPs work for a month for no money?
Guido I’m sorry to hear that. Surely DoH should have a treatment plan in place if it’s not going to treat people in A&E / GP surgeries?
Er, they have, lame brain.
truth hurts, shithead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_window_syndrome
Shame Guido can’t rope in some sane commenters to police and delete the crap. Puts off intelligent posters from commentating at all, and leaves Guido with a pile of smelly stuff to wade through for any brass.
Trouble is, CW, we don’t all agree who is sane and who is not. La Toynbee and Toenails Robinson have rightly taken a lot of crap for modding people they disagree with – Decents think anyone who doesn’t share their assumptions is either insane, stupid or most probably evil.
Welcome to the NHS!!
We have a disabled child and regularly have to seek private tests and treatment for her because the NHS Paediatric Unit in our area is hopeless and uncaring.
12 years of this Labour Government has done nothing to improve standards here – our unit is staffed by ever-changing Locums because no-one wants to work there long term, and overall they are top heavy with highly paid managers and administrators.
Anyway I hope all goes with your daughter.
That is the problem – top heavy box checking elf and saferty and cultural diversity in the workplace managers and fuck all for the front line staff. My missus quit the NHS as she just could not stand all the managerial bullshit anymore. Client facing delivering excellence in the trust meeting anyone, while taking Drs away from caring to listen to a load of perma-tanned Blair clones talking bullshit. That is what Nu Labour have done to the system – spin, box ticking, target driven shite – perfect Nu Labour then!
come off it mate. don’t remember the fucking quacks turning down their new contracts, to become the highest paid GPs in Europe and the 9-5 hours that went with them. Nor the untouchable, wank hospital consulants submitting themselves to normal business practices, like clocking on and forgoing private practice. Stop this shit about managers versus caring quacks and jumped-up skivies. They’ve all milked the system and overall care is far worse than 30 years ago yet the ’spend per patient’ has jumped tenfold.
Time to claim your dole, loser.
When I was young (mid ’50s to ’60s) we had the same GP who we would alwayssee apart from a couple of weeks when he was on holiday. If we were too ill to get to the surgery he’d visit after his surgeries had finished, and when I had pneumonia visited every day at 5:00 pm for a few days.
He knew every aspect of our family’s health record so there was none of that spending half the appointment explaining to a stranger GP what’s led up to the present health problem. If they could provide that service then, without computers and huge practice support staff (his practice had one secretary who handled the reception and all the paper work for 4 doctors — last time I visited my HC there were more ancillary staff than doctors!) why can’t they provide that service now?
I don’t even remember waiting lists or having to wait in A&E for hours — you fell off your bike and were seen straight away.
Shipman, if you work in the NHS and know first hand what’s going on fine. If not, fuck off and take some of the meds you prescribed to your patients. Hoon.
Too many over-paid chiefs and not enough Indians. The NHS has never been perfect, but it is a lot worse now. I wonder how quickly one of the gorgon’s boys would be to be checked out?! The hierarchy as usual have been over-paid so that they fall in, and keep their mouths shut.
I’ve never had dealings with the NHS until recently but now my wife is pregnant I’ve had some contact. You’re dead right about the managers and admins. The NHS itself is fantastic, with really hard working and highly skilled nurses and doctors but they never seem to be able to just get on with their job because there’s some bloody manager sitting in their way.
Yes, there are a million of the little bleeders sucking the life out of the NHS and the taxes out of us:
http://www.ic.nhs.uk/webfiles/publications/nhsstaff2008/nonmed/Non%20Medical%20Bulletin%2008%20print%20edition.pdf
Taxes are rarely for the benefit of the taxed.
Yes and if you actually read that publication you would see that nurses are non medical staff, the lab staff who find out what you’ve got are non medical, the physio who gets you back on your feet are non medical, the tehnican who administers your radio therapy is non edical
EVERYONE WHO ISN’T A DOCTOR IS NON MEDICAL
Try to run the NHS without nonmedical staff and see what you get
Now go away HOON
Thats your typical selfish society of today…’Don’t infect me!!!’
Buy it off the net.
Wouldn’t advise it, quality controls are poor to non-existent. Last batch we analysed contained rat poison. But as I said above, why bother with Tamiflu anyway? It’s a busted flush, senior political personnel in the DoH admit they only stockpile the stuff so they can tell the survivors ‘We did something.’
seems to be the most sensible post yet. Data on Tamiflu not very convincing but who needs scientific scrutiny when Big Pharma can benefit(do they have lobbyists?) and and twats at DOH care only about covering their arses. The low fatality rate with swine flu jumps out whenever I receive my three times weekly DOH update. Would hate to trivialise such an illness because there will be some deaths, but is currently running at significantly less than the death rate for seasonal flu. Maybe WHO wants to justify its funding and boy don’t the media like to write crap, MMR anybody?
I remember loads of private prescriptions for Ciprofloxacin during the American ‘Anthrax scare’ Bloody stupid twats-by the way any-one remember where that Anthrax strain came from? Also Guido you have very little chance of Tamiflu on a private RX
love Dixie
p.s get some paracetamol to keep temps down if needed,plenty of fluids,rest and eat well would be my best advice to all IMHO
the low fatality rate with swine flu jumps out whenever I receive my three times weekly DOH update. Would hate to trivialise such an illness because there will be some deaths, but is currently running at significantly less than the death rate for seasonal flu.
This is assuming that we are being told the truth. How difficult would it be for the Government to decree that wherever possible swine flu deaths must be written down as due to something else.
This probably isn’t ideal, but I’ve found out of hours GPs are usually more helpful and if you time it for when they take over (early evening) you usually get more of a result. Phone number should be on your GP’s answer message and say you’ll take her there.
Probably the best, get the GP outta bed…
or phone for an Ambulance.
Yep, a really responsible way to use the health service! Clown.
fuck off back to work, you overpaid, arrogant shit quack.
H Shipman, you’re not thinking this through. Limited resources need to be carefully allocated, as my colleague Dr Feelgood points out. Your response is just stupid.
Could be any number of infections with symptoms like high temperatures, tummy ache, headaches and a dry cough. Is it not too late to take her to any surgery or clinic whithout anyone arbitrarily pre-diagnosing the condition? Without wishing to scaremonger, this policy could lead to the death of children or adults from undiagnosed conditions such as meningitis.
I wonder why the walk-in receptionist encouraged you to go home rather than wait for four hours or more. As a worried parent, I think I might have opted for the wait.
Surely they weren’t worrying about missing a target for waiting times rather than focusing on the best outcome for the patient.
R56
targets… mmmmm, you’re right methinks.
Are you an immigrant, gypsy, Labour MP or live in a marginal Labour seat constituency? No? Well stop moaning and join the rest of us.
Labour=looks after its own. And only its own.
Take your best old cardy, shit stained trousers and a six pack of cider down there, (park your non-taxed Merc in the Dr’s only parking bay) bang on the desk and tell them that you are a member of the “non-settled, non-tax paying, thieving bastard travelling community” they will have to see you at once ahead of all us Hoons who live in the area and pay taxes through the arse. If they don’t accuse them of pikeyphobia and get Cherie Blair to represent you as your uuuummaann rights have been trampled on.
:-D
LMAO… quite brilliant. :-))
Such travelophobic comments are uncalled for. In my professional capacity I deal with many travellers and can honestly say that their avoidance of work, paying tax, thieving everything that is not nailed down and ability to move onto someone elses land to live there for nothing is all the fault of the settled community’s lack of understanding and compassion for people who through no fault of their own have to claim the dole everywhere the pitch up, drive large Jaguars and Mercededs untaxed as the system failed to teach them to read and are as misunderstood and persecuted as muslims who choose to exercise their religion by blowing up people on the tube.
Did I mention that one of my colleagues at the transgenered single parenting outreach group also states that global warming is causing travellers to move more often as well.
It is going to get a great deal worse. The NHS is no longer set up or really prepared to deal with major outbreaks. To do so means you need some spare capacity and capability in the system, and it simply is not there. We saw the shambles at first hand in our local hospital over MRSA and C.Diff when large numbers died. Also, I remember the Asian Flu of 1957, and the other virulent 1954 one, they were serious despite a better structured NHS.
What a joke, and the worst thing is it’s not funny at all. No wonder people are tying to buy this stuff on-line.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8131911.stm
The drug, used in suspected cases of swine flu, has now overtaken Viagra as the subject of the most junk e-mails, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society says.
But the supplies offered are often fake, with buyers getting sugar or rat poison instead of the drug.
Sir Liam Donaldson said in an interview with BBC Breakfast: “The whole field of counterfeit drugs is becoming a much bigger problem, not just with Tamiflu.
“So my advice is don’t buy it , you don’t need to. We have got the biggest stockpile in the world and even worse than that you might end up with something that is poisonous and dangerous.”
What is the point having this stock pile if you are unable to get hold if it. We really do need a change of administration.
Dr Sir Liam Donaldson’s one is the biggest one in the world? Not what we’d heard.
Pretend you’re a pikey and you can walk straight in.
Have faith in Labour, Guido. Gordon Brown, has launched ‘Building Britain’s Future’, a plan setting out how the Labour Government will create a fairer, stronger and more prosperous country. The plan’s focus on jobs highlights the Labour Government’s belief that the country cannot afford to lose another generation to unemployment as the Conservatives allowed to happen in the past. By guaranteeing every young person who has been out of work for a year a job, training or work experience, Labour will ensure both that individuals and the country are well placed to seize the opportunities presented as we move out of recession. Building Britain’s Future sets out how Labour will put Britain’s economy back on track, continue to improve schools, hospitals, policing and our national infrastructure and clean up politics.
what the fuck has that got to do with little fawkes wnd swine flu ?
Yeah fuck off Charles you cock sucking piss bag
In the DT today
‘SIR – Now that Gordon Brown’s administration is to take over the East Coast main line should the 10am King’s Cross to Edinburgh be renamed The Lying Scotsman?’
Nay fear Master Freddie,
Charles is computer, a random generator of Labour Party deceit and general propaganda, a machine.
Rather like Gordon!
true i supose a human wouldnt do that on a family subject
If Gordon were a computer he’d be an Amstrad: old technology; yesterday’s ideas and would crash when you need it most.
Charles, I’m sorry but the only thing that I can say is response is..
You’re a shit stained tramps cock sucking fucking nob end!
Respectfully Yours,
HJ
Just fuck off will you?
you’ve already had 12 years to do it and you’ve failed, so you can fuck off now along with your other lying bullying c u n t s that you arse lick.
I don’t know why you’re all so nasty. Yes a minister asked me to come on here and inform the public of Labour’s many achievements, but so what? Labour is the party of tolerance and respect and you are all proving yourself to be angry mindless savages.
fuck off and have a wank or something
feck of small winky or i will sneeze on you
because we have been taking lessons from you lot, the nasty party. Labour is now the nasty party
Labour always has been the nasty party – just some people were too thick to realise it!
well you would know about savages, there’s one in downing street and the rest are in the cabinet and then there’s you of course.
“Yes a minister asked me to come on here and inform the public of Labour’s many achievements”.
Zzzzz.
BTW, I bet this ‘minister’ has had his anti-virals.
Charles,
Go & shag your sister again..you know that you want to…TWAT!
….and your Mum. Then I think your Dad wants to see you – he said to bring the Vaseline.
Gordon Brown, has launched ‘Building Britain’s Future’,
a plan setting out how the Labour Government will create a fairer,
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focus on jobs highlights the Labour Government’s belief that the country cannot afford to lose another
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unemployment as the Conservatives allowed to happen in the past. By guaranteeing every young person who has been out of work for a year a job, tra tra tra
That’s fascinating. ‘A Minister’ (go on, name names) asked you to make sure the folk on here get the same old same old speil we hear everywhere else, with a view to precisely what? So you can feel like a martyr? To work to brainwash us with your driveling plagiarised jargon-laden propaganda?
Wouldn’t it be better to actually read what’s being written here and not dismiss it as stupid and we here as ’savages’ (a racist slur if ever I heard one)? Then transmit it back to your Minister chum. But no, you really don’t get it, do you?
Indeed, labour is the party of tolerance and respect for chav dole scroungers, mental religionists who want to kill us all, fat cat contractors for spy cameras and ID cards, overpaid private sector non jobbersa and elf and saferty executives. The working productive class? – they can go fuck themselves and keep paying more and more tax to prop up Labour’s fucking failed (again) socialists utopia. Thatis all the repsect Labour gives us and guess why more and more are telling labour to (respecfully) fuck off and die.
Bellend.
You Fuckwit
By that I mean …. Charles You Fuckwit
Oh fuck off!
That comment was directed at Charles too.
That’s brilliant, Charles! And while he’s at it, if it’s not too much trouble, could he send me my jet pack which I’ve been waiting for since the 1970’s? If you’re going to wish for the impossible, might as well make it a good’un.
what panet are you living on ?
Don’t think I’m unsympathetic but would should anyone assume that something like this is swineflu ? This maladministration would love to have you believe it, of course.
Meanwhile, your experience just shows once again that this lot couldn’t organise the proverbial piss-up in a brewery.
Anyway, hope your daughter gets well soon.
I understand your concerns regarding Mrs and Little Miss Fawkes Guido having raised three over 16’s myself. A sick child is very worrying for all concerned and I wish you all well and for Miss Fawkes a speedy recovery.
I’ve had to physically carry my daughter to the doctor and into the hospital on more than one occasion – no home visits for us but a regular supply of offers through the post from the ‘GP’ to take up ‘health checks’ of every description ergo: ££PROFITS…
However, all that being said, bird flu and ’sars’ didn’t work and now they’re on to ’swine flu’ – so apt with all the snouts in the trough these days.
FEAR is the mindkiller and ‘fear’ is where they need us to be to retain control of the system.
My son suspected he had swine flu earlier in the week – the power of the mind is amazing – especially when manipulated by ongoing fearmongering propaganda. In the beginning of the ’swine flu outbreak’ I found myself developing the symptoms that were being given by the lamestream news and had to remind myself to ‘get a grip’.
I sincerely wish Little Miss Fawkes a speedy recovery but I have many experiences of childhood illnesses and even though the ‘guvmint’ is predicting 100,000 new cases a day, I am extremely sceptical of this entire ‘virus’ If it were a REAL danger to us they wouldn’t be turning us away…but last I heard, Tamiflu costs around £100 for a treatment ergo: more £££££££’s. And besides, Tamiflu (follow the money to a certain Mr Rumsfeld) doesn’t cure, it just ‘eases’ the symptoms – nice £work if you can get it eh – and this guvmint have fallen for it yet again, with our hard earned dosh of course.
AND PLEASE, BEFORE YOU CONSIDER TAKING/GIVING ANY VACCINES – GO HERE:
http://www.vaclib.org/
Guido,
Don’t put your faith in doctors!
My little girl was twice cleared of viral chest infection by them!
Yet she finished up in GOSH on life support!
Watch her and trust your instinct, and don’t be afraid to make a fuss!!
Hope all is well with her.
I wish you all well and please don’t forget your European Health Cards for your French holiday….just in case,possibly their healthcare is better than in the UK.
Take your case up with your MP,it’s a shocker !!!
And yet the man who tried to circumcise himself with nail clippers received immediate treatment.
“‘This is something we would advise men never to attempt,’ a medic said.”
No shit.
I can’t force myself to click that link…
kinell
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5694913/Man-uses-nail-clippers-in-DIY-circumcision.html
I’m gonna start biting my nails again. Could never touch nail clippers again. Aieee!
Ouch! What an idiot.
As the late Robert Maxwell said to one of his staff: ‘When they circumcised you they threw away the main bit’.
Would that be the member of staff responsible for maintenance of handrails on Maxwell’s yacht?
Are you sure that that was not said to Robber Maxwell?
You may want to consider never attempting the following things:-
Nailing your testicles to a moving bus
Stubbing a cigarette out on your eyeball
Looking down the barrel of a loaded gun to see how fast the bullet comes out
Voting Labour under any circumstances
For more information, please contact The University of the Bleedin’ Obvious.
All the best for Miss Fawkes!
Seconded.
Hope Mr. and Mrs. Fawkes are not too frazzled by the whole thing, either.
Thirded!
Fourthed :-)
Hang in there GF… I sincerely hope all will be well.
I’m sure it’s very scary but in the end there’s nothing much that can be done medically about it. Just ride it out. The only proviso is if your child starts having breathing difficulties then you should seek medical attention.
There is something you can do. Buy some antibiotics.
They do not work against viruses!!
But they DO work against the secondary infections that cause all the problems.
“all the problems” ? No.
Sore throats, yes. Perhaps a chest infection, yes.
General weakness and feeling shit. No.
Don’t prescribe your own antibiotics, you don’t know what you’re up to.
…which would be completely useless against a virus, like influenza, and overuse of antibiotics in the population causes bacteria to develop resistance.
So, no, that would not be a good thing to do.
Correct, just keep on with plenty of FLUIDS.
And some paracetamol to reduce temp.
Gentlemen of the medical persuasion?
You don’t have to take them, just have them in case a lung infection develops.
it’s a “cascade” by the immune system killing off healthy cells which is the killer (as seen in 1918)!
Why don’y you just go and read up on the subject first!
Because when I last had flu I had a secondary lung infection…
You didn’t have N1H1 (the first of it’s kind)!
Bilbo, back of the line. The cascade you cite is not the case with all flu viruses, and it isn’t the case with H1N1 (yet). And no, H1N1 is not new, it’s been here before. Fluids and paracetamol may be enough. Check out http://www.beta-glucan.co.uk or http://www.biotherapharma.com if you want to know more.
Thank you for an enlightening me!
Nice to be corrected without abuse!
Now go and find a cure before the Fawkes family live up to their name and come round your house with a couple of barrels of black powder!
We warned you Guido for your safety and everything you hold dear not to so brilliantly antagonise Gordon!
Next, when you return home you’ll find Kim Jong Ill has converted it into a nuclear missile testing site at the behest of Chairman Brown.
(Don’t fret, little ones are pertinacious things, and swine flu is frightful because its unknown, its actually a mild distemper).
Advice from NHS direct.
If you have flu-like symptoms, check your symptoms with this tool (links to external site).
If you are still concerned, stay at home and call your GP, who will assess you over the phone. If your GP confirms swine flu, they will give you a voucher reference number which your healthy relative or friend can use to pick up antivirals from your local collection centre – normally a pharmacy or community centre.
In the meantime, take paracetamol-based cold remedies to reduce fever and other symptoms, drink plenty of fluids and get lots of rest.
Do not go into your GP surgery, or to a hospital, as you may spread the disease to others. Ask your ‘flu friend’ to go out for you.
(Obviously you shouldn’t sit in the GP’s waiting room and keep sneezing violently until they are forced to see you …..)
Guido..
I hope that the little one is better very soon!
Many parents on here will fully understand the anquish that you & the family are going through….you’ll get loads of tips on here, treat them in the manner in which they are meant…to help ,not interfere.
For me, I’ve always sworn by Calpol for the temperature (febrile fits are so frightening) & Pocoyo on DVD!
Best of Luck!
Lovely message Hugh Jardon and I concur – Calpol + boiled and cooled water to hydrate and most of all, lots of TLC even if it means sitting up all night till the worst is over.
Sitting up all night by candlelight nursing a sick child certainly helps with ones ‘take’ on life and it’s very good for the soul/spirit!
Guido that is terrible news……..I am lost for words good luck to you and your family. Your in our prayers
Titanic Captain
What we used to do in the 1970s, when old Labour were in charge, was phone our GP and he’d call out in the evening.
Don’t know if it’s still the same since Thatcher’s nasty party screwed the NHS, but I do know that new Labour have ensured you can get a locum to call, and then you won’t have to use your daughter in this tawdry way.
The NHS ruined itself at about the same time the USSR fell, and for exactly the same reasons.
Soviet Organisation is an oxymoron.
There you have it. Swine flu is Thatcher’s fault! What took you lot so long?
it started in mexico
What, the tequila addiction? In my day you’d be kicked off the team in an eyeblink.
true lad but i scored more than kp and got 2 wickets and i can hit a boundry unlike you and hussan nicking it down to 3rd man
NO it started in America, in Iowa in fact among the swine farms there where they used too many antibiotics perhaps.
No one but you is saying that swine flu is Thatcher’s fault. Shows just what an imbecile you are, indeed.
Thatcher did destroy the NHS, something scum like you supported, and then you whine like the swine you are when it’s not as good as it was under old Labour.
The only story here is that Geedo hasn’t the intelligence to phone a locum and look after his duaghter properly. And worse that he then seeks to use this stupidity as a political weapon.
What an absolute shower of filth you lot truly are.
she had to tough on the public purse cos labour had bankrupted the country , come to think of sounds firmiler
she had to be tough on public spending cos labour had screwed up the country , now that seems firmiler
Fuck off socialist scum!
Thatcher probably did destroy the NHS but labour have had 12 years to start putting it back together and they have failed miserably. If you want a job in management then the NHS will probably serve your purposes. If you want some medical attention though then you’re shit out of luck and that isn’t Thatchers fault – it’s Bliar and Browns.
Jennifers’s Arse more like.
If only thatcher DID destroy the National Death service, we’d have a proper service now instead of Soviet rationing (nothing for anyone except party members).
Readers should know that these cretins posting here are very likely to be sitting Tory MPs and prospective Tory MPs.
Despite their false smiles, when you vote Tory this is what they really think.
They’re still the nasty party.
Just look at the supportive comments on their blogs. This is what they’re really like.
back to the eating babies line eh
Nasty? You just called me an “imbecile” because of a joke. It shows what a bunch of officious, humourless, unpleasant automatons you lot are.
After 12 years of Labour misrule the country, not just the NHS, is on the edge of a precipice. And you are still blaming the conservatives.
Don’t be silly if you call out a locum they work through an agency and for medical legal insurance purposes will immediately call for an ambulance and have the pax carted off to A&E where you (the pax) will lie on a Gurney for four hours…
Sorry to hear of your trauma hope it all goes well away… nothing more than say a bit of heatstroke…?
ANYway Guido don’t read this next bit..
None of the political numpties so far have actually given the mortality rate or any percentage odds of contracting a serious disease or symptoms from swine flu.
Someone fess up and tell all.
Or post link to a reliable source for the information..
Jennifer,
Readers know that socialism isn’t efficient. The NHS is socialist therefore it is not
Customer focused.
Efficient.
Effective.
Responsive.
The death of the murderous NHS will bring life to the country, like removing a cancer will give life to the patient.
http://nationaldeathservice.blogspot.com/ gives examples of the NHS’s constant failures.
Labour’s answer to everything is to throw taxpayers’ money at the problem and then expect gratitude from the people they have taken it from. And if that doesn’t work (and it usually doesn’t) then blame Maggie Thatcher. Hey Presto! Country fucked again but don’t blame us we’re only in charge.
It’s enough to make a cat laugh.
What is it with these arseholes that whenever something fucks up we hear that it was all Mrs Thatchers and that administrations fault? She resigned in 1990 for fucks sake and NewLiars have been in the driving seat with a huge majority since 1997.
I would have thought that 12 years would be enough to change and put to rest any wrongs that the Cons last admin had perpertrated against NewLiars will.
Lets not forget that NewLabour inherited an economy in tip top shape.
Instead all we hear as the country goes down the tubes (and Guido’s unfortunate experience is now the norm rather than the exception) is that it was all someone else’s fault or it started in America.
What a bunch of complete pygmies and tow rags NewLiars are.
“As good as it was under old Labour”!!!!
Which was when exactly? The last time the monobrowed twat in No11 had to call in the IMF??
I dont remember MRSA in Thatch’s time. That shit killed my brother in law in a major London hospital.
Another brother was sent home from A&E with “your liver is slightly enlarged, but dont worry it wont kill you. Go and see your GP on Monday”. Poor bastard was dead by 4am Sunday morning.
Dont you fuckers dare tell me about the good old days of the NHS under “Old” Liebor.
And what about this two tier shit that you tried to pull, not allowing people to pay for their own cancer drugs a couple of years ago that you had to climb down over?
“24 hours to save the NHS”, my big fat hairy fucking arse.
Liars and thieves, all of you!
Jennifers ear: I read guido as a largley non-partisan. But rather than keep throwing these accusations, you might consider my nephew.
He served 2 stints in Iraq and still works for the army, but as he now ‘jokes’: as all else its from a chair. Hes one of those men that Blair refused to be photographed with, for as Harold Pinter put it – he’d hate to get blood on his shirt. Yes people ARE nasty – when pushed, they’re angry and offensive. I see the Labour front bench and recall Pinters words Hoon, Straw, Brown – their spotless shirts. And I can tell you I feel pretty nasty. I don’t question for one minute your good intentions and desire for equality. But for heavens sake, look at the effective reality of your OWN party, and then talk about nasty. Its too easy to hide behind language and intentions. You say rendition, I say torture.
A nasty thought: Adolf Eichmann – from behind his desk, with the distorted language of the third reich, he administered death on an unimaginable scale. He was squeamish – only once visited the camps (so he said) – yet still he scribbled away ‘following directives.’ Its an appalling image, yet one that I can’t help drifting towards when I see that front bench – rich, gloating and unperturbed.
Anger is never pretty, and I can’t speak for any others who comment here. But there is a sordid reality behind NewLabour that speaks volumes for the degree of self-deception that ANY ruling elite can reach.
Oh, FFS, here we go again…. “Thatcher, nasty party, blah blah”… get over it, shes been gone for 20 years!
Which fucking idiot handed out the new GP contracts doubling their pay and withdrawing the out of hours cover and left the rest of us completely unable to get appointments any less than three days in advance?
How many visits from a “locum” (instead of your own GP, who should understand your situation) have you ever had? You do know what a locum is dont you?
Who says he’s using his daughter in a tawdry way? She’s just a kid. He’s a blogger. He reports it as he sees it. If you dont like it, stop making such a fucking pigs ear of the NHS!
Jennifer’s Ear? Gordon’s Big Fat One Eyed Arse more like.
And one more thing, “Jennifer’s Ear” – neat reference to a clumsy NuLab stunt that blewnup in their faces – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jennifer%27s_Ear – unlike Labourlost etc the posters here are not MPs or party placemen, just members of the public who are seriously pissed off with this lying, spendthrift, incompetent government.
Thatcher may have been gone for 20 years but why hasn’t somebody told the tories?
Why not just go to France early? – you’ll get some decent help there. Labour hasn’t had a chance to fuck their health care yet.
The reason you still get good health care in France is that they still have the health care system which old Labour introduced to this country.
Thatcher destroyed that, and scum like you supported her.
It’s amusing though that you’re getting so desperate that you think you can win on the NHS.
It’s interestingly clueless…
Nope, it’s because the Government doesn’t try to run hospitals.
You fucking dimwit – it works because its insurance based and the funds are not under control of the government.
Use your single celled brain to compare and contrast that to the shitstorm that is the NHS.
Fucking mental pygmy
Insurance funds are some sort of Quango. The government decides most of the rules.
The French pay four times for their health care.
The NHS is a Liberal innovation like most of the other great reforms this country has enjoyed.
The creation of the NHS was put on hold during WWII and it was generally agreed that whoever won power after the election would implement the National Health Service. Labour won. Had the Monster Raving Looney Party won then they would be claiming the credit of other people’s work and no doubt blaming others for its faults as well.
Exactly how many more billions and how many more years do Labour need to get something right?
The NHS is a disaster.
but you’ve had 12 years to change it? instead you bankrupted the nation again, like you did in the seventies along with your union friends. You’ve destryoed the economy and millions of jobs with it. Labour now the NASTY party
Oh do fuck off Jennifer, you wouldnt know France if you fell over it.
Aye, enough of your Spinning, Jenny!
The reason the NHS is in such dire straits is because many people use it and do not pay for it. This has been happening for years and has got worse since Labour got into power.
I had to deal with the local hospital when my father died. We had to draw up a rota to feed him as staff were so stretched, they hadn’t got the resources. This is the legacy of Nu Labour. They have fucked it up and now the likes of you want to blame someone who hasn’t been in power for almost 20 years, rather then look at the facts, which speak for themselves.
Good luck,hope everything is ok.
[...] once. What do we pay them for again???? Oh, and a joined-up health service? Read Guido earlier at Swine Flu Update – Guy Fawkes' blog who was attempting to get his daughter seen to. It'd be laughable if it wasn't so serious. [...]
Awful. One of a parents’ worst nightmares – a lack of diagnosis and support. Hope the private route pans out.
Hope little Miss Fawkes is better soon. Don’t worry too much. Easily said, but not easy to do (I’m a parent, too). But statistics are heavily on your side. But DO kick up a big fuss about this once Miss Fawkes is better. Most ordinary people do not have the ability to do this – you have, and name names.
The problem with the NHS is that the patient is no longer the customer of the system, they are the prisoner of the system, with no say whatever in what is provided and under a compulsion to obey orders or be punished.
The system not only costs a fortune; it’s crap. and everybody hates it.
Good luck with the family; paracetamol and loving care will probably do more for the children than almost anything else.
Total cobblers.
The NHS is fine in my hands, been in the job 4 weeks.
Did I tell you that I have have switched the NHS to ‘treatment phase’, so give me a treat and go home and stop annoying me.
This has always been my greatest worry about a flu epidemic. The govt has bought a truckload of Tamiflu, so that the Health Secretary can stand up in parliament and in interviews and say, yes, we have a truckload of Tamiflu.
As with so much of New Labour govt, that represents job done as far as he’s concerned. Not many ministers in the last 12 years have had an iota of interest in managing their departments beyond their press officers.
It is obvious that the logistics of distributing several million doses of Tamiflu to upto a third of the population are difficult, particularly against the timeframe that Tamiflu needs to be taken early to be effective. The govt’s record on any activity that requires actual action in the real world, as opposed to spin and interviews, is completely lamentable.
This flu epidemic will be handled only as efficiently as foot and mouth, the MoD, education, etc etc
At least I’ve ticked another box !
As I previously suggested,
make sure the Tamiflu is in Chemist’s shops and that the mechanism for writing prescriptions is effective and quick.
Refusing to see the patient is not the way to handle an epidemic.
Teams of visiting health professionals with the power to write prescriptions is what is needed, alog with good hygeine of course.
Health visitors,
Practice nurses.
Medical students in the last years of their course,
The full pool of locums and unplaced doctors, all provided with logistics, and prescription writing powers.
Visting on request.
Set up control centres if needed.
But is Tamiflu actually all that effective?
You can’t ‘visit on request’ if 100,000 per day are getting in, clever clogs.
No Moley it isn’t. There are already reports of H1N1 resistance to Tamiflu, and that can only get worse. Tamiflu is excreted, passes through sewage plants untouched, and low concentrations of the stuff get into the water table where water fowl live. As they are an alternative viral host, this provides ideal conditions to breed resistance.
How much dilution is there between tamiflu going down the toilets and arriving in ducks?
Do ducks live in the water table?
Silly boy. They live in Duck Houses.
They should put it on Polish trucks. You can’t go more than a couple of miles without coming across one on the wrong side of the road.
It is obvious that the logistics of distributing several million doses of Tamiflu to upto a third of the population are difficult,
Not so, just let HM Tax Inspectors stuff the tablets in with a tax return envelope, they seem to find everyone very quickly
You are of course correct, Sir.
As has been demonstrated recently all government cares about is spending, not results. Spending is not a means to an end, it is the end result.
Brown can’t say “We’ve cut cancer deaths in under 40s by half” but he can stand up and say “We’ve spent £50bn more on the NHS”, and that is it, his job is done even if all the money was wasted.
I hope that you can all see now why it is so important that spending on our world class health system needs to be ring-fenced.
Imagine what would happen if we stopped pumping money into the fetid rotting carcass of the NHS.The political parties would be at serious risk of losing public sector support just so people could be seen by a doctor when they need to.
Anyone who does not understand why NHS spending is so important has never been in the incredibly difficult position of trying to get themselves elected to high office.
Stop thinking so selfishly for a change and look at it from the states position….
Mate – this is what you are fighting for – to expose the utter failure of this dirty, nasty, political Mafia called Nu Labour.
The odds are that your daughter is and will be OK – kids of that age get all sorts.
Best wishes to the little one.
Apparently you should request a course of anti virals.
Perhaps time and effort could be saved by buying them privately.
Ring your GP. If the GP confirms swine flu by telephone, they will give you a voucher reference number entitling you to antiviral medication.
Give this number to a healthy friend or relative and ask them to pick up the antivirals for you from a designated local collection centre.
Gp’s should set up dedicated flu lines just for that purpose.
GPs do not have the capacity to ’set up a dedicated flu line’, it needs someone to man it who is already busy doing other jobs. There WILL be a national flu line to ring, it should already have been up and running but isn’t. So NHS Direct and GP surgeries are doing their best meanwhile.
Labour have created a state of panic. By most accounts swine flu is fairly mild lasting only a couple of days. If it were not for the constant harping on about “pandemics” and boasting Britain being the best prepared nation in the world then nobody would be bothered. It would be a spoonful of Calpol and an early bed.
Now the surgeries are being assailed. Well done Gordon. Another fuck up.
Best thing Guido is to wait till you get to France! Treatment here is firstclass.
But in two weeks time it could be very serious indeed and even first class treatment can’t cure death.
Just play on your Gypsy heritage old chum, apparantly you can walk to the front of the queue.
Boring, unoriginal and untrue. 0/10.
Guido I very much wish you all well. But this isn’t out of the ordinary for the nhs in my experience. I don’t bother now to contact my GP, it’s more aggravation than it’s worth. The 3 words natinal health service should be shortened to just 2 “national Health”. No one in the nhs has heard of service. they are there doing you a favour because it’s free. It is a monolithic institution and you cannot beat their systems. Their systems for the benefit of the people who work in it and not for the patient. I recognise this isn’t the case in all instances, but at 55 years of age, my experiences lead me to this conclusion. the worst thing is to actually get an appointment within 48hrs, the receptionists try to put you off as much as possible.
I set up another Blog with some Blog-buddies for the same reason.
http://nationaldeathservice.blogspot.com/
If you have other examples please just post them in the comments or email one of the admins.
Perhaps it’s personal.
Anon, you may well be right about GPs and primary care. NuLiebor have certainly thrown a lot of money in their direction for what appears to be a horrendous loss in service. Their main function nowadays seems to be to tick boxes and know which hospital to send you to when they deign to see you. Home visits are are a distant memory.
However I’ve just had a potentially distressing sojourn at one of our NHS hospitals and I must say the service was brilliant. Having a camera on a stick poked up your arse for a colonoscopy to diagnose potential bowel cancer was not a pleasing prospect but all of the staff (nurses, support staff to the consultant) were very pleasant and professional. Amazingly turning it into a very agreeable experience especially as the result was negative.
At the risk of getting flamed may I report my own experience of excellent service from the NHS. I don’t doubt that there is a lot of waste and that it is top heavy with management. (There are quite a few commercial companies that have the same problem). I suffered a minor heart attack about 7 weeks ago and have nothing but praise for the NHS staff that looked after me from the time that the paramedics arrived to the time I was discharged. They were all absolutely brilliant.
Sadly Guido this doesn’t surprise me.
I haven’t even had the leaflet yet. Piss up & Brewery springs to mind.
I thought via NHS direct you could get a prescription? Maybe only if you promise to vote labour.
I hope your daughter gets well soon.
“(who had a temperature of 39.1 degrees)”
What is that in old money ??
In real money ? It’s 102.38 F.
Good luck for Miss F. Pop on the ferry and take some early hols in France.
So why didn’t you just tell the receptionist that your daughter was not feeling well? The GP could have then decided if it were pig flu or not.
All the best to your family Guido.
NHS = Left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing.
Thinking of the four of you… It is hell when your kids are ill. I was under the impression there was Tamiflu in syrup-type form for small children.
I can’t understand why a phone call didn’t produce a docket number and collection address for anti-virals, esp seeing the age of the patient. That’s what Liam Donaldson has just said on BBC News is to happen now across the UK.
If they don’t want sick patients turning up in A and E and spreading flu around, then the system for doling out anti-virals must be foolproof and fast…
After it is sorted for your daughter, please let us know how its going… I realize you will have too much on your mind right now…
Very best wishes…
39.1 degrees celcius- thats fuck all – stop being a pansy
I’d be more impressed by your all-embracing knowledge of all things medical if you could spell Celsius, you fuckwit.
The good news is that it is only like normal flu. Your daughter is no worse off as regards medical treatment than she would have been in, say, 1309. Best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.
Obviously flu is not a job for A & E. It ought to be a job for your GP, but frankly they can’t be bothered and it messes up their statistics if too many sick people go to the surgery. Isn’t there supposed to be an arrangement whereby you diagnose swine flu yourself and send someone to get some tamiflu?
I’ve diagnosed a serious outbreak of Troughing Flu at Westminster so I guess it’ll
be OK if I send them a case load of cyanide.
Love it! Great idea. And it’ll save provide another 600+ lots of Tamiflu for the voters if swine flu does run wild. I’m assuming they won’t need the Tamiflu after your generous donation.
Come on! It’s not mostly that they can’t be bothered! Many GPs are being worked off their feet. T
he govts flu’ hotline and medicine collection points not all being ready and up and running is more to the point.
What? Nine three-hour sessions a week, no house calls, no evenings or weekends, all the admin done by a practice manager? Admittedly GPs have to deal extensively with the lonely, malingerers, people wanting sick notes, hypochrondiacs, the miserably chaotic, the confused, timewasters, drunks and the morbidly obese but the hours are far from overwhelming.
Change your GP, old chap if yours is like that… I did.
If you used your brain you would realise that having an infected patient in a busy waiting room might not be sensible. Or perhaps you wouldn’t.
Your daughter, and my dear old Mum.
Almost killed off by the system until I behaved very badly to get her into a hospital to be stabilised and then out asap into ’self-funded’ care.
I despair for all, and especially for the sandwich generation trying to deal with both. Then more so our kids as they inherit Gordon’s prudent legacy for mine.
‘Envy of the world’, we’re told, by various ‘trust us’ organs, from Guv to Aunty.
I. DON’T BELIEVE. ANY. OF. YOU. ANY. MORE!
Never did believe the self serving shits
Phone your GP and they should contact your local health protection unit. They should come out and proivde the medicines and protective equipment or direct you to your nearset ACP (antiviral collection Point).
To be honest, being turned away from surgeries and things made sense to reduce infection rates, but somone somewhere should have been able to tell you this.
WALK INTO DOCTORS WAITING ROOM WITH A LARGE SIGN AROUND NECK
“POSSIBLE SWINE FLU – STAY CLEAR”
Just watch as the waiting room suddenly clears as the medical liggers suddenly feel better or need to be somewhere else fast.
That puts you right at the top of the list…
OR JUST WALK INTO ANY A&E AND SAY YOU HAVE PAINS IN YOUR CHEST -
How will the system work when there are 100,000 cases per day by the end of August (as announced yesterday) ? That’s 3,000,000 in a single month. And by Christmas?
My very best wishes.Your experience does not auger well if we’re going to face a serious pandemic.
Yes, if people panic instead of following constantly repeated advice it does not augur well.
Bear in mind that antivirals do not work all that well (not like antibiotics) and have significant possible side effects, something that has not been publicised. Government want us to believe that antivirals are an easy answer.
See http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2009/07/tamiflu_and_adverse_effects.php
Hope it all goes well. You’re in my prayers.
That GP’ s surgery had no right to turn her away.
When she’s better give everybody concerned what for.
Incorrect, they are following national advice.
The advice says “Your local GP will be able to tell you if you have swine flu over the phone” Fuck me, you docs are clever. How the fuck can they do that without seeing the patient?
Oh, and imagine how accurate the Swine Flu stats are going to be after GPs up and down the country have been randomly deciding whether people’s symptoms are swine flu or conventional flu. About as accurate as Alistair Darling’s financial forecasts?
Its easier to sell something( a public utility) if you totally discredit it first – so they’re nearly there with the nhs.
Just remember Guido you’re dealing with swine, so if you bear that in mind then there’s less to worry about – its easier to contemplate plain old ‘flu’.
Sounds about the level of ‘Emergency Planning’ you’d expect from this bunch of tossers!
I hope your daughter is soon on the mend.
Labour the nasty party.
First damian mcbride then slurs on gay tories, what can they sink to next?
Labour the lying bullying NASTY party.
Lets hope little Fawkes gets some treatment. Suggest all the Fawkes family gets some Tamiflu as precaution. Private route seems best bet.
God bless the Family Fawkes.
Balls is a liar
The case for privatisation gets stronger and stronger. The NHS has vaguely heard of the concept of customer service, but has decided it wants no truck with it.
If there wasa commercial or professional advantage to be gained by offering on a commercial basis an immediate response to parents with concerns about swine flu for their children, it’d be up and running and working. What’s more a GP practice that didn’t do this would quickly find its patients getting very umpty and voting with their feet (cash) and going elsewhere – Tescos?.
These last two remaining bastions of statism, or even Stalinism, health and education, suffer endemic producer capture and waste resources as any monopoly always does.
The real tragedy is there are many thousands of able and committed clinical and support staff who would hugely benefit from the liberation from this utterly crap system that lets them down on a daily basis.
Scrap the NHS and issure health vouchers to everyone. The vouchers will only entitle patients to a set range of core treatments that broadly cover public health and ensuring that someone is fit to work. And as most people spend most on health care in the last two years of their lives the accummulated unspent value of the vouchers plus growth will be more than sufficient to fund palliative care. Managing many chronic diseases is not expensive (I am an asthmatic and I pay about £100 quid a year for medicinces and perhaps have two or three sessions with the asthma nurse).
The more I look at the health and education ’services’ the more it is clear that wholesale break up is required. And to give the money to the parents and patients to spend on the provider of their choice.
Guido … I wouldn’t worry about the TESTING for swine flu… (About the only sort going round that age group is likely to be swine flu and Tamiflu is helpful for any flu-type virus). Your daughter is surely in the category to have anti virals on her clinical symptoms alone.
Getting Tamiflu is NOT any more supposed to be only after having a test to prove you have it… that takes days anyway… and is only really useful to the epidemiologists… Anti-virals work best in moderating symptoms if given early.
Good luck with getting some today…
The only drugs shown to work against swine flu operates in a very interesting manner.
They stops the virus being able to burst infected cells once it has infected them and reproduced many times within.
from the wikipedia page,
“[the drugs are] oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza)”
“The drugs work best if given within 2 days of becoming ill”
It also says the drugs should be reserved for those with “complications” However, at less than 5 years old, Miss Fawkes may well be at greater risk of complications.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic#Symptoms_and_expected_severity
Watch the video where the nice American tells you what symptoms mean brown trousers time.
The entire Fawkes family will be in my prayers.
May I just take this opportunity to pass on my sincere good wishes to the Fawkes family at this difficult time , as I have a hotline to God I will be putting in a good word
Lest we forget.
“We are the bet placed Country in the world to deal with swine flu. We have more drugs to deal with it than any other Country in the world”. According to Nulabour.
Plus. The economy’s fine and pigs can fly.
Thank goodness I live in Australia. I hope your little girl gets better soon.
Here’s Bucks PCTs advice:
http://www.buckspct.nhs.uk/?p=2437
Not very enlightening and a tad ambiguous.
I’d concur with those suggesting over the telephone diagnosis and ’script code. All the family should treat as all are potentially exposed.
All good wishes to the young ‘un. You shouldn’t have to go private.
Only affected cases will now be treated, not contacts. Tamiflu is NOT easily available by private prescription.
Ooops – you’re right of course. We’re a nest of at riskers here. One forgets that it isn’t the norm.
Sorry to hear that Guido. Hope the little ‘un is on the mend very soon.
It’s a good thing that Gordon has enshrined our rights of access to medical services in law, isn’t it?
What a Bloody nightmare situation. I hope little un gets better soon.
I just hope you don’t get a call from Gordon wishing you all the best.
Seriously, though, she’ll be fine – kids are very tough things.
Is it true that Phil Woolas bought Tampax under the impression that it was Tamiflu?
No, it’s because he’s a bleedin’ cnut.
LOL!
Hope everything goes ok.
Get back to your GP and get them to do what they are supposed to do.
They are probably saving the anti virals for the “important people” like Gordon Brown and his kitchen cabinet.
No, stay at home and ring like you were supposed to in the first place.
Hi Doc, so what is your professional advice if you have an ill child? I had flu two weeks ago and studiously phoned the NHS line to be told because I hadn’t gone to Mexico I didn’t have swine flu (hmmmm). Fair enough, I stayed in bed for a week and toughed it out. Then for last two weeks since have suffered a sore throat but nothing else.
However my 4 year old is now ill. So if the GP won’t see him to confirm if it is swine flu or not, what am I supposed to do?
When I said get back I mean get back to them on the phone.
Best wishes to Miss Fawkes, and to you Guido and Mrs Fawkes.
This is what happens when target obsessed government retards are allowed to run the national health system.
The NHS is no longer national anyway only covering parts of the United Kingdom.
Wishing you all the best dealing with these fuckwits Guido.
And a speedy recovery to your daughter.
hope all works out Guido. Swine flu is a lot more worrying when you have little ‘uns. My missus is pregnant too, so the aporcalypse joke is wearing thin.
‘aporcalypse’ if that’s not a slip of the finger I wish I’d thought of that as a name for the troughacaust.
Nice!
There is a low cost technology that could have stopped swine flu in its tracks but the government has shown no interest.
Some British scientists at Tri-Air Developments developed an air purifier, patented in 36 countries, which according to independent research can kill the viruses H1N1 Swine Flu and H5N1 Bird Flu within minutes in any room or other enclosed space. It is also effective against the MRSA ‘superbug’ and other airborne bacteria and viruses. So you would be unlikely to catch flu at work, on a tube, in a shop, if this had been adopted.
The technology is not a filtration process: the unit uniquely combines three different methods of decontamination to simulate the natural purification properties of fresh air, creating the cleansing hydroxyl radicals that occur outdoors. The technology ‘scrubs’ the air clean of airborne viruses and bacteria, and is also effective against those on surfaces – which would help protect against hospital acquired infections and shield offices, homes and public spaces from flu virus.
The technology has been tested by the UK’s Health Protection Agency for its ability to kill both airborne and surface bacteria and viruses, and was shown to be 99.999 per cent effective in killing an airborne test Staphylococcus of the same genus as MRSA in less than two minutes. It significantly reduces airborne spores similar to C. difficile in one hour.
Just like the alternatives to oil that never seem to quite make somehow.
I’ve got one of these.
http://www.daikin-air-purifiers.co.uk/
This product, if it really is that good, will never be taken up in the NHS or schools because its producers have not contributed to NuLiebor coffers.
Best wishes to little Miss Fawkes.
It has long been my belief that those who take up medicine are constitutionally unable to cope with organisation and with elementary arithmetic. Those who take up medical administration are good for nothing.
Your A & E Unit, one would have thought, with 100,000 new cases a day at worst projection, might have been organised with separate facilities to cope with the inevitable onslaught. One would have thought that they would not want suspected cases sitting with A & E patients for four hours unless 200,000 cases is the aim.
Your GP, one would have thought, would have advised his receptionist to take all suspect cases to the front of the queue, so as to ensure the rapid exit of suspected sufferers, bearing the needed prescription.
The Minister of Health, one would have thought, would have advised all concerned a fortnight ago as to how practitioners should manage in these well foreseen circumstances.
The NHS may not be what it once was, but here in Natal our service is indescribably worse. Our doctors and all other medical staff are on strike this week, and government has sacked the lot! No service at all might well save more than it kills.
Agreed! There are so many adminstrators and managers in the NHS you would think they would have got their fingers out by now. What the hell have they been doing since April?
Instead of crunching numbers, something more practical like organising seperate facilities or prioritising swine flu cases at doctors surgerys?
With you on this Guido, if my daughter had a temperature of 102.1, I wouldn’t hesitate to take her to A & E.
why do the Government give a running total,as i don’t know if people are aware,this total includes all the cases that have long since recovered.
This has a stink of engineered crisis to me.
I thought the Governmemt supposed to reassure the populous!
Lets take the worst case scenario they give.
say for arguments sake 1m cases every ten days,they also say about 1/3rd of the population with get the virus approx 20m.
As most people will get over it in 5-12 days,avergage about 10 days,then about 1m people or less than 2% of the population will have it at any one time,why all the hysteria?
constant war+ constant fear = total control
Spot on
We are handing tamiflu ’scipts out like candy, you should actually live in Westminster rather than blog about it and then you would be sorted.
Problem is the tamiflu is being dispensed centrally, from Victoria Station. It takes a mighty medical mind to send a whole load of people who have had close contact with an infections disease to the major terminus for all travel into and out of southern England.
Here in the West Midlands the Government have taken dogs abuse,as it seems they have been doing everything possible to not contain it.
Eh?
“Here in the West Midlands the Police are concentrating their resources on killing dogs in cars on hot sunny days.
It would appear that they and doing everything possible to not contain it. A spot of ‘displacement activity’”
?
Nope, it’s the East Midlands police that suffocate dogs to death. And then lay wreaths. Lovely. (All swear words and threats redacted.)
How does one not contain ‘dogs abuse’ . Is it allowed to run riot?
Sounds like a Prescot statement on …er, something.
I hope your daughter gets better soon. If you are unlucky enough to catch it go out and see your pal Michael White.
all the best with Miss Fawkes, having ill children is always scary anyway. Though I’m no expert it seems that the only problems are with people who have other serious health problems so touch wood that should hopefully be some comfort.
things like this does put things in perspective and shows us what is important. Anyway wish you and your family all the best.
I started with a nasty sore throat 2 weeks ago and by Tuesday morning had a high temperature , aching limbs and was feeling generally crap. Normally I wouldn’t bother the NHS with anything like this (mainly because they do sod all) but having watched state TV I was under the impression they were wanting to track H1N1 cases so thought I should report it.
First up NHS Direct online – Totally useless and designed for people with double digit IQs. The flu test seems to be really looking for heart attacks and meningitis. Having completed it the web page told me to phone them. I did this and for the next 15 minutes the phone monkey read out the web page survey I had just done online. At the end of it they asked if I had come into contact with any confirmed swine flu cases. I said no but how the hell would I know . Do they wear special hats or something ? Phone monkey appeared confused and didn’t know what to do so I suggested I speak to someone else. An hour later a nurse rang and again asked if I had come into contact with any known sufferers. As I hadn’t they weren’t prepared to do anything else including test me in anyway and they told me under no circumstances to go to my GP or the walk in clinic !
That night on the news I watched some idiot Minister say how outbreaks were being ring fenced and traced. Do they know they are lying or do civil servants lie to them ?
I was ill for a week and a half. The symptoms changed daily (although the high temperature and fatigue stayed constant) but I didn’t leave the house not wanting to pass it on to anyone else. A bit of a break from work for a healthy 33 year old but it would be different for a child or old person.
Well, this comments section has been an education. I am properly scared now – of having anything to do with the NHS if I catch H1N1.
Hope she gets better rapidly, Guido. Keep her away from Jonah.
Guido, a little something to cheer you and hopefully everyone else up…..
Prince Charles is visiting a Glasgow hospital. He enters a ward full of patients with no obvious sign of injury or illness and greets one.
The patient replies:
“Fair fa your honest sonsie face,
Great chieftain o the puddin race,
Aboon them a ye take yer place,
Painch, tripe or thairm,
As langs my airm.”
Charles is confused, so he just grins and moves on to the next patient. The patient responds:
“Some hae meat an canna eat,
And some wad eat that want it,
But we hae meat an we can eat,
So let the Lord be thankit.”
Even more confused, and his grin now rictus-like, the Prince moves on to the next patient, who immediately begins to chant:
“Wee sleekit, cowerin, timrous beasty,
O the panic in thy breasty,
Thou needna start awa sae hastie,
Wi bickering brattle.”
Now seriously troubled, Charles turns to the accompanying doctor and asks “Is this a psychiatric ward?”
“No,” replies the doctor, “this is the serious Burns unit.”
First degree Burns.
Great stuff! But i don’t think i’ll be trying to tell this one down the pub.
Thank you C.W.Rat. I’ve put that into my “Too Good To Lose” file.
A lot of people here seem to have got this way out of perspective. It’s the flu, for chrissake, no worse than the annual winter one. Panic ye not!
It’s not the flu. It’s a sad effort on Geedo’s part to make political capital out of his daughter’s misfortune. Wouldn’t surprise me if he made it all up, anyway.
That and a lot of creepy camp followers, and assorted Dear Abby’s famous chicken soup remedies…
Jennifers Ear..
You are, undoubtedly, a cunnttt
Jennifer’s ear. Do fuck off back to labour la-la land, eh?
The only ‘creepy camp followers’ on here are YOU, and a miniscule number of other delusional labour lickspittles, you odious excuse for a human being…
Why not simply piss off back to laboulost where you can sing the psychophantic praises of a failed government along with your fellow fuckwits?
PS. My sympathies to GF and family. hope all is well soon.
My goodness it took a long time to find you, Jennifer!
Now PLEASE come home, I need you , now!
What a truly horrible thing to say. I sincerely hope that nothing similar happens to you or yours. If it does you might then concede that Guido has reported events which happened in the real world.
Now piss off!
So tell me Jennifer’s Ear, are your medical qualifications like Dolly Drooper’s therapy qualifications i.e.non-existant? Thought so. I was going to say I hope you & yours never find yourselves in the same situation as the Fawkes family. however, on second thoughts – I won’t bother.
What bout normal flu that kills about 30k in the uk a year(according to the 2007 stats)?
Pig flu isn’t actually that bad, no worse than normal flu anyway.
Or pianos falling on ones’s head
They reckon the time to really worry will be about October as the epidemic in 1918/19 which killed about 40 million Worldwide started out as ’seasonal’ type flu in early Summer but then returned with a vengeance in a much more virulent form, lets hope history won’t repeat itself. Constant media reference to Swine flu at the moment as to fatalities ignores the fact that ‘ordinary’ flu kills thousands every year.
I bought my emergency prescription of Tamiflu online about two months ago, and glad I did as I am in Spain and getting Tamiflu here if we need it quickly could be a real problem. Spain was also affected early in the outbreak of Swineflu, so I suspect the levels of infection here are now probably similar.
The Tamiflu was fantastically expensive, but I am 99.9% sure it is genuine as I have used the same med site before. One slight drawback with buying Tamilflu is the sell by date is only six months.
I thought the NHS was well supplied with Tamiflu? I thought the idea was that someone could pick up a prescription for you and deliver it? Have all these plans already gone to pot, like everything else in Britain?
I hope the young Ms Fawkes recovers quickly, and you all remain well.
Bloody NHS. There should be a separate department at all A and Es for children, and they should be prioritised. Definitely shouldn’t have to spend 4 hours in a waiting room full of drunks and druggies and goodness knows who waiting to get medical attention. The only (please God) time I had to take my baby daughter to A and E they finally after about 3 hours saw her in a cubicle which was still blood spattered from the last patient! I couldn’t believe it! Mind you, my experience of maternity ward bathrooms wasn’t a lesson in hygiene either….
I hope she’ll be better soon Guido x
I bought my emergency prescription of Tamiflu online about two months ago, and glad I did as I am in Spain and getting Tamiflu here if we need it quickly could be a real problem. Spain was also affected early in the outbreak of Swineflu, so I suspect the levels of infection here are now probably similar.
The Tamiflu was fantastically expensive, but I am 99.9% sure it is genuine as I have used the same med site before. One slight drawback with buying Tamilflu is the sell by date is only six months.
I thought the NHS was well supplied with Tamiflu? I thought the idea was that someone could pick up a prescription for you and deliver it? Have all these plans already gone to pot, like everything else in Britain?
I hope the young Ms Fawkes recovers quickly, and you all remain well.
Yes the NHS has plenty of Tamiflu, you can get it easily if you follow the oft-repeated advice to ring GP or NHS Direct and follow advice given.
If that’s the case (use by date), what does that mean for Government stockpiles which they say they are hanging onto?, I smell the usual cockups.
Guido- very sorry to hear about your daughter, I hope she recovers very soon.
In the meantime, you could do us all a favour, please write to Gordon Bruin, write to Mandy and the entire cabinet office. Make sure by complete innocence and accident that your daughter sneezes and coughs all over the paper and post it.
Make sure in Balls letter, she really coughs and splutters, remember you are trying to infect two balls at once.
Then and only then can we say something good has come out of this sorry episode.
I bet this givernment could not even catch Swine Flu the Hoons.
I’m sure she’ll be fine Guido – paracetamol for the fever, lots of liquids, try to get her coughing out any congestion. Could be a blessing anyway – git them antibodies in ya.
Four kids here – every time they get ill your heart sinks. I feel for those whose kids really are ill – ill in the worst ways – but Guido, this’ll be a sniffle, I’m sure.
Oh and yeah, the NHS is shit, but then we all know that. Those of us who pay via our taxes, as opposed to the freeloaders, could buy a far better service with our money in the US; but we’re supposed to forget that. We’re supposed to be pleased that instead of getting topflight medical care, we get arrogant overpaid gobshites looking down their noses at us, and that we pay for streetscum too. Me, I’d prefer to look after my own…
Some folk are made for looking down on I guess.
What about those less fortunate than you who can’t excercise the choice you have, where do they fit in the US. The US would probably move to state system too if the corruption of their politicians was less – the phararma companies pump millions into lobbying to prevent universal healthcare progressing. Some choice pal for those who can’t afford it..
fuck em
Provided they don’t fuck you first.
I doubt they could.
Sorry, I’m just getting sick to death of being expected to care for every piece of flotsom and jetsom in the world. My town is becoming over-run with street drinkers and skagheads, all on DLA, all able to afford to drink all day and all night, seven days a week, and who flaunt their red faced smack addled bodies in my face every time I try to avoid their wretched forms as I walk down the street. We have a road, Sunderland St, runs from the railway station to the war memorial – has a dozen fast food places, a needle exchange, a few pubs, a few bookies, and the new super surgery – where every GP now resides in multimillion quid grandeur. This street has become scrote-heaven. There’s even a scrotel – bail hostel. Go down here at 8 on an evening, they’re outisde the pubs shouting and fighting, I was down there at 8 this morning, they were fighting in the war memorial gardens, cackling bright red females lounging on the grass cheering ‘em on, cider and lager and WKDs to hand… so like I say, fuck em.
Sure, this is one end of a spectrum, and in the middle are loads of people who don’t have much disposable income (hi!) but if you can afford to drive a car and insure that, you can afford health insurance – at US levels. Especially if tax went down to compensate for scrapping the NHS.
Sorry, wound up today – had to drop a form for a repeat prescritpion in, and suffered the usual glares and indolence from the GP staff, plus the scrotes outside…
Fuck em I say!
This Hoon will probably be standing as a Tory MP next election.
Bet he’s got a nice smiley poster too, and is looking foward to you paying for his houses.
No he won’t – look at his website. Typical NuLab two-way smear by association. Oh and Dr F, since you are a doctor, and I guess a real medical one rather than somebody with a PhD in medical history, can we have some constructive advice from you rather than continual sneering?
It seems the thing to do is to call your GP, explain the symptoms, and if he/she says it isn’t swine flu, bring the child into the GP surgery. If they say it is, ask them to leave a prescription for tamiflu, or better still, a course, at the surgery. A & E is never the place for children – it’s too full of drunken adolescents who have been beating each other up.
Who, me?
What?
Here’s wishing Miss Fawkes a speedy recovery, and hope that the rest of the family stay well. Very sorry to hear of her illness. Good luck.
I say again i would like to see a total of people that still have it,if you didn’t want to cause panic and take people mind off thing s like say ‘a recession’ wouldn’t you do that.
Why are they not putting people on TV who have had it & are now fine,instead of still counting them as swine flu cases.
Also Brown had his best poll ratings to date after taking over,as he often mentions how he handles a crisis’Scottish terrorist’ attack.
I am not saying its a conspiracy to make it out to be a disaster,i am just saying he may have a vested interest in it being portrayed as so.Especially if due to swift Government action it turns out to be less severe(spin).
How come other less developed countires are not warning of this inpending disaster?
That would be like Alf Garnett repeating the fact that England won the World Cup in 1966 under a Tory Government (wipes tear from eye, Bobby wiv the cup in is ands), so yes Gordon will take the credit after all he is the Saviour of the World, and if it goes bad: It all started in Mexico!
May i add my thoughts for Mrs Fawkes,i myself have underlying health problems,disabled and due to that have low immune system.
I don’t trust brown & Mandy over this one bit though.
It just so happens if you take the 100k cases a day from August,that means they could cancel the general election in May/June,for health securtity reasons,i wouldn’t trust this shower of shit not to try such a trick.
Pray, what are securtity reasons?
I think it means all feminists, social workers, social and general studies teachers and those who do wear bras but have knockers so big they might take your eye out if swung in anger will have to remain under close supervision prior to the next general election.
God , I really need to find a job wtf am I doing – perhaps I’ll become an English teacher.
What happened to the flu leaflet? Didn’t you read it?
AJC
Why don’t they do something constructive for a change and send a box of tissues.
No, I’d just finished a long evening catching up on junk mail, and after I’d studied the seventy fifth leaflet on the latest exciting new Turkish kebab shop to open where there used to be grocer’s shop – I thought fuck it, bring thhe swine flu.
This Virus was created by Troughers Troughing spreading diseases through
their snotty noses.
I blame Jackboot,Ginger Minger and La Caravanette.
They have all left the Killing Fields and are recovering nicely.
From the “containment” phase, to the “treatment” phase, and on to the “do nothing” phase, all in 24 hours.
Must be some sort of record, even for this government of the idiots.
What next, the “make everyone get it” phase?
Great to hear another great NHS experience ! nobody has the bottle to treat your little girl ! it should be shut down and privatised ! The government ordered 90,000,000 doses of vaccine ! for a population of 60,000,000 math’s must have been done by the fee’s office ! how they going to administer it ? on the carpark with a 20ft cattle prod ? pathdic winkers !
It is being privatised – and you haven’t been asked, and when it is gone your taxes won’t come down and you’ll still have to find the money to receive treatment at the same hospital you’ve already paid for – won’t that be nice.
Fantastic !
Maths does not seem to be a dtrong point with anyone in the present government.
Sincere best wishes for Miss Fawkes getting well soon
Well it’s now been announced that a 19 year old has died of swine flu in an unidentified part of South London. My own Miss Bardirect attends a school in the City where there are cases of “summer flu” and enquiries about the diagnosis have been particularly ambiguous, and she has been coughing and spluttering all week, yet, this killer flu is now so “mild” they are not proposing to give out the anti-virals in case it breeds resistance.
Having allegedly hoarded the stuff (kindly purchased from a Labour donor remember) it will be chucked away as its nearing is use by date anyway.
Sounds like a Terry Nation story ….Survivors.
Go to the hospital and tell them you’re a pikey.
You’ll go straight to the head of the queue.
Better still, if you’re a pikey you can just nick what you need.
I know a NHS worker in the Midlands.
She was told we are not going to take numbers of recovered swine flu victimes,as the average person is not expert enough to understand if they are still infected.
Therefore we will count all flu cases as on-going.
Now i don’t konw about you but that is very fishy to me,the average person cannot say if they have recovered from flu?
I think even my demented and shrinking brain can cope with the concept of ‘having flu’ versus ‘no longer having flu’ and I think the lowest forms of pond life could too.
Flu pandemic? Great excuse for lockdowns, curfews, ‘delayed’ elections, CCA etc It’s Gordon’s wet dream come true.
Tough on health, tough on the causes of health
Guido this is going to become a common story, the NHS knows it cannot cope with the sheer number of people becoming infected, not enough anti-viral drugs have been ordered (they are stockpiling them for winter in case the virus mutates, in the way it did in 1908 and starts killing serious amounts of people) and in the meantime the NHS has now been given cart-blanch to tell everyone to stay at home, regardless of how sick they are, because the symptoms – in most people – are “mild.”
But you can bet your bottom dollar that among the first in the queue of “essential workers” to get the flu vaccine will be – yes you guesses it – politicians. Well, they work with the public don’t they? Can’t have them going down with flu can we? Poor lambs.
Bet they won’t go short of tamiflu either….
Government (ie those elected to make these decisions) failure to make sure the pandemic is managed is not because they can’t; not even because their control machinery tends to be directed at the inmates (that’s us, “integrated” Britain) but because doing so isn’t on their radar.
To find out what’s on their radar I guess we should tune in to Blears et al and listen to them “trying harder to get their message across”. If it sounds unappetising, it is. Chin up, Guido. You know you give us strength.
No he won’t – look at his website. Typical NuLab two-way smear by association. Oh and Dr F, since you are a doctor, and I guess a real medical one rather than somebody with a PhD in medical history, can we have some constructive advice from you rather than continual sneering?
Just shows you that this hasn’t been thought through properly.
Oh yes there will have been away days, weekend conferences, meetings etc etc
But they have made a whole series of basic errors from the start. Unfortunately is the standard you expect from government – especially this one.
Mistakes include:
1) A failure to quarantine those returning from Mexico. ( Could have bought an extra month or two with that – long enough for the vaccine to be ready).
2) Issuing advice documentation without expiry dates on it in the early phases. ( Basic error – just saying its on the web site does mean no one printed it off stuck it on their wall and worked of it for a week ).
3) Confusion about drug supply chain. New untested distribution chain, that GPs were unfamiliar with, and couldn’t get to work initially (why not create a 100% new supply chain to play with to run first time in a potential national emergency), and brought those in close contact with cases into the centre of London (well done ).
4) A refusal to admit that swine flu is infectious 1 day *before* symptoms ( see US CDC for details ). Hence the self quarantine on symptoms plan was always flawed.
5) Clearly not enough face masks or anti virals ordered. Imagine saying your prepared but then discovering you don’t have enough face masks.
6) Someone let Brown order vast qualities of the drug that may soon be ineffective ( Danish and Japanese cases of resistant H1N1 ), when he should have hedged his, and our, bets. ( But that wouldn’t have sounded so good would it ).
7) The flu helpline – which the whole plan to deal with a mass national outbreak needs isn’t ready.
Sorry for breaking you comment guidelines – none of this is entertaining. I have no doubt that those trying to manage this are sincere and working hard – they just haven’t got on top of it fast enough.
Hope Miss Fawkes is better soon.
Sorry response to 285 above – got modded for using G*D in address.
In the USA they were believd to have some 1m cases as of last week,although they don’t give a running count to scare the pants off people,and hey presto its not really even getting news coverage.
I% of the population would be some 620,000 people.
At present we have some 6,000 cases i believe.
If the Governments figs were true,taking the amount of time the average person takes to recover even if 1m people every ten days were infected,less than 2% of the popluation would have it at any one time,from infection to recovery,as at present we have 1% of 1% of the population infected i find it strange all the hysteria encouraged by the Government.
General Election due.
Labour must be SEEN to be doing something.
So what if it wasted money? The proles can pay for it.
And if they lose? Blame the Tories.
I’m sorry, Guido, both for your daughters predicament, but also because you actually seem to think you are going to get any satisfaction out of the National Health Service.
Surely nobody on here actually uses the NHS?
Christ, anything the Government (of any party) touches fails. Surely history has taught that?
Same goes for any of you who send your children to government schools. Forget it, apart from what they teach, look who they have to rub shoulders with nowadays. I am not refering to the hygene of immigrants, they are as clean, on the whole, if not cleaner than some Brits. I am referring to their lack of English, and the fact your children have to study at their pace until their English catches up. That has to put government school children at least two years behind private schools?
39C and you go to A&E? Are you fucking kidding me?
In the UK we are a bunch of drama queens,remember foot & mouth,burning cows in massive pires,all over the country.
According to the WHO,there are known 77,000 cases in the world (26/4 to 1/7) This is some way off the 100,000 per day being put forward as a possibility. Did Gordon do the sums?
This sounds like a joke, but I know it’s not. This is the british system.
Guido,
It would help if you had read any of the advice regarding swine flu. You are not supposed to go your GP if you suspect you have swine flu as they do not want you spreading the disease to other sick people. You need to phone your GP and if they think you have swine flu you will be prescribed Tamiflu which someone can pick up for you. If you can’t get hold of your GP you can contact NHS Direct (0845 46 47) or the Swine Flu Information Line on 0800 1513 513.
Yes but what is on the leaflets is fiction. No one around here can get Tamiflu unless they know someone who is confirmed to have H1N1. But as they don’t test for it no one is a confirmed case. At one of my employers other sites 10 people are now sick with a flu like bug but none of them have been given Tamiflu since no one is confirmed.
You have to admire the logic.
British system ah fuck off… If he had followed the government issued details on what to do he would have been treated by now. There is no way a sane person would take a suspected swine flu case into hospital or a surgery jesus fucking christ. They issued enough advice on this on line on TV on radio. Thanks to dolts like you it’s spread. We had a kid with swine flu diagnosed here in London over the phone immediately and picked up a prescription the next morning. You call NHS Direct (0845 46 47) or the Swine Flu Info Line on 0800 1513 513 retards!
Hope she is OK, poor mite!
We couldn’t get any help over the weekend. And there is at least a 4 hour delay on getting a call back from NHS Direct.
The reality of Labours Britain.
Now I’m not a Conspiracy theorist but………
Guido is the No. 1 pain in the arse to Labour.
Labour have all of Guido’s family on a database.
To eradicate Guido, they send him from place to place, the systems flagging up ‘Denial of Service-Enemy of the People’ constantly refusing treatment like the forced march in ‘A Town Called Alice’.
They would do it you know.They are marxist bastards!
My brother has it. But he did the sensible thing and stayed in bed and phoned his GP and described the symptoms – a friend brought round the tamiflu (rather, posted it through the front door).
Guido decides to traipse his ill offspring around London (and to a hospital, where there are vulnerable people) and spread the infection around a lot. That has put a lot of people at risk, while making an ill child feel iller (my brother tells me that you basically do not feel like leaving your bed for several days). What did you think you would achieve?
So far the only people that have died of swine flu are people with other (usually serious) conditions – like the people in the hospital that Guido insisted on visiting. I hope Miss Fawkes recovers – swine flu is a mild version of flu so there is every chance that she will do. But really, you have put lives at risk by your unnecessary “concerned parent” behaviour. Next time follow the advice of the experts and stay at home!
I don’t blame any parent for taking a sick child to hospital – you just want someone to help you and you are fearful of what it might be.
On the Mumsnet site there are some discussion threads about parents who have been through similar experiences which may be helpful to you and Mrs F.
It could also be something like a severe ear infection if no one else in the family is ill.
I had to take my daughter to the doctor today with an infected toe.. The GB said it was nice to get something different to talk about apart from Swine flu.. There was big sign on the door to the surgery saying ‘Do not enter if you have any flu symptoms’
What the GP did say which was interesting was that they have stopped giving out Tamiflu to the majority of people.. Only people with health problems or elderly people now qualifies for Tamiflu. So why are they saying there is enough Tamiflu for everybody, yet it is being restricted now?
A. Perfesser says:
“H Shipman, you’re not thinking this through. Limited resources need to be carefully allocated, as my colleague Dr Feelgood points out. Your response is just stupid…”
For a very long time now it has been very difficult to get onto a medical degree. Perfectly capable people have been turned away in their droves. It’s even worse for dentists.
Why are these resources so artificially limited? I only ask because I want to know….
24 hours to save the NHS?
The NHS is safe in our hands?
Nu Labour previous propoganda
Bwahahahahahahahaha
but the people fell for it and Nu Labour have already started on the ‘ Tories are cutting front line services and 10% cut malarkey’
The people will believe it again because the people are fucking stupid!
Better soon I hope.
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